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assbot: It's time for a break: About the recent mess & temporary new rules : Bitcoin ... ( )
mircea_popescu: weird that he didn't choose to take that stand three years ago on his own damned forum, but instead goes to break his neck on someone else's shit platform.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is the problem with youth.
mircea_popescu: by the time it figures shit out it's screwed alreadt.
ben_vulpes: how old is theymos?
mircea_popescu: twennysomething.
ben_vulpes: bitcointalk was ppulling in what, tens of btc/wk?
mircea_popescu: certainly more than reddit modertatorship's paying hjim
ben_vulpes: << oh man kakobrekla can we get color coded b-a lawgz too? pretty please?
assbot: #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-08-11 ... ( )
mircea_popescu: lobbes did that
mircea_popescu: !rated lobbes
assbot: You rated user lobbes on 06-Feb-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: #eulora logs bot.
ben_vulpes: i'd dearly love a css pass on logs.bitcoin-assets to colorize by speaker and with a mobile breakpoint
ben_vulpes: for logging while dropping logs
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell belxjanger please fix your connection.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell belxjander please fix your connection.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: ben_vulpes: mobile breakpoint?
hanbot: ben_vulpes> did this clear up your abortive attempt? >> mhm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00075521 = 1.5104 BTC [-]
hanbot: !up ShawnLeary
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( )
ShawnLeary: you can become a VIP Donator with a small gift of 50 BTC to theymos
mats: what is this @member: business
ShawnLeary: i dunno, i copy pasted my previous post that didn't go through
ShawnLeary: i'm using colloquy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00075521 = 27.7162 BTC [-]
assbot: xtbit/notbitcoinxt · GitHub ... ( )
fluffypony: hah hah
punkman: "A mischievous fellow who counts among his friends the queen of Bhutan and Catherine Deneuve, Louboutin has perfected the art of the glacial smile when faced with awkward ethical questions. What does he make, for instance, of the fact that in India, a market into which he is expanding, there are lots of people who own no shoes at all?"
punkman: "“Not everything is for everyone and that’s the way it is,” he said, teeth gleaming indifferently. His theories about shoes were tinged, predictably, with a seeming misogyny. They come, he insisted, with a great deal of “sexual energy” – which is perhaps just as well, as the only thing it’s possible to do in a pair of his heels is lie down."
assbot: Migrants locked in stadium on Kos for nearly 24 hours | World news | The Guardian ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00076052 = 19.2412 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: heels are not for us bred fatties.
mircea_popescu: heels are for women.
mircea_popescu: wtf "ethical questions" are these ?
punkman: why can't bums in india have louboutins? not fair!
mircea_popescu: butthurt is now "ethics" or what.
mircea_popescu: because they're lesser people.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69010 @ 0.00075721 = 52.2551 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.00075991 = 40.0473 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Block size according to technological growth. · GitHub ... ( )
mircea_popescu: mostly for "Bitcoin's advantage over other systems does not lie in scalability. Well-designed centralized systems can trivially compete with Bitcoin's on-chain transactions in terms of cost, speed, reliability, convenience, and scale. Its power lies in transparency, lack of need for trust in network peers, miners, and those who influence or control the system. Wanting to increase the scale of the system is in conflict
mircea_popescu: with all of those."
punkman: that's nice, but :
punkman: "It implements a series of block size steps, one every ~97 days, between January 2017 and July 2063, each increasing the maximum block size by 4.4%. This allows an overall growth of 17.7% per year. "
mircea_popescu: yeah the actual function's useless as is
mircea_popescu: but the conceptual harness is sound.
mircea_popescu: "Attempting to buy time with a fast increase is not wanting to face that reality, and treating the system as something whose scale trumps all other concerns. A long term scalability plan should aim on decreasing the need for trust required in off-chain systems, rather than increasing the need for trust in Bitcoin." etc
Adlai has realized from 'notbitcoinxt' that ultimately the only thing that matters is what enters the blockchain. text, including that inside textual protocol fields, is just text.
Adlai: miner's chicken. they may all support 42TB blocks, as long as the other guy mines them first
mircea_popescu: a function that, after each retarget, allows blocks as large as say 1.01x the average actual size of the blocks in the 2k batch for instance.
mircea_popescu: gives everyone some leverage - miners that want to keep blocks smaller can mine empty blocks. miners that mine large blocks have the usual disadvantage due to speed. the thing itself allows very limited growth, in the sense of 1% growth if the previous two weeks were all full blocks.
punkman: that's more than 17.7% :P
mircea_popescu: actual bitcoin users can actually force the miners, by paying enough to make their transactions not-non-mineable, even if it fills blocks
mircea_popescu: punkman it could be.
mircea_popescu: that's the difference : i have no need for an arbitrary 18% no matter what.
punkman: but yes this might be a sort of sane way to handle block size
mircea_popescu: maintaining full blocks for two weeks straight has not happened yet nor would it be trivial
mircea_popescu: 20 empty blocks in the two weeks interval nullify the growth.
mircea_popescu: making any expansion truely consensus-driven.
punkman: I'd still want the fee market to develop further before any increase.
mircea_popescu: it necessarily would. because unless two weeks worth of filled blocks, it does nothing.
mircea_popescu: if the fee market has not developed by the time the blocks are filled like that, it;s not happening.
punkman: right now it appears that fees are increasing, but only because of the derps doing "stress tests"
mircea_popescu: there has not yet been as much as a signle day of straight full blocks.
mircea_popescu: in fact, there have not been full bloicks period
mircea_popescu: (ie, 1mb exactly. because 990 mb blocks fails to allow for an increase by the above proposal)
mircea_popescu: 990kb i mean
punkman: depends if these kb are base10
mircea_popescu: iirc they are
mircea_popescu: 1000000 bytes
mircea_popescu: (in case it wasn't obvious - this wouldn't allow a decrease of blocksize. increase only)
Adlai: eh? if the average of the 2kb batch is under x/1.01, wouldn't that reduce the cap?
Adlai: or does this have a "memory"
mircea_popescu: that's the biggest problem with it, it introduces a state.
punkman: does it?
punkman: hmm
mircea_popescu: you can't allow it to reduce block size, because the noise will make the system unbound and it'll collapse.
mircea_popescu: but to not allow it to reduce, you must keep state.
mircea_popescu: which is horribru.
mircea_popescu: but it horribru or not horribru - a) we are currently keeping state, just, as a constant and b) there is no way to make pie-in-the-sky arbitrary values work.
mircea_popescu: be they 8mb or 17.7 or /dev/rand or anything else.
punkman: 1mb has wroked splendidly so far
mircea_popescu: no argument.
Adlai: a constant is a lot less state that max(constant * average, variable)
mircea_popescu: no argument #2.
punkman: maybe just go to 2mb at some point?
mircea_popescu: but, if a solution to this problem, admitting it is a problem, and admitting a solution can be had, is to be had,
punkman: whole lot simpler
mircea_popescu: it'd have to look a lot more like the above than like anything i've seen,
assbot: BIP 102: Increase block size limit to 2MB by jgarzik · Pull Request #173 · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( )
mircea_popescu: including sipa's idea.
mircea_popescu: punkman you'll never get consensus behind "random number".
mircea_popescu: not until you become the saint of numbers anyway.
punkman: 2mb is how I always imagined an increase, but yeah I guess that unworkability is becoming apparent these days
mircea_popescu: i imagined the us electoral system will work.
punkman: could just have blocksize next to diff target in block header I suppose
mircea_popescu: would kinda have to.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of what "the very talented" "core developers" think, this will not be a simple or easy change. it will require a lot of touching,
mircea_popescu: and pretending otherwise is just that, pretending.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, if we're to keep state the only sane way is to put it in the block headers.
mircea_popescu: (why the blocks were designed to not contain a summary bytecount of their own variable content i nthe first place is yet another example of the "satoshi was not much of a designer" thing)
mircea_popescu: who the fuck looks at a list and goes "a it's ok, don't need header referencing the size, why would you."
punkman: why have a bytecount in the block?
punkman: you just count the bytes
mircea_popescu: and when you allocate memory, same ? you just count the bytes you used ? AFTER YOU DID ?
Adlai: why have difficulty in the headers? you just count the hashes
punkman: lemme explain, if we have the size of each block included in headers, that's not the state we need
mircea_popescu: only sane way to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello, this is a struct, will take no more than x of your space kthx"
mircea_popescu: the MAXIMAL size.
mircea_popescu: what you plan to allocate.
mircea_popescu: a noob saved a word ("who would need 1000000 repeated each block!!!") and in the process made the design much dumber.
punkman: oh ok then, I read it wrong
mircea_popescu: but anyway - the fucking magic number should have been in block headers not in a c file.
mircea_popescu: and back in the day you'd get flunked in undergrad sys design for shit like this.
Adlai: ahem. c++
mircea_popescu: same difference, here.
Adlai searches memory/google for that altcoin that commits to its own source code
punkman: lolwut
mircea_popescu: provably wrong ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone got a github account, leave a link to this convo on there, curious if sipa/anyone groks wtf's going on.
mircea_popescu: of course this would also trash the fixed size blocks-powered bitcoinfs
mircea_popescu: which unequivocally sucks.
cazalla: "He had recently landed a job as a bitcoin ATM attendant in the Waves Coffee House at Smithe and Howe streets and he saw a bright future in the currency. He wanted to create a shared space for the bitcoin community. But having to worry about whether he had a home to come back to at the end of every workday was starting to interfere with his business plans."
assbot: 404 - Page Not Found ... ( )
cazalla: blem-for-entrepreneur-living-in-a-van/article25982115/
mircea_popescu: bumcoin.
Adlai: !s tezos
assbot: 0 results for 'tezos' :
assbot: Tezos, a self-amending crypto-ledger ... ( )
cazalla: pretty much, but what is the attraction to creating an embassy, shared space, etc etc?
punkman: cazalla: what you don't like our shared space here?
cazalla: punkman, i imagine they only discuss bitcoin as the embassy whereas here, it is a little different.. gentleman's club as one article states
Adlai: somebody has been working so hard that he missed the memo on steak
assbot: Africa’s first Bitcoin academy - IOL SciTech ... ( )
cazalla: ;;later tell fluffypony ^^ might be worth checking out, eh? :P
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Sonya Kuhnel | Cryptor Trust Inc. ... ( )
fluffypony: Sonya can go die in a fire
fluffypony: she's the one that banned me from attending future Bitcoin Africa conferences
fluffypony: because I was "disrespectful" to her
cazalla: what'd ya do fluffypony?
fluffypony: I ridiculed one of the presenters because he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves the Byzantine generals problem
fluffypony: ridiculed him on Twitter I mean
fluffypony: so she came up to me in the middle of the conference, during someone's talk
fluffypony: and asked me if I was @fluffyponyza, which I said I wa
fluffypony: and then she's like "you've been Tweeting out some mean things about Gareth"
punkman: link?
fluffypony: so I go "who?", because I'd been tweeting out mean things about a lot of idiots that were presenting
fluffypony: so then she says "well I think you shouldn't tweet that"
Adlai: blocks and hacks may break our backs but words should never hurt us
fluffypony: so I go "well then he can man up and come and talk to me himself, else he must fuck off"
fluffypony: so then she goes "well I'm just the messenger"
fluffypony: so I go "well then you can fuck off too"
fluffypony: then they tweeted a few hours later about how I wasn't welcome at future Bitcoin Africa conferences because I was disrespectful
punkman: lel, such mean
fluffypony: I know right
mircea_popescu: "Sonya is an entrepreneur and founder of Bitcoin Payments."
Naphex: heh
mircea_popescu: lol you don't toy with your food enough fluffypony
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: well I wanted to hear the speaker so I could mock him on Twitter as well, so I didn't have time for a protracted conversation with the stupid cow
mircea_popescu: so tell her "listen, i want to hear the speaker to i can mock him as well."
mircea_popescu: much better than "fuck off"
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: let em squirm.
mircea_popescu: "Sonya is also Founder and Director of two Hats a design and development company that specializes in corporate branding, print design, web design, web development, mobile/responsive web development, e-commerce services, business analysis, search engine optimization, social media, Google Analytics, Google Ads and E-Marketing."
mircea_popescu: and tooth whitening.
mircea_popescu: "specializes" seems to have lost a meaning sometime in 2004.
mircea_popescu: and it could never be found again.
fluffypony: "Riccardo is the founder and director of fluffypony inc., a company that specialises in *.* "
fluffypony: soon (tm)
mircea_popescu: nah, riccardo is a suspicious guy sending paypal donations in clear violation of maritime law.
mircea_popescu: i know him.
