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wilbns: BingoBoingo, yes, noticed that too - until someone from another religion flies a plane into a building.
wilbns: mircea_popescu: ok
BingoBoingo: wilbns: Like Joe Stack?
BingoBoingo: Joe Stack seems under appreciated in Dex-Kensaw
BingoBoingo: Given local political rhetoric
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18660 @ 0.00072755 = 13.5761 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: bried survey of dex-kensaw also suggests many local with farms due to the substantial median size of holding possess "air tractor" which could be loaded with kerosene instead of monsanto for Joe Stack++
BingoBoingo: *brief
BingoBoingo: But perhaps General Quantrill should have burned Little Rock as he did Lawrence Levo-Kensaw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00072755 = 3.2303 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Bread Tripe!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00074027 = 6.2923 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19265 @ 0.00072892 = 14.0426 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27385 @ 0.00071888 = 19.6865 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hey, which anglo nut made a 50 copy edition of his crappy poetry and jacked off on the lot ? was it burroughs ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00074111 = 20.6029 BTC [+] {3}
ag3nt_zer0: nothing quite like curling up with a nice bowl of fresh buttery popcorn, a blankey, and I Am Cait Ep. 3... should be a community event though, like a trip to the traveling wagon freak show - alas, my fellow americans seemed to have lost their ability to be astonished along with their sense of humor... I happily gaze at the four horsethingys (or is it taped?) baphomet myself...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3620 @ 0.00073753 = 2.6699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20875 @ 0.00073744 = 15.3941 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 03:10:43; BingoBoingo: Given 2015 so far Hearnia must have planned to actually release XTCoin the first weekend of September. He ended up jumping the gun because USG pinoy spamzors. We won.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241810 << in the sense you're originally from ru, i gather.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 03:10:37; asciilifeform: mats is originally from cn ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241816 << vice-versa, actually. the online fiat is dead, but its value as irl tokens remains. dollars are useful exactly like monopoly money and casino chips are useful,
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 03:11:33; wilbns: it seems fiat currencies will continue to exist for many generations to come, perhaps actual paper form will deminish, but an electronic register or display of some number of dollars for whoever the viewer is, will carry with it some semblance of wealth
mircea_popescu: and it's how they'll remain in use.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3604 @ 0.00073753 = 2.6581 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00073044 = 17.2019 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00072295 = 13.3384 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23433 @ 0.00071954 = 16.861 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00071569 = 13.2403 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6268 @ 0.00070343 = 4.4091 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:50:22; BingoBoingo: In other news one interview for one job today seemed to go meh, the other job's interview seemed to go well. Hoping I can get that regular fiat income to start standing up srs noedz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00069854 = 10.3035 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00072009 = 2.8444 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15709 @ 0.00071166 = 11.1795 BTC [-]
assbot: Watch: Colorblind Man Sees Colors of a Sunset for the First Time | Complex UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2ByVM )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.0007278 = 16.5211 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Records: California plans taking land for huge water tunnels - San Jose Mercury News ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2CbyK )
punkman: "Under the plan, landowners would have 30 days to consider and negotiate a one-time state offer, while officials simultaneously prepare to take the land by forced sale if owners declined to sell. "Negotiations to continue in parallel with eminent domain proceedings," the plan notes."
mircea_popescu: no really alternative to that.
mircea_popescu: "you can either sell it at prevailing market values, or we'll take it at prevailing market values".
punkman: and nobody will use all those spiffy guns they like to polish and fondle
mircea_popescu: you know, opposing eminent domain for stuff like this is a little nutty.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00073619 = 32.466 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: what, train's gonna go around old man joe's property forever more because 180 years ago there lived a curmudgeon ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's one thing when they were simply stealing property to give to others who they figured "would pay more tax". that's fungible. but this isn't - train gotta go straight.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241289 <<< numbers going up doesn't mean too much, it's like kids who run away from home in the afternoon but are back by dinner time
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 21:59:27; wyrdmantis: http://xtnodes.com/ <--- a fucking war starting over?
punkman: this is not a train though
chetty: well knowing cali they are probably picking routes thru the best crop land, and offering a penny an acre
punkman: "Say what you will about the internet in 2015 but at least it helped everyone realize that everything we think and feel is wrong and dumb" https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/633500936208449536
chetty: or, haha, the routes go thru the 'red' areas on the map
mircea_popescu: punkman water pipe ? how not ?
mircea_popescu: "everyone" is never realising that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20726 @ 0.00073753 = 15.286 BTC [+]
punkman: so just let them destroy productive farms and dry out the delta, so they can water some piece of desert down south?
mircea_popescu: chetty actually there have been "unjust enrichment" suits against states/townships on stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: punkman that's an entirely different argument tho. i have nfi what they're doing / dun care so much, but anyway. the fiat consensus is and has been, for the past ~800 years, that you can't oppose land ownership to road development.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241426 <<< maybe this is discussed later on in the logs, but i read this on cointelegraph, not virtual mining news - http://cointelegraph.com/news/115136/nick-szabo-block-size-increase-a-huge-security-risk
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 23:41:30; pete_dushenski: 'virtual mining' blog. same kids who pitted me against roger ver a week or two back.
assbot: Nick Szabo: Block Size Increase a ‘Huge Security Risk’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZi43v )
punkman: mircea_popescu: around here they can and do oppose, but everything is lilliputian-scale compared to California
assbot: Mystery surrounds Tianjin blasts warehouse - China.org.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZj6MJ )
punkman: "According to business registration information, Ruihai's two largest shareholders are Li Liang and Shu Zheng, who hold 55 percent and 45 percent of the company's shares respectively. But as of Sunday, Li remained missing, while Shu told the media that he was only a grassroots public servant, and he lent his identity card to a friend when Ruihai was registered."
punkman: identity loan - my sides
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00073262 = 14.2861 BTC [-]
shinohai: hanbot: liked the build notes writeup. Almost made me want to install it on Ubuntu.
shinohai: almost.
mircea_popescu: lol shu got scammed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36786 @ 0.00073755 = 27.1315 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ahaha that pete pic!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00072871 = 22.7358 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: Respite from my fear of dying?
shinohai: Wow.
shinohai: *terror of dying
punkman: you'll get invited to the best parties!
shinohai: Pffft ... #bitcoin-assets *is* the best party
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29203 @ 0.00073862 = 21.5699 BTC [+] {6}
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241741 <<< fuck i hate that guy, has no shame at all
shinohai: #worldelephantday
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mircea_popescu: andy w lol
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16120 @ 0.00071743 = 11.565 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00073274 = 16.1936 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00070722 = 9.5475 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Meet the woman taking on Reddit's racists ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2NSFJ )
shinohai: ^ next she should go take on 4chan racists
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00069854 = 7.8586 BTC [-]
jurov: and then on #b-a chauvinists :DDDD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00069766 = 10.3951 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "because it sounds like something he might have said."
mircea_popescu: no, it doesn't. it sounds about as much like voltaire as any other bit of usian drivel.
mircea_popescu: maybe they should petition voltaire's sponsors too. until he becomes the "hip", "cool" figure they want him to be or something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00069598 = 19.6614 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: da fuck is wrong with these schmucks, anyway. "herpitty-derp, i wish to push a widely unpopular, nutty agenda. obviously the best way to do this is to ask people interested in selling more to side with me. because logically if those racist white supremacists actually boycott walmart until it puts the lot of us in a concentration camp, walmart totally won't. because hurr."
punkman: "if the spend amount has a lot of trailing zeros, eg, 2.34000000 BTC, then have change outputs that also have the same amount of trailing zeros. Otherwise, it's obvious which one is the spend." << anyone can explain this?
mircea_popescu: yeah. "don't spend integer btc"
mircea_popescu: (which is why shithead services like coinbase don't even implement the whole 8 digits. their 2010ish understanding of "de-anonymization technicues."
jurov: punkman where is that from? some idiotic service that reinvented numbers processing again?
assbot: Improve change amount privacy · Issue #6569 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTEajS )
jurov: oh i think i get it
punkman: isn't it all in integer satoshis?
punkman: I dun get it
mircea_popescu: dude. if you have a 8.5465466 input and you spend 2.34 out of it, your outputs will look like 2.34000000 anbd 6.116574567
mircea_popescu: making itobvious which is the change.
jurov: if you send payment rounded to N places, the change should be also rounded to N places (and rest to fees, presumably)
kakobrekla: its not like you cant split that full int further down yourself.
kakobrekla presumes people here do their own ass wiping
punkman: nope
kakobrekla: hammer is retarded only if you hit yourself on the head. must use nails.
punkman: hammer can't be retarded
kakobrekla: there you go
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: anyway, a tool can be retarded, its the very definition of it ; "you are a such a tool". see?
chetty: isn't a tool something that is used? So its the user that would be retarded, no?
jurov: i think it was meant that way, "someone is using you".. which is something else than "you're retard"
jurov: but hey this is internet, we need no fkn nuances :)
kakobrekla: chetty no matter WHO uses windows ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16204 @ 0.00069383 = 11.2428 BTC [-]
jurov: you know it's not true
jurov: many ppl using windows are not retards, just completely unaware there's a better way to use a computer
kakobrekla: not at all what im saying but anyway
kakobrekla: if ascii logs on to win machine, win machine still sucks!
jurov: and what were you saying?
kakobrekla: that.
chetty: haha, I suppose there are tools with no redeeming value
assbot: 8chan back after Google ban of domain for child abuse imagery | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTG6sE )
funkenstein_: fight the symptoms, not the disease
funkenstein_: a lot of old cars overheat, they should make a law against temperature sensors which display in the dashboard
funkenstein_: kill the messenger. new technology, same broken psychology
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00071463 = 31.0149 BTC [+] {3}
funkenstein_: "As -The Virginian- established the cowboy in our literary culture, so did Hernandez' -Martin Fierro- become the archetype of the gaucho, the independent man of the pampas.
funkenstein_: Fiercely individual, distrustful of the corruption of the cities and the law, following his own code of honor, he is in the great tradition of the romantic figure"
funkenstein_: Time to finally crack this thing open :)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00074025 = 32.608 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00071912 = 21.4298 BTC [-]
punkman: shinohai: lol'd at the televangelists asking for donations to buy a jet
punkman: or that guy saying donate $1000 and god will wipe out your credit card debt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00074045 = 9.5518 BTC [+]
assbot: Jilted woman gets revenge on cheating boyfriend by setting his crotch on fire | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1hKrFC8 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11301 @ 0.00071855 = 8.1203 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00071502 = 13.5139 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00073296 = 19.7533 BTC [+]
assbot: NSA Suite B Cryptography - NSA/CSS ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW1D90 )
BingoBoingo: Ah, apologies
shinohai: BingoBoingo: are those bsd instructions of yours still valid ?
