a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 23:45 asciilifeform: so produced garbage ( but ordered!111 and therefore fascinating!111 to certain folx ) garbage.
mircea_popescu: the fmi is gonna make some austerity recomendations, rite ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 02:45 mircea_popescu: diana_coman so in the end, the conclusion of these procedings is, we're switching to sjlj and use no handlers ? did you ever manage to get it going on smg test server ?
diana_coman: fwiw yesterday I had in parallel this recompile task going too, but all sorts of stuff going with it so it's still ongoing (and apparently I'll have afterwards to write-it up as well, on top of the sjlj data )
diana_coman: doesn't yet know wtf that is exactly - will go and dig
BingoBoingo: And it comes out GNAT has never been tested before to the extent the Republic is testing it
mircea_popescu: first "global warming", that didn't pan out, then "climate change", that also didn't pan out, now it's "nothing in particular" and i'm supposed to take them seriously ?
BingoBoingo: They gotta sell their Pol Pot plan for stability somehow.
mircea_popescu: nicoleci kitten, check out latest comments, local troll dug out the linkedin of this lulzcow. write to them, say hi an' tell 'em your master ordered you to.
mircea_popescu: as a smart woman once said, "to have fun you need to organize it". i know, cuz i wrote her.
mircea_popescu: (for thread completness : dood's a "crypto skeptic" for the simple reason that i told 'em to get in back in 2011, when ro speakers were going through a phase of our-homegoat-just-as-good-as-mp's-mercedes, and so of course they "knew better" then. romanians are dumb enough to get locked into these permamently, just like any other rural morons.)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, certainly not moved during the build; it says 16:34 gmt now so doubt it's a problem
diana_coman: but I start suspecting the --enable-sjlj-exceptions + static only -> barf
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diana_coman: hm, full replica might require I upload somewhere the tarballs too since at least 1 link was broken ; anyways, it's with
http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-now-always-static/ + taken out the download script for ada2016 because broken link + added GCC_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions" to extraconfig.sh ; set path to point to existing and working adacore 2016 gnat + put all tarballs in their place
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diana_coman: exorted makeopts and then run the build-ada.sh in short
diana_coman: at least to have some idea if the move to gcc that builds static only has to do with it
diana_coman: for sanity I just checked by the way that the exact same machine DOES in fact build successfully GNAT with those same scripts without the sjlj added requirement
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a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:07 diana_coman: but I start suspecting the --enable-sjlj-exceptions + static only -> barf
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mircea_popescu: does anyone have any appreciation WHATSOEVEr what a tower of shit all this is ? "oh, we have 3 options of which one sorta works except not in this way -- but the other two, barely at all!"
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a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dood runs windows, what can i tell you.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 16:45 mircea_popescu: does anyone have any appreciation WHATSOEVEr what a tower of shit all this is ? "oh, we have 3 options of which one sorta works except not in this way -- but the other two, barely at all!"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, my current appreciation is of the sort (tower of shit inside tower of shit )^infinity
diana_coman: paging ave1 - do you have any idea re compiling GNAT with musl WITH sjlj? see thread above
diana_coman: uhm, and ave1's blog thinks I'm a spammer and won't let me comment...
PeterL: bingoboingo: when do you plan to do another wff auction? Will you do chunks of 500 wff again?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, this was on smg machine; same machine that in same setup just without "--enable-sjlj" option builds the gnat perfectly fine
diana_coman: hm, do you mean to say it's because/while it tries to build the one for arm?
