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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855891 << that was easy, he all but snapped himself.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:46 asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
mircea_popescu: yes, wealthier and larger l1. but the only way there is through talk to more people ; and pointedly not through imagining things.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855817 << they coulkd if they would. they don't because they're not-credible proven-retards.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless
mircea_popescu: this hasn't improved, since 2011, or since 2016. in fact, drastically agravated.
mircea_popescu: i can not possibly think of one single name that satisfies all of a) is relevant to bitcoin ; b) is not in l1 and c) is not so fucking stupid, own feces constitute a good portion of its diet.
asciilifeform: miners relevant collectively, rather than individually. like ears of corn..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855820 << the only advantage is that ecology is largely self-minding. i didn't tell the power rangers morons to shoot themselves in the face. i told them not to ; and they did anyway.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:47 asciilifeform: the continued convertibility of btc into saecular goods, e.g. rack space, is not separable from healthy 'ecology' sadly.
asciilifeform: ( and no i can't name 1. do ears of corn have names..?)
mircea_popescu: and so following. shit rots because it's shit, not because will to power.
mircea_popescu: miners have today exactly all the options they had in 2015.
asciilifeform: they have option of ditching glibc, say. which hadnt then.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855821 << imo the only limiting factor in foundation finance atm is the twin perception that foundation doesn't need more money nor has anything useful to do with it if it had more money.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:51 asciilifeform: and yes if there were some magical way to get errybody who benefits from tbf and ergo working btc net, to put into the piggy, it'd be splendid, thing could fund even such things as flotillae of noads, or even trbi dev, etc, whoknows. but there is no magic. and it is a lucky thing that tbf in fact has the coin with which to do the bare minimum and host patches ( not on shitazon! jurov ! ) and handful of reliable nodes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant politically, not technologically. yes, technologically they owe us more than they owe their mom & dad.
asciilifeform: even politically. they have option of unwinding segwit, say.
mircea_popescu: this is entirely coherent with republican outlook.
asciilifeform: ( i actually have nfi why they havent yet )
mircea_popescu: segwit was always a matter of "hipsters & doofuses community chests, someone takes it all sometime"
asciilifeform: it's an eminently ripe pustule imho
asciilifeform: waiting for lancet
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855830 << hopefully you're not asking me this.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:06 ben_vulpes: is there some fetlife for nerds funnel under optimization?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855832 << translating the scripture has the significant disadvantage that all sorts of morons "get to thinking" about "how it should be", down the line you end up with anglicanism, protestantisms, etc. the fact that scripture is written in human language is not "impediment put in way of orcs".
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:08 asciilifeform: if idjit breaks it, he can do no harm thereby that prb does not already do; if he runs a valid node, it contributes to strength of the net.
mircea_popescu: what impedes them is not it, but everything-not-it, namely : themselves. their miserable orc nature. if it washes, let it wash, and if it doesn't wash, let them hang.
mircea_popescu: the ~only~ thing you get out of "removing obstacles" is another linus debacle, whereby you belabour for however many decades under the false flag of an unredeemable asshole. he will sell you out, and pretend he's doing you a favour.
mircea_popescu: it is ~regrettable~ linux even got started AT ALL in the current circumstances.
mircea_popescu: had it fizzled in 1993, like so many other vaporware manalone projects, the world today ~would have been better off~.
asciilifeform: lol on what, nt ?
mircea_popescu: on ~whatever linus' lies prevented from existing~.
asciilifeform: from where got idea that it prevented anyffing
mircea_popescu: these fujcking morons managed to turn ~~~AVIATION~~~, humanity's oldest dream, into a LIFETIME NEGATIVE VALUE activity.
asciilifeform: ( i dun even necessarily disagree, but curious re logic )
mircea_popescu: and this is what they do, and this is the bitter fruit whereby you know them : their activity results in things being worse than if they never existed at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you think if lincoln didn't show up to fuck up the us constitution under the guise of "black chicks code", the issue of black chicks and coding would have never been addressed or somehow resolved ?
mircea_popescu: give me a fucking break.
mircea_popescu: if linus wasn't around to subvert early republican effort, it's not the case "republic wouldn't have ever existed" ; but it is the case republic would have been greater and better without his despicable ass.
asciilifeform: not being immortal, i dun deal in 'eventuallies'. fact is that plenty of things for which 'was no linus' still to this day not resolved in any form , and i dun expect to live to see resolved, either masterfully or ineptly
mircea_popescu: right. such as, for instance, a fucking os you can trust.
mircea_popescu: so then what are we talking about.
asciilifeform: or even cpu that dun overflowate.
