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BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10541.86, vol: 10459.43430630 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10560.0, vol: 29727.02621591 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10556.5, vol: 4622.65972429 | Volume-weighted last average: 10555.4046532
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: Good mornin mod6
BingoBoingo: I have to say the silence this morning is a bit extraño
asciilifeform: ohai BingoBoingo , mod6
mod6: hola asciilifeform
mod6: node has been caught up all night. we'll see...
asciilifeform: mod6: speaking of, didja ever try ben_vulpes's moar-aggression patch ?
asciilifeform: the one that actively milks every peer regularly, and not simply on-connect
mod6: ah, no haven't had a chance yet.
asciilifeform: i suspect that his approach is in fat The Right Thing. making connect-time 'special' is every bit as dumb as making boot time special.
asciilifeform: considering that a connection can last for theoretically unlimited time.
asciilifeform: *in fact
mod6: yaeh, i have a feeling that's kinda what was happening to me. but untested yet.
asciilifeform: the ben_vulpes takes the orig fix to the logical conclusion.
asciilifeform: mod6: let's restate the general principle. if you have two or moar trb nodes, and they are 'in communion' with one another regularly, and yet one is several 100 blox behind the other(s) -- THIS IS A BUG
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit.
asciilifeform: it should not be possible.
asciilifeform: it's one thing where prb refuses to serve trb node blox, or puts out some oddball liquishit that gets it malleus'd, etc
asciilifeform: but trb nodes really oughta all be within a few blox of one another at all times.
mod6: i agree.
asciilifeform: so for so long as this situation continues to be observed anywhere -- we have a bug.
mod6: Tuning the best interval between when we would query a connected host seems like it might take some doing. Right now, looks like 20 minutes (in ben's vpatch).
mod6: Maybe gotta get another dedicated env. :D
mod6: Or just gotta wait and see if i drop behind. Then may just compile it in. Will report back once I have something on this.
phf: "Reading in the Dark: Does fiction matter in a post-fact age? harpers.org"
phf shudders
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: phf: 'if you're reading it, it's for you!111' (tm)(r)(tlp)
phf: asciilifeform: oh i just read the headers, that's why i only post the headers.
phf: the content of these articles is as much of a mystery to me as they are to the log reader. maybe it's zavalishin writing obituary for bardin, but i doubt it.
asciilifeform: it's ~always shannonized liquishit.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Guess who finally got a trendy Latino haircut!
mod6: got a bit of a fade?
BingoBoingo: And how!
BingoBoingo: We will see how it looks once I manage to get back to the hostel and shower off the loose hairs, but I had to do something while I awaited compiling.
shinohai: !!key phf
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: In other WTFs, the bank Account one is setting me up with... is finally taking an interest in processing my application only six or seven weeks later.
BingoBoingo: *accountant one
BingoBoingo wonders how many crocodiles mircea_popescu is chilling with on his latest viaje
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja meet the rack yet ?
BingoBoingo: Carrying shit over there in the morning tomorrow. Last visit it was looking good. Awaiting the necessary information to get the routing configured as best as I can before plugin time.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do they have a console on wheels, or how is the after-the-screws-tightened config usually done nowadays ?
BingoBoingo: I am about to find out. But I recall seeing some sorta carts chilling in the human habitble zone.
trinque: shinohai: might even consider making them pay. gotta be years of znc in a pair of tits
shinohai: well i have an addy up, best plaque i can put up.
shinohai: there is a surfeit of tits, years of znc in btc
trinque: "well I have an addy up" is not selling a product
trinque: why import the empire's "everything's free, gotta beg for tips"
trinque: could do some amount for free, then chick has to pay. it'd be good for her
trinque: ^ doyousee.jpg
shinohai: yes emmylark is encouraged to contact me with mircea_popescu 's permission
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
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BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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ben_vulpes: gonna be the death of phil, that will be
mod6: heh, for a moment i read 'pursuits' as 'pantsuits'
shinohai: lol mod6
mod6: !!up tmsrznc
deedbot: tmsrznc voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: oh hey hey hey lbj
asciilifeform: !!up mp_en_viaje
deedbot: mp_en_viaje voiced for 30 minutes.
mp_en_viaje is sitting pretty @ the 5 star bogota summit hotel.
mp_en_viaje: 2017 choice of some derpy website no less!!!
asciilifeform: oh hey iirc bogota was a runner-up in the castle-popescustein race, wasnnit.
mp_en_viaje: i can sadly report that ye olde days of raping the chambermaids and somon fumee buffet breakfast are all gone.
shinohai: oh hiya mp_en_viaje
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1777970 << infiniely better to keep time discipline and adjust material than to lose time discipline to adjust it to your disease.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 16:01 asciilifeform: thinking of switching to a 2week interval; these are not coming out quite the way i want'em
asciilifeform: adjust material how ?
asciilifeform: can be broken down into the smallest logical cuts, but not smaller.
