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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc the track record of folx given 'easy' coin early in their life as a wotperson, is poor
asciilifeform: e.g. kanzure
mircea_popescu: oh , he got anything ?
asciilifeform: you gave him whole coin !
asciilifeform: sight unseen
mircea_popescu: but yeah, i guess it's becoming quite the antisignal huh.
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu also gave asciilifeform whole coin in 2012. but bahaha asciilifeform gave it back with interest. so duncount!111 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you and the blondy chick. recall her ?
asciilifeform: hm which one
asciilifeform: she did even better , yea
mircea_popescu: 2013, softer market.
lobbes: phew. I tell you, if there's one thing a dumbphone is good for it is for keeping up with mega-logs while out and about
mircea_popescu: i believe.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824467 <- hm, that sounds more like a guarantor of sorts than an arbiter?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:08 asciilifeform: phf: i need an arbiter so as to give players some amt of confidence that rules will not change underneath them.
spyked: revisiting the allwinner arm blobulism discussion for a moment (re. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-08#1821639 and maybe other threads). I've looked at the olimex shithub repo ( https://github.com/OLIMEX/DIY-LAPTOP/tree/master/SOFTWARE/A64-TERES ) and there are indeed some binaries that I can't trace to any source, namely: the kbd firmware and the 'scp.bin' blob. olimex also include a boot0.bin (no idea why, since this is also generated
a111: Logged on 2018-06-08 13:41 asciilifeform: re upstack -- i do not currently have an 'allwinner', cannot comment re its uboot definitively.
spyked: by uboot) and a 'bl31.bin' (again, no idea why, bl31 "secure runtime" crap is part of arm bsp).
spyked: I've also found some work aimed at replacing some blobs ( https://github.com/crust-firmware/crust ), but I've currently no way of checking whether that really works (don't have an allwinner board atm), so this is where my digging stopped.
mircea_popescu: spyked, ill tell you why. cuz most "geeks" that are "interested" can't compile anything.
mircea_popescu: if you include the bins they get to play-pretend along. MOAR USERS
mircea_popescu: scp.bin prolly implements scp (securecopy)
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824587 dpb sent the crate to me, don't remember whether he kept some. i planned hosting, recently found out the designated "colo" place got rainwater leaks, postponed
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 00:53 mircea_popescu: dood, danielpbarron had like a whole crate of them.
mircea_popescu: jurov, don't worry about it or anything, i mostly use it as an ideal construct to smack alf over the head with educationally.
spyked: mircea_popescu, that's what I thought too, but it's a different item. apparently a binary for separate core in allwinner SoCs, http://linux-sunxi.org/AR100 prolly their version of fritz chip.
mircea_popescu: i confess my guess was based on ~nothing.
spyked: (I also have no idea what "scp" would stand for in this case. fun fact: all the open sourced bits for "sunxi" SoCs are full of comments in chinese, so they could have named it 馬公雞, same thing)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, some chick named her account illuminaughty.
mircea_popescu: intelligence and a working intellect exist online like uranium in the fucking sea. "it's definitely there!" "really ? go get some ?" "ummm...."
mircea_popescu: !!up loper_os_cr50
deedbot: loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: aand who might you be, loper_os_cr50
asciilifeform: spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824913 << i picked rockchip for the arm64 experiments ~specifically~ for not having this.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 12:56 spyked: mircea_popescu, that's what I thought too, but it's a different item. apparently a binary for separate core in allwinner SoCs, http://linux-sunxi.org/AR100 prolly their version of fritz chip.
asciilifeform: ( and not, as some might think, using a dartboard, lol )
asciilifeform: allloser chipset -- suxx.
spyked: yeah. well, as to how it specifically sux, it's now in the logs. prev. discussions had me believing that it's a potential alternative to the rockchip.
asciilifeform: !!up loper_os_cr50_
deedbot: loper_os_cr50_ voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: loper_os_cr50_: hello ?
asciilifeform: spyked: it is an alternative, of sorts. but quite intel-like in re blobulism, is the idea.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824918 << eh U in the sea is ~plentiful~ in comparison !
