jurov: Wow, i can't think of clearer admission that mp in fact hijacked tmsr and installed himself as government.
jurov: to remind: '...we are absolved from all allegiance to any entity, whether it styles itself a "crown" or a "state" or a "government" or however else...'
jurov: But it was foremostly my mistake, and others who continued to work in this system.
asciilifeform: jurov: was mp kingdom from beginning, with very thin pretensions of 'republic', imho. problem is that fella didn't read the manual for monarchy, esp. the part where if you piss away yer auctoritas, and then formally abdicate, you dun get to issue orders (rather, can issue all you like, result will be as pictured in film 'der untergang'.)
asciilifeform: jurov: the 'anarchic'-flavoured proclamation you cited, was, quite, evidently, chump bait.
asciilifeform: rather like e.g. the snsa charter. (and for that matter, mpex charter, etc)
snsabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-11-08 asciilifeform: while the attempt to saddle asciilifeform w/ a debt-laden high-risk isp project, after failure of piz ( observe, in no way isp work is mentioned in orig charter, which concerned 'a series of strong, fully integrated cryptography products, ensuring customers absolute immunity from third party attempts to access their data or communications' ) , and in particular , the marketing work he demanded, is arguably likewise in direct co
asciilifeform: 'word means what i say it means!'(tm)(r)(lewis carroll)
adlai: wockescu?
snsabot: Logged on 2020-06-05 14:26:21 asciilifeform: can be in place before nightfall tomorrow (6 jun, new york time)
asciilifeform: jurov: box runs my standard rk gentoo .
asciilifeform: in other oddities .
snsabot: (ossasepia) 2020-06-06 diana_coman: well, at least TBF's status is quite clear now although apparently I have to go fish it out and add it to the record since those involved are too busy calling me names but not to my face; by the ponder of words in tbf's log apparently asciilifeform runs now the foundation in any case and jurov practices his hand at
asciilifeform: jurov, didja know yer a spy.
asciilifeform had nfi that 'ran the foundation'...
shinohai: These grapes ... so sour. Wat do?
asciilifeform: shinohai: i have nfi. at this pt diana & co are , in words of w. gibson, 'like tv set tune between channels'
asciilifeform: *tuned
asciilifeform ftr has absolutely 0 wish to 'run the foundation', and in particular under no circumstances to have to deal w/ the coinz.
shinohai wonders what a DC-run foundation would look like, have to `-connect` only to her node and ask permission to send any txn's ?
asciilifeform: shinohai: i expect you'll find out shortly
asciilifeform: maybe she'll rewrite trb in awk. nfi
shinohai: Oh I have no doubt some sort of stalinized "foundation" will eventually be set up in said camp.
asciilifeform: 'let 1000 flowers bloom'. why care.
shinohai: (Since all efforts to destroy this one have failed)
asciilifeform: jurov: 1 moar thing , dun fughet the 1st rule of rk gentoo .
snsabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-12-09 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the reason why must NOT 'emerge --sync' is that gentoo's upstream went full-bore tard in late '17. if you sync, 'emerge' simply becomes paperweight, as no longer accepts the systemdism-ban flags
asciilifeform bbl:meat
mats: after re-reading her blog entries, its clear i made a mistake
mats: i understand mp's perspective, it is his initial seed money and political support that significantly contributed to others donating to TBF
mats: give back the money and let that be the end of it, i can't promise to match the current balance, but when there is a plan for the new org, i will provide financial support
shinohai: Very noble of you there mats
mats: i'm not a disinterested party, i am one of the claimants to the frozen funds
mats: i had hoped jurov would resolve this matter peacefully and professionally, but he has consistently failed to do so. yes, everyone is also busy provoking each other, plenty of blame to go around there
mats: i'm going to sign a message soon and put it on dc's blog so we might come to a settlement
shinohai: Despite the provocations, so far majority that have spoken on matter agree "return funds to MP and wash hands" is best recourse.
mats: i hope that i can convince mp to release my funds less the current TBF cash balance (plus altcoins sold at BTC spot), or at least begin there as part of future discussions
mats: second thought, trilema would make more sense
shinohai: Well best I can say to that is best of luck fren
mats: we've all productively worked together at one point or another, all of this animosity and drama between former fellows is unnecessary
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/therealbitcoin/2020-06-06#1000612 << is what i suggested the 1st time thread came up. but it's jurov's call (and i dun even recall mp officially asking for his donation back, at least not publicly ?)
snsabot: Logged on 2020-06-06 17:09:34 mats: give back the money and let that be the end of it, i can't promise to match the current balance, but when there is a plan for the new org, i will provide financial support
snsabot: (asciilifeform) 2020-05-09 asciilifeform: shinohai: in jurov's place, i'd actually return it. but it's his call.
asciilifeform: imho is like returning medal from hitler. (afaik erryone in usa returned, then, w/ the 1 famous exception of h. ford)
asciilifeform: nao , despite diana's a++ conspirology, asciilifeform doesnt run tbf. but would suggest to jurov, maybe update the text on the donation box (if he intends to take donations), make clear that in future not refundable and doesn't obligate tbf to anyffin.
snsabot: Logged on 2020-06-06 15:35:45 asciilifeform: had nfi that 'ran the foundation'...
asciilifeform if ran a tbf, wouldn't even take donations of money, but only in materiel -- hostings, patches, immediately useful things. the coin hasn't helped imho tbf much, instead is radioactive source of wankage
asciilifeform: mats: i somehow doubt that you'll see yer coin again, even if jurov refunds mp
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/therealbitcoin/2020-06-06#1000618 << iirc his total donation was 10 ?
snsabot: Logged on 2020-06-06 17:14:58 mats: i hope that i can convince mp to release my funds less the current TBF cash balance (plus altcoins sold at BTC spot), or at least begin there as part of future discussions
asciilifeform: ( i expect jurov has the exact # )
asciilifeform ftr in favour of refunding not only mp, but any other 'unhappy customer', tho afaik none of the other donors are still around on the net
asciilifeform: however it's jurov's call, atm he's 'judge, jury, and executioner' afaik, of tbf
shinohai: Well mats, 'twas precisely the answer I expected.
mats: yes, i understand some of you in here wanted just this outcome
mats: burn down a bridge with me on it, and then 'i told you so'
mats: congrats all around, rub it in
shinohai: I didn't want this outcome certainly, recent history just seems to have predicted is all.
asciilifeform: 'no, mr. bond, i expect you to die!!'(tm)(r) unsurprise
asciilifeform: mats: until today i had nfi that you used jurov's mpex service etc.
asciilifeform: ( had interpreted this as 'nope, got out before mpocalypse' from mats, ftr )
snsabot: (asciilifeform) 2019-12-23 mats: no comment
asciilifeform: anyways this is prolly riotously off-topic for #trb, who wants to continue, invited to #a (tho i can't fathom wai to ask me, i had 0 to do with)