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mircea_popescu: phf the new york you know is not the new york i know.
mircea_popescu: i recall a time fashionistas used to be a californy item derrided on the ny-london axis, and sorta-kinda patronized in paris.
mircea_popescu: i also recall a time when a bunch of serb retards and a bunch of butthurt croats spent an afternoon pretending they can't understand each other "because speaking different languages" and "need translators". it was fucking hysterical.
mircea_popescu: ps. there is no such thing as "serbian" or "croatian" language. they both speak the same shitfuck.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there were roughly similar incidents with ru and ukr folx
mod6: mornin
mod6: !!up pipp8
deedbot: pipp8 voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: Ah, ok, so they ~do~ have a vendors area at Defcon now. But the registration period for defcon 26 closed April 1st.
mod6: Maybe something we can look at next year.
mod6: Was anyone else at DC10, 11 or 12?
asciilifeform: mod6: imho lolcons are a good way to get two dozen customers... erry single one of whom will be a usg provocateur
mod6: i kinda suspect the same thing.
mod6: anyway, was a thought. I'd like to perhaps continue this line of thinking though ; figuring out ways to help drive some signups.
mircea_popescu: mod6 honestly, if i thought any of this is worth doing i'd do it. from actual experience and as far as i can myself see so far, besides fetlife there's no utility in the fiat bubble-makers.
mircea_popescu: consider this comes from someone who's systematically owned okcupid&every other "dating" "platform", askfm, reddit etc -- every other "social media" platform, who was doing put-flyers-on-posts ~a decade ago~ and just as systematically and so on.
mircea_popescu: and even given this, in order to convert fetlife leads into utility you actually need a dungeon, and the other slavegirls and you know, being the guy whio actually built all that.
mod6: wb.
mod6: thanks for your input. perhaps, the grass-roots thing is the way to go. ``talk to people''.
mircea_popescu: and furthermore -- the "only fetlife" item does not follow from anything personal -- mp is a perv, whatever. it follows from the objective. everything else, even should you acrete something, will be http://trilema.com/2010/problema-cu-crestinii/#comment-126101 << this moron,
mircea_popescu: or if you prefer, douchebag or zx2c4 or kanzure or whatever. the postmodern world consists of a bunch of "directors" (in their own mind) who might maybe consider giving ~you~ a role in their WoWoW thing they've got going -- in their skull.
mircea_popescu: and we're not talking a bunch of little viscontis running around. they're all sorely unqualified to direct breakfast, and this makes exactly 0 impression on their multifolded narcissism. because qualification doesn't even exist, wtf, their qualification is existence, rite.
mircea_popescu: yet from the other hand, as true as the foregoing may well be, the question "and what's one do to, live in the bubble he was born and die there also ?" stands, of course.
mod6: yeah, "mommy said I can do anything"
mircea_popescu: after all, what is http://trilema.com/2012/la-terra-trema/ if not the story of some guy trying to escape acitrezza. so i have no beef with the idea in principle, and on teh contrary, i do believe erryone should try whatever sounds good. who knows, maybe we're missing something.
mircea_popescu: mod6 practically speaking, the only important difference between the "7 bn people alive!!!" and the "n trillion people dead" is that the corpses don't usually use up resources.
mircea_popescu: it's difficult however to illustrate just how deeply the self-delusions go. i mean, by example : changed4good 21F Little "Now why would i serve you? You havent earned my submission. In fact i dont know you one bit and clearly you dont know me by your comment." LordMPofTMSR "'Earned' your submission ? Get over yourself. The fact that you don't know me is a) your fault of which b) you should be ashamed and c) working to remedy
mircea_popescu: somehow this plain fact is not merely not obvious, but its landing hits like a mallet, "omfg, you seriously mean my own maturation is my own fucking task before the world ?! kids gotta learn how to walk, it's their job, really ?! i thought nobody had any jobs, we just swing in the tide like algae blooms!"
mod6: These are pretty eye-opening. Heheh.
