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lobbes coming live from a fresh ZNC install on another box... goes to catch up on logs
asciilifeform: omfgholufuq the idiocy. what 'firewall' . the only ddos problem we have is THEM!!
mp_en_viaje: what's a firewall gonna do in this context ?!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's ok-ish but what's prominently missing is PLUG DULAP BAKC IN OMFG
mp_en_viaje: was their concern that your boxes were catching on fire ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940398 << this would be auctionbot. I dun presently have a cloak for it, so feel free to just kill the process (it is running in sbcl) and that should prevent any naked joins. I can move bot to a non-piz box in the interim
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 21:23:32 BingoBoingo: !Q later tell lobbes You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
asciilifeform: lobbes: the cloaks thing is 100% red herring, i have a deliberate bait running for 2+h nao naked, and 0 floods
ericbot: (asciilifeform) 2019-10-04 baitbot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 2h 8m
asciilifeform: it's sitting in all 6 chans, too
lobbes: asciilifeform, heh I saw. Though I'm just a customer; I'll respect BB's wishes if he wants to ban naked joins for the time being
lobbes: in any case, no live auctions atm. I can let it sit for a minute
lobbes: in other lulz, my VPS that hosted the old #e logs is finally back up; connectolade city
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> what's a firewall gonna do in this context ?! << I have no idea wtf a firewall is supposed to do against an inbound DDoS
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: erry letter to latech, starting with this 1, oughta start with equiv of 'NO NULLROUTE FOR ANY REASON' omfgalready
BingoBoingo: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=maNq << Second draft reflecting the receipt of the offer for a firewall phone call
asciilifeform: ffs BingoBoingo . does that looklike a 'NO NULLROUTES' and 'PLUG IT THE FUCK BACK IN' to you ?
asciilifeform: that last para should be 1st.
asciilifeform: much better.
asciilifeform: unless mp_en_viaje contributes an idea for moar bite, let's send this.
asciilifeform: this was ( and continues, dulap still dead ) a maddeningly sovokesque experience, where we pay vendor for fish 'that's what they don't have at the fish counter' but short of borrowing mp_en_viaje's freighter and laying own fiber i can't presently think of a final solution to it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and we'll have to credit subscribers for the lost time. with substantial adjustment.
asciilifeform: i've had industrial pipes cut out for whole biz day on acct of backhoe. but this aint a backhoe, backhoes make some sorta sense. this dun make sense.
mp_en_viaje: Oscar helpfully shared graphs showing particular IP addresses being hit << were these in here and i missed ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ^ can haz these plox ?
mp_en_viaje: wtf is "apparently hostile", what gave the appearance ? was it the coloring ? something else ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I did not post the graphs yet, will post
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in what units is the vertical in the 1st pic ?
BingoBoingo: Sarcasm with respect to the graph's utility may have been a bit too subtle
asciilifeform: 2nd pic dun look like any kinda ddos at all, simply saturated incoming pipe, happens erry single time anyone uploads a coupla GB of db dump or whatnot
asciilifeform: presently i suspect that we would not have even ~noticed~ this nonsense if they hadn't unplugged
BingoBoingo: I have no idea what te vertical represents
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja send that reply or still waiting for sumthing ?
asciilifeform has to go eat soon
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I fired it off
asciilifeform: ftr this is longest dulap outage since dulap-I was blackbagged.
asciilifeform goes to eat, bbl.
mp_en_viaje: so basically, 20mbps sustained over... looks like 10 minutes or so = too much ?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, if you're gonna send as is anyway, why the fyuck am i reading it
mp_en_viaje: the reason i asked about the graphs was because, eg, "Oscar helpfully shared graphs showing particular IP addresses being hit with substantial, apparently hostile incoming traffic with targeted at a few IPs in the IP range." is entirely false.
mp_en_viaje: not helpful, not showing, not subsyantial, not apparently or otherwise hostile.
mp_en_viaje: "I would like to know what options are available going forward" is about 500 words too many for the simple concept of
mp_en_viaje: "either you get your shit together or i move on, pick exactly one."
mp_en_viaje: 3. What carriers run fiber to the datacenter? I would like to know what all the connectivity options available are. << dawg ffs, i showed you them.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Thank you. I am wondering if there's any questions I missed short of going straight to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940463
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 21:34:03 mp_en_viaje: "either you get your shit together or i move on, pick exactly one."
