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diana_coman: asciilifeform, one could certainly keep at all times 64 worker threads idling and waiting for jobs; initially I had implemented it precisely as such: all it takes is to accept a Get_Job request only when there IS a job to hand out; it adds a bit of complexity in there though because there has to be a flag for "available job" and then it has to be kept up to date correctly (which can be a bit tricky as it's not only when a job is added, it'
diana_coman: s also when a job is finished since the player id may be released or when/if a worker aborts unexpectedly )
diana_coman: re workers aborting unexpectedly: it shouldn't happen, no; but I can't rely on it not happening
diana_coman: that being said, I'm not sure in fact that there is a need for the Initialize procedure itself if I'm to cut something out (it's enough to initialize the array when declaring it - although technically it will happen later than within initialize,it's still before anyone gets to use it so perfectly adequate)
mircea_popescu: the problem is, since you can't guarantee workers staying up, you'll need a way to create them anyway.
mircea_popescu: it is actually better to have a robust life.death cycle than to pretend like death ain't supposed to happen.
diana_coman: re workers and specialisation: the worker tasks are not specialised, they do whatever job they are given and moreover the choice is made by job type as it were
diana_coman: aha
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to force you to kill them any more often than you benefit from anyway.
diana_coman: in mircea_popescu's model/apache terminology the "workers" are in fact my jobs there: they get created , executed, finish
diana_coman: I suspect asciilifeform's point was more along the lines: why kill them at all instead of letting them idle in there until something to do; not really "why do you bother having a way to create them?"
mircea_popescu: what ? no, not at all.
mircea_popescu: apache workers ain't jobs ; and i took alf's comments to mean "why are you killing them 9k times/s", which is in his usual style of random assumptive approach, nobody said they'd be killed often.
diana_coman: if there's nothing for them to do, they get killed; but not sure what's the point in keeping them idling anyway; i.e. if it's busy then no, they don't get killed
mircea_popescu: right.
diana_coman: I'll probably need to find out exactly what the overhead for their creation is anyway
mircea_popescu: i suspect you'll end up with them specialized, rather than case-switched, on acct of the overhead involved. however, time wil ltell
diana_coman: overhead of the case-switched/
diana_coman: ?
diana_coman: from the job market's pov it's easier to have them not-specialised really
mircea_popescu: yes. because ada entities keep getting wrapped in things that end up eating runtime to "elaborate" and whatever ion thios vein.
mircea_popescu: that much is true.
diana_coman: and the case-switch is done inside the worker so on their time at most
diana_coman: hm, you mean the overhead at creating the job itself then (as that's the object that gets bigger to elaborate)
mircea_popescu: every time you load one you have to load the whole pile of everything, for the whole case set. eventually (it stands to reason) you'll find it cheaper to specialize them.
mircea_popescu: but really, no rush with this bikeshed.
diana_coman: aha
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diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893544 -> adding to this, on (re)^n -read of docs I doubt there's any benefit in having a controlled type in there; essentially the main thread will *wait* for all tasks spawned by the SJM to finish from what I understand; so then aborting them in a Finalize makes precisely 0 sense and instead I should probably make it a plain array and offer users of the package a non-synchronised procedure to abort them
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 23:56 asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-109.1672-109.1738 << will be interesting to see if this functions if stuffed into a static lib, in light of the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-22#1889467 puzzler
diana_coman: if /when desired (i.e. at shutdown time, the sequence might be something along the lines send stop signal to sjm and then /after a while, if there is anything still running, call the abort)
BingoBoingo: For the Unfairness files: Local media finally reporting last night's fire. What picture do they put above the fold? One lifted from wikipedo where fire wasn't. http://archive.is/2AVuL
BingoBoingo: Though they did cover Uruguay's foreign minister pointing out the obvious: "Para Nin Novoa, Guaidó "es más ilegítimo" que Maduro" https://archive.is/fflqI
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893667 << this is mistake, and imho subtle and worth addressing , i wrote an illustration for mircea_popescu : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TXKlj/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:47 mircea_popescu: yes. because ada entities keep getting wrapped in things that end up eating runtime to "elaborate" and whatever ion thios vein.
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asciilifeform: in the pictured example, the only item that ends up loaded is the requested one.
asciilifeform: i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893671 specifically aint so. ( tho you ~still~ may want to specialize'em for ~different~ reason, if , say, it makes the proggy moar clear )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:47 mircea_popescu: every time you load one you have to load the whole pile of everything, for the whole case set. eventually (it stands to reason) you'll find it cheaper to specialize them.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893662 << as i currently understand, it will be whatever the pthread overhead is on the given linux
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:45 diana_coman: I'll probably need to find out exactly what the overhead for their creation is anyway
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mircea_popescu: well, we see when it gets there.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so send them emails / drop by offices in person, "hey, look!"
BingoBoingo: I may have to. May also have to stop by the Bomberos, but that probably involves a lot of union wank.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893686 << oh is that so ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 15:45 asciilifeform: in the pictured example, the only item that ends up loaded is the requested one.
mircea_popescu: nifty at that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nevermind the bomberos, and fi you're going to do it at all do it today.
diana_coman: hm, in possibly interesting ada-bits: apparently "abort" for tasks does not really kill them if /when they are in an infinite loop; according to ada docs I got the idea of "abort-deferred" i.e. in some states it won't abort but "infinite loop or waiting for a procedure call to return" did not seem to figure there; in practical terms this means that my workers will have to attempt any Job in a guarded manner i.e. give up on it after some ma
diana_coman: ximum set time, so that they can guarantee that they will NEVER block no matter what
diana_coman: (since if they block, they also block the whole thing that is stuck waiting on them and can't kill them even)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo you'd rather have them work not in a guarded maner but in an acid-ish manner, and kill them after a set time established administratively.
diana_coman: but I can't kill them if they are looping!!
diana_coman: that's exactly my point above
mircea_popescu: you can not kill them AT ALL no matter what ?
diana_coman: not while they are in an infinite loop it seems
diana_coman: will look at it some more and bbl
mircea_popescu: this is fucking ridiculous, you can't have a language like that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll shoot em an email today. Their office is out in the sticks near the Palacio Legislativo. Long walk for a below the fold story.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it might tickle you to find that while the mountain lion (aka, puma) is a species of "least concern" (ie, in the pantsuit designator of animal concern trolling, they figure as "excluded") nevertheless the pantsuit comfortably living off other people's income in and around los angeles are "advising" "the town" on how to "improve genetic diversity" in the "fragmented" populations.
mircea_popescu: you see, highways are impassable WALLS for the lions ; and because "genetic diversity" is the summum bonum for late-roosevelt pantsuits, it then follows there must be "land bridges" erected so african immigrant lions can come into the suburban lions' house an' cuck 'em.