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: yes exactly
fluffypony: dodgy PayPal donations from darkest Africa
assbot: The Bitcoin Academy | Bitcoin and Blockchain Training in South Africa ... ( )
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut
mircea_popescu: they also want moneyz ? where is it, in nigeria ?
fluffypony: so ~$230 for a "full day course"
mircea_popescu: "sonya has a urgent business propozal for you!"
fluffypony: "catering included"
mircea_popescu: ;;google pizza poundcake
gribble: Seinfeld Scripts - The Muffin Tops: <>; Pizza PoundCake on Pinterest: <>; Seinfeld - J. Peterman reality bus tour - YouTube: <>
fluffypony: it's like a bunch of retards sat around a table and said "we missed out on buying Bitcoin at $0.50, so how do we make money from it now?"
fluffypony: I bet they launch an altcoin next
mircea_popescu: "specialize in it!"
mircea_popescu: lol. it is kinda the retard path. prolly come up with some fixes first tho.
fluffypony: what do you teach in a Bitcoin "developer" course anyway
fluffypony: how to hit the JSON RPC API?
mircea_popescu: BeSt PrAcTiCeS
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: you know i have trouble picturing you telling some random woman to fuck off ?
fluffypony: I know, it was a little out of character, but I was extremely pissed off that the guy didn't have the balls to come talk to me himself
fluffypony: and instead some random comes to do it, like she's his mother
mircea_popescu: should have bought her a drink.
shinohai: <<< I think so too now, I usually only use default mem value on new machine :/
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 02:26:52; trinque: shinohai: you might want to run memtest86 or something; you might have derped ram
assbot: Windows 10 – A Serious Threat To Bitcoin Privacy ... ( )
mircea_popescu: lol bitcoin on win10 should be the lulz of all time
shinohai: Bitcoin on any windows is kind of lulzy to me.
shinohai: <<< I have yet to tell a woman that messaged me for a booty call "Sorry not tonite, I'm playing Tetris."
assbot: Playing Tetris Can Help Reduce Craving for Drugs, Food, and Sex: Study | NDTV Gadgets ... ( )
jurov: shinohai: "craving" happens usually when nobody calls :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.000755 = 32.9935 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: interesting. a botnet of bitcoin nodes...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56200 @ 0.00074712 = 41.9881 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 258.81, Best ask: 258.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 258.51, 24 hour volume: 12078.23603986, 24 hour low: 257.4, 24 hour high: 262.37, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00073682 = 37.7252 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: fluffypony: Gareth, the old bitinstant CTO
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
fluffypony: thestringpuller: no
fluffypony: oh wow I actually found the speech
assbot: Gareth Grobler - New entrants and disruptors - YouTube ... ( )
fluffypony: the slide is hard to see in its glory, pity
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:38:33; mircea_popescu: only sane way to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello, this is a struct, will take no more than x of your space kthx"
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu << i'm curious re: why this should ever be necessary; and why one ought to even consider opening this portcullis until long after the siege is lifted and the last gavinist is hanged
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:31:55; mircea_popescu: it'd have to look a lot more like the above than like anything i've seen,
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: why the fuck NOT 1MB forever?
ascii_field: speed of light will not increase just because ten trillion schmucks think they would like it to;
ascii_field: nor will the permeativity constant change;
punkman: there were a couple threads discussing the increase in regards to fees
punkman: it might be that miners won't get enough fees in 1MB blocks
ascii_field: again the socialist garbage
ascii_field: they get 'not enough' - they ~die~ and are replaced by folks who don't need as much.
ascii_field: and again, again.
ascii_field: ad infinitum.
ascii_field: but noooo, the maggots want ~me~ - the relay operators - to pay
punkman: so you die and someone else relays?
ascii_field: nah i can die so usg becomes sole relayer.
ascii_field: kinda the plan, i think
ascii_field: notice that mining scales down ad infinitum - bitcoin worked fine when mining consisted of spare cpu cycles
ascii_field: whereas relaying does not.
jurov: they can switch to litecoin, monero, etc.
punkman: it worked then with spare cpu cycles, I don't think you can have that again
ascii_field: punkman: not literally. but can easily have bitcoin and 99.999% of extant miners starving
ascii_field: and their equipment repurchased for pennies on the dollar by new folks.
ascii_field: but imho, even having this conversation at all is a kind of surrender to usg
ascii_field: the only reason why the block size 'conversation' is even happening at all is that they have 'taught the controversy'
ascii_field: !s teaching the controversy
assbot: 16 results for 'teaching the controversy' :
punkman: pretty sure we've been discussing this even before the controversy
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:31; asciilifeform: (at least two! of which the artist controls at least 1...)
funkenstein_: in to say "Hegelian dialectic"
punkman: for interested readers, Pierre_Rochard's thread about the limit and fees, with Gavin as special guest:
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 18:23:26; Pierre_Rochard: my main disagreement is on the economics side, you say “ Limit the number of transactions that can happen on the Bitcoin blockchain, and instead of paying higher fees people will perform their transactions somewhere else.”
thestringpuller: ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world.
thestringpuller: also there is some d00d offering a 25 BTC bounty to the first miner to mine an XT block with the version header.
thestringpuller: only 749 blocks to bribe!
punkman: someone should definitely take the idiots 25btc
kakobrekla: just merge mine your derp coin and done.
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
assbot: Using ambient sound as a two-factor authentication system | Naked Security ... ( )
shinohai: Somehow that seems just as bad as real 2-factor auth
jurov: !s pr0n mic
assbot: 0 results for 'pr0n mic' :
jurov: !s hookers microphone
assbot: 4 results for 'hookers microphone' :
jurov: ^ idea already considered by serenissima the almighty :DDD
jurov: but to 2FA.. you'd have to keep reusing the same hookers, i spose
shinohai: LOL nice
shinohai: There is nothing new under the sun, it has likely already been proposed in these hallowed forums.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00072771 = 14.2631 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: i like to think of it more a great hall
thestringpuller: or a court
shinohai: It *is* a court for sure. I should like to see more trial by combat though.
thestringpuller: maybe when eulora has combat we'll see that
shinohai: I got to stop being lazy and find me a shitty old desktop so I can try eulora again.
mike_c: virtualbox works too
jurov: mike_c: you actually run eu in it?
mike_c: I used to, yeah. before you did the thing with the binaries
jurov: and it's usable at all?
mike_c: yup, worked fine. no sound :)
mike_c: from what I remember the framerate wasn't awesome, but entirely usable.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: << lulzy. one-stop shop for sp4mz0r
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ascii_field: 'Orway does not condone the use of malware.' << mega-l0l, they ~sell~ crapware and nothing else
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3016 @ 0.00075446 = 2.2755 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37342 @ 0.00076056 = 28.4008 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: wai wat
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 04:06:21; ben_vulpes: << oh man kakobrekla can we get color coded b-a lawgz too? pretty please?
ascii_field: i see colour in both modes ?
kakobrekla: link ?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( )
kakobrekla: forget the false
kakobrekla: just unset it
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( )
kakobrekla: still a tad buggy tho imma fix
kakobrekla: ah its fine actually.
kakobrekla: anyway, since the switches are only binary i dont actually check for values cause its more work and im lazy
kakobrekla: hence a mention of var is sufficient
kakobrekla: to trigger the kindergarten (and other) modes.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( )
ascii_field: << if you recall, >> is a professor of maths at u of augsburg specializing in number theory. extra lulzy
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ben_vulpes: lovely pastels thank you kak
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla:
danielpbarron: >> Consider keeping Dropbox folders on your computer that match up with everything so you can easily reference everything. This way, your most important documents are backed up and ready to share when needed.
assbot: What I Learned From a Two-Year IRS Audit — Medium ... ( )
jurov: danielpbarron: ?
jurov: you will sooner explain to some people your faith than "why not dropbox"
chetty: well nothing wrong with dropbox for most people, usg and any hacker that wants it already owns it
jurov: i did convert one dude to self-hosted seafile, but otherwise, meh.
trinque: rsync master race
chetty: the mystery is why the irs wants yu to provide documents it already has
trinque: chetty: I've long lamented that they don't just "file your taxes" for you
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: chetty: no mystery
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 22:45:48; mircea_popescu: because the job where you ask questions you don't know the answer to is in science not in humanities.
jurov: that's sop for every bureaucracy ever.
trinque: but as ascii_field observed a while back, they do that so you have the opportunity to fuck up before them
ascii_field: 'and your exchange rate isn't determined until after confirmation happens' << mega-win
thestringpuller: trinque: says rsync as I'm installing it and conetmplating it for take unrelated to channel
chetty fondly recalls filing taxes on a postcard
trinque: I use cron-job rsync wherever other folks might use dropbox or the like
thestringpuller: isn't that all dropbox is
trinque: yep
thestringpuller: just with fancy gui
jurov: mostly. but rsync won't keep file history
trinque: yeah that's true
jurov: nor it allows for sharing with n00bs
trinque: meh
trinque: I just put files on an http in that case
thestringpuller: "file history" << then slap git ontop of it and call it day?
trinque: in which case you don't need rsync
assbot: The Declaration of Bitcoin's Independence : bitcoinxt ... ( )
ascii_field: 'That we the people have final say on any and all matters that concern bitcoin the protocol and bitcoin the community.' << mega-l0l
ascii_field: !s beoble
assbot: 1 results for 'beoble' :
trinque: "try and write a sort of constitution"
shinohai: This is rich.
trinque: I got your sort of constitution right here
trinque wipes his ass
jurov: maybe it's just buttcoiners trolling. but only maybe
chetty: * trinque wipes his ass// just like a real one
ascii_field: << lulzy rubbish. let's use ANYTHING but the things known to work! using those WOULD BE WRONG
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 15:47:07; assbot: Using ambient sound as a two-factor authentication system | Naked Security ... ( )
shinohai: This is the most entertaining Monday on reddit in some time.
punkman: "Many intermediate versions include compression improvements. This does not break forward compatibility because the decompression code is stored in the archive. The code is written in a sandboxed, virtual machine language called ZPAQL." << reminded me of
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ascii_field: punkman: why go far? the ubiquitous 'RAR' does something quite like this
ascii_field: (iirc, turing-complete, even!)
punkman: oh it does? didn't know that
ascii_field: the vm part anyway
ascii_field: and like just about all interpreters written by muppets and esp. for shitblowz - at least one known exploit.
danielpbarron: jurov, that thing i linked about taxes and dropbox is by someone in here: wilbns
punkman: well this doesn't inspire confidence
assbot: oss-sec: Possible vulnerability fixed in ZPAQ v7.02 ... ( )
danielpbarron: the whole piece reads to me like "this is how to be good obiedient tax cattle"
ascii_field: danielpbarron: what did you expect it to be? a magical recipe for escaping the cattle corral ?
assbot: nugyar comments on The Declaration of Bitcoin's Independence ... ( )
nubbins`: just saying
nubbins`: wonder who made the header logo, hearn?
ascii_field: prolly a summer intern at noblis
nubbins`: it looks like they literally copied the /r/bitcoin header, magic-wand-selected the background, paint-bucketed it blue, tacked on "xt" and saved it as a jpeg
punkman: "That the community communication channels, the repositories, and any other likewise bitcoin assets, are public property and owned by the community as a whole, not any one single individual nor a very small group of people. All steps must be taken to allow full access to every individual to these assets and to reduce fully or to the absolute minimum any and all barriers to any and all access of these assets. " heh
nubbins`: oh, no, sorry. i apologize.
ascii_field: commit rights for all!
nubbins`: it's a PNG with a non-transparent background.
ascii_field: mega-pr0gr3ss
nubbins`: mis lados
punkman: kakobrekla: plz to remove assbot, the people have spoken
nubbins`: Мои стороны!
nubbins`: "we need to make this new subreddit STAT. we literally do not have 3 minutes to make a new header. take the old one and ph0t05h0p it"
nubbins`: if you didn't already realize xt was DOA
nubbins`: that header clinches it
nubbins`: this is akin to the declaration of independence being written in 18pt comic sans
nubbins`: complete with wrapping <blink></blink>
nubbins`: ahhh, the lulz.
nubbins` wipes tear
nubbins`: btc <-> xtc forex should open some interesting opportunities
nubbins`: [16:24:31] <nubbins`> bounce: the idea is you'd create a 10mb transaction sending out xtc to your buyers, in return they push small tx sending you same amount in btc
nubbins`: ^ any troo beeleevers wanna take me up on it?
nubbins`: fair trade if xtc is the future.
jurov: nubbins`: i think the derps will try to spam btc to make people switch to xtc,
jurov: thus mightily enabling the trade
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
shinohai: Careful, they might spend all the 0.05 BTC they hold per person.
ascii_field: learn to love the spam. how else is the paid relay thing supposed to happen.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field as to the later, no reason. as to the former, no idea. i suffer from the disease of all cerebral beings, of enjoying the consideration of abstract problems in no direct relation to their practical utility.
ascii_field: then aha.
ascii_field: next we do the alcubierre stardrive !
williamdunne: jurov: They've been doing so for a while
jurov: not atm
williamdunne: What we need is an exchange that will enable margin trading of btc/gbtc
williamdunne: Sorry, I meant they've been doing it previously
mircea_popescu: incidentally ascii_field mod6 kakobrekla jurov & mike_c do let me know if you'd like me to publish on trilema as "b-a's notion of a block increasing hardfork".
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:12:53; mircea_popescu: a function that, after each retarget, allows blocks as large as say 1.01x the average actual size of the blocks in the 2k batch for instance.
jurov runs to snatch bitcoinica sources
mircea_popescu: that wordpress for bitcoin "businesses".
