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asciilifeform: they were also, apparently, unable to entirely suppress the rumour of the existence of 'second man'
asciilifeform: but disposed of him (and anyone who might be able to supply conclusive proof)
asciilifeform: on top of this, the greenwald-poitras-omidyar shitgang never mentioned him again
mircea_popescu: but looky : the fact that some later schmuck had better/different materials
mircea_popescu: does not per se say anything about the earlier one.
mircea_popescu: this is "my girlfriend was a virgin when i met her because her previous boyfriend had a shitty job"
asciilifeform: earlier schmuck, supposedly had 'everything'
asciilifeform: or everything he could fit on his bag of disks
mircea_popescu: he had a bag of dicks.
asciilifeform: which all just ~happens~ to be idiot powerpoint
mircea_popescu: also, he had a "safety stash"
asciilifeform: of 1990s-era programs a la 'echelon'
asciilifeform: that everybody with half a neuron already knew about
mircea_popescu: well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: recall that one time when iu had to force "wikileaks" to publish documents ?
mircea_popescu: still draggedf their feet for almost a whole day.
mircea_popescu: the fact that the barnacles are barnacles does not speak much of the ship.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well, everything you saw the guardian publish, at any rate. << Greenwald/Guardian did filter the SNowden 1 documents
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asciilifeform: notice that no one is forcing the buggerz to print anything today.
deedbot-: rejected: 1
mats: ...fucking unicode
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fwiw, i've not yet published tons of reams of piles of stuff either.
asciilifeform: well sure
asciilifeform: but the inevitable conclusion is that the greenwald shitgang works for washington
mircea_popescu: that part was never, afaik, disputed.
asciilifeform: because they ~do not actually want the ears cut off the walls~
mircea_popescu: ;;google dear guardian stop being retarded
gribble: Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded>; Trilema Presei on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilema-presei/>; Dear Mr Gove: what's so 'British' about your 'British ... - The Guardian: <http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/jul/01/gove-what-is-so-british- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: if nothing else whatsoever were known about them, the redactions make it entirely obvious
asciilifeform: and the total, unwavering absence of leakz with actual technical details passing through them.
asciilifeform: they even censored something so mundane as the botnet c&c ips
asciilifeform: ergo they are not in any sense enemies of usg
mircea_popescu: that's funny, incidentally.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if nothing else whatsoever were known about them, the redactions make it entirely obvious << WHich is why the escaped yet utterly contained Snowden1 is known for nothing but powerpoints. Censored and surrounded with phriends.
asciilifeform: but instead help to showcase the muscles thereof
mircea_popescu: the reason they did is that some of the ips were actually traceable to various poorly protected shells.
mircea_popescu: and at the time at least they still thought "we" don't have the list
BingoBoingo: Nothing interesting was ever conveyed by powerpoint
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, that was actually a rather lulzy forced humiliation.
mircea_popescu: they couldn't even let the ips through, because that badly set up.
phf: if corporate sop is anything to go by, it's probably easier to get access to powerpoints (cross-company shared materials), then to actual technical details (contained within individual teams' machines)
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 04:57:56; asciilifeform: essentially, something so utterly catastrophic to usg that it could not possibly be a hangout
asciilifeform: ^ is when i'll 'believe.'
asciilifeform: and i mean ~genuine~ catastrophe, not 'jam tomorrow' like the opm thing
asciilifeform: as in, army is decimated because $leak
asciilifeform: or pill against rsa they've had since 1993 is revealed
phf: lizard hitler's stash
BingoBoingo: <phf> lizard hitler's stash << Jurrassic World topping the box office because Lizards are real
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mats: deedbot-: dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess.
mircea_popescu: but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park.
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, which is how snowden (1) got all the stuff in the first place.
mircea_popescu: <phf> lizard hitler's stash <<< yeah, aka "i'll believe this outside phenomena happened if and only if, and only to the degree it, confirms convictions i held previously and independently of reality"
mircea_popescu: the very dangerous dual edged blade of discipline.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215534 << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:28:06; nubbins`: nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things
mats: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 9 minutes and 8 seconds
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> << this was maybe os/x and generally crapple. it pretty much never was microsoft. microsoft was historically more like george costanza's annoying tune. << Unfortunately for everyone's enshittenment Constanza and Windows 95 ascended to prominence at roughly the same time.
BingoBoingo: Windows wasn't really even much of a thing apparently until Windows 95 when the local Walmart had lines for it thanks to "marketing"
pete_dushenski: "Drivers who work for Uber should verify their vehicles are insured for commercial use, the Insurance Bureau of Canada said Tuesday after the Alberta government concluded the ride-hailing service's insurance policies don't meet that province's requirements." << ayup. sv's 'sharing economy' is a whole whack of insurance fraud.
BingoBoingo: That was the moment where the transition went from every individual computer manufacterer's branded Microsoft DOS to the unified Windows monolith. It really is no wonder... considering what was going on at IBM in retrospect... that people though OS/2 had a chance
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's looking like to build a working Eulora Imma have to do it like Bitcoin-qt and hit delete a lot. This closed source Nvidia CS-toolkit is no bueno
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216110 << wake me up when surinam takes alaska and there is no army to oppose it.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:16:42; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're getting decimated alright, you're just not in a too good position to observe it i guess.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216111 << the difference between a 'opm' beating and a genuine one is that the beaten fella isn't back next week asking for more, at the end of a genuine one
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:17:19; mircea_popescu: but the beating usg is taking online for the past half decade makes the beating it's been taking on the ground in any military engagement since ww2 look like a piss in the park.
asciilifeform: instead, he is worm food.
mircea_popescu: there wasn't yet the fight to end boxing per se.
mircea_popescu: just individual boxers.
asciilifeform: usg is still in the ring.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything.
mircea_popescu: even using x a lot.
mircea_popescu: (x is a pos)
asciilifeform: when obamitler is impaled at nuremberg - then, done, yes.
asciilifeform: when ted turner is publicly bathed in sulfuric acid - then.
mircea_popescu: which is kinda why i was encouraging stuff like "rip off vlc's asciigfx codec and make an emacs eulora client"
mircea_popescu: why turner of all people ?
asciilifeform: random pick.
mircea_popescu: cuz then you're gonna say it was a coincidence.
mircea_popescu: or w/e, make a different random pick.
asciilifeform: just basic formula of 'when the lords are lowered into the most abject pederasty'
mircea_popescu: this basic formula of yours stays vague deliberately, for the obvious reason.
asciilifeform: for lack of basic info, yes. i very much believe that i do not know the names of the folks who need to bathe in the acid
asciilifeform: nor are they publicly observable
mircea_popescu: thus therefore what are we talkin aboot.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything. << Apparently the next .1 iteration of Crystal Space seeks to abolish the cs-toolkit dependency. In the interim I'll chop, maybe finally lean diff, and just perhaps make actual patches to shit.
BingoBoingo: Or wait for an emacs client
mircea_popescu: or just do what i do and run a random box for the purpose.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> there wasn't yet the fight to end boxing per se. << There was indeed http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/139018852/ufc-dana-white-firing-jacob-duran-twitter-rant
assbot: The UFC's Dana White is stuck in a PR quagmire. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQZMU5 )
mircea_popescu: ftr : dana is a common female name in romania
asciilifeform: in usa too
mircea_popescu: i have serious issues taking people named dana seriously.
asciilifeform: one of my uni profs, a grey old man, was named that
asciilifeform: wrote a spiffy poker bot
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Boxes are scarce, CPU's are scarce. Imma trying to make St Clair county my bitch while making sure all my computing fits on back for extended periods of time.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's a "cutman"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo what's a "cutman" << Stops the bleeding in between rounds.
BingoBoingo: Cutman is the only reason fights of interesting length happen
mircea_popescu: "It was just the latest in a string of calloused comments made by UFC's head honcho -- far from the diplomatic dialogue expected of the largest mixed martial arts organization"
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry... what ?!
mircea_popescu: expected ? by whom ? why ?
BingoBoingo: By Dana.
mircea_popescu: i do not expect the head of a headbashing federation to be "diplomatic", whatever that weans
mircea_popescu: i certainly don't expect the libertard definition of diplomatic to apply.
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these twerps already.
BingoBoingo: Everything?
mircea_popescu: then they have the gall to mock catholocs for being so-and-so.
mircea_popescu: libertards, worst cult ever.
BingoBoingo: My understanding is this UFC promotion killed the one way for its participants to get side-money at market rates.
mircea_popescu: "It was an expansive decision on the UFC's part, as the promotion claimed its main interest was to legitimize the sport by removing the tacky, albeit characteristic, fight gear that had become an emblem of the polarizing sport"
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. WHAT ?!
mircea_popescu: "The deal was reported to be worth $70 million over six years."
mircea_popescu: bad fucking deal.
mircea_popescu: they should have held out for 55 billion.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: how is it that no one has thought of issuing stock for athletes ?
BingoBoingo: Or 5 Billion
mircea_popescu: According to the released figures, a combatant with less than five fights in the UFC will make $2,500 in sponsorship money per fight
mircea_popescu: ahaha WHAT!!!
mircea_popescu: dude gtfo, they pay bums to streetfight more
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: how is it that no one has thought of issuing stock for athletes ? << They have only recently advanced to insuring "prospects" but stock will come
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform wanna get your head bashed in for 2.5k ?
asciilifeform: sounds appealing
mircea_popescu: be a star! make money! better career than gavin's!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hey asciilifeform wanna get your head bashed in for 2.5k ? << I would
asciilifeform: right now its phree
mircea_popescu: this is what you casually forget, when you keep thinking everyone else's doing so much better than you.
mircea_popescu: you neglect to consider that for most people we discuss, this would be a step up.
mats: ;;tslb
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mircea_popescu: gavin does the clown, for LESS MONEY than what the headbashers get.
hanbot: say asciilifeform, can this line from rotor step 6) be devague-ified? "and fill distfiles with tarballs, etc. as before."
mircea_popescu: because it's easier to play the clown, and A LOT more hitchhiker hos line up for it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not certain that it wouldn't be a step up for me! just think, instead of showing up to the office for a week, just one, just one punch in the head
mircea_popescu: mno. five separate sets of punches in head.