BingoBoingo: Lol
mircea_popescu: at least they're systematic in their retardedness.
BingoBoingo: Team puma is also down a young male after it aggressed against a jogger and got choked out this week. Not really qntra, but in the files for blogfodder.
mircea_popescu: how can anyone be "down a young male" ? that's what the fuck they're for, i'm not "down six boxes" because i got six boxes on atm.
BingoBoingo: They are "down a young male" in the same way Baltimore or Ferguson profess to be before they ritually burn so the big drug drop can make it in
mircea_popescu: yeah, say, i was watching some oliver stone flicks (as part of an aborted integral, jesus that guy sucks, and the 70s suck with him) and in one of them lester (of cucking de niro in casino fame) was a very poor reporter going to san salvador to report on the 1970s maduro thing there (which btw -- last i heard still ongoing).
BingoBoingo: "Asshole jogger teased its diverse prey seeking drive, then choked the poor kitty after baiting it"
mircea_popescu: 1970s us poverty very much correctly and convincingly depicted, and then when running into latino poverty, he excalims "shit, this is like baltimore or something"
mircea_popescu: so now, considering this 1970-2020 fiddy year bridge -- how is baltimore ? did the black preachers turn it into a garden yet ?
BingoBoingo: How unfair the Uruguayos managed to produce a second city center in their capital during the interval.
BingoBoingo rereading http://trilema.com/2012/the-stockexchange-shareholders-on-welfare/ 4 and a half years later
mircea_popescu: you mean seven
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893711 << iirc it was seriously usg.considered to introduce proper, african lion to 'midwest' usa
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 16:31 mircea_popescu: you see, highways are impassable WALLS for the lions ; and because "genetic diversity" is the summum bonum for late-roosevelt pantsuits, it then follows there must be "land bridges" erected so african immigrant lions can come into the suburban lions' house an' cuck 'em.
asciilifeform: wonder what happened to that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right you are, nearly a decade
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly died out.
mircea_popescu: lion can't take frost, gets pneumonia and dies.
asciilifeform: either that or choked on the mcfat.
mircea_popescu: one way to think of species is in terms of morphology, classify-by-what-it-looks-like.
mircea_popescu: this was fashionable in the 1800s, but to my eye today, better way to think of species is in terms of immune system protein trees.
mircea_popescu: classified by what-cocci-get-it
mircea_popescu: large cats are very vulnerable to common pneumococcus, whioch makes one wonder whether it being "the cow disease" in humans is merely coincidence
mircea_popescu: or whether the cows carry it as defense miasma.
asciilifeform: could easily; no reason why this kinda thing gotta be limited to plant kingdom
mircea_popescu: of course, education, esp common trunk education, dun include anything as modern as support for this non-1800s approach.
mircea_popescu: but it's still there.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893706 << consider this gedankenexperiment: say you have an infinite loop, incrementing a variable N. at some point you asynchronously kill it. what is N then ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 16:28 diana_coman: not while they are in an infinite loop it seems
mircea_popescu: undefined.
asciilifeform: correct
asciilifeform: and why wouldja want undefines in your proggy ?
mircea_popescu: it's not in my proggy anymore, i stopped it.
asciilifeform: the appeal of asynchronous killing is an artifact of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892449
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 22:12 mircea_popescu: equiring more perl -- the perl programmer who veers off the road into the forest will get out of his car and cut down each and every tree that blocks his progress, then drive a few meters and repeat the whole process. whether he gets where he wanted to go or not is immaterial -- a perl programmer will happily keep moving forward and look busy. getting a perl programmer back on the road is a managerial responsibility, and it
mircea_popescu: no dude, the appeal of "do what i tell you to do" is an artefact of the republic even existing in the first place.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it's quite evident WHENCE it came in this discussion : we have some problems to solve.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you permit asynchronous killing of thread, ~any~ part of your proggy could conceivably end up as that N, you have nfi what that thing was doing when you shot it
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: so it's same 'so' as 'hey i'll follow a dangling pointer if i damn well please, so'
mircea_popescu: yes, and if i have a gun in the house "anyone could in principle end up pointed at with it". wtf is this, pantsuit hour ?
asciilifeform: in this case the thing is loaded, cocked, and pointing at yer foot.
mircea_popescu: if someone shuts down some procedure i didn't want shut down, i'll find them and kill them. and meanwhile, i can't have gord eating my sandwiches as a 28 yo "man".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the q is why you even ~have~ a wedgedeable -- i.e. having to be async-killed -- subprocess in yer proggy.
mircea_popescu: the only correct solution to "this program has spawned something it can't kill" is "kill the program then".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's not the fucking question. the question is i don't have a wedgeable, and "somehow" the shit dun die when i say.
asciilifeform: this is entirely correct, if you have a wedgeable subprocess in a correctly-written proggy, there is a catastrophic mistake and time to switch whole thing off and find where.
asciilifeform: ( could be dead iron, say )
mircea_popescu: the only possible basis for society, human as well as computer, is "all sons live exactly as long as father permits them, and no longer."
mircea_popescu: if i can't kill threads any time i want, I WILL NEVER SPAWN ANY.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you accomplish this by giving the subs a termination condition
asciilifeform: rather than letting'em infinite-loop and having to async-kill'em
mircea_popescu: this is besides the point. my power to kill any thing at any time shall not be infringed.
mircea_popescu: there's no "the way to do that".
mircea_popescu: i will kill ANY THING at ANY TIME.
asciilifeform: the mains switch is right there lol
mircea_popescu: if ada does not manage to provide me with all the tools i need to the exclusion of the power switch, i will ditch ada and move on to programming in power switches.
mircea_popescu: there can not be such a thing as a language that infringes the father's priviledge.
mircea_popescu: it's not a language, it's a wankpile.
mircea_popescu: fucking reason i even moved off windows was when i discovered that unlike dos, it does not support this.
mircea_popescu: that was all it took.