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: imho the algo as written here is disastrously bad
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: enemy can ratchet block mass without continuously spending
ascii_field: so it is an 'amplification' situation
mircea_popescu: my position being very much like ascii_field's : not clear this is needed and dubious it's a good idea before the two get hanged. but op may disagree ? i dunno.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field how ?
ascii_field: because ratchets up
mircea_popescu: but you understand HOW it ratches up yes ?
mircea_popescu: if "enemy" holds a significant portion of the last 1% of blocks mined, how is he the enemy.
ascii_field: but the fact of the ratcheting means that $largeint (which enemy can print) can be used to shoot the storage difficulty (let's call block size this!) to the sky
ascii_field: where it will stay
williamdunne: ;;later tell pete_dushenski would you mind telling me which posts? Sorry I've not been keeping on top of scoop so much. Tryna find someone who can put up some money to get my time-sink launched
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: same problem as a hypothetical monotonically growing mining difficulty.
mircea_popescu: no it can't. every 10kb costs 2096*25 btc atm
ascii_field: which we discussed here.
mircea_popescu: 50k btc.
ascii_field: aha but he only has to fill the blocks to the brim for a finite timespan, to result in forever heavier max size
ascii_field: which COSTS me even if not filled
ascii_field: because now i can't use 1MB antifuse roms, etc.
mircea_popescu: well, it only costs you if not filled onlyt if tyou biutcoinfs
mircea_popescu: otherwise it costs you like the first blk0001 cost you 500gb
jurov: i had an idea based on fees/volume (increase only when that ratio gets outrageous) but first waiting to see what actually happens
ascii_field: but overall i just don't see this future where mega-blocks are a necessary thing
ascii_field: all the world's bullion transfers, if written out as a log, would they even fill 1MB in a year?
mircea_popescu: it IS technically possible we still see technological progress.
ascii_field: much less 10min
mircea_popescu: yes, actually, they would.
mircea_popescu: do you imagine this bullion thing as it "Should be" or do you have direct experience ?
ascii_field not qualified to answer!
ascii_field: hence asked others.
mircea_popescu: because one hour i spent in the ro vault, which is a tiny affair, saw three transfers underway.
ascii_field: can we 'fermi method' ?
mircea_popescu: i would guess there's to the tune of 1mn interbank PM physical transfers a year worldwide. i don't think i'm qualified to answer either, but i will swear to your benefit the real figuree's closer to 1mn than 1k no prob.
ascii_field: how many such vaults on planet 3? how many unique users? how often transact?
mircea_popescu: > 1k vaults and > 100 users.
ascii_field: hence user id ('address') is less than 7 bits !
mircea_popescu: sometimes they sell and sometimes they buy on mkt tho. with delivery.
ascii_field: qty (grams) - perhaps 32
mircea_popescu: nah, qty is eight or so types of standard bars.
mircea_popescu: nobody weighs.
ascii_field: then 3 bit.
mircea_popescu: no, 8 * word.
ascii_field: ah if tx is arbitrary knapsacking of n bar types, then yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.00073262 = 60.8807 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the paperwork has to be, anyway.
williamdunne: 0.0007 wao
ascii_field: and of course i was thinking only of transactions where physical motion of bars takes place
ascii_field: (settlement)
mircea_popescu: it's not called settlement, it's called delivery. settlement is sitting down and agreeing the paperwork.
ascii_field thought it was called 'settlement' when two hawaladars or equiv. zero out their tally by finally moving the gold (plutonium, etc)
mircea_popescu: irl, settlement's a paperwoirk affair and actual delivery is much disconsidered. as a token of the fact that everyone involved would muchly want reality to match their representation to the degree of absolute identity. so they desconsider the later.
mircea_popescu: delivery and washing dishes are in about the same esteem.
ascii_field: mega-unsurprise
mircea_popescu: "stupid things stupid people tend to be preoccupied with".
mircea_popescu: "they're not smart, like us, to let their cognitive wings spread free in the intergalactic voids of abstraction"
mircea_popescu: racist shit like that.
ascii_field: until deliverocalypse like stalin's 'spain will see the gold like it will see own ears without mirror' or usg's equiv. for de, etc.
mircea_popescu: iirc that was ro's gold. whence did spain even have an ygold.
ascii_field: republic
mircea_popescu: yea... ?
ascii_field: !s moscow gold
assbot: 0 results for 'moscow gold' :
ascii_field: ;;google moscow gold
gribble: Moscow gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Stalin and the Spanish Civil War - Gutenberg-e Home: <>; The story of the Moscow gold: How the Spanish war was lost: <>
mircea_popescu: interesting.
mircea_popescu: no wonder the regime lived ok for a while lol.
mircea_popescu: how much was this supposed to be ?
ascii_field: 'Stalin had his eye on the Spanish gold because Spain had a mother lode of it. This was owing to the fact that twenty years prior, Spain had been neutral in World War I. During that war, Spain exported so much to the belligerents, without being able to buy in return, that it stacked up foreign exchange and turned it in for gold. The same thing had happened across the neutral nations, from Argentina to Holland to the
ascii_field: United States.'
mircea_popescu: aha. the argentines well squandered it meanwhile.
mircea_popescu: that explains it anyway, spain's got no gold in the ground.
mircea_popescu: but to get back to the ratchet thing : it is both impossible and a very stupid idea to have freefixing for bitcoin block size. because the network is trivial to disrupt when it comes to mining difficulty (by design and deliberately), it will guaranteedly be moved down to 0 over time and the defense's necessarily too expensive.
mircea_popescu: having a freefloating system is in fact breaking a fundamental design promise bitcoin made when it introduced mining,
mircea_popescu: and is the exact equivalent of shitting in the plate.
ascii_field: freefixing ?
mircea_popescu: so a ratchet is necessarily, and indisputably, and by unfixable design the only way to do that.
mircea_popescu: as in, goes up or down.
mircea_popescu: this given, the design proposed is a) expensive to abuse and b) self-limiting, in that the larger you make the blocks, the more you have to fill.
mircea_popescu: and by fill we mean a very strict "fill".
ascii_field: what the hell is wrong with 1MB-until-heat-death-of-universe ?
ascii_field: not like you could maintain a single blockchain over astronomical distances, either
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing that point, i already conceded i have nfi.
ascii_field: but it brings interesting gedankenexperiment: picture the usual mars colony
mircea_popescu: yes each planet must have its own local bitcoin necessarily.
mircea_popescu: because of c.
mircea_popescu: and yes it makes the future worth seeing now. /me hopes to oneday trade marscoin for venuscoin.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: << the best argument i can come up with, after some searching, is "we will need to find a real value. we have a current value, which works, but about which we know for a fact is not too large. therefore, it might be the case it's too small."
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mircea_popescu: this is a purely theoretical notion.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 19:24:23; mircea_popescu: incidentally ascii_field mod6 kakobrekla jurov & mike_c do let me know if you'd like me to publish on trilema as "b-a's notion of a block increasing hardfork".
ascii_field: kakobrekla: see thread. it was a monotonic-grow ratchet thing
mircea_popescu: the entirety of this is "if people actually really really want to see it growing", no more.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the reason i consider ratcheting (and, ergo, growing at all) blocks to be a situation of 'enemy can deal more damage than he has to pay for' is that even if people pay per kB, ~actual machines are pots of finite depth~
ascii_field: which means, he can spend $fixint and now ~no pogo is guaranteed to work~
mircea_popescu: i can certainly see the argument in this structural sense.
mircea_popescu: just... whence will they scare up enough txn to keep filling up thousdands of large blocks ?
kakobrekla: so the load Atlas has to carry will be determined by miners instead of code.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, by code evaluating the mining.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field let us calculate the actual case of the pogo, shall we ? as an exercise, mostl;y for my own edification.
kakobrekla: yes i understand this is a play on diff algo.
mircea_popescu: let's start with some assumptions : that as is, pogos can survive for 2 years before they fill. that if blocks were to be made 2mb, they'd survive 1 year instead.
mircea_popescu: whoops... takes more than two years to make it 2mb anyway. problem solved.
mircea_popescu: what else ?
ascii_field: not how it works
ascii_field: it is already close to the edge of keeps-up-in-realtime
ascii_field: contains 1 cpu core
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla in that sense iot's a step above the "magic number" stuff. not much, admittedly.
ascii_field: so no parallelization (which we don't even have yet) helps
mircea_popescu: ascii_field looky : blocks would only stay full if needed full. so our pogo is a piece of shit in that case, you can't expect them to accomodate us.
mircea_popescu: you know ?
ascii_field: nah but they don't need to stay full
mircea_popescu: how so ?
ascii_field: because the anus stretches, so to speak
mircea_popescu: the max anus stretches.
mircea_popescu: if you end up with 2k actually full bloicks and the state is now 1010000 bytes, you still can have blocks 50kb
ascii_field: if it becomes possible to have blocks that selectively disable, e.g., pogo, enemy has a useful new capability.
mircea_popescu: and your pogo will catch up.
mircea_popescu: well if, but i don't see it so far. build a scenario.
ascii_field: but they fall behind ~en masse~
ascii_field: which is exploitable
mircea_popescu: looky, a fixed cpu situation will always yield this problem
mircea_popescu: this, we signed up for when we decided "buried box".
ascii_field: not if the capacity exceeds any legal block's weight.
ascii_field: hence why buried box is a-ok today.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne here plox.
williamdunne: Do you have any advice you would be willing to share on raising small amounts of money for bitcoin projects, that doesn't come from VCs?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i suppose it doesn't JUST pose problems for bitcoinfs.
jurov: williamdunne: advertise them here?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne write something about puppies make a post on social media with links to your "campaign" ? offer things on bitcointalk ? convince me to list on mpex ? i dunno dood, you're too vague to be helped yet.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: step 1) create small side project that takes user funds, step 2) advertise on bitcointalk, step 3) steal monies for actual project?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field still, i tell you i don't see it. if the bitcoin userbase legitimately makes > 1mb of txn every 10 minutes, and if the miners are willing to indulge them and mine to the degree the ratchet kicks in, seems at best disingenuous to say "you can't do that because pogos".
mircea_popescu: the whole pogo thing was a few k's. this thing is k's of btc
ascii_field: it is but one example.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne uh. mno ? what IS the project, that's where it starts.
trinque: williamdunne: write it up, and rewrite for a damned long time.. or if it's code prototype it so you aren't just selling handjobs and smiles
jurov: williamdunne: you remember indiancandy? "but i want money!!!!"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: basic problem is that the beneficiaries of bigger-block are not paying for the cost of cannot-have-buried-node
mircea_popescu: generally it's "the proof i am smart enough to have small projects is i nthe pudding of how i have enough money laying around to invest in them". it's how people get redecoration done and their hobbies financed.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: hence it is fundamentally a socialistatron
mircea_popescu: ascii_field of course they are ? they're after all teh bitcoin users.
nubbins`: pogoplug node operators 2 years from now:
williamdunne: An exchange, as per previous mentions. Unfortunately though it will have KYC so mabbeh less interesting for people on #b-a, ofc that's for ya'll to decide
williamdunne: jurov: Did she ever return
mircea_popescu: williamdunne so call up nsa, tell them "hey, i'm another derpy kid trying to suck of your tit, send me 10k ?"
ascii_field: williamdunne: if i want to send money to usg, i can send it straight to usg
mircea_popescu: they'll refuse, and in that you'll know what the demand for more kyc bitcoin "Exchanges" is.
mircea_popescu: they're currently at a loss keeping all the ones they already have fed.
jurov: ;;seen indiancandy
gribble: indiancandy was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 6 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <indiancandy> find nickserver
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: who's this nick guy anyway.
trinque: ;;seen indiancandy1
gribble: indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <indiancandy1> erm
trinque: chick can't keep it together
trinque: ;;seen indiancandy2
gribble: I have not seen indiancandy2.
trinque: lol
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jurov: williamdunne: where you got the idea another KYC exchange will make any profit?
williamdunne: jurov: There is an existing market that is missing a few areas, even within the section that is willing to undergo KYC
jurov: such as?
punkman: and why work on it before you have your own funding or someone else's
mircea_popescu: women also miss tits on their shoulderblades. it impedes proper tango, but it might have good reasons behind it.
mircea_popescu: punkman he's young, gotta work or something or go nuts.
jurov: punkman: that's actually the only way
trinque: if it's software wtf do you need funding for?
trinque: office chairs and lattes?
mircea_popescu: an exchange is software now ?
jurov: lol let him talk about the missing tits
williamdunne: punkman: Had funding, one of the other companies they invested in when tits up and so they decided to withdraw support from all financial services companies they invested in. 10/10. My fault for not securing a deal where that wouldn't happen
mircea_popescu: nah, i'm sure that's valuable ip.
trinque: mircea_popescu: figured he could write his trade engine thing and then demo that, but sure, it's probably the smallest part
mircea_popescu: williamdunne don't be too hard on self. it's unlikley they'd have signed for actual deal.
trinque: but if he doesn't have the money to provide for the financial aspects, kinda leads to "why bother"
mircea_popescu: trinque there's tons of people who coudl demo a trade engine. including a bunch of people actually in the business, providing all the fx doods etc.
mircea_popescu: heck, someone came to 1st conference to demo an engine.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: We'd already spent a bunch of their money. It's left them with no equity so slightly stranger
williamdunne: trinque: Engine isn't too complicated, that'd be pointless
mircea_popescu: williamdunne 80% of deals work out exactly like that irl.
mircea_popescu: you get some backup, they die out, end up with some money invested in you written off.
mircea_popescu: (if you're an engineer trying to solve an engineering problem of some kind, i mean)
ascii_field: << ~= >> 'there is an existing market that is missing a few areas, such as anal-rape-with-hedgehog, even within the section that is willing to undergo anal-rape-with-cactus'
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:07:29; williamdunne: jurov: There is an existing market that is missing a few areas, even within the section that is willing to undergo KYC
williamdunne: Well at least I'm not in a lonely club.
williamdunne: ascii_field: Why would you assume that the difference is in the KYC methods used?
mircea_popescu: he has an inflammatory reaction to particular three letter strings.
trinque: williamdunne: my point was simply that "I could X as long as I find a rich guy that wants to help" isn't much of a strategy, much less so if you can't demonstrate upon meeting said rich guy that you can execute
mircea_popescu: !up relaxedman
jurov: the rape can be KYC-unrelated
punkman: williamdunne: well tell us what it is then
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the entirety of this is "if people actually really really want to see it growing", no more. << interesting idea, but unless *we* want to see it grow I don't see point of writing it up yet.