BingoBoingo would happily take 2.5 kilodollars to get beat provided a referee exists to call stoppage for tko. USD have been scarce here since misdemeanor thing started
mircea_popescu: after which you maybe get promoited to... 3,5k!
asciilifeform: hanbot: it means that the stator has to be set up in the same way as for classic stator - there is a 'distfiles' dir, the one with MANIFEST, that needs to have the tarballs placed therein
BingoBoingo: Who knows, head may feel better afterwards, would take offer.
asciilifeform: hanbot: you will have a dir, outermost, named what you like - e.g., 'rotor', and then rotor/toolchain and rotor/buildroot-xxx and rotor/stator, inside the latter - quite the same thing as in normal stator, other than the musl patch and the rotor.sh script (replacing the old stator.sh)
asciilifeform: hanbot: the basic idea of 'rotor' is that you have quite the same stator as before, but it is built with a toolchain (gcc and binutils) that were built for the occasion, and use musl
asciilifeform: (optionally)
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216196 << gotta understand, the thing i envy gavin and the boxer is the same thing - not-having-to-work+sleep-ad-libitum
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:51:29; mircea_popescu: gavin does the clown, for LESS MONEY than what the headbashers get.
asciilifeform: the lilies of the field, they toil not (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: i think the boxers sleep plenty lol.
hanbot: asciilifeform aha i see. ty!
asciilifeform: hanbot: i'm still trying to think of some way in which building that thing could possibly be easier !
asciilifeform: even now it's 95% automagic
BingoBoingo: Other side effect of recent UFC hullabaloo is fighters no longer get to wear distinctive attire into the ring.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seems drastically stupid
BingoBoingo: Built a brand on neon trunks covered in skulls, but Reebock doesn't think they can market it? FU
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: know that i think about 'sleep ad libitum' all day, every day, of the year. like thirsty man in desert.
mircea_popescu: just drop this "federation" or w/e it's called, start a new one. who gives a shit
mircea_popescu: who asked "ufc" anything.
BingoBoingo: Likely to happen
mircea_popescu: "oh you made it popular ? fuck you. you got no moat, drop dead".
BingoBoingo: Tis the way the world works
mircea_popescu: like shit did "ufc" make dudes beating each other popular.
mircea_popescu: what's next.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what's next. << Polish Americans without Asiatic features?
phf: gracie jj all over the place, like with karate in the 90s, and roughly as useful
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215645 << honestly, i occasionally buy their coffee here. the argentines are retarded enough that starbucks is practically the only retailer of non-american coffee.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:53:50; nubbins`: as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit
BingoBoingo: <phf> gracie jj all over the place, like with karate in the 90s, and roughly as useful << USeful enough for its particular role in the proscribed contest
mircea_popescu: they grind it on the spot, too
asciilifeform: all starbucks grinds on the spot
asciilifeform: machine does it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some shops here sell already ground coffee.
mircea_popescu: which is weird, but who am i to argue with the smartest people in the world.
assbot: Signs Of Erection | Philippines Fail BlogPhilippines Fail Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LR0d0I )
mircea_popescu: which live in a country that's not pobre.
hanbot: asciilifeform well fo' sho' when describing steps, be explicit about antecedents, i'll pay off the department of redundancy police department.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:56:14; asciilifeform: i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ?
asciilifeform: hanbot: the stator in question is precisely the customary stator (with the patches of your choice) but for the patch in 14-1 and the script 14-2 and 14-3 in place of the usual stator.sh and stator_bitcoin_only...
asciilifeform: also the dependency on 'realpath' is abolished.
hanbot: cool deal
asciilifeform: (read rotor.sh, it becomes very clear)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215670 << joke's on you for giving her an hour's space, seriously. what happened to the good old water squirting flower and buzzer handshake.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:58:45; nubbins`: second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her
asciilifeform: ~50 line.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pray tell, how does, e.g., genuine coffee, hurt ?
mircea_popescu: you know that feeling you get when something happens ?
asciilifeform: i can see the case for armchair war vs genuine war, etc
asciilifeform: but coffee ?
asciilifeform: ... something happens ??
mircea_popescu: yes. like, if you put a dab of icecream on your tongue, or if you open a creaky door, or if you catch a hare running off in the bushline
asciilifeform: but those things are why people live !
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215399 << tis an exceptionally comely pic of ms. silverman. most of the time she looks like it's laundry day.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:32:56; trinque: that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women
mircea_popescu: well, some people, yes.
asciilifeform: and others live for what? cocain ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it's cocaine. and no, others live for bland.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: very pretty, but why the face?
asciilifeform: hedgehog up her arse ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i dunno, she looks like this clever smart pleasant chick i wouldnt fuck in hs because no accoutrements and too hairy.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that's all part of the intrigue and mystery.
asciilifeform: also why are her hands 70 y.o. ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the dark hair is, yes, less than ideal.
asciilifeform: transplanted from old man ?
pete_dushenski: i dunno, her hands look fit for purpose to me.
asciilifeform: also if she bends any more, her midsection could snap
asciilifeform: like: twig.
asciilifeform: who is this gurl anyway
asciilifeform: journalist?
assbot: Sarah Silverman's The Aristocrats - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU2ZAQ )
asciilifeform tries to recall thread
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'comedian'
asciilifeform goes off to bed where he belongs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: She is profesional weed toker exploiter
pete_dushenski: silverman's 'the aristrocrats' is second only to bob saget's
assbot: Bob Saget - The Aristocrats (complete) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MU2ZRu )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "comedian", shtick mostly consisting of doing the tramp thing
mircea_popescu: or how do you call it in american, ball busting ?
mircea_popescu: which is on some level funny, considering she looks like a 13yo boy escaped from a siberian orphanage, but anyway.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but who will be laughing when Siberia fills with geothermal powered ASICs cooled by geography
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: mats prolly should put on T too
mats: once this goes through, i'll be updating the comments with a new revision
pete_dushenski: "Twitter Inc's shares fell more than 11 percent in extended trade on Tuesday after the microblogging company said its number of monthly average users grew at the slowest pace since it went public in 2013."
pete_dushenski: "Twitter said it had 304 million core users in the second quarter, up from 302 million in the prior quarter."
pete_dushenski: of those two million, how many were bots, one wonders.
pete_dushenski: or hey, mebbe 30 mn people left and 32 mn bots were added in last 3 months.
mircea_popescu: moreover, what the fuck does the "market" expect. what growth on 302 mn ?
mircea_popescu: there's barely that many people online.
pete_dushenski: "Total revenue rose 61 percent to $502.4 million."
pete_dushenski: "The company's net loss narrowed to $136.7 million, or 21 cents per share,"
mircea_popescu: yeah and operating loss rose 62% ?
pete_dushenski: still bleeding from the butt.
mircea_popescu: closest to green they ever get.
mircea_popescu: "i got a business idea that allows me to get 302 people vaguely interested while i lose 25 cents to the dollar!!1"
pete_dushenski: and unless they figure out how to squeeze juice from rocks, this may be the closes they ever get.
pete_dushenski: closest*
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well 302 would be bad enough, 302 mn really makes you wonder wtf is the matter with the 'business people'
pete_dushenski: "mebbe if we monetise the billion cell phone users in africa at $0.01 and somehow spend less than that, we'll be scrooge mcduck rich!"
mircea_popescu: basically, "paying 302mn people half a dollar each to derp on our site".
pete_dushenski: each of which, in return, pays every last penny of their spare attention.
mircea_popescu: if you live in the world where a click "is worth" 50 cents or whatever inane bs adwords experts powerpoint back and forth, i imagine it's a great deal.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather buy the uht / utf / whatever the fuck fighting thing was called from earlier
mircea_popescu: than twitter.
pete_dushenski: "Excluding items, Twitter earned 7 cents per share." << where 'items' are 'costs'. but who wants to make a big fuss about those ?
mircea_popescu: the former's not worth the 70 mn either, can have 500 muscle dudes for a lot less than 140k a head.
BingoBoingo: I haven't seen a source yet, but apparently rumours are Twitter hired that Randi Harper chick that Yahoo fired for meth...
pete_dushenski: "In the latest turn in the scandal, known as "Deflategate," Goodell said he affirmed the suspension in part because of the new revelation that Brady made "a deliberate effort" to keep investigators from reading text messages stored on the device." << sports leagues own their player's texts/sexts nao ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: NFL does
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BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: NFL unlike UFC has a history of established heirarchy this way.
BingoBoingo: Happens which each team has half of a hundred people on the competative roster
hanbot: asciilifeform / ml folks: from where is one supposed to get the items in "manifest"? eg openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215715 << not always. plenty of roasted beans shipped out of costa rica guatemala etc
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:08:09; nubbins`: phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ya, those nfl teams are enormous, which ties into my earlier comment about that new coach chica having a better shot in american football than anywhere else
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Right. NFL coaches very often never played at NFL level because... head trauma slims that pool.
phf: hanbot: upstream. there's mod6's early state of bitcoin posts that have urls/shasums
hanbot: phf i just realized, heh. thx.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:16:12; ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak
BingoBoingo: TwoDogGrave
mircea_popescu: lmao twodogegu
mircea_popescu: finally found a namer for nubbins`'s `.
phf: hanbot: you want message-id CADy547peeZfDJqnuQcq606tEJ_k_nmtBCFe7AYu4UaiOnd9hZQ@mail.gmail.com, UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: A Guide
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I have my doubts baseball will get a female coach anytime soon. Almost all of the coachins stafff is there to go mechanics, and there are skeletal differences. Also every now and then in baseball benches clear to the point managers trade blows
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215805 << how the fuck is it that libertards always end up with "forced participation" as a solution ?
BingoBoingo: Female umpire is perfectly immaginable though
mircea_popescu: oh, "co-ops" don't work because uneconomical ? THEY SHOULD BE MANDATORY
mircea_popescu: oh, our normative ideas about gender dynamics are bs ? SHOULD BE FORCED!!1
mircea_popescu: hey, people laugh at our notions of "earth sciences" ? BUILD CONSENSUS
hanbot: phf perfect
mircea_popescu: whatever happens they always turn around to forced participation, it's like the baseline of libertard.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ya, i could totally see that too
mircea_popescu: even fucking obamacare is ultimately the same "our shit dun work make it mandatory" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: im sure it'll work better then, dork.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Now female general manager could happen in baseball.
BingoBoingo: That seems inevitable actually
mircea_popescu: anyway, props to slate for managing to repackage the "us can't afford to host olympics, unlike both china and russia, because it sucks" into some sort of "do not want" because "notgood".
mircea_popescu: im sure it's not the us, it's the olympics.
BingoBoingo: It's probably both. I mean 2004 olympics didn't kill greece on its own, but was a symptom.
BingoBoingo: Also apparently BIP66 is being credited with solving a consensus bug... even though it caused consesnsus splits http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-July/009697.html
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Disclosure: consensus bug indirectly solved by BIP66 ... ( http://bit.ly/1H0TrPr )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215822 << you live in the wrong country for any sort of that.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:26:16; *: asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao idiots.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, that "vulnerability" had been well known, discussed in public here even, for long before the bip derpage.
mircea_popescu: but hey, "it was disclosed".
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215851 << no it's not dude. just because you saw the ~0.6% of this town i chose to show you doth not mean it's uniformly this you know.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 01:31:00; asciilifeform: it IS for EVERYONE in buenos aires
mircea_popescu: most locals can't even aford to live here.
BingoBoingo: Bonus Earth Science: Freshwater Bass are not giant mercury reservoirs, http://www.bnd.com/news/article29265391.html
assbot: Immigrants, poor fish for their dinner, unaware of mercury | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrgW9R )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51745 @ 0.00054028 = 27.9568 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: people usually lol at the ridiculous movie depiction of gunfire, but few notice the ridiculousness of gags.
mircea_popescu: seriously, you put a towel over her mouth and she's now silent 4ever ? wd!
mircea_popescu: actual gagging requires inflatable rubber thing.