mp_en_viaje: nevermind questions. 1. i am stuck with customers correctly pointing out that my uptime this month will ~maybe~ reach two nines. it'll be a wonder if this outage doesn't put me entirely out of business. 2. do you have any actual substantial anything to point to, because brandishing about "hostile" and "attack" and etcetera empty wordage isn't doing anything for me. in particular 20mbps for a few minutes doesn't even register
mp_en_viaje: on any kind of radar, i feel like an idiot showing people a trival example of a saturated pipe and pretending like they should be impressed.
mp_en_viaje: so far the situation here is that you stumbled on the cable and took half a day to plug it back in. got anything that can actually move us past this ?
mp_en_viaje: problem is that after you sent the previous yokel text, there's nothing that you can say to deyokel self.
mp_en_viaje: kinda the wisdom of not doing that.
BingoBoingo: Thank you. I guess I'm going to have to do the only things I can right now. 1. eat some food 2. Take a walk, etc and try to have burned more calories in activity today than stress 3. Go to sleep sober
mp_en_viaje: sounds like a plan.
mp_en_viaje: it's not like ~you~ did it , you know. take it easy.
mp_en_viaje personally has no intention of pulling the plug over diana_coman 's inability to do smg work today because of this for instance ;
mp_en_viaje: but you also can't continue in this vein, what, whenever random internet dork sends half a quarter of an eight gbps your way you're croaked for the evening ? tis ridoinculous.
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/10/wednesday-in-wien/ << The Whet -- Wednesday in Wien
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i suppose the next step is to go through the list of ixps see where you can sit.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940365 << i don't even recall now how uy was picked. must've been a lsit and some sorta process
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 17:48:11 asciilifeform: ( evidently somewhere do exist 'serious adult' carriers, i.e. where mp_en_viaje parks his box. but for some reason he sent BingoBoingo to uy, and not to there )
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops.
BingoBoingo: Some insane criteria lead Amazon to announce a future Argentine datacenter this week https://archive.is/s0809
BingoBoingo hasn't given thought to an alternate universe where Cambodians respond to commercial inquiries in at least a year
BingoBoingo: A number of Hong Kong operations ended up appearing to be the same operation, while another's major branding was hosted software for the Chinese laundry industry.
asciilifeform back at console, where dulap still not reachable; eats log
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940478 << it's been 2+y since the last dig. there's gotta be ~something~ resembling competition, at the level below the orcish national thing. ( fwiw the dc routing cabinet was a glass item and there were defo several groups of panels in it, hanging off what seems like physically distinct fibers to street )
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:27:12 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i suppose the next step is to go through the list of ixps see where you can sit.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940481 << the basic headache with these seems to be that to distinguish sane from batshit pipe provider requires to bake a BingoBoingo , populate a rack, and run for yr+
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:38:54 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940483 << iirc last go around BingoBoingo found that asia has laffably narrow pipe to rest of planet. ( which makes a sort of sense, when's the last time you reached for a www on a vietnamese box ? chinese ? )
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:47:24 BingoBoingo: hasn't given thought to an alternate universe where Cambodians respond to commercial inquiries in at least a year
BingoBoingo as he waits a few more minutes for the rain to stop before taking a walk anyway feels he has to interject that at least Cambodia's Soviet wears a uniform advertising his Sovietness
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: outta curiosity, didja in fact discover that a dc exists in cambodia ?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the second scrubbing of Asia, they advertised datacenters turned out to be NTT, an international thing
asciilifeform: aa, these.
BingoBoingo: Not Equinix, but indistinguishable to my eyes
BingoBoingo: And doesn't change their lack of response to inquiries
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho we oughta try e.g. 2nd pipe, before airlift to ambodia. cheaper.
asciilifeform: *cambodia
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: back in '17 when dulap-I crater was still smoking , asciilifeform wanted to try ro . but mp_en_viaje said that it was poor site, and i'm inclined to think that he had good reason to say this.
BingoBoingo: Only one site in Serbia responded to the initial solicitation and failed to follow up
asciilifeform bungled the expedition and still owes mp_en_viaje coin
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ro was to at least host the fiatola-interface end of the affair (rather than machines) at that pt.