diana_coman: because no, the one installed on the machine and used for the scripts is adacore's
diana_coman: but obv during the build, it tries to build for all archs
diana_coman: ofc it's still a bug; but one step forward in figuring out something of this is still useful
diana_coman: and yes, I am currently mainly interested in x64
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> bingoboingo: when do you plan to do another wff auction? Will you do chunks of 500 wff again? << Next month, I will start at 500 WFF again
diana_coman: oh hm, on the + it seems at least so far the trouble is indeed on arm only; on the big minus, it seems though that the switch I used is not enough in fact i.e. the result still does not have sjlj rts; so I still need to see what exactly it wants to actually build the sjlj rts too
diana_coman: that's the switch I gave it; let me check in the log too to make sure I didn't dream I actually saw it in there (but for that matter if it didn't, it wouldn't have barfed)
diana_coman: darn, ofc there are TWO flags to set to the same thing i.e. one for bootstrapper and one for the resulting gnat
diana_coman: mk, so I'll add then: GCC_BOOTSTRAP_CONFFLAGS="--enable-sjlj-exceptions"
diana_coman: but I suspect this is not the end of it because the bootstrap will want additional stuff that it probably doesn't yet have set to have etc
diana_coman: full you mean? I didn't time it, more usual left it and came back to it done, but from scratch ~1hour , possibly a bit more than that (less than 2 though)
diana_coman: aha; I remembered the pain from first time when yes, whole night
diana_coman: I've started it now with both flags, let's see
BingoBoingo: In local developments, the local dorks have figured out how to get the motorized app managed kick scooters to work
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 17:45 diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896926 -> this failed precisely in the same way; need to get to the bottom of it really because Adacore's gnat otherwise IS compiled with sjlj so wtf
mircea_popescu: seems we're en route to discover that all gnat builds depend on ~this one bridge build~ that was done by a meanwhile dead graybeard sometime in 2001.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 17:46 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, my current appreciation is of the sort (tower of shit inside tower of shit )^infinity
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 18:36 asciilifeform: this, note, is ~still~ a bug ( or , worse, aarch64 dun know how to longjmp-task ? i.e. not implemented ? ) and will have to be cured. but as i undestand diana_coman is currently interested in x64.
mircea_popescu: "The issue is that the code generated for __builtin_longjmp reads a value for x29 (the frame pointer) from the jmp_buf, but the code generated for __builtin_setjmp doesn't actually write x29 to the jmp_buf, leading to corruption of x29 when a longjmp occurs.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine it was never written, this long jump thing was standardf for a while neh ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 19:15 asciilifeform: 'Jonathan Wakely 2014-12-12 15:35:00 UTC Just don't do silly things. Just because an option exists doesn't mean you need to use it.'
mircea_popescu: yes, but also for say mid 90s to maybe 2000something it was the way to do handling neh
mircea_popescu: so you're saying "arm came too late, sjlj already indexed" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect this is my problem. i don't mentally distinguish aarch64 from arm correctly.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-15 20:02 diana_coman: darn, ofc there are TWO flags to set to the same thing i.e. one for bootstrapper and one for the resulting gnat
a111: Logged on 2019-02-06 15:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's not so much win from 64 on lappies where max ram e.g. 3GB.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-01 02:08 asciilifeform: or the pumping stations ( unmarked on maps, cuz 'strategic', but quite visible from street )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being, small ram 64 bit not particularly useful.
mircea_popescu: cursory familiarity with the state of the computing stack (and, implicitly, the utter ridiculousness of any wasp-remnant notions of "the public oppionion" and "wouldn't permit" etc) would have saved that white haired tard a lot of unplesantness down in ecuador embassy.
mircea_popescu: because FUCKING OBVIOUSLY it dun work worth a shit nor does it do anything, practically speaking. and if it doesn't here, it doesn't re "education" or "politics" or "civil society" or what have you.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 14:33 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624146 << alpha was already half-dead when hp swallowed compaq, in '02. iirc compaq shitburied it in '01 and sold all rights to intel, who proclaimed the arch now known as 'itanic' as its replacement.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:29 mircea_popescu: o, speaking of "women in tech" : after thoroughly wrecking yahoo (eerily reminiscent of carly fiorina's "performance" at meanwhile disappeared compaq/hp), melissa meyer disappeared from view ; leaving verizon to pick up teh pieces.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, the cardboard "entrepreneurs" don't exist in the us like in the orcistans, as named individuals. they're named... legal persons.
a111: Logged on 2018-03-21 16:44 mircea_popescu: "Like a bad ass she is, she proved to be wise beyond her years by standing head and shoulders (Or is it ass-tall) with the boys." doesn't even INTEND irony, you realise.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile -- no they don't have any tech, much like the zimbuzz dun have music.