BingoBoingo: Sure, just how like actual sex requires genitals, unlike in Hollywood
BingoBoingo: !up liquidassets
BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62400 @ 0.00054588 = 34.0629 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: How to absolutely ruin a *nix install, nth edition https://archive.is/8U5zJ
assbot: Lifehacker Pack for Linux: Our List of the Essential Linux Apps ... ( http://bit.ly/1ONTSmy )
pete_dushenski: libreoffice and gimp are fine. the rest can be done without.
BingoBoingo: Even LibreOffice is a bit much post-graduation
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker -market all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 289.0, vol: 9252.62771331 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 285.0, vol: 4616.63134 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 291.03, vol: 14552.60292135 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 297.99, vol: 3.2732026 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 289.006956, vol: 19109.25090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 290.68245, vol: 64.55273284 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 298.187999989, vol: 82.31997186 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo glad "runs bitcoin" has overtaken "runs dopewars" as the measure of a decent *nix
pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/3V9A2Z3.txt << for mod6, others who care to help troubleshoot 0.5.4-TEST1 on debian 7 x86 minimal
pete_dushenski: seems to be an issue with boost or gcc, but i'm not too sure.
pete_dushenski: anyone who's so kind as to offer me assistance, please speak slowly and carefully, as if you were talking to a 10-year-old version of yourself
pete_dushenski: ^was attempted after installing the following : update, upgrade, build-essential, automake, git, libbost-all-dev, pkg-config (the last four of which were installed because that's what i had on my own 'recipe' from 0.9.x install and i recognise that this was quite likely unnecessary)
punkman: pete_dushenski: did you put anything in distfiles/ ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Which component wants you to use "jam" instead of "make"
pete_dushenski: punkman: hm no ?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: also a good q. not sure.
jurov: fatal error: bzlib.h: No such file or directory << seems like original cause
punkman: oic, that stator.sh downloades the distfiles
punkman: do you have realpath?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Also if you were choosing one shit movie this year... prolly should have chose "Pixels" over "Spy"
jurov: try investigationg boost configure script, if it has libbz2 option and try disabling it
pete_dushenski: punkman: i do now. trying again.
punkman: realpath's getting old :/
pete_dushenski: cd <boost-root>/libs/config/
pete_dushenski: wtf are there '<' and '>' around 'boost-root ?
punkman: dpaste it again?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73253 @ 0.00051858 = 37.9875 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: 'undefined reference to `deflateInit_' '
pete_dushenski: collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
pete_dushenski: make: *** [bitcoind] Error 1
pete_dushenski: strip: 'bitcoind': No such file
pete_dushenski: next step : look into boost as per jurov's suggestion
BingoBoingo: JFK Shot First
punkman: pete_dushenski: check distfiles for a boost .tar.bz2
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i heard pixel was pretty awful. though 'trainwreck' is supposed to be worth a laugh or two. i'd see it just for 'cheapskate' lebron james lol
punkman: because running the command that downloads boost in stator.sh gives me an html file
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It got a lot of damning praise, but so far I've made it past the first 15 minutes. Furhter than I made it waith Spy and Spy was not a cam rip.
pete_dushenski: punkman: this, i will look in to.
Adlai: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00051858 / 0.00053618 / 0.00054996 (990832 shares, 531.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00050102 / 0.00053967 / 0.00059791 (25493380 shares, 13,758.13 BTC), 30D: 0.0003933 / 0.00053439 / 0.00060248 (103682847 shares, 55,407.26 BTC)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: This flick also features SIGINT ineptness
pete_dushenski: how so ?
pete_dushenski: not that this should be in any way surprising. it's a usg feature after all.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: They missed alien messages in Satellite TV shows
pete_dushenski: alrighty then.
pete_dushenski: well my eyes are done for the evening
pete_dushenski: so with that i bid ye all adieu
jurov: https://anvaka.github.io/pm/#/ alf prolly wanted this... but not suitable for wall poster, unless it'll be holographic
assbot: Code Galaxies Visualization ... ( http://bit.ly/1OB8yVx )
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski probably also takes the award for best film credits of the year
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: BBC NEWS | UK | Human species 'may split in two' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Irr9mJ )
Adlai: !s operandus
assbot: 2 results for 'operandus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=operandus
BingoBoingo: !s dependopatamus
assbot: 1 results for 'dependopatamus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dependopatamus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00051631 = 14.7923 BTC [-]
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance “The Curse of the Dependapotamus: Gay Marriage” ... ( http://bit.ly/1U643Gd )
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How is Africa's foreskin treating you nowadays?
fluffypony: it's the bomb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00051523 = 22.902 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I thought your foreskin surrendered the bomb when DeClerk gave it to Israel
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance “Happy Easter!” ... ( http://bit.ly/1U67IDI )
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216389 <<< aka how to load your *nix box with as many shitty apps to make it feel like winblowz as possible.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 06:29:53; BingoBoingo: How to absolutely ruin a *nix install, nth edition https://archive.is/8U5zJ
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58298 @ 0.00052262 = 30.4677 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53352 @ 0.00054982 = 29.334 BTC [+]
assbot: Heroku | No such app ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ky3tPG )
jurov: wd mircea_popescu
mats: lol
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 04:13:52; mats: deedbot-: dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 05:20:45; mats: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3QCXX90.txt
shinohai: np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3exljh/how_can_i_get_bitcoins_im_14_and_my_parents_dont/ <<<<LOLOL
lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=12884901891 (PGP Corporation Update Signing Key; PGP Corporation Update Signing Key ; ) <http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D9057DA7AEE12C725AA9408D47F4FFC3769BEF7891A0F9C0A9F38420C5C08AB#F79436B629322C70C523BAA5BE0D3D4DDA011578F84122B8CA3ABD15C52A9567>
asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can you please fix ^ ? ty
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: that bot ought to have some notion of history
asciilifeform: we discussed this! there is no reason for one of these links to ever appear twice.
shinohai: So thats what happened to all my pot brownies.
mircea_popescu: hory shit look at all the damage ddosing trilema hath wrought!!11
mircea_popescu: it's like... my lyf has no meaning nao halp halp
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216398 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216402 << if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc)
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 06:57:34; pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/3V9A2Z3.txt << for mod6, others who care to help troubleshoot 0.5.4-TEST1 on debian 7 x86 minimal
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 07:07:01; pete_dushenski: ^was attempted after installing the following : update, upgrade, build-essential, automake, git, libbost-all-dev, pkg-config (the last four of which were installed because that's what i had on my own 'recipe' from 0.9.x install and i recognise that this was quite likely unnecessary)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu!
mircea_popescu: in the flesh!
mircea_popescu: who died ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: have you a working 'rotor' ?
mircea_popescu: on a test box so far.
mircea_popescu: they only had one chain and one pair of shoes in the wardrobe... so they made do.
asciilifeform: and only one face
mircea_popescu: faces come from the fardrobe. very poorly supplied, especialyl for young women.
asciilifeform: apparently!
asciilifeform has always found this interesting
mircea_popescu: re earlier thread, this is the whole root if not the whole extension of "common human experience" : the indignity of childbirth and the precariousness of pretense.
mircea_popescu: both fundamentally female experiences.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216441 << what does this display on ?
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 08:27:59; jurov: https://anvaka.github.io/pm/#/ alf prolly wanted this... but not suitable for wall poster, unless it'll be holographic
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: i can't find a browser that eats it
jurov: phirephox
mircea_popescu: o look, it's a guy from new york!1
mike_c: Good morning
mircea_popescu: how's the smog today ?
mike_c: smog is bearable, heat and humidity are not.
mircea_popescu looks out... 17 celsius... coolish breeze... mmmkay.
mike_c: ;;calc (17 * 9 /5) + 32
gribble: 62.6
mike_c: ooh, that sounds nice
mircea_popescu: that's right.
asciilifeform: room temp
asciilifeform: year-round...
mircea_popescu: nah room temp is more like 20-21
mircea_popescu: depends how many naked womenz.
asciilifeform: machine room temp.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this has been a very bitter and cold winter. imagine, some of the sheargentinians actually had to wear pants!
mircea_popescu: instead of those cunt displaycase stocking things
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally - they call "tenias". which is everywhere else ... an intestinal parasite)
assbot: Bitcoin MMORPG Eulora Has Potential But Needs A Ton of Work - Digital Money Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrHIyK )
mircea_popescu: gotta love the research these people do.
mike_c: look what happened to me last week: https://unsee.cc/bitanuse/
assbot: Unsee — Free online private photo sharing ... ( http://bit.ly/1IrHN5E )
mircea_popescu: "it remains a bit unclear as to how many people are actually working on this project. Or to be more precise, it is unclear whether or not anyone is still developing Eulora at all."
asciilifeform: l0lwat, does that thing really need ms-vs to build ?!
asciilifeform: or fiction like rest of the article
mircea_popescu: mike_c somehow doesn't load anything for meh.
mike_c: ah, likely some unsee JS magic. anyhoo, it was a pic of my new baby girl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you want to build it you need a ricketty pile of bs. not sure if actually msvs or what.
asciilifeform: congrats mike_c
mircea_popescu: but jurov made some binaries
mike_c: thanks!
mircea_popescu: mike_c ooo grats!
asciilifeform: mike_c: how many children you have now ?
mike_c: boy and a girl, and we're done.
mircea_popescu: oh that's right, girly was coming. well... congrats on passing the bar of reproducing yourselves!
mircea_popescu: plenty of folks here behind on that score.
mike_c: we've done our part for the species.
mircea_popescu: whatcha gonna call her ?
mike_c: Elizabeth
mircea_popescu always thought sane names were underrated, happy to see them making a comeback.
mike_c: Yeah, I am a big proponent.
mike_c: that eulora blog post.. to leave a reply you have to be logged in - to his blog. It takes you to /wp-login/
mircea_popescu: this is actually how wp handles it.
mike_c: nice
mircea_popescu: you log in to comment same place admin logs in to admin
mircea_popescu: tons of holes in vanilla throughout its sad decade of history, too.
mircea_popescu: 07:09:24 punkman: do you have realpath? << i think we'll end up with this in the topic lmao.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thestringpuller yo, can i use your thing to send misses_c a box o biscuits now ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 12:28:51; jurov: wd mircea_popescu
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski <+punkman> do you have realpath? << Now that you have `realpath` installed, I'd try rebuilding the entire thing again. Thanks for testing!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup archive.is
gribble: archive.is is up
punkman: mod6, see also my next comment
mircea_popescu: oddly enough i can't get it. perhaps im banned ?!
punkman: curling the sourceforge URL gives me HTML. wget works though.
mircea_popescu: PING archive.is (149.202.33.193) 56(84) bytes of data. 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3003ms
mircea_popescu: newone sees it ?
mircea_popescu: (don't mind the 3ms ^C precision - i've yet to make a ping printout do two digit microsecond delays)
kakobrekla: my dns resolves archive.is to 178.79.131.122 instead
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216487 << srsly lobbes, that stuff's no good. people end up having to drop coins in the jar for that sorta thing.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:15:22; asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can you please fix ^ ? ty
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ah!
mircea_popescu: apparently they moved.
kakobrekla: linode now
mircea_popescu: stale local cache. thanks.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 Bundle works for me swimmingly, Debian 7 & 8 + Ubuntu 14.04 (already had packages installed) .
