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asciilifeform: d00d (stephenson) 'got it'. and as i understand it was his 'last hurrah', he went to shit soon after.
asciilifeform: 'anathem' is many things, and one of them is a what-if-naturalphilosophy-had-happened-in-monasteries.
asciilifeform: but it dun really fit in 'sound bite'.
phf: i suspect the spectacular failure of his sword project is what sent him downspiral
asciilifeform: fuqknows
asciilifeform: i swallowed not only 1 but 2 pieces of rubbish from post-anathem stephenson and that was enuff.
asciilifeform: d00d is done.
phf: oh, he wrote something else besides seveneves?
asciilifeform: 'reamde'. but there is rumour that he had 0 to do with the text, let some idjit relative pen it
phf: sounds like a decade update attempt to cryptonomicon
asciilifeform: unrelated, it's an 'airport detective'
asciilifeform: 100% crapolade.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760180 << i'ma confess, i have nfi what is or could be 'elegant c'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 03:02 esthlos: elegant C exists, but the limits of the language the complexity it can handle without exploding into incomprehensibility.
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as maliciously-ugly c. i.e. what koch et al write.
asciilifeform: there is not, however, a meaningful opposite.
asciilifeform: there is a 'non-malicious c', i suppose.
asciilifeform did publish some c, at some point
asciilifeform: i.e. consistently-formatted, using 0 'idiomaticisms' ,
asciilifeform: !#s idiomatic
a111: 36 results for "idiomatic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=idiomatic
asciilifeform: minimal pointerism, indirectism as a whole.
asciilifeform: but it remains -- c.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760183 << you really ought not to touch c unless you can picture in yer head the asm , when reading it; and vice-versa ( for your particular iron )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 03:05 esthlos: even with small C projects I start to panic when I realise I don't know how it works anymore
asciilifeform: this is not a 'brinism' but quite elementary pons asinorum
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760185 << it is unreasonable to ask ~machine~ to enforce intellectual discipline. machine cannot do this, it's an 'ai-complete' problem.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 03:09 phf: but then i can also understand the whole "back in my day" sentiment. common lisp certainly lets you write ~very sloppy~ code and get away with it :>
asciilifeform: only men, can do it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760156 << why not needleman-wunsch instead ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 01:44 esthlos: fwiw I read McIlroy's paper and would be willing to implement it _transparently_, if there's interest
asciilifeform: !#s needleman
a111: 10 results for "needleman", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=needleman
asciilifeform: ^ n-w lets you specify ~precedence of possible differences~
asciilifeform: e.g. 'spaces muchly less important than printables'
phf: oh yeah, you mentioned this before..
asciilifeform: iirc i even posted coad
mircea_popescu: is "coad" code ?
asciilifeform: yea, but think 'with lower case c'
asciilifeform: i.e snippets
asciilifeform: iirc i posted a battlefield-worn one in cl
asciilifeform: with example in, out
phf: no way
phf: i would've remembered
a111: Logged on 2017-01-04 23:57 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/KAkk0/?raw=true
phf: huh!
asciilifeform: it isnt a work of art, but it did work.
phf: ty
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760186 << how do you waste hours on a couple hundred line program
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 03:28 asciilifeform: in other non-news, ben_vulpes yer ircbot thing dun work with znc. for the obvious reason of containing magicstring-expectation liquishit.
trinque: anyhow I wrote it; ben_vulpes added a patch.
asciilifeform: trinque: laugh, but i assumed znc misconfig liquishit
asciilifeform: and chased ~that~
trinque: nickserv is what it is; I didn't invent it
trinque: maybe we're not far from a sane p2p chat implementation
asciilifeform: funny how auth was really an afterthought in irc world
mircea_popescu: and how it's ~useless.
asciilifeform: necessarily !
asciilifeform: afterthoughts dun work so well.
trinque: I admit to having wanted as little irc autism in my head as would make the thing go.
asciilifeform: trinque: orig stimulus for ffa was gossipd's rsa-in-realtime req.
trinque is quite excited at that
asciilifeform: metoo..
mircea_popescu: !!up revnja
deedbot: revnja voiced for 30 minutes.
revnja: thank you kindly
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 04:45 mircea_popescu: diana_coman "in next chapter" < add "the"
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760176 <- ahahah, feels like it at times, yes!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 02:57 phf: that would be a very gruesome science fiction narrative, if that was actually the case. a kind of strugatsky's roadside picnic :>
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759930 <- any comments are welcome, as usual
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 23:26 asciilifeform puts ^item on read-conveyor
mod6: asciilifeform: found ~a~ solution: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ypJpa/?raw=true
mod6: will see if I can clean it up a bit more tomorrow.
mod6: ni ni
shinohai: stupid wapo
shinohai: archived just in case http://archive.is/6NpOj
shinohai: so far seems to be at least equal to the perl sins that only my confessor, mod6 knows of
shinohai: !!up aegis
deedbot: aegis voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: New Years gonna be better?
BingoBoingo: We will have to see
shinohai: And no cardboard houses! Does he read trilema?
BingoBoingo: Well, LATAM is a big place
shinohai: !!rate diana_coman 3 too much hard work to list, EuCrypt has helped me tremendously.
shinohai: !!v 83DBA74607120BBABFCE695D5917F7E27087B08CB5CC7B9D144D4C39D4E64EB3
deedbot: shinohai updated rating of diana_coman from 2 to 3 << too much hard work to list, EuCrypt has helped me tremendously.
diana_coman: cheers shinohai
BingoBoingo: And re: keeping up with chaintips - Quite a few big as ships lined up off short waiting for their turn in port.