asciilifeform: pretty sure you can get at the underlying pthread and term it, if you gotta. just like you can get at raw c ptrs , as illustrated in e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis . my observation aint 'shuddyp and suck, lang tied yer hands for yer own good' but 'if your proggy is actually correct, you won't find yerself ~having~ to individually scalpel out threads'
mircea_popescu: so then i'm guessing if indeed this problem is encountered thing should just die altogether.
asciilifeform: aha, imho it's a 'yer iron is on fire' condition.
asciilifeform: to run with mircea_popescu's analogy, you want to birth the sons such that they go, when ordered, to the seppuku room, lay down the white sheet, and carefully dump out their guts into the provided pot; rather than having to chop'em up in yer living room, where they'll shit selves, thrash around breaking the fine china, and make whatever other mess.
mircea_popescu: i can buy that.
asciilifeform actually grasps mircea_popescu's pov quite well, after coupla decades with broken soft that does 'whatever it feels like', one starts thinking of 'i want control' in the sense of 'all i want is a big enuff spiked club to smash it all with'. but if you ~actually have~ proper control, cuz you wrote a correct proggy, then what you really want is 'feldmarschall's baton', not club.
mircea_popescu: all things rest on the fundamental "do what i say or i'll fucking kill you".
asciilifeform: rright but with the implicit 'and after kill you, will get new one, who does what was told'
asciilifeform: otherwise yer running abbatoir, with cows, rather than army.
mircea_popescu: i can buy that.
mircea_popescu: and ftr, it's not "coupla decades with broken soft". it's coupla decades interacting socially with the women and children "of" inept http://bimbo.club/2019/02/the-travel-guide/ dorks, so that i'm stuck lowering my backseat window and screaming "does she ever get laid ?!" to mother-daughter couple sutured at the palm-elbow joint.
asciilifeform: that also a broken soft of a kind.
mircea_popescu: yes, of the kind in http://ossasepia.com/2011/01/29/antreprenorii-si-misticismul/#selection-37.0-37.548 and in http://trilema.com/2010/aventurile-zilei/#selection-49.0-49.1103 and more generally http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.0-133.837
asciilifeform: btw in re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893771 , ye olde dos, for all of its virtues, is possibly worst example, when you run yer proggy there, os loses all control, you may as well have booted straight into yer proggy without any os
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:05 mircea_popescu: fucking reason i even moved off windows was when i discovered that unlike dos, it does not support this.
mircea_popescu: power button worked well enough.
asciilifeform: aha, erry dos box i ever owned, i truly 'programmed with the mains switch'
mircea_popescu: see ?
asciilifeform: ( to the point that the sov pc clone 'iskra', 1st comp i ever laid hands on, actually had a cpu reset key ~on kbd~ , nice big red thing )
asciilifeform: it's a bitch tho, what you really want is to lose the wedge, rather than errything you keyed in the past xx min. hence asciilifeform's elaboration of the principle in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215 .
mircea_popescu: i'm not against a kernel that a) never itself crashes and b) always kills anything i want FOR me, and elegantly.
mircea_popescu: but i will not stand for this "can't kill my baby" nonsense.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/mOXQE << for thread-completeness. iskra kbd. the magic 'anykey' is on upper left hand.
asciilifeform: for extra lulz, asciilifeform's brother introduced the red button to him as 'эникей' , and for yrs later thought this, 'ha, programmers sadistically exhort green n00b to reset cpu'
mircea_popescu: they do.
asciilifeform: used to , at least.
asciilifeform: afaik what passes for comp nowadays ( where 'it dun fit on the pnoje screen!!11' ) often dun even ~have~ a reset.
BingoBoingo: And, escooters are here https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Monopatines-compartidos-acaban-de-llegar-y-ya-se-vende-uno-robado-uc709584
mircea_popescu still recalls discussion in the heart of what later became one of romania's largest isps, when sold to i udn recall who : five dudes each with large-ish ad hoc networks (i suspect you recall those) were talking about pooling, and they needed what in the civilised world is a peering noc, and it was discussed what items to buy
mircea_popescu: and i said "why would you buy these small shits, they don't even have a reset button"
mircea_popescu: the pov prevailed, and their early ad-hoc "dc" in a sovok flat room somewhere contained proper boxed desktops instead of server racks.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:01 mircea_popescu: the only correct solution to "this program has spawned something it can't kill" is "kill the program then".
diana_coman: and to clarify just in case there was any doubt: NO, workers are not meant to loop for ever or any such nonsense; BUT I still can't assume that can not happen!
mircea_popescu: they have a whole signalling thing in ada, so you don't have to do the retarded c infinite loop
diana_coman: sure, as the code shows there is no infinite loop anyway yes; workers will wait on Get_Job and that's pretty much
mircea_popescu: aha.
diana_coman: but the whole thing here was more about what completing the job means - which so far is not defined and at any rate it's defined with the Job, not with the worker as it were; anyway, I stumbled on this just as part of usual "poke new things around in all directions"
asciilifeform: incidentally, before $thread is forgotten, oughta add that unix's model of process-killin' is a convincing illusion, but not the Real Thing, given e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838388
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 16:15 asciilifeform: unix i/o is retarded, if blocking read blocks, it gives you a zombie process , and the next process you start that tried to read same tty, will also become zombie
asciilifeform: i.e. even ~there~ you dun have the desired 'thread could have been doing anyffin at all, but can cleanly async-term it' .