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: asciilifeform: if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) << are you infavor of releasing 'rotor'?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 180847 @ 0.00052491 = 94.9284 BTC [-]
mod6: having a fully deterministic everything is where we want to be. but I can't even get it to build yet myself. imho; we've got quite some time/work ahead of us on that.
shinohai: I have yet to build successfully on gentoo, BSD, and arm. gentoo because I don't have a system up yet, arm because I'm a retard when it comes to cross-compiling.
mike_c: mod6: any reason not to put your mining maps on the wiki? They look awesome btw.
mike_c: meaning on the wiki, as opposed to link to your site
mod6: thx. mainly as I'm kinda still sorta updating 'em, it's easier to update 'em on my side then to push 'em into the wiki every time.
mod6: but eventually, im sure they'll live/reside in the wiki itself.
mike_c: got it, makes sense.
mod6: congrats btw mike_c :]
mike_c: thanks :)
kakobrekla: aha yes congratulations, im sure you will be around even less now
mike_c: I think I actually joined this channel a few months after my first kid was born.
kakobrekla: color me surprised
mike_c: Gotta make sure I leave them something better than USD :)
kakobrekla: is that the excuse you use on your wife? :D
mike_c: She is amused by my "bitcoin friends"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130450 @ 0.00051701 = 67.444 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 07:21:43; pete_dushenski: http://dpaste.com/2KY4W7G.txt << with realpath
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mod6: hi pete_dushenski: yeah, did you see my last comment to you?
pete_dushenski: missed it
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:23:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216398 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216402 << if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc)
mod6: tell pete_dushenski <+punkman> do you have realpath? << Now that you have `realpath` installed, I'd try rebuilding the entire thing again. Thanks for testing!
mod6: so feel free to blow way all the build directories etc.
mod6: start over 100% since now you hvae realpath installed.
pete_dushenski: aha. i misunderstood the 'start from scratch' element. gotcha
mod6: np. gl.
pete_dushenski: cheers :)
mod6: i looked like to me that maybe something worked well after realpath was installed with boost, but maybe something didn't get copied over correctly with openssl.
mod6: *it
mod6: so better to start fresh and see. only takes a few minutes anyway.
pete_dushenski: mike_c: mazel tov !
mike_c: thanks :)
pete_dushenski: you're leading the way for ben and i here :D
mike_c: when are you due?
mike_c: Ah, good luck
pete_dushenski: mhm. luck will be needed for when the biological instincts fall flat !
mike_c: It's pretty easy, when it cries change its diaper and feed it.
shinohai: Congrats to the new father, and also to the fathers-to-be!
shinohai likes children but values his sanity.
pete_dushenski: mike_c: that's pretty much what i'm expecting
pete_dushenski: shinohai: cheers :)
mod6: hmmm
mod6: are you compiling as yourself or root?
mod6: well, thanks for giving it a try. not sure what's going on there atm.
pete_dushenski: np. always happy to play the tragic figure.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216599 << release is of source, rather than binary, so not sure how much of a difference it makes for the release. but it'd be nice if folks were bashing their heads agains the wall to build rotor - a fully de-drepperized bitcoin - than the old stator, imho
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 14:01:24; mod6: asciilifeform: if folks want to build obsolete crud, it is their business; but i would like to make sure they know that it is obsolete crud, and that i can either try to somehow support it XOR release new stuff ('rotor' etc) << are you infavor of releasing 'rotor'?
ascii_field: and i'm still waiting to learn what was actually going on
ascii_field: shinohai built his, for example
mod6: isn't rotor just 'old-stator' (from a few months ago) + buildroot & openssl patch?
ascii_field: mod6: it uses buildroot to generate a gcc and binutils clean of glibc
mod6: i ran into the the same problem as trinque with mine. and you told him 'get a computer'
ascii_field: and builds stator with it
ascii_field: mod6: were you able to build the toolchain ?
mod6: i built mine on a gentoo/nomultilib/glibc x86-64 host
mod6: yes.
mod6: well, plausibly.
ascii_field: can you compile a 'hello world' with it ?
mod6: my build failed during the BDB build
ascii_field: (use the envir vars set in rotor.sh)
mod6: other than basically trying it out that one time, i've been pretty hammered with other stuff to finish before month end.
ascii_field: mod6: your bdb and other tarballs in distfiles match the checksums in MANIFEST ?
mod6: wont really revisit until after the 1st.
shinohai: I'm going to try the pogo build with rotor again later this evening. So everyone wish me luck.
mod6: ascii_field: ya
mod6: that was all fine and dandy.
ascii_field: mod6: is there a link to the build output in the log ?
ascii_field: i too have been busy with other things, and lost track.
shinohai: I have very little to do all day in my situation, so throw any testing at me and I'll at least try.
phf: is rotor intended for general distribution, that is non-specialist should be able to download and do an independent turnkey build?
ascii_field: phf: yes.
ascii_field: phf: i determined, some months ago, that glibc is evil. and decided to abolish it from bitcoin.
ascii_field: !s glibc
assbot: 142 results for 'glibc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glibc
ascii_field: 'rotor' is the result.
mod6: ascii_field: there are a few pastes, it starts here: log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-15#1214475
mod6: probably 20 lines of log to wade throgh
phf: i remember, musl is pretty cool, it's part of the whole suckless movement
ascii_field: mod6: unfortunately there is not enough info in this paste to go on
ascii_field: phf: the other purpose of 'rotor' is to have a 100% deterministic build
ascii_field: the only way to have this is for everyone to also build the compiler
mod6: ok, so sometime next week, i'll rebuild again from scratch and paste the full log.
ascii_field: in other nyooz >> https://i.imgur.com/phCtDOk.png << microshit turns win10 box into torrent server for winblowz update, by default
phf: is bitcoind basically a new buildroot package or you're doing shellscripts? (sorry, i've not had a chance to look at rotor yet)
ascii_field: phf: for now, scripts. later - package
ascii_field: the reason i wrote it this way is that the result is intended to be used on a normal linux box
ascii_field: (rather than a linux produced by buildroot)
phf: aaah
shinohai: reddit wants to know when the windows release will be ready xD
ascii_field: l0lwat
phf: qemu with buildroot.img packed into binary -> bitcoind.exe :]
shinohai: lol phf
shinohai: the irc cloud has apparently evaporated
shinohai: !up ascii_field
assbot: "Reasonable" - Cop Jumps In Marine's Car, Shoots Him To "Save Himself" | Cop Block ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyGVyn )
assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 11:50:54; mircea_popescu: cazalla nah it's just, as the gulf between society and government widens, the ability of society to maintain social order decays. people start taking it upon themselves to provide for their own security, the most vulnerable groups (foreign language speaking, poor immigrants) overstot, which induces negative reactions in the public,
assbot: Ron Paul Slams Gen. Wesley Clark: Is He Kidding, Internment Camps? | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyHCYn )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: '“We have got to identify the people who are most likely to be radicalized,” he continued. “We’ve got to cut this off at the beginning. I do think on a national policy level we need to look at what self-radicalization means because we are at war with this group of terrorists.”' << win
assbot: Wesley Clark: “Disloyal Americans” should be tossed in internment camps for the “duration” of the war on terror - Salon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyI2hn )
lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216490 << aye. You are correct. I will take a look at this tonight; see if I can't find some way to implement a history of some sort
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:15:45; asciilifeform: we discussed this! there is no reason for one of these links to ever appear twice.
ascii_field: ty lobbes
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 13:30:22; jurov: phirephox
jurov: the end is nigh.
ascii_field: jurov: be so kind as to post a screenshot of whatever that thing was ?
jurov: http://www.explo.yt/Code_Galaxies_Visualization_-_debian.png as it's 3D this does not do it justice, the fat dot is libc6
ascii_field: jurov: is there a picture with text ?
jurov: it shows mouseover text only for one dot at a time
ascii_field: seems pretty useless
ascii_field: 'rat's nest'
trinque: mats: time for me to switch deedbot- to the next tank :)
trinque: one sec and I shall
mats: kay, if you'd get that paste i've been trying to jam in there, that'd be great
mats: is it out of coins or wut?
trinque: yup, it is in the db
mats: i think i put three or more duplicates in there in the last two days, feel free to delete em
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1BkCTj36DMdcF8TVa1by9zfwdcMFm3VAES ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPhsJp )
trinque: the unconfirmed one should be the one you're waiting on
trinque: it'll upload to the site shortly
mats: excellent
trinque: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: 04:49:25 mircea_popescu: they should have held out for 55 billion. << lol
williamdunne is looking for work, enquire within
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://demo.talentpools.info << what is this horror ?
assbot: Home TalentPools ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPjv03 )
ascii_field: williamdunne: what kind of work
trinque: http://proofofdev.com/ << here's another
assbot: Proof of Developer | Cleaning up the Crypto Community one developer at a time. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPjLw2 )
trinque: mmmmarketing tripe!
ascii_field: trinque: the one linked earlier, has a qntra news feed
ascii_field: appears to be written by Azelphur
trinque: wat
trinque: in-wot jobs board isn't that bad an idea, really
trinque: could just deedbot your resume and announce here, though
Azelphur: I wrote something? o.O
ascii_field: 'Powered by BitRecruiter Written in pyth by Azelphur'
Azelphur: Please note that I am a programmer and did not write any of the content
ascii_field: https://cryptome.org/2015/07/wapo-yanks-crypto.pdf << >> 'WaPo-Yanked Op-Ed Supporting Ubiquitous Crypto'
williamdunne: ascii_field: Programming (C#, Java, can learn other things), banking relationships, web development. Really anything that can get me a few bob each month
williamdunne: For the right job with additional incentives aside from salary I'd work sub-minimum
trinque: this notion that it's even possible to ban a mathematical formula is insane.