BingoBoingo: *big ass ships
shinohai: !!rate BingoBoingo 4 For services rendered to tmsr in LATAM in futherance of true isp and the rich documentation of his travails
BingoBoingo: And it is taking some getting used to going out to the river and not being able to see the other side. And also seeing two way ship traffic with... big ass ships
shinohai: !!v 19EE2D8B89B89D5087635711B3C3239D5C1C4D60D5573565D618CD9F879FF868
deedbot: shinohai updated rating of BingoBoingo from 3 to 4 << For services rendered to tmsr in LATAM in futherance of true isp and the rich documentation of his travails
BingoBoingo: Instead of slow river barges taking away the corn to serve as feedstock for who knows what chemistry
BingoBoingo: And guess who the wops beat in court: "Brothers Vincenzo and Giacomo Barbato named their clothing brand "Steve Jobs" in 2012 after learning that Apple had not trademarked his name. "We did our market research and we noticed that Apple, one of the best known companies in the world, never thought about registering its founder's brand, so we decided to do it," the two told la Repubblica Napoli. The Barbatos designed a logo that resembles
BingoBoingo: Apple's own, choosing the letter "J" with a bite taken out of the side."
BingoBoingo: Also the LISA operating system is supposed to be open sourced soon
shinohai: !!rate danielpbarron 3 #eulora Elder and merchant, operates rare ecu faucet. Bible markup project in #trilema-church
shinohai apologizes for the rate spam
shinohai: !!v 685D0D34746C79BF5BF2D0D508688B60D859C2DE35B954FC351CC4CBD50EC370
deedbot: shinohai updated rating of danielpbarron from 2 to 3 << #eulora Elder and merchant, operates rare ecu faucet. Bible markup project in #trilema-church
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759948 <- do you mean the references and substrata?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 23:37 mircea_popescu is also happy at how diana_coman 's code veers towards literate style. you've seen this phf ?
mircea_popescu: no, i mean the comments.
diana_coman: ah; well, key code that one anyway
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14474.84, vol: 14159.22146288 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14349.0, vol: 52343.1796784 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14647.1, vol: 4080.1562319 | Volume-weighted last average: 14391.4763725
BingoBoingo: In other pirate radio vs SOP lulz: https://archive.is/AWcBV "When the agents inquired about the nature of Sidos’ relationship with Mr. Polynice, they asserted that they had not seen him in two years. When the agents asked about the unlicensed transmitter, the Sidos alternately refused to respond or claimed that no radio transmitter had been operated on their property since the 2012 in rem seizure... As had occurred during the Augus
BingoBoingo: t 2015 site visit, the station had been taken off the air when the agents took further field strength measurements immediately after the Sido interview ended."
BingoBoingo: And the trb node weather from my perch appears to have improved substantially with regards to nodes at the chaintip since this weekend.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760601 << "Releases prior to release 1.0.2 had a bug that could lead to input being ignored and hence wrong message digests being calculated for input with repeated calls to sha3-update (see README file for details). Please upgrade as soon as possible, since this bug can lead to unintended collisions in generated message digests." and of course "The library should be portable across nearly a
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 12:03 shinohai: so far seems to be at least equal to the perl sins that only my confessor, mod6 knows of
mircea_popescu: ll ANSI compliant CL implementations with specialized versions tuned for implementations that offer unboxed 64bit arithmetic, unboxed 32bit arithmetic and for implementations with efficient fixnum arithmetic, i.e. requiring fixnums that can represent (unsigned-byte 16)."
mircea_popescu: from "the people who shouldn't have computer access" gallery.
mircea_popescu: "PMSF IT Consulting is proud to announce its acceptance as a member of ASAM e.V.. As a long time user of ASAM standards, like XCP and A2L, we see the ongoing central role of ASAM as a provider for standards in the embedded domain and beyond, with a special focus on automotive applications."
asciilifeform: in other noose : zoolag still on tip-of-the-spear, working pretty great.
mircea_popescu: in case you were wondering who's putting the bugs in your cars of the future.
mircea_popescu: some cocksucker by the name pierre r. mai
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/jimmy-vestvood-amerikan-hero/ << Trilema - Jimmy Vestvood : Amerikan Hero
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760637 << hilariously, i had previously read the whole thing... on fcc's www. ( they have a public pillory of all citations/fines/complaints/etc )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 14:57 BingoBoingo: In other pirate radio vs SOP lulz: https://archive.is/AWcBV "When the agents inquired about the nature of Sidos’ relationship with Mr. Polynice, they asserted that they had not seen him in two years. When the agents asked about the unlicensed transmitter, the Sidos alternately refused to respond or claimed that no radio transmitter had been operated on their property since the 2012 in rem seizure... As had occurred during the Augus
asciilifeform: apparently arse technica starved for noosefodder
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760640 << would be interesting to see exactly how this 'bug' looked. but currently can't be arsed to unearth the old crud ( where even is it )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 15:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760601 << "Releases prior to release 1.0.2 had a bug that could lead to input being ignored and hence wrong message digests being calculated for input with repeated calls to sha3-update (see README file for details). Please upgrade as soon as possible, since this bug can lead to unintended collisions in generated message digests." and of course "The library should be portable across nearly a
asciilifeform: i did read the current item, imho quite ugly
mircea_popescu: i expect.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> apparently arse technica starved for noosefodder << Aha, notice the throwaway blah blah minoritit afterthought!
mircea_popescu: a converse of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760179 ie lisp written by imbeciles on the level of phil daian.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 02:59 phf: i mean, if you read norvig's python snippets you can clearly see they are written by a very experienced lispers. you literally never see python like that in the wild, but yet there it is.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'fortranistic' lisp
asciilifeform: tho in all fairness the unoptimized 'reference' is at least not immediately nauseating ( https://github.com/pmai/sha3/blob/master/keccak-reference.lisp )
asciilifeform: and, shitgnomery aside even, x86-optimized lispolade is ~always~ nauseating to read
asciilifeform: there is not a pill against this; it is why cmachine Must Die
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760642 << the part that was never clear to me is 'if speed of clean lisp is inadequate, why not write whole thing in asm; if adequate -- why commit this war crime'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 15:30 mircea_popescu: ll ANSI compliant CL implementations with specialized versions tuned for implementations that offer unboxed 64bit arithmetic, unboxed 32bit arithmetic and for implementations with efficient fixnum arithmetic, i.e. requiring fixnums that can represent (unsigned-byte 16)."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nibble was a HALF BYTE! and a byte was REGISTER WIDTH. so no, it wasn't customarily 4, it was customarily half of 8 for as long as registers were 8. nibble today should be 32 bits.