williamdunne: punkman: Primarily targeting margin in non-USD, and larger bucket of currencies to trade in
mircea_popescu: oh come the fuck on.
mircea_popescu: "i have an idea for a us tv network - primarily targetting spanish daytime soaps and more languages programming".
ascii_field: mike_c: i very much see the ratcheting increase as an 'enemy-can-spend-fixing to cost-me-fixint-multipled-by-forever'
ascii_field: *spend-fixint
mircea_popescu: the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo.
ascii_field: being-able-to-accept-bigger-block COSTS ME
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you understand this is exactly life ?
mircea_popescu: like, your gf can suck your cock to stick you with her offspring * forever ?
ascii_field: and we want to reimplement this ?
mircea_popescu: it was very fucking successful irl.
trinque: life's doing pretty well, on balance
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: more successful than the pyramids.
relaxedman: Still trying to get this gentoo install going(openbsd wouldn't support my gfx card no money to buy a new one) its n6, varia, but stuck on getting a window manager all the guides want me to change profiles. also not sure how wayland fits in any ideas?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Eh, while you might think that a fair number of the people I spoke to disagreed.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if objective is 'make a river of meat' then sure. if trying to accomplish something more interesting? not so much
mircea_popescu: williamdunne any of them senior regulators / senior officials / anything other than people you met at a conference that hadn't got there on a first class ticket they bought and with two personal cocksuckers and a chef ?
nubbins`: relaxedman a window what?
punkman: relaxedman: you know, there are linux channels/forums for such questions
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i dun have any objective whatsoever here. i am merely surveying a field.
mircea_popescu: btcdrak ya it was i nthe logs.
btcdrak: oh I am still voiced
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Mostly the speculating crowd. Not people from #b-a or anything
mircea_popescu: you only need to revoice if you dc.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i get it. but i was trying to illustrate how allowing anyone to make the sphincter permanently dilate by spending a fixed cost gets you into 'amplification vulnerability'
mircea_popescu: williamdunne your main enemy is this crowd of people who agree and encourage to make friends. they can be very damaging.
mircea_popescu: so take stuff with a grain of salt.
relaxedman: nubbins`: like gnome or xfce. punkman yea I know. using the foundations guide and it stops before I can get anything installed.
nubbins`: whoosh
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
williamdunne: Ofc.. but none of them were looking to make friends afaik. There was one person from #b-a interested but that's from a different angle
mircea_popescu: ascii_field this, as a principle, is in no way argued against. it is exactly true. the proposal is that as restrained, it would not be harmful.
williamdunne: Initially they were all pretty hostile
mircea_popescu: williamdunne you tried pitching at one of the incubators you got there ?
mircea_popescu: must be at least a dozen in london by now, i lost count.
williamdunne: Probably more. It was at one of the incubators we got our last investor.. sour taste in my mouth
nubbins`: williamdunne understand this is like "i have a new business idea: an e-business!" in 1992
mircea_popescu: one is no sort of sample.
mircea_popescu: you either go to ALL or you're not a man.
mircea_popescu: then write a blogpost to defray your mental costs with it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the other thing is, with 1MB btcfs, can ~rationally plan~ construction of buried node for the future
mircea_popescu: so you can, yes.
ascii_field: removing this is a COST and is inflicted on node operators for no benefit to them.
ascii_field: ergo socialistatron.
mircea_popescu: mno, iot' a cost inflicted on the network, at a possible benefit to it
ascii_field: where 'gimme value' 'why' 'because fuckyou'
mircea_popescu: which all we have trouble quantifying.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators
mircea_popescu: you understand how science is done yes williamdunne ? you form a theory to test. you go test it. systematically. you either come to a conclusion which precludes further testing, FOR REASONS, or you keep on going.
punkman: williamdunne: you could probably drive around europe pitching to 100 different incubators
punkman: bang some sluts along the way
mircea_popescu: intellectual discipline is not an academic ideal. it's a way of life.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i'm still in search of this gedankenbenefit that outweights 'you can't pour nodes into concrete any more, ever'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "you can have more paying txn". you ever kept shop, ascii_field ?
nubbins`: i don't think that banging sluts is a thing that someone who is driving around europe going to /incubators/ is doing
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why not mix incubation with incubation!
ascii_field: why not morepaying-transactions instead ?
nubbins`: because before you know it he's taking another look at the intubators
mircea_popescu: the reason i ask if you kept shop, ascii_field, is the following :
mircea_popescu: if you have a shop, which is your own, which holds a merchandise, which is your own, which is in demand, which is not your own,
mircea_popescu: you run into the following (purely saccounting, and thus purely psychogenic) problem :
mircea_popescu: if i sell at 10, i will sell 10, and make a profit of 100, and the remainder 90 will be worth 9k.
mircea_popescu: if i sell at 20, will sell 1, and make a profit of 20, and the remaindert will be worth 20k.
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense and a broken way to do business.
ascii_field: because 'worth' aha
ascii_field: aha, that is where the bug is
mircea_popescu: the sword of "socialistatron" cuts many ways.
ascii_field might be thick, isn't certain how this theorem applies here
mircea_popescu: obviously making larger blocks has a cost, yes.
mircea_popescu: but it is certainly possible, and byu some analyses likely, that your option is either a) you sell 1 mb at 1 per byte, or else b) you sell 1.3 mb at 1.1 per byte.
mircea_popescu: this, economically, is not nonsense.
mircea_popescu: because of the network effects it can in point of fact be the case that each byte in the 1.3 thing is worth more than in the 1.0 thing.
ascii_field: my contention was that just having this creates a demolition button for the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: this is the balance of the sane part of the "increase block size" side.
mircea_popescu: it MIGHT. obviously.
nubbins`: just as likely it'll push smallies out of the picture
mircea_popescu: and the sum total of what i said is, of all the approaches considered i've seen, none includes a fucking cap over that button.
mircea_popescu: like a bit of plastic to prevent falling cows from pushing it
ascii_field: what is a byte in a demolished (perma-usgized) blockchain worth ?
mircea_popescu: this is a meaningless question. it can no longer be valued.
mircea_popescu: you will note howevere, that while any particular political organisation may be opposed,
ascii_field: ergo a blockchain without the button is inescapably worth more than one with
mircea_popescu: politics per se may not.
mircea_popescu: i am not persuaded by that proposition.
nubbins`: a few people stand around a sack on the ground, figuring out what to do with it. one fatso says "i want to put so many things inside that only i can carry it around!"
mircea_popescu: if this were the case, trains without an emergency brake would be worth more than trains with.
mircea_popescu: they are not, and i can't stand the us trend of taking out the brake in question.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: trains without bomb are worth more
ascii_field: (unless selling bombs)
mircea_popescu: if your train goes through "brain worm" alien land, you want the bomb.
mircea_popescu: it's not so clear cut, my dear alfie.
ascii_field: thing is, i don't get the whole concept of having any sympathy whatsoever for 'needs moar room' when 100% of everyone making this argument is either usg shill or their useful idiots
jurov: btw, if pouring pogos to concrete, any hard drive you'll use will wear down in few years
ascii_field: jurov: not antifuse!
mircea_popescu: i don't either. was not discussing the present day politics of it at all. merely, the principle of the matter.
jurov: there's gigabyte antifuse prom?
mircea_popescu: not afaik.
ascii_field: jurov: not afaik. but nothing prevents it from being constructed
mircea_popescu: but sure, could be. just like there could be useful cpu that's passive cooled. sometime.
ascii_field: if mircea_popescu wants one, can have
mircea_popescu: "sea water!"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'zoolag' is passively cooled
mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field is it also buried ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: no, room temp
trinque: I apologize for interrupting, but just for posterity: the gentoo guide and my script were not so people could like, you know, be cool without having to learn anything. my script for example *IS MEANT TO BE READ AND EDITED*
mircea_popescu: yousee wqhat i mean.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo. << The do it on cable, call it Univision.
ascii_field: though would work fine if buried ~4 metres
ascii_field: where i live
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah. not stellar sales iethe.r
ascii_field: would need fins
nubbins`: trinque consider it posteriorized?
trinque: nubbins`: wassat
mircea_popescu: when you put it on a juicy derriere
trinque: lol
trinque: sorry I ever linked the thing, christ
danielpbarron is stuck at the "burn a dvd" step
trinque: shinohai: not @ you ftr
mircea_popescu: trinque lol chillax man.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:33:50; mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit.
mircea_popescu: << why own it when you could, like, talk about it.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 15:31:58; thestringpuller: ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world.
shinohai: trinque: no worries, I had to edit it to get it to run xD
trinque: look at how it's written; that was intentional
trinque: you're supposed to open the thing and say oh, I want to change the make.conf/lilo.conf/whatever
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for instance : blocks come from the mempool, mostly. when a new block is presented, the thing checks all sigs. but it had already checked most of them for mempool.
ascii_field: this yes
mircea_popescu: ianae, but i think the lemon could be squeezed by an actual expert.
shinohai: well, most people will just blindly execute scripts they download from teh interwebz
ascii_field: BUT you still gotta verify that it is the same!
ascii_field: as the one previously checked in mempool
ascii_field: and this costs cycles.
mircea_popescu: not as many tho
ascii_field: and ram
ascii_field: gotta store'em
ascii_field: using hash where it was not used before also creates incentive to collide
mircea_popescu: but once we get a sane allocator for pool, like discussed here, you can add the hash.
mircea_popescu: mayhap add salt in config file.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i am not prepared to defend this technically. i just have a manager's eye is all.
ascii_field: not a wholly bad idea imho
thestringpuller: make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/thestringpuller/real_bitcoin/rotor/buildroot-2015.05/output/build/host-gcc-initial-4.9.2/build/gcc'
thestringpuller: make[1]: *** [all-gcc] Error 2
thestringpuller: ^^^ ascii_field you ever get something like this
ascii_field: but the overall theme of thread from my pov was 'just because you can't quantify a cost worth shit, doesn't make it zero'
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: gotta post whole log !
thestringpuller: (when running
thestringpuller: what part?
ascii_field: this is not a usable dump
ascii_field: all of it!
thestringpuller: it's long
thestringpuller: but okay
mircea_popescu: dpaste yo
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 15:47:21; shinohai: Somehow that seems just as bad as real 2-factor auth
mircea_popescu: << ahaha epic. "why roll dice when you can go pvp!"
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 16:13:57; thestringpuller: maybe when eulora has combat we'll see that
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 17:07:38; kakobrekla: < i added 'kindergarten' mode for him
thestringpuller: dpaste is really not liking this
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seems it doesn't have enough colors maybe ? i get whole fields of multiple; speakers same color.
shinohai: Somewhere today I saw it written "There is no killer app for bitcoin yet" ... why does bitcoin need an app?
mircea_popescu: << and just in case any criminals want to submit the same documents, they can have access too!
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:01:31; danielpbarron: >> Consider keeping Dropbox folders on your computer that match up with everything so you can easily reference everything. This way, your most important documents are backed up and ready to share when needed.
mircea_popescu: shinohai the writer's head does.
ascii_field: << one of the things i know with great certainty, but cannot formally prove, is that 'fuzzy' passwords are a crock of shit
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:40:54; mircea_popescu: << in that it's the same idea ?
ascii_field: which is to say, either it is so 'fuzzy' that bruteforce is trivial, or it is narrow enough to make it non-repeatable
thestringpuller: ascii_field: << that's a third of it do you need more?
ascii_field: (you will ~never~ get exactly same waveform into the microphone, etc)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field how about "natura non facit saltus" ?
mircea_popescu: the fact that life exists on earth is, to me, proof that "fuzzy passwords" are a crock.
ascii_field: tell it to electron!
mircea_popescu: life exists exactly because they aren't passwords.
ascii_field: non facit saltus my arse
mircea_popescu: and the fact that life exists continually proves they're really very bad passwords.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "natura" in there is "the immediately observable", not the subatomic. there's a reason cardano rng uses electrons not whores moaning.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: there is this whole fiction called 'n-factor authentication' (various values of n, typically 2)
mircea_popescu: yes yes.
BingoBoingo: In other news one interview for one job today seemed to go meh, the other job's interview seemed to go well. Hoping I can get that regular fiat income to start standing up srs noedz
mircea_popescu: gl to you BingoBoingo !
ascii_field: thestringpuller: looks like an oomkill to me
mircea_popescu: << they are both uninteresting and late. the actual thing is old, and at
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:24:30; shinohai: The XT constitution LOL >>>
ascii_field: thestringpuller: what were you building ~on~ ?
mircea_popescu: need to creative more, these creative types.
mircea_popescu: not to even talk of the revolutionary.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I was thinking about the declaration when I saw that.
mircea_popescu: << yeah. a fascinatiuon with this is why every single file on any of the scene participants in the original warez flourish were .rar
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:32:48; punkman: oh it does? didn't know that
trinque: hey, btw. if someone cnames to I'll make that link in the declaration work again.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: building on AWS should I increase memory footprint size?
mircea_popescu: it never found any utility, whcih is why you've not heard of either except in the way one hears of the once great hittite empire
ascii_field: thestringpuller: try building on a computer ..?