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 13:07 mircea_popescu: intelligence and a working intellect exist online like uranium in the fucking sea. "it's definitely there!" "really ? go get some ?" "ummm...."
asciilifeform: ( you can reliably get it out! merely -ev energywise )
mircea_popescu: i... also can...
mircea_popescu: scaling encounters some problems.
asciilifeform: 'world's greatest magician cannot pull a rabbit out of a hat unless the rabbit is actually in the hat' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: it's there, they're just all effectually crippled. like dood that has enough sense to not try going at it without fume hood who nevertheless doesn't enough sense to recognize that "you asked for it" is a very poor excuse indeed for registering an expired key.
asciilifeform: lol maybe he read our mega-thread re how gpg expiration is bogus
mircea_popescu: it's the exact equivalent of "aluminum is not available in the crust [because it's chemically bound with crap so strongly we don't know how to tear it apart [until electrolysis is made possible by cheap electricity]]".
mircea_popescu: "even the greatest magician can't produce metallic aluminum from sample until he has hydro plant"
asciilifeform: aha, similar. ( in washington there is a gigantic monument , tipped with fist-sized piece of aluminum, pre-electrolysis / alcoa co. , when it was priceless ; prior to being installed on monument, thing was exhibited in new york, folx were permitted to... step over it, in a museum, 'i stepped over washington's monument!11' )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 13:06 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, some chick named her account illuminaughty.
mod6: mornin'
phf: Vexual: didn't make it all the way to catskills, Shawangunk "the gunks" Ridge
asciilifeform: meanwhile , in sad noose, cr50 apparently would be a 1st-class bitch to fully replace, it ( among errything else ) also does the power brick negotiation thing
asciilifeform: ( usb-c bricks output no voltage until elaborately asked, via somewhat gnarly serial protocol )
asciilifeform: granted, the details are all in the sores.
asciilifeform: 'smart' power supplies, srsly, plague
mircea_popescu: it really should be discouraged.
asciilifeform: discouraged lol. it's a pestilence.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather have replacement brick than entertain this.
asciilifeform: i'd like a whole replacement machine, sure.
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, the 'now you can charge from ordinary usb!' was a bait-and-switch crock of shit, plugging usb-c into ordinary usb doesn't supply even 10% of the needed current, what the thing does with its brick is to negotiate a much higher voltage, up to iirc 40v )
asciilifeform: admittedly the brick is a standard part, rather than a googlism. but still ugly.
mircea_popescu: this "smart" things trend is fucking intolerable.
asciilifeform: there was an earlier version of this lul, where it had a credit card reader and retractable spikes, but i cannot now find it, it was from early age of drmism
asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised that it didn't take off commercially.
asciilifeform: fritz chip, when senator fritz first demanded it, was seen as ~equally sad joke. but nao life.
mircea_popescu: i find it SO fucking infuriating the all-soviet pioneer morons actually go about pretending like that idiocy is ~anything but~ the most laughable thing ever...
mircea_popescu: really, it's fucking time to express how this bs is not socially acceptable by social exclusion, ostracism and violence.
mircea_popescu: no fucking tolerance for the pantsuit jesus fucking christ wtf.
asciilifeform: the time was 1995 or so.
asciilifeform: today the tumour is the size of a beagle, and the patient is almost nowhere to be seen
mircea_popescu: hey, i beat hippies in the 90s until my hands fell off.
mircea_popescu: somehow apparently they all went home to sulk and make tardbook accounts.
asciilifeform: and asciilifeform in his old flat killed vermin with poison, traps, in the end with own hands and crowbar, didn't reduce population of mice and rats in the city noticeable.
asciilifeform: *noticeably
asciilifeform: seems like the approach has limitations
mircea_popescu: yeah, the limitation being all the fucktarded nurturing idiots in the "civilised world".
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch."
BingoBoingo: Reddit bags and live reddit bagcams
mircea_popescu: instead of telling daughter how she'd better take 1st place at tailhooker's coed beauty contest if she wants any supper, there she was "raising awareness" about "equality in the workplace". well now!
BingoBoingo: Al Gore, end of History!
BingoBoingo: In other parasites: "The University of Oxford is being mocked for an email in which administrators suggested that the "highly developed social conscience" of students draws homeless people to the city of Oxford"
mircea_popescu: paduche la paduche trage.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in intelisms, 'the content of FP registers owned by another process can be speculatively detected...' etc
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824947 << heh, of course i just received mine today.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 15:15 asciilifeform: meanwhile , in sad noose, cr50 apparently would be a 1st-class bitch to fully replace, it ( among errything else ) also does the power brick negotiation thing
asciilifeform: phf: didja build the snake ?