mircea_popescu should put this in the very blog in question but plox take out that damned chicken clucking thing.
asciilifeform: consider the approach in ffa. only critical bottlenecks, that soak up 90+% of cycles and create an impractically-slow rsa op , get massaged ~to the extent necessary~ , and without compromising type safety
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a byte is still 8.
mircea_popescu: not in my ideal world ;/
asciilifeform: this is a persistent confusion , byte vs register , in mircea_popescu's head, and will have to be cured
mircea_popescu: a byte is fucking 64 bits in all compliant machinery.
asciilifeform: lol i'm for 11bit bytes then!1
mircea_popescu: for some machines.
asciilifeform: rs232 et al eat 8bit bytes, sadly
asciilifeform: no practical way around it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i understand why the sins of the flesh make this unavoidable. but it's still fucking wrong god damned it all to heck.
asciilifeform: in that sense binary-logic was the original sin.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform has written on the subj in the past, and will again )
mircea_popescu: and why the fuck would you maintain it in a place which has no need to maintain it. ffa is free from said flesh.
asciilifeform: nope. it relies on binary shifts, and on bitnesses being powers of 2
asciilifeform: makes karatsuba cut cleanly.
asciilifeform: ( abolishing the otherwise inescapable copying and special-cases )
mircea_popescu: but not on "byte" meaning anything other than what it does, which is to say... "how much the machine takes in at a time"
asciilifeform: afaik all of the routines as they stand nao, will work on nontraditional bitnesses of bytes and bytenesses of words
asciilifeform: but not nontraditional arity of bit.
asciilifeform: all of them but the FFA_IO items and the hex_digit thing.
asciilifeform: it also so happens that i do not own a non8bitbyte iron to test on, nor know where to obtain such.
asciilifeform: would have to be emulated, and gcc retargeted...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760654 << fucking annoying this imperial summarization style. "it had a bug" costs as much to say as "it had so and so bug". but nooooo, god forbid anything effectual ever occurs.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 15:35 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760640 << would be interesting to see exactly how this 'bug' looked. but currently can't be arsed to unearth the old crud ( where even is it )
asciilifeform: ( this is prolly doomed to happen in the end. i.e. gotta retarget gnat to a simplified mips or the like, and then run in emulator, verify actual clock cycle counts )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i very frankly expect exactly nothing to be done about it ; i'm just bitter and that's all.
asciilifeform: but just as well, loox like rubbish
asciilifeform: srsly shinohai reddit is worse habit than smoking
asciilifeform: by far.
asciilifeform: you ain't ever getting those brain cycles back
BingoBoingo: Srsly, at least smoking provides social cover when you lack other vices
shinohai: why foxx?
asciilifeform: i hear also drives off plague flea
BingoBoingo: AHA, and mosquito
BingoBoingo: And plenty of pretty girls need to know who to ask for a light
mircea_popescu: reading the keccak lisp thing that unpleasant irk becomes inescapably evident : this is just fucking "advanced" rot 13.
mircea_popescu: "here's our list of 13s" "here's our other list of 13s"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: revelation : ALL classic hash algos are .
mircea_popescu: i keep trying to not think so.
asciilifeform: ditto symmetric ciphers ( we already discussed, they are equivalent )
asciilifeform: keccak in fact can be used as cipher without modification ( it dun suffer length-extensions )
mircea_popescu: here, might as well : in case anyone needs magic numbers, for lottery or w/e, you can just use ( 0 36 3 41 18) ( 1 44 10 45 2) (62 6 43 15 61) (28 55 25 21 56) (27 20 39 8 14
mircea_popescu: just as magic as anything else.
asciilifeform: more specifically, you can use it as cipher without modification and without suffering immediate kindermat
asciilifeform: ( unlike e.g. sha2 )
asciilifeform: but to return upstack , if one could design a satisfactory ( somehow! ) hash , it would thereby also necessarily be a satisfactory symm cipher.
asciilifeform: and vice-versa.
asciilifeform: and prng.
asciilifeform: !#s cipher triangle
asciilifeform: could've sworn we had this thread.
BingoBoingo pretty sure thread had, but under what key words...
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:13 asciilifeform: they are sides of the same triangle.
asciilifeform: ^ thread.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 18:10 asciilifeform: a 'secure prng' is fundamentally THE SAME animal as the 'secure hash' and the 'secure blockcipher'.
asciilifeform: this item is the sucking black hole of suction at the heart of all modern cryptohokum
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760692 << they don't want you to LOOK at the 'bug'. elementarily.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 15:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760654 << fucking annoying this imperial summarization style. "it had a bug" costs as much to say as "it had so and so bug". but nooooo, god forbid anything effectual ever occurs.
mircea_popescu: fucktards.
asciilifeform: would rather magic it away. like in microshit's ciphered patches. ( i knew folx who made a comfortable living simply by reversing those. )
mircea_popescu: entirely chtonic civilisation, it copied more from the original socialists than just goebbel's radio playlist. it fucking copied the will-to-die, and substantially.
mircea_popescu: what the american aims to is to no longer exist.
asciilifeform: and not to die 'with a bang' driving panzer over untermenschen, either
mircea_popescu: "maybe if i sit really still i cease to be ? no ? how about if i also close eyes ? still ? plug ears as well, how about then ???"
mircea_popescu: no, they want to die quietly and alone in a corner.
asciilifeform: but moar like victorian typhoidal 'nedeflorena' or who was it
mircea_popescu: you get that joke ?
asciilifeform: aha reread recently
mircea_popescu: pretty good
asciilifeform: it was.
asciilifeform: trilema-1armbandit a+++ would roll again
mircea_popescu: you'll ruin my idea of romanian difficulty and i'll end up going "what, you don't get this kindergarten fare?!?!" at poor innocent slavegirls.