mircea_popescu: the cult of inutility wishes to salute you.
mod6: I don't know shit about BDSM, but I'd gather if one slut wants to submit, she wants to submit. Not have a debate about how someone needs to earn the submission.
mod6: Maybe 'wants' doesn't even figure into it, for that matter.
mod6: Just, sub-slut does as commanded. Or is not a sub-slut.
mircea_popescu: (for completeness, the response, too long to fit in the usual style : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BGbUw/?raw=true tl;dr of course http://trilema.com/an-examination-of-conflict item ; in this case "i don't want to join a cult" stands for "i am already a proud member of the cult of inutility and won't be getting out".
mircea_popescu: mod6 well yes but wot, mate. if she dun know you ?
asciilifeform: lol the whole notion, that there's this 'outside of cult'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, as a scientist i have left all biases behind!
mircea_popescu: note the "as an X" device, because indeed nothing's quite as juicy as self0irony
mod6: mircea_popescu: fair enough
mod6: bbs, meat
mircea_popescu: anyway : a) even when it works, ie, you have all the (expensive! extensive!) toolset to convert seawater uranium into actual rods, b) you're talking ppm at best, and c) lulzbricks come 100:1 if not 1000:1.
mircea_popescu: (but, for having teh blog, i am in a position to derive a little bit of ev out of the overabundant lulzcow, also!)
mircea_popescu: so in short & in conclusion : building a dechumpatron very much open problem, precisely because (unlike chumpatrons!) it proposes to go ~against~ thermodynamics.
mircea_popescu: ie, it is a proper machine, rather than chucka-ism.
mircea_popescu: open problem as it may be, it is certainly a fact that the only way to power the going against thermodynamics is ~by the chump's own internal state~. which is the practical & useful meaning of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828126 "the curse".
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:26 Mocky: ok well, thanks. hopefully that doesn't curse me. but also i "have" "bitcoin" in various dark markets that i want to actually own and I don't trust them to send accurate decimal to trinque's walletron
mircea_popescu: and as far as can be discerned, the only chumps in an internal state compatible with de-chumpifying are in the bdsm scene. but i'd ~love~ to hear of others.
mircea_popescu: (however, i do not suspect there are, for the following reason : the bdsm scene consists today of 1% kinksters and 99% girls and women looking for a dechumpatron. ~all the kids who in a normal world'd have been moving things ended up there, seems like, and this is very good indicator that there's not other boxes available)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the foregoing isn't some kind of major discovery -- everyone's solution to civilisation was "gotta use orc's own forces", from the latins to the 1800s folk. cuz obviously.
mircea_popescu: but in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830163 : consider that inca didn't come up with this, but rather it is entirely supported by, and a product of, the cultists of inutility own' busybox processes. girl says "X is A TACTIC USED BY ABUSERS!!111" without skipping a beat ; and the observation that eating -- also "tactic used by abusers" doesn't ripple her smooth surfaces at any point.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 16:45 asciilifeform: in reich courts, facts are entirely optional, 'mens rea' suffices, 'he thought it was a genuine death ray', 'he bought the sugar from usg agent thinking it was cocaine, guilty of 25 pound of cocaine, 25 to life, next' etc.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830674 << goldmine of lulz btw. e.g. '"And This Is It?" - What Went Wrong with Surveillance Reform After Snowden' ;
a111: Logged on 2018-06-29 03:26 phf: https://hope.net//schedule.html for expert entomologists
asciilifeform: 'Autocrypt is a user-centered, developer-driven effort to make a set of standards that support convenient, usable, easily-adoptable end-to-end encrypted email. With multiple email programs participating, they aim to make interoperable tools that actual humans can easily use...'
asciilifeform: 'Chelsea Manning Onstage Interview'
asciilifeform: 'Introduction to User Freedom... ...the four freedoms of free software...'
mircea_popescu: eyewatering.