phf: started yesterday evening, haven't finished yet. probably today or tomorrow
asciilifeform: it's still conceivable that we find overflow in tty or spi slave etc handlers, or the like
phf: well, if we don't, i'll see if i can get an unlock through corporate channels, and just use it as a one off machine
asciilifeform: and i'm still curious what an elephant-killing dose of gamma would do to the cr50.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-11 15:46 asciilifeform: one interesting observation, is that the update mechanism lets you flash in arbitrary crapola into 'rw' section ( it simply won't jump to it if it doesn't pass rsa(sha256(payload)) ) . so theoretically could put a nop sled there, ending with jump into the magic half of unlock routine. and then expose the thing to beta/gamma, and perhaps in a few months it will Do The Right Thing
asciilifeform: phf: i was thinking of producing a coupla dozen snakes, to hand out to people, but per yesterday's mircea_popescu thread it seems not to be worth it
phf: asciilifeform: i think you _might've_ misunderstood the thread. the point seem to have been not so much that the whole attempt is pointless, but it's the framing that was questionable. if you make a couple of snakes and send them at own expense to interested l1/l2, i don't see how it won't be worthwhile. we just don't have any idle reversers, who want to take a stab at it for the lulz, available at the moment.
asciilifeform: possibly
asciilifeform: any folx in l1 who would like to saw away at c101pa but lack the snake ? plox to write in .
asciilifeform: l2, even.
asciilifeform: iirc i pointed this out in recent past, same snake can be used to tickle recent intel boxes also. ( but i have not explored this. )
asciilifeform: pretty much every machine with usb-c, afaik, will respond to it.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. certain 'android' pnojes )
phf: asciilifeform: "Sadly, the result of loading this URL was… a _a_ GMail login prompt. So I log in with a GMail account, and get:"
asciilifeform: phf: fixed, ty
asciilifeform: phf: out of curiosity, what didja mean re 'corporate channels' ?
asciilifeform: got insider in the belly of the beast?
asciilifeform: afaik they dun sell rma codes for money
asciilifeform: ( unlike, say, certain pnoje makers, where you ~can~ ransom the unlock )
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that the 'rma unlock' thing is used during factory refurb, so asus et al prolly have it
phf: asciilifeform: i suspect chromeos partner console is on a need to have basis. if it's just oem partners, then i'm out of luck, but if there's some flexibility there, then yes, there are official channels
asciilifeform: phf: see if you can get 1, if can also get 2... it'd be useful for glitching experiments
asciilifeform: ...and potentially for dpa experiment. rma unlock , turns out , generates a disposable seekrit ( good for N tries, i fughet what N is ) , encrypts to google's ecc pubkey, and expects to be given the magic string back, to unlock
asciilifeform: in a rigged fw, could run this routine and watch for dpa correlates.
asciilifeform: the 'add 5% random NOPs during hashing' is not a watertight pill against dpa.
asciilifeform: but would need at least 1 actually popped cr50 chip, to tune the probe.
asciilifeform: if one could guess the 32byte magic even 0.01% of the time, could unlock a unit in a day or three.
asciilifeform: likewise, with a popped unit it will be possible to take multi-GB samples of the onboard rng, and examine this.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'The signature verification routine in Enigmail 2.0.6.1, GPGTools 2018.2, and python-gnupg 0.4.2 parse the output of GnuPG 2.2.6 with a “--status-fd 2” option, which allows remote attackers to spoof arbitrary signatures via the embedded “filename” parameter in OpenPGP literal data packets, if the user has the verbose option set in their gpg.conf file.'
asciilifeform: and '...interprets user ids as status/control messages and does not correctly keep track of the status of multiple signatures, which allows remote attackers to spoof arbitrary email signatures via public keys containing crafted primary user ids.' etc
asciilifeform actually bought some matte and prepared what he thought was the traditional чифир-style tea, on coming home from BingoBoingo , was woozy for whole day
BingoBoingo: It can do that
asciilifeform: amazing, sometimes, what people will drink.
BingoBoingo: Definitely, out of curiosity what kind of Yerba was it?
asciilifeform: dunno, box was labeled simply 'matte'
BingoBoingo: Any stick and twigs?
asciilifeform: definitely sticks, twigs.
BingoBoingo: Ah, Argentino crap
asciilifeform: classic chifir material.