asciilifeform: my contention is that linuses are red herring, they are powerless to prevent sane engineering when the capable folx stand up.
mircea_popescu: i would rather die of the fucking colic, than spend time at the shaman's "office" and then die of the colic anyway.
mircea_popescu: linus is the shaman in this picture. i'd have been better off without any linux, than with his sorry ass excuse for an os.
mircea_popescu: and all the people that put in, a man-hour or a man-decade into his project (i don't mean the fucktards, i mean ~the actual people~) could have done something useful in that hour or decade.
mircea_popescu: something eminently NOT supportive of pantsuitism bullshit.
asciilifeform: like what, model airplanes ?
mircea_popescu: like flying their car into the fucking post office.
mircea_popescu: every hour you spend suing the government is an hour you don't spend burning down the police station.
mircea_popescu: this is an important fucking point -- IF, and that is a humongously immense IF, we do not actually burn everyone down, that everyone gotta pay. and pay well.
mircea_popescu: there's no free lunch for the pantsuit.
asciilifeform: linux is a sad story for same reason as the sov pdp11 - 'why didja copy liquishit when could have made sane design' 'but CHEAP! and legacy coad! and warez!' it was economic 'forced mistake'.
asciilifeform: products of poverty are really all quite alike.
mircea_popescu: in that they end up sold to the man with the bag of shiny beads ?
mircea_popescu: fucking injuns.
asciilifeform: in this also.
asciilifeform: when beads look +ev to the chief -- bang, sold.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855833 << and that's what it always were.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:10 asciilifeform: whereas when somebody throws coin into a prb wallet, for any reason whatsoever, whether because he is idjit or because we made it harder to avoid, that's coin into usg coffers.
asciilifeform: was however speaking of the other commonality -- the absence of anyffing one might confuse for a design
mircea_popescu: the error to this view is in assigning agency to animals. they had none. whether the proverbial diamonds are in my safe or in my pigs, they're still mine.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima take girls out. will be back for more of this later!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're yours for so long as pig corralled.
asciilifeform also bbl
jurov: asciilifeform: yes it is on aws. since day one.
jurov: And the IP address mirror is the foundation box where I'm presently migrating the mailinglist.
mircea_popescu: in other not-really-news, i had some "old parr" at bar/disco (that had nothing else). that thing is distinctly the sheep bladders whiskey.
BingoBoingo: Incredilogs
Mocky: BingoBoingo, what did you do for cell service, new local sim for existing phone and ditch old number?
BingoBoingo: Mocky: New local sim
BingoBoingo: Rather than using the cell network services orcs tend to funnel much of their contacting through "Whatsapp" so hygeine accordingly
BingoBoingo: Mocky: I got my sim at a mall kiosk. You may find better luck at the airport.
Mocky: I think I'm going to pick up a cheap unlocked phone as mine isn't unlocked
BingoBoingo: That works too. Just try to price phones there, it will likely be cheaper to pick up the cheap unlocked deal before you depart
Mocky: yeah, before I leave
diana_coman: fwiw Mocky I'd suggest unlocking your phone anyway
BingoBoingo: Mocky: How are you doing on soaking the luggage in poisons?
diana_coman: possibly even buy a bunch of cheap ones, unlock and then just plug into them whatever/wherever sim(s)
asciilifeform: ohai diana_coman et al
asciilifeform: Mocky: most folx buy local sims if they hang around for any length of time. why wouldja want to pay your telco roaming fee for 8 weeks.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha! let the code stay there though for future reference now
asciilifeform: diana_coman: thing is eminently fit for 'museum of sad ada'
diana_coman: precisely
asciilifeform: diana_coman: interestingly, just about my entire collection of vintage ada, with the exception of that little serpent thing, qualifies for this museum.
diana_coman: really? I thought there was a site you were recommending precisely for "good ada code", wasn't there?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there was a site (nao dead! incidentally.) with didactic/trivial pieces
asciilifeform: but i dun recall a 'good coad'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you find it in the l0gz, plox to link
asciilifeform: then again possibly i would not today agree that it were good, having since renounced e.g. heapism
a111: Logged on 2015-12-12 00:23 asciilifeform: adlai: http://cs.fit.edu/~ryan/ada/programs << mega-collection of examples
asciilifeform: aha that's what i was thinking of
asciilifeform: it was ok collection of 'kindergarten' snippets
asciilifeform: ( and nao 404, and afaik there is no copy )
asciilifeform: can't say it was a very dire loss tho.
Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's typically a way to crack pnojes and unlock whether vendor wanted to or not. but you may or may not want to burn the time to do this, a reasonable pnoje can be had for pocket change
asciilifeform: (i.e. one where you can make/receive calls, and maybe even read the l0gz)
asciilifeform bbl,meat
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:28 asciilifeform: for nao -- simply log'em.
asciilifeform: ^ spoiler/anticlimactic -- loox like just about all new blox on zoolag come from the pizarro noades
asciilifeform: as for others, i dun recall who is 149.56.19.79 but iirc also trb
diana_coman: I don't see 149.56.19.79 in the list of advertised nodes
asciilifeform: i've nfi then who it was
diana_coman: and hm, it seems that it's more like ~all from one single node actually? (pizarro hosted, yes but is that the only one that is hosted by pizarro?)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's at least 2 in there
asciilifeform: ( at pizarro, i mean )
diana_coman: ah, BingoBoingo's, yes
asciilifeform: 161.0.121.248 .
diana_coman: that is the most useful yes; but also 1 block from 192.187.99.74
asciilifeform: aha, unknown
diana_coman: anyways, I'll get around to patch my node and see what that gets
diana_coman: uhm, what unknown?
asciilifeform: oh nm it is BingoBoingo's, from the old days , nm
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not particularly urgent experiment, i dun expect we'll do anyffing constructive with the output until after regrinds etc
asciilifeform: ( my eventual aim there is to attempt a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855574 )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:21 asciilifeform: prelude to actually rebaking the coad that does the address-collectin' (so to prefer folx who actually supply blox, to the dead weight people )
asciilifeform: i still have a dark suspicion that actually changing the logic like this could eventually result in a 'star topology' around a miner
asciilifeform: but the current situation also has problems.
asciilifeform: fwiw hand-addnode'd folx will still appear in the advertised table.
asciilifeform: ( whether or not they supply new blox )
asciilifeform bbl,meat for a while
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855980 >> trying to avoid the poison really, seems pretty light on pests
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 14:59 BingoBoingo: Mocky: How are you doing on soaking the luggage in poisons?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> oh nm it is BingoBoingo's, from the old days , nm << There's still a node running on .253 and .252
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Really you are trying to avoid one particular pest.
BingoBoingo: The idea is that you luggage soaked in permethrins and other repellent insecticides sits in the airplane or hostel and mad dogs any would be intruders.
BingoBoingo: Travel is a filthy business
BingoBoingo: If you want to do a half measure you can get the shit labeled for use on pet bedding.
Mocky: I don't know, repellent has always been worse for me than any insects. I guess you could call me an insect bite non-responder. Prolly wouldn't use even if I didn't have hard shell luggage
Mocky: anyway I decided to skip the hostel cuz 100% indian laborer gulag barracks, and went for air bnb room with door lock and kitchen/laundry access
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851082 << speaking of, i took off the 6am disconnect thing.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 20:34 asciilifeform: ( and e.g. mircea_popescu unsheaths ~erry day, and i dun recall him finding it headache )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:37 trinque: only thing gonna free up l1 hands is wealthier l1
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855879 << for the record, i think it's a uniquely stupid (to the degree of, http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ level stupid) to attempt to "mp oneself" off community chests. it is the saddest, most vulnerable derpitude, and it produces http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ 's not mps.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:37 asciilifeform: trinque: tru. but nobody's about to become mircea_popescu off what's in the tbf piggy as we know it..
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> meanwhile in random lulz, https://image.ibb.co/mXNyEK/lulz.png << WTF is an evolving?
mircea_popescu: contemporary polite way of rendering the concept of "lost", i assume.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856047 << not only, but is how linuses are made
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855879 << for the record, i think it's a uniquely stupid (to the degree of, http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ level stupid) to attempt to "mp oneself" off community chests. it is the saddest, most vulnerable derpitude, and it produces http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ 's not mps.
asciilifeform: pretty much guaranteed ruin.
mircea_popescu: my own read was that linus was run of the mill man-alone, ran into the usual pike ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838412 ) awaiting these.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-31 16:23 asciilifeform: (~= 'for erry smart-arse, a threaded cock will be found' )
asciilifeform: i dunno who then best example in the circuses i'm familiar with
mircea_popescu: that theranos broad.
mircea_popescu: the pharma kiddo
mircea_popescu: there's bunches, but usually in "business", as the us renders the "oligarch" concept when it's domestic rather than abroad.
asciilifeform: i thought that one 'fair and square' swindled its phortune out of moneyed chumpers
mircea_popescu: or maddof.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform swindled, failed to mp with the swindle.