BingoBoingo: which ones
BingoBoingo: They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it
assbot: How to send email as satoshi@vistomail.com : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiObPh )
asciilifeform: (spoiler: doesn't work)
assbot: CoinWallet says Bitcoin stress test in September will create 30-day backlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiOfhZ )
asciilifeform: '"We feel that our tests might prove to be the catalyst that propels the core devs and miners to implement the required hard fork that is desperately needed," Coinwallet told BitBeat.'
punkman: "The previous CoinWallet test only achieved about 15% of its output because its servers crashed."
assbot: Coinwallet.co - Supported Currencies & Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhtS1G )
punkman: they take 0.5% fee per tx, lel
funkenstein_: So if I hit you, and you don't fall down, that means you aren't very tough.
asciilifeform: nah but you 'get points for trying' if you break your fists. somehow. in the bizarre usg twerp view of the world.
funkenstein_: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00073296 = 3.9946 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Not connected to a single XT node at the moment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00073615 = 7.0302 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: No XTCoin Support Committed to the Blockchain Yet | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiR5n1 )
assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhwQmU )
Naphex: BingoBoingo: amazon seems to be supporting it hard lol
BingoBoingo: Naphex: You know the pseudonode thing runs well in an AWS micro
Naphex: BingoBoingo: hehe as if it isn't obvious enough ~240 nodes same time deployment since 17 aug
BingoBoingo: Of course
Naphex: 400ms latency
Naphex: what a joke
BingoBoingo: Serioulsy I can't even
BingoBoingo: Might as well start running pseudo nodes over a Nigerian satellite connection
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166821 @ 0.00069397 = 115.7688 BTC [-] {7}
Naphex: well i guess it's time to ip block all XT nodes
Naphex: take that hearn, ha! ;]
BingoBoingo: Or the ones on the AWS ip space
Naphex: BingoBoingo: that's pretty much all of them https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=70010
assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiUSkp )
BingoBoingo: Seems rather simple then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5153 @ 0.00071577 = 3.6884 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241990 << twas not discussed because i at least was not aware of this.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 08:41:32; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241426 <<< maybe this is discussed later on in the logs, but i read this on cointelegraph, not virtual mining news - http://cointelegraph.com/news/115136/nick-szabo-block-size-increase-a-huge-security-risk
pete_dushenski: 'virtual mining news' doesn't look like anything other than a scam, and it turns out it is !
pete_dushenski: well then, tip o' the cap to joseph young, the real author
pete_dushenski: though why the piece of shit cointelegraph wordpress implementation never sent me a pingback, while 'virtual mining' did, is another story
pete_dushenski: yet also the reason for the confusion.
pete_dushenski: oh internet, will i ever understand you ?
pete_dushenski: speaking of which...
assbot: Asking your friend to bang your prospective wife, and other silly ideas. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAh2GW )
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell williamdunne ^ this was posted last night, and scoopbot_revived didn't see it.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242003 << someone was quick on their feet. i had this up as a header for maaaybe a few days. really more like a day or two.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 09:01:50; mircea_popescu: ahaha that pete pic!
pete_dushenski: cazalla: but good work on finding that original article !
pete_dushenski: now i know where the banana troll is from.
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAhvc8 )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241734 << yeah, employed by people like me to do various tasks in the world of Eulora, because that's what has a future; not "social media"
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 02:55:17; wilbns: mats: people will be employed to execute roles in cyberspace. telecommuting and working from home is the first step.
pete_dushenski: lol i kinda like imagining danielpbarron with an army of click slaves.
pete_dushenski: *mush heathens MUSH*
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: you ever read "Ready Player 1"? Eulora will probably be that.
pete_dushenski: "Gavin has done more for bitcoin in a few years than you could do in a life time. 2003 128mb in my phone, 2006 1Gb on my phone. 2010 32gb on my phone, 2015, 64 gb on my phone. And your telling me raising the block size limit from 1 to 20 mb is an issue?"
pete_dushenski: usgavin is a flash memory developer now !
pete_dushenski: ^from comments on ~original~ cointelegraph pete v. ver article
chetty: isnt bigger always better? /kidding
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14794 @ 0.00069859 = 10.3349 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: chetty: domains, my dear, only in certain domains
assbot: Internet Mainframes Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhhulK )
lobbes: ;;later tell asciilifeform regarding lobbesbot; I am going to try 'upgrading' my bot to a more recent fork. According to #supybot, there was a rewrite of the RSS plugin that *should* address that issue of ratcheting back
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: In Realtime: Saving 25,000 Manuals « ASCII by Jason Scott ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAoSjX )
punkman: lobbes, are you using limnoria?
lobbes: nope, still using supybot ;/
lobbes: going to try and move to limnoria, maybe tonight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64250 @ 0.00069231 = 44.4809 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00074045 = 11.1808 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30797 @ 0.00074045 = 22.8036 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: let's try out this orderbook dealio
pete_dushenski: ;;sell 1 Apple Cinema Display 30" at "450 / {bitstamplast}" BTC. Aluminum (A1083) M9179LL/A, 2560x1600, dual-link DVI, dual-firewire, dual-usb ports, power supply, power cable, mint condition. Buyer pays shipping from Canada.
gribble: Error: 'Cinema' is not a valid price input.
pete_dushenski goes to derp with gribble in private
assbot: #bitcoin-otc order id 22434 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfghEn )
pete_dushenski: 'tevye' now at 343,600
pete_dushenski: "if you call the library's IOServiceOpen function with an invalid owningTask parameter, a kernel-level IOUserClient will be passed a NULL pointer for the calling task. This pointer makes its way through more of the OS and is used to locate a variable in memory where a bit is set. By controlling the page of memory at address zero, an attacker can direct where these bits are set, and thus manipulate the kernel's m
pete_dushenski: emory, and eventually seize control of execution with full kernel-level privileges." << affecting mac osx 10.9 and 10.10
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00073255 = 8.3511 BTC [-]
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0YODY )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16608 @ 0.00074045 = 12.2974 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8261 @ 0.00074188 = 6.1287 BTC [+]
assbot: China's deserted amusement parks – in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1E10361 )
assbot: Explicit cookie consent | The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0KUjV )
punkman: loltitle
assbot: CoinWallet says Bitcoin stress test in September will create 30-day backlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiOfhZ )
pete_dushenski: btcdrak: tis in the logs
pete_dushenski: punkman: lulz. also : perri-air !
punkman: assbot should reply "ooooooold" when that happens
pete_dushenski: !s perri-air
assbot: 2 results for 'perri-air' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=perri-air
assbot: "Share The Air" Presentation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0LspT )
pete_dushenski: jesus christ on a cross that girl is, what, 15 going on 5
kakobrekla: stress network meh, thanks for derping in the history of everything forever and no way they heard of testnet.
pete_dushenski: "like, like, negative energy, like, like, scribble doodle, like, like, air."
pete_dushenski: testnut.
punkman: girl's an actress, she was pretty good if you ask me
pete_dushenski: pretty good at what ?
punkman: at the acting
pete_dushenski: girl's a comedian !
kakobrekla: anyway, from 'coinwallet's behavior we can conclude that tx fees are waaaaay to low on 'main'net.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: kakobrekla: no shit!
pete_dushenski: how many users at coinwallet ? 100 ?
ascii_field: then again, ~threatening~ to spam is... free
trinque: bwahaha I just went on a tirade in #gentoo-hardened about "30-day backlog"
kakobrekla: really it prolly should be more expensive than _ANY_ other way of paying.
trinque finishes his coffee
ascii_field: kakobrekla: idk, dropping bullion from a nuke bomber with fighter escort, flying through five usg vassal states, probably ought to cost more
chetty: <ascii_field> kakobrekla: idk, dropping bullion from a nuke bomber with fighter escort, flying through five usg vassal states, probably ought to cost more// isnt that the same thing?
trinque: I thought it was a nuclear blimp
ascii_field: dirigible, damnit
trinque: haha my mistake
assbot: Scaling Bitcoin Workshop ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0P5Mw )
pete_dushenski: !s robert tilton
assbot: 0 results for 'robert tilton' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert+tilton
pete_dushenski: robert tilton really is doing "god's work". dude scammed john oliver out of $319 over a period of 7 months.
pete_dushenski: of course, this was just oliver doing "research" but still lulzy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg
assbot: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Televangelists (HBO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0QiU9 )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20839 @ 0.00073172 = 15.2483 BTC [-]
assbot: Chinese Man Live feat. Tumi - Get Up (Live Content) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0XK1x )
punkman: get up, get out, you lazy lout // get into your working clothes // up to your knees in oil and grease // and a grindstone to your nose
assbot: Folk & Traditional Song Lyrics - Lazy Lout ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0Y1S5 )
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mircea_popescu: lmao all the fucktarded jokes. "who makes the byline of a crypto book start with the workd unlocking?" "o'reilly executives"
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: recently, for lulz, i collected warez scans of every published book i could find with 'bitcoin' in the title
ascii_field: the least retarded was the one by wiley financial press
ascii_field: (it was still pretty heavy on the retardation, but not an outright maculature)
mircea_popescu: i heard the same thing.
ascii_field: contained, for instance, a mostly-accurate description of blockchain mechanics
ascii_field: (but equally long bloviations re: crackpot altcoins)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242062 << you are such a tool means that you don't act of your own retardation. this is the worst insult known to usian.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 11:41:25; kakobrekla: anyway, a tool can be retarded, its the very definition of it ; "you are a such a tool". see?
mircea_popescu: better, you see, eat soap wrapped in my own country's flag than cheese in a plain white rapper.
ascii_field: p4tr10t!!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242070 << yeah, and many people derping around "pua" conferences aren't retarded, just unaware there's better ways to relate to women.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 11:47:11; jurov: many ppl using windows are not retards, just completely unaware there's a better way to use a computer
mircea_popescu: this'd be the definition of retarded neh ?
mike_c: "However, it will make it prohibitively expensive," << a quarter of a penny is prohibitively expensive?
mircea_popescu: well... the government of the us is paying them to derp on reddit. why is the government of bitcoin not paying them to use bitcoin ?
ascii_field: mike_c: for 'beoble', and for sp4mz0rz who want to take shits of infinite tonnage into our collective mouths for free - yes.
punkman: mike_c, well if you only have 2 pennies
trinque does his best anal-child squeal of frustration for mike_c
mircea_popescu: clearly bitcoin government is bad and they should hold a vote.
mircea_popescu: there's all this money here. let's democratic it.
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, the money got here specifically because undemocratic"
mike_c: punkman: hehe, yeah. I will cry for their inability to push their dust around.
mircea_popescu: "yeah... like everywhere else ? the us got rich by being a republic, not by being a democracy. the soviets got rich under tyranny and then the demobureau fucked it up"
mircea_popescu: anyway, to the expensive topic : it is an inconvenient but nevertheless incontrovertible fact that the price point for bitcoin tx is VASTLY above the pricepoint for "visa tx" or "bank tx".
mike_c: "The fact that the XT fork hasn't occurred yet is ridiculous," CoinWallet said. << I do so love the tears of rage and frustration.
mircea_popescu: the reason is that bitcoin tx offers some specific services neither visa nor wire offer.
mircea_popescu: so, no, the price of steak is not going to be considered by comparison to "price of food" defined as "mcshitty menu".
mircea_popescu: because steak isn't that. and so... $5k a transaction is no big deal. if you don't care to have your shit verified by the entire world, go send a wire, at $500 or w/e it will be by then
ascii_field: (laugh, but cost for smallish wires to, e.g., ru from usa, is typically 100%)
punkman: I'll just send you the priv keys, "you move it"
mircea_popescu: nah, see, it'll still be dust, 0.001 btc or w/e.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242269 ofc, since we are innately biologically driven towards computers, like we are to women
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 18:29:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242070 << yeah, and many people derping around "pua" conferences aren't retarded, just unaware there's better ways to relate to women.
mircea_popescu: most of the regularization of the tx price of bitcoin will be done by usd being forced to devaluate in comparison
mircea_popescu: not by straight and nominal price increase.
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, we are.
mircea_popescu: male curiosity is exactly equal to male sex drive.
punkman: well I'd certainly not pay 0.5btc to move 2btc
mircea_popescu: which is why so many dudes on computers.
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mircea_popescu: punkman there are good (and mathematical provable) reasons for which tx fees will never in average exceed ~0.001
btcdrak: mircea_popescu do you know the guys at quedex.net?
mircea_popescu: !s quedex
assbot: 7 results for 'quedex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=quedex
jurov: and why all people we hold in high esteem, know how to use women right.. right?
mircea_popescu: iirc some guy here was doing some pro bono work for the,
btcdrak: I'm on a google hangout with them right now, just checking.
mircea_popescu: jurov "use" is not really the word there, and plenty of people we did or do hold in high esteem don't know how to use computers, or got a war wound.
mircea_popescu: you can't argue anecdote to statistics.