BingoBoingo: The uruguayos prefer a stronger hit, nothing but leaves and powder
BingoBoingo: But, a big difference is they don't boil the mate water with toxic plant material already inside it
asciilifeform: i didn't either, lol
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 19:04 asciilifeform: classic chifir material.
phf: even back in shalamov days they made it "со слоном"
asciilifeform: funnily enuff that stuff is still sold
asciilifeform: right here in usa even
asciilifeform: point was, the matte people prepare their leaves the same, compl with stems.
asciilifeform: no slon on the box, but same grade of grass shaving rubbish.
phf: ah ah
BingoBoingo: Related: https://www.subrayado.com.uy/demolieron-bocas-venta-drogas-que-estaban-construidas-predios-publicos-n506403 << Early morning (7am!!!) drug raid nets 125,000 pesos and 900 USD. 20 kilos of assorted drugs. 5 houses bulldozed. Entire barrio of Malvin Norte shut down during the lollarity
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> point was, the matte people prepare their leaves the same, compl with stems. << In argentina and (apparently) DC. Here they are like pot smokers and frown on stems.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile a Police officer attempted to get a firearm into "Penal de Libertad" (The Freedom Prison) by stuffing it in a Nintendo https://www.subrayado.com.uy/funcionario-intento-ingresar-un-arma-escondida-una-consola-videojuegos-n506311
phf: heh, the kommuniti consensus around recent intel bugs is "don't do crypto on cpu, that's what tpm is for"
mircea_popescu: !!up loper_os_cr50
deedbot: loper_os_cr50 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824856 << to be plain, the argument is "hey, you just watched this dood produce broken reasoning in the vein of replacing 'it is my responsibility to register you rightly told me i fucked up the process, for which i am ashamed as i should be, it is after all my responsibility to have my keys' with 'you asked me to register [therefore you somehow owe me somthing, you totally weren't pointing
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 02:09 trinque: I dun recall kicking, or even telling the guy to leave.
mircea_popescu: out my factual and utterly obvious shortcoming], i'm doing you a favour, tough breaks for you that '''the server''' was out of date [which totally isn't my failure, inasmuch as it was my server, that's why i keep it around, to randomly dissociate when things happen]' without skipping a beat. it's therefore reasonable to expect similar breaks from reality to be triggered in similar circumstances. inasmuch as the setting broken
mircea_popescu: bones hospital doesn't jump on the broken bones to make the point the bones are broken, might as well abstain from pointing out to 14 yo cunts captive in 40yo reverse engineer's bodies that they're transparently and for everyone evidently 14 yo cunts."
mircea_popescu: that said : i don't specifically care either way, but now explicitly.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the "unhappenings" we've been laughing at aren't ~alien~ technology. they're how the victims of child abuse react to the world "naturally", in the sense of, having had it browbeat into them by the shameful harpies of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824975 ; both in the family and at "school" / football practice / we.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 15:42 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be such an open season of old woman head on pike soon enough. "but what did i do ?!" "you were someone's mom in the 90s/00s weren;'t you ?" "yes i was!" "fuck you, bitch."
mod6: Hi all, Pizarro is working on some advertising materials - in particular banner ads that can be placed on blogs / sites. We'll be coming up with some sort of amount we can pay for advertisers per month to have this up on their homepages / main pages.
trinque: it's fair; I can be slightly more tolerant of noobery
mod6: I just created one, and I encourage all involved to throw their hat in the ring. Typical sizing I have found for these are: 446px x 63px
mircea_popescu: trinque, hey, i'm specifically not even asking you to. fuck them, let them learn to live in the world before asking the world to change to accomodate.
trinque: aite
mircea_popescu: but you can also directly see how it's now a case of "oh, i didn't shake hands with mp RETROACTIVELY because I SAY SO" and all the rest of the http://trilema.com/2018/the-problem-with-christians/ bullshit just from there.
mircea_popescu: they're christians, ergo stupid, what can you do. nobody knows.
mircea_popescu: mod6, are you passively asking me something ? because if yes then yes, a) very slow and b) why so passive about it.
mod6: Not asking thing from you, no.
mod6: I want to get more advertising for Pizarro going, and I thought I would just drop this in here so other republicans are aware if they wanna help pitch in on the banner effort.
mircea_popescu: ever looked into the clickbank thing ?
mod6: No, will take a look.
lobbes: Nifty mod6. Likewise, I'll add 'banner ad space for sale' to my radar as I continue to filter the ocean
mod6: lobbes: cool!
mod6: I was thinking that if L1/L2 people around here want to emplace a banner on their blog to help drive some traffic to PizzaroISP.net and earn some btc, let us know.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, you figure out the clickbank too.
mircea_popescu: it'll have to be figured out.