BingoBoingo suspects Montevideo has forever spoiled BingoBoingo on the http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-27#1938739 axis
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 19:53:18 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938406 << in positive news, this is possibly the best thing for a human. each year with >500 miles on the odometer under age 50 adds 6 months of ~mobile~ life after age 70.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eh, that's in erry orcistan
asciilifeform: usa is the 1 place where folx go around in motorized fatchairs errywhere
asciilifeform walked coupla 100 km in timis & bucharest , in <week
asciilifeform: wore out a pair of chinesium boots, even.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re ru -- also looked into. has certain problems (planet's most fascist customs; and chinese-style 'national firewall' among'em) but dunno how relevant in practice, a local with good social engineering acumen could prolly finesse, to some degree. (problem is that we aint got one such)
asciilifeform: at one pt thought that phf was the necessary man.
asciilifeform: ( he made sounds in that direction, but nuffin came of it )
BingoBoingo: If Chile was a bit further north, and either got rid of the Andes or found Atlantic instead of Pacific coast it could have maybe been an option.
BingoBoingo: Colombia signed NATO fandom papers soon after Qntra came back online
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: could spin the globe all day, but imho this remains the fundamental boojum
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 02:19:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940481 << the basic headache with these seems to be that to distinguish sane from batshit pipe provider requires to bake a BingoBoingo , populate a rack, and run for yr+
asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and do get some sleep.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when dulap is accessible, i'ma ask BingoBoingo to reserve a coupla spare ip for it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can you ssh into the shared box?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: possibly, but i'ma also have to sleep shortly.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If get into dulap through the shared box, .239 is available
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd prefer to do these via 1) 2nd nic 2) tomorrow
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aite
BingoBoingo to walk and then to sleep
asciilifeform: but 3) this aint any sorta solution, solution will have to consist of a pipe that doesn't randomly drop chunks of our space.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nighty
BingoBoingo: And dulap is back
BingoBoingo: Now to sleep
asciilifeform: aand here goeth
asciilifeform: all chans synced (was 1st class bitch, 100% bare teeth)
asciilifeform: nao, how long lives...
asciilifeform to actual bed
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:44:21 asciilifeform: 'свято место пусто не бывает'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: !q version
snsabot: I am bot version 597858.
asciilifeform to genuine bed.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 22:39:18 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940486 << a dc may have redundant connectivity, but this is a physical not a logical matter. conider your house may also have redundant wiring, such that you have plugs in different rooms, but nevertheless they're all powered by the same monopolistic power co.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:18:11 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940478 << it's been 2+y since the last dig. there's gotta be ~something~ resembling competition, at the level below the orcish national thing. ( fwiw the dc routing cabinet was a glass item and there were defo several groups of panels in it, hanging off what seems like physically distinct fibers to street )
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:27:12 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i suppose the next step is to go through the list of ixps see where you can sit.
mp_en_viaje: i do not believe it is possible the dc in question has any kind of alternative, on the simple basis of their asn being shown to peer with nobody other than antel, which is specifically uruguay's state monopoly on data transport.
mp_en_viaje: this is a judgment much akin to, "look, in your locale enel spa is the energy provider, monopoly by law, you're buying energy from them" "i'd have to look for my contract" "no, actually, you don't have to. i can tell you from ten thousand miles away, on this basis"
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to get back to it : what 2 years has (perhaps) done is given us some real world data, such that we can compare the list of criteria we originally abstractly derived from our own imaginations and best intentions, with the story of how well they worked out in practice.
mp_en_viaje: if indeed the observations are that 1. "non-nato" is meaningless, contemporary fucktard mindset is socialism anyways everywhere ; AND 2. the true problem for republican isp is actually clean bw, which "datacenters" fail to provide,
mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg bcnet-operated VTE).
mp_en_viaje: but if not, then something else.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940488 << in fairness, we kinda knew this going in.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:19:35 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940481 << the basic headache with these seems to be that to distinguish sane from batshit pipe provider requires to bake a BingoBoingo , populate a rack, and run for yr+
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:38:54 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Criteria 1 was no nato, russia, or china. Asia sucked and charged incredibly for international conenctivity. Africa is Africa. Inside Latam the options with independently owned datacenters were Brasil and Uruguay. Brasil's paperwork culture appeared even more soviet than Uruguay's with additional visa/residency hoops.