asciilifeform: it's not a martian lang or anyffing, not rice kingdom hieroglyph.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is prolly almost ready to eat it at this point
asciilifeform: relatedly http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740761 is apparently quite popular, but no meaningful backlink-headerolade, so i have nfi by whom/why
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 19:22 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_tech.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_expr.txt << 313333337 w4r3z
mircea_popescu: (for les autres : defloration is another word for losing one's virginity. the woman's name being lorena, and her disposition deeply pubescent anxiotic (you should know what this is) which is beyond ridiculous in a 40yo not to mention hysterical given the amount of compensatory covers-for-impotence she engages in, pretending entirely without basis to be an actress, poetess and whatnot -- the nedeflorena name immediately clicke
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It turns out that Portuguese is making a strong case for third lang
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo once man takes ibovniki, man can not stop at arbitrary count.
mircea_popescu: !#s 0 1 infinity
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Aha
mircea_popescu: oh no fucking way. this was a leit-motif
asciilifeform: !#s one two three infinity
a111: Logged on 2015-06-14 16:31 mircea_popescu: that's ok, the rule is 0 1 infinity.
mircea_popescu: apparently disused
asciilifeform: traditionally the 3 is in'ere. e.g. 'what three know, the sow knows'
asciilifeform: ( does that exist in english ? )
BingoBoingo: The ordering is more one of prioritizing. No need to stop. At any number of languages, but the focus can shift. As time makes the spanish more comfortable, Portuguese is a natural next point of focus.
asciilifeform: 1 of these days asciilifeform gotta translate maslennikov. the ONLY afaik discussion of The Gaping Black Hole Of Cryptohokum that exists outside of tmsr.
asciilifeform: !#s maslennikov
a111: 19 results for "maslennikov", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=maslennikov
mircea_popescu: doesn't the pet read ru ?
asciilifeform: about as well as i read ro
mircea_popescu: so give her a copy, correct the item she produces and there you go, she got a blog now.
mircea_popescu: speaking of copies, anyone got anathem warez ?
asciilifeform: got it here, but it's a html zip
asciilifeform: ( aka 'epub' )
mircea_popescu: can work
asciilifeform: can load OPS/xhtml/contents.xhtml in lynx , i think
mircea_popescu has long despaired of any hope anyone would produce text in some kind of proper format.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can put it through bash grindfer, make it be text.
asciilifeform: it's chapterized
mircea_popescu: cat exists
asciilifeform: ( can unzip like ordinary pkzip , or even view on crappletron etc )
asciilifeform: it's actually why asciilifeform keeps a crappletron
mircea_popescu: the next article title will be "we shall now read anathem", if that wasn't obvious
mircea_popescu: o look, there's a pt07 AND a part07
mircea_popescu: yay for ambiguous
asciilifeform: contents.xhtml
asciilifeform: ^ 3133333333337 ascii w4r3z
asciilifeform: you can throw the html.
asciilifeform: ( unless you like flipping to the glossary, stephenson did a bit of lem-like play with language )
mircea_popescu: im set, thanx.
mircea_popescu: please tell me hylaea is not a reference to the fucking futurists
asciilifeform: none of it is much of a reference to anything, save for a coupla old greeks
asciilifeform: this was the d00d's 1 properly original item.
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform's single favourite piece of english 'sf'.
mircea_popescu: "Science fiction author Neal Stephenson has become the "Chief Futurist" of Magic Leap, an augmented reality company"
mircea_popescu: i beg your pardon ?
asciilifeform: he went full tard coupla yrs ago. it was sad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja know the group im talking of ? "pushkin should be thrown overboard the steamship of modernity" ?
asciilifeform: nope. and i suspect i'll regret finding out.
asciilifeform: just pretend he's dead...
mircea_popescu: Пощёчина общественному вкусу
asciilifeform: really he oughta have fallen victim to a falling turtle after writing 'anathem'.
mircea_popescu: imo the only proper root of 4chan.
asciilifeform: in other noose, ben_vulpes , trinque , ircbot on sbcl 1.0.38-3.el6 : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/aojeZ/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ^ by all indications, cl-irc is broken by something-or-other in the massive pot-o-liquishit
asciilifeform: ^ triggered by the ircbot-connect invocation .
asciilifeform: !!up pehbot
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !A [helloworld]
pehbot: asciilifeform: helloworld
asciilifeform: !!down pehbot
asciilifeform: ^ will hang around, nao.
asciilifeform: ( it dun work with privmsg yet. but otherwise caan use. )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other recent 'to allcomers' lulz , https://archive.is/3OTat >> '...n the Tesla world as a Model S owner built a cryptocurrency mining rig in his electric car... The idea was suggested in order to use the free access to electricity with the Supercharger network. Technically, if someone is able to draw power from the Tesla to power those mining systems... '
mircea_popescu: o wow, socialism doesn't work in way #5465498758
asciilifeform: sadly working miners are ~unobtainable so it won't become a mass item
asciilifeform: but perhaps sumthingelse... say, aluminum refining..
phf: asciilifeform: i know this one, it's unix!
asciilifeform: ahahahahalol
asciilifeform: onlywinningmoveisnottoplay(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: or am i mixing my 1980solade
phf: asciilifeform: serve event is a cmucl way of tracking streams of every kind (since no threading, repl mainloop is a reactor pattern). sbcl has just lifted the whole thing, but then never really redid the architecture
phf: so that's why you sometimes get an infinite error loop with fd-register somesuch when you abruptly lose connection
asciilifeform: this wasn't an abrupt- anything
phf: right right
asciilifeform: it was a whole majorversion of sbcl that simply won't usocket..
phf: can i fucking finish?
asciilifeform ended up digging up another and replacing
phf: so instead of addressing the core machinery, they put these hooks all over the place, where some things are part of serve event, and some are not. anyway, you ran into the fact that 1.0.42 introduced a flag to socket-make-stream :serve-events, which is true by default. it was later changed to false
phf: but usocket probably defensively passes serve-events nil to make sure that "legacy" machinery doesn't kick in, because nobody knows about it, or wants to deal with it
phf: yo, modern sbcl!
asciilifeform can't wait to tip that particular cement mixer..
phf: if you want all of your compatability layers to work, you are forced to run trunk of everything.
phf: (which is by the way not what i do, i just fucking fix. every. single. fucking. piece. of. quicklisp. packaged. code. i. get. my. hands. on. motherfuckers)
asciilifeform: gotta post these fixes
asciilifeform: or at least the process whereby produced.