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:37:20; danielpbarron: the whole piece reads to me like "this is how to be good obiedient tax cattle"
mircea_popescu: given that the alternative is "raise an army", and given that "iof you raise an army, might as well sell the captured women into slavery and cultivate poppies", people who don't particularly like the sight of moaning, chained women and heroin addicts have little choice.
trinque: kakobrekla: pls to cname to ?
assbot: Ethereum, Nuclear Research and Avoiding Decentralized Cancer — Medium ... ( )
wilbns: the event anyone would like to read.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: i did and it worked. lemme try with more memory
mircea_popescu: << yueah they're going for that entire "we're the new doge - a currency for redditards" thing. which... is fine.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:45:12; nubbins`: it looks like they literally copied the /r/bitcoin header, magic-wand-selected the background, paint-bucketed it blue, tacked on "xt" and saved it as a jpeg
mircea_popescu will temporarily suspend his disdain for medium to read this one. lettuce see.
wilbns: haha
BingoBoingo: At least Heroin addicts are, or at least before Narcan were a self cleaning problem.
mircea_popescu: wilbns on what is this einstein reference based, other than "it'd be cool" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they don't drag their lifeless, smelly corpses to a hole and pour anhudrous calcium carbonate on themselves. do they.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They don't need to other heroin addicts do that for them, until it is the next batches "turn"
BingoBoingo: Heroin addicts isn't a plural of things. It is a singular system
wilbns: mircea_popescu: it's regarding the idea of a hypothesis, theorem, manifesting it self later on down in the line the form of something else, not necessarily positive
mats: rar is still in use today
mats: by scene
mircea_popescu: wilbns but necessarily large.
mircea_popescu: which i fail to see. anyway.
wilbns: ah, ok
wilbns: didn't write about it, but was thinking about Louis Slotin for example - - who accidentally irradiated himself when doing nuclear research
assbot: Louis Slotin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
assbot: IRS says cyberattacks more extensive than previously thought| Reuters ... ( )
trinque: they're going to get plenty of reuse out of that headline
danielpbarron: >> For anyone residing in the United States, Ether tokens, since they have an implied fiat value and can be bought or sold with digital assets, like Bitcoin, fall under IRS 2014-21.
wilbns: thinking about how 15 million in crowdfunding could get irradiated if not careful in determing market fit w/ ethereum
mircea_popescu: wilbns so outright i see the following problem : you discuss ethereum at the maximal outskirts of what its proponents presnet it as. this is not unlike taking a ponzi schemer's "idea" and pretending it would be a central bank, then discussing how "it regulates financial flows". rank nonsense.
punkman: "status quote" I lol'd
mircea_popescu: might as well take a discussion of "dilution is medicine" and write a sci-fi work about how a universe with this would look like.
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing is exactly what the scammers involved want.
mircea_popescu: "The first dimension of this complexity is that the area of law, in itself, is generally based on legal precedence" << no. it is based on precedent.
wilbns: punkman: thanks, missed that one
mircea_popescu: precedence is when one thing goes above another. precedent is when one thing goes before another. do not mix.
wilbns: mircea_popescu: thanks, i missed that, too
mircea_popescu: you ever read the gpg contracts article on trilema ?
BingoBoingo: If ethereum ever entirely works as promised plan on x86 ring-0 exploits routinely becoming parts of "contracts"
danielpbarron: wilbns, you should also read this one ->
assbot: The death of taxes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
wilbns: cool, i will - and check out the gpg contracts article
mircea_popescu: you probably should, from this paragraph i notice you'd enjoy it. moreover, here's your "one word" example :
assbot: Our Emperor, deliver us. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: it is the exact example case you wish for your argument, and it's a pity to not reference it (especially because it connotes not-done-homework for they in the actual know as to the topics you discuss re law and precedent etc)
mircea_popescu concludes that medium articles with b-a present authors, while not necessarily better, at least provide one the perhaps void feeling of having done something for the future.
wilbns: ah, yes - that's a good link
wilbns: that's what i was thinking
BingoBoingo: <gribble> New rating | rg > -10 > maidak | owes me $10k << from the other WoT's scroll
kakobrekla: < quite limited to light colors so its picking randomly from that color space - i thought i made it so it wont repeat colors, will check.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:44:13; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seems it doesn't have enough colors maybe ? i get whole fields of multiple; speakers same color.
wilbns: re: medium, the reason i use that space is because hopefully something i write will be of some use to somehow who can do something positive with it later - if i just stick it on my blog it then i doubt anyone will ever seen it, barring a contextual keyword phrase match
kakobrekla: right now it picks colors randomly each time, had also a variant of making color from hash of the nick. if that is preferred.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Gotta remember MP only sees about a third of all colors, but the colors he sees are pink
mircea_popescu: and the problem with the children doing things they don't understand goes way deeper. proplly also interesting.
assbot: Bitcoin is creating a whole new set of problems on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hater!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla actually 6 btes from the nick hash -> color seems ideal to me.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You said as much when discussing BitBet colors and the gray side and the blue side
wilbns: wow i'm really having a problem typing. i think the word and type something else.
wilbns: somehow, someone
mircea_popescu: i am just differently able colorwise BingoBoingo ! check your privilege!
jurov: kakobrekla: consider using few other bits to color a text slightly, too
BingoBoingo: Hey, I just observate. Now nubbins' is an actual color shitlord.
mircea_popescu: wilbns the plantform choiuce is not a crime, i just am a very hateful soul.
mike_c: williamdunne: whether or not you can find an investor shouldn't be the determining factor of whether or not you start the business.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, you can just add your link to the scoopbot here.
punkman: mike_c: wut
mike_c: do you have any reasonable plan for beating the umpteen existing exchanges? or any idea of what their problems are?
mircea_popescu: which, i wager, is 90% of the useful reaction you've received on it anyway
wilbns: mircea_popescu: ok :)
mike_c: of course you can find someone to give you some money. doesn't mean you should waste your time doing it.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is this in the line of "whether you can find a woman or not shoul;d nopt be the determining factor in whether you start a family" ?
mike_c: yes.
mircea_popescu: isn't it rank nonsense ?
mike_c: no! just because you can find a woman doesn't mean you should start popping out babies.
mircea_popescu: i did not say THAT
trinque: wat; it was the other way round
mike_c: you're all telling him how to get money when you should be telling him to stop trying.
mike_c: and come up with a better idea.
mircea_popescu: honestly, not really.
kakobrekla switched to nick-hash for color
mike_c: well, you know
kakobrekla: is this ok?
mike_c: not like you're responsible for him.
mircea_popescu: i just told him how to approach a problem correectly is all
kakobrekla: also if you are on TN, stfu.
mike_c: yeah, I just wanted to add the additional advice of - just because you *can* find an investor doesn't mean you should.
mike_c: if your time is worth anything.
mircea_popescu: aha. myeah.
mircea_popescu: i think one needs to be thirty first, honestly.
mircea_popescu: before that makes any sense.
mircea_popescu: twentyyearolds should fuck all available holes.
mike_c: that is probably true.
mircea_popescu: (which also means "a 20yos time is NOT worth anything")
jurov: mike_c it was clear he did not want input on the idea, but only on the investor
jurov: kakobrekla: plz to use perceptually uniform color space instead
jurov: jkjk
mircea_popescu: jurov stop trying to get people to tell you their ideas to steal them then!
kakobrekla: trinque done
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38240 @ 0.00075618 = 28.9163 BTC [+]
mike_c: yes, he is misguided. I didn't mean to criticize the room, just try to offer him an additional viewpoint.
trinque: kakobrekla: thank you sir; I'll change the URL generation on my end to match the previous links
mike_c: kakobrekla: please change all the colors again, they aren't my favorite.
mircea_popescu: yeah my yellow sucks
mircea_popescu: i'm, not yeller!
kakobrekla: you are not even yellow.
mike_c: i hatez all the colors
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone know what good paprika is ?
mircea_popescu: the sort that sat and fermented for a while ?
punkman: trinque should make deedbot accept signed colours which assbot will use to colour the logs!
mircea_popescu: like tobacco ?
trinque: kakobrekla: I would like to invest all my doge in your logs hosting shartup
trinque: punkman: pls no bully
jurov: kakobrekla: realy, it's okay, i like ;)
mike_c: kakobrekla: j/k :) the pastels are beautiful.
shinohai: lol doge wut
mike_c: and actually, looks better now, more contrast.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, he has it : nice job.
jurov: riiight, i dream of KYC-enablement all the time
mike_c: somebody gotta get mircea enchroma for xmas
mircea_popescu: what is this ?
assbot: EnChroma | Color For The Color Blind ... ( )
mircea_popescu: i'm, not blind i just can't see
shinohai: Does this make me look gaaaaaaaaaay?
mircea_popescu: sorry, someone had to tell you.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
jurov: just a check: what colors are peanuts? a) brown b) green c) other color
punkman: I think it'd be easier on the eyes if it only coloured the names
ascii_field: idk about this 'enchroma', but i got the opposite: my 'eizo' lcd panels have a button that selectably simulates two types of colour blindness...
BingoBoingo: jurov: If fried they better be green. If roasted, brown.
jurov: BingoBoingo: what?
assbot: Colorblind redditors shocked to learn that peanut butter isn't green ... ( )
BingoBoingo: jurov: You've never had fried or stewed peanuts as an accompanyment to catfish?
mircea_popescu: i see peanuts green
jurov: BingoBoingo: nope
punkman: mircea_popescu: and pistachios?
mircea_popescu: i am colorblind, but it's not exactly the common version.
mircea_popescu: ever since kindergarten ppl thought i'm jus fucking with them
BingoBoingo: jurov: You are missing out. Great "Southern" dish. Pull up the peanut plant before the nuts brown and they cook delicious. Just don't keep well green so it a sort of necessarily local delicacy to places that can grow peanuts.
assbot: Color Blindness Test | EnChroma ... ( )
ascii_field took the test, is pretty sure he hallucinated digits where there were none, but the only output was 'normal'
assbot: Checking your bits ... ( )
trinque: ascii_field: heh, and yet they still tell you to buy the glasses
ascii_field: 'enhance colour' !!1111
ascii_field cannot comment re: this tool
BingoBoingo would not be surprised if alf was the incredibly rate tetrochromat
BingoBoingo: *rare male tetrochromat
ascii_field: devil knows
ascii_field: but i do suffer from sensory strange - e.g., can see flicker at 120hz display, dithering, etc
BingoBoingo: Who truly would without giving Satan you precious SNPs
ascii_field: (and hear far past 22khz)
ascii_field: these 'muscles' are good for very little, sadly.
BingoBoingo: And not a single XT block mined so far
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00075618 = 54.8987 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> (and hear far past 22khz) << Could be useful for steganography targeted to dogs
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: ever use a heterodyne headphone ?
BingoBoingo: Not to my knowledge
ascii_field: tool for listening beyond normal auditory range
ascii_field: uses beat freq. to bring signal down
ascii_field: rattling keys sounds like church bells, etc.
BingoBoingo: Ah, not in a long time
ascii_field: used to be a common n00b electronics project
assbot: Do Some People Have a 4th Retinal Cone? ... ( )
BingoBoingo doesn't have the greatest hearing. Pretty sure tuba is too blame.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 21:52:05; ascii_field: << lulzy
kakobrekla: by 'expert in neuromarketing'
kakobrekla: is that even a word?
wyrdmantis: <--- a fucking war starting over?
assbot: - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( )
assbot: Bitcoin CEO Arrested On £250m Fraud Charges - Pars Herald ... ( )
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> by 'expert in neuromarketing' << It's been trendy is USia for about 6 years now. Basically Psychologist who took a couple bsns classes
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Or the reverse
BingoBoingo: ^neuromarketing
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
assbot: Mike owns a little more than 100 BTC. What incentive do the other Bitcoin Core developers have to improve the system? : bitcoinxt ... ( )
punkman: 100btc, such stake
jurov: dunno why it evoked imagery of a wallet with public key outside, private key inside of foreskin
ascii_field: kakobrekla: well he did say 'hardfork'
ascii_field: hence altcoin
jurov: 0.5.3 forever
assbot: I No Longer Have Any Trust In The Nest Protect - Phoronix ... ( )
kakobrekla: since when do we care for that?
assbot: I No Longer Have Any Trust In The Nest Protect - Phoronix Forums ... ( )
BingoBoingo: " This post is Michael Larabel's greatest contribution to Linux. "
mircea_popescu: well the enchroma website test does not work, becausew being "made in the usa" they gotta be all fucktarded and wrap it all in js and whatnot
mircea_popescu: couldn't just fucking put a bunch of pics up and go "this one is 9 thius one is 5"
ascii_field: i can picture the conversation
ascii_field: with mba 'pointy boss'
ascii_field: 'how will we keep folks from lifting this test'
ascii_field: monkey: 'js obfuscator'
ascii_field: boss: -snorts coke-
mircea_popescu: " We thank everybody for sharing their perception as together we will make new findings."
kakobrekla: that womans text is downright insulting.
mircea_popescu: << the best part is the sexually aroused duck lordosis-ing before the animal
ascii_field: 'once you go' walrus 'you never go back' ?
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell williamdunne << just these i think. few days back.
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 00:54:18; pete_dushenski: since scoopbot_revived seems to have been asleep at the wheel earlier today :
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell thestringpuller replied :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: scoopbot_revived have a website aggregator?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller not that i know of
pete_dushenski: that role was previously handled by peterl's website
thestringpuller: just a bot. interesting.
pete_dushenski: but petey when and knocked up his wife and forget to maintain dat shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except it's not theirs, they prolly lifted it from one of the military texts of the 40s, and if you're a company selling colorizer glasses why the fuck would you want people NOT to "steal" your dumb diagnosios shit
pete_dushenski: used to be or something to that effect
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes knocked up his wife and he still maintains thefoundation
thestringpuller: using kids as excuses
pete_dushenski: not all men are created equal
thestringpuller: i would think not all spouses are crated equal
pete_dushenski: 'men' includes 'women', at least it used to
pete_dushenski: by association, obviously
pete_dushenski: back in the days before gender-fair pronouns were all the rage
pete_dushenski: 'tevye' now at 329,000 after a few stops and starts
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yea it was OOM. Added a swap file based on mod6 advice and it's building now.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> 'once you go' walrus 'you never go back' ? << Have you ever seen 'Tusk' by Kevin Smith.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: sounds like human centipede but with walruses...