mod6: Meanwhile, yeah, we'll be looking into other sites, etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 16:56 phf: asciilifeform: i think you _might've_ misunderstood the thread. the point seem to have been not so much that the whole attempt is pointless, but it's the framing that was questionable. if you make a couple of snakes and send them at own expense to interested l1/l2, i don't see how it won't be worthwhile. we just don't have any idle reversers, who want to take a stab at it for the lulz, available at the moment.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825006 << i'll certainly be very interested of hearing a yes/no to this, secretly even, because so far i've not been getting anywhere (as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824240 etc ). curious if perhaps im doing something wrong.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 17:44 phf: asciilifeform: i suspect chromeos partner console is on a need to have basis. if it's just oem partners, then i'm out of luck, but if there's some flexibility there, then yes, there are official channels
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 21:04 mircea_popescu: also, i can say it is extremely unlikely your preliminary "thousands" figure is correct.
ben_vulpes: second step in clickbank signup is "who do you bank with and what's your ssn"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, the reason it's interesting is that it is the de-facto home of ~anyone left who's still doing cpa.
mircea_popescu: sorta like you trying to get into porn -- you can't complain about "having trouble with gfy.com", and so on.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825015 << what "software development" even is for. this great foss movement that gave us so many wonderful things, such as a firm guarantee to the usg that there's AT LEAST a little idiocy in everyone's computer no matter what.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 18:56 asciilifeform: and '...interprets user ids as status/control messages and does not correctly keep track of the status of multiple signatures, which allows remote attackers to spoof arbitrary email signatures via public keys containing crafted primary user ids.' etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825019 << i'm pretty sure that's the point, they can't afford pot but gotta be as spacey as proper californians to not burn down the entire fucking country. and so...
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 19:01 asciilifeform actually bought some matte and prepared what he thought was the traditional чифир-style tea, on coming home from BingoBoingo , was woozy for whole day
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825040 << they have that stuff here too, "arrested drug ring, confiscated a few benjies in currency". it always boggles the mind.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 19:39 BingoBoingo: Related: https://www.subrayado.com.uy/demolieron-bocas-venta-drogas-que-estaban-construidas-predios-publicos-n506403 << Early morning (7am!!!) drug raid nets 125,000 pesos and 900 USD. 20 kilos of assorted drugs. 5 houses bulldozed. Entire barrio of Malvin Norte shut down during the lollarity
mircea_popescu: lobbes, alternatively, if you find actually interesting banner selling ppl i'll both pay you for the effort and buy their banners to help take some load off zee pizarro. you have almost enough here to start your own "digital media" agency, just need to hire some worthless ditzen now and is all set!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the uruguay locals ? they eat (yes, eat) pot by the pound, it looked like
asciilifeform: street vendors errywhere peddling 'magic pies'
mircea_popescu: i was talking of the argentards.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825076 << as far as i can tell, their Official policy is to never admit that the thing even exists ( aside from the src, which is gnarly enuff , i suppose , to 'not count' somehow )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 20:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825006 << i'll certainly be very interested of hearing a yes/no to this, secretly even, because so far i've not been getting anywhere (as per http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1824240 etc ). curious if perhaps im doing something wrong.
ben_vulpes: seems like clickbank wants to own the entire payment flow, and looks at first blush to only eat credit cards
mircea_popescu: possible. in other similar lulz, juicy ads (whom, incidentally, i remember from the days the dood starting it was a junior/nobody with a "new project!!", 15+ years ago) refuses to deal with crypto because "we are respectable company".
mircea_popescu: they mostly lost the will to live, white men.
ben_vulpes: i'll survey the 'crypto'/cpa space and report back
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825043 << remember 'clipper' ? never died, immortal, just gets rebranded erry so often
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 19:54 phf: heh, the kommuniti consensus around recent intel bugs is "don't do crypto on cpu, that's what tpm is for"
mircea_popescu: scarcely worth the bother, that. "crypto"-x as in, "a crypto ad network" is totally another way of saying http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/#selection-197.0-197.39 ; ie, "that website some kid made and meanwhile forgot about"
ben_vulpes: > "Community: access to insights of a 1000-strong community of marketing professionals, who focus on the blockchain industry" << sheesh
asciilifeform: re tpmism : i predict many great lulz of the fyootoor , when google et al roll 'bitcoin' support into cr50 etc
asciilifeform: youreaditherephirst!11
mircea_popescu: imagine, if you will, 1k bleating heads collected in a room. even admitting you're http://trilema.com/2017/damele-dameleee/#selection-175.1-175.78 and can make the list of the top 1k "blockchain industry" professionals, correctly sorted desc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it'll be ethereum. bitcoin, like trilema ~also~ something official policy is to not admit exists (aside, of course, how it's what they save in / read themselves).