phf: it's not added up to coherent whole yet. so far the conclusion is that compatability layers are evil, and that you basically have to maintain own versions of everything that abstracts your lisp implementation details
asciilifeform: of everything -- period
asciilifeform: otherwise you have 'submarine with screen door'.
phf: it would be perhaps worthwhile to triangulate sbcl towards a common deployment platform
phf: and it is submarine with screen doors. it's possible that asdf in vpatches is the door through which the horror comes.
phf: (not to mention what i bring up all the time, that asdf itself is the horror now)
asciilifeform: i expect there'll be plenty of rubbish in the genesis. as there was in trb.
asciilifeform: point is that it becomes removable!
asciilifeform: and naturally no pulling-in of anything , in asdf or other packagetron, that hasn't been vgenesised.
asciilifeform: ( or whole effort is that very same submarine )
phf: one solution could be to, e.g. post cl-irc, but hard coded to a specific sbcl implementation. whoever wants to port it elsewhere (like cmucl or whatever) can just post a #-sbcl #+cmucl vpatch, etc.
phf: (fwiw ircbot is already sbcl specific, since it relies on a bunch of sbcl threading extensions, so pulling compat layer for cl-irc is a waste)
asciilifeform: nao this is so. it prolly oughta use naked sbclism for sockets.
asciilifeform: or even ffiism
ben_vulpes: phf: neat summary, ty
ben_vulpes: i started vendoring swaths of lisp code recently myself
ben_vulpes: while useful in some contexts, once phf said 'asdf is a pig with lipstick', could not unsee.
phf: ben_vulpes: note that older versions of asdf actually work. i've been running 1.369 in my cmucl, and it does require manually updating half of your asdf to remove various later extensions, but it works
phf: 1.369 is 1548 cloc vs. 3.3.1 10789!
asciilifeform: holyfuq
phf: there's actually some extensions that are not necessarily evil (like :email or :author in a defsystem), bulk of fail comes from test-op, that's not supported in old version, but that nobody uses test-op consistently at all
phf: also particularly gendered packages outright put #-asdf3 (error "requires asdf3") and ~usually~ it's because they silently rely on uiop, far's unix compatability layer
phf: fare claims somewhere that he solved a gnarly dependency resolution bug in asdf, but the nature of bug is never revealed, and SAT is never mentioned (i suspect most bugs in asdf would be SAT related)
asciilifeform: as in n-sat ?!
phf: sat as in satisfiability problem
asciilifeform: why is that in there??
asciilifeform: v dun have a sat-solver!!
phf: well, dependency resolution is a SAT problem at its core
phf: and there's probably no formal sat in asdf. i'm saying that bulk of dependency resolution problems would come from sat though
asciilifeform: again observe, v runs without a general satsolver.
asciilifeform: why it -- can, but asdf liquishit - cannot ??
asciilifeform: lemme guess, there are blocking packages ? that can't be used together on 1 system ?!
asciilifeform: i.e. a 'not gate'
phf: v runs with a special case of sat solver. i don't understand which part of "asdf doesn't have a sat solver" and "sat is never mentioned" is not clear. i'm saying that whatever dependency resolution is always a special case of sat. you put some contraints on it (no cirlces, etc.) and then you can have special case solutions.
asciilifeform: lol in this sense an adder is 'specialcase of satsolver'
asciilifeform: errythingis
phf: v also doesn't solve all the problems that asdf attempts to solve (for example compilation dependency)
asciilifeform: i'll bite : how not ?
asciilifeform: if your universe is vtronic, you dun have 'dependencyproblems'. definitionally.
phf: v relies on build systems to actually build
phf: so your entire makefile logic is outside of scope of v
phf: for example one thing that i tried with my lisp workflow is to have the system automatically compile/load touched files in their order of appearance in a v patch. but the order here is explicitly linear, requires fiddling with patch order, and is definitely not how we use it now
phf: also v doesn't recognize state. in a tree A->B pressing to A, then loading, then pressing to B, then loading is different than pressing to B right away and loading the result
phf: obviously not designed for that, but the assumption here then is that you're running a fresh instance for each fresh press, which is suboptimal for a lisp (this particular detail will likewise come up when v is run on an always-on system of any kind, be that a cuntoo or a lispm)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760893 << this is a thing to be eventually fixed.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:16 phf: so your entire makefile logic is outside of scope of v
asciilifeform: ( incidentally gprbuild, which is used in ffa, is quite interesting. )
asciilifeform: and to the extent lisps dun play nicely with freshly-pressed instances -- it is the lisps which are broken
asciilifeform: the irreplicable-churning-pot-of-liquishit mentality that always-on items tend to suffer from -- is a disease, will have to be cured.
asciilifeform: *extant
phf: lisps deal with freshly-pressed instances as well as anything else: by doing a clean restart. my point is not lisps, my point is that current solution assumes lack of state and delegates the problem to a non-v-tronic build system
asciilifeform: phf: i was thinking of cures in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-27#1758977
a111: Logged on 2017-12-27 02:01 asciilifeform: picture a kind of 'multiverse ada', where you dun call foo(bar), but instead foo:somepatchid(bar:somepatchid) etc, explicitly conforming to 'multiversism'...
asciilifeform: i.e. a fully vtronic evaluator
asciilifeform: rather than 'automatic clean starts' crapola
shinohai: Ripple scam overtakes mETH in "market cap" O.o
BingoBoingo: In other news NYC apartment fire that killed 12 being called deadlist since 1992 provinding ample fodder for 9/11 lovers
asciilifeform: in other idiocies, 'you are rightly observing that svg doesn't support word-wrapping directly. however, you might benefit from foreignObject elements serving as a wrapper for xhtml fragments where word-wrapping is available.'