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893803 << i was reading this and waiting for the inevitable 'and then one day elbow' but apparently nodice
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:46 mircea_popescu: the pov prevailed, and their early ad-hoc "dc" in a sovok flat room somewhere contained proper boxed desktops instead of server racks.
mircea_popescu: nah, they sold out, became https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPC_Romania
mircea_popescu: prior to that, "astral telecom"
asciilifeform: incidentally virtually all the cages in BingoBoingo's magic cellar contain 1 or moar (old enuff to show yellowing...) desktops/towers
BingoBoingo: The split is more cages without any desktops and cages that are all desktops.
asciilifeform: i admit i did not exhaustively peek in each
mircea_popescu: ugc-europe / "liberty global" being this sorta economic warfare support wing, back in the 90s when they still had a clue re http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-25#581083
a111: Logged on 2014-03-25 20:52 mircea_popescu: same thing had the us the ballsack to make iraq the 51st state
mircea_popescu: "In May 2011, UPC launched for the first time the 3D technology, which changed the TV program viewing modality."
mircea_popescu: this shit's so lulzy.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893807 << the 1 concern there is blocking unix i/o calls, these can potentially wedge ( if not wrapped with appropriate timeout )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:12 mircea_popescu: they have a whole signalling thing in ada, so you don't have to do the retarded c infinite loop
asciilifeform: ideally you wouldn't even i/o from a worker thread, imho, only main prog would i/o.
asciilifeform: ( in re the q of how to keep thread from wedging ~each other~, consult dijkstra, not asciilifeform )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol! even in ro, '3d tv' ?!
asciilifeform: 'smellovision' when.
mircea_popescu: eh, the divergence between what they put in their reports to shareholders and what's going on irl is aptly summarized by that "which changed the TV program viewing modality" wooden tongue explosion.
mircea_popescu: severina pascu evidently had a lot of wrist wringing / re-did the translation 18 times until such gem was polished into its current greatness.
mircea_popescu: (the usgistani model, where "career women" and "corporate life" and what the fuck is ~particularly~ amusing in romania, where the difference between this, http://gothtypes.wikia.com/wiki/Emo_Goth and the lengthy history of male receptive homosexuality social expression can simply not be made.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding it distinguishes among things like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893496 is native and automatic.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 20:05 mircea_popescu: romanians imply various subtle distinction. eg, "gargaun" would be the sort of skittering beetle that digs unseen and ruins structures, like termite or weevil (the folk name of which, "gargarita", very much model for name)
mircea_popescu: but they simply never found the linguistic resources (yes, that's a pun.)
mircea_popescu: actually, thinking about it : there was a hysterical poster of 1990s vintage, produced of romanians mocking the blown away reaction of ameritards on contact with romanian workplace mat. because yes, in ro the way to discuss the boss among workers is "that cocksucker", and the customers are very much "those insufferable morons" and so following. but in usg, the manner to address systematic problems is trhough minutia, and so i
mircea_popescu: t went, "dear employees, please do not refer to the hr vp as 'nefututa aia'" and so following to exhaustion.
mircea_popescu: sadly i can't seem to locate it anymore. the things you end up missing ;/
mircea_popescu: pity the internet wasn't invented by romanians, it'd have racial resistance to trolling built in by default.
mircea_popescu: and for completness, let us archive https://www.apropotv.ro/showbiz/-in-anii-90-era-una-dintre-cele-mai-frumoase-femei-din-romania-vezi-cat-de-schimbata-e-acum--13807822-articol
asciilifeform: ugh wat happened there ? they built a mcd and she took up eating in it ?
mircea_popescu: (i know it sounds ridoinculous, but obscure starlet took job to do some show or other in ro and as a result ended up hounded by ~all males, including the "finance minister" (a "technocratic expert" bla bla etcetera), the star soccer player, the star tennis player / chief bisnitar etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what happened, http://trilema.com/2009/problema-cu-casatoria/ happened. chick got married.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: nobody even fucking knows such a thing as "laura stone" even existed, except for romanians old enough to recall the 90s.
asciilifeform: not many folx remember old champ tennisist either
asciilifeform wonders whether e.g. that microshit compound in bucharest, is run along http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893837 trad, or ustard.conventionally
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:39 mircea_popescu: actually, thinking about it : there was a hysterical poster of 1990s vintage, produced of romanians mocking the blown away reaction of ameritards on contact with romanian workplace mat. because yes, in ro the way to discuss the boss among workers is "that cocksucker", and the customers are very much "those insufferable morons" and so following. but in usg, the manner to address systematic problems is trhough minutia, and so i
mircea_popescu: ilie nastase ? dood was supposed to be "rich businessman" in a romania that had very much the "luxor center for businessmen" outlook, owing to a complete and utter http://trilema.com/2009/de-mogulibus/#selection-57.0-65.473 , before http://trilema.com/2010/s-o-lamurim-pe-asta-cu-securitatea/#selection-53.0-53.694
mircea_popescu: ie, he ran off, made some dough ($100 was an immense sum in a country where yearly incomes averaged $50)
asciilifeform: was this that very same 'varanul' ? or lesser clone ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you happen to recall / still have that poster ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, entirely different item. this is more http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/
asciilifeform: aa, the kind that runs off with 'investor'olade , rather than public coffer
mircea_popescu: ie, athlete/lottery winner being convinced by entourage that "he has something to say" in the http://trilema.com/2018/yes-bitch-i-would-bring-it/ vein of world-establishing saying,
mircea_popescu: nah, rather, "winner" of tournament thingee, now stuck pretending like he's a sorta king sui generis.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893832 << might as well mock linkedin's "protections", neh. https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E03AQFpUoy6Vdur9Q/profile-displayphoto-shrink_800_800/0?e=1554940800&v=beta&t=ucyjKOxSqYUjgPSTsLkHvOUZlH3ErYItoPcikRklugc <<
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:35 mircea_popescu: severina pascu evidently had a lot of wrist wringing / re-did the translation 18 times until such gem was polished into its current greatness.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you might enjoy http://trilema.com/2012/pasunismul-noua-religie-a-lumii-prostilor/ from back when mp mostly wrote about orc amateurism. very male flavour, same fizz.
asciilifeform: oh neato, ty, i'll eat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this reads like ye olde (imho great, btw) guide to perpetuum-mobile aficionados
asciilifeform: ( i dun recall whether was on trilema, or older, elsewhere )
asciilifeform: was a kind of taxonomy of dodges/'fatlogic' gymnastics
mircea_popescu: how did it go ?
mircea_popescu: possibru not on trilema
asciilifeform: wish i could dredge up the orig. but from memory it had a 'resists formalization' definitely
asciilifeform: 'won't commit to writing down an equation for love or money'
asciilifeform: 'identifies similars as idempotents'
asciilifeform: buncha these.
asciilifeform: and hrm where was that three-cycle engine thread.