asciilifeform: madoff perfect ex
mircea_popescu: this is that : ambitious moron with krysha forces open some community chest or other, discovers that it wasn't after all mp's glasses that did his reading for him by themselves.
asciilifeform: funny how nobody ever steals 'to live on for 50y'
asciilifeform: somehow either fortune or nuffin
mircea_popescu: the will to power is a quest towards meaning, after all. fortune's supposed to MEAN (ie, enact abstraction into carnation) something.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> funny how nobody ever steals 'to live on for 50y' << Plenty probably intend to by get hit with lottery winner problem
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i'm sitting here ordering chickies to love me. it's really fucking unfair.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855766 << and ben_vulpes and lotta people.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 00:13 asciilifeform: with substantial help of mircea_popescu , mod6
BingoBoingo: In other updates I have acquired a copy of the "Código de Comercio" printed in 2000 at the feria. I also spotted an odd syncretic novelty: "Alfajor Oreo"
mircea_popescu: should be fed to an urban negro!
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=34 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/25/2018
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I plan to photograph and review it on the blog. I have a suspicion it is constructed in a way that would make it far more popular in its homeland than in this frontier it has adapted to.
mircea_popescu: haha, start export bidniss!!1
BingoBoingo: Mocky: That reminds me, make sure to pack a few sets of civilized sunglasses.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> haha, start export bidniss!!1 << Not out of the question
BingoBoingo: If we get a beedog here and further Republcian colonization of the Orient(Latino Edition), people are going to have to eat.
BingoBoingo: Reading the package it is Industria Argentina, which means it will be smaller and denser than an alfajore Uruguayo
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855888 << i think the important cut is salary-or-theft (ie, are you being raped or being the rapist in the relationship). the mere act of graciously permitting the pantsuited morons to deposit their ~worthless paper bits into your drawers is not in itself anything. children've been doing this since time immemorial, arts-and-crafts'd mom a card for her bday, this doesn't make the woman any mo
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:42 trinque: pulling bread from shitland, salary or not. so am I
mircea_popescu: re infantile or anything.
mircea_popescu: it's a tempting misread, of course, but the fact that i spend the occasional hour interacting with my interfaces with random "social media" site dun do anything to me. it certainly can't be said "oh, mp is on reddit ; robots count".
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855891 << that was easy, he all but snapped himself.
mircea_popescu: ie, fisherman and fish both interact with the fishing hook. this happenstance dun make the fisherman a fish -- he interacts with right end in right way.
mircea_popescu: Mocky or maybe your brain works.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855891 >> I'm not sure what compact means in this context
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 02:46 asciilifeform: Mocky, for instance, is a very compact but quite competent fella. ( but mircea_popescu already snapped him up for a diff proj )
mircea_popescu: Mocky he means that he's too loose and fat to be able to take off for qatar on any budget he can conceive of.
mircea_popescu: kinda like duck will take off at the slightest provocation, but the willow under which it took off will not go anywhere even if buckshot.
mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
mircea_popescu: in this view then, duck is compact ; willow is fuckt.
Mocky: I guess I've recently gone through a few years worth of life compaction events, more shaking loose each time
mircea_popescu: so the kids are jealous of your advanced age.
mircea_popescu: ever heard the like of this before ?
Mocky: hey, is my secret weapon!
Mocky: by the time i'm down to nothing but a laptop, generator and waffle maker I'll rule the world
mircea_popescu: i have seen waffles baked in the sun!
mircea_popescu: handmade reflector!
Mocky: don't test me
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/brit-mma-fans-cucked-by-mammy-state-into-watching-pig/ << Qntra - Brit MMA Fans Cucked By Mammy State Into Watching Pig
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the sack full of gossipd relays
mircea_popescu: these qntra titles...
mircea_popescu: most successful at making me drop shit to see what the fuck now.
BingoBoingo: Well, nearing 4 years of practice
Mocky: what, do they have scrambled ota now?
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Not sure, but they alway required a license for OTA, usually enforced through being a flock of NPC non-people like the Uruguayos
BingoBoingo: Gotta pay the BBC somehow
Mocky: good idea with the sunglasses btw
BingoBoingo: I forgot to bring them when I left the habitacion module on the way to the feria. Didn't feel like turning back to retrieve them. 9 km later nursing a sun induced headache.
BingoBoingo: The local options all have lenses trivially tinted and put a blue cast on everything.