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform , like complete idiot, went and thought... 'i can make a useful diagram! with svg ! which exists!' )
asciilifeform: turns out -- nodice
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760846 << he's impressively informed isn't he.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 17:35 phf: yo, modern sbcl!
mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 17:32 phf: can i fucking finish?
mircea_popescu: in a sense you convict yourself to ricochet.
mircea_popescu: does this make any sense ?
asciilifeform: sbcl is a pretty interesting example of one of those spiked pits, like e.g. gcc -- items to which there is no practical alternative except 'throw away the comp and build log cabin'. but asciilifeform does not have phf's deep historical view of sbcl/cmucl ; asciilifeform arrived into the spiked pit directly
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760849 << but not like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-22#1756758 ; why not ? cheap entry right there. /me would definitely read phf's fixed lisp code shelf.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 17:36 phf: (which is by the way not what i do, i just fucking fix. every. single. fucking. piece. of. quicklisp. packaged. code. i. get. my. hands. on. motherfuckers)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's more, if he gets married deep historical view is in danger of simply going away.
asciilifeform: hence the urgency of 'write!'
mircea_popescu: phf and if you don't share with heathens, make it so !!shelf returns a pile encrypted to my key for instance, nothing wrong with that.
mircea_popescu: "publish" means "form, and fix the form" not necessarily "share with cows".
asciilifeform mutters something re how naggum might still live if he had this
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: bots page updated with pehbot.
asciilifeform: ty pete_dushenski !
pete_dushenski: np at all
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i recommend against the hardcoded summary tho,it'll change regularly
asciilifeform: ( with each ch )
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-28#1759374 << lookup has been there for a while :)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 02:58 shinohai: ah mircea_popescu lookup has been there a while, but i think i forgot to have pete_dushenski push it to his bots page updates.
asciilifeform: just give it the help text.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: gotcha. just updating that...
asciilifeform: and it ain't !W
asciilifeform: ( mismatched b/w title of section and the chart )
asciilifeform: !!up pehbot
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: !A help
pehbot: asciilifeform: I am PehBot. See also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051 . My Width is currently fixed to 256 and Height to 32.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not the "or addressed directly" rider either.
asciilifeform: yeah that dun happen, it was before mircea_popescu made a prefix for it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing wrong with summary as is, so it'll change, still better an idea than a blank.
pete_dushenski: oh ok. fixed.
asciilifeform: i still see 'pehbot – maintained by asciilifeform – call command “!W”'
asciilifeform: which is wrong, that's candi_lustt's prefix
pete_dushenski: fixed now :/
asciilifeform: ty pete_dushenski , looxgood
asciilifeform: can haz link to ffaseries plox ? ( http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=49 is the metalink )
asciilifeform: stuff it behind the 'Finite Field....' phrase
pete_dushenski: howzitlooknao ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760869 << this sounds suspiciously familiar.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 18:59 phf: ben_vulpes: note that older versions of asdf actually work. i've been running 1.369 in my cmucl, and it does require manually updating half of your asdf to remove various later extensions, but it works
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760873 << you know it's compatible, compatibility, no such thing as compatable.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:03 phf: also particularly gendered packages outright put #-asdf3 (error "requires asdf3") and ~usually~ it's because they silently rely on uiop, far's unix compatability layer
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760879 << and what a major advantage this is!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:07 asciilifeform: v dun have a sat-solver!!
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:14 phf: v also doesn't solve all the problems that asdf attempts to solve (for example compilation dependency)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:18 phf: for example one thing that i tried with my lisp workflow is to have the system automatically compile/load touched files in their order of appearance in a v patch. but the order here is explicitly linear, requires fiddling with patch order, and is definitely not how we use it now
pete_dushenski: !!withdraw 0.1456 1824qTKoHQZghCiQnRsjyCWWPY94yJZC9W
mircea_popescu: is the entirety of this fiddling you going "i'm curious how this thing could work/break at the edges?" or is it rather "i wonder how i could run a v tree as an infrastructure node without reboots" ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760903 << rather the current design deproblematizes state altogether (in this sense of state, and problem). hence his comments re "then lisps are broken".
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 19:35 phf: lisps deal with freshly-pressed instances as well as anything else: by doing a clean restart. my point is not lisps, my point is that current solution assumes lack of state and delegates the problem to a non-v-tronic build system
mircea_popescu: but from a sustainability pow : eulora server currently restarts weekly ; not necessarily because it absolutely must, but because i deliberately did not want to provide a "continuous" item in this sense.
asciilifeform: the 'holy grail' is items which are demonstrably safe to operate continuously -- i.e. fsa with no wedge states. these are not so easy to achieve; FUCKGOATS is one example
mircea_popescu: i can understand the fascination with "this orrery has been in clickety-clacking continuously since 1625", but let's point out that it relies on a) THIS orrery, as opposed to "constantly changing randomly pile of cogs" and b) it's a discrete mechanism, like the human heart. it takes a break every beat. essentially the problem has been hidden, by these, not resolved.
asciilifeform: ( and 1 of the few readily accessible pieces of digital gear that fit this description , afaik )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fuckgoats still is THIS orrery, rather than "hotswappable"
asciilifeform: actually you can hotswap the analogue boards
asciilifeform: this is in fact part of uncrating test, recall.
mircea_popescu: but not the controller.
asciilifeform: why not ?
asciilifeform: i do it regularly, when testing'em
asciilifeform: not as if the serial dongle gives a fuck
mircea_popescu: while getting entropy out ?
asciilifeform: well for a short while there ain't any, when nothing plugged in
asciilifeform: but also no faux-entropy
mircea_popescu: THIS orrery. not "some collection of parts".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
asciilifeform: 4 parts ( serialdongle, controller, the 2 analogueboards )
asciilifeform: can replace in any order and any subset
mircea_popescu: the point is that item either a) operates continuously, provided it is THIS item, ie, this specific collection of parts or else b) is stopped while beingt serviced, ie having a cog replaced. there's no clock that works while having its cogs switched around.
asciilifeform: in point of fact it dun stop when you pull 1 of 2 analogueboards
mircea_popescu: nor is there such a thing as triple bypass while running a marathon
mircea_popescu: nor is it reasonable thereby to expect "this lisp instance runs while a new press gets pulled in"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's observation was re how lisp systems often accumulate GBs of state that takes weeks to re-create programatically
asciilifeform: which is troo . and 'not bug, but feature' and in fact plays poorly with vtronics
asciilifeform: but i still blame the lisps, not v.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was re his difficulties in updating the machinery behind btcbase without downtime
asciilifeform: iirc 1 of the ways he got the thing to stand up reliably was via exactly 'save-lisp-and-die' snapshot.
asciilifeform: but i'll let phf answer the particulars of this.
