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billymg: mircea_popescu: not at all, i was amused myself when i put myself in your shoes and read my messages as "how does the what go into the who now?"
billymg: << and yes, one of the many MANY reasons i want to be here. this very thing, constantly, at work and everywhere else, takes its toll on your sanity
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 03:57 mircea_popescu: (somehow the femtards never seem to figure the fucking obvious, "agreeing to be nice" can only possibly result in folger's friendship and no genuine anything to be had anywhere.... god i fucking hate 'em.)
Mocky: I don't see how it's any different from e.g."who+might+you+be"
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 17:25 mircea_popescu: this notion of "be anyone" etc is entirely fabricated, out of the venom of mother inca and the overactive brains of idle smart boys. nobody agrees with it, nothing agrees with it in practice, it never is nor ever was nor ever could be found in nature... it's like you thinking santa claus is real.
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?!
Mocky: you meet someone new and don't know who they are, they could be anything
mircea_popescu: but who and what aren't the same thing, to begin with.
mircea_popescu: and no, they couldn't be "anything". i'm not asking fucking naively, "please supply a string for my exec()". i'm asking to see whether they're fucking demented or not.
mircea_popescu: because gee whiz, "i am not prepared to answer this question" is strictly speaking dementia, a seven year old is expected to be ahead of that, which is why that's when they start formal schooling.
diana_coman: -> there being a few more points there though since "and" requires fixed and same sizes of the two operands while now they are loosely "Integers" ; and sure, I can cast them to some fixed size type but then I make the whole package depend on Interfaces
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 23:18 mircea_popescu: diana_coman << he;'s got a solid point there.
diana_coman: not at all sure it's worth all that just for preserving the no implicit conditionals restriction (which as asciilifeform pointed out already, is not evil per se ))
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 17:54 asciilifeform: implicit conditionals aint evil per se , tho ; i banned them in ffa specifically as they get in the way of constanttimeism, is all
diana_coman: if we aimed indeed for constant time, then sure, definitely worth the change but that's not the case
diana_coman: alternatively I suppose I could just declare own limited types and work with that but I still don't think it's worth doing at this point
shinohai: Good mornng #trilema, how goes today?
asciilifeform: morning shinohai
asciilifeform: diana_coman: unlike, e.g., haskellists, we only do things if they make sense : as you pointed out, 'bit-vectorized' keccak aint constant time, no matter what, so no particular reason to bother with the massage
shinohai: Heya asciilifeform ... built trb w/ your aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch so tests/observations in progress
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that's my current position, yes;
diana_coman: morning shinohai , what are you doing nowadays?
shinohai: Hi diana_coman nice to see you! I'm back from summer of convalescence, not doing anything in particular yet these days.
shinohai: Reclaiming BTC from shitcoins, etc.
asciilifeform: hey that's a godly work
asciilifeform: ( there's prolly enuff of them that one could even squeeze a meager living from it ! like e.g. rat catchers in 18th c london )
shinohai: Well it hasn't yielded income equal to other pursuits, I just find it amusing (from bouncing about alt-irc shitcoin groups) that so many of these guys really think they are competitor to actual Bitcoin.
shinohai: (Latest is "42coin, priced at roughly 4 BTC each - includes malleable addresses as an "anonymity feature")
diana_coman: I guess I can see asciilifeform's "rat catchers" viewpoint - it basically requires very unsanitary environment
shinohai: Thank God trb is the bleach used to clean up at the end of the day.
diana_coman: I must say that I can't even find it funny anymore: I even received here a flyer with something ~"Oxford women in computer science: Oxford's next Bitcoin Blockchain" and I found it... inane, nothing else
shinohai: What can I say, I've always enjoyed lulzing at shitcoiners, kinda miss doing it on Qntra even. Though yes, it does seem inane and repetitive at times.
deedbot: << Loper OS - The Serpent Ciphers Key Schedule Transform is Injective.
asciilifeform: ^ diana_coman , mircea_popescu -- conclusion of series.
asciilifeform bbl,tea
diana_coman: o.O so it's actually fine re key schedule after all? /me goes to read
diana_coman: it is at any rate a very nice example to follow re investigating something of this sort; thank you asciilifeform !