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jurov: and statistics are? all people with iq > 120 use lisp?
mircea_popescu: "this guy looks like his next door neighbour rather than his father ergo inheritance is wrong"
jurov: and live in happy marriage or polyamory or whatever?
ascii_field: some people use pointed stick and live in an igloo.
mircea_popescu: no. the statistics are that young males spend more time with computers than with women.
ascii_field: with walrus.
jurov: and how from tit all follows that windows users ===== derps?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: computers are less annoying than most women these men would say.
kakobrekla: how do you know the sex of my machine?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sex dun matter. the entire thing was "male curiosity is the same thing that makes the male sex drive".
danielpbarron gives his computers girl names
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't go there, im just speaking to the rthing i spoke to ok ?
mircea_popescu: this "not retarded just unaware" is nonsense. that they're unaware is the proof of their retardation.
mircea_popescu: now, maybe they are aware and use windows for impenetrable reasons, to which i don't got much to say.
ascii_field: big fat difference 'being aware' makes.
mircea_popescu: lemme show you. suppose you go by a diner in wash, and inside see the most beautiful girl ever
mircea_popescu: like, conceivable. you wipe away tears of mental contradiction because you didn't think this could exist.
mircea_popescu: so, on an impulse, uncharacteristically, you go in. and walk up to her
mircea_popescu: and say hi!
mircea_popescu: anmd she looks at you and totally loses it.
mircea_popescu: she like jumps all over you and is like "omg you know how long i've been waitinfg for you my love!?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: so you kiss at which point a dude opens the door, pulls out a shotgun and blows your brains away.
mircea_popescu: the last thing you hear is "fucking shit, excuse me, miss. i thought he was someone else."
ascii_field: ah finally back to real world!
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: and this is not nearly as contrived as it may seem. the one wish that will come up if you actually are a necromancer and can speak with the dead
mircea_popescu: (like yours truly)
mircea_popescu: in all the cases of murdered wise men, is "i wish they had first bothered to know who the fuck i was".
ascii_field: the canonical: 'one day, a bullet hit stierlitz in the head. "a hollow-point, must be!", thought stierlitz, scatter-brained'
mircea_popescu: that looks just like an angry mike_c
mircea_popescu: don't shoot mikey, we're not disparaging windows. just the users. k ?
mike_c: hehehe
mircea_popescu: "AND THIS IS FOR THE PAPERCLIP!!!1"
trinque: hahahha
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242093 << for the record, "revenge" "cxheated" etc is bullshit. female monkeys genitally injure beta males. usually by biting.
mircea_popescu: same thing.
mircea_popescu: it's not revenge and it's not cheating, it's "you're too shitty to reproduce". a sensor they do have in their brain, and which is being so deeply downregulated to live in teh civilised world, it starts firing randomly.
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mircea_popescu: notably, no female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, she WILL disable dribbly betas that make half-assed attempts which they manage to fend off.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 14:22:09; BingoBoingo: They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it
mircea_popescu: i suppose you could turn this into a "you're not supposed to be a man, i picked you because you're shit, to make you my live toy. if you contradict this i'll fucking kill you" which could then be summarized as "jilted" and "revenge". but if THAT is what the authors are thinking when using those words, they're worse than the KKK over there.
trinque: you know, a former girlfriend I said goodbye to this weekend told me that the problem with being with me was that she lost the desire to seek other sexual partners when fucking me (this apparently being psychologically important to her for some reason related to shopping)
mircea_popescu: an' should really be ashamed of themselves.
trinque: I just shook my head, said "jesush christ you're broken" and laughed
mircea_popescu: trinque dun judge womenz by what they say to you at times like that.
trinque: hmm, maybe so
trinque: could've just been what you say to him when leaving
mircea_popescu: i mean if she said that she couldn't possibly have been unfaithful yes ?
mircea_popescu: this is how twu wuv sounds, right ?
trinque: yeah not once, though broke it off with me because she thought this quaint? or who knows what
trinque: this was from years ago
trinque: my reaction was "if this is your natural reaction to me, what the fuck's wrong with it?"
shinohai: I also read a story of Yazidi women who have formed a paramilitary force to kill their rapists (ISIS)
mircea_popescu: which is why /me recommends structured relations. takes all this dubious derpage out of the thing.
mircea_popescu: theres a reason when people go dancing they agree aforehand on WHAT dance will they dance
mircea_popescu: rather than you know, find themselves there and try to guess as they go alon
trinque: right, were I to just take charge and say "well you belong to me then, and that's that" she'd react with all the socialist bullshit in her head
mircea_popescu: shinohai right, and this exists not as a tool to keep in line the beta boys of isis, but as a means for isis to lose its fucking leadership.
mircea_popescu: trinque so ?
mircea_popescu: always give the other the chance to actually play his hand, yes ?
mircea_popescu: you thinking what they'd do is not good enough.
trinque: tbh it is in listening to you describe relationships that I've realized I have several lovers I have not tended to *at all*
trinque: that is, to be very honest.
trinque: but anyhow, I'm leaving this state and she's voting for hillary or something
mircea_popescu: lol so what if she is.
mircea_popescu: lemme ask you this. if you were the well bearded patriarch of a most devouted harem
mircea_popescu: and i mean... girls who'd lovingly, readily lick your asshole if you don't feel like using toilet paper, devoted.
mircea_popescu: would you tell them who to vote for ?
shinohai: vote for me :D
mircea_popescu: fnargl, you know ? big deal.
mircea_popescu: one of the most useful conceptual tools at your disposal. "am i doing this because i'm not sure i'm the king-emperor, or because it's what the king-emperor does ?"
trinque: no, never been my style to try to control those things
trinque: you're right
punkman: why would you let them vote?
mircea_popescu: that question divides the abstract world in two. not even that one or the other of the two kinds is better. merely the distinction is useful in and of itself.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: let's also ask which mcdonalds item they will be ordered to eat?
mircea_popescu: punkman i don't care either way, they can vote if they want to, what.
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trinque: now, "read this book"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field whay ?
trinque: yeah I've said things like that, and not asked whether
trinque: and this has usually had a wonderful result
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: re: 'who to vote'
trinque: girl in question went from being a retail something to a project manager at a software company
mircea_popescu: ascii_field if you enforce looks and a fuckable muscle tone, they drop the mcd on their own.
ascii_field: mega-unsurprise
ascii_field: was answering the 'who would you order them to vote for'
mircea_popescu: trinque see ? that's your spv. "you're my thing, and if you shut up and suck it you may one day be smart enough to do all the things you don't like toi think about now because you're unsure"
mircea_popescu: ah ah ha
phf: trinque: in my experience you want to bring that socialist stuff to the surface asap, and then nip it in the bud, or end the whole thing if failed. eventually the unexplored is going to be what creates strife
mircea_popescu: i can undersign.
trinque: yeah, of course this was a goodbye, so I have made an assessment of whether the tumor's extractable
trinque: it's sort of a diseased version of something normal, I observe
punkman: mircea_popescu: they drop the mcd on their own. << yeah that's what I was shooting for, why would a good slavegirl want to vote in derplections?
trinque: she saw herself developing into a woman due to my books and fucking, and couldn't deal with that
mircea_popescu: godel sez : you never know, punkman.
trinque: neotony, it's a thing, I've learned :p
trinque: *neoteny
mircea_popescu: trinque dun hurt telling these things out plain, in general.
trinque: sure, told her all of that
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mircea_popescu: but i did order mcdonalds icecream cones be purchased and sampled, because wtf already, when i came here first i was shocked at how good the icecream was. then i found a place which shocked me again, at how good their icecreeam was over argentine icecream. and recentyly found a second, which YET AGAIN
shinohai: dun hurt to always marry a girl at the top of her blowjob game, either.
mircea_popescu: shinohai ie a 50yo retired whore ?
trinque: lol
shinohai: I liek Milfs
mircea_popescu: but if she's a milf she has kids, which makes her cocksucking dedication questionable at best.
shinohai: truth
mircea_popescu: "nah man, she does this trick where she grabls her knees and spits in her own snatch afterwards, i've never seen anything like it."
trinque: the kind of woman you can curl up with a book in
trinque has begun to not care, open to reasons why he should
trinque: how's this not just any other altcoin?
assbot: The news, in brief : "Hearn is a shitstain, MP is right, fuck reddit. Love, Satoshi" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eyf7mo )
mircea_popescu: cmon, shitstains. can we get it in writing ? hm ?
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 14:27:14; punkman: "The previous CoinWallet test only achieved about 15% of its output because its servers crashed."
mircea_popescu: "we're gonna be important!111"
mircea_popescu: i guess they did get something from the early mpoe-pr adversative marketing techniques. so in that sense less dumb than most forum derps.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242118http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242118 << quite exactly. "o hai, wer didn't accomplish anything and our servers crashed in the process. WE CAN JUGGLE!!1"
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 14:31:36; asciilifeform: nah but you 'get points for trying' if you break your fists. somehow. in the bizarre usg twerp view of the world.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242129 << the dream of cheapskate "influencers", yoiu know ? they're gonna spin up 5k amazon instances for $500, and count it as a "majority" becauyse totally, votes from a buried pogo and an aws instance with a 100 hour lifespan are EQUAL.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 14:50:30; Naphex: BingoBoingo: amazon seems to be supporting it hard lol
mircea_popescu: why is astroturfing so fundamental to usg political thought is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: why they expect it to work however...
ascii_field: 'cause vox populi, vox dei !!111!!11 (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: and populi = aws instance ?
ascii_field: it ~always~ was
ascii_field: even before electric lamp.
ascii_field: 'i speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues!1'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242140 << thios, really. there's absolutely no reason to allow aws anywhere.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 15:09:37; BingoBoingo: Or the ones on the AWS ip space
mircea_popescu is kinda tooi lazy to dig up that article with the oglaf cartoon re the electoral debater.
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assbot: In sprijinul eugeniei on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hL4KXw )
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242168 << it is, lol. check out the idiot. 3 years, up 64x. 4 more years, up 32x. 5 more years, up 2x.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 15:46:27; pete_dushenski: "Gavin has done more for bitcoin in a few years than you could do in a life time. 2003 128mb in my phone, 2006 1Gb on my phone. 2010 32gb on my phone, 2015, 64 gb on my phone. And your telling me raising the block size limit from 1 to 20 mb is an issue?"
mircea_popescu: and this is somehow an argument in his stupid head ?
mircea_popescu: a more pointed example of how the entire thing just ground to a halt could not be devised if one tried. and yet the derp figures this bolsters his case. because he went to a school in the united states.
fluffypony: BUT HIS PHONE HAS A BIGGER SD CARD
fluffypony: SO THEREFORE
mircea_popescu: yea. and in 2020 a phone that has 32 gb card will cost 100x what the phone with the 64 gb card cost in 2015.
ascii_field: 100,000.
mircea_popescu: nah. they're not actually useful and were made in bulk, so.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242217 << they don't want to test, thjey know it doesn't work already. they want to derp. and, for a while yet, they can, so let 'em enjoe.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 17:28:32; kakobrekla: stress network meh, thanks for derping in the history of everything forever and no way they heard of testnet.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 17:35:12; kakobrekla: really it prolly should be more expensive than _ANY_ other way of paying.
mircea_popescu: "if you have any option besides paying in bitcoin, USE THAT. wtf is wrong with you anyway."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242241 << bwahaha thanks for adding the references. this is going to become VERY useful in the future.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 17:45:45; pete_dushenski: robert tilton really is doing "god's work". dude scammed john oliver out of $319 over a period of 7 months.
mircea_popescu: certainly before the 2020.
mircea_popescu: and for the record, that guardian article is a horrible hack job. it looks like someone took a camera and went to a coupla yard sales. wtf guardian, seriously ? you ever seen new jersey ?
mircea_popescu: atlantic city ?
mircea_popescu: where do you live!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00071182 = 12.9551 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 19:29:50; mircea_popescu: nah. they're not actually useful and were made in bulk, so.
mircea_popescu: that's what drives the price : as the stored stuff gets delivered
mircea_popescu: not for a moment was i proposing user-owned shit to make it. but there's boxes.
mircea_popescu: ytou know, like the pogos. exactly.
ascii_field: i won't be surprised if we learn that usg has purchased and burned the bulk of those.
mircea_popescu: with what money ?
mircea_popescu: nah, the water left in the pipe is left in the pipe.
mircea_popescu: the pipe's chinese mostly.
mircea_popescu: some euro/arab shipping corps.
mircea_popescu: the us dun count for shit in this story.
mircea_popescu: jus' dreamin' its dreams of "intellectual property" and whatnot
ascii_field: with a few $k srsly
ascii_field: is all it'd take.
ascii_field: what was that warehouse total, $8k ?
ascii_field: danielpbarron ?