asciilifeform: 'Online Monitoring of the Alt-Right... ...The discussion will include some of the tooling that developed to monitor the alt-right and their online communities: both online and off. Also included will be coverage of the analysis that was performed alongside Unicorn Riot on analyzing thousands of leaked Discourse chats, as well as a dictionary of alt-right terms and memes that Caroline has been assembling...'
asciilifeform: 'The Sex Geek Returns: Hacking Plus Human Sexuality AMA... ...I’m A Queer, Non-Binary, Disabled Trans Femme Originally From Missouri Who Makes Their Own Geeky Sex Toys...'
asciilifeform: and, for the gold crown, 'Snowden’s Critical Fuckin’ Flaw... Back in the good old days of 2015, Shami Chakrabarti wrote an opinion piece for The Guardian, stating that Edward Snowden "is a hero." She claimed that saying so didn’t make her an apologist for terror; it made her a firm believer in democracy and the rule of law. Many saw and still see it this way... Johannes thinks a fatal misconception is going on, and that we have
asciilifeform: to talk about it because way too many people step on this ideological turd..'
mircea_popescu: what, captive in 2013 ?
asciilifeform: evidently
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/lets-duckduckgo-a-little-see-what-comes-out/ << Trilema - Let's duckduckgo a little, see what comes out.
mircea_popescu: ^ speaking of, might be interesting exercise for the curious.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last week i did a brief hand-cranked version of this experiment, with similar result ( e.g. cr50 , several other subjs dead to google, reliably finds asciilifeform's www )
asciilifeform: approx on par with yandex.
asciilifeform routinely uses yandex to dig up old trilemas on keyword
mircea_popescu: experimentally ~same situation on google, for trilema, statistically. i suspect not specifically, though (ie, the space between this 13% and that 13% is not random but carefully hand-selected) but im too lazy to check this.
asciilifeform: google suffers from buncha more or less obviously hand-curated deadspots
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one interesting tidbit is that trilema autoresolves titles, so if you remember that, you can always go trilema.com/lets-duckduck and it'll take you home.
asciilifeform: ( almost to the point that one can determine what subjects are in index librorum prohibitorum... )
mircea_popescu uses this extensively
asciilifeform: right, worx great
mircea_popescu: but yes, re evident hand-curated blind spots. they're "having a conversation" over there
asciilifeform: if errry 'google engineer' is eaten by chechens tonight, it won't be a day too soon
mircea_popescu: chechens -- full.
asciilifeform sings anthem...
asciilifeform: them soft vowels are a 1st class bitch btw
mircea_popescu: i'm still digesting this nonsense whereby some fucktard from missouri thinks saying the right words in the big city will turn his passion for inserting corn cobbs / other farm-bound implements into some kind of new life.
asciilifeform: fuckjing martian langs. jp is pretty simple by comparison.
mircea_popescu: if all you wanted to do was shove the cobs up your butthole... why even leave missouri ?!
asciilifeform: recall hanbot's tale with the corn.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather not!
asciilifeform: btw re 'oil-impregnated wood', recall the porous bronze thing ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519905 & elsewhere ) , 20th c riff on that ancient tech.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 20:33 asciilifeform: i was recently reading about 'oilite', a type of self-lubricating bronze, that is still made in usa. the factory where it was originally produced, owned by chrysler corp., lived in the '30s. today it is a ruin, rats live in it. oilite is still made, in usa, but for how long - i have nfi, at some point it will become difficult to find people who will follow the ritual (yes, to savages, industry is ritual) and it will sail off to china
mircea_popescu: this is a major materias science topic.
asciilifeform: incl in somewhat unexpected places ( talk to folx making vessels for liquid he, where pretty much all metals are porous )
mircea_popescu: for instance. but widely applicable. for instance -- did you know gekko ~skin~ is actually bactericidal ? most gram-negatives fail to survive the contact.