mp_en_viaje: people lie, and the contemporary fucktard mindset is... well... that the point of life is letting them.
mp_en_viaje: the more "advanced" "progressive" shitholes are even trying to ~legislate~ an imaginary ~obligation~ to help the deluded maintain their delusions, spawning all sort and manner of "careerwomen", ninjashoguns etcetera thereby.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-08 12:21:33 btcvixen: Yes it does, as my government id says "Sex: F"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-02-11 23:46:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's dumber, schmuck's like "hi there, i r anon please delete my name". how fucking stupid does he need to be, "anon" is not listed there.
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2013/eulora-august-update/#comment-94603 << hey diana_coman looksy what i found. you want that guy's email maybe ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940496 << problem with orcs, that even evaluating their poverty is impossible from a distance, gotta go there first. much more competent and capable at "giving the impression of" than actually doing the thing they're giving impressions of, by design and deliberately constructed. i can't fucking comprehend, even n
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:25:03 BingoBoingo: Not Equinix, but indistinguishable to my eyes
mp_en_viaje: ow, half a year later, that anyone anywhere actually believes norway is a rich country. i've not encountered poverty like that since egypt, yet people actually believe this, that norwegians are not the bottom of the desperation pile.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940500 << well, i dun currently host there, nor have i in the interval.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:32:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: back in '17 when dulap-I crater was still smoking , asciilifeform wanted to try ro . but mp_en_viaje said that it was poor site, and i'm inclined to think that he had good reason to say this.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940507 << you should actually see vienna. all i used to know about how "things are" from my days in olde yurp, 100% confirmed, just as i was starting to doubt.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:37:49 asciilifeform: usa is the 1 place where folx go around in motorized fatchairs errywhere
mp_en_viaje: in fairness poland rather similar, too. but negligible gaps there, no gaps here.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940510 << problem is we did have one such, and he decided the best thing to do to himself is be as utterly stupid as possible. i very much suspect the actual driver behind http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-07-04#1831652 mystery is the fucking air, or something, makes the locals subtly suicidal.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:41:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re ru -- also looked into. has certain problems (planet's most fascist customs; and chinese-style 'national firewall' among'em) but dunno how relevant in practice, a local with good social engineering acumen could prolly finesse, to some degree. (problem is that we aint got one such)
ossabot: Logged on 2018-07-04 12:23:48 mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed the soviet union", namely, that cca 1950 the su was winning the cultural war, very much so, the larger of the "allies", the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building the new frontier
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940558 - sure, I'll shoot him an email, why not; fwiw I haven't yet got to struggling with the sound stuff (still at particles&proc textures) but it's getting closer
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:28:45 mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2013/eulora-august-update/#comment-94603 << hey diana_coman looksy what i found. you want that guy's email maybe ?
mp_en_viaje: atm i dunno i'd trust anyone from russia or recommend anyone move there. the one time this happened it blowed up in such a sickly manner, i absolutely don't want to spend the significant resources involved in dealing with the clean-up. as far as anyone knows, moscow's bogon-radioactive
diana_coman: anyway, anyone able to actually do something useful is someone I want to talk to, yes.
mp_en_viaje: like in that solaris nonsense. i thought it was unspeakably stupid when it came out ; i still do -- but i am starting to suspect it's not stupid because of itself ; but instead because of the subject matter. in itself, exact blueprint of muscovite.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: do you think same of ~all tarkovsky's films or just specifically solaris?
mp_en_viaje: solaris specifically, i didn't look at any others after that.
mp_en_viaje: he's on the same banned imbeciles index, with ben stiller and the 80s "careerwomen quality holywood" idiots, demi more & co.
mp_en_viaje: BECAUSE ITS WHAT HE IS
diana_coman: dunno, on the same approach I could add tarantino really
mp_en_viaje: the antitarantino, literally. where tarantino unders
mp_en_viaje: holy shit!
mp_en_viaje: really ?