BingoBoingo: I am very tempted to price a fuckton of walmart/gas station spec sunglasses and bring them in, sell for 1500 pesos each to foreigners
Mocky: speaking of the sun, it's barely getting up to 80 degrees here anymore making short sleeved motorcycle rides iffy. If only there were some place warmer to go
Mocky: course I cant drive in qa, but looking forward to a second summer
BingoBoingo: I'm kinda curious how the local bikes compare over there.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not even a bad idea.
Mocky: which they are coming down of 105 degree summer to 90's autumn, so pretty good timing actually
mircea_popescu: Mocky why can't you drive in qa ?
Mocky: apparently not on a turist visa
mircea_popescu: get one of those international driver's certs.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I am thinking even if I only part with a pair every couple months, that would still be habitacion module power bill paid. Or if they don't sell I'll still have my gringo eyes protected.
Mocky: well only one week on turist visa, after that need resident permit or something. i may not have the full story
mircea_popescu: Mocky i somehow doubt you do ; but anyways.
BingoBoingo: mocky AAA does the US international driver certs, place to find out the rules is prolly going to be motorcycle store
Mocky: I saw there's a harley store in Montevideo. one in Doha as well
BingoBoingo: Qatar is probably car friendlier than Montevideo
mircea_popescu: course more practically, he's prolly selling rather than shipping the bike, and so...
BingoBoingo: Still, Honda Wave is sold just about everywhere but US-istan
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Harley is a rare site here. Anything over 120 cc really is not common
Mocky: shipping bike is loosing proposition, duties make it -ev unless you have expensive bike
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855943 << they are exceptionally good at a) misdirecting it and b) alloying it with just enough shit to make it shiteutectic.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:17 asciilifeform: my contention is that linuses are red herring, they are powerless to prevent sane engineering when the capable folx stand up.
mircea_popescu: neither a nor b are minor considerations.
mircea_popescu: Mocky i bet you better bike is to be found cheaper 2nd hand there than in the states.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-30#436976 << absent the fence, coulda been done vastly more quickly.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
mircea_popescu: the new world has some of the shittiest, most overpriced vehicles in the world. second only to their internet/comms.
mircea_popescu: is yumpo jumbo ?
BingoBoingo: I think it is a Chinese import?
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy.
Mocky: that reminds me of a 'bike' i saw in Austin last year
BingoBoingo: Yumbo and Chinese sounding brands here usually are half or more less than similar Honda/Yamaha models
Mocky: https://imgur.com/a/legqmjr complete with van seats, build in tool box and walker onthe back
BingoBoingo: Not bad
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes snapped a pic of a real lulzy one during his trip here
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 04:18 mircea_popescu: this is an important fucking point -- IF, and that is a humongously immense IF, we do not actually burn everyone down, that everyone gotta pay. and pay well.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:06 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in random lulz, https://image.ibb.co/mXNyEK/lulz.png
Mocky: also superbike championship will be going on while I'm there https://www.circuitlosail.com/events/2018-world-superbike-championship/
Mocky: which i've never been to, only watched on tv
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855977 << no fucking way, a simm phone is what, 7 bux
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 14:39 BingoBoingo: That works too. Just try to price phones there, it will likely be cheaper to pick up the cheap unlocked deal before you depart
mircea_popescu: stop trying to compute on phone, folks, seriously now. it's bad for your wrists and bad for your sanity. make waffles in waffle maker, phone on phone, computer on computer.
mircea_popescu: a waffle maker that can add is an unremarkable waffle maker and a very bad mathematician.
Mocky: computing on phone for me has a couple of big wins. one is my workout app with 5 years of weight lifting logs useful while in the gym ~every day. the other is weather app that shows rainfall prediction graph at your location by the minute for next hour. priceless info for biker
Mocky: and maps with turn by turn directions while on bike and can't handle a map...
mircea_popescu: i... guess.
mircea_popescu: can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856000 << i kinda don't follow the logic here ? i thought unlocking is a take-ownership-of-item-in-possession affair, what's the color of bits to do with anything ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 15:19 Mocky: asciilifeform, diana_coman: my phone's not paid off so can't unlock. maybe those hundies that could pay it off will find a better use in the short term, so that's why cheap second phone. and yeah, roaming turned off.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856041 << me (&chet) stopped overnight into one such item, on the mexico-guatemala border. endless halls of clean but modest beds, dozen or so to the room. place could've prolly quartered a whole regiment, but not the right agricultural moment so we were alone in the whole thing. it was pretty eerie anyways.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 17:54 Mocky: anyway I decided to skip the hostel cuz 100% indian laborer gulag barracks, and went for air bnb room with door lock and kitchen/laundry access
mircea_popescu: anyway, airbnb not necessarily bad, might be able to meet useful people too.