BingoBoingo: And people say math can't be any fun for the spectators
asciilifeform: diana_coman: yw
asciilifeform: hopefully nobody's disappointed.
asciilifeform: ( we're roughly where we were 1wk ago, if with a coupla new grey hairs )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i would not use phrase 'very fine' but it ~isn't~ elementarily botched, is all. there's 2^256 outs, 1 per in.
asciilifeform: lemme know if the proof makes sense, once you get to it.
asciilifeform: and if anyone can think of a shorter one that still 'fits in head', plox to post, and i'ma link to it.
mircea_popescu: heh. so in the end... <<->> TEACUP THUNDERSTORM!!!
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 18:09 mircea_popescu: it does ~seem~ to be weaker than my own intel indicates, but fuck that spot.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 14:27 deedbot: << Loper OS - The Serpent Ciphers Key Schedule Transform is Injective.
asciilifeform: lol hey at least nao mircea_popescu knows that i feed'em to him as i get'em, instead of sitting on'em
asciilifeform: ( and it is prolly possible to fit the 'storm' into a yet-smaller 'teacup', even )
mircea_popescu: stormpackers.
asciilifeform: it's what i originally expected to find.
asciilifeform: q's/nitpicks re the proof, welcome
mircea_popescu: oh ?! it is ?!
asciilifeform: at the point, strictly
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 05:07 asciilifeform: relatedly, asciilifeform tried to bake a proof that the lamehash keyinflater function of serpent is one-to-one ( i.e. actually carries 256bit of the key register's entropy into the 528 bytes of whiteolade ) and not only didnt , but realized that afaik no such proof exists for any 'troo' hash also ( incl keccak.. )
asciilifeform: then, went to step on erry possible nail in erry plank, lol
mod6: ouchy
asciilifeform: mod6: recall when i went on similarly fruitless expedition into kock.gpg guts, heh
mod6: smarts
asciilifeform: hey, if never dig, never find.
asciilifeform: scheduler would've been a lulzy place to hide the boojum.
mod6: werd. totally agree for the search for the truth.
mircea_popescu: i like how these articles of yours end up in the pulp fiction tradition quentin tarantino so much loved. "the end ... (for now...)" etc.
mircea_popescu: pretty stylish.
asciilifeform: the proggy can be used in fyootoor to similarly examine whatever recurrent function.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i just meant what he says stands ; i'm not married to the directive.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other lulzfarm, "LordMPofTMSR Not even kidding. SrirachaSkittles Drop whatever what is? Do you just ignore people’s profiles? LordMPofTMSR Yup."
mircea_popescu: womenz and their insane if hilarious and apparently ubiquitous belyf in wordmagic.
mod6: Sriracha + Skittles = ish.
mircea_popescu: who the everloving fuck reads "profiles" ? same people who exec user strings i suppose ?
trinque: she's like, spicy and sweet, you see, but also cheap.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once saw a vintage door sign, 'this is a cobbler shop, there are no prostitutes at this address, thank you'
mod6: >D
mircea_popescu: trinque and part of a large collection of indistinct-but-distinguishable sameitems.
trinque: yeah, just spun up my bimbo-emu neural net for a sec
mircea_popescu: this, the definitive femwank, indistinct-but-distinguishable. hence "romantic" (romanticism is in all times and places the shorthand name for the mainstream wank) notions of identification-past-identity, and "true love" and all that.
mircea_popescu: because she specifically wants both ends of the dilemma. she WANTS to be indistinct, and she WANTS to be distinguished in spite of it.
asciilifeform: 'i will not be common!'(tm)(r)(some film quoted in mircea_popescu's www)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i were a prankster i'd ring the bell to ask how his wife's doing and when did she pass.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
asciilifeform: when i saw it, i was immediately convinced that it must've hung on an actual bordello, as cheap camouflage
mircea_popescu: keks
mircea_popescu: incidentally, to continue the above : the whole "no means no" wank is cheap proxy for "i am woman, and for years I have focused and prepared for words to do things, and I will not be derailed. I will not be embarrassed, and I will not be denied! So tomorrow, words will do things, come hell or high fucking water!"