mp_en_viaje: there's just no way the smallest logical cuts are longer than weeklong.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778033 << it has a tags allowed for comment. if you put b user can bold, if not no. you may not have a on the list.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 17:06 ave1: Hmm, I'm using mp-wp and I cannot find a setting that is supposed to scrub links or allow them. I am looking into it...
asciilifeform: even nao they're pretty light on the algo mechanics . ( asciilifeform does not know if there's 0 complaint from readership because everybody-grasps-anyway, or because ~nobody reads... )
mp_en_viaje: iirc this is exposed in the admin gui, settings something
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778035 << an ada lamp would need you know, the a and the m. it may be possible to write a sqlizer in ada ; but i have my doubts an ada apache is actually possible.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 17:10 asciilifeform would like to see a complete wwwtron in ada. but does not have any spare arms presently for such a thing.
asciilifeform: let's consider this puzzler
asciilifeform: what exactly is 'ada apache' ?
asciilifeform: http server ? fwiw adacore distributes one. ( i dun like it, for same reason as apache -- it's a megatonne of gnarl . but, it does in fact work, and benefits from the language guarantees etc )
mp_en_viaje: link between ram/disk and net in html protocol.
mp_en_viaje: you know what apache does neh ?
asciilifeform: there's nothing particularly high-tech about serving http
mp_en_viaje: there is one you say ? me had no idea.
asciilifeform: certainly easier problem, algorithmically, than e.g. bignum
mp_en_viaje: apache is a terrible mess even today ; you might recall my regular meltdowns whenever tryin g to get it to work.
mp_en_viaje: i expect ada's "works" ~same
asciilifeform: i have not tried, could not get past the gag reflex last time
asciilifeform: prolly will end up writing own.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 17:24 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Contract start date is Feb 1st, but I am about to poke them to check the wire and see if the racking can start.
asciilifeform: fwiw ada's built-in sane threading and non-semaphoric thread-to-thread info passing features make it an inviting idea.
mp_en_viaje: indeed. threading major problem even on modern apaches.
asciilifeform: the fundamental disease is that c is retarded.
asciilifeform: from this, flows apache etc.
mp_en_viaje: somehow i had like an inkling tou'll say that
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-29#1778097 << maybe even slightly more than half lol
a111: Logged on 2018-01-29 17:54 asciilifeform: considering that half the point of hardware debugger is to debug heavily-antidebuggistic shitware...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's also needed for any kind of serious work on bios ( incl pci cards )
mp_en_viaje: in other news, apparently bogota has bdsm bar, open all night.
mp_en_viaje: in the quaint words of the virgin mary, oh im totally going.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomology, gem , 'Ada is arguably more successful in its domain not because of its ridiculous verbosity, but because it has higher level features, separation of concerns, safety checks, development teams focused on embedded programming, aircraft specialists and programmers working on the compilers, etc. One could still take all of these same Ada experts, brainwash them, and have them (or another team with more sense) i
asciilifeform: mplement a more reasonable syntax and notation while keeping the same range checks, contract checks, safety checks, stack abilities, separation of concerns (type declarations, arrays vs pointers to pointers, by reference vs by value or in/out params, modules, high level threading abilities, sub modules, packages).'
mp_en_viaje: lol.. the "one could take republican and brainwash" is essentially the imperial fantasy
asciilifeform: exactly. is why quoted.
mp_en_viaje: "we, too, could have things" "how the fuck could you ever have anything ?" "well, if we did, then we would" "certainly."
asciilifeform: 'we can have exactly #trilema but out of aryans and to serve clitler.' aka 'servantleaderz'!11
mp_en_viaje: "there's nothing intrinsically political about corectness, we could make armies out of transsexuals and scientists out of reformed scammers, why not!"
mp_en_viaje: but hey, the fantasy that it works for them is a large part of why bitcoin corrupts so well.
mp_en_viaje: giraffe that imagines it too could digest lions makes lion's favourite giraffe brand, i expect.
asciilifeform: wolf never seems to stop thinking he can digest wolfsangel, also
asciilifeform: or fish -- hook
mp_en_viaje: (the transsexual army is not a rhetorical flourish. think : what is a transsexual ? one a) unoccupied enough to question something as fundamental as his sex and also b) dumb enough to get the wrong answer. meanwhile what is army built of ? a) people who obey orders. so...)
asciilifeform: eh castration cults have existed in the past.
asciilifeform: what's 1 moar.
mp_en_viaje: indeed.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778217 << word, the useless pinoy kid pens spun content re viagra while his exact equivalent from the white horde pens spun libtard interes titems. they're closer than they realise -- including the involuntary celibacy.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-30 16:30 asciilifeform: it's ~always shannonized liquishit.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from asciilifeform's tortureroom, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mpboard.jpg
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778230 << all they got here are butt implants. and how!
a111: Logged on 2018-01-30 18:18 BingoBoingo wonders how many crocodiles mircea_popescu is chilling with on his latest viaje
asciilifeform: ^ pet's board
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, why's she all shying out anyway ? nobody ate the emmy lark character, whats the worst that can happen!