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Shhhh.... don't spoil it
mircea_popescu: "high tech smoke detectors" << imagine my surprise when i discover he was being literal.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. WHat's so complicated about a dot of Ameracium.
pete_dushenski: imagine my surprise when i picked up a new '27 inch' monitor last night at it was 30 inches
mircea_popescu: i had also forgotten how larabel looks like he's 12.
BingoBoingo: Still, this is his biggest contribution to any Unix-liek system evar
mircea_popescu remembers the early dasys past dot-com bubble, when people were like, genuinelky trying to get linux to work.
BingoBoingo: CIA ate their soul
jurov: O.o
mircea_popescu: "Our Dozens Of #Linux #Benchmark #Systems Still Burning Around 3000 kWh A Month"
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 30000 / 24 / 30 / .45
gribble: 92.5925925926
mircea_popescu: that'd be 8 dozens, then ?
assbot: More on CoinTelegraph By a Former Writer — Medium ... ( )
mircea_popescu: o hey, check out all the things that matter according to people who don't.
mircea_popescu: going by that "illumination" thing on medium, i would be surprised if the guy could write something that could make it on qntra
BingoBoingo: But no. Instead apparently a bunch of writers disappointed by Derpograph produced
assbot: Coinjournal - Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> going by that "illumination" thing on medium, i would be surprised if the guy could write something that could make it on qntra << Depends on the subject they try to tackle, but questions abound.
mircea_popescu: the solution to "We're stupid" is to make .... A NEW COUNTRY!!!!
mircea_popescu: because clearly, the problem of coingraph or w/e wasn't the idiots manning it.
mircea_popescu: but something else. dark and nefarious, outside of "the people"./
mircea_popescu: who, very far from being unrepentant shitsacks, are really nice and good and everything. just, whenevere they leav to make a new one, SOMEONE keeps bringing some sacked shit and throwing it everywhere.
BingoBoingo: Like a taint. It should be readily visible, but the scrotum is in the way.
mircea_popescu: must be pleasant to be retarded.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention the coinfire people who started a "premium" subscription deal and stopped posting
mircea_popescu: << i find it extremely lulzy, just how outright soviet socialist republics this thing ended up.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 18:45:25; punkman: "That the community communication channels, the repositories, and any other likewise bitcoin assets, are public property and owned by the community as a whole, not any one single individual nor a very small group of people. All steps must be taken to allow full access to every individual to these assets and to reduce fully or to the absolute minimum any and all barriers to any and all access of these a
mircea_popescu: really, "owned by all" ? so what, i go in there and edit stuff now ?
mircea_popescu: oh, "owned by all" in the sense of owned discreetely by mike hearn ?
mircea_popescu: that the stupidity discounted as broken a century ago is still the state of the art for these people should concern them.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't, obviously, because i guess it must be really pleasant to be retarded.
pete_dushenski: << british vs. russian engineering today. at least in f1. needless to say, the british team is out of business and the russian team, which killed driver jules bianchi in 2014, the first driver to die in the sport since ayrton senna in '94, continues under the 'manor marrusia' brand.
mircea_popescu: that fucking sport is pointless if no driver dies.
mircea_popescu: should be a biannual casualty. the russians did more to make f1 respectable than any english speaker since 1994.
pete_dushenski: the benefits of having 1/10 the budget of the boring ass leaders of the pack
mircea_popescu: and yes, senna was maybe the best driver f1 ever had. top 10 for sure. it is bad that he died, it is WORSE that schumacher couldn't have died if he wanted to.
pete_dushenski: schumacher couldn't even die skiing. he tried.
pete_dushenski: unlike whatsherface, mrs. 'taken'
pete_dushenski: natasha richardson
pete_dushenski: and ya, no death, no glory in motor racing
pete_dushenski: there's no virtue without risk
pete_dushenski: montaigne had a bit about this in his essay 'of cruelty'
mircea_popescu: << ahh this has been so nicely consecrated in the anal tears of gavin & co.
assbot: The Progre on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "And so it is and so it comes and so he every time succumbs :
mircea_popescu: Half hour after wardrums beat, five minutes after warlike heat,
mircea_popescu: About a subjugated plain, among its desperate copies slain,
mircea_popescu: The Progre stalks with hands on hips while drivel gushes from his lips."
pete_dushenski: "Questuque cruentus, Atque imploranti similis"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00071946 = 48.9952 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: lol look who's a vergil fan
mircea_popescu: "Saucius at quadrupes nota intra tecta refugit, successitgue gemens stabulis; questuque cruentus atque imploranti similis, tectum omne replevit."
trinque: damn, I need to start using progre as a slur
trinque: that's great
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Why is scoopbot_revived So slow to IRC while tweeting?
assbot: No XTCoin Support Committed to the Blockchain Yet | Qntra ... ( )
trinque: would've been useful in yesterday's conversation with a female about how no, Hillary getting in (aside from anything she might do) would itself be a glorious step forward
trinque: incidentally I'm moving the fuck back to texas in a couple weeks :D
BingoBoingo: Congrats
BingoBoingo: If I get this jerb I'll be moving back to Little Egypt
trinque: good luck
trinque: I'm going to live among the lovers of capitalism for a while again, and I'll see whether the weather here was actually worth it
pete_dushenski: "Cryptographer and digital currency researcher Nick Szabo, who many believe to be the real identity behind Satoshi Nakamoto, has stated that a rapid block size increase is “a huge security risk” and “a reckless act to be performing on a $4 billion system.” Szabo made the remarks as part of the ongoing debate over the Bitcoin block size, which continues to draw in major players from across the community. As
pete_dushenski: explained by Pete Dushenski, an author at Qntra and Contravex, the Bitcoin blockchain is like a city and the height of its walls is the network’s hashrate."
pete_dushenski: "Ultimately, Szabo, Dushenski, Mircea Popescu and Garzik agree that tampering with the block size will only make the blockchain heavy and insecure. “The biggest challenge ahead isn’t “bringing Bitcoin to the people” or some such nonsense, it’s in maintaining a sufficient number of nodes to relay and verify transactions. This is challenging issue that has yet to be fully addressed,” explained Dushenski."
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: WHere is this?
pete_dushenski: 'virtual mining' blog. same kids who pitted me against roger ver a week or two back.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, today's discussion of the 1% ratchet should, if nothing else, serve as a burning icon of how exactly consensus is sought.
pete_dushenski: and lest it appear that they interviewed me, they didn't. just referenced and cited an article from last october
BingoBoingo: Wouldn't surprise me in the least Virtual Mining News people could become qntra contributors before the Torpeys and other CoinTelophone people do.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> and lest it appear that they interviewed me, they didn't. just referenced and cited an article from last october << This is what the pros do
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ya, they're not ear-bitingly stupid, which is a non-qntra first
BingoBoingo: Nah there were non stupids earlier. I read this Trilema thing a few times.
mircea_popescu: trinque if nbothing else, autumn's a great time to go tyhere.
trinque: sure is
BingoBoingo: PECAN SEASON!!!
mircea_popescu very much liked december texas weather
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> oh, "owned by all" in the sense of owned discreetely by mike hearn ? << how the everloving fuck else !
BingoBoingo: Though if in texas this fall it may make sense for you trinque to sell pecans you find to Chinese Bitcoin miners to build good will and a full wallet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shhh. i was born last night!
trinque: BingoBoingo: haha, perhaps I still suffer under the delusion that Texas has a future
trinque: though the chinese may eat the rest of usistan
mircea_popescu: i agree that texas has a future.
mircea_popescu: tho it'll prolly be part of the mexican cartel federation.
BingoBoingo: Seriously last few years Chicoms have been spiking pecan prices
asciilifeform: aztlan.
asciilifeform: viktor pelevin got there phirst.
trinque: mircea_popescu: could be, and if it survives the fight with them, maybe that experience helps it on the path to being an actual country
mircea_popescu: why would it fight ?
trinque: dunno, depends on what the federation's like, I guess
mircea_popescu: it's like very laissez faire and rape-y.
mircea_popescu: nobody ever had a problem wiht that sort of thing.
trinque: haha, that's a point
mircea_popescu: sell oil and dope to california, buy chained 20something yo ohioites in exchange. hard to resist.
asciilifeform: 'Instead we have programmers with literally zero financial education or training, fighting over which handful of them is going to decide the fate of the next worldwide financial system.'
asciilifeform: the Beoble have sp0k3n!
BingoBoingo thinks Texas would prefer Aztalan to Obola
assbot: Wouldn't it be great if the Bitcoin Community around the world were the source of "consensus" ? : Bitcoin ... ( )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "thinking they are fighting to [...]"/
mircea_popescu: in fact they're just doing what they've always done : agreeing over their stale beer + pizza that the boss is dumb and the company doubleplusungood.
BingoBoingo: Fuck world wide. Phillipines forfeited its vote. Africa (sorry flufferpony) forfeited its vote. Only Aztlan and Babylon have Voats
mircea_popescu: lol the sad stories of previous usians with pinoy sluts touched you huh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: possible nuance is that aztlan has no use for the white man. except possibly as sacrifice
mircea_popescu: patently untrue.
asciilifeform: (white fman - sure.)
mircea_popescu: mexicans love sucking white cock.
BingoBoingo: Aztlan loves white people, tis their sole source of income
mircea_popescu has seen this first... dick, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not even for the income. mexican woman sees you like you see swedish teenager.
asciilifeform: these were, presumably, female, aha
mircea_popescu: "tall and handsome"
asciilifeform: those are not the ones who will be sacrificing the white man.
mircea_popescu: nobody's sacrificing the white man cheer up yo.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not even for the income. mexican woman sees you like you see swedish teenager. << Meztizos want to be the new white race
asciilifeform: but quetzalkoatl has to eat!
asciilifeform: ocelotl has to drink
mircea_popescu: it'll eat a stocky brown man.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but quetzalkoatl has to eat! << Black man.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo i think is right, that is who it eats now
mircea_popescu: and cointrary to all the "hic sunt leones" anglo propaganda, the worst arabs are gonna do to you is in all likelyhood ask you to go further in, because you're too fairskinned to be this back in the mosq.
BingoBoingo: WHen those run out, GOv man
mircea_popescu: (also seen with own ears)
asciilifeform: eh, tame urbanite orcs vs raiding parties
asciilifeform: not quite comparable
mircea_popescu: quite comparable.
mircea_popescu: the reason isis is such a problem is that they're not even comparable, but homologuous.
BingoBoingo: Aztalan (modeling on Sinaloa) is not the "Homicide da Union" but a business like any other government.
BingoBoingo: Sure, they want slaves and pubic furs.
mircea_popescu: better than any government. because, again, laissez faire and rape-y. can't argue with that.
BingoBoingo: Well, that
BingoBoingo: But rape-y is more Los-Zetas
shinohai: <<< well this shit actually works w/ realbitcoin ^^
assbot: n1nj4sec/pr0cks · GitHub ... ( )
trinque: most Texans would protest that they'd fit well with Mexico, but I begin to see it
trinque: people tend to protest the things that are most true, anyway
shinohai: kinda unecessary
mircea_popescu: i wonder, incidentally, how, when or if will the us-style feminist conceptualize that her notions of gender identity and female rights imposes a significant cost on the community, and as a result ensures a) its downfal and b) the mass rape of most females and some males dumb enough to have participated, deserved, as spoils of war.