mircea_popescu: the cause is related to that "On the basis of the model, each linseed oil molecule appears to displace 90 water molecules and occupy 6 hydrogen bonding sites in the wood."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ameritards copied the tech, made 'bactericidal plastics' for just about errything in household, guaranteeing the proud owner a high quality gram-positive experience..
mircea_popescu: what can you do.
asciilifeform: upstack, moar lol, e.g. 3 past-pefect tenses. reminds of hungarian.
asciilifeform: *perfect
mircea_popescu: romanian also has them.
asciilifeform: canhaz example?
mircea_popescu: there's three futures (plain future, perfect future, future-in-the-past) and a counterfactual tense (techniucally, also a future).
mircea_popescu: and there's like 7 pasts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alright, with examples :
asciilifeform: 'counterfactual' -- subjunctive, in eng terminology
asciilifeform: errybody has that one
mircea_popescu: no, romanian has that separately.
mircea_popescu: conjunctive ("eu sa fac") vs putative ("eu as face") and perfect putative (eu as fi facut).
mircea_popescu: approximately, "i'd be doing"/"i should be doing" vs "i would/could/might/etc be doing" vs "i w/c/m/etc have done".
mircea_popescu: and eys the conjunctive has a perfect (eu sa fi facut)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, leaving these nonpredicative perfects aside : imperfect (eu faceam) ; composed perfect (eu am facut) ; pluperfect (eu facusem) and simple perfect (eu facui)
diana_coman: known best from "facui si dresei, cu nimic nu m-alesei" :P
asciilifeform: eh these correspond to earthing, i.e. делаю , сделал бы, я бы сделал , as i understand
mircea_popescu: well yes.
asciilifeform: *earthling
mircea_popescu: except you have 3 and i listed 4.
asciilifeform: can haz demo that hinges on the 4th ?
mircea_popescu: ma dusei la mindra-n sura si-i copsei o tochitura ?
mircea_popescu: check me out, i even poetry.
asciilifeform: lol neat
mircea_popescu: [approximately, i went into my girlfriend's hay warehouse and fried her some stu]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can reliably distinguish philologist from plain romanian, as the latter's not going to be able to produce the simple perfect form for the "a coace" verb.\
mircea_popescu: because yes, romanian may have 4 past perfects + a bunch of past conjunctives, putatives, supines and whatnot. and they're even intensionally distinct. but this dun mean most speakers can even notice the distinctions.
asciilifeform: the spammer folx who originally started asciilifeform on rotaku career, i suspect were not quite philologists.
mircea_popescu: you think ?
asciilifeform: experience similar to doing goethe after 'hande hoch, hitler kaput' de
asciilifeform: asciilifeform in particular is fascinated with the mega-puzzler of how the fuck pieces reliably fall off a lang. e.g. ru lost vocative case, but, say , czech, still has it
asciilifeform: any idjit can tell that the spring unwinds, e.g. the english lost good chunk of what i think of as basic moving parts of their lang, didn't even take 500 yr. but what ~winds~ the spring ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the simple perfect is deeply linked to [popular] poetry, such as say http://trilema.com/2014/maramu/
mircea_popescu: this because it's very strictly phonetically confined, so it works well for the continuation of classical poetry. because yes, ro has its own, unknwon, carmina buranas.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, patriarchy ?
asciilifeform: e.g. jp has only handful of tenses, and lacks ( just as cn ) noun genders or distinction b/w singular/plural
mircea_popescu: one of the principal drivers of my cultural suspicion of the yellow folk.
mircea_popescu: wtf, genderless language ~= idiocy.
trinque: asciilifeform: don't they do number with "particles" ?
asciilifeform: trinque: they do.
asciilifeform: lotsa lotsa particles.
trinque: I can kinda squint and see stems and inflection in that
asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand , all of the 'agglutinative' langs (e.g. turkish) work this way.
trinque: what is it, "wo" is I, "wo men" is we. "wo men de" is our.
trinque: if they had a proper writing system, might be womende by now
asciilifeform: trinque: they have not 1 but 2 'proper' systems, just slow to switch.