asciilifeform: iirc the exact eggog was 'dun have anuffingtosay yet'
mp_en_viaje: so ? maybe i have something to say to her.
mp_en_viaje: conversation isn't waiting for the other speaker to finally shut up so you can speak your piece.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to pass this message.
mp_en_viaje: this entire tower is built ou tof things that "i had no idea i was going to make before".
asciilifeform: verily.
mp_en_viaje: but since i did x therefore y follows and so on.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-30#1778242 << nah, for one if you set up her bouncer you can read her logs, and for the other it breeds bad habits. she can do it herself once i get around to putting it on her menu ; meanwhile if enough folk complain ima just have her not chan till then
a111: Logged on 2018-01-30 19:19 shinohai: yes emmylark is encouraged to contact me with mircea_popescu 's permission
mp_en_viaje: omg caught up with logs within the hour ? this was way less painful than i had feared.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in archaeology dept, http://macos9lives.com
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo , ben_vulpes , possibly other escapees from crapple, ^ et al might be entertained
ben_vulpes: awwww
asciilifeform: the discussion of latency reminds me of the 1990s bebox enthusiasts
ben_vulpes: 8.6 was peak macos in my book
asciilifeform: although they very much have a point, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763155 .
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 16:05 asciilifeform: but in very unrelated lulz, https://archive.is/bON1p >> 'It’s a bit absurd that a modern gaming machine running at 4,000x the speed of an apple 2, with a CPU that has 500,000x as many transistors (with a GPU that has 2,000,000x as many transistors) can maybe manage the same latency as an apple 2 in very carefully coded applications if we have a monitor with nearly 3x the refresh rate.'
asciilifeform: the commonplace pc is rubbish in re latency. and absolutely worthless for realtime signal processing.
asciilifeform: even under 'realtime linux'
asciilifeform tried, for machine tool control. rubbish.
mp_en_viaje: shit, peakx reminds me, what the hell happened to that whole peak oil craze.
asciilifeform: happened?
mp_en_viaje: when's you last heard sbout it ? cca 2012ish or so neh ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pretty much every orlol post, lol. tho he has an epicycle to explain why it dun push up price of barrel monotonically : demand destruction
asciilifeform unequipped to refute or confirm the notion
mp_en_viaje: eh, at some point it was a major mainstream item, late 00s or so. kinda bicoin of the period, $item every office drone hasta know about / if you don't have "formed your own oppinion
mp_en_viaje: ' you cant be properly called man.
asciilifeform: pretty sure it was only ever 'mainstream' among the folx who were 'imminent remonetization of gold' etc.
trinque suspected cunning bastards at $oilcorp marketing dept
mp_en_viaje: it was genuine craze, like "greenhouse gases" or "berlin wall" or what have you
mp_en_viaje: "war in europe"
asciilifeform: orlol just recently ( last wk ? ) put out a claim of 'smallest new petrodiscoveries in any year since 1943' but i have nfi with what he could substantiate such a statement
asciilifeform: afaik 0 of the required info is at all public.
asciilifeform: for the obvious reason.
mp_en_viaje: eh gtfo, smallest test drill bugdet since 1950
mp_en_viaje: i suspect everyone's waiting for that global warming to melt the rich north. canada, russia, there's where to find
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, wtf demand for oil is supposed to be destructed ? more cars on road than ever in history.
ben_vulpes: also US shale producers "walking and chewing gum" at the same time; many squeezed operations down into productivity despite opec production increase and still managed to borrow and open up more reserves
mp_en_viaje: you should see fucking $200 a month clombia. it is SO BAD they have two colors of plates, and yellow (normal people) can only go every other day
shinohai: yeah thats a point mp_en_viaje
mp_en_viaje: which, of course, as all socialist idiocy, resulted in everyone buying >2 cars.
asciilifeform: i'm unequipped to comment, because i do not consider the sources accessible to me on www, to be anything other than disinfo; and having no line to petroseekritz meself, leaves ~0 ; so cannot add to this.
mp_en_viaje: ben_vulpes, yeah, the saudi genius dood's plan worked as wel las if nuland made it.
ben_vulpes: yup, they blinked
asciilifeform: the americans indeed have the cars; they sit parked on the street; but lacking work to commute to, they dun eat petrol so much. hence orlol's 'destruction' observation.
shinohai: for me it worked on premise that "private messages" were always gpg encrypted
mp_en_viaje: eh bs. there's 300mn usians not going anywhere and 2bn orcs going around in circles
ben_vulpes: likely a large factor in this "corruption" witchhunt even "omfg blew trillions trying to put the us shale market out of biz, need to recoup from somewhere"
mp_en_viaje: you understand bogota is 2x the size of ny ? you've not seen traffic jams this good in ny. not since.... well never, back when it still mattered they didn't have the cars.
mp_