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: dunno that there's a better measure of american hubris than that.
ascii_field: trinque: as i understand, the story isn't about '90s-style bans, but smoke to distract from the fact the 'smartPnohe' etc. is thoroughly pwned and usg-controlled on every level, 'crypted' or not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00054883 = 18.1663 BTC [+]
trinque: yeah, makes sense.
shinohai: Easiest way to spy on your citizens is to put a device in every household they can't resist.
trinque: t-telescreen?
trinque: that's what I call my android phone
trinque: I don't know that even Mr. Huxley would've ever dreamt you'd carry the thing around with you.
ascii_field: orwell
trinque: who'd be so dumb?
trinque: ah I'm sorry, you're right.
ascii_field: huxley was optimist! his phyootoor had endless dope and all-day-long fuck for everyone
phf: huxley is the one who predicted that you would carry such a device and you would love it
trinque: still waiting on that soma
trinque: phf: right
assbot: Police Officer Involved in Deadly Cincinnati Shooting Indicted for Murder - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPoz4k )
decimation: ^ apparently in some places 'rule of law' kinda applies to cops
ascii_field: wake me up when they hang lon horiuchi
assbot: Special Report: Ukraine struggles to control maverick battalions| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPsE8B )
trinque: "Moscow must burn."
trinque: a) hilarious, good luck kid, and b) great excuse for russia to do whatever the hell it wants next
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Code Police: Welcome ... ( http://bit.ly/1DPtnqy )
mircea_popescu: what work exactly williamdunne ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Programming preferred, but anything that pays and I'm capable of, which I'd like to imagine is a fairly wide range of things
mircea_popescu: come to argentina start a black market dollar trading empire.
mircea_popescu: the locals are broadly speaking too retarded to qualify as frogs.
williamdunne: I lack capital, but conceptualized a service that could handle such things
williamdunne: (Friend is working on something similar for India/Brazil)
mircea_popescu: forget "service" dood. stop trying to abstract your ass from the fucking, that's not how it works.
mircea_popescu: go on the street, it's where life happens.
mircea_popescu: that's what the local derps are daydreaming too, "services" and "platforms" and their mother's wide cunts.
phf: hypothetically speaking how does a black market dollar trading works? bring cash past border control, sell to locals at margin?
mircea_popescu: phf buy and sell from locals, organise couriers to keep bringing bills in to help me bring down the fucktarded slow motion socialism they call "peroniosm" here
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how does bringing green pieces of paper from up north help bring down anyone ?
mircea_popescu: whole shebang's got maaaaaybe a coupla years left of "podremos vivir mejor" and "victoria es tener un trabajo y non necesitar un secundo" left in it.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field because they're worthless.
ascii_field: am i thick or what
williamdunne: What is the primary method of getting Argentinian toilet paper back into dollars?
mircea_popescu: you wait for a coupla years, then buy the pick of the crop of the current 12 yo women and sell them to brunei.
mircea_popescu: by then they'll just be startin' the bleedin'.
ascii_field: i mean, when i visited i traded mircea_popescu a bit of usd for coin. how did he use them to put a small hole in 'peronism' ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the less control over the currency the soi-dissant state enjoys, the closer it gets to its pissant destiny.
punkman: mircea_popescu: how much USD can one bring when entering .ar ?
mircea_popescu: and ~currency~ means something specific. the ~current~ medium of exchange.
mircea_popescu: punkman usual 10k or whatever you feel like stashing.
ascii_field: 10k is the traditional legal limit usa-side
punkman: around 10k euros around europe too
mircea_popescu: some people bring half mil to a mil, but then you run the risk of having to maybe shoot the dummies.
punkman: are there euros in .ar black market?
mircea_popescu: some people prefer to not bother. either way.
mircea_popescu: sort-of, yeah.
ascii_field: if the $mil fits in your pocket, you probably won't have to shoot anyone
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the half mil fits in a large travel bag.
mircea_popescu: you've seen dollars before, yes ?
punkman: if they catch you with half-a-mil do they just confiscate?
mircea_popescu: no, you shoot them.
mircea_popescu: fucking confiscate, what is this.
mircea_popescu: "if you give that nimrod fifteen hundred dollars i'll shoot him on general principle."
ascii_field: probably safer to have this bad outside, vs inside of usa!
mircea_popescu: anyway. bring some friends, the hos you can't do without, some money and i guess handguns if you don't care for the chinese half-and-half crap.
ascii_field: half and half ?
mircea_popescu: (new chinese smg! shoots every other bullet!1"
ascii_field: l0l! mircea_popescu has one ?
ascii_field: i hear it's made for export only
ascii_field: .cn army does not field this.
mircea_popescu: yeah. to argentina and morocco
mircea_popescu: and any other places inhabited by the sort of retard.
ascii_field: incidentally, i've wondered when u.s. folks travelling with cash usd will learn about thermite as countermeasure to 'confiscator'
ascii_field: was sop for sov. diplomatic couriers
mircea_popescu: why blow money over some twerp ? blow the twerp.
punkman: !up thestringpuller
ascii_field: instruction, iirc, was '1) hit red button 2) open fire'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: game-theoretical instrument
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cools the ardour of the enemy, cheaply
thestringpuller: <mircea_popescu> yo, can i use your thing to send misses_c a box o biscuits now ? << we do cookies...
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't think you understand what the word "stupid" means.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cow is stupid. still learns to avoid the barbed wire
phf: mircea_popescu: so the idea is to basically work as exchange, but with black market rate premium, whatever it is 30-40%, and a wider buy vs sell spread?
mircea_popescu: phf the idea is to basically work as an exchange, yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33158 @ 0.00052485 = 17.403 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dollar trades 13.8-14.2 atm, "officially" at 8.whatever, in the sense that if you're a farmer and you sell soy, you're going to be paid for the dollars you bring in at that rate.
mircea_popescu: otherwise not meaningful.
mircea_popescu: govt is essentially running a 60% arbitrage on the last remaining productive leg of the place, which is fucking soy farming.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's no shortage of work to be had here. and i mean serious work.
mircea_popescu: the shortage is i can't get enough people
mircea_popescu: but i mean people not social media derps.
ascii_field: people people, aha
phf: hmm
mircea_popescu: i imagine this is by now a worldwide problem.
ascii_field: which 'this' ?
mircea_popescu: can't find people.
mircea_popescu: lol wait, gmaxwell and mike hearn bitching at each other on reddit as to who should go do an altcoin ?
mircea_popescu: the mpsecution rests.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: Last week, Retired General Wesley Clark, who was NATO commander during the US bombing of Serbia, proposed that “disloyal Americans” be sent to internment camps for the “duration of the conflict.”
mircea_popescu: ahaha wut.
mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, everything's rosy over at nigger house! they're so happy with the way shit's going they're gonna buy everyone a round!
ascii_field: ... of zyklon b ?
mircea_popescu: whatever they can afford.
mircea_popescu: gettit ? can ?
mircea_popescu: bwahahahah
mircea_popescu: oh lawdy i kill myself!
mircea_popescu: GEDDIT ?!?!?!
ascii_field somehow found himself implementing an ip stack
jurov: ascii_field: do you have a terminal emulator stashed anywhere?
jurov: everything i can find is married to gtk
ascii_field: jurov: 'screen'
assbot: GNU Screen - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kz9Ja6 )
ascii_field: the only other one i've used in the past decade was 'minicom'
mircea_popescu: screen for the ween!
ascii_field: before that.... 'kermit' !
ascii_field: for msdos.
mircea_popescu: no no, screen's good.
ascii_field: i literally can't recall any other than these 3.
ascii_field: (at one point i owned an actual 'glass tty' ibm terminal, but parents threw it out)
jurov: ithings just came down into adding terminal emulator to eulora and i'm weighing down the options
ascii_field: lol, like the one in 'quake' ?
jurov: i'm blissfully unaware of quake
mircea_popescu: better than the one in quake.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10542 @ 0.00052485 = 5.533 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.00052629 = 44.0505 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 15:35:31; *: shinohai likes children but values his sanity.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 15:55:28; phf: i remember, musl is pretty cool, it's part of the whole suckless movement
jurov: musl is alternative libc
mircea_popescu: i know what musl is.
shinohai: I guess I was unwittingly a poet today.
mircea_popescu: what movement is he on aboot ?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzcUON )
ascii_field: not, afaik, affiliated with the musl folks in any direct sense
mircea_popescu: omg this exists ?
ascii_field: but they link to it
shinohai: I was just about to respond to the pic mircea_popescu posted. Such sanctimonious horseshit makes me sick.
assbot: Stuff that rocks | suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzd2ho )
mircea_popescu: is this a sort of gabriel_laddel pre gabriel_laddel ?
shinohai: Raw fucking potato indeed, what is this Latvia?
assbot: Philosophy | suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzd6xI )
mircea_popescu: suckless conference 2015, Budapest
mircea_popescu: slcon2 will be held in Budapest on Oct 30-31 2015.
mircea_popescu: This time it’ll be a conference for invited participants only.
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: unretarded people exist. what a day!
ascii_field: existed for years
assbot: people | suckless.org software that sucks less ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzdgoP )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't know everything!
mircea_popescu: "We believe this should become the mainstream philosophy in the IT sector." << it IS the mainsteam philosophy. just a bunch of barnacles hanging on.
assbot: sta.li stali - static linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2sgrj )
mircea_popescu: ok, i like these people.
assbot: The Duct Tape Programmer - Joel on Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2snmV )
phf: systemd was really the last nail in the coffin, this stuff was going on for a while, like freedesktop.org which is a open standards body (?) for all the retardation that came out of kde/gnome and "linux on desktop"
mircea_popescu: phf "you may have your thing revolutionize the world provided you agree to make it not change anything".
mircea_popescu: anyway. spolsky's making a mess of things. what a dumb article.
phf: of what i saw jwz wrote some tight no nonsense code, i think it's an unfair characterization of him. i guess things are seen different from microsoft mgmt perch
mircea_popescu: missing antecedent here. what ?
ascii_field: jwz took a big, fat shit into the software ecosystem
ascii_field: unrepentantly, proudly
ascii_field: in my mind he represents the sv idiot culture
phf: mircea_popescu: in the duct tape programmer spolsky used jamie zawinski, jwz, as his main example, and i think it's an odd, backhanded characterization, that's mainly there to drive a point about something that spolsky imagined
gabriel_laddel: jwz also failed to use his winnings productively.
mircea_popescu: you are actually both right and apparently well informed.
jurov: re: suckless actually 'dvtm' terminal emulator may be what i asked for
trinque: ah suckless... I ran dwm for quite a long time
mircea_popescu: what an exciting day.
assbot: Swordfish90/cool-retro-term · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2twuI )
mircea_popescu: "When asked why he jumped into the window by investigators, Nordman responded, “[to] make the driver stop the car. He didn’t seem like he was gonna… tak[e] me seriously enough – me being outside the car and telling him to stop – so I figured I’d get inside and make him stop.”"
mircea_popescu: ahh, the primary driver of usg agent behaviour - that ever present gnawing fear at the back of the skull that who knows, maybe someone somewhere is laughing at them
jurov: i have even found an opengl term that's supposed to rotate char at cursor :D but from 2002
jurov: but reasonably recent and not bloated things are hard apparently
mircea_popescu: "Nordman and Heron have been cleared of all criminal wrongdoing in the incident and have received no disciplinary action from the department despite an internal review."
gernika: ascii_field is there a summary of sv idiot culture somewhere that enumerates the major flaws? My own experience of it is that it is sort of a fraud culture in which fraud "prototypes" are developed to be sold to google/facebook/apple for marketing purposes.
mircea_popescu: gernika so there you go.
ascii_field: gernika: ultimately it is a set of pigs competing for trough of the u.s. fed arse-mouth-system printing usd to buy stocks with
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1216765 << who's the nick denton of shit=po ? are they quitting ?
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 18:09:48; ascii_field: https://cryptome.org/2015/07/wapo-yanks-crypto.pdf << >> 'WaPo-Yanked Op-Ed Supporting Ubiquitous Crypto'
gabriel_laddel: !up diana_coman
mircea_popescu: or is that only if you bother some random anon faggot ?