mircea_popescu: may be schwartz ? but as a bonus : http://trilema.com/2010/voi-nu-meritati-respect/#selection-41.0-41.597 hory shit, 100% costa rica's heredia-alajuela axis!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly was schwartz. had also a great point where 'crackpot will find how to take the 'proof' to where its demolition requires ever slightly moar advanced grasp of subj than he is able to muster'
asciilifeform: ( arguably a variant of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686299 thinking )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 22:58 asciilifeform: whaack is quite likely thinking of the bulk of the b00k, which consists of blockcipher liquishit which is complicated for no reason at all other than the religion where 'it is confusing to ME, author, and therefore Must Be Hard To Break'
mircea_popescu: i confess i like it, as expression, but it also grates me. deeper understanding is not generally "more advanced" in the sense of, "sits atop larger pyramid", but generally in the sense of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884426
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 17:18 mircea_popescu: why the fuck didn't i think of that.
mircea_popescu: that literally ~advanced~ metamaterial isn't for this advance further, but rather -- closer.\
asciilifeform: right! it's ~never in the 'pyramid' sense
asciilifeform: it's in the 'whole thing is a bridge to nowhere on acct of [noether's symmetry or other item perpetrator is entirely innocent of]'
mircea_popescu: i suppose the dead endness of dead ends is ~always~ going to be sitting on a pyramid tho. "how do you know this can't be" very different from "here, try it, it works"
asciilifeform: 'pyramid' is typically product of 'linear mind' ( from mircea_popescu's recent piece on subj ) pilin' up whatever dung he could muster
asciilifeform: e.g. the infamous circle-squarers, sometimes produced book-length piles o'???
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/brexit-spirit-no-fault-divorce-coming-to-airstrip-one/ << Qntra -- Brexit Spirit: No Fault Divorce Coming To Airstrip One
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I found only this one http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Iitk3/?raw=true although I remember a better one
asciilifeform: could've sworn that item was subj of old thrd
mircea_popescu: this seems familiar.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i suspect might be it.
mircea_popescu: "It has been brought to our attention [...] that offensive language is commonly used by [...] staff. Such behavior, in addition to violating our policy, is highly unprofessional and offensive to both visitors and staff." << very typical flavour of bureaucrat alt-worlding, "here staff, here's wha
mircea_popescu: t is offensive to you"
mircea_popescu: very much the unifying thread of http://trilema.com/2018/hey-women-did-you-know-that-before-the-pantsuited-hilarity-gave-you-your-civil-rights-you-were-living-in-slavery/ and tlp's "hey x people, did you know you hate y people ?" usg.media model.
mircea_popescu: "staff" didn't know what's highly offensive to it until the nigger brigade showed up to enlighten!
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, perhaps the largest open question re ro language would be why exactly everything exasperatingly dubious belongs to the Fish.
mircea_popescu: tyvm diana_coman
BingoBoingo: "
BingoBoingo: 10. You should never call partner representatives as boul dracului or t�mpitu\' ala." << Gem
mircea_popescu: sadly they sound like nothing in english. "devli's ox" wtf is that ?!
mircea_popescu: timpit doesn't even exist in any sense, unless you dig out slavonic. what's the english ~word~ for someone made dull by repeated blunt skull trauma ?
trinque: they're "punch drunk" ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, that's only when they are on tilt
mircea_popescu: that's acute, the idea here's chronic.
mircea_popescu: pity it's missing, too, because i know of scarcely better word to denote us corp drone besides ro tîmpiți.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform walks ever closer to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882654 , the ro item http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729202 turned out to contain an exact 1x2cm ~purpose-made cavity~ in each heel, and they wore through simultaneously . i.e. obsolescence bomb.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 22:24 asciilifeform walks on just this side of the razor's edge of 'fucking, i'ma make own shoes'
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 13:27 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729160 << for perhaps first time in life i have real shoes nao
asciilifeform: filled'em with high pressure silicone for petrol pumps. but still fucking outrageous.
asciilifeform: in usa you can walk into supposed shoe place ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769002 ) and pay $maxint, and will still get ~this ( not to mention , it's a lemon market, the folx with ~money here buy decorative fucktardery with wooden soles , not actually made for walking )
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect that decent shoes are somehow illegal in usa. they are ~entirely unavailable in any shop i've ever walked into there.
asciilifeform: how the fuck is it, that in '40s they not only had shoes that one could walk from moscow to berlin and back, but cheaply enuff that erry piece of cannon fodder could have a pair.
BingoBoingo: Burlington Problem. Outside of Clotheirs lucky enough to find patronage, the sector is dominiated by cost cutting and product turnover. Every now and then pieces of butthurt "sneaker investors" pop up with the penetrated feeling very sore their forum investments fell apart in storage without ever having been worn.
mircea_popescu: so come over buy some shoes/clothes/gent wares.
mircea_popescu: bimbo can take you there, optionally in schoolgirl outfit.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in teeth and claw, today "burning bob beck" exhibit 1: the hotlinkers at google: https://archive.is/yKcpC exhibit 2: the out of WoT but tin women free DDG https://archive.is/PJvE4
BingoBoingo: And from the fallen out of communion files, Pete got credit card frauded http://www.contravex.com/2019/02/02/what-do-credit-card-thieves-like-to-buy-guns-and-games-in-paris/
asciilifeform: i didnt see much worth buying in BingoBoingostan.. or was mircea_popescu speaking of his locale
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: holy mother of fuck is that d00d's www a snoar nowadays
BingoBoingo: Chronic Domestication Syndrome
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He had to have been speaking of his tropical paradise.
asciilifeform: i admit i have some difficulty picturing proper, winter-capable fur-lined boots sold in cr, but if mircea_popescu says he saw this, i will believe
asciilifeform: ( and will look for'em when i finally get the chance )
BingoBoingo: Ah, those are the items in question!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yea, the kind where you can do rain, shine, winter, summer, through standing water, wherever
asciilifeform: mud esp.
asciilifeform: sometimes i think half of the mud in the world, lives right here in swampistan
BingoBoingo: Well, "Redwing 606" hasn't rotted yet, but I haven't been wearing them much this summer either. Also not fur lined.
asciilifeform: these look solid. tho i fuckinghate laces.
BingoBoingo: Outsource dealing with the laces to pet
BingoBoingo: I can say these are more shoe than any other shoes I have had before. On the other hand I not have experience with the shoes that set you bar for "shoes"
asciilifeform: lol check out what their www shat forth ?
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cDPk3/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: Eat more MicroShaft
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik the state-of-the-art bar is still http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893909 .