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall this
asciilifeform brb, meat
mircea_popescu: i also seem to recall he didn't like it for some reason. anyways.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 20:09 shinohai: Ripple scam overtakes mETH in "market cap" O.o
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544670 was the last i recall on the topic
a111: Logged on 2016-09-18 22:53 phf: yes, scp, screen, asdf. i had a v based deployment but i wasn't happy with it, so i'm trying to rethink it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760909 << recall the good old days when the "reddit experts" / pantsuit&allies actually got to burn in warehouses rather than 18sqft ny apartments ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 20:26 BingoBoingo: In other news NYC apartment fire that killed 12 being called deadlist since 1992 provinding ample fodder for 9/11 lovers
mircea_popescu: seems like the pantsuit lost 90% of sqfootage per capita in the past three years, from ~10 to ~1.
ben_vulpes: pfffhaha
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 20:50 asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform , like complete idiot, went and thought... 'i can make a useful diagram! with svg ! which exists!' )
asciilifeform: svg, funnily enuff, can't do text worth a shit
asciilifeform: uses browser's text renderer, and requires extensive manual fiddling to , e.g., actually span a text with graphic
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-23#1757448 << it just so happens that i saw one in vancouver's gastown neighbourhood last month. not the most tuneful steam whistle and it looks far older than the 40 years of age it actually is, but the plaque did indicate that it was something of a technical innovation. looked like a simplified rube goldberg machine to me.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 16:38 shinohai suddenly wonders if pete_dushenski has ever seen those steam-powered clocks that are in Canada ....
pete_dushenski: can't have too many public clocks though. so much the more if they're technically novel.
pete_dushenski: just read about the 5451-piece richard mille "jura" clock in quebec city, as it happens, and i'll definitely be checking it out next time i'm there. apparently the thing took 6 years to build, which isn't so hard to believe when you see that incorporates a perpetual calendar (which knows leap years from non-leap years, unlike an annual calendar), rementoire d'egalite (for improving accuracy), and equation of
pete_dushenski: time (indicates variation between apparent and mean solar time)
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760509 << well, I haven't be writing C for that long lol
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 04:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760175 << musta started way the fuck up there then huh :D
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760511 << possible that it got buried in the unconscious somewhere
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 04:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760177 << funny, im pretty sure this was in the logs. as a naggum quote.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760528 << I swear I've seen it somewhere...
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 05:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760180 << i'ma confess, i have nfi what is or could be 'elegant c'
esthlos: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20171229/#519 << oh, very interesting. I will look into that
scriba: Logged on 2017-12-29: [05:16:58] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760156 << why not needleman-wunsch instead ?
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14260.0, vol: 13663.03851253 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14104.0, vol: 49289.10667292 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14276.6, vol: 3270.19945719 | Volume-weighted last average: 14144.7093776
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760909 << recall the good old days when the "reddit experts" / pantsuit&allies actually got to burn in warehouses rather than 18sqft ny apartments ?<< That was last year, and how did te steel melt if there was no fire??
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 20:26 BingoBoingo: In other news NYC apartment fire that killed 12 being called deadlist since 1992 provinding ample fodder for 9/11 lovers
BingoBoingo: body heat?
mircea_popescu: maybe they fucked so vigurously, the friction alighted them.
mircea_popescu: i know yesterday my hand smelled of burned rubber for wringing off teh used condom...
BingoBoingo: Quizas...
mod6: haha
danielpbarron: !!up l0de
deedbot: l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
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mod6: lol, you're giving away a herse?
mod6: apparently if you can suck your own dick...
phf: from xach's quicklisp update "This update was created with an older version of SBCL. The latest SBCL includes ASDF 3.3.1, which breaks a handful of projects in ways that have not been resolved yet."
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
ben_vulpes: yeah i recently tried a 'modern' asdf and recoiled in horror at how much it broke
ben_vulpes: there's no way that Lord_dpb in the l0de chat is danielpbarron is it?
ben_vulpes: "death to america" << ahahaha
mod6: lol
mod6: "are the air jordans still available?" this is like the 3rd or 4th guy.
mod6: !!up l0de
deedbot: l0de voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform tuned in for coupla min, decided 'tards'
mod6: ^
mod6: im about to hit the dumpswitch here too... trying to give it a chance.
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, yeah that's me
asciilifeform: and what's more, the standard type of tard typically 'pirate radio'
asciilifeform: gabgabgabilovethesoundofmyownvoiceprattleprattle
phf: having this shit run in the background makes me feel like i finally made it into The Hackers
mod6: hack urself a gibson yoh
phf: like i'm that russian guy in a smoked out room on a tiny x60 "da. poyehali!"
asciilifeform: in other googlolz, 'In response to user reports, we have disabled some features, such as comments, sharing, and suggested videos, because this video contains content that may be inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.'
mircea_popescu: phf you know that show is apparently very popular with 60yos flattering themselves with "a technical facility" or w/e, clued-in by its own lights crowd?
phf: it very much reminds me of 2600 and related radios. i guess it's the same brooklyn resistance scene. the east coast counterpart to west coast mondo holywood
phf: (unrelatedly, i've read the backlog, i'm muling over it)
mircea_popescu: i've yet to watch any.
phf: !#s 2600
mircea_popescu: wait, i thought the hackers was some hbo/lifetime tv series.
phf: oh oh, no the 90s movie with angelina jolie
mircea_popescu: the matrix was better, showing that tits are wasted on the pantstupid.
asciilifeform: lol the one with 'upload kungfu'
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "the one"
mircea_popescu: the all. the fucking ALL.
asciilifeform: i only had the 'good fortune' of seeing 1
phf: the matrix had a particularly bad fallout in moscow. i mean americans got off easy with "i'll show you the truth blue pill/red pill". i've lived through 3 years of 8 year old "neos"!
asciilifeform can picture.