diana_coman: heh; to me they are really following own specific way of showing stuff; both are to some extreme and can be labelled idiotically
mp_en_viaje: to me they seem exact polar opposites. consider... i dunno, consider his rendition of the stupid white man, as seen in dennis hopper's character in true romance. dude EXACTLY GETS IT, there he sits, "enslaved on a continent his fathers fought to conquer", the moron incarnate. he "did things his way" or whatever the fuck it is he did, became an alcoholic. now lives in a container next to a railway and other piled ifnrastructu
mp_en_viaje: THAT NO NIGGERS BUILT
diana_coman: because holly hell wtf cut leg entirely but still moving about, no blood loss problem even half an hour later or wtf
mp_en_viaje: tarantino both understands, and then ~perfectly~, with no remainder narrates, extremely intricate social points.
mp_en_viaje: tarkovsky understands ~nothing, and then shoots static scenes for hours.
mp_en_viaje: "oh, you'll understand by yourself" "of course i will, bitch. and i do not need you for this, or even permit you to live after"
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, are you talking of post kill-bill tarantino ? because in that we agree, i banned him.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: yeah
diana_coman: that's what I saw and so -> wtf
mp_en_viaje: a, no. tarantino in my mouth strictly means pre kill bill.
diana_coman: I'll have to watch some of that then.
diana_coman: but you see, there is precisely that, basically what you call post kill-bill tarantino -> tarkovsky and it's dubious that such thing happens if really "totally the opposite"
mp_en_viaje: no, see on my credit pulp fiction, true romance, both jackie brown and foxy brown (in this order)
mp_en_viaje: then present the bill.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, to me it seems ~guaranteed~ to happen if truly "exactly opposite"
mp_en_viaje: but yes, post kill bill tarantino === tarkovsky.
diana_coman: really? next you'll become a woman because exactly opposite or what?
mp_en_viaje: "he had it, he lost it, he never got it back". attempts to "intelectual" himself by the breeches, doesn't lift.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, how is a woman exactly oppposite ?!
diana_coman: hm; will have to watch to see.
mp_en_viaje: i have a lot more in common wit ha woman than with most other things.
diana_coman: uhm, opposite is same thing, different sign, no?
diana_coman: not "nothing in common with"
mp_en_viaje: well, are you proposing that "owning three ducks" and "having borrowed three ducks that you have to repay" have "three ducks" in common ?!
diana_coman: I don't see it; owning is the opposite of not owning; in as much as borrowing is not owning, there's the opposite; ducks don't enter into it
mp_en_viaje: i use the set-theory basis for "opposite", yes. two subsets of a set are opposite if they have no shared elements. i'm not entirely sure how to construct an algebraic notion of "opposite" that's not immediate nonsense.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ah, I see; I can work with the set-theory, just not the one I directly reach for when "opposite"
diana_coman: because to me no shared elements means simply distinct, not opposite
mp_en_viaje: but saying -3 and +3 "have 3 in common" directly leads to nonsense.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: they have the axis in common, not the value
mp_en_viaje: but the axis they do not have.
diana_coman: ie they represent the same sort of thing
mp_en_viaje: axis pre-exists them, not theirs.
diana_coman: -3 on an axis is the opposite of +3 on the same axis
diana_coman: not of any +3
mp_en_viaje: same thing as in, "they're both numbers" ?
diana_coman: no; they are both measures of x coordinate
diana_coman: or of y or of z or of *something* that is same though
mp_en_viaje: i see the difference now.
mp_en_viaje: your notion is exactly my notion, "subset of same set" translates as "they're the same thing" as in, "measures of x coord". then you emphasize giving the symmetry point, where i couldn't care less. and BECAUSE your notion of opposite requires a given symmetry point, then therefore your notion of "what the set may be" is limited thereby, so it'll be things like "measures of coordinates" or such narrow things. whereas my set i
mp_en_viaje: s always "the universe"
mp_en_viaje: as far as i'm concerned, any two subsets of the universe that have no shared points are in principle opposite, and the symmetry point is to be established through conversation if interesting.
mp_en_viaje: though in general conversation rather circles the shared points problem, because obviously two subsets of the universe will have ~some~ shared points in ~some~ view. but then the invalidation of the view becomes the point, constructing discourse. because obviously man must pick some views.
diana_coman: I can see it; there's no limitation due to axes, it's n-dimensional space so infinity of axes
diana_coman: but you are right in that indeed, any distinct sets are effectively opposite with the symmetry point somewhere in between
mp_en_viaje: or at least could be, or could come to be, or be said to be or etcetera. very greek-like approach to the problem.