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 18:11:58; trinque: this notion that it's even possible to ban a mathematical formula is insane.
trinque: certainly.
punkman: jurov, did you see this http://st.suckless.org/ ?
assbot: suckless.org st - simple terminal ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2ujM0 )
mircea_popescu: every "ban" comes from the same happy place of insanity.
gernika: Seems like the fraud model took over in the 90s and resulted in the first bust.
phf: ascii_field: was talking purely about his programming style. he writes like an oldfag without "paradigms", focused
mircea_popescu: "I would like Ukraine to lead the crusades," said Korchynsky, whose battalion's name is Saint Mary. "Our mission is not only to kick out the occupiers, but also revenge. Moscow must burn."
mircea_popescu: ahaha pretty great.
ascii_field: phf: eh, so does everybody over ~30
mircea_popescu: burn moscow in the name of xtianity ?
mircea_popescu: "No political force should have, and will not have, any kind of armed cells. No political organization has the right to establish ... criminal groups," Poroshenko said on July 13.
mircea_popescu: disarm the police, we'll talk. maybe.
jurov: punkman the problem is, i need it to draw on opengl canvas
mircea_popescu: jurov you sure ?
mircea_popescu: client already has a display thing, hook it.
jurov: yes it is posible to place it as fixed X child window but then it's forever limited to linux/X
jurov: i don't reject that altogether, will see how it goes
punkman: jurov, this might be relevant https://code.google.com/p/fbterm/
assbot: fbterm - a fast FrameBuffer based TERMinal emulator for linux - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzgBEc )
jurov: oh i did not mean so lowlevel, there are already text primitives provided
mircea_popescu: jurov no but i mean... read say diana's code, she's usiong native functions to output text in a window
jurov: yes but it's "dumb terminal"
mircea_popescu: let cs handle the canvas bs for you is by far the best idea. and only toucvh the radioactive pile of crap it is via the client api for oyur own safety.
jurov: phf that's the ancient thing with rotating letter i mentioned
phf: oh, right
jurov: it can't even get pty properly
jurov is sad to label 2002 stuff as ancient
phf: you could use something like https://github.com/selectel/pyte with cs3d's python plugin. that sounds unholy though
assbot: selectel/pyte · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kzh8pJ )
jurov: phf: that may have worked if eulora used wxwidgets from cs
jurov: but it does some "paws" homebrew stuff without py bindings
jurov: btw, i naively created swig py bindings just for network messages, .py and .cxx it came out several MB
jurov: and i had to comment out structs nested inside classes
jurov: it eventually compliled, did not dare to try it yet
jurov: as it was said earlier when boost was discussed, either it gets used or some crappy homebrew replacement
jurov: CS does the latter
diana_coman: cs pretty much insists on replacing everything for some reason
diana_coman: from what I saw so far
phf: well, no, the approach would be to implement necessary drawing primitives on top of existing console in eulora (they are probably already there, just need to be catalogued), expose those primitives via python interface, and then hook the primitives into pyte's rendering callbacks. wxwidgets are not involved anywhere
punkman: what's the purpose of this anyway?
assbot: Eulora client Freenode patch on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KzhUDk )
jurov: phf, python will be for things that are likely to change, players scripting actions
jurov: i am not passing output and esp. keyboard/mouse input through that just to draw terminal emulator
phf: :>
jurov: dvtm is few concise 3kloc C files that know how to manage MxN text matrix+attributes
jurov: btw williamdunne everyone is hating on eulora that it does not have official website, you're welcome to put together one
jurov: and get paid in quality bits of nothing ;D
shinohai: "get paid in quality bits of nothing" <<< Dogecoin ?
jurov: lol no it's real eulora item
shinohai: ^______________^
jurov: http://www.mod6.net/eulora/v0.1.0/eulora_010.png here's mod6 posing next to heap of them
jurov: he's just a bit awkward with camera
shinohai: Seems like everyone here plays this game but me. :/
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
diana_coman: so come over in eulora shinohai
shinohai: I absolutely suck at gaming. The last thing I played and enjoyed was probably Mario Kart.
diana_coman: ha ha, you never know until you try it though
jurov: please don't, eulora is a plot to sabotage the foundation efforts
shinohai: Besides tetris, which I can play inside my irc client.
diana_coman: ah wow, haven't played that in some years, hmmmm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00054899 = 11.968 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: shit jurov's on to me.
williamdunne: jurov: How convertible are bits of nothing, and how many bits of nothing would it be worth? For personal reasons need some liquid money in my life
mircea_popescu: one's worth like 11 satoshi orsome such.
mod6: jurov: lol, awkward?
jurov: mod6 all shots are from behind
mod6: i play in 3rd person follow
jurov: williamdunne it's not paid per contract, just classical la serenissima voluntary debt
jurov: mircea_popescu will arrange 20 virgins for you when you die or some such
mircea_popescu: jurov nah, diana got like 1k slithy tove.
mircea_popescu: she's the queen of whimsy nao, we all gotta bow to her for samovar goodness.
jurov: guess she has no use for virgins posthumously :D
diana_coman: ha ha jurov
jurov: but seriously, eulora's economy is several BTC worth by now
jurov: i got bitcents worth of nifty items, too, for free (and overpaid for others.. that's life)
mircea_popescu: actually eulora economy is like 10 btc.
punkman: what would some starter mining/crafting tools cost me?
punkman: too bad I lost the bezzlebag :/
jurov: you can mine barehanded
diana_coman: punkman you can even mine with your hands for that matter, so for free
mircea_popescu: punkman you can mine for free, ill give you some bits of nothing for your tinies for free also.
diana_coman: and bits of nothing are like 11-12 satoshi or you'll prolly get some for free from someone (me even)
mircea_popescu: you can buy thread for your smalls, i sell high q stuff at ~430 each
mircea_popescu: but prolly best off selling your smal claims to a higher mienr for cash or a cut or w/e
trinque: williamdunne: iirc gabriel_laddel had common lisp work
trinque: might inquire with him
assbot: The best Obamacare-makes-healthcare-affordable story you ever heard. Also, survivalism. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1U7IODO )
mircea_popescu waves at lobbesbot
mircea_popescu: <jurov> phf: that may have worked if eulora used wxwidgets from cs << rewriting it on wxwidgets not illegal ftr.
hanbot: achtung noobkart. stator's distfiles manifest lists a boost bz2, ml67 pulls in gz. bz2 from sourceforge doesn't match manifest's sha512sum, where is correct bz2 located?
trinque: sourceforge are scum
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/20670SX.txt )
trinque: I can put my copies of the distfiles on deedbot.org
trinque: which do match.
mircea_popescu: she had me at achtung noobkart. sort-of like you know, armored ?
trinque: haha
hanbot: trinque ya but said ml67 pulls in from sourceforge, whaddamigonnado. deedbot would be great
trinque: I dunno ask ben_vulpes
hanbot: mircea_popescu with trumpets flatulant
trinque: db and openssl are also there
hanbot: thanks tringue. still doesn't match sha512sum however (boost)
hanbot: i'd assume i'm doing something horribly backwards except that db and openssl check out.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217073 << i think you mean williamdunne's scoopbot_revived
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 22:09:21; *: mircea_popescu waves at lobbesbot
shinohai: @ hanbot I had same boost issues, had to roll my own
pete_dushenski: which, if it's acting up, isn't much of a cv, mr. dunne !
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hanbot: shinohai i noticed in logs, yeah. so asciilifeform , when you're around: where oh where is stator's boost bz2 from?
mod6: hanbot: prior to stator we used .tar.gz on boost, not sure why alf started using .bz2 at that point.
hanbot: mod6 interesting. anyway i want to see what he sez.
pete_dushenski: lel. yelp! lost a quarter of its 'value' today.
shinohai: I didn't know you could value yelp! in negatves
pete_dushenski: let this be a lesson to 'i just want to make a service' kids
pete_dushenski: yelp market cap now 1.87 bn and is down 70% this year. wd sv !
pete_dushenski: sorry, -70% in past 12 months, -54% in 2015
pete_dushenski: actually now back to march 2013 ipo price of ~$25
trinque: hanbot: does on my end
trinque: wtf?
trinque: what's the shasum you have
trinque: yelp, also scum
trinque: as far as I can tell their business model is extortion
trinque: $ sha512sum boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
trinque: fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
trinque: hanbot: ^ from the server
trinque: that's what I have in my stator manifest
mod6: fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
mod6: i get the same thing on mine -- the (bitcoin-v0_5_4-TEST1.tar.gz has a script that pulls that one via curl command):
mod6: curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2" -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
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mod6: and this is what all of my older v0.5.3.1 builds have pulled down for the .tar.gz:
mod6: 8de651beb9a48f91f8a797f44966b8f25c3351d6893c1d79969aeb2ded3adeaf8fc14aa9b8a4410081dde9ef155330b41a4982a62b55adde40bb73f0066c74a2 distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.gz
punkman: mod6: above curl command doesn't work for me
mod6: did you enter the line above it first?
mod6: i put this in the stator.sh script. it pulls them down, have tried on 3 different environments of my own, and independantly verified 2x otherwise.
mod6: anyway, this is all gonna change.
mod6: punkman: did you try the line above it first? the first line: boost="http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" << sets a environment variable. is required for the second part to work: curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2" -s -o distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
mod6: anyway, that has nothing to do with anything
punkman: mod6, yeah it worked now, but got html more than once
mod6: because alf's original stator doens't have that in there.
mod6: he expects everyone to pull down their own bundles.
mod6: The Foundation isn't going to ship these builds scripts any more. We're just going to ship source code for bitcoin.
mod6: How one builds the source is entire up to the user. There may be preferred way so of doing this, such as 'rotor' and so forth. And we'll participate in creating cookbooks and guides on how to do this. But we no longer are going to fight through these environment problems.
punkman: just host the dependencis on therealbitcoin.org
mod6: No no.
mod6: Only in some sort of catestrophic circumstance will we do such a thing.
mod6: Like sourceforge goes away, or OpenSSL gets a million pound shit dropped on its head.
trinque: mod6: I think that's wise, actually.
trinque: it's a neverending mess
mod6: Trying to create a one-size-fits-all script for everyone to use to build this thing is not going to work. And how does one bundle up something such as 'rotor' and end up not maintaining buildroot and everything else? That's a game that I'm not interested in playing. And it's dangerous for us to go that direction.
mod6: We're gonna do what we do, deliver bitcoin source code.
mod6: The rest is all secondary.
mod6: And truly none of our business.
mod6: If asciilifeform needs a fully deterministic static bitcoind for his use, then sure, he can use whatever means he needs to achieve that.
mod6: And if someone wants to run a dynamically linked version? Who are we to tell them 'no'?
mod6: That all being said, I'm super glad that 'rotor' is out there now, and I hope to learn and use it one day myself. Maybe even this week! But that shouldn't be something that we deliver.
mod6: That should be something that you use for what we deliver.
trinque: its clearly a separate concern from the source itself, aside from which roof it is under.
shinohai: I like everything except this goddamned pogo. If I had gasoline in the house I'd set it afire this very moment.
mod6 takes away shinohai's matches
mod6: Porkchop time!
shinohai: I'm a smoker, I have tons of lighters. :D
mod6: haha
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trinque: dude, there's a lot of talent in the suckless wot
trinque: http://sta.li/ << neat concept
assbot: sta.li stali - static linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIX9Y2 )
trinque: http://www.radare.org/r/ << another one of their guys
BingoBoingo: This also looks promising http://morpheus.2f30.org/
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shinohai: Daily Windowze10 lolz from 4chan: https://i.imgur.com/s274w4E.png
trinque: BingoBoingo: neat
BingoBoingo: trinque: Linked from that sta.li page you posted
trinque: oh shit it uses a unionfs for packages!
trinque: a la haiku
trinque: love that.