mircea_popescu: hey, i lived through a few years of 12 yo sandokans.
mircea_popescu: i dun think this is avoidable outside of chemical castration.
mircea_popescu: (pirate / action guy in some early italian rehash of the eternal pirate franchise/noinsense. because no, none of this shit is ever new ; only the watching cows ever are.)
asciilifeform: what'd it even look like for it to be new
mircea_popescu: you know ?
asciilifeform: in other cokemachines, https://strana.ua/news/114755-pokhishchennoho-v-kieve-rossijskoho-kriptovaljutchika-otpustili-za-1-million-dollarov.html << supposedly shinohai's ukr 'ransomed self for milliondollar in btc'
mircea_popescu: so they pick him up again next weekend ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 03:31 shinohai: http://archive.is/vAfjT <<< now THIS is the lulziest thing, to me, of the entire week.
asciilifeform: why not . ( cokemachine!111 )
mircea_popescu: reminds me of that joke, with the guy trying to get a loan back
mircea_popescu: !!up Meepsheep
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Meepsheep: ATTENTION jhvh1 ATTENTION midnightmagic ATTENTION pete_dushenski ATTENTION Framedragger ATTENTION The20YearIRCloud ATTENTION diana_coman ATTENTION gribble ATTENTION punto ATTENTION mimisbrunnr ATTENTION chrono ATTENTION aegis ATTENTION trinque ATTENTION barpub ATTENTION danielpbarron ATTENTION deedbot ATTENTION mobile46836 ATTENTION StarmanDeluxe ATTE
Meepsheep: NTION candi_lustt ATTENTION dooglus ATTENTION
Meepsheep: TomServo ATTENTION whaack ATTENTION MTW ATTENTION scriba ATTENTION webbyz ATTENTION manamex ATTENTION hanbot ATTENTION mod6 ATTENTION Techman ATTENTION mats ATTENTION jurov ATTENTION a111 ATTENTION toohigh ATTENTION davout_ ATTENTION lobbes ATTENTION yangwao_ ATTENTION joecool ATTENTION mquander ATTENTION BingoBoingo ATTENTION phf ATTENTION Cha
Meepsheep: nServ ATTENTION tb0t ATTENTION ang-st ATTENTION
Meepsheep: ATTENTION ben_vulpes ATTENTION _whitelogger ATTENTION l0de ATTENTION luny ATTENTION kjj ATTENTION shinohai ATTENTION bad_duck ATTENTION Meepsheep ATTENTION adlai ATTENTION Cory ATTENTION spyked ATTENTION asciilifeform ATTENTION esthlos ATTENTION revnja ATTENTION Valfor ATTENTION lobbesbot ATTENTION r41n ATTENTION mircea_popescu ATTENTION pehbot
Meepsheep: ATTENTION RagnarDanneskjol ATTENTION kanzure
Meepsheep: ATTENTION jhvh1 ATTENTION midnightmagic ATTENTION pete_dushenski ATTENTION Framedragger ATTENTION The20YearIRCloud ATTENTION diana_coman ATTENTION gribble ATTENTION punto ATTENTION mimisbrunnr ATTENTION chrono ATTENTION aegis ATTENTION trinque ATTENTION barpub ATTENTION danielpbarron ATTENTION deedbot ATTENTION mobile46836 ATTENTION StarmanDeluxe ATTE
Meepsheep: NTION candi_lustt ATTENTION dooglus ATTENTION
Meepsheep: TomServo ATTENTION whaack ATTENTION MTW ATTENTION scriba ATTENTION webbyz ATTENTION manamex ATTENTION hanbot ATTENTION mod6 ATTENTION Techman ATTENTION mats ATTENTION jurov ATTENTION a111 ATTENTION toohigh ATTENTION davout_ ATTENTION lobbes ATTENTION yangwao_ ATTENTION joecool ATTENTION mquander ATTENTION BingoBoingo ATTENTION phf ATTENTION Cha
Meepsheep: nServ ATTENTION tb0t ATTENTION ang-st ATTENTION
Meepsheep: ATTENTION ben_vulpes ATTENTION _whitelogger ATTENTION l0de ATTENTION luny ATTENTION kjj ATTENTION shinohai ATTENTION bad_duck ATTENTION Meepsheep ATTENTION adlai ATTENTION Cory ATTENTION spyked ATTENTION asciilifeform ATTENTION esthlos ATTENTION revnja ATTENTION Valfor ATTENTION lobbesbot ATTENTION r41n ATTENTION mircea_popescu ATTENTION pehbot
Meepsheep: ATTENTION RagnarDanneskjol ATTENTION kanzure
Meepsheep: ATTENTION jhvh1 ATTENTION midnightmagic ATTENTION pete_dushenski ATTENTION Framedragger ATTENTION The20YearIRCloud ATTENTION diana_coman ATTENTION gribble ATTENTION punto ATTENTION mimisbrunnr ATTENTION chrono ATTENTION aegis ATTENTION trinque ATTENTION barpub ATTENTION danielpbarron ATTENTION deedbot ATTENTION mobile46836 ATTENTION StarmanDeluxe ATTE
Meepsheep: NTION candi_lustt ATTENTION dooglus ATTENTION
Meepsheep: TomServo ATTENTION whaack ATTENTION MTW ATTENTION scriba ATTENTION webbyz ATTENTION manamex ATTENTION hanbot ATTENTION mod6 ATTENTION Techman ATTENTION mats ATTENTION jurov ATTENTION a111 ATTENTION toohigh ATTENTION davout_ ATTENTION lobbes ATTENTION yangwao_ ATTENTION joecool ATTENTION mquander ATTENTION BingoBoingo ATTENTION phf ATTENTION Cha
mircea_popescu: !!down Meepsheep
Meepsheep: nServ ATTENTION tb0t ATTENTION ang-st ATTENTION
asciilifeform expected this
asciilifeform: peyoteway.life lol
MTW: some host
mircea_popescu: you know, the kids really aren't very good at this.
mircea_popescu: !!up biobag
deedbot: biobag voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up cutco
deedbot: cutco voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: is there a point to that sort of spam that i don't understand?
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