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 21:56 asciilifeform: how the fuck is it, that in '40s they not only had shoes that one could walk from moscow to berlin and back, but cheaply enuff that erry piece of cannon fodder could have a pair.
asciilifeform: afaik these aint gettable (new) today, without time machine, tho.
asciilifeform: rather like the old thread with mircea_popescu's top hat.
asciilifeform: aaat least it's a pair of 100bux boot, and not pete's '15 days in the shop and $10`750 in servicing costs,ii since then he’s only spent 4 days in the shop and $3`750 in servicing costs.' toyota
asciilifeform: ( http://www.contravex.com/2019/02/07/three-years-with-jay/ , lulzy )
BingoBoingo: That's only somewhere between 4 to 7 air cooled VW Fuscas down here.
asciilifeform: imho it's hilarious, d00d is loaded and yet there he is , buying plastic tubs that run winblowz and thinking they're cars
BingoBoingo: Nah, he domesticated, tempered his past hobbies, and is on an all too familiar track.
asciilifeform: speaking of domestic appliances, the freight people called, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893570 item is set to come in on monday
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 00:34 asciilifeform: in that light the oven oughta make a good ic frier, has adjustable voltage.
asciilifeform: 'where sir is loading dock' 'no dock, put on asphalt'
feedbot: http://mocky.org/Trick-or-Treat-Caring-vs-Uncaring-Whores/ << Mocky.org -- Trick or Treat: Caring vs Uncaring Whores
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Nice Qatar update
Mocky: thx
Mocky: got a handful more to grunt out. not that I'm back to work I have free time again
Mocky: then imma migrate to wp
BingoBoingo: Funny how that works
Mocky: *now that I'm back to work
Mocky: i haven't had to go into the office every day for 10 years. takes some getting used to
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: Well, when you get vacation time whores are much easier (in theory) to find down here.
Mocky: im on 6 month contract to hire, so no paid time off until they beg me to go perm in July
BingoBoingo: Nevermind the whorehouse around the corner has a couple different websites proposing different hours (franchise operation linked to online online/cable tv porn channel).
Mocky: franchise, wtf lol
BingoBoingo: Mocky: It claims common ownership with the porn channel, but... its online presence is poorly coordinated by even the local standards
Mocky: such branding
BingoBoingo: And the prices are not competitive with the massage houses around Tres Cruces
Mocky: my new slave galley issued me a mac book pro. ugh, i thought i was going to make it to the grave without having to mac
BingoBoingo: Well, think of it as them giving you a condom
Mocky: 'thunderbolt' ports only, even for power. every periph unusable without holy water blessed apple dongle
Mocky: took me a full minute to find the power button, turning it over and every which way.
BingoBoingo: Thankfully it minimizes the temptation to use it for anything else.
Mocky: at least there's an actual terminal unlike windows
BingoBoingo remembers first torx screwdriver fondly. Acquired at RadioShack in 1999 to open "Mac Classic"
mircea_popescu: o check it out, it's a mocky
Mocky: my first torx was to pull a ford brake pad
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Plenty of people have run into the terminal not actually being a terminal.
mircea_popescu: how's teh new job yo ?
Mocky: it's so social compared to working alone at home
mircea_popescu: haha. lotta hotties packed in a cube farm ?
Mocky: BingoBoingo: how so, bash still bash
Mocky: mircea_popescu: buncha cute chix there yea, lucky for them they now get a man to admire
mircea_popescu: i knew a guy took a pay cut to go tech support a call center.
mircea_popescu: his escort bills went down to ~0, which more than compensated
BingoBoingo: Mocky: The things it plugs into tend not to work the way expected on other systems. phf and pete_duskenski both ran into this iirc
mircea_popescu: seemed like he's on to something for a season. then his drama account blew through the roof.
Mocky: mircea_popescu: thought that was where the black chix who can't code go
mircea_popescu: Mocky not usually, call centers generally in orcistan, black girls who can't code only found in "our country".
Mocky: BingoBoingo: ah yes, i remember reading as much in the logs
BingoBoingo: In other news, tonight's second part of the local blackface parade is on despite lightening in the not so distant distance
mircea_popescu: everywhere else, they're like rabbits who can't fly -- nobody seems to notice.
Mocky: so many roles in 'modern development', mostly slotted by chix 'scrum master' 'product owner' 'ux designer' in addition to the traditional hr
BingoBoingo: What about "clean floors"?
mircea_popescu: basically euphemism threadmill for "social worker" aka "active fat black old woman on govt dole".
mircea_popescu: don't call the cripples handicapped anymore, and btw mammie is nao "scrum master", "helps outsiders identify which interactions with the scrum team are helpful and which aren't".
mircea_popescu: the "bitch, did anyone ask yo dum'ass anything ?" fundamental question still unanswered. and unanswered shall it stay, for as long as "participation" is "a value" etc.
BingoBoingo: So, new political commercial popped up during the Parade Break. In song form "Los atracadores, se van, se van" Ended with a time and date for a rally in Colonia.
BingoBoingo: About as relevant as a national campaign rally in Idaho would be if the US didn't have the electoral college.
BingoBoingo: Was a bigger shock than seeing a local naval infantry convoy consisting of a pickup truck and two motocicletas
Mocky: lol
BingoBoingo: The "Infanteria Naval" truck was a new sight outside of being stuck in traffic on Avenida General Riviera. Usually here we get the "Prefectura Naval"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893916 << i ended up clicking bb's linkbait, there's this funkenstain dood which sounds familiar.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 22:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: holy mother of fuck is that d00d's www a snoar nowadays
mircea_popescu: da fuck was he ? can't attach to anything.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893915 << he was, yes.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 22:50 asciilifeform: i didnt see much worth buying in BingoBoingostan.. or was mircea_popescu speaking of his locale
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He hung around and explicitly embraced socialism around the time of the BitBet death
mircea_popescu: so basically, talk-radio host only ?
BingoBoingo: Made an alt-coin "Wood Coin" chopped rather than mined. I confuse him in my head with Framedragger
BingoBoingo: I dunno if he even has the voice for radio.