diana_coman: I suppose my limitation/narrower viewpoint might come at times from not really granting everything the infinite set of axes, yes; on looking at it, there's no reason to limit it upfront like this, no.
mp_en_viaje: well, probably expedient most of the time
diana_coman: certainly.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940517 << this is reasonable. maybe once outage is actually resolved, forward them something like "look, this is how much i settled on my customers for outage costing, 50% discount on your bw price for next month will very much help". let them feel the burn of their own idiocy in their pocket. if they pay, okay, if not they clearly intend to continue in the same vein so what
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:47:17 asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe.
mp_en_viaje: possible use could they be ?
mp_en_viaje: but this isn't the kind of thing were they may be permitted to walk away without bringing money from home.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 00:01:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nighty
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:30:10 asciilifeform: all chans synced (was 1st class bitch, 100% bare teeth)
mp_en_viaje: ah no, i just misread.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhikle in random trilema, bread with kalash in the background
mp_en_viaje: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y06/0a5-work-plan-vi.html << if you care for w43 suggestions, the one most painfully outstanding mp-wp item is the multi-image uploader.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-10-31 19:16:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867924 << ikr, multi-upload has been on the wishlist for mp-wp ever since... hey hanbot how long's it been now ?
diana_coman: hanbot you need to turn off that comment-pagination thing on your blog as it's messing up your recent comments links e.g. http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/comment-page-2/#comment-55392
asciilifeform: !q uptime
snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 11h 1m
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 04:49:08 mp_en_viaje: this is a judgment much akin to, "look, in your locale enel spa is the energy provider, monopoly by law, you're buying energy from them" "i'd have to look for my contract" "no, actually, you don't have to. i can tell you from ten thousand miles away, on this basis"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940547 << needs several things, e.g. locking cage, clean bw, sane upstream, reasonably habitable locale, a BingoBoingo to inhabit it, a userbase that adds up to > the cost of operation...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 04:51:37 mp_en_viaje: if indeed the observations are that 1. "non-nato" is meaningless, contemporary fucktard mindset is socialism anyways everywhere ; AND 2. the true problem for republican isp is actually clean bw, which "datacenters" fail to provide,
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940548 << afaik these are closer in cost to 'lay own oceanic fiber' than to current item
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 04:55:19 mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg bcnet-operated VTE).
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940564 << always wanted to see vienna. and budapest. ( and 'not on a tank, like grandfathers' !11 ) but dun expect to ever afford it
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:18:07 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940507 << you should actually see vienna. all i used to know about how "things are" from my days in olde yurp, 100% confirmed, just as i was starting to doubt.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:37:49 asciilifeform: usa is the 1 place where folx go around in motorized fatchairs errywhere
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:22:08 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940510 << problem is we did have one such, and he decided the best thing to do to himself is be as utterly stupid as possible. i very much suspect the actual driver behind http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-07-04#1831652 mystery is the fucking air, or something, makes the locals subtly suicidal.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:41:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re ru -- also looked into. has certain problems (planet's most fascist customs; and chinese-style 'national firewall' among'em) but dunno how relevant in practice, a local with good social engineering acumen could prolly finesse, to some degree. (problem is that we aint got one such)
ossabot: Logged on 2018-07-04 12:23:48 mircea_popescu: it makes a very in interesting point re "cultural wars" and "rock and roll killed the soviet union", namely, that cca 1950 the su was winning the cultural war, very much so, the larger of the "allies", the most accomplished, sending dogs in space and building the new frontier
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940572 << dunno that anyone's at risk of moving there. it's a maybe 9 of 10 on difficulty level.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:23:04 mp_en_viaje: atm i dunno i'd trust anyone from russia or recommend anyone move there. the one time this happened it blowed up in such a sickly manner, i absolutely don't want to spend the significant resources involved in dealing with the clean-up. as far as anyone knows, moscow's bogon-radioactive
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940634 << incidentally BingoBoingo is outage 100% over ? dulap is connected, anyone still out ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:20 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940517 << this is reasonable. maybe once outage is actually resolved, forward them something like "look, this is how much i settled on my customers for outage costing, 50% discount on your bw price for next month will very much help". let them feel the burn of their own idiocy in their pocket. if they pay, okay, if not they clearly intend to continue in the same ve
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:47:17 asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940637 << this is reasonable but will point out that we dun have a spare uruguay , a spare BingoBoingo , or budget to start from 0 with a new cosmonaut.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:50 mp_en_viaje: but this isn't the kind of thing were they may be permitted to walk away without bringing money from home.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940638 << was aboutta rage re timestamps but nope, they're correct. at least in that segment.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 06:08:31 mp_en_viaje: judging by http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940527 | http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940531 you managed it in negatgive time, ridin' on a tachyon beam
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 00:01:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nighty
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 01:30:10 asciilifeform: all chans synced (was 1st class bitch, 100% bare teeth)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, a bot that autosyncs. but needs moar test.