asciilifeform: hey it's how the end up 'hare'ing krishna an' such. 'words do things'
asciilifeform: *they
mircea_popescu: and if you deny it, the response comes ~as if~ you had denied everything-about-the-idiot, because, to them, you literally have. if wordmagic dun exist, if her words have exactly 0 power to anything, if she could just as well cup her palms, word in her left and piss in her right, then... then... then WHAT WAS IT ALL FOR ?!?!?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re proof at first pass it looks sound to me; my only current niggle with it (to be addressed at 2nd pass) is if there are any bits of the key interchangeable perhaps (though it doesn't seem likely, I can't yet tell for sure)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: they aint; recall that the square-bracketed items on right hand side are constants
asciilifeform: ( if you change one, you ipso facto have a new output )
mircea_popescu: it's that but for a different sort of socialism : rooslveltist socialism, the femvariant.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 00:42 mircea_popescu: o shit there it is, navrozov moment!
asciilifeform: sorta whole result.
asciilifeform: and yes it took asciilifeform coupla passes for it to click.
diana_coman will do a 2nd pass of it a bit later today
asciilifeform: ( took the printout to bed )
mircea_popescu: << speaking of, hey Mocky what ever came of the camelridin' bitcointraders ?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 13:42 diana_coman: I must say that I can't even find it funny anymore: I even received here a flyer with something ~"Oxford women in computer science: Oxford's next Bitcoin Blockchain" and I found it... inane, nothing else
diana_coman: in other lol: I guess I can claim that I got here the youngest log reader - the child reads a tid-bit of it ~every time he comes by for anything, even though he struggles on some words ("etc?"); makes for a very good example: yes, you CAN read but you still have a pile of stuff to figure out before it makes any sense
mircea_popescu: << amusingly enough i was complaining a few days ago (to a disbelieving audience) that my white beard patch is fading out.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 15:39 asciilifeform: ( we're roughly where we were 1wk ago, if with a coupla new grey hairs )
mircea_popescu: maybe i had just not had enough excitment in my lyf!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you should see nicole keks. has a notebook with things to ask me "when it's a good time".
asciilifeform: ha maybe it was the '16 beard patch
mod6: Hello, young log reader. Listen to your mom, she knows what she's talking about.
mircea_popescu: a bit!
BingoBoingo: Actual Security Update: November 26th through December 3rd, there will likely be about 400 USG tending to assorted support aircraft in Carrasco for the G20 summit across the river in Buenos Aires.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: vs how many on typical day ?
Mocky: mircea_popescu, there's a "gulf blockchain foundation" meet up in three days I'm going to. two speaks giving talks then mingle time: "Governance: DAOs and traditional governance" and "Proof of scam: Drawing the line between the good and the bad"
Mocky: this seems to be the only group that actually does anything
asciilifeform: lol!!
asciilifeform: eternal 2016 there, or wat
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On a typical day they tend to stay in their compound in Barrio Sur (el barrio afrodescendiente)
Mocky: in terms of actual traders, the guy actually trading on localbitcoins pulled his ad. So I posted my own ad up. It's been up for some time now, more than a week i think. no locals contacted me yet
Mocky: but serveral dudes from luxembuourg want's to buy bitcoin from me
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo:
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ack
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho notbad practice at other times also.
mircea_popescu: Mocky i thought you were specifically going to sell btc to one, buy from the other or somesuch
mircea_popescu: << this convo
a111: Logged on 2018-10-22 18:26 mircea_popescu: ah don't be silly, use the dime.
Mocky: yeah! he disappeared
mircea_popescu: oh. kek
Mocky: i can still buy btc from the one guy, presumably. but the other guy pulled his ad before I got the coin into my account there
Mocky: hasn't been up since
mircea_popescu: i c
mircea_popescu: i'd expect the "sell btc" guy in the vein, not really worth it.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-20 18:52 Mocky: i get the impression from other talks (not today) that there is no end of "i have great biz idea for importing from my home country india" being pitched
Mocky: he still has the same number of trades (12) as when i first spied him in sept.
mircea_popescu: Mocky iirc luxemburg is where the actuial site owner lives. ie, moar of the same "silk road major drug dealer, dork in charge has to buy the lb of coke on his own cuz site is such major"
Mocky: i trolled him, he seemed pissed :)
mircea_popescu: who lol
Mocky: the dude who messaged me from luxemburg wanting to buy coin
mircea_popescu: a a
mircea_popescu: Mocky so are you gonna tell the "Daos" dorks how lulzy they are, what a republic is, and how it's been wearing them for dick ornaments this entire time ?
mircea_popescu: that way we could end up with a bunch of gay-for-convenience indian dudes in skinny jeans tryna import their handicrafts into here, too!