BingoBoingo: Couple loud months, forgotten
BingoBoingo: or loud weeks
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh that's what he was, larping about something or the other, i ended up making money on an investment in it.
mircea_popescu: i recall now.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893943 << isn't it high time you took a hint, got a proper warehouse, with a two-truck wide dock and errything ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 23:35 asciilifeform: 'where sir is loading dock' 'no dock, put on asphalt'
Mocky: in other news, I got my first ru spam blog comment разработка сайтов
BingoBoingo: Mocky: That's about 27% of Qntra spam as measured by eyeballs
BingoBoingo: Another 15% is spam advertising kokaine
BingoBoingo: Spam has changed
BingoBoingo: Or at least its tongue has
BingoBoingo: In other news, driving rain stopped the blackface parade which will be rescheduled because a 6,000,000 peso prize pool is on the line
mircea_popescu ended up writing a novel for mocky's comment sectyion
trinque: Mocky: man aside this caring spectrum construction, how do you approach the "staff hooker at trafficked locale" likelihood of being a viral sink multiplied by the success of the hotel in question?
trinque: I am almost never in the market for the advertised wares.
Mocky: trinque: I approach it by engaging them in conversation only
trinque: heh, the airgapped solution never fails!
BingoBoingo: trinque: Condoms work, the thinner the less likely to tear in honest vagina
mircea_popescu: Mocky in modernation.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/two-theoretical-alternatives/#comment-118509 << in old lulz.
mircea_popescu: and jesus fuck my ro to english translations are terribad.
BingoBoingo: Well, 3 years later
BingoBoingo: And poor girls failing to leverage their natural rarity
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894007 << far out of budget, may as well be uboat
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 01:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893943 << isn't it high time you took a hint, got a proper warehouse, with a two-truck wide dock and errything ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I recall at some time before the Uruguay adventure suggesting southern illinois as a lower cost basis sticks
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1893996 << d00d ripped off trb, and even wrote a piece of yarn to go with it where 'he stole great jewel from dumb orcs'. today hangs with kako. seems to have sinological / eastern 'learnings' wank - leanings.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 01:42 mircea_popescu: da fuck was he ? can't attach to anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550604 ( seems to be defunkt nao tho )
a111: Logged on 2016-09-29 22:36 asciilifeform: http://woodcoin.xyz/woodcoin/today << lelz, apparently funkenstein made his own chan, a while ago, complete with logs, bots, etc.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894020 << wonder if anyone sells condom where 2 layers of rubber, and between'em -- capsaicin.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 02:53 BingoBoingo: trinque: Condoms work, the thinner the less likely to tear in honest vagina
asciilifeform: 'alarm bell'
trinque: ahahaha
trinque: product!
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: Latex is abrasive to latex
asciilifeform: so suspend the payload in something that aint
BingoBoingo: the two latex layers will inevitably touch
asciilifeform: this strictly to go into ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892784 recurring-thread.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:57 asciilifeform: gotta indicate to owner when a piece of iron has realized that it is going south.
BingoBoingo: Capsaicin is an awfully loud alarm bell topically applied in meaningful concentrations
asciilifeform: novocain would work just as well for the job
asciilifeform: 'halon system' for cock.
BingoBoingo: What's numbing going to do to someone in the groove?
asciilifeform: if hole then stop.
asciilifeform: swap the thing, resume..
BingoBoingo: Either you have a numbing agent that isn't a vasoconstrictor and then what's an odd sensation on top of bliss or you have strong vasoconstrictor and "HOLY SHIT DICK IS SHRINKING" which adds possible complications due to fucking with circulation. could end up with priaprism clotting
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1893960 << requisition 'vmware', throw e.g. cuntoo inside, can pretend it's an actual comp
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 01:18 Mocky: my new slave galley issued me a mac book pro. ugh, i thought i was going to make it to the grave without having to mac
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: think of it as the mercaptan that gets added to naturalgas. it aint meant to enhance the smelling experience, quite opposite.
BingoBoingo: Mercaptan doesn't generally risk losing chunks of lung tissue. Effective local anesthetics/vasoconstrictors do risk killing meat if applied in uncontrolled manners.
asciilifeform: capsaicin then, lol.
BingoBoingo: Capsaicin in that respect is the less destructive alarm bell until encountered live.
BingoBoingo: In undergrad when Bush 2 was President my roommates and myself experimented with all sorts of "not torture" USG tech
BingoBoingo: Waterboarding generally induced more acute feelings of mortality, but OC... that left lingering resentments
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i recall, when 1st saw mention of 'waterboarding', didn't grasp what the item behind the limba de lemn was, thought 'ah, like snowboarding, but on water, that thing they do where board rides on wave' , initially was confused
BingoBoingo: Permeable wet rag applied over airholes, stream of water applied to rag
asciilifeform: well yes, 'the extraordinary question'(tm)(r)
trinque: ah I've chopped peppers then got dick out. isn't so bad
trinque: it'll wake you right up!
asciilifeform: ( conan doyle's 'the leather funnel' had a picturesque picture of the trad inquisition-style waterboard )
BingoBoingo: The explanation of the board becomes obvious when applying to subjects in bathtub. Gotta restrain the limbs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: same func as of the 'bascule' in guillotine, aha
BingoBoingo: trinque: I've chopped peppers as well. The difference is concentration. Goes back to the cannabis threads.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, flailing is a reflex rather than conscious activity
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the trad sovok variant of this item is 'let's play elephant'. where with gas mask.
asciilifeform: dry waterboard, if you will.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All I can say is I haven't spoken with 6 of 8 in a decade, 7 of 8 in 3 years
trinque: BingoBoingo: did I read this correctly in re: experimenting with torturing each other?
trinque: what, early 20s drug habit didn't cut it for y'all?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Midwestern liberal arts college band of brothers failed effort arising from a lack of culture
BingoBoingo: The only drugs we needed were a lot of booze an a bit of weed, when available.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno if you realise this, but condom is quite permeable.
mircea_popescu: not for large things like sperms, but vaporub certainly crosses.
asciilifeform: yea the latex type would be, wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: also, condom very vulnerable, wanna see a show put one on then sprinkle lime juice on it.
asciilifeform remembers the http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-13#378362 thrd.
a111: Logged on 2013-11-13 14:20 asciilifeform: we had a beautifully-educational incident with DMSO
BingoBoingo: Fuck, DMSO carries everything
BingoBoingo: Up to bowling ball
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no, but he's right, latex is porous .
trinque: BingoBoingo: isn't as though I don't appreciate the "subject me to something why don't you!!!" urge. was discussing this earlier in the shop.
mircea_popescu: seems the more natural and arguably healther way that college experience goes would be (c)a(r)nal knowledge.