Mocky: re unlocking phone, hey if there was a reliable unlock procedure for my phone model I'd take it, but I've failed to find one. 'I don't really own it' is symmetrical with 'I haven't really paid for it'
mircea_popescu: paid whom ?
mircea_popescu: "i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking symmetry. only subjects capable of ownership are in the wot. there is no franchise, meaning no voice and no ~capacity of ownership~ outside of wort.
Mocky: at&t. they gave me the phone and I pay monthly. interest free loan basically
mircea_popescu: what's next, "i've not really paid wolf for forest" ?
mircea_popescu: they paid the homage that was due of them.
mircea_popescu: at&t, like any other usg agency, is not a business in any sense. it is a conduit whereby the usg pays people the rent it owes for the continuance of its (otherwise baseless) pretense to existence.
mircea_popescu: "welfare state". that's what the words mean.
Mocky: it's been a hell of a lot of me paying them and scant them paying me
mircea_popescu: this'd be entirely your issue, strange optics on your part.
mircea_popescu: there are also folk to go to the brothel to please the whores. it's not forbidden.
Mocky: but i imagine few who go into brothel and get paid by the whores
mircea_popescu: this is breaking the comparison.
Mocky: it does break the comparison. but I still don't see it
mircea_popescu: brothel objectively exists ; whores really are whores. some people go to theatre and pay the actors, IF THE ACTORS ARE THAT GOOD. but in general, most wanna-be actors PAY to be not-outright-thrown-offstage. like in both http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/#selection-69.246-69.505 and http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/#selection-69.0-73.177
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing an imaginary alt-usg "as it could have been". we are discussing the usg that is.
mircea_popescu: the usg that "is" gotta pay to continue to somewhat-get to claim it exists.
mircea_popescu: and pay to pay ; and pay to pay to pay.
asciilifeform eats l0gz...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856035 << fwiw despite BingoBoingo's 'exterminator's eye' view , not errything and errywhere is infested, asciilifeform for instance toured BingoBoingostan (and even the infamous hostel) for just short of week and not bitten 1ce
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 17:29 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chinches
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 18:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851082 << speaking of, i took off the 6am disconnect thing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856096 << actually even worse than this, but will elaborate in diff thread and only if somebody specifically insists
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:44 mircea_popescu: Mocky he means that he's too loose and fat to be able to take off for qatar on any budget he can conceive of.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856109 << am i the only one who read this title and thought 'they showed fat chix instead of boxer'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:51 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/brit-mma-fans-cucked-by-mammy-state-into-watching-pig/ << Qntra - Brit MMA Fans Cucked By Mammy State Into Watching Pig
Mocky: made me think of 'British PM fucks pig on live TV' from black mirror
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856134 << this is interesting : i dun think i saw even ONE adult motorcycle in BingoBoingostan, only those starvation-cheap chinese things
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:08 Mocky: I saw there's a harley store in Montevideo. one in Doha as well
asciilifeform: ( petrol is quite dear there, could be the reason )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:10 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-9-30#436976 << absent the fence, coulda been done vastly more quickly.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-30 19:20 mircea_popescu: the us is still very much a rural item, most dwellers tend to spread out roots like that. consider ben_vulpes 's been working for MONTHS at disentangling a household that includes no acres of 100 x 100 missile launch tubes, no train of slavegirls, nothing much more than the migration unit of great depression period.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:14 BingoBoingo: https://moto.mercadolibre.com.uy/MLU-456319930-yumbo-max-110cc-autom-_JM << Backbone of the local delivery fleets here
asciilifeform: leaf blower engine..
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:15 Mocky: https://imgur.com/a/legqmjr complete with van seats, build in tool box and walker onthe back
Mocky: driving down the street in the middle of austin like he owned the place
asciilifeform: Mocky: there's a commercial variant that's popular where i live, tricycle-motorcycle. all of the hospital bills, none of the vroom, i have nfi what is the appeal..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856181 << lol i was quite certain until today that this practice were extinct
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 21:23 Mocky: at&t. they gave me the phone and I pay monthly. interest free loan basically
asciilifeform: ( not esp. surprised that the lone surviver is at&t, the single worst bang-for-bux carrier in usa that i know of )
asciilifeform: phunphakt, it isn't even related to the infamous at&t monopoly, it is the thing formerly called 'cingular' in '90s, they simply purchased the trade name
Mocky: can-am's, trikes for old bikers who can't balance on two wheels anymore with bertha on the back
Mocky: or who can balance but nagged into extra stability wheel
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856140 << while i get mircea_popescu's angle of 'linus quisling, was always quisling then' , imho moar complicated, d00d did keep systemdism etc out of the kernel for 20yrs, somehow.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855943 << they are exceptionally good at a) misdirecting it and b) alloying it with just enough shit to make it shiteutectic.