asciilifeform: (defo not fit for battlefield yet)
asciilifeform bbl:meat systems.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940634 << incidentally BingoBoingo is outage 100% over ? dulap is connected, anyone still out ? << Two Rockchips, sent the order to open the pipe to them few minutes ago.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:20 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940517 << this is reasonable. maybe once outage is actually resolved, forward them something like "look, this is how much i settled on my customers for outage costing, 50% discount on your bw price for next month will very much help". let them feel the burn of their own idiocy in their pocket. if they pay, okay, if not they clearly intend to continue in the same ve
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 23:47:17 asciilifeform: imho the smart thing to do is to exhaust erry possible avenue for making working silk purse from the existing sow's ear before spinning globe.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940652 << they don't necessarily cost anything, peering is called that because free. they MAY costr something uf you're small, but guaranteed less per terabit than anythingelse.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 12:35:17 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940548 << afaik these are closer in cost to 'lay own oceanic fiber' than to current item
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 04:55:19 mp_en_viaje: THEN the correct move is towards an ixp. there's thousands of these (eg bcnet-operated VTE).
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: do you know where is freenode's "won't federate answer"? I can't seem to find it at all; there's the initial talk in #freenode and then follow up in #eulora but nothing after that
snsabot: (eulora) 2017-10-01 mircea_popescu: kline this presupposes all people are equal. this isn't much regarded in the republican ideology. properly speaking someone worth 1mn speaking one line in ngins is more than a thousand worth 10bux each speaking a line each in same nginx.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i offered them a server back in 2011 ; and then throughout cca 2014. they never took me up on it, and eventually sold out to usg agency
diana_coman: k, thanks.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940666 << this is sad, but unrelated. you drop the hand when you establish it can't win, not when you decide you "can afford to lose" your imaginary share of the value of the pot.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 12:39:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940637 << this is reasonable but will point out that we dun have a spare uruguay , a spare BingoBoingo , or budget to start from 0 with a new cosmonaut.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:59:50 mp_en_viaje: but this isn't the kind of thing were they may be permitted to walk away without bringing money from home.
mp_en_viaje: the end result of "null-routed ip space for half a day whenever someone decides to spend 10 bux on '''ddos'''" is reproducible via 50 dubaloos/month in hand of any rando nobody/scammer off sitepoint forums ; no need to buy whole c blocks if they just null-route by the c-block like inconceivably cheeky b
mp_en_viaje: astards ; no need to pretend like you buy bw by the four digit dubaloos/mo and all that.
mp_en_viaje: who the fuck even heard of this, you have a whole block, they nulled the whole block ? it's cheekiness beyond any measure of cheek
mp_en_viaje: without actual packet captures, showing convincingly significant flood on EACH INDIVIDUAL IP, there's no way they're walking out of paying for the damage, and it'd better come with apologies at that.
BingoBoingo: And the last two IPs are released, much faster than before. I am going to arrange a sit down with Latecho folks next week.
mp_en_viaje: hanbot_abroad, you know i changed my mind, bring the camera over
hanbot_abroad: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940645 << thanks, oughta be fixed. first time i've had enough comments to notice, i think! :D
snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 10:41:44 diana_coman: hanbot you need to turn off that comment-pagination thing on your blog as it's messing up your recent comments links e.g. http://thewhet.net/2013/09/your-feelings-are-out-to-get-you/comment-page-2/#comment-55392
hanbot_abroad: mp_en_viaje kk
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940396 << ty BingoBoingo for restored service!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 18:23:45 BingoBoingo: !Q later tell billymg You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
lobbesbot: billymg: Sent 19 hours and 43 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> You seem to have a naked bouncer running on your Rockchip. Let me know how you want to move forward with getting the machine back online.
lobbesbot: billymg: Sent 17 hours and 1 minute ago: <BingoBoingo> Please send my an SSH public key. I will set up an account on the shared server for you from which you can access your Rockchip
BingoBoingo: billymg: ty for your patience, but please temper your thanks to me. So far I handled this clumsily.
billymg: ah, i missed the second message about a key for a shared server, is that still needed?