Mocky: hell yeah
mircea_popescu: go pro! livestream! etc!!!
mircea_popescu: srsly tho, get the photog hussy to film you during, livestream it... tom green's suddenly got nothing on you.
Mocky: she's not speaking to me anymore. i've got a few days to get one of these other chicks to do it tho
mircea_popescu: o no ? what happened ?
Mocky: she was 'too busy' after meeting me once
mircea_popescu: aww, i was hoping for something juicy.
mircea_popescu: what was the problem, she expected a tip you didn't provide, as far as you know ?
BingoBoingo: I suspect combination of advanced age dementia leading to a misperception of local cock availability
Mocky: no idea, but given the excess mass, i don't think any cock is on the table
mircea_popescu: oh, white chicks get fat in qatar too ?!
BingoBoingo: Ah, she knows she's in the Nigerian's league
Mocky: filipinas have like 50% obesity rate here in my estimation
mircea_popescu: insanity.
Mocky: the 75/25 male female ratio is actually a lot worse than that, given how locked down a lot of the domestic female workers are
Mocky: not allowed to leave house but one day a week, even then with cerfew
Mocky: and then the whores, oh my god, imma have to do a post on that
Mocky: what would be considered a normal rate for an hour with a whore? i don't know anything about how things are elsewhere
mircea_popescu: definitely do a post on that.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, blowjob in the bushes is traditionally deemed 20 bucks, though it varies, in rural areas with old whores it's a ciggarette or w/e.
mircea_popescu: motel whores are usually 50 to 100.
Mocky: the fun thing is, like any salesman they *have* to talk to you and answer your questions if they think you'll buy
mircea_popescu: dreamy-eyed "students" are, today as in the time of francois villon, whatever you can spare.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about "have"
Mocky: well i don't know but they don't tell me to fuck off, no matter how much i ask them but never agree to pay
mircea_popescu: kek
mircea_popescu: so how much are thye ?
Mocky: 20 something attractive white euros 500 / hr and wont negotiate down
mircea_popescu: rials ?
Mocky: everyone else starts at 425 / hr, but will jump at much less
Mocky: no that's converted to USD, 2000 QR / hr
asciilifeform: seems like 'price for rube', but then again i am not subjexpert
mircea_popescu: keks. well, one doesn't traditionally buy whores by getting fixated on a particular one.
mircea_popescu: if you like her that much, pay her,w hy not.
Mocky: the price for rich oil duded swimming in the worlds densest sausage party
mircea_popescu: will come out wayu the fuck cheaper than marriage, that's for damn sure.
Mocky: *dudes*
mircea_popescu: do they have pimps btw ? or is it a case of bureaucracy pimping the girls
Mocky: the hotels do. hotels need a way to distance themselves from the occasionaly law enforcement, scapegoat
Mocky: its either hotels, bars or online, bars an online are freelancers
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: pimpin's a dying art, is it.
Mocky: one hotel has chineese only hookers, which... who wants this lol. but someone must be buying
asciilifeform: Mocky: lol, is theirs sideways or wat
Mocky: heh heh
mircea_popescu: no, just attached to annoying ungoodlooking rest.
asciilifeform: then would expect would be cheaper ( supposing errybody concurs )
mircea_popescu: in an ideal world of perfect women. but no, irl it won't be.
mircea_popescu: just shittier service because less custom.
asciilifeform: new york plumbers!11
diana_coman: -> heh, I can quite easily picture it, yes; fwiw though I think there IS some clear improvement in her summaries
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 16:31 mircea_popescu: diana_coman you should see nicole keks. has a notebook with things to ask me "when it's a good time".
diana_coman: basically they tend to sound less like "automated result of syntactical analysis " and a bit more like some sort of summary: this and this and that were apparently the topics
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in other news : wire processor informs me that they've a HUGE backlog of usd-to-ourside-reich transfers, and they're barely trickling out.
mircea_popescu: it would seem the moloch is experiencing the early phase of a liquidity crunch.
mircea_popescu: they say it may take as much as FIVE WEEKS to get you your dough. now -- you wanna wait ? you wanna explore maybe euros ? you wanna call it off ?
mircea_popescu: i don't expect this is optional, ~everyone~ has the exact same problem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you were moving it from in usa ?
asciilifeform: (1st time i hear of such a thing)
asciilifeform: of the '5 weeks' , i mean
asciilifeform: max i've observed so far is 4day
mircea_popescu: when's last you did it ?