asciilifeform: sorta the 'c++ problem'. 'i learned 15000 hieroglyphs and so will you, boy'
asciilifeform: iirc mcarthur originally planned to ban hieroglyphs, but ended up relenting
trinque: depends on whether that barrier is keeping the right folks ~illiterate
asciilifeform: trinque: they seem to like their wall, aha
asciilifeform: sorta how even the english folx resist phonetization
asciilifeform: for, i suspect, same reason
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-27#388828 << i do not think that this line of business is worth pursuing further, and will tender my resignation for mismanagement if folks want it for the wasted time/effort. sifting the midden pile of the internet for people who worry about five dollars a month for hosting flies in the face of everything i've learned in #trilema about coming anywhere near the
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-27 02:56 ben_vulpes: during the day: sweat! during the night: sweat! but also stare at the ceiling
ben_vulpes: public. i have high hopes that the rockchip will be a thing people even want, but i'm clearly out of my depth on marketing to the great wide web.
mircea_popescu: teh republic needs a whole bunch of managers, as it turns out.
ben_vulpes: i am unable to distinguish advertising scamolade from the genuine article. i've reached out to an altcoin forum about advertising directly, and to some folks who pump ICOs to see about getting into their designers hosting pipelines, all to zero avail. not to mention that just looking at their existing websites makes me nauseous.
ben_vulpes: i suspect that the tidal wave of people who only understand poking buttons has drowned out the tiny sample of people who even know how to work ftp, and are being 'served' (as the main course, naturally) by facebook/wix etc
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, an organized article about all this that can be linked later for its datapoints would certainly not be a waste, neh ?
mircea_popescu: your 2014 or what was it v piece still regularly linked today.
asciilifeform: still the definitive, imho, work on the subj
mircea_popescu: 2016. why do i think we had v four years ago ?!
mircea_popescu: sometimes it feels like forever ; then one checks and it's been 1mn unixtimes or so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform routinely misremembers having v 4y ago. prolly because we were already doing signed chains of patches since day0 of trb. hand-cranked v.
mircea_popescu: i guess. if it's natural it's also permanent or how it went.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you recall, v was asciilifeform's concession to 'no i dunwanna pedal the reactor rods with bare feet' of the other folx.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/us-removes-korean-occupation-headquarters-from-seoul/ << Qntra - US Removes Korean Occupation Headquarters From Seoul
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/senegal-and-akon-collaborate-on-a-crypto-wakanda-metropolis/ << Qntra - Senegal And Akon Collaborate On A "Crypto Wakanda" Metropolis
mircea_popescu: ghahahaha
BingoBoingo: The Wakanda lulz just keep on rolling in
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/so-whats-out-there/ << Trilema - So what's out there ?
asciilifeform: 'if anyone could tell me the real reason we have imaginary numbers that would be great!' << lol!!
asciilifeform: la ce imi serveste mie radicalurile !!1111
mircea_popescu: it's just... there's a bit from tlp linked in there, "truth dun matter, what's important is the subject"
mircea_popescu: which is why they're so unprepared for it when they bite a "shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down" steel girder.
mircea_popescu: "we have". he means he.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830836 << hey, so should I cease sifting of the ocean? i.e. does Pizarro no longer wish to pursue selling shared hosting?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-29 18:50 ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-6-27#388828 << i do not think that this line of business is worth pursuing further, and will tender my resignation for mismanagement if folks want it for the wasted time/effort. sifting the midden pile of the internet for people who worry about five dollars a month for hosting flies in the face of everything i've learned in #trilema about coming anywhere near the
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-06-27 02:56 ben_vulpes: during the day: sweat! during the night: sweat! but also stare at the ceiling
lobbes: Otherwise I have no problem continuing, though I have had 0 success thus far. I totally get the nausea aspect though; example of a post I had to muster 3 paragraphs to respond to in order to reach the 10 'non-fluff' post count threshold to be allowed to post an advertisement >> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1710421
mircea_popescu: lobbes but did you publish anything anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you appreciate this, at all, but consider : i follow fetlife for ~purely private~ reasons. on my own time, off my own money, for the lulz/orgasms of my own girls, and so on. yet i've published multiple articles including summaries, schematics, various discussions, on it goes. on the other hand, a bunch of you guys have been involved in a very comparable effort for about as long, and if tomorrow you put out ten thou
mircea_popescu: sand words on the topic you'll maybe achieve 20% of the sum total ?