asciilifeform: could have taken the 30 silvers and turned into esr in 1999, didn't.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856171 << btw after my voyages with navigate-by-pnoje and the attendant frustrations with shit reception / bw tolls, invested in cheapo wrist-sized passive satellite thing. 0 maps, but will take you to specific coordinates, save waypoints, etc
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 20:46 mircea_popescu: can't see the former as anything but "i stupidly gave my data away to some schmuckfarm which now owns me", but then again i don't solobike nor have any interest in navigating-by-map, either i know where i'm going or i'm exploring. but anyways, we don't have to copy each other.
asciilifeform: bring paper map.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1856179 << generally i dun buy crippleware unless i a) have or b) plan to bake (e.g. c101pa) a crack.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 21:22 mircea_popescu: "i didn't really pay for this book" is symmetrical with "amazon stole the item i bought out of my '''shelf'''", provided you use pantsuit definitions of the terms. since when the fuck is random usg asignee getting "paid" for shit some unrelated third party meanwhile deceased did ?
asciilifeform: life is too short for crippleware imho.
asciilifeform: paper map worx best if you have a fulltime navigator tho, in my experience.
asciilifeform: ( on voyage to BingoBoingostan, i left my navigator at home, then alternated between regretting it, and then thinking 'but i can go faster..' )
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform has longer legs and better stamina stat than his navigator )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz it was becoming a pain in the ass. always this work/reward paradigm, i tried it out for a while but eventually seemed meh.
asciilifeform: in other minor noose, 100% of blox since this morning on zoolag are from tbf/pizarro, with exception of 1, from mod6's 208.94.240.42.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, what was the orig logic
mircea_popescu: something term-limited sessions.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, seems a great way to go about things, theoretically.
asciilifeform: by my reckoning, if $client is porous, resetting it periodically won't help any moar than rebooting winblowz does; if not porous, then waste
asciilifeform: it does broadcast the fact that you still have yer key, there's that tho.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily a matter of client being porous, though it ~is~ freenode.
asciilifeform: ( personally i'd rather not trumpet 'oh he unsheaths key erry morning at 6', it tempts the white van. but mebbe justme)
mircea_popescu: eh, van schman. but yes, sitting down and thinking about it it became obvious enough that it's not all that clear to me neither what problem i'm supposedly solving nor why exactly what i'm doing is a solution. suddenly looked like so much wasted effort.
asciilifeform has entire zoo of systems like this, sometimes goes 'wtf' and tears one down, then weeks later remembers why built it...
mircea_popescu: entirely possibru
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 22:49 asciilifeform: paper map worx best if you have a fulltime navigator tho, in my experience.
mircea_popescu: if you don't know how to get to toilet, you have problems gizmos won't fix ; and if going anywhere else why the fuck are you by yourself.
asciilifeform: ya was made to work in full platoon. but one 'goes to war with army he has, not wished he had'(tm)
asciilifeform: witness e.g. Mocky , going deep behind lines alone.
asciilifeform: ( as did BingoBoingo )
BingoBoingo: Thankfully much of Montevideo fits in head
BingoBoingo: Because the locals are shit at giving directions
mod6: It seems like the BTC-Dev mailing list is still not working properly. I have posted the September State of Bitcoin Address to my own site in the mean time: http://www.mod6.net/2018/October/1/btcf_address_201809.txt
mod6: I'll be working on the Pizarro report over the next few days. After which time, I'll start looking into creating a keccak version of the TRB tree.
mod6: After a lot of consideration this weekend, I'm still interested in stepping down as Foundation Co-Chair.
mod6: I will do so formally after the Pizarro report is complete. We will be needing to find a replacement for myself as Co-Chair.
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=35 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/26/2018
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/qntra-s-qntr-september-2018-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) September 2018 Report
asciilifeform: mod6: i for one will be sad to see end of your tenure as tbf chair -- imho it was as productive as could ever be wished
asciilifeform: meanwhile in asciilifeform's trb observatory : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SEy0g/?raw=true << 'bastards' emitted by ( among others ) friendlies. really is imho bug, trb ought not to send bastards to trb.
asciilifeform: ( i expect the cure will be a 1liner, once i think of where exactly )
asciilifeform: i wonder whether hanbot is interested in taking up tbf chair .
mats: openstreetmap with predownloaded locality maps on android tablet works well
mats: no need for wifi, gsm
mircea_popescu: notbusiness.jpg
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is that getting a patch or what ?