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trinque: I'm curious why these guys don't seem to have considered using openbsd as a basis
trinque: given their expressed love of simplicity
trinque: the linux kernel is the biggest wad of complexity in... linux
trinque: seems most of their stuff would run happily atop it
hanbot: trinque my sha512sum was of old, stale item. refreshed, matches, tyvm.
trinque: ah, cool.
phf: trinque: probably same reason openbsd is not the blessed b-a target platform
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_modem
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 22:58:15; mod6: How one builds the source is entire up to the user. There may be preferred way so of doing this, such as 'rotor' and so forth. And we'll participate in creating cookbooks and guides on how to do this. But we no longer are going to fight through these environment problems.
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't think he's saying that, merely that aside from the makefile, perhaps the larger build system should be a separate concern
trinque: if it was that, sounds pretty reasonable to me
trinque: I think he's just trying to limit the scope of what constitutes a foundation release
trinque: but I'll let the man speak for himself
trinque: I can see how the thing tends towards "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe" otherwise
trinque: phf: why's that in your opinion?
trinque: I'm about ready to give linux the permaboot
trinque: though I suppose in terms of hardware support (pogo, so on) it does better.
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BingoBoingo: linux per se doesn't seem to be the problem so much as linus, as traditionally implemented is
mod6: <+trinque> asciilifeform: I don't think he's saying that, merely that aside from the makefile, perhaps the larger build system should be a separate concern << exactly this. Makefile stays ofc.
trinque: mod6: right-o
shinohai: If anyone gets rotor to successfully build on the pogo, please, by all means contact me.
trinque: shinohai: are you trying to compile for the pogo, or *on* the pogo?
trinque: because the latter results in oomkill iirc
trinque: I tried it for the hell of it a while back
trinque: on a debian pogo
shinohai: trinque: *for* the pogo. *on* the pogo is just dumb.
shinohai: Boost alone takes like 10 hours to build.
trinque: haha just checking
trinque: alright so I'm seeing something
trinque: mod6: maybe you guys need a build/test crew.
trinque: so you can stop fucking worrying about it
trinque: that I could probably help with.
shinohai: Hell, I even got it to build on Ubuntu, the dumbest of Linux systems I know of.
trinque: my C++ is middling to poor, but I can bash it up all day
shinohai: Me too :/
shinohai: Except my C++ is poor, no question about it.
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: good afternoon
ag3nt_zer0: hey trinque same to you... how's life?
trinque: s'alright, hacking and drinking beer at a local pub. yourself?
ag3nt_zer0: sounds great
ag3nt_zer0: s'ok man... i started a countdown that clicks away until I plan to embark on a two year backpack around the world
phf: trinque: linux seems to support everything and with some effort you could strip it down somewhat. i think linux also has a policy of never breaking abi, so if you're into static compilation, like ascii said sometime ago "if stator binary breaks on your other linux something's very very wrong"
ag3nt_zer0: which means it hasnt been that great haha but I am looking forward to getting the fuck out of here so there is a light on the horizon
ag3nt_zer0: 10 months, 18 days
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: sounds like the ussa bureaucracy has been rough, yeah
trinque: I'd like to do the backpack thing at some point too
trinque: phf: yeah, I can see that
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ag3nt_zer0: trinque: exactly... not to mention the twatbrains that constitute the majority of my contemporaries
ag3nt_zer0: this room seems to be the only place wherein any type of free discussion takes place... not stultified by PC and other too-intense sentimentalisms
trinque: cheers to that.
ag3nt_zer0: what kind of beer you sipping?
trinque: garbage, rainier
ag3nt_zer0: aht part of the states you in trinque?
trinque: I hail from portland, or
ag3nt_zer0: oh, nice
trinque: formerly austin tx
trinque: yourself?
ag3nt_zer0: oh austin... both places are on my list as possibilities to reside if I make it back from my trip
ag3nt_zer0: currently in silly valley
trinque: austin's a great place imo
trinque: portland's ok if you can ignore or enjoy abusing the communists
ag3nt_zer0: yeah it seems very nice
trinque: (I am the latter)
trinque: excellent business culture in tx
trinque: they worship capitalism
ag3nt_zer0: I hear that people actually have the strnegth to acknowledge eachothers presence if, you know, colliding on the street
trinque: oh, I've lamented the lack of eye contact on the street in Portland in the hallowed logs
trinque: can't stand that shit
trinque: it's cowardly
ag3nt_zer0: yes it certainly fucking is
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ag3nt_zer0: I noticed a huge spike in this shit post 911/patriot act fear + smartphone... seems these events combined to cinch the asshole up to inpenetrable proportion
ag3nt_zer0: maybe it was the drugs, but I remember the 90s being quite different
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trinque: when the fuck did america side with the pussies
trinque engages alcohol-induced candor
trinque: maybe I'm naive, but I'm certain this was not always the case
trinque: and I know the answer to my own question but... damn.
trinque: we had a short run.
trinque: BingoBoingo: an excellent perspective on the news as ever.
punkman: BingoBoingo: " to have been photographic "
ag3nt_zer0: yeah we arent naive... and the fact that we preface our observations with these "conditions" indicates how fucking cancerous the psychic milleu is here in mcsoccermomland...
BingoBoingo: ty trinque
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: I have a half-baked theory that america was merely running on the fumes of the hierarchical beliefs of people that immigrated here
trinque: which dissolved, absent the political structures which conditioned them that way elsewhere
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trinque: I'll check it out when I leave
williamdunne: trinque: Already done
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Whats scoop doin?
trinque: williamdunne: cool
williamdunne: Oh, scoop is disconnected from IRC but not the internet. I'll look into it
williamdunne: Ah I know what it will have been
williamdunne: Very unique issue
williamdunne: I'll fix it in a mo
trinque: every irc bot is such a turd
trinque: guy that wrote tenyks told me I hate trannies, fucking cunt
trinque: I'm gonna eventually write one that works in CL
punkman: lolwut
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: my old neighbor here in scam jose just bought a huge spread in merlin, OR... she showed me some pics it looks so nice...
trinque: punkman: I said to him that the guy who was run out of some ruby project for being catholic was wronged.
trinque: and he went total SJW on me
trinque: unimpressed, and he wrote the bot I based deedbot- on
trinque: I loathe these people.
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: it's a truly beautiful state, but the people here are red-blooded communists
trinque: I'm thinking of heading a bit north to WA
ag3nt_zer0: yeah the whole left coast
trinque: at least WA has a bit more get-up-and-go
ag3nt_zer0: yeah beenlookinf there too.. and montana, and alaska
trinque: hell we should probably all go swing our highly competent dicks in Buenos Aires at some point.
ag3nt_zer0: sounds like great fun
trinque: sounds like they barely know what they want politically
trinque departs the bar
trinque: bbl
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ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217253 << Not to mention the livelihood/employment problems or the international travel restrictions and all the other non-legal consequences doled out to this man by this vastly increasing type of abuse of power
ag3nt_zer0: re: felonies
trinque: so the legal precedent here is that your property can be violated by a low-flying drone and there isn't shit you can do about it?
trinque: got it.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 22:35:04; pete_dushenski: yelp market cap now 1.87 bn and is down 70% this year. wd sv !
punkman: mircea_popescu: yellow pages thingie
mircea_popescu: myeah, prime target for revolutionizing, they used to be big data in the 70s
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 22:57:10; mod6: The Foundation isn't going to ship these builds scripts any more. We're just going to ship source code for bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: doesn't sound like too bright an idea.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, sourceforge did go away.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn't have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 23:05:49; mod6: Trying to create a one-size-fits-all script for everyone to use to build this thing is not going to work. And how does one bundle up something such as 'rotor' and end up not maintaining buildroot and everything else? That's a game that I'm not interested in playing. And it's dangerous for us to go that direction.
mircea_popescu: this "pure code" approach is no different from every other "pure research" proposition - sure, you're purely able to pursue pure goals now, but the cost is any conceivable relevancy.
mircea_popescu: in any case in the triangle "monthly releases" "mod6 does all teh work" "bitcoind is usable" i'm not going to pick the first two for fucks sake.
mircea_popescu: what sort of priorities be these.
mircea_popescu: "In just five years, Uber has accumulated enough rideshare industry milestones to make your head spin. The total distance traveled by all Uber drivers would take you to Planet Saturn — and back. "
BingoBoingo taking time to nuke ophanages from 0.7.2 ish Bastard block annihilator pretty much works as ascii offered it.
mircea_popescu: blergh, fucktarded sales copy, i guess i'm the dumbass for not noticing it's washitpo again
mircea_popescu: ahahaha ads in windows 10 ? win.
mircea_popescu: "cortana" the resurgent paperclip ? bwahaha
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 23:58:57; hanbot: trinque my sha512sum was of old, stale item. refreshed, matches, tyvm.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 00:02:16; phf: trinque: probably same reason openbsd is not the blessed b-a target platform
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217206 << from what i'm seeing this is actually slowly emerging.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 00:37:59; trinque: mod6: maybe you guys need a build/test crew.
mircea_popescu: "early experiments show that statically linked binaries are usually smaller than their dynamically linked glibc counterparts!!!"
mircea_popescu: god help foss srsly.
mircea_popescu: "Note, this is pretty much contrary to what Ulrich Drepper reckons about static linking." << everywhere a gavin!
mircea_popescu: some fucktard who "recknons" and so on.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 00:56:55; trinque: BingoBoingo: an excellent perspective on the news as ever.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36106 @ 0.00052234 = 18.8596 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217263 << that's actually remarkably apt, mcsoccermomland.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 00:57:24; ag3nt_zer0: yeah we arent naive... and the fact that we preface our observations with these "conditions" indicates how fucking cancerous the psychic milleu is here in mcsoccermomland...
mircea_popescu: that'd be the problem. too much convenience, and allowing women the illusion that anyone asked them for any input in the big question of whether their offspring survives or not.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217301 << the legal precedent is that if you're thye sort of guy that solves his own poroblems rather than seek the help of the state, you're a self-radicalizing terrorists and general wesley snipes of nato wants you in treblinka
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:24:23; trinque: so the legal precedent here is that your property can be violated by a low-flying drone and there isn't shit you can do about it?
mircea_popescu: or somethinglikethat.