mircea_popescu: is this sort of imbalance sane to any view ?
lobbes: mircea_popescu, once I finally get my dang blog working properly :P
mircea_popescu: this is not an answer.
mircea_popescu: what is this claim to an activity that can't be explained ? in what sense is it activity ?
lobbes: to the question of "have you published anywhere?" the answer is "no"
mircea_popescu: "it is impossible then for us to help you".
lobbes: I will work to address this
lobbes: aye
lobbes: okay, I must get this blog functioning pronto. I have defined that problem at least, after our last discussion (established connections were simply exceeding apache max workers)
mircea_popescu: and it ~may~ be the case that the actual definition of work is "that activity in which others can help you" plainly and directly.
lobbes: this makes sense, otherwise solipsism
mircea_popescu: something like that.
hanbot: fwiw, i recall seeing sales progress reports from lobbes in #pizarro multiple times
lobbes: maybe more like that trilema I read somewhere, and it resolved that old question "if a tree falls yadda yadda, does it make a sound?" "no, because sound has a explicit meaning"
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not saying he's a bad person. i'm trying to get this thing going whereby it actually works.
lobbes: well for now, a rough report on my actions thus far >> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Gg8cU/?raw=true
lobbes: formal to come
mircea_popescu: dropped ads: << did they have tracking ?
lobbes: what do you mean by tracking? as in it alerts poster if movement?
mircea_popescu: for instance, cheap trick based on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-29#1830756 : if i'm curious whether some slut does click a link, i just use a shorter version, then it's evident in the logs if she did. but anything works for this purpose, adding a &hurrdurr say, you can then grep for it in the weblogs.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-29 18:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one interesting tidbit is that trilema autoresolves titles, so if you remember that, you can always go trilema.com/lets-duckduck and it'll take you home.
mircea_popescu: so then you can say not merely "dropped ads" but things more detailed. like say http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/
lobbes reads
mircea_popescu: other than that, the other comment is, maybe you/whole thing could benefit from automation.
mircea_popescu: eg : ask ~every single blogger on wordpress.com~ whether they wouldn't like their own hosting. you know those shitheels a) conspire to fuck up the internet and b) fleece the poor noobs something fierce. why not hurt an imperial outfit while helping some rando anontards ?
lobbes: aha I see
lobbes: yeah, automation does seem to be the answer to the sifting of the ocean problem. hard to sift through an entire ocean with a coffee mug
mircea_popescu: moreover a) why would you even try if not because you're deliberately preparing the design of a trawler and want to get the minutia correct ; and
mircea_popescu: b) how would anyone observing intuit the distinction between happy case when a) above and sad case when you actually intend to work the ocean by hand-on-mug ?
mircea_popescu: this is why publishing and the resulting discussion is so crucial for any sort of desirable result, there's just no way to know what you need help with otherwise.
lobbes: makes sense. and with that, /me takes notes and heads to blog reactor room.
hanbot: "Winner must provide a signed prize acceptance and a W-9 before receiving prize." ahahahaha this trilema piece is throwing me between fits of glee and rage
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing "bash against andreessen's webshit", here's an instagram castrator : curl https://www.instagram.com/slut/ | tr '\n' ' ' | sed 's${"src":"$\n$g' | sed 's$}],"$\n$g' | grep '"config_width":640' | sed 's$","config_width":640,"config_height":640$>$g' | sed 's$^$<img src=$' > slut.html
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