asciilifeform: june i think
mircea_popescu: yes well, this'd be past few weeks.
asciilifeform: nuts
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, will be familiar to 1980s1990s east euro folk ; and yes i expect that experience's exactly the guide, ie, will get more frequent, ampler and longer lasted as time goes by.
asciilifeform: possibly could pump some life into btc<->orc traders, neh
asciilifeform: ( it still aint clear to me why 'otc' is such parched desert )
mircea_popescu: because
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if worst comes to worst, next time someone does a supply run they fly copa like sane people, and ima have someone meet them in panama with brown paper bag.
mircea_popescu: like the good old days.
asciilifeform: copa a+++
asciilifeform: and iirc BingoBoingo has bank , can transmute paper bag into what dc eats.
mircea_popescu: srsly tho, i'd like to see the euro side.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the spam lint traps,
asciilifeform: ( maths d00d, of a sort. why spams? i do not know )
mircea_popescu: cuz "bought consulting" from indians./
asciilifeform: gottabe
mircea_popescu: left him a comment, why not.
asciilifeform: erry so often, i see spamola that cannot be explained any other way (e.g. for some vacuum-moulding shop in milwaukee etc )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathendom lulz, 'Buffett Loses Nearly $4 Billion as Apple Stock Tanks'
asciilifeform: '"I do not focus on the sales in the next quarter or the next year," he said in August. "I focus on the ... hundreds, hundreds, hundreds millions of people who practically live their lives by it [iPhone]." He also called the iPhone "enormously underpriced," saying that it's worth far more than the $1,000 Apple charges for its latest models.'
mircea_popescu: top kek.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, dude "didn't understand technology", bought wrigley. is the idea apple phone spits out wrigley spearmint flavour ?
mircea_popescu: or is the idea dude's as hollow as a bagpipe.
asciilifeform: bagpipe
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for extra lulz, they released yet another $1-2k 'no headphone port, and here buy new power cord' box the other day
mircea_popescu: im sure.
asciilifeform: might have some connection with the lul
asciilifeform: 'ipad pro'
mircea_popescu: where's buffett's code of cunduct is what i wanna know.
asciilifeform: ( they even got various trad desktop shitware ported to it, e.g. photoshop, positioning as 'you dun need computer no moar' )
mircea_popescu: isn't this what they've been doing since the 80s ?
mircea_popescu: "here, have a shitbox. you don't need real computer anyway"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: indeed. the other day was entry of i-nintendo into 'pro' market, as i understand. new turn of frog boiler knob.
asciilifeform: ( current crapple doctrine, is that the mac is too much like an actual comp, too easily massaged into at least installing non-crappla apps )
diana_coman: or possibly the idea is that apple phones are indeed extremely similar to chewing gum
asciilifeform: so it is being phased out
asciilifeform: diana_coman: moar like plasti-car, quasi-mandatory 'installment plan' chump-artifact
diana_coman: imagine the chewing-phone! and lasting about one day max, perfect
asciilifeform: diana_coman: laugh, but it's nearly come; most of the users already have the 'subscription', they break'em regularly and get mailed new
mircea_popescu: seems to me like the empire-of-can't-pay-outside-obligations is moving into a soviet outfit. got plasticar, plastiphone, plastifastfood and on your way.
asciilifeform: ( i fughet how often they can break and get 'at no cost!111' new )
mircea_popescu: the time to get out was, evidently, back when this was first discussed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's actually a return to 'vhs era' barbarism, prior to at&t breakup they also leased pnoje , could not buy )
mircea_popescu: but asciilifeform "couldn't", then. and i guess we're going to terribly regret not sending in fucking helicopters to extract him from the concentration camp he ended up into through stubbornly refusing to fucking leave on his own two feet for a decade.
asciilifeform: [ insert the mandatory ' if asciilifeform knew useful trades ' thread here ]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and iirc BingoBoingo has bank , can transmute paper bag into what dc eats. << Definitely can be done
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they say it may take as much as FIVE WEEKS to get you your dough. now -- you wanna wait ? you wanna explore maybe euros ? you wanna call it off ? << I'll think about it a bit more. I'll double check the math, but if the transfer is 5 weeks out that still leaves us a margin of safety from the month of guarentee put up when service started.
asciilifeform: ohai BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Buenas tardes asciilifeform
mod6: I'd say just let his 9.5k ride, we'll get it eventually. meanwhile, I think we need another 2k. maybe jurov wants to put up an auction?