asciilifeform: '...and this here is the airport wallet inspector master key jack. got a problem, terrorist ?'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: likely
asciilifeform: 'root of trust'(tm)(r)
ben_vulpes: 40 btc starter package! www.icobox.io also all "success stories" successes are denominated in usd
ben_vulpes: they'll make a landing page for another 4 btc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: site last updated in 2013 or wat
mircea_popescu: i remember one time hanbot went through "crypto credit cards"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "or apply for basic 40 btc package for free!"
ben_vulpes: and on the next page "Apply for ICO services worth 20 BTC for free."
lobbes: mircea_popescu: deal! I'll let you know if I find anyone of interest.
ben_vulpes: https://archive.is/pWbrV << potter's hustle in the news again
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 16:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818018 << i'm quite certain that they will have a show trial or two for 'putin's wreckers' who 'manipulated the price upward'
ben_vulpes: looks more like a "the price isn't the real price because it's too high to be the real price and here's some proofy proof" to me
ben_vulpes: notice no knives for phil
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: moar of a 'we're about to dump a bit moar stolen coin on the waterfall so here's some smoke screen'
ben_vulpes: wasn't that last week's "hack"?
asciilifeform: regular installments, asciilifeform tbh does not follow subj in realtime
asciilifeform: 'The authors of the new 66-page paper do not have emails or documents that prove that Bitfinex knew about or was responsible for price manipulation. The researchers relied on the millions of transaction records that are captured on the public ledgers...' << lol
asciilifeform: 'helped government authorities and academics spot suspicious activity in the past' << didjaknow.
ben_vulpes: i had some suspicious activity in the alley around my trash last week, where's my blockchain analysis support
asciilifeform: the van's been dispatched!1
mircea_popescu: i like how they say "the new", as if it's somehow a workable substitute for "the stupid"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares how new it is ?!
mircea_popescu: don't tell me the implication would be that "we've already" the old.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record we agree -- price's way the fuck too high consider what the republic can provedly do as of yet.
asciilifeform: hey, it isn't as if the academitards don't always create 'new' 'paper' via same foo | bar | baz template spammers use ( as posted in mircea_popescu's www on at least 1 occasion )
mircea_popescu: ikr ?what fucking "new", the last time usg produced something new hruschev was still wearing his shoes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand re 'too high' ?
mircea_popescu: does it seem to you a maybe-isp, a mmorpg, some we don't have REs and some novel length fiction warrants a 100bn valuation for the republic ?
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's perch, 'valuations' are voodoo , i have nfi either way
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: but i mean, as far as anyone presently knows, 100% of all bitcoin trade consists of http://logs.minigame.biz/search/?q=total+bids
mircea_popescu: that... ain't so much.
asciilifeform: pizarro is afaik the only moving part we've got that at all feels the exch rate
mircea_popescu: well, it's not even started to publicly exchange yet.
mircea_popescu: iirc that was for this month ? or next ?
asciilifeform: good q ; hey ben_vulpes , did you ?
ben_vulpes: next month
a111: Logged on 2018-05-23 17:18 ben_vulpes: i intend to do this for the july bills.
mircea_popescu: next month.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i did say 'next parcel somebody other than asciilifeform ' , recall
asciilifeform: after prev refuel
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you'd better have one
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: made arrangements; wire's been sent already and cash is in discussion
mircea_popescu: well, they got the whole local bitcoins thing iirc.
ben_vulpes: plus BingoBoingo has done good work in lining up local exchange partners
asciilifeform: that was what i meant in re 'the only part that feels the btc exch rate'
asciilifeform: considering that a good % of the current subscription base is paid quarterly (or even 1yr ahead) -- exch rate is not irrelevant
mircea_popescu: only in the "fuuuu" sense.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. in the sense where its movements cannot do any serious good, only damage ? then yes )
mircea_popescu: in the sense where "o god, paid in advance, at much higher nominal rate"
asciilifeform: can go in either direction, neh ?
mircea_popescu: this movement'd have greatly benefited a hardware heavy isp (in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445680 ) ; it greatly hurts a forward-payments / unearned income isp as pizarro stands
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 19:10 mircea_popescu: this plan to stockpile proper chips etc goes hand in hand with a republic-isp, incidentally, becauyse who else to own hardware
mircea_popescu: but, the sums involved aren't that great anyway.
asciilifeform: exch rate oscillation has potential to be a palpable headache, like solar storms for space station
mircea_popescu: much moar shield-able, fortunately.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes mod6 possibly you oughta consider a couple mo. of usd 'shielding'..?
asciilifeform stepping outside of his expertise and prolly oughta stfu re subj
mircea_popescu: what, and turn it into a financial speculator ? usually firms go that way after making so much revenue they run out of capital goods they might buy
mircea_popescu: wester union eg, went that way.