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field here's the model i propose to you : current debit is 1mn units/day, say, call this t0. "world ends" event, t1. prices spike 40-50% and social support wanes. demand drops 80%. this is t2. production stops, and the pipeline gets diverted to storage, this is t3.
mircea_popescu: the good now moves from pipeline to sotrage pricing, and as a result it will slowly dwindle as price goes exponential and demand collapses.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.0007116 = 6.6471 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so, sales of 100 units/day, at 100x what they cost a day, some point at t5.
mircea_popescu: that 1% total sale volume is the last sustainable place for it, after price increases past 100x demand collapses entirely and the good either becomes monetized or disappears outright, in the hands of collectors.
mircea_popescu: this is the star line of goods. just like normal stars.
ascii_field: pogo?!!!
ascii_field: as it is, a used car's worth of benjie buys the lot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00071282 = 21.6697 BTC [+]
jurov: pogo is useless without hard drive, either (and no, we don't have antifuse rom)
ascii_field: jurov: no (yet) shortage of those
jurov: you remember that flood? and it was only one factory
ascii_field: iirc it made spindle drives only
ascii_field: but yes, one burned/flooded factory can double price of $component
ascii_field: (certain items are still scarce on account of fukushima)
mircea_popescu: pogo isn't the same thing as "cellphone"
ascii_field: but all of this is re: generic technocollapse
ascii_field: i was speaking of a specific strategic good
ascii_field: that is useful pretty much only to us
mircea_popescu: jurov nah it was like 3, and in any case the weather stayed bad and 90% of production was in the same area.
mircea_popescu: but yes : goods there moved from pipeline to storage like... halfway. 1/3 of a way really
mircea_popescu: price doubled. (price doubled specifically bnecause it wasn't all the way, incidentally)
ascii_field: the other thing is that price doesn't double when those directly hit can 'borrow' using shitflation - e.g., switch to chinese electrolytic capacitors instead of fukkupied jp parts
mircea_popescu: yeah but i don't see how the smartphone made out of shit and sticks will cut it
ascii_field: ask samsung
ascii_field: they ship'em now.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally -0 this is how the russians ruined their at some point fledging industrial reputation
mircea_popescu: the soviets tried the inflatatron, but by making shitstick cellphgone. it blew in their face)
mircea_popescu: it's almost never a bad idea, that.
ascii_field: however it works if 'that's how world works' and the consumer frog is boiled 1) reasonably slowly 2) in unison
mircea_popescu: it's never a GOOD idea, that.
mircea_popescu: no, it does not work. it merely appears to have worked
ascii_field: 'cell phone lasts a year, dontcha know'
mircea_popescu: next thing you know, you hang.
ascii_field: wake me up when the makers of 2007-present autos hang
mircea_popescu: you and your sleep cycles.
mircea_popescu: !s wake me up when
assbot: 49 results for 'wake me up when' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wake+me+up+when
mircea_popescu: !s ad libitum
assbot: 38 results for 'ad libitum' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ad+libitum
mircea_popescu: see ? you're 11 sleeps ahead. quit bitchin'.
ascii_field is to sleep as the archetypical sex starved 14 y.o. is to sex
mircea_popescu: "to ensure world happiness, you buy some people girlfriends and some people's girlfriends"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00069186 = 12.7302 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: oh mpoe how you toe with my heart
ascii_field: pretty much 90% of my 'rich' fantasy consists of being able to actually do my hardwired 26-hour circadian instead of pretending, badly, to do the standard 24
danielpbarron: ascii_field> danielpbarron ? << wasn't it like 20k?
mircea_popescu: im doing it lol.
jurov: so the consensus is.. i should start stocking on hdds/ssds?
ascii_field: jurov: can't hurt
mircea_popescu: the consensus is, it makes more sense to hoard NRFB smartphones than gold.
ascii_field: unless they have peculiarly short shelf lives
ascii_field: (not impossible, and i can't rule it out)
mircea_popescu: but then again gold is a very low bar. almost anything makes more sense to hoard.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
jurov: lol incidentally.. my newfound love for n900's
trinque: not dumbphone enough for me
trinque: what I really want is like a radio-passive beeper
ascii_field: trinque: those are still sold
jurov: web browser can be handy
trinque: ascii_field: I may just not know how a beeper works
danielpbarron: ascii_field> 'cell phone lasts a year, dontcha know' << i've had my iPhone 5 for 3 years now, if i'm not mistaken
ascii_field: danielpbarron: wait till the os update is mandatory
ascii_field: then - straight to dumpster
danielpbarron: i've been updating all the way
ascii_field: but i was making an abstract point
ascii_field: that scarcely anyone keeps these for longer than 2-3 yrs
mircea_popescu: very abstract indeed.
ascii_field: just like around 2007 it became ~sop~ for cars to last 5 yr instead of 15
trinque: ascii_field: now that I'm reading about it, is the passive in one-way pagers actually passive in the sense I care about?
danielpbarron: most useful feature of my iPhone is mod6's MPEx twitter bot announcing trades in real time to me wherever I go
trinque: not so much as a peep back to tower?
ascii_field: trinque: passive in the sense of not transmitting
ascii_field: at least not by design
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure they still heartbeat
ascii_field: at least not classic pagers
ascii_field: that ran on 'aaa' cell for 2 weeks
mircea_popescu: is it an abstract point ?
trinque: surely this, being sane, must be on the way out
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: no, it was (and to a limited extent, still is) an actual product where i live
ascii_field: small box that only receives (somewhere in the 400 MHz band), with character display
ascii_field: ;;google pocsag
gribble: POCSAG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POCSAG>; POCSAG - Signal Identification Wiki: <http://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/POCSAG>; RTL-SDR Tutorial: POCSAG Pager Decoding - rtl-sdr.com: <http://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-pocsag-pager-decoding/>
ascii_field: signal from the station is very strong, can be received, typically, even in a lift, or an underground station
ascii_field: which made 'beeper' popular even as mobile phone appeared
ascii_field: surgeons, i'm told, still carry classic 'beeper.'
ascii_field: 'beepers' with provisions for answering were introduced but were obsoleted by 'smartPnohe'
jurov: lizardhitler must be able to page you at any time!!!1
ascii_field: how else.
trinque: hm. now I want a pocsag usb device
assbot: RTL-SDR Tutorial: POCSAG Pager Decoding - rtl-sdr.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3o0K )
trinque: fun!
ascii_field: though bad link
ascii_field: asks you to use a shitblowz proggy
ascii_field: there is a proper one somewhere
mats: danielpbarron: wait what? 'MPEx1' hasn't tweeted since 2013
assbot: EliasOenal/multimon-ng · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3zsV )
trinque: general notion being that I might do some driving around with the laptop soon, see the states while it's easy, and I'd like to rely on passive tech (beeper, gps, etc) more as an exercise than because of any operational need
assbot: BitOTTerBot (@BitOTTer) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3BB4 )
ascii_field: trinque: it still lives & dies by the official transmitters
ascii_field: nothing 'decentralized' about it
trinque: ascii_field: sure, of course
ascii_field: but do wake me up when somebody starts transmitting a therealbitcoin blockchain i can pick up with my rtlsdr !!
trinque: indeed
ascii_field: and when i can throw a transaction into a wireless parasite mesh
ascii_field: ^ mircea_popescu ?
punkman: you can send tx with satphone
ascii_field: application for hypothetical device
ascii_field: punkman: satellite ~= fighter jet
ascii_field: not to be relied on for the future.
ascii_field: certainly not unless one serves usg
mircea_popescu: you mean cn.
mircea_popescu: not even or.
ascii_field: cn, ru
punkman: and how does wireless mesh reach china?
ascii_field: punkman: what do i need china for
punkman: well US transactions need to leave the continent no?
ascii_field: shortwave.
ascii_field: hell, moon bounce.
ascii_field: troposcatter.
mircea_popescu: are we doingthis again ?
ascii_field: ^ ANOTHER reason tx ~has~ to be expensive, and blocks - light.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: which this
assbot: Kryptoradio by Koodilehto ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2iOTf )
ascii_field: punkman: in logs, yes
ascii_field: punkman: uses derpatroic bitcoind though
ascii_field: and therefore not of interest.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "providing punctual technical solutions for poorly understood future situations".
mats: danielpbarron: ok cool
ascii_field: nah just doing a mircea_popescuine 'i like to think'
ascii_field: as with yesterday's block fattening thread.
mircea_popescu: so what';s the premise ? i guess i missed it.
mircea_popescu loathes to think without premise.
ascii_field: premise is that in certain zimbabwes, net access is dodgy
ascii_field: one effective answer is 'don't go there' - reasonable
mircea_popescu: see, that's the difference. i don't think we ca do a "like to think" if the premise is not an "all" or "every"
mircea_popescu: actually, i would propose that's the difference between think and wank in the space in question.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14734 @ 0.00070467 = 10.3826 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: think is "all". wank is "some". "certain" is iffy and should be resolved to either.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu designs a parachute, and reasons using 'all' and 'every' ?
ascii_field: is to deploy on every flight ?
mircea_popescu: yes. when you design "a parachute" you design it for "every".
mircea_popescu: if you do not you got a very bad result.
ascii_field: for every pull of the cord.
ascii_field: but not for every flight.
mircea_popescu: so then you say this, and your "Certain" has become an "every"
ascii_field: fine. when i pull this 'cord', we get a bitcoin node in a place where usg does not wish for there to be honest nodes.
ascii_field: that there's your 'every.'
mircea_popescu: "a" is still not every but certain :)
mircea_popescu gapes in amazement at the incredibly powerful tool he came up with over dinner conversation.
ascii_field: 'a' == every territory presently occupied by the bugmen
mircea_popescu: so any ?
jurov: ascii_field: if it can filter internet such, then it can do radio, too
mircea_popescu: this problem is easily resolved : there can not be an "any" node.
ascii_field: jurov: bugmen rely on radio too much, in modern times, for proper sov-style jamming
jurov: they rely on 'net, too, back since desert storm
ascii_field: own net.
jurov: that does not exist
ascii_field: sure does.
ascii_field saw it, alive.
ascii_field: they still have separate cabling and all.
ascii_field: granted, not as extensive as once before, in the old days
ascii_field: commercial links for most (but not all) long haul
phf: trinque: i have a gsm modem on home base, that saves sms to text file and generates wave files of left messages. when i travel i just periodically download that stuff, when i get internet connection. you could probably harden it in various ways to minimize your location being traced, as an exercise
kakobrekla: you download wave files ?!
mircea_popescu: why not make them bitmaps
ascii_field: incidentally, and not unrelated, payphones of the traditional kind where almost entirely abolished where i live
ascii_field: over past 5 or so years
ascii_field: they were a loophole in the tracking grid and had to die, yes
phf: obviously, they get lame'd
mircea_popescu: here too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00070467 = 9.8654 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: bbbut you are starting off with text which is best, especially to download on the road
mircea_popescu: phf why not download the text ?!
phf: ~voicemail~ messages
mircea_popescu: you said sms lol
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even listens to voicemail. i never have.
mircea_popescu: if someone is dumb enough to talk to a machine they should CONTINUE.
trinque: hahaha
mircea_popescu: i'm not talking to machine talkers.
trinque: voicemail's terrible; I use email and IRC
trinque: and if something doesn't do either of those things, it gets taped into one of them, or abandoned
ascii_field: here in the stone age lands, it is generally expected of a 'serious person' to be reachable by voice phone
trinque: phf: what's this modem? is the sms aspect special, or do I just need to learn those horrible looking codes?
ascii_field: (unless you're hitler and have a secretary)
mircea_popescu: i bet you he gets the bulk of it from womenz that don't know enough contemporaneous culture to just send nudies.
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: trinque: nobody cancelled hayes modem codes!!
trinque: I should autoresponder "tits or gtfo"
ascii_field: trinque: how else is the thing to let your machine know that it got a call, msg, or whatnot
phf: trinque: i parse gsm by hand, because. but there's a handful of linux packages that'll do it for you
ascii_field: or to dial it
trinque: I mean, arbitrarily any way
trinque: and someone chose *that*
trinque: for example I know of a guy that built some radio doodad that farts out s-expressions
phf: version 1 of that was written for razr, because first phone i had with a usb connector
ascii_field: btw, best gsm modem i presently know of for this application is just about everything made by 'huawei'
phf: ^
ascii_field: their usb dongles, at least the ones i tested, can even make/receive voice calls
ascii_field: without analogue wiring
ascii_field: this is almost UNKNOWN on any other vendor
ascii_field: (to date i have not been able to source any but huawei which does this)
mircea_popescu: so for my own curiosity (inspired mostly by our bitcoin experiments here) i had it tested. there's no modern browser thatr doesn't leak memory.
mircea_popescu: and we're talking kbps sort of leaks.
ascii_field: no shit
ascii_field: mega-unsurprise
ascii_field: who doesn't believe this - get thee to valgrind, and see for yourself.
trinque: the DOM is far to intermingled to ever deallocate certain things
trinque: god have I spent time in this hell
trinque: *too
mircea_popescu: yeah well...
mircea_popescu: shit dun work.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what;d happen if someone made a racist browser.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14666 @ 0.0007103 = 10.4173 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ie one that supported none of the crud.
punkman: lynx?
mircea_popescu: to begin with : did not allow https.
mircea_popescu: nah, graphical.
trinque: sounds like some kinda CLIM thing with a socket
trinque: that'd rule
phf: trinque: there's "closure"
trinque: phf: this is hypertext atop lisp in clim?
trinque: because hypertext isn't wrong, the browser is
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 05:58:00; punkman: http://browsers.evolt.org/
ascii_field believes that hypertext, at least as presently implemented 'in-band', ~is~ wrong
phf: trinque: closure is a browser, which spawned a bunch of projects, one of them is closure-html, an html parser
trinque: yeah nah, I'm talking burn it all to the ground
trinque: represent hypertext as s-exp, write in CLIM
mircea_popescu: should be able to render webm for fuxxase
trinque: I'm sure you could do media really nicely in clim
trinque: and it would know things you could do to the media!
trinque: independent of the site author!
trinque stops himself before he dares dream
assbot: Closure Web Browser ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBpttR )
mircea_popescu: anyway : i am itching to declare extant browsers obsolete and force through a replacement.
mircea_popescu: i need this more than i need a bigger blocks hardfork
mircea_popescu: much easier task, too.
ascii_field: replacement for exactly what ?
ascii_field: 'lynx' still works
mircea_popescu: for the gfx browser.
phf: btw lynx has a pretty nasty track record of remote exploitable bus
phf: *bugs
ascii_field: phf: like just about all c proggies
phf: it's probably better then nothing, but without a foundation style audit, it's a liability
ascii_field: phf: the whole shit-orchestra, all the way down to the turtles and elephants, is a mega-liability
trinque: ascii_field believes that hypertext, at least as presently implemented 'in-band', ~is~ wrong << unless I misunderstand you, we agree
trinque: I am saying hypertext as the concept that there are relationships in written word that can be traversed is right
trinque: the browser, emphatically not
ascii_field: the essential thing is to use nothing whatsoever created by the folks who have so thoroughly disqualified themselves.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nah, graphical. << surf ???
trinque: just another webkit wrapper
trinque: I wrote one of those me-self
phf: trinque: that's the gsm package i was thinking of http://wammu.eu/docs/manual/smsd/
assbot: SMS Daemon — Gammu 1.36.5 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuntgW )
BingoBoingo: What about Dillo, uses own engine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14952 @ 0.00070875 = 10.5972 BTC [-]
trinque: still big wad o' c/c++
trinque: and the problem's so simple!
ascii_field: http://mpetroff.net/2015/05/amazon-dash-button-teardown << very lulzy. contains princely mircocontroller, multiple MB of eeprom, and... a microphone.
assbot: Amazon Dash Button Teardown | Matthew Petroff ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBr3f6 )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242106 << prolly a great thing to fix huh. << In practice largely supplanted by the patch on therealbitcoin list
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 14:22:09; BingoBoingo: They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3638 @ 0.00070875 = 2.5784 BTC [-]
phf: oh, i missed the confusion part. the setup saves text files of sms messages and ~separately~ a folder of voicemail messages in mono mp3
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00070875 = 8.2924 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30489 @ 0.00071648 = 21.8448 BTC [+] {5}
trinque: !rated relaxedman
assbot: relaxedman is not registered in WoT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00070467 = 22.5142 BTC [-]
trinque: !up relaxedman
trinque: relaxedman: ^
relaxedman: on it already
trinque: !seen liquidassets
trinque: ;;seen liquidassets
gribble: liquidassets was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <liquidassets> property only entered into it when I tried looking up meaning to funciary commodity. Yes, the "do you want it?" seems to be the question. Thanks MP always a pleasure
trinque: ;;seen WolfGoethe
gribble: WolfGoethe was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 weeks, 3 days, 18 hours, 20 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <WolfGoethe> some fool locking up my coins with bogus trades. what fool wants to deposit cash to the bank... at midnight???
trinque: !unrate WolfGoethe
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b5ebb2c77036eaa7
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
trinque: !v assbot:trinque.unrate.WolfGoethe:aebf4e3a51678a9538932c577f3d025744b6d9d15447342b9cbcc4b197eae9ab
assbot: Successfully unrated WolfGoethe
trinque: ;;seen hasimir
gribble: hasimir was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 30 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <Hasimir> yeah, that was it (well, that and ZNC)
kakobrekla: myea, i unrated liek 100 people the other day (in both wots)
kakobrekla: anyone who i havent spoken to in a year for sure.
assbot: La Comunidad de Bitcoin se Niega a Aceptar Bitcoin XT - NewsBtc ... ( http://bit.ly/1HUwj5H )
trinque: yeah, doing some review
shinohai: ^ qntra got a mention ^^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00070467 = 2.9596 BTC [-]
shinohai: !up Varia_Varietatis
trinque: I thought Varia_Varietatis was sentenced to 6mos of log-reading for losing his second key
trinque twists moustache twistily
Varia_Varietatis: trinque: true, making a new key right now but think I might need a new nickserv account?
trinque: what I'm saying is, nobody in L1 will rate you at the present time such that you can self-voice (or at least, would be wrong to do so) because you made a severe error in maintaining your keys
kakobrekla: the third of fourth?
trinque: an error which you will understand if you actually do the work and read logs
Varia_Varietatis: working on it.
Varia_Varietatis: kakobrekla: anyway I can keep this name? never used the key on the bot.
kakobrekla: well, try to register, see what it says
Varia_Varietatis: hold on, gotta reread how to do all of that out of the log.
shinohai: Varia_Varietatis = n6 ?
shinohai: or nx
shinohai: Are you still a virgin?
shinohai: I still can't help you.
trinque: and how old?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.000732 = 7.5762 BTC [+]
[\\\]: do you live on an island by yourself?
Varia_Varietatis: no, but I was a recluse for about 12 years.
Varia_Varietatis: Tell you all about it, after I work out my key / name sitaution brb
danielpbarron: !gettrust Varia_Varietatis
assbot: Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Varia_Varietatis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=danielpbarron&to=Varia_Varietatis | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Varia_Varietatis/
danielpbarron: you did use the key with the bot
trinque: Varia_Varietatis: you're setting yourself up to be rated negatively, here
trinque: you would be best served reading, not trying to register for the umpteenth time
Varia_Varietatis: Yea, I put a key in then lost the pass phrase. trinque true learning gpg still..
trinque: well yes, you are
trinque: but I don't hand you a gun first off when teaching you how to shoot
danielpbarron: Varia_Varietatis, write down pass phrase before you type it in, try out key before you register it
jurov: you obviously need to improve your attention span, logs are useful tool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00071385 = 25.0204 BTC [-] {4}
trinque: danielpbarron: I wouldn't give the guy one-off answers like that
Varia_Varietatis: working on testing my key now but gpg quit asking for my passphrase think i'm doing something wrong
trinque: gotta *READ*
jurov: and if there's mental disability in play oughta figure it out first
trinque: there is no substitute
trinque: and this point must be enforced by L1, imo.
danielpbarron: Varia_Varietatis, and to answer your other question, yes you will need a new nickname and nickserv registration
Varia_Varietatis: Going to do that now.
jurov: BRB HOLD ON, MUST RUN TO GPG
danielpbarron: i should edit the first_steps wiki page to put the log reading part at the top of the list
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
shinohai: But really, every time he comes: https://transfer.sh/ABh3C/autism-meter.gif
jurov: i found it more like bipolar than aspie (not to say it can't be both)
BingoBoingo: shinohai: You should have linked the original English version apparently outsourced to Odesk http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/08/18/negative-publicity-keeps-miners-away-from-bitcoin-xt/
assbot: Negative Publicity Keeps Miners Away from Bitcoin XT - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li9DRC )
shinohai: I saw the Spanish one first BingoBoingo xD
kakobrekla: i dont think miners are 'boycotting' at all ftr.
danielpbarron: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
kakobrekla: problem?
danielpbarron: won't load for me, and now the wiki won't either
jurov: loads fine
kakobrekla: prolly danielpbanned
kakobrekla: pm me your ip i can check
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.000732 = 16.836 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: all taken care of.
kakobrekla: i have a rather trigger happy ban hammer
kakobrekla: a warconfig.
BingoBoingo: Better than configwar
danielpbarron: the blank dvds i picked up today are the wrong kind.. why is + vs - still a thing!?
danielpbarron: is it to get me to walk into the store a 2nd time 50% of the time?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.000732 = 8.967 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: meanwhile i'm trying to remember how I last got a gentoo-live thing on a flash drive
BingoBoingo: Did you install to the drive?
danielpbarron: no, there's supposed to be a way to copy the contents of the .iso to the flash drive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00070467 = 26.1785 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well you have to make sure it is copying over as the right filesystem then. I forget what it's called that has an actual disk filesystem layered over the CD iso, but probably that is missing
danielpbarron: gotta mount the iso and copy the stuff inside into a specially created disk image file
trinque: danielpbarron: use my thing!
trinque: !s deedbot.org/genbootstrap
assbot: 0 results for 'deedbot.org/genbootstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot.org%2Fgenbootstrap
trinque: fucker
trinque: !s genbootstrap
assbot: 2 results for 'genbootstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=genbootstrap
trinque: wat...
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 22:32:03; trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig
BingoBoingo: !s genitalstrap
assbot: 0 results for 'genitalstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=genitalstrap
trinque: relevant logs thereafter
shinohai: I tried, builds lovely filesystem, doesn't write it to .img
trinque: er... yeah it does
trinque: or how did you have the filesystem
trinque: it mounts a loop device at "build"
shinohai: yup it mounted device fine
danielpbarron: doesn't that create the final thing? i'm trying to create the flash installer
trinque: there's no "installer" for gentoo that I'm aware of
trinque: the livecd is just another gentoo system
danielpbarron: that's what i mean
danielpbarron: livecd on flash drive
trinque: yar, this will do that
trinque: you need to change two things
trinque: blank out the value for IMAGE and set BLKDEV to the device in /dev for your drive
trinque: being careful of course that you have the right one...
trinque: danielpbarron: the script is written to be read and edited to personal fit
danielpbarron: gah, better off doing that straight to a hard drive i think
trinque: either way.
trinque: it uses genkernel, so it has the livecd's hardware detection
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51749 @ 0.00070217 = 36.3366 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: VariaVarietatis: why do you need voice to read logs?
trinque: danielpbarron: lemme know how your experience goes; and shinohai I thought you had bad ram or something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24678 @ 0.00072565 = 17.9076 BTC [+] {3}
Adlai: congratulations alphabetmike and threeletteragencygavin, you've self-excommunicated me to the second foundation
Adlai: so where do i begin with this bitcoin thing?
Adlai: (or do i need to make a third foundation with ben_vulpes and trinque and phf and all the other lispers)
trinque: I only know of one legitimate bitcoin foundation
trinque: (ey satoshi, get in the WoT!)
thestringpuller: Adlai: interesting...there is no lisp client that I can find.
Adlai wrote his own secp256k1 group operations, isn't all the rest supposed to write itself?
trinque: Adlai: did you make a shithub?
trinque: I hear that site writes your code for you
Adlai: sorta?
Adlai: disclaimer: most of this code was written by some pseudonymous tardstalk mathemagician... https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl
assbot: adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpu9lX )
Adlai only [re]wrote secp256k1.lisp
trinque: neat
trinque: "base autism" << bwahaha wut
Adlai: aha. what does the test test?
assbot: bip0032sbcl/secp256k1.lisp at master · adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgiGPk )
kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 204.25, Best ask: 175.84656934, Bid-ask spread: -28.40343, Last trade: 187.25, 24 hour volume: 50551.56244909, 24 hour low: 225.03, 24 hour high: 258.5, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: !up olol
mircea_popescu: !up fkhan
Adlai: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00069186 / 0.00072023 / 0.00076057 (2019005 shares, 1,454.16 BTC), 7D: 0.00057936 / 0.0006804 / 0.0007991 (12557623 shares, 8,544.23 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00057265 / 0.0007991 (83883070 shares, 48,036.33 BTC)
kakobrekla: 175 on bfx
Adlai: so close to breaking 80ksat :(
BingoBoingo thinks BIP 14 user agent string when paired with therealbitcoin have serious potential for lulz
mircea_popescu: <Adlai> so where do i begin with this bitcoin thing? << get stator/rotor going, is a start.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's in the pipeline
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: atm tabled from lack of anyone asking for it
Adlai: mircea_popescu: thank you, i have found this signal but there's so much noise. working my way through it, trolling a little on the side because trinque apparently skipped number theory class
mircea_popescu: bid-ask spread NEGATIVE ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck lol
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 72 connections on dulap
asciilifeform: need moar nodez!
mircea_popescu: bitfinexoinica!
trinque: Adlai: I'm over here reading your code, you cunt.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cool. It's one of those little pieces which seems to be holding up things like the getpeerinfo call. One of the things keeping my on my personal 0.7 fork. I find myself adjusting my user agent probably a couple times a week now for the chuckles
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 204.25, Best ask: 193.59607986, Bid-ask spread: -10.65392, Last trade: 180.17251972, 24 hour volume: 72150.16277429, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.5, 24 hour vwap: None
Adlai gets that warm fuzzy feeling, like how you hit your elbow when somebody thinks of you, but geekier
trinque: and I skipped all the classes, so you'll have to try harder than that.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker from some exchange that's not shit
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 223.71, vol: 15951.47102033 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.0, vol: 8456.85296 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 180.74439559, vol: 72150.16277429 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 244.99, vol: 46.91052349 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.160764, vol: 19158.45630000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 199.34967, vol: 682.84999191 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 231.7403, vol: 128.65959276 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 198.673495278
Adlai: trinque: sure but you probably got paper at the end
mircea_popescu: so bitfinex finally does the thing it was supposed to to and "cause panic" ?
Adlai: thus all the classes you skipped don't count and your deadbeat dropout status is revoked
mircea_popescu: pity all the gunpowder's wet bois.
assbot: Block number 370434. First block with a version greater than 3 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpvtoU )
BingoBoingo: Fuck, why couldn't potential fiat revenue stream actualize last month.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't bingo run >9k version for a whiole ?
trinque: Adlai: no, I skipped *all* the classes.
Adlai: asciilifeform: doesn't slush lets any shmuck with a spondongle specify version numbers?
mircea_popescu: Adlai right. redditards, "FIRST APPLE TREE!111 FOUND IT IN MY GARDEN!"
Adlai: BingoBoingo: so you could realize losses for FY2015
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Client version not block version
BingoBoingo: Adlai: So I could add to the horde
Adlai: what horde, i thought they were all lost in a tragic mining accident
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to mine to do block version.
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Who knows anymore
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00073054 = 28.4545 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: first 'i-suck-hearn-cock' block mined
mircea_popescu: anyway, the bitfinex + kraken thing is pretty memorable lol.
mircea_popescu: exactly what that guy told satoshi the plan's gonna be, back on the original list in 2009. "they'll invent fake btc, trade it and it will "go down".
BingoBoingo: !up EPiSKiNG-
asciilifeform: invent fake btc, trade - same algo as with metals
mircea_popescu: all the derps "buying" "cheap" bitcoin on the scams in question (bitfinex, kraken) remember : it's not yours until you send it to your offsite wallet.
Adlai: "fake btc" -_-
mircea_popescu: Adlai like mtgox btc./
Adlai: fake btc (unlike the real thing) exists solely in the mind of its bagholders
asciilifeform: entirely possible that sell flood of entirely genuine btc
Adlai: mtgox were semifake, you could trade them about
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah.
asciilifeform: n00bs collective pant pissing
asciilifeform: 'hearn finally killed'
Adlai: actually yah, and it'd be the best thing to ever happen to btc
asciilifeform: *killed us
mircea_popescu: lol right.
Adlai: (second to satoshi spending directly to mpex)
mircea_popescu: how would that be great ? that'd be miserable.
Adlai: ((without creating an account))
assbot: Bitcoin Block #370434 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpwg9a )
Adlai: !rate asciilifeform -42 still uses blockchain.info
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
asciilifeform: Adlai: what do you use ?
Adlai: webbtc.com (or blocktrail.com for unconfirmed)
Adlai: or better yet, a fucking node
trinque: Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics
asciilifeform: Adlai: your node puts txes in a graphical viewer thing ?
mircea_popescu: yeah since the tools alf dropped nodes are actually much more usable for ths
asciilifeform: ~could~ be usable
asciilifeform: if someone wrote a tool
asciilifeform: that ACTUALLY DOES WHAT bci does
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asciilifeform: and not 'aha yes equivalent'
mircea_popescu: just dumping the block
BingoBoingo: bci still runs version 7-ish
Adlai: asciilifeform: please elaborate on exactly which "graphical viewer thing" bci does that no other explorer does
Adlai: BingoBoingo: false, they run version j-ish
trinque: stamp just popped back up to 234
asciilifeform: Adlai: for one thing, not being slow as fuck
asciilifeform: (like both of the items you linked)
mircea_popescu: trinque i for one am very curious how bitfinex is going to settle all the buyers.
BingoBoingo: Anyways Adlai I thought you were J-ish
mircea_popescu: kraken not so much, nobody uses the scammy pos
mircea_popescu: but somehow a buncha derps failed to read the memo re bitfinex.
asciilifeform: Adlai: for another thing, ACTUALLY SHOWING THE FUCKING VERSION
Adlai: asciilifeform: tradeblock.com/blockchain
asciilifeform: Adlai: 'webbtc.com' does NOT
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the version is in the block as spit out, what gfx do you need ?
Adlai: webbtc.com uses ruby, it sucks, i know, i like them because they run scripts on demand
asciilifeform: Adlai: where is the version !!
Adlai: tx? block? node?
asciilifeform: Adlai: blokc.
mircea_popescu: block we're discussing
asciilifeform: and i don't even see a list of blocks
asciilifeform: srsly this is ~loathesome~ habit of open source folks, linking to a gimp when i need to take a photoshit
asciilifeform: it is NOT THE SAME !!1111
asciilifeform: don't lie and say 'same'.
trinque: but how are we to in-group signal?
asciilifeform: signal with farts.
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?!
Adlai: wow, webbtc really is slow right now
asciilifeform: and yes, bci is a loathesome usg-operated item, sure.
asciilifeform: but it won't die on account of anyone pretending that xyz five-minutes-of-perl piece of shit is 'equal'
Adlai has yet to find an explorer, other than local-node-and-neurons, that provides http://webbtc.com/script/3617d2d6991ee2684eee12fca16fe041cde7eaceab527b855c014dbdae7a7731:0
assbot: Bitcoin BlockBrowser - Debug Script Execution ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jgkd7Y )
asciilifeform reveals, to no one's great surprise, that he is voicing years of frustration with the entire 'open src' world in this thread, not merely bci-replacements.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> signal with farts. << If I understand Edgerouter and Pogo are "farts" that signal ingroup. GIMP is a shit that doesn't work by spz to signal ingroup?
asciilifeform: Adlai: except i didn't ~need~ that
asciilifeform: Adlai: i needed ~clickable block viewer that shows version~
Adlai: well fuck me i'm here to give you what you don't need
assbot: dorodango | create ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgklV1 )
mircea_popescu: a) dude wtf, gimp is the worst example for this, srsly ; b) your own block dump thing actually works for the purpose you discussed, chillax already ; c) there are all sorts of block explorers, yes. it'd be nice if one day someone makes the blockdump one we discussed but that's about it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is actually the best example. of a proggy which naive folks suggest 'will do all the same things'
mircea_popescu: that's not the suggestion. what's said is that gimp is like lisp : if what you want to do can't be done in gimp iot's because you're either stupid or stupid.
mircea_popescu: ie, want to do something that shouldn't be done, or can't figure out how to find someone's pre-made lisp script
mircea_popescu: (yes, gimp trivially works on lisp)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: go and tell this to a pro artist who has a 14-bit pressure and gyroscopic sensor 'wacom' drawing tablet that pays his rent.
asciilifeform: that does not work with gimp.
mircea_popescu: it's current;ly the only practical application i (or ANYONE ELSE, given that eulora challenge) have for lisp
asciilifeform: it or the 1,001 affine transform items it needs
mircea_popescu: "artist" using "drawing tablet" is retarded by definition.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have yet to meet an actual pro or semi pro who draws with mice
asciilifeform: or still draws with ink and scanner
mircea_popescu: it is roughly the equivalent of a "really professional chess player" who plays chess in the dark and moving the pieces with his asshole.
mircea_popescu: isn't he elite!!1
asciilifeform: that'd be the OTHERS
asciilifeform: without tablet.
mircea_popescu: mice ? wtf.
asciilifeform: moving pieces with arse.
mircea_popescu: you draw with the fucking pencil.
asciilifeform: go vectorize that.
asciilifeform: or what, vector does not exist, aha ?
asciilifeform: all graphics are no larger than sheet of paper ?
asciilifeform: or metre-tall pixels are ok on billboard
mircea_popescu: so wait. "wacom doesn't work" is an objection to gimp,
mircea_popescu: but "vector is hard" is an argument pro ps ?
asciilifeform: it is for the man who doesn't program device drivers.
mircea_popescu: how about backwards!
asciilifeform: and you can't vectorize a pencil
asciilifeform: not via machine anyway
mircea_popescu: fact that wacom doesn't work with software means you can go fuck it, and fact that vectors are hard means you're still better off with gimp
mircea_popescu: at least you can SCRIPT IT
asciilifeform: the man who can program in scheme, can script it.
mircea_popescu: the man who can't hires one.
asciilifeform: and the artsy fella ?
asciilifeform: hires, l0l
asciilifeform: on artist's wages ?
mircea_popescu: so your artist IS retarded after all.
asciilifeform: of course.
mircea_popescu: not only he spent his money on something thar doesn't work
mircea_popescu: but it was his last money, too.
asciilifeform: i can already picture the conversation:
asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
asciilifeform: before anyone laughs, this approach has much to recommend it
asciilifeform: and in fact is sop in 'open source' world
asciilifeform: when dealing with civilians.
trinque: too late, laughed.
mircea_popescu: get the fuck outta here omfg!
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts everybody here has applied precisely this formula, and in fact no other is known.
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mircea_popescu: i call bullshit. brb while i prove it.
trinque: I mean to be fair, what the man's saying is that gimp has a scripting layer
trinque: makes total sense
trinque: jack your wacom into that or what?
asciilifeform: it does!
asciilifeform: lovely scripting layer, too
asciilifeform: and for all i know, somebody ported wacom to it in last 7 or what years since i last cared
mircea_popescu: so basically you admit you got nothing.
mircea_popescu: good, saves me from fishing out that file setting up a challenge.
BingoBoingo still arts with oil paints
asciilifeform: can find other hardware that is pro sop and not supported by any reasonable open package
mircea_popescu: YOU CAN FIND A FUYCKING BROOM
asciilifeform: e.g., laboratory robotics
mircea_popescu: hardware that doesn't work doesn't work
asciilifeform: no open anything.
mircea_popescu: this is not to be excused in software.
mircea_popescu: wtf bs is this!
asciilifeform: hardware without which job isn't done - must work. even if operator has to fellate obama.
asciilifeform: which - he will.
asciilifeform: or changes jobs
asciilifeform: (as i did)
mircea_popescu: no bad piece of hardware is required by anyone but idiots.
mircea_popescu: period and full fucking stop, there isn't even what to discuss here.
mircea_popescu: all that can be done is repeating nonsense reddit style.
mircea_popescu: "oh noes, how about cabbie". pshhhh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll bite. find me a mass spectrometer with fully open specs
asciilifeform: or for that matter, GPU!
asciilifeform: eulora.
Adlai: penny for an emacs client?
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:41:23; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3542 @ 0.00071853 = 2.545 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is still not a "ps is good" thing.
asciilifeform: and yes, ~we~ know why this is so. but civilian does not, and blames 'crappy open crap'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not good thing. but it is a jail
mircea_popescu: completely ungermane spurious argument is orthogonal!
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i care what jwz blames.
mircea_popescu: "oh i really just want my computer to just work hurr"
asciilifeform: pointing out that this is not one of those jails which disappears if you stop believing in it
asciilifeform: and yes, they do.
mircea_popescu: has nothing to do with belief.
mircea_popescu: ps turns out, without excewption, in all cases, inferior work, BECAUSE IT SUCKS. it. irretrievably, it ruins work.
asciilifeform: they want their spectrometer/chromatograph/triaxial robot/etc/... to work.
mircea_popescu: and has, for 10-15 years now.
mircea_popescu: claiming otherwise because you got your sexual advances turned down by a mass spectrometer is nuts.
trinque: relatedly, I have a 1 for relaxedman when he comes back. I yelled at him to *read* his way through snags with gentoo, and he did!
mircea_popescu: neither jwz nor mass spectrometers nor anything else has any bearing here.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it sure does suck. like most of the turdalicious offerings. but it is a mistake to suppose that folks use it on account of not having been woken up to the existing alternative
mircea_popescu: not in THIS case
mircea_popescu: which is why i said it's the worst example you could have come up with
trinque: did not bitch "oh but it didn't work out of the box"
asciilifeform may be missing something here
mircea_popescu: in the ps-gimp case, the only reason is strictly user being an imbecile.
mircea_popescu: yeah, you're missing the something where gimp is pretty much the only foss success in the actual marketplace.
mircea_popescu: ie, it saves man-hours. many. many many man hours.
mircea_popescu: that and fucking blender.
asciilifeform: blender, incidentally, was ransomed.
asciilifeform: possibly the greatest antisuccess, from that pov.
mircea_popescu: being run by a bunch of incredibly idiotic idiots, yes. but still.
asciilifeform: in that it began life as an ordinary commercial package, written by folks who worked for a living
mircea_popescu: the software itself is os, and it does work.
asciilifeform: is today, yes.
mircea_popescu: this is what we're discussing
asciilifeform: was ransomed, for, iirc, 800K usd.
asciilifeform does not use blender with any regularity and cannot comment further
mircea_popescu: i don'trecall, but maybe cvut a digit. anyway, hgow is this related ?
asciilifeform: related in the sense that it is not 'ethnically open source'
asciilifeform: was born under conditions that are not available in the 'open source' world.
mircea_popescu: and you're not ethnically a programmer.
mircea_popescu: wtf nonsense is this.
asciilifeform: in precisely that sense
mircea_popescu: there isn't a nation called "Programmer".
asciilifeform: there almost is, and it is the one pictured in sebastian brandt's 'ship of fools'
asciilifeform: (mega-b00k, recommended to all)
BingoBoingo: <trinque> relatedly, I have a 1 for relaxedman when he comes back. I yelled at him to *read* his way through snags with gentoo, and he did! << Promised the same for OpenBSD, but...
trinque: can't speak to that, but the guy got himself booted, through X and a DE, so I can dig that.
mircea_popescu: anyway. yes usg can be rejected just by rejecting it. no, there aren't places where this actually hurts one. yes if one perceives to be hurt it's because one did something stupid in the past he'll have to undo. no this isn't anyone else's problem and no this calls for no sympathy.
asciilifeform: this is entirely true
asciilifeform: but the 'stupid move' can be - the choice of profession.
mircea_popescu: only if the "profession" is saomethiong like "pop star",
mircea_popescu: ie, not a profession.
asciilifeform: or vector artist.
asciilifeform: or spectrometer user.
mircea_popescu: neither.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: be so kind as to describe what the mass spec user ought to be doing
mircea_popescu: and don't start with "gimme free stuff in very ellaborate detail of compelx usage".
asciilifeform: to escape from shitblows
mircea_popescu: buy spectrometer, 2nd hand. reverse it or pay for it be reversed. run it on sane computer.
asciilifeform: let's work this gedankenexample?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and pay to have sane computer produced ?
mircea_popescu: useful life of the tool is 30 years +, so. you get to "break it in" for a few months first.
mircea_popescu: a "sane-indistinct" computer can be had for the task as defined, out of shelf parts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu perhaps did not think that usg could be any moar retarded than it looks already, but here is a mega-secret: a great many (most?) u.s. laboratories have personnel empowered to purchase materiel (e.g., spectrometer) but not ever hire anyone.
asciilifeform: hence no reverser.
mircea_popescu: i do nopt care about the problems of tribes in africa.
mircea_popescu: why do you ?
asciilifeform: except when one appears by accident (as my old job)
asciilifeform: because i live there.
mircea_popescu: africa is not something that can be fixed. it's what the word "africa" means.
asciilifeform: [insert link to 1,001 pertinent threads here]
mircea_popescu: "broken beyond repair" in african.
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asciilifeform is not presently at all convinced that non-africa piece of the planet needs him for anything
asciilifeform or at least anything involving mass spectrometers, rather than knife sharpeners
mircea_popescu: i imagine poor alf mother was in it for a 3 week labour
mircea_popescu: until they could convince the infant that indeed he is "needed" outside.
mircea_popescu: because that's the criteria nao.
asciilifeform: 'every sperm is wanted! every sperm is good. every sperm is needed! in your neighbourhood!' (tm) (r) (montypython)
mircea_popescu: anyway, i can appreciate the part where usg is there to give money to "compensate" the retarded kids that didn't reverse their spectrometer and so ended up with X loss tjhrough any of thbe multiple avenues. and i can appreciate how this makes lazy people manifest thjeir lazy.
asciilifeform: well yes, this is the pons asinorum of why microshit is even a thing
mircea_popescu: but this is not your concern!
mircea_popescu: you don't do the right things TO be paid. you do them BECAUSE they're the right things.
asciilifeform: when it was my concern, i sat and reversed.
asciilifeform: and yes, Right Thing.
mircea_popescu: yes the world should work correctly. but whether it does or does not is not your fucking problem.
asciilifeform: precisely that.
asciilifeform: but it ~is~ my problem when the sword is over my personal neck.
mircea_popescu: because why, you'll die anyway.
asciilifeform: 'die another day' (tm)
mircea_popescu: if you die you sleep ad libitum, alfie.
trinque: !b 3
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trinque: aw, missed
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you write a patch for the verson string thing, i'll read it!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Adlai: sleep ad libitum, but perchance - dream
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100215 @ 0.00073235 = 73.3925 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: "and through reversing, end them ?"
Adlai: indeed, bitcoin is only worth anything because it's maximally irreversible
Adlai: !v assbot:Adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.2:1feac6383761210b4d44f65b92583e1a4f173ca424045f61b09c86fbdc378dab
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: speare shaker
trinque: did nobody get my erdos meth joke?
trinque: sad day
mircea_popescu: i did not!
trinque: haha
mircea_popescu: <trinque> Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics < ?
asciilifeform: trinque: as far as is publicly known, erdos took dextroamphetamine rather than meth
asciilifeform: !up Bingo_VACAY
trinque: mircea_popescu: haha that was the one
trinque: asciilifeform: ah, my mistake
Bingo_VACAY: Knocked offline weather
mircea_popescu: you'll have to explain it to me.
asciilifeform: trinque: to be fair, i was not there, heard secondhand
Bingo_VACAY: I need moar batteries
trinque: mircea_popescu: fella just seemed excited
mircea_popescu: don't quit the dayjob eh.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
danielpbarron: trinque, your script references a .tar.bz2 file that no longer exists, and it assumes I already have the gpg public key that signed the digest file
Adlai: trinque: if "erdos method" means hopped up on speed couchsurfing through the wot, i'd be honored but a little overplaying my character
trinque: yar, in the subsequent logs there's mention that it needs to be changed to the latest stage3
trinque: Adlai: twas just an idle joke sir
Adlai: but someday!
trinque also enjoys the latest deed
Adlai: all this requires is that a sufficient percentage of the wot settle in harm-reducing jurisdictia
trinque: this being which?
Adlai: which this being which what?
trinque: whaaha
Bingo_VACAY: Someday I won't irc on 3g because Thor decided to be a USG bitch
trinque departs for a bit
Adlai: get some sleep trinque, your antecedents are out of contrel
trinque: danielpbarron: yours + 2 is my response, might've gotten overlooked
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm kinda curious on what planet it is sop to have the mass spectrometer reversed and enlinuxed. because i'd like to move to that planet. instead of here, where, as of five minutes ago, my mailbox was NOT deluged with offers of vast riches (or even paid rent) for reversing laboratory instruments.
mircea_popescu: no meatwot eh ? :)
asciilifeform: on the planet where i live, owners of such items suck usg cock, WITHOUT EXCEPTION
asciilifeform: i dun think this particular wot exists.
mircea_popescu: meta nsa no more ?
asciilifeform: or at least it creates no evidence of its existence
asciilifeform: meta nsa makes own spectrometer.
asciilifeform: out of pure thought.
asciilifeform: or, more realistic, when really needs an 'open' instrument, hires away the designer
mircea_popescu: one "really needs" an open instrument like one really needs a trustworthy wife.
mircea_popescu: all the time without exception.
Adlai thinks asciilifeform's attitude is only correct in the pre-scarcity world
Adlai: someday all the designers will be dead, and all the instruments rusted
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with instruments, it is more of 'do you want the crack whore who fucks 10,001 sailors monthly or the standard whore who fucks 101 engineers'
asciilifeform: Adlai: i already live in the world where designers are (largely) dead and the instruments are getting only more rusted
mircea_popescu: yet magically no one's trying to do anything. somehow.
asciilifeform has been known to.
mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform often times i look around at this retarded place and i feel i live in the future us.
mircea_popescu: it's very instructive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, future us, past us, all the same from the dirigible, no ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00072323 = 39.1991 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the precious little they do right, they do by thoughtlessly following tradition.
mircea_popescu: everything else ... it's beyond words.
asciilifeform: as with any pesthole
mircea_popescu: nah, i'd love a future us atm.
asciilifeform: iirc uncle al described it as 'running on fumes'
mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
asciilifeform: and yet, my phone did not ring today, with argentinian master of spectrometer who wants linuxification
asciilifeform: nor is the firm where i work deluged with argentinian inquiries re: samples of virii
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203508 @ 0.00072323 = 147.1831 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i would be much surprised if there's an argentinian who even knows what to do wit hone.
asciilifeform: so no r&d.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, for the obvious : TAKE FACEBOOK PICTUREWS NEXT TO IT!
mircea_popescu: no r&d ? no secondary education.
asciilifeform: thing is, this largely describes the u.s.
asciilifeform: but in the entire thing there is, dissolved, the equivalent of maybe 2 or 3 soviet 'postbox' r&d towns
asciilifeform: i kinda assumed this is also true in ar.
mircea_popescu: maybe there. not here.
mircea_popescu: here "r&d" is xapo.
mircea_popescu: the peak of it, at any rate.
asciilifeform recalling the story with peron and the jet plane
mircea_popescu: absent another ww they can sit neutral around, they're so fucked zimbabwe looks promising.
asciilifeform: ;;google kurt tank
gribble: Kurt Tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Tank>; Focke-Wulf Ta 152 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_152>; Kurt Tank | biography - German aircraft designer and test pilot ...: <http://www.britannica.com/biography/Kurt-Tank>
assbot: Bitcoin Price Crashes amid Perceived Network Disagreement over Block Size - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E47U2k )
mircea_popescu: it's all they got to show for a lot of expenditure.
mircea_popescu: let teh poor ppls enjoy.
mircea_popescu still can't wait to see how the bitfinex settlement's gonna work
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243257 << I may give it a go. Would likely need polishing. Thankfully not that big a gap between first BIP 14 strings and therealBitcoin
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:41:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you write a patch for the verson string thing, i'll read it!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: remember to use vdiff.sh
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I never had the original diff learned so it should be interesting
mircea_popescu: exciting
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: takes two args, directories a and b, and shits out diff to stdout
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://bitcoinist.net/bitcoin-price-crashes-amid-perceived-network-disagreement-block-size << lulzy filipinotronics <<<< Written by: Caleb Chen << used to run the CCN shithole. I'm not convince these are separate concerns
assbot: Bitcoin Price Crashes amid Perceived Network Disagreement over Block Size - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E47U2k )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55464 @ 0.0007179 = 39.8176 BTC [-]
assbot: Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1E49b9K )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37678 @ 0.0007179 = 27.049 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I'm just amazed how much of 2011 and 2012 the Filipenis is bringing back
BingoBoingo: "GeneralLee" is sync'd on home connection again after weather event
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107361 @ 0.00073155 = 78.5399 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo basically, their bitfinex broom fired. the once it gets to fire.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck will still use it after this... god knows they were making up most of the volume anyway.
BingoBoingo: Maybe it is a Mosin, they could have a whole nother 4 to fire
BingoBoingo: 2nd or 3rd though prolly get that persistent Gox disconnect
mircea_popescu: i dunno who actually possessed of the least bitcoin interest would still use it after this.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, there still is the issue of settlement on the fake btc they sold < 200.
mircea_popescu: who's gonna pay, gavin ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dunno who actually possessed of the least bitcoin interest would still use it after this. << AMeriPhillipenis
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but that aside, there still is the issue of settlement on the fake btc they sold < 200. << Like Gox they hope noone ever withdraws
mircea_popescu: for all i care the dept of hernia can keep on doing this 300k donation programme to people who've took an obvious shot at 10:1 leverage untill they fall over.
mircea_popescu: they'd get better roi by buying adwords or something, but hey.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00073505 = 25.7268 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Well, reddit didn't do it
mircea_popescu: lol speaking of bitfines, anyone rememeber "picostocks/100th" anymore ?
BingoBoingo: Of course.
BingoBoingo: One of the early places I spotted Hanbot eating souls
assbot: Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle reportedly will plead guilty to child porn charges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDYcE8 )
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.66, Best ask: 235.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 235.72, 24 hour volume: 124974.00784124, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.18, 24 hour vwap: None
BingoBoingo: Also, apparently how Qntra climbed from 250,000 to 50,000th place in US traffic while visits slowed http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/08/18/new_york_times_daily_mail_bbc_buzzfeed_why_did_web_traffic_for_world_s_biggest.html
assbot: New York Times, Daily Mail, BBC, BuzzFeed: Why did web traffic for world's biggest publishers drop in April? ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4e2b2 )
mircea_popescu: it's an alrogithm
BingoBoingo: Of course
mats: it falls
thestringpuller: ;;nethash
gribble: 371977103.291
BingoBoingo: Still a relative increase of 200,000 places on a traffic decling, not bad. Glad fartbook was ignored
mats: im even moar poor than b4
BingoBoingo: I am always both poorer and richer than I have ever been before
trinque is eagerly waiting at the sidelines
trinque: FALL MOAR
BingoBoingo: trinque: No, stay up and fall once I have fiat
danielpbarron: i got the iso to boot from a flash drive using something called unetbootin
thestringpuller: the netbooter?
thestringpuller: doesn' tthat thing make a bootstick of any linux?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00070304 = 56.5947 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform would like to know - but does not expect mircea_popescu to say - why mircea_popescu believes the 'cheap' coinz are fictional, rather than panic-sold by the usual folks
mircea_popescu: crossed wire.
asciilifeform: c0sm1c rayz!
mircea_popescu: no. you understand what this means ?
BingoBoingo: Not the first time
mircea_popescu: normally the price goes 10 / 11
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently not?
mircea_popescu: when the price goes 10 / 7 it is because the people selling the fake btc do no wish to run their meagre offering into the bids of 10
mircea_popescu: so they fix the "exchange" to not serve bids anymore.
asciilifeform: but serve some, for show ?
mircea_popescu: so as to get the fraudulent price signal out
mircea_popescu: so that maybe others panic.
asciilifeform: shake loose what is not bolted down well, sure.
mircea_popescu: and i expect a sec investigation into bitfinex post haste.
mircea_popescu: unless the sec particularly wants me to run an investigation into IT.,
asciilifeform: 10 / 7 is sufficient evidence for this hypothesis? and bitfinex alone originates this gambit ?
mircea_popescu: with the caveat that i run my investigations with people hanging by butcher hooks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is, yes.
mircea_popescu: that never happens naturally. you gotta do it, much like "bullet shaped hole in head" is proof someone was shot.
asciilifeform: stimulatingly goxian
mircea_popescu: it's not "a tumor"
asciilifeform: waitasec
asciilifeform: Bid-ask spread: -28.40343 >> isn't that convertible to an arse-mouth system ?
asciilifeform: what prevents this ?
asciilifeform: anyone connect the hose yet?
mircea_popescu: yes. they got shook to the tune of 5-10mn for their sins.
mircea_popescu: and i don't expect them to pay, either.
asciilifeform brain melts
mircea_popescu: ;;google this is what desperation looks like.
gribble: People Are Desperate To See What Jennifer Aniston's Wedding ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/not-jennifer-anistons-wedding-dress_55d1e3e3e4b055a6dab0bbb0>; Marriage equality opponents show what desperation looks like: <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/24/1396082/-Marriage-equality-opponents-show-what-desperation-looks-like>; Now we know what desperation looks like (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: derp. google, learn to serve trilema.
asciilifeform: why would anybody ~do~ that
mircea_popescu: running out of options.
asciilifeform: is this basically a usg equivalent of letting the screwdriver slip and the plutonium hemispheres fall ?
mircea_popescu: yes, provided the population is cockroaches. they expect no negative effects past you know, being more braindamaged than before.w
asciilifeform has hard time picturing anyone but a 'bitfinex' insider walking away with those (partially imaginary) arse-mouth-extracted coinz
asciilifeform: said insider being the usg shadow of the org in question
asciilifeform: as with gox
asciilifeform: shadow leaves, takes what there is to take, like the old picture of soul leaving a body
BingoBoingo would not be surprised if fiat based exchanges report higher than $317/BTC before September 5th
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: $10. but available as jam-tomorrow victory bondz from usg, naturally.
asciilifeform: in point of fact i am rather surprised that this is not yet a thing
asciilifeform: (at least not publicly)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, I'm feeling this prediction straight from my friends the testicles
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If this winter made anything clear even USD promise anal rings can't sustain sub $200 BTC
asciilifeform has no idea how much sustain-juice is in that tank
asciilifeform: could be litre, could be ocean.
BingoBoingo: No more than Water Buffalo ~400 gallons
BingoBoingo: Reported rates this low always required a Gox
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja miss the part in the thread where it becomes known that someone let slip a wrong button and gave out $int coins for phree ?
hanbot: qntra article cooking in BingoBoingo?
asciilifeform: (rather, paying folks to take'em ?)
BingoBoingo: Of course. Satoshi did the same 2009-Spring 2011
BingoBoingo: hanbot: At least 8 hours from nao
hanbot: water buffalo gestation!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when i think of water buffalo, i always think of: http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/WritingVietnam/readings/tob_true_war.html
assbot: Writing Vietnam - Readings: T. O' Brien ... ( http://bit.ly/1TThIOS )
asciilifeform: (first excerpt on page)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was refering more to the GI wiLCVfkaLx
asciilifeform: !s wiLCVfkaLx
assbot: 0 results for 'wiLCVfkaLx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wiLCVfkaLx
BingoBoingo: www.ebay.com/itm/like/181815242494?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82wiLCVfkaLx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3603 @ 0.00073536 = 2.6495 BTC [+]
assbot: Start of ATT Collaboration with NSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTj0JA )
asciilifeform: 'Due to the ECI relationship, the technicians for AT&T had to possess a Top Secret security clearance to actually just access the fiber, because they might "accidentally" discover the tap, or discover data being diverted out of the fiber optic multiplexers. By the way, "ECI" means that the company is given a code name to conceal their involvement in illegal activities. For example, AT&T has a code name, MCI has a code name, Sp
asciilifeform: rint has one, and so on. The ECI codename for AT&T is "FAIRVIEW" and also US-990, but pay attention to the US-990 SIGAD code and it tends to indicate when a code and alias was initiated. US-990 dates from the day AT&T was broken up. On that date, each of the "baby bells" was given a ECI codename and SIGAD code name in the manner of that of AT&T.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform unlike http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/ et al, they didn't have the presence of mind to actually stop new orders.
assbot: Icbit.se, the bucket shop on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTjDml )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.0007397 = 22.228 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: some actual users must have put orders in.
mircea_popescu: but yes, incredibly flaky execution, that's fo sho.
BingoBoingo: !up Jrum
BingoBoingo: !up ericp4
asciilifeform: 'As each fiber optic company sought a new undersea cable landing license from the FCC they were required by the NSA to enter into a classified contract with the NSA for TWO access point for each undersea cable. The first access point had to be right at the optical multiplexer which duplicated the optical pulse into the undersea cable, and then a second into a fiber optic cable that fed NSA gear. Then, behind the multiplexer an
asciilifeform: d the switching systems a second access point where the signals exited the cable station to enter the AT&T, Sprint, MCI, etc backbones.'
asciilifeform: (whole thing recommended reading)
BingoBoingo: So moving GeneralLee to port 8333 I've noticed it throws a lot more non-killing errors related to SPV nodes asking it for information with bloom filters, or at least I think that is what the errors are
BingoBoingo needs to trap one in the wild
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: GetCommand() : type=3 unknown type in ProcessMessage() ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: harmless. and your description is correct.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Only 4 in the past 18 hours
BingoBoingo: So SPV, not even that popular
asciilifeform: this, too, is fit subject for a patch;
asciilifeform: no reason to clog the exception collector with this crud
assbot: Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmEmV )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> no reason to clog the exception collector with this crud << Tagged as Africa
assbot: altctrlcrit comments on Don't let Bitfinex scam you. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmQSU )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this, too, is fit subject for a patch; << I imagine orphanage stomping patches will be joined with "Fuck off out of my kitchen" set
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1540 @ 0.0007355 = 1.1327 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it falls squarely into the 'wouldn't it be nice' set of patches, rather than 'must have yesterday' set
asciilifeform: and therefore i will not be writing it any time soon.
asciilifeform: but you can!
BingoBoingo: Of course. Much as it would be nice to supplement "GeneralLee" on home connection with "GeneralQuantrill" seed and relay slut node on colo eventually.
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