BingoBoingo: trinque: No diminuative interpretation implied in the reading of your question.
BingoBoingo: Cattle prod is the gentlest introduction to "less lethal"
BingoBoingo: Followed by "tazer"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: couldn't find ye olde trad army field telephone ?
BingoBoingo: Chicom "Picanas" though are up there with OC
trinque: "piss on the fence" jimmy
asciilifeform: wai straight to cattleprod.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cattle prod is very localized stimulus
asciilifeform: so is field phone
BingoBoingo: I haven't licked a working field phone
trinque: in my young idiot tribe it was more an endurance game of substance abuse and seeing who was left standing at the end.
BingoBoingo: trinque: We did plenty of that too
BingoBoingo: But liberal arts college 2004-2008 we all knew Obola was bringing African Medicine and what is Pantsuit inca?
trinque: this was midwest somewheres?
BingoBoingo clearly remembers in 2004 being told "Hillary's turn next"
BingoBoingo: trinque: McKendree College, Lebanon Illinois 62254
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc recently they trotted out a new pantsuit cow whose 'turn next', but the name escapes me
trinque: the flailing and 300 liberal messiahs indicates they've got nothing left.
BingoBoingo: The Upper Classman apartements trinque were bordered by dairy cows grazing. Went to see week before taking off. Cows still there.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Kamala Harris. Opposed by AOC, a sort of short mestizo Pol Pot aspergant.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at umd they had ~1~ cow. with a sort of hatch installed in it, for didactic purposes. and when it keels over they make a new one.
trinque: BingoBoingo: it's not different from my evening; chugged a few beers with ben_vulpes and the junior gent. "throw me at anything boss!", and we still make these in TX apparently.
BingoBoingo: trinque: They had a chance until they refused me for the referance librarian position 2012-2017 advertised annually as 'entry level'
trinque: and what I've got for him isn't death, but "maybe we get a shot after enough webshits"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Working dairy. Multiple cows, one young black woman injured by escaped calf.
BingoBoingo: trinque: From what I see in Texas you at least had targets.
BingoBoingo: My cohort broke to humanities out of relativism, God still sorting out the casualties
mircea_popescu: this is possibly the shittiest college anyone yet named.
BingoBoingo: It gets shittier. I only read Lardner this past weekend. None of my three "academic advisers" read lardner.
BingoBoingo: I asked!
BingoBoingo: Still, more grounded than SIU Department of Philosophy which followed my doubling down.
trinque: somehow the recreational pain to humanities to jesus bridge makes perfect sense.
trinque: at any rate texas doesn't have much these days. you encounter these ones you can throw at anything at 100 ppm tops
BingoBoingo: As mentioned in the logs SIU Philosophy department has been more than gutted by their naive standards, more cuts to come.
BingoBoingo: McKendree went on a Bond Binge 2 years after I left, still binging. i suspect the landing will suck.
BingoBoingo: Mizzou surrendered any pretense it has to Univeristy in the name of sportsball, let accredidation in what I went there to degree in lapse, but...
BingoBoingo: Fucking chair of cards.
trinque: BingoBoingo: how are you finding uy these days
mircea_popescu: from on the ground reports, ~all us undergrad programmes mostly consist of junior data entry jobs these days.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Tranquilo. Imports are the biggest friction point, but even those are smooth.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They don't unless standards for Junior Data Entry fell off of a cliff.
mircea_popescu: it's basically "look around on the net and paste in this box"
mircea_popescu: exams practically http://gothtypes.wikia.com/wiki/Emo_Goth one and all.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry. TEXTBOOKS practically http://gothtypes.wikia.com/wiki/Emo_Goth one and all. exams -- https://www.gotoquiz.com/scemo_emo_goth_or_just_a_poser
BingoBoingo: My alma mater still let professors enforce pages and wordcount so gotta paste more.
mircea_popescu: replace "goth" with "engineer" or w/e, "poser" with "career woman", http://trilema.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/ has the details./
BingoBoingo: The highest standards I encountered were at SIU, but what they wanted was the most retarded. Mizzou was in the middle as far as being in the middle of retardedness of desired spew and volume. McK was at the bottom for lack of discernable standards.
trinque: damn, I score 90% goth
BingoBoingo: fucking center for DEWEY studies (now defunct)
trinque updates resume
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mircea_popescu: trinque so does hanbot
BingoBoingo: Fuck is there a result other than 90% goth!
mircea_popescu: keks.
BingoBoingo: What does Bimbo score
nicoleci: 81% scene! suckk it goths
BingoBoingo: I blame Shitcago
BingoBoingo: All three syllables say cagada
nicoleci: lol no way! we should all blame indiana, for everything always
BingoBoingo: I dunno how Spanish works in Costa Rica beyong everyone pretending to be Usted.
BingoBoingo: But here cool means being de mierda, de demonio, de ...
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: The only place in Indiana that matters is New Harmony
nicoleci: whats so great about new harmony? a few extra farms? tractor exhibit? 2 kfc buffets?!
BingoBoingo: German pesant movements were buried there with Paul Tillich
BingoBoingo farted for emphasis
nicoleci: lol - ahh, im sorry for him thats where he ended up, would have been better in iowa
BingoBoingo: No, Iowa got the pretentious faggot workshop
nicoleci: lmao, what did iowa ever do besides being a better indiana?
BingoBoingo: Indiana gets thoeretical Utopian peasants, Illinois gets applied Utopian peasants, Iowa gets East Coast faggots on adventure
BingoBoingo: Iowa is a worse Indiana
nicoleci: lmao, BingoBoingo with the most accurate review of the midwest
BingoBoingo: I lived it before moving to a place even more rural
mircea_popescu: ahahaha check out the scenester
BingoBoingo: My hometown to this day exports transformers and high voltage switches though from one as opposed to three firms it once did
nicoleci: BingoBoingo, what did you do for fun there?
nicoleci: sounds pretty terrible
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: In younger times go to even smaller Alhambra, blow up ford escorts with the "toast club"
BingoBoingo: In older times go to AA meetings, Reunion with kids younger than "toast club"
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, the only scene i have is the one without water because the locals, turn it off at 9pm every night
nicoleci: BingoBoingo, what are ford escorts?!
BingoBoingo: Ok, I wonder why the locals here don't take the water quality remedy back home and use solar power to stir and oxygenate the water near the beach to prevent fishkills

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