trinque: no kidding. the resistance to intelligence is palpable.
decimation: usg claims *all* airspace on its lands, starting at 0 feet
decimation: just like usg claims all your ideas: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"
decimation: ^ how could the constition give you your ideas if usg didn't own them first?
hanbot: doesn't seem to claim any ownership
decimation: it's an implict claim
trinque: I reject entirely the notion that concepts can be owned.
hanbot: and also beer.
trinque: yeah beer too
trinque: because they don't own the concept if that's what they claim they're doing
trinque: it implies massive domination of *action*
hanbot: i suppose this works ok up until one morning you wake up to find we've all changed nicks to trinque and there's just no way to make any sort of further sense of b-a
trinque: I dun geddit, yet lol
hanbot: at the very least classes must own their names.
trinque: I will revise to: no one can prevent me from making use of a concept; they live in the mind
trinque: I'm responding to decimation re: IP
hanbot: for as long as they stay there i doubt anyone cares.
trinque: to the extent that someone thinks they own a concept, I may lie and let him think so
trinque: yet I will use the concept any way that benefits me
hanbot: well the way it usually works is that if you try to make the movie / tshirt / book of the concept you end up losing whatever profits.
trinque: sure, and those are actions, and someone may or may not use their power to foil you
trinque: but you can't own a fucking concept
trinque: those are arrangements of language
hanbot: you're fighting a strawman, really. might as well claim "nobody could truly own a cow". they just take the milk is all.
hanbot: "beneficial ownership"
BingoBoingo: So transaction orphanage not as clean to cut out of 0.7.2 but done. Bitcoin running. Now to see if it catches up.
trinque: I'm speaking about the cultural vulgarity of "I own that idea"
trinque: if you disagree, so be it
trinque: controlling an idea requires an immensely more repressed society than I would prefer to live in
trinque: I only live that my thoughts may be less encumbered by morons by the day
hanbot: obviously the whole ip thing needs you not to own your bank account to work. places where that's not available develop a knockoff culture and get pretty loud. see south east asia.
hanbot: the choices you get are the choices you get. the choices you wish to make are something else.
mod6: mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be just fine if we don't ship a "stator.sh" or an "auto.sh" in the source and simply just maintain a cookbook and preferred steps like I was saying here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217135
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 22:58:15; mod6: How one builds the source is entire up to the user. There may be preferred way so of doing this, such as 'rotor' and so forth. And we'll participate in creating cookbooks and guides on how to do this. But we no longer are going to fight through these environment problems.
mod6: ?
decimation: the US used to have a knockoff culture for its first hundred years or so
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decimation: british machines were brought to the us to undercut english goods
mircea_popescu: mod6 actually... the ideal is something like http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora
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mod6: exactly what I'm referring to.
mircea_popescu: not merely just an auto.sh, but step by step instructions to a level of detail never seen in open source.
mod6: you brought that up the otherday, agree 100%
mircea_popescu: more's the point here, i get the impression you're chaffing under too much workload.
mircea_popescu: !up mitzip
mod6: we need something that people can utilize to make it work. i totally agree with that. and scripts and other widgets to make it work could even be a separate bundle.
mod6: well, i've been pushin pretty hard as far as work load -- what scares me is taking on buildroot and trying to bundle/test the entire thing.
mircea_popescu: ok but listen, deep breath time.
mod6: and besides, we haven't exactly had great luck with our own build scripts to date.
mircea_popescu: useful work is useful work. taking responsibility for the whole world is a different story.
mircea_popescu: why mix the two.
trinque: mod6: I've already been testing some of your stuff; if nobody else wants to manage the build script, I'm fine with it
mircea_popescu: sure, not to date. but we're not going by the criteria of what is easy, so we don't really care. if we won't have success for the next decade we'll be here trying it in 2026.
trinque: offer's open
trinque: I've got a 4u collecting dust, etc etc
trinque: ben_vulpes has also put some work into his own script, so maybe he wants to handle it
mod6: trinque: he and i discussed this breifly. and I won't speak for him here. but i wouldn't have said what I said earlier without at least a discussion about that.
mod6: i think he's as tired of our build script problems as I am.
mod6: which is why he said he wrote that in the first place.
mod6: but mircea_popescu makes sense.
trinque: yeah, I mean the thing needs a derpinstaller
trinque: there aren't enough smart people in the world
trinque: even among the smart people... :p
mircea_popescu: mod6 just don't go to this dark place where "omg it's the 29th and i must have a working final version of bitcoind to announce
mircea_popescu: you don't belong there, and moreover that's just not our company style.
mod6: oh no. i wasn't planning on that at all this month anyway.
mod6: not even for a few months -- even before rotor came out.
mod6: the idea was; put out this test bundle and see if we're on the right track and if anyone hits any problems with any of the patches.
mircea_popescu: that said, obviously the effort to make anything work on the stack of shit we inherited from our retarded ancestors is nothing short of immense. but, chipping away at it is going to deliver, and confronting it is definitely going to show us a few useful things.
mircea_popescu: mod6 so far 90%+ of the problems have been with installation, from what i've seen
mod6: yeah totally agree. and i can't help but wonder if it's simply because of things that each persons different host has not installed by default. but it's hard to account for all of that.
mod6: hard, not impossible.
mircea_popescu: yeah. still, it's valuable to try, because if you help people they'll help you.
mircea_popescu: later on.
mircea_popescu: otherwise struggling with installers etc is a horrid trudge, but it is also an investment in human capital.
mod6: so i guess there is still a bit of a fork in the road; even if we do all of the hard work of ensuring peoples host dependantcies are installed before any compiling is even attempted, do we even want that to be a thing, as stan said, this is now obsolete. And do we now maintain a lot of other things for buildroot?
mircea_popescu: we will have to at the very least maintain packages we want to use, in the basic sense of, archival for download.
mircea_popescu: this sounds patently insane, i agree, but i just recently discovered in unrelated proejct that it's unavoidable.
mircea_popescu: sourceforge goes down, there goes youre entire project, seriously ?
mircea_popescu: can't even afford this for eulora, let alone for bitcoin.
mod6: yeah I saw that about the eulora thing.
mircea_popescu: and do not buy into the illusion that it was an isolated incident.
mircea_popescu: it could happenb to sf, it can and definitely will happen to github etc.
mod6: so should we still create scripts for people to build without buildroot (i.e. stator.sh/auto.sh) and then host packages for the ability to construct a buildroot with a drop-in of the foundation source?
punkman: I'm willing to contribute Ansible scripts to deploy/build/debug instances of bitcoind via ssh to different machines. for automating some of the testing workload.
assbot: GitHub Raises $250 Million at $2 Billion Valuation - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYQ5Vh )
trinque: punkman: yeah, I was thinking my 4u could be a build/test box
trinque: after all, that's apparently what it did for the kernel devs, haha
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm not entirely sure how the specifics should work out. bit of an open question atm
mircea_popescu: but i'm pretty sure can't simply abandon the entire userland question, it'd be a major strategic mistake.
mod6: i agree. i'm just being careful not to create more work for myself/others than necessary.
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate that.
mircea_popescu: decimation that's what makes it suspicious. 20mn slashdot, 2bn github. because... reasons.
mod6: ok well.... thanks for setting me straight.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you should prolly take a bit of time away from the hands on work you love and do some management stuff.
mircea_popescu: at the very least draw a schema of what and how needs done so people's offers to help can be plugged in
punkman: trinque, sure set it up with your choice of OS and I'll write one for you
trinque: punkman: bitchin'
decimation: well, it's all theoretical valuation
trinque: it already has a basic gentoo install
decimation: nobody has offered to buy the thing for $2b as far as I know
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok sure. can do.
mircea_popescu: decimation you kiddin' me, it could buy out all the russia!
mircea_popescu: o wait, wrong one huh. nm.
assbot: https://imgur.com/QC51FZz · nixxquality/WebMConverter@c1ac0ba · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYQebn )
decimation: apparently github has turned into fark
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73335 @ 0.00051302 = 37.6223 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: no but just for my curiosity, what's github to do with a quarter bil ?
mircea_popescu: buy each employee ten dumptrucks full of pens ?
decimation: buy sourceforge and scam?
decimation: I donno
decimation: it's kinda the same question as "what's apple gonna do with $60b"
decimation: one guess: hire a full-time staff of indians to vigilantly search committed code for perceived slights
trinque: god knows why, america is drunk on QE
decimation: maybe they can get into the space business too
decimation: lol 'rotor' immediately fails on osx 10.10 with "You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales"
decimation: I'm sure the homos at apple support utf8, but apparently it doesn't work with whatever buildroot wants
decimation: !up julmac
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17436 @ 0.00053317 = 9.2964 BTC [+]
decimation: lol the problem was that buildroot was grepping 'locale -a' for utf8, while apple uses 'utf-8'
trinque: http://xtnodes.com/ << even their bullshit graph is on the descent
assbot: XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.000535 = 12.519 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: trinque you don't understand how "consensus" works
trinque: they're building it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50916 @ 0.00052796 = 26.8816 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: the funny thing will be that this schmuck will still be going around pretending like he actually exists and so forth even after this idiocy goes the way of neobee and "bitcoin security experts group"
mircea_popescu: just like phantomcircuit still goes around, an aethero waiting to happen.
mircea_popescu: decimation check it out, they need a metalocale. hopefully implemented as multibyte too!
mircea_popescu: p=3. hm.
decimation: heh yeah. apple makes up standards as they go
mircea_popescu: (ftr, intrigeri is something crazy with the bug reports, may be all-internet record holder)
mircea_popescu: yup, that's the only time so far 3 appears alone as a factor.
decimation: interesting
decimation: seems like someone trolling maybe?
decimation: sigh a few more moles whacked and now this (on osx): xattr-at.c:36:20: error: too few arguments to function 'setxattr'
decimation: seems as though linux and osx and bsd use different 'attr' functions
decimation: on the other hand, surely 'tar' builds on osx. perhaps another night
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:39:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn't have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217314 << bitcoin is - necessarily an operating system. sad but true. you lot ought to be thankful that it is not just as necessarily a ~device~.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:39:49; mircea_popescu: this "pure code" approach is no different from every other "pure research" proposition - sure, you're purely able to pursue pure goals now, but the cost is any conceivable relevancy.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217330 << we vivisected drepper here on several occasions. he is ~the~ most accomplished publicly-known gavin thus far.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:50:12; mircea_popescu: "Note, this is pretty much contrary to what Ulrich Drepper reckons about static linking." << everywhere a gavin!
asciilifeform: responsible, iirc, for ~all~ of the known bash exploits
asciilifeform: and the 'locales' bullshit
asciilifeform: and libnss, etc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1217395 << if i have to ship a bootable linux iso, buildrooted for the purpose of building a) self b) bitcoin - i will. in fact, yes, i have this up my sleeve, BUT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO USE IT instead of retarduntu etc
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 02:34:07; mircea_popescu: sure, not to date. but we're not going by the criteria of what is easy, so we don't really care. if we won't have success for the next decade we'll be here trying it in 2026.
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