asciilifeform: what's the proper method to shield, then
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am similarly poorly equipped to speculate/trade, but now at recent lows strikes me as a bad time to convert btc to cash (unless it goes lower, ofc)
mircea_popescu: well, consider the situation in the field. the unearned income acct hurt, in that pizarro will have to service in the future in excess of current fiat value ; the capital goods acct helped, in that the servers it owns are worth more in btc than they were when bought.
asciilifeform: i haven't any idea is it's a local min or the beginning of a slide back into 2015 or whichever way, my voodoo is weak
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aah i think i get it. 'iron is the master of them all'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: in this direction.
mircea_popescu: yes, if pizarro had 10 btc worth of gear end of q1, then pizarro'd have had 15+ btc worth of gear today.
mircea_popescu: it didn't, so it could be argued it "missed out" on earning 5btc for its principals. but that argument, like any other icahn-speculative truths, is weak.
mircea_popescu: still : cash position protects against fiat depreciation (which is why unearned income acct hurt, it's a negative cash acct) ; whereas tangibles position protects against fiat appreciation.
mircea_popescu: currently the financial position of pizarro is long cash / short tangibles (90/10 or something like that is the split iirc ?) meaning it will gain when fiat depreciates and lose when it appreciates.
mircea_popescu: a more even split makes the "solar winds" 0-delta.
mircea_popescu: hence, "more easy to shield"
asciilifeform: logical.
mircea_popescu: really, there's a lot of similarity between the job of the CFO (which... i gues... is what i'm doing here ?) for a company and the job of a captain of a fore-and-aft rigged vessel.
mircea_popescu: "get the rigging match the wind".
asciilifeform: this model makes a great deal of sense, and kudos to mircea_popescu for showing it
ben_vulpes: illustrative, ty mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: the naive picture in asciilifeform's head has , in this light, moar resemblance to piece of driftwood, than sailboat
asciilifeform: i'd like to upgrade to the sailboat.
asciilifeform: ( sailing on a driftwood is a depressing experience )
mircea_popescu: lol. ever been in dead water ?
mircea_popescu: it is indeed depressing. like traveling in the desert, come to think of it.
ben_vulpes: "you: wiggle the till. and you! get me a beer"
asciilifeform: i've not personally captained anyffing bigger than rowboat, lol
mircea_popescu: kinda why boat should have nude babes, distract one when this happens.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, quite.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, weren't you about to move on the high seas, lefty from mullbery st. ?
mod6: ahoy
asciilifeform: same 'about to' as to mars, lol
asciilifeform: similarly out of my price range.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu painfully educated me on subj.
mircea_popescu: and what a fun adventure it was! :D
asciilifeform: ah good old dayz d00d
asciilifeform: when nyc still had working garbage pickup etc
mod6: ls
mircea_popescu: aha. actually these were the garbage guys.
mod6: gah
mircea_popescu: gah: command not found
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: wouldn't want to shock your expectations :D
mod6: thank you for being our parser, Sir.
mod6: this kvm is gonna be the death of me
a111: Logged on 2018-06-13 21:14 ben_vulpes: i had some suspicious activity in the alley around my trash last week, where's my blockchain analysis support
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1825058 << mod6 ben_vulpes work out a handshake with mircea_popescu so that i can put this on phuctor www
mircea_popescu: go right ahead, i dun see the problem.
mircea_popescu: well... maybe have them make something the same size as other items there ?
mod6: We intend to pay for the advertising, unless nosuchlabs wants to put it up for free as a friend.
asciilifeform: i was about to link to this yea
mod6: I have some more that I just threw up on my site; a few to pick from: http://www.mod6.net/pizarro_banners/
asciilifeform: mod6 can haz pic corresponding to dimensions of linked jpg ?
mircea_popescu: btw, asciilifeform : the phuctor design is narrow. plenty of space to put stuff on the sides, rather than bottom, if you wantr.
asciilifeform: it's narrow cuz asciilifeform uses narrow screens, lol
asciilifeform: but potentially can be fiddled with
mod6: asciilifeform: hm? images i created are, 446px × 63px
asciilifeform: mod6: my jpg is 320 wide
mod6: vert image is the reverse 63px x 446px
mod6: oh
mod6 looks
asciilifeform: currently i'd prefer horiz
mod6: ok yours is 320 x 132 px
mod6: You want me to make one that size, I think I can make a special one. Lemme tinker on it here.
asciilifeform: just the 320 dimension
mod6: you dont care how long it is?
mod6: or tall?