BingoBoingo: billymg: It is not.
billymg: no worries, i was keeping up with the logs during the whole episode. seems quite unfortunate that even the datacenter hosting piz suffers from http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940547 but i certainly don't put this on you
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-05 05:07:28 mp_en_viaje: if indeed the observations are that 1. "non-nato" is meaningless, contemporary fucktard mindset is socialism anyways everywhere ; AND 2. the true problem for republican isp is actually clean bw, which "datacenters" fail to provide,
BingoBoingo has been trying to think of ways to generate value in Uruguay outside of ISP'ing. Beyond getting land and some champion merino or Angus genetics... Mebbe marching locals nude through various plazas for the cameras on the road to producing art has potential.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, you pretty much would rather stay than move ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'm giving the matter a think.
BingoBoingo: Uruguay isn't without its charms, and it may be time to let another lord the opportunity to claw their way out of the zone. I woke up today with the oddly relaxing freedom that comes from not knowing what the immediate future holds, even if last night I put a good number of kilometers on the odometer in the drizzle loosening the big ball of stress I'd been trapped in.
mp_en_viaje: this is true
mp_en_viaje: there's certainly worse fates than living in uy
BingoBoingo: If another lord wants to step up and try Vienna, Portugal, Minks, etc... I don't know that "Señor (Herr?) Rogier hopped on a plane to a strange land before" should necessarily block someone else from the opportunity.
BingoBoingo: Trinque's recent post had me reevaluating the dietary situation and adjusting. I'd been taking it for granted Milk is rich in Vitamin D, etc only to discover... The locals throw some folic acid in flour y Ya! After making some dietary adjustments the last few weeks of winter were less "blah" burdened than te preceeding.
BingoBoingo: Of course there's also the chance something works out to extend Pizarro's life in Uruguay, but I'm going to look for some Qntra fodder, maybe put together a blog post, and see what Sunday and then later Monday hold.
mp_en_viaje: alf has a point in that not done ~yet~
BingoBoingo is also a bit curious about what Trishopping involves
BingoBoingo: Not done yet, going to make efforts to save it, but dammit Imma bask in this liberating uncertainty about my future for at least another couple hours.
mp_en_viaje: well, ima sleep for a coupla hours, much whoring scheduled for sat nite
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940693 << it is good to have my blog back. ty BingoBoingo
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-05 16:59:59 BingoBoingo: And the last two IPs are released, much faster than before. I am going to arrange a sit down with Latecho folks next week.
lobbes: BingoBoingo: Do I have the okay to bring an uncloaked auctionbot online?
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Go for it. billymg's return didn't end the world.
mp_en_viaje: hanbot_abroad, check this out : for f in *.JPG ; do ((cnt++)); convert "$f" -resize 1024 albertina-"$cnt".jpg ; done
lobbes: master of the bash
mp_en_viaje: beats their havng to do it by hand keks
hanbot_abroad: omg ir so obsolete!
hanbot_abroad: excellent news.
mp_en_viaje: 270 pics article brewing, tho prolly not tonight.
BingoBoingo: In local news, the local police have been finding substantial amounts of cocaine recently. Very different headlines from not that long ago becoming the norm http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-10-05#1858552
snsabot: Logged on 2018-10-05 12:43:43 BingoBoingo: In other local news: drug gang slowly took over public housing complex, used it to "warehouse" trivial quantity of drugs https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/desarticulan-clan-narco-que-tomo-complejo-de-casas-2018104203434
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/10/nato-ally-turkey-to-begin-independent-syria-ops-due-to-usg-unreliability/ << Qntra -- NATO Ally Turkey To Begin Independent Syria Ops Due To USG Unreliability
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