BingoBoingo: Better Mexico than those damned Yanks
asciilifeform: shinohai: it is trivial, why shouldn't it work ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: posthumously
shinohai: It seems a little too complicated to do what it does.
shinohai: Why jump through all dem hoops
mircea_popescu: maybe not even then. "socialism was never really tried" etc.
asciilifeform: prolly one of those things that will never entirely disappear for so long as there are 'immunocompromised' decaying civilizations, etc
trinque: mircea_popescu: it does seem to be a sort of suicidality
trinque: many of those types that I've known in Portland clearly hate themselves, and engage in all kinds of self-destructive behavior
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> better than any government << from safe distance. right now, as i understand, they are in what '90s ru called 'initial capital allocation.' which tends to involve some mess - machine-gunning of whole hamlets to prove a point, etc
mircea_popescu: "I've mentioned this countless times but I think it's obvious that true consensus should be coming from the largest, decentralized group in the Bitcoin space: its users around the world." << how the fuck is a bunch of circlejerking derps, who don't even REALISE that google's been feeding them results tailored to their own stupidity for a decade, who think wikipedia is a source of knowledge and whose enjoyment mostly co
mircea_popescu: mes from hanging out with groups of similar retards strictly to farm fake agreement, DECENTRALIZED
mircea_popescu: it is THE MOST centralized thing in both theory and practice. and probably the source of all others.
mircea_popescu: certainly the source of the state in all its broken implementations to date, from nazi socialism and soviet socialism all the way to obama and peron populisms.
mircea_popescu: (the two are so strictly undistinct... omfg. us took 200 years to catch up to post-ww2 argentina)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fuck is a bunch of circlejerking derps, who don't even REALISE << with this here perl script, which emulates the lot of'em with a few pr0xies, how else
asciilifeform: farm fake agreement << as pictured in herr chomsky's 'manufacturing consent' etc
mircea_popescu: anyway. no, the "community" is not decentralized now, could not be decentralized in the future.
asciilifeform: (i just like the title)
mircea_popescu: quite like that yes.
thestringpuller: << dunno how I feel about these guys yet but they accept bitcoin
BingoBoingo: When in doubt, burn with fire
mircea_popescu: the notion that the group of redditards is "decentralized" is not unlike the proposition that salem at the time of the witch trials was "good christians".
mircea_popescu: ie, "we the people - goodword of today"
trinque: thestringpuller: I don't see the need to bolt a mac gui to gpg
trinque: actcually makes for more cumbersome use than at the command line
trinque: *actually
thestringpuller: trinque: i installed it to use the command line tools. it's kinda akin to installing xcode to have clang to run a gcc like thing...
thestringpuller: didn't know if they committed to like a mac branch of gpg or something or its just all gui shit
BingoBoingo: When did you get a mac thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: "@petertoddbtc Why a /dev/ and not a call to the kernel for such matters? @EliteRaspberrie @dchest @zooko"
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 256.88, vol: 8801.72508523 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 254.371, vol: 4521.57078 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 258.45, vol: 9933.81721964 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 265.0, vol: 21.37730152 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 257.252976, vol: 11291.98050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 258.6391, vol: 85.6495071 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 257.115059889, vol: 27.43535912 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 257.133544026
gernika: Here's some "decentralization" for you:
assbot: BackBXT: Start a full BitcoinXT node by sending bitcoin. ... ( )
asciilifeform: 1) pseudonode 2) collect idiots' coin 3) ??? 4) profit (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: (for bonus points, pseudonode-on-botnet)
gernika: My first thought yes
asciilifeform: btw there is no reason known to me that the bulk of the supposed 6k nodez could not be the above.
mircea_popescu: idiots SHOULD be relieved of their burden.
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: the less they have the better the world.
mircea_popescu: << kinda lukewarm effort, but not bad bit-Coin polymorphic notationz.
assbot: The work left undone : Buttcoin ... ( )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd rather the crows ate'em
asciilifeform: not like fat, emboldened sc4mz0rz are good for anything
asciilifeform: (to eat?)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> not like fat, emboldened sc4mz0rz are good for anything << Butuchyag
mircea_popescu: there is that.
BingoBoingo: !up Bjander
BingoBoingo: !up refferedby
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00075671 = 21.8689 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Checking your bits ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Two consecutive days Qntra has been at the top of /v/bitcoin but to be fair this time it took all of 4 upvotes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wtf is the point of that site.
asciilifeform: all i ever see is that idiot cloudflare banner
BingoBoingo: Thank you Obamacare for giving this self identified Hamgalaxy a CPAP so she doesn't choke on the weight of her chest in her sleep
assbot: Why it's time for radical fat acceptance ... ( )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It trolls Ycombinator's reddit. Otherwise worthless. I derp on it and egg on the controversy with dirty quarentine browser
BingoBoingo: !up kyuupichan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00074836 = 24.0972 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No reason to bother with the voat cloudflare wall at all if you don't care to afflict the stupid
assbot: Achievement Unlocked – 4 million bitcoin wallets | Blockchain Blog ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "radical fat acceptance" ?
wilbns: ^ not true.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00073639 = 15.1328 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: could we instead accept 1% more fat each year ?
wilbns: Sorry, was saying "not true" in relation to the link.
wilbns: That number counts users who have multiple wallet identifiers, and also algorithmically created via the API.
wilbns: Also, numbers significantly were inflated in spring of 2014 as a result of this:
assbot: coming online - phased restore : Bitcoin ... ( )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> could we instead accept 1% more fat each year ? << No. It breaks the BritneyChain
mircea_popescu: ;;google trei grasulii se leganau pe o pinza de paianjen...
gribble: No matches found.
wilbns: It's annoying, because there are some good and kind people who work at, but there are some "not right" things going on at the top.
mircea_popescu: wilbns i think this is pretty much known, but yeah.
BingoBoingo: wilbns: went rogue soon after they took investment from the wrong crowd. Irreparible now.
BingoBoingo: Can't even par
wilbns: One time I was asked by Peter Smith to find early charts of PayPal total payments volume to compare to Blockchain Total Payments volume. Was told by Peter Smith that him and Nic Cary were in Silicon Valley meeting with former PayPal executives and venture capitalists (this was before they secured their raise), to whom they were comparing early Blockchain
wilbns: growth rate as being something even more rapid and promising than PayPal total payments volume. It was then that I realized there were instances where people were potentially being mislead that the Blockchain total payments volume was actually total payments volume.
assbot: Mining for comedy gold in the r/bitcoin corpus : Buttcoin ... ( )
mircea_popescu: wilbns doh.
mircea_popescu: i do not credit this "nice people working for scammers" theory.
mircea_popescu: no reprieve. nic carey used to be a good guy, he's as scummy as any scumbag now. this is his doing, and not my problem.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00073227 = 8.7872 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: One time Ryan X Charles before he adopted that name approached my IRL name to set up St Louis Bitcoin meetup and I told him I don't want to meet the sort of people that would live in St Louis an share his kind of interest in Bitcoin.
thestringpuller: Ryan X Charles is from MO?
BingoBoingo: He was in a physics phd program at one of the St Louis universities before he went to BitPay. At the time he contacted me I think he was still using a slave name.
thestringpuller: Now he is professor X.
asciilifeform: today i learned that...
assbot: SWAG Archive ... ( )
asciilifeform: (nothing at all to do with 'delphi.' mega-classic archive of algo snippets, mainly for borland's turbopascal)
asciilifeform: holy fuck.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: (nothing at all to do with 'delphi') << this didn't stop me from looking up delphi of the 90's lol
mircea_popescu: nothing ever went away. everything just got drowned.
asciilifeform looks for the copy of 'gold bug' virus that some derp threw into swag and claimed as 'universal decompilator'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'that is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange eons even death may die' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu feels tempted to rewrite that one too.
asciilifeform: do it!11
mircea_popescu: im going to end up the english language's foremost hack.
BingoBoingo still has machines somewhere vulnerable to N.vir
asciilifeform: now why didn't this schmuck make the entries linkable
asciilifeform: i mean, wtf.
asciilifeform: gotta 'javascriptate' everything, aha
asciilifeform: ferfuxxake
assbot: Main SWAG (Sourceware Archive Group) HTML Index ... ( )
assbot: "RPos in BASM" by EDDY THILLEMAN ... ( )
assbot: Main SWAG (Sourceware Archive Group) HTML Index ... ( )
asciilifeform: << try & write this for modern system (NO WWW IDIOCY) in this many lines.
assbot: "TURBO PONG GAME" by GLENN REIFF ... ( )
assbot: "FLI File player" by SWAG SUPPORT TEAM ... ( )
asciilifeform: these, one might add, are SELF-CONTAINED (with exception of msdos and occasional bios call.) no 'libraries'
assbot: "TP6-7 example of Eliza" by SWAG SUPPORT TEAM ... ( )
assbot: "Encryption Theory" by KANDA'JALEN EIRSIE ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ in case anyone thinks idiocy was invented yesterday
phf: being able to write pascal in delphi was like the right of passage for moscows programmer boys. i thought i was the shit with my dozen of delphi programmers until good folk at msu cmc unix room gently explained to me that i'm an idiot, told me to install freebsd and gave a copy of "programming in c language" by podbelsky and fomin. probably one the earliest books i've purchased still on my bookshelf
asciilifeform: delphi happened under winblowz and therefore for me never happened.
assbot: "Life/Mutation Algorithms" by NICK VERMEULEN ... ( )
asciilifeform: phf: now, turbopascal 7 for msdos - ~happened~ !
phf: ha, i remember we opted to use turbopascal for some programming olympiada and made a terrible mess out of it. basically were expect to come in some place, but we couldn't even finish the program
asciilifeform: bbbut... it even had built-in dictionary of keywords
asciilifeform: what could be easier.
asciilifeform to this day considers any programming environment that can't display a full reference to the language on demand, optionally searchable by keyword at current cursor, to be inferior
asciilifeform nostalgic from the naivete of the 'encryption' section in 'swag'
imsaguy: hi kids!
BingoBoingo: WHat's up tripeSlash?
imsaguy: nada. just censoring people and stuff.
imsaguy: How are you?
BingoBoingo: Not bad. Just stuffing cotton towels in social media toilets, taking a shit, and flushing them.
imsaguy: hah
imsaguy: Its amazing the amount of vitriol that is out there amongst people that probably don't even know the real difference between the two forks.
imsaguy: yes, amazing assbot is amazing.
imsaguy: ;;sell 1 amazing company @ 1 bajillion dollars
gribble: Error: 'company' is not a valid price input.
trinque: anybody ever use an oldschool tracker for music production?
trinque: they seem *almost* right
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00072019 = 26.575 BTC [-] {4}
trinque: asciilifeform: neat!
asciilifeform: (though it is debatable whether the output was 'music')
trinque: Renoise is a decent modern equivalent imo
asciilifeform: there is no modern equivalent.
asciilifeform: (to, e.g., 'fasttracker')
trinque: how so?
asciilifeform: for one thing, 'fastracker' didn't crack, didn't need window dragging or tab flipping,
trinque: ah sure, in that sense
asciilifeform: didn't need a heavy multiprocess operating system,
asciilifeform: was more or less superior in every way to the linked example.
asciilifeform: *didn't crash
trinque: I've never killed renoise, but anyhow, my actual complaint is that I can't call arbitrary chunks of noise a function and reuse them
trinque: must be a rectangle including all instruments
trinque: well fuck you renoise, I want just the drums and bass in this part
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell btcdrak you disconnected so actually will have to revoice self when this message is recieved
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: trinque: there are things that could be had today only if you were to recreate the world of yesterday.
asciilifeform: fortunately, this is not difficult. (on your desk, at least.)
trinque: I'm starting to lean towards wanting a programming language for this (yes lisp)
trinque: for example I commonly want to take a lick and move it around a scale some
trinque: for great noodlage
[\\\]: kinky
trinque: that's a function with a root note and a scale as arguments
BingoBoingo: The only piece of "music software" I truly liked was "Noteworthy Composer"
trinque: I actually wrote what I describe above in python
trinque: and trashed it all
trinque: because the python was getting in the way of how I wanted to express it in language, of course
trinque: I was utterly ignorant of lisp at the time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.0007142 = 9.7488 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: That one with the eons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00074028 = 3.0351 BTC [+]
phf: asciilifeform: i know right. none of us used it before, and really were so cocky we durped till last moment. it's my only and very vivid memory of turbopascal
phf: it's probably same year, that i was switched to freebsd, so never actually programmed for dos. i did write a tsr to do a memory dump on a keypress few years later
phf: used it to cheat in games heh (i think there were a dozen of variations of that idea)
assbot: Facebook Snags Patent For Approving Loans Based On Your Social Network - Fortune ... ( )
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mats: >When an individual applies for a loan, the lender examines the credit ratings of members of the individual’s social network who are connected to the individual through authorized nodes. If the average credit rating of these members is at least a minimum credit score, the lender continues to process the loan application. Otherwise, the loan application is
mats: rejected.
mats: A+
wilbns: ah, the grey area of profiling.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5017 @ 0.00072262 = 3.6254 BTC [-]
mats: nothing can go wrong
wilbns: 25 years ago there was no Facebook and a fledgling Internet - many people were still using a BBS or interacting with one another using AOL, CompuServe or Prodigy. A smartphone did not exist. It will be interesting in another 25 years to see the path of where things will go. I wonder if we were teleported there tomorrow if we would recognize it.
wilbns: ...and what other things will be derived from social networks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l!!
asciilifeform: spiffy.
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asciilifeform: << this will be ruthlessly suppresses because it is RACIST
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 02:39:32; mats: >When an individual applies for a loan, the lender examines the credit ratings of members of the individual’s social network who are connected to the individual through authorized nodes. If the average credit rating of these members is at least a minimum credit score, the lender continues to process the loan application. Otherwise, the loan application is
asciilifeform: then again, a back door may be found for it to safely walk through, like google's employment not-iq-really-fuck-you-not-iq tests
mats: if social networks as they exist nao are still a thing i will eat a bullet
asciilifeform: still a thing..?