asciilifeform: dun care how tall
asciilifeform: within reason
mod6: i gotta creat a new one, gimp is limited, or im a bit limited in is usage. i'll make 320 x 132 if that's suitable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, if you're going to do this, best think about it, specify the site for it.
mircea_popescu: "i dun care how tall" is a recipe for disaster down the road.
asciilifeform: for quick emplacement, would like to have 320x132 then
mod6: on it
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: !!up Disavowed
deedbot: Disavowed voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: dw voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: aand who might you two be ?
dw: i pointed Disavowed here, found your site via lobsters about a week ago :)
Disavowed: Hey - cheers for having me :)
mircea_popescu: but... i still don't know much.
dw: we are admirers of your fine essays and eager to subscribe to your most serene republic
dw: (and idle)
mircea_popescu: yes, but i mean... can you do anything useful ?
mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu : here it is, let me know if you'd like any changes ^
asciilifeform: mod6: this looks pretty good. where would you like the link to go ?
mircea_popescu: if this ever takes off you can do two things : a) have a banner rotator and b) have monthly or biannual or w/e spot auctions.
mod6: the thing has a home/landing page now devoid of all statements/blog info, so this is good.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, good points
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma put it in later today, thx
mod6: no, thank you both!
asciilifeform: mod6 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu et al : it's live ( see e.g. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats )
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/06/german-government-divided-as-interior-minister-decides-to-skip-migrant-integration-summit/ << Qntra - German Government Divided As Interior Minister Decides To Skip Migrant Integration Summit
BingoBoingo: I suppose Qntra can put up a banner as well
ben_vulpes: if you would that would be great BingoBoingo
mod6: asciilifeform: nice! thanks :]
mod6: BingoBoingo: cool!
mircea_popescu: and in today's harem cocktails : in a cocktail glass (the inverted cone on a stem) put shaved ice, cover with cinzano rosso, splash of cointreau.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, squeeze bitter orange, i guess.
mod6: ah, sounds refreshing
mircea_popescu: a good cocktail is that mix which is better than the sum of the parts.
mod6: i've been saving my last two bottles of borsec :D
mod6: i just made the best BLT+fried egg+cheese sandwiches.
mod6: normally i don't do the egg+cheese. but that was srsly a win.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in lulz from the lint traps, http://the-eye.eu/public/
asciilifeform: some oddballs archived buncha ??? , from microshit isos, to... censored reddits ( http://the-eye.eu/public/ripreddit/ )
asciilifeform: very 1990s flavour.
mircea_popescu: "censored reddits" is about 500% the extant reddit by mass.
asciilifeform: i've nfi
mircea_popescu: item only ever existed as a child porn / assorted bizarro trading ring.
asciilifeform: going by cursory look at the contents , mircea_popescu is ( was ? ) right
mircea_popescu: there's only so much tiresome-unsexed-mayogendered that can be produced. so not much alternative content available.
asciilifeform: http://the-eye.eu/public/Images/Russian%20Propaganda/ << gotta be single largest collection i've seen to date
mircea_popescu: %20 and everything huh
asciilifeform: the 'wget -m -np -c --no-check-certificate -R "index.html*" "https://the-eye.eu/public/"' listed at the bottom of all pgs, is classy touch imho.
asciilifeform: evidently they like mirrors.
mircea_popescu: http://the-eye.eu/public/Images/Russian%20Propaganda/Le_002.jpg >> beautiful xreferencing, too. five letter numeric filenames ftw!
asciilifeform: ( i can't think of much use for most of the artifacts, or would mirror )
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why anyone thinks this belongs in a website. it's evidently a tarball.
mircea_popescu: html is HYPERTEXT not hyperdump
asciilifeform: 0 idea where the thing was born or why.
asciilifeform: 'community' link goes to some heathen chat thing, dunwork here
asciilifeform: turbo pascal ( 4 versions!111 ) . nintendo games. peter norton complete works. roms for circa 1990s pcs. mirrors of long-dead ??? sites. ;
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:53 asciilifeform: heads, leucrota, manticores, vultures, paranders, weasels, dragons, hoopoes, owls, basilisks, hypnales, presters, spectafici, scorpions, saurians, whales, scitales, amphisbenae, iaculi, dipsases, green lizards, pilot fish, octopi, morays, and sea turtles.' -- eco's 'name of the rose'
asciilifeform: evidently the hell errybody's dead 1999 hdd , went to.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell mod6 http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << plox to make FUCKGOATS text link to subj
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6 looks
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 47 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << plox to make FUCKGOATS text link to subj
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