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathen lulz, 'gmail' ( now 'upgraded' ) nao takes longer to load than winblowz email client asciilifeform used in mid-1990s did
asciilifeform: ( on 30x faster comp, no less )
asciilifeform still occasionally uses email, does not have a stable of meatbots that'd allow him to pretend not to
mircea_popescu: pico!
deedbot: << Qntra - Another Intel CPU Sidechannel Leak Documented With The Leak Dependent Once Again On A Thing Intel Did To Boost Appearance Of Speed
trinque: asciilifeform: I shamelessly use emacs as interface to just about every heathen thing (gmail included) I have to touch
trinque: mu4e is probably the best email interface I've used, can shred an inbox of 100s in a few minutes
trinque: fetchmail for inbound, smtpmail-multi out
BingoBoingo: trinque: I suspect they may have killed imap/pop3 login to fetch mail
asciilifeform: << y'mean pine
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 22:04 mircea_popescu: pico!
asciilifeform nostalgic aficionado
asciilifeform: but of course it dungo with sslism crapola
asciilifeform: << this is prolly a neato item but (to the possible surprise of some people) asciilifeform doesn't 'live in emacs' in the sense of using it for things that ain't files-on-disk editing
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 23:04 trinque: asciilifeform: I shamelessly use emacs as interface to just about every heathen thing (gmail included) I have to touch
asciilifeform: hm trinque , deedbot down ?
asciilifeform: << x86 process isolation is a perma-joke, been clear for ages
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 22:54 deedbot: << Qntra - Another Intel CPU Sidechannel Leak Documented With The Leak Dependent Once Again On A Thing Intel Did To Boost Appearance Of Speed
trinque: huh, lemme see
trinque: asciilifeform: anyhow yeah, I'm one of the sickos that uses the thing as wm even.
asciilifeform: trinque: i would easily be, but i like 'ratpoison'
asciilifeform: using it since '01 and intend to continue (at least while on 'c machine'..)
asciilifeform: ( or '02 or i dun even recall when )
trinque: no shame in it; approach looks similar when you squint (either collection of elisp whatnots or collection of (ba)sh)
asciilifeform: theoretically i'd rather have 1 pedal instead of 2, but emacs aint stable/uncrashable enuff for me to comfortably move in
asciilifeform: ( slime for instance routinely wedges it on some of my boxes )
trinque: BingoBoingo: pop3 not dead; I use it. just buried in inanity.
trinque: but I come to realize, running one's own postfix or whatever, also inanity.
trinque: beelzebub can own as many stupid things that shouldn't exist as he likes, from where I sit. google wants smtp mail, oh please, have a second helping.
asciilifeform: trinque: i ran own postfix etc for yrs, and the box still alive, but i've found that actual ~delivery~ of mail ~from~ it into heathendom, is a crap shoot naodays
asciilifeform: erry other time, fails silently
trinque: it is, and I think it's a fool that tries to chase them into the "one moar magical DNS value" or misc other will make it work.
asciilifeform: for reliable delivery apparently gotta use their aol^H^Hmicroshi^H^Hgmail etc
asciilifeform: trinque: i spent moar time trying to make it go than i'd care to admit
asciilifeform: 0 useful to show for it
trinque: this has been expanding into a general principle in my life, of the matters that are republican, and the matters that aren't.
trinque: I have as well. I will never touch a fucking smtp server as long as I live.
trinque: *again.
trinque: isn't a republican way to mind your wife either.
mircea_popescu: ah pine, that's right!
asciilifeform: 'pine', 'elm'
asciilifeform: possibly others existed, but i only ever used 'pine'
mircea_popescu: shit was fast.
asciilifeform: was ~perfect in erry way
asciilifeform: i threw out a crt coupla yrs ago, with 'pine' burn-in
asciilifeform: ( yes it displayed pine. all day, erry day... )
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: lots of those.
asciilifeform: ( doubled as a heater, at one time i lived in a flat where they didn't stoke the boiler till december )
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, display-burn is ~coming back~, the 'oled' panels suffer from it
asciilifeform: never thought it would, but here it is.
asciilifeform: ( they're a lower-current / flatter ver. of crt, really )
mod6: <+asciilifeform> 'pine', 'elm' << i liked mutt with vi/gnupg integration
mod6: (mutt being a successor to elm)

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