hanbot: asciilifeform actually in principle i very much am interested. i'm not sure i fully grasp what it's supposed to do beyond making trb available tho'...if "fruit"'s so far unsatisfactory, what's good fruit look like?
mircea_popescu: hanbot you ever heard of stanford university ?
hanbot: surely
mircea_popescu: stanford university exists because a rich dood took some money out of his pocket, stuffed it in a bag and wrote "Stanford university" on it.
mircea_popescu: however, it ~actually exists~, today. plenty of people interact with it that might not even have heard of the douche in question or his insufferable drowned son
mircea_popescu: or w/e the fuck happened there.
mircea_popescu: this means, to live. if stanford university today were nothing more than an entry in the rich guy's lawyer's workledger, it'd not live. as it is, it lives.
mircea_popescu: (and, amusingly enough, the founding donation was a whole of a lot less than 10 bitcoin, also.)
hanbot: how much does the "person-ness" of those "people interact(ing) with it" matter, if at all?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
hanbot: i mean, is it meant to be a chute-to-l1 or simply doesn't get enough lifeform contact?
mircea_popescu: the stanford douche and his entire fambly, and his entire "business interest" ie life's work long withered away. stanford university still stands.
mircea_popescu: it still "exert an influence on behalf of humanity and welfare" bullshit pantsuit values as we speak.
mircea_popescu: make the foundation undo stanford university, i'll be happy.
mircea_popescu: even past the grave.
hanbot: oh i know how to undo stanford university, ya just walk around campus in a Cal sweatshirt.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit how. sponsor a sports team, for all i care. god knows the charter's written openly enough to not get in anyone's way who wants to do things.
mircea_popescu: organize a baby duck marathon competition and server the winner for a gala dinner. whatever it is, just make it stick.
hanbot: fwiw i don't doubt tbf as-is lacks legendary promise. i can also see argument for pushing as hard as its resources allow. i wonder: does the republic actually give two shits about e.g. sports teams? how much of this "means to an end" sorta thing is acceptable? or is it outright looked for?
mircea_popescu: i dunno!
mircea_popescu: do pantsuit actually give two shits about education establishments ? eminently not, they're the leading obscurantists of all time.
mircea_popescu: the difference between gimmicks is that some work and some don't ; nobody calls the stanford gimmick by its name for the exact same reason "treason never prospers". but the whole "enlightenment" pantsuit gambit, from the original d'alembert to the present day, was nothing but a gimmick.
hanbot: okay, but are gimmicks that work therefore good?
mircea_popescu: gimmicks are therefore gimmicks.
mircea_popescu: come up with some that grow rather than wither.
hanbot: inasmuch as tbf clearly has a soul i'd think being true to that trumps the potential growth offered by a given gimmick. otherwise why isn't it for instance spreading virii?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-01#1856273 << i dunno who's unsatisfied, but it aint me, i'd call another 4y exactly like prev 4y, a win
a111: Logged on 2018-10-01 03:24 hanbot: asciilifeform actually in principle i very much am interested. i'm not sure i fully grasp what it's supposed to do beyond making trb available tho'...if "fruit"'s so far unsatisfactory, what's good fruit look like?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, why isn't it spreading virii ?
mircea_popescu: spread some fucking virii. do somethbing rather than not do something.
hanbot: asciilifeform i'm not unsatisfied either. speaking merely to the recent questioning of tbf's purpose/existence/etc in logs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what'd that do, exactly ? give moar derps behind nat with ~useless noad?
mircea_popescu: doing things (as opposed to not doing things) permits one to compare results (as opposed to imagine comparisons of imagined results).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could've sworn we had the 'infect with trb' thread ..
mircea_popescu: i did not say "infect with trb".
asciilifeform: then i have nfi what specifically is meant re virii
mircea_popescu: me either. her term, she may define it.
mircea_popescu: what i said in response uses the black box as she might define it, irrespective.
asciilifeform: aa, a this
hanbot: mircea_popescu i grasp principle of something > nothing, but i'd hate to lose sight of the spirit in which tbf was founded for the sake of notoriety/sticking power alone. i'd think this is obvious and i'm by now belaboring the point...
mircea_popescu: gotta have both. that's the fucking point.
mircea_popescu: the man dwelling in an empty house saying "hey, at least my furniture's flawless" is no-one's hero.
mircea_popescu: conversely, the bower bird, no-one's hero either.
hanbot: sure. well, i'd want a day or two to sit with the charter & selected logs before committing, if the involved parties'll have me.
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