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 02:35:23; phf: used it to cheat in games heh (i think there were a dozen of variations of that idea)
mats: 'in another 25 years'
wilbns: mats: thinking it is going to be three-dimensional, where you interact w/ your social network wearing some sort of oculus rift-themed devise in an alternate reality. people will choose that over this one. and then many will truly become ambivalent to things that are happening in "real" life
wilbns: device*
asciilifeform: wilbns: v. pelevin had a hilarious sf yarn where people not only did this, but fucked this way
mats: sure, for people that don't need to work to live
asciilifeform: (fucking assigned receptacle/inverse, as case may be, but seeing their idiotbook simulacrum at ~all~ times in the goggles)
wilbns: mats: people will be employed to execute roles in cyberspace. telecommuting and working from home is the first step.
asciilifeform: which were not removable except at great peril.
asciilifeform: mats: 'work' also inside the machine.
trinque: god sounds terrible.
asciilifeform: (as most already do)
trinque: the only thing I do via social media is barf articles at family in the hopes that they read
trinque: specifically, seeing your meatwot at all times on some device...
mats: i imagine modern civilization will decay too quickly for wilbns universe to materialize
trinque: imagine that's your cousin, and now your brain implant means you have to see that all day
wilbns: asciilifeform: thanks for the tip!
asciilifeform: trinque: nah you see his 'avatar'
asciilifeform: trinque: which is a catgurl or the like.
mats: huk
asciilifeform: the book was, iirc, 'love of the three zuckerbrins'
asciilifeform: but afaik no english ver
asciilifeform: nor ever expect one!
asciilifeform: learn fucking languages.
phf: what was that bad russian scifi dood, who did sort of like a hodgepodge of cyberpunk literature
wilbns: mats: agreed, that is the challenge - what exactly is happening in the status quo. food shortages, never before seen droughts, threat of a credit bubble collapsing, the middle easten on the verge and russia/china moving further away in their relations w/ europe and the us each new day. what is next.
trinque: asciilifeform | trinque: which is a catgurl or the like. << LOL
mats: dollar collapse is whats next
mats: the rest of the world failing around you is the early warning system
assbot: Labyrinth of Reflections - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Welcome to the Terror Dome, er... Terra Foam
asciilifeform: phf: entirely other fella, but familiar theme, aha
wilbns: mats: maybe. there was an interesting quote you just made me think of - "a recession is when your neighbor loses his or her job. a depression is when you lose yours"
asciilifeform: ^ orlov's 'you will not be told when collapse has happened, only when it has happened to ~you~'
wilbns: ah that's a good quote, so true
asciilifeform: <mats> the rest of the world failing around you is the early warning system << distinguish the natural (drought) from the usg-engineered (just about everything else) failures.
asciilifeform: to the engineers, those aren't failures.
asciilifeform: they are - successes.
phf: asciilifeform: have you read his чапаев и пустота?
asciilifeform: phf: aha!
asciilifeform: there is, iirc, even an english transl somewhere!
BingoBoingo: Last week I read a lot of "California beat the drought" stories based on more people in Compton working at McDonalds
asciilifeform: mats: usg, like wheat (the latter as described in mircea_popescu's essay 'when you become wheat') thrives in a half-destroyed world
mats: welp, i like a game of 'catch the falling knife' as well as anybody
asciilifeform: like post-ww2
BingoBoingo: "But California GDP GREW!!!"
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BingoBoingo: As the state burns
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, gave the english version to my girl to read
mats: i am still unprepared to flee to .cn
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mats: usg, like wheat (the latter as described in mircea_popescu's essay 'when you become wheat') thrives in a half-destroyed world << Corn loves raw manure, but wheat demand you first light the manure and then till it into the field
asciilifeform: phf: girl digested it ?!!!
phf: first thing she asked what's up with russians and schwarzenegger
wilbns: it does seem the dollar is someone in store for a beating, perhaps that is what will stop interest rates from rising or enable more QE to continue
wilbns: somewhat*
wilbns: sheesh i don't know what's up w/ my spelling.
BingoBoingo: <mats> i am still unprepared to flee to .cn << We all have to contemplate destinations other than what we though were Door #1
BingoBoingo: <wilbns> sheesh i don't know what's up w/ my spelling. << I'm drunk. It seriously affects everyone's spelling.
mats: folks the world over are buying USD as their own currencies get devalued by USG mismanagement
wilbns: haha
mats: this is what is presumably stopping interest rates from going up
BingoBoingo: ofc mats
asciilifeform: mats: been there, done that, traded a shoebox full of toiletpaper money (printed on usg-donated presses during collapse!) for $1 usd.
asciilifeform: (as a boy)
mats: i hope my dollars will still be good for renminbi exchange when the time comes
phf: asciilifeform: she enjoyed it, and picked up on some subtleties, in any case more then i expected, but i think it was good enough for first reading
asciilifeform: mats: they're good... now
asciilifeform: mats: buying ticket yet ?
mats: or, you know, the buttcoins, but i dunno whether we'll ever win the war at this rate
BingoBoingo: <mats> or, you know, the buttcoins, but i dunno whether we'll ever win the war at this rate << War was won.
mats: asciilifeform: nope, its at least five years in the distance
asciilifeform: why wait?
asciilifeform: if you're cn-compatible, buy ticket, sail.
asciilifeform: if not - won't be in 5 years, or 55
mats: for all practical purposes i am illiterate and have almost no meatwot there
mats: still need to eat
asciilifeform: mats is originally from cn ?
BingoBoingo: Given 2015 so far Hearnia must have planned to actually release XTCoin the first weekend of September. He ended up jumping the gun because USG pinoy spamzors. We won.
phf: i gave her "kniga oborotnya" and she concluded that the book was dull and poorly paced, which is something i agree with, probably my least favorite p book
mats: originally from hk
asciilifeform: phf: ditto, also least favourite
asciilifeform: mats: then at least you have the mega-superpower that folks can't tell immediately by face that you couldn't possibly have meatwot
wilbns: it seems fiat currencies will continue to exist for many generations to come, perhaps actual paper form will deminish, but an electronic register or display of some number of dollars for whoever the viewer is, will carry with it some semblance of wealth
assbot: Logged on 13-02-2014 01:31:58; asciilifeform: ifetimes some tin-pot pseudo-nationalist leader will print up ugly slips of paper with pictures of dead people, Masonic symbols and big numbers, and attempt to charge people for using them as a medium of exchange in all transactions, and your great-grandchildren need to know, from an early age, that it is a scam. It is an official scvam, backed up by the threat of violence, but it is still a scam."
BingoBoingo: Hearn lost so bad "unidentified" turrorist bombed expat Thailand today. Presumably to try to get Goat and scare people with insulfation faith in USG out of defecting.
BingoBoingo: Oh, that was an odd autocorrect
mats: asciilifeform: things haven't degenerated enough in us for me to consider returning
mats: can't do computing work if i can't even read the damned terminals
BingoBoingo: mats: What if your USG designated FEMA number puts your camp in southwest Missouri?
wilbns: these new derivative markets that are forming out of distributed / shared ledger technology could perhaps be the new stage for some form of electronic economy that will exist on a trillion/quadrillion level. the average person may only perceive that kind of scale at the end of the year, when milk costs $10
mats: BingoBoingo: plz break me out, there is a bitcoin reward in it for you
BingoBoingo: mats: First I'll have to know you are in. Second I will have to not be in Chicago fema camp (because FEMA must take us to the places we hate most)
phf: mats: i have a former colleague from a financial firm, who moved to hk recently, he's chinese, but i take it his mandarin is poor and cantonese non-existent. he's working for an english speaking company there and slowly getting his language up to speed. his reasoning for the move was "this boat is leaking"
mats: phf: i have the same plan, but presumably further behind in my career than him
BingoBoingo: mats: What though is stopping you from moving to Aztalan?
mats: BingoBoingo: a state park?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if i had to guess, it's the desire to earn living with terminal rather than kalash
BingoBoingo: ;;ud aztalan
gribble: Google found nothing.
BingoBoingo: ;;google aztalan
gribble: Aztalan State Park Home - <>; Aztalan State Park - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Aztalan State Park - Wisconsin DNR: <>
wilbns: asciilifeform: ah yes, thanks for the link - imagining one day in fact how silly it will be to hold up a $100 bill, or to go to an ATM. perhaps only those in "emerging markets" or "third world countries" will use such types of antiquated technologies and means of exchange.
asciilifeform: aztlan.
asciilifeform: ~aztlan~
BingoBoingo: ;;google los zeta
gribble: Los Zetas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; How 34 commandos created Mexico's most brutal drug cartel ...: <>; 13 things to know about Los Zetas, the ruthless Mexican drug cartel ...: < (1 more message)
wilbns: (note sarcasm regarding ATMs and emerging markets)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mno << /me been drunk for a while
assbot: What is Aztlan, Raza, and MEChA ... ( )
BingoBoingo: <wilbns> asciilifeform: ah yes, thanks for the link - imagining one day in fact how silly it will be to hold up a $100 bill, or to go to an ATM. perhaps only those in "emerging markets" or "third world countries" will use such types of antiquated technologies and means of exchange. << I personally plan on eventually only every trading in an out of Bitcoin with year's worth of whatever the local bottlecaps happen to be
asciilifeform: ;;ud aztlan
gribble: | The area (as distinguished above) of Aztlan has been under the rule of invaders; ruthless, war-like, greedy imperial powers, since the Spanish first colonized it.
mats: why would zetas trust a chinese american citizen
phf: mats: he was a junior at the company, so not much of a career. i think the objective is to work for a company that has offices at multiple locations. when i worked for another bank that will remain nameless, the opportunity was always implied from the beginning. in fact a lot of places like that love people with no local attachments, because means easy and cheap relocation.
mats: if for my computing skills... not good enough at pwning arbitrary systems to be useful (yet)
BingoBoingo: mats: Right shade?
mats: if to carry rifle, plenty of mexicans for that task already
BingoBoingo: Not really
wilbns: BingoBoingo: that would be a nice outcome from where we are now, being able to move in and out so easily. hopefully by that point there will also be less volatility to the downside in relation to the bottlecaps.
mats: phf: welp, my eyeballs are peeled for opportunities, am actually looking for interesting work atm
phf: mats: where are you located?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00071589 = 11.8838 BTC [+]
mats: boston
BingoBoingo: wilbns: As far as you need be concerned though I have less than a proper transaction fee in BTC.
BingoBoingo also looking for fiat paying work, but only in positions where the only economic consequence of my employment would be occupying an already fungible position
asciilifeform: mats: this probably won't shock you, but it is possible to know how to do 10,001 useful and rare things, and still starve.
mircea_popescu: it is actually common.
asciilifeform: sop, even.
mircea_popescu: clueless people haver a lot more sense than to starve.
wilbns: BingoBoingo: roger that
mircea_popescu: (in proper terms : clueless people don't have what to delude themselves with)
asciilifeform: sure they do
mircea_popescu: << that shit's so retarded i hope they do it.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 02:40:26; mats: A+
[\\\]: someone say bacon?
asciilifeform: and also fish!
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 02:53:19; asciilifeform: << recall 'gametool' and 'gamewizard' ?
mats: imsaguy returns
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was it also a spiffy tsr that could be invoked at any time and would look for ~changed bytes~ in ram ?
[\\\]: I've b een around, "censoring" people.
mircea_popescu: no, dirty little helper was a lengthy collection of various tidbits.
mircea_popescu: walkthroughs, cheatcodes, etc.
asciilifeform: like 'ovdocs'
asciilifeform: ^ epic, still worth reading today for the lulz
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phf: asciilifeform: i didn't get my hands on one of those until early 2000s, hence had to write my own. i vaguely recall a collection of tsr on a hacker tools cd that i bought in a metro perehod :), but at the time i somehow didn't pay enough attention to them
mircea_popescu: << the point here being (perhaps unfamiliar to some readers) that wheat is not a sort of plant that survives, except in particular situations : say post volcanic eruption, when everything's been burned down. then the weed makes a quick colonisation, because of its disproportionate seeds.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 03:04:29; asciilifeform: mats: usg, like wheat (the latter as described in mircea_popescu's essay 'when you become wheat') thrives in a half-destroyed world
mircea_popescu: but then in a few years it's drownerd out by more sanely balanced plants.
mircea_popescu: it should be noted that the civilisation that chose to feed itself on wheat, a plant famous for and a plant whose only strategy is, to overinvest in its progeniture
mircea_popescu: ended up overinvesting in its progeniture.
asciilifeform: was gonna say.
mircea_popescu: pure coincidence, but lulzy.
asciilifeform: max k-strategy
BingoBoingo: Ukrs!!!
BingoBoingo: Kansas!!!
asciilifeform: l-kansas.
phf: asciilifeform: mine worked by doing a core dump on key press, and then you had to do a binary diff on a set of those. i kind of realized that i could put a diff/search algo into the tsr, but that was beyond my algorithm construction abilities at the time
asciilifeform always insisted that either kansas ought to be pronounced 'kensaw', or 'arkansas' ought to be r-kansas.
BingoBoingo: d-kansas is refered to as Arkansas in the common tongue, grows rice
asciilifeform: hence kansas is l-kansas.
wilbns: yes, riceland, stuttgart
asciilifeform: d- also worx
BingoBoingo: When alternatives always default to levo and dexo as options over trans and cis for the lulz
assbot: Riceland Foods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
BingoBoingo: But dex-Kensaw civilized. Levo-Kensaw barbarians General Quatrill was more than right to burn
BingoBoingo: *Quantrill
BingoBoingo never got more twitter mentions than when trolling after Mizzou beat Kansas in Baseketballs
BingoBoingo: Land that flat, covered in carbohydrates was made to host a great fire for the glory of Kismet
BingoBoingo offer that yes, Kismet is supposed to be the white handmaiden of Satan keeping true Africa down, but Whitey is violent to no one else like his is to his fellow white man
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai weren't you going to submit a qntra???
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Belxjander Pls fix your connection for the love of fuck
gribble: The operation succeeded.
wilbns: it is also challenging the fear of god society and some religious institutions instill in people in the area. originally from arkansas and lived there 22 years, experienced first-hand. was sent to religious camp in branson 7 years in a row. bizarre at times. btw, no offense to anyone in here's religious beliefs, none of my business. just putting forth an
wilbns: observation and personal experience.
BingoBoingo: wilbns: Thing is... While there are a lot of goups in that area which engage in such extreme sectarianism... Some on the girls are hot and the region is vulnerable to conquest by actual people.
BingoBoingo: Also no XT blocks mined yet...
wilbns: hah facepalm
BingoBoingo: wilbns: The big thing is such sectarians are more competitive with other similar factions than they are with any outsider groups.
mircea_popescu: wilbns i think if anyone in here's religious beliefs managed to survive in here for this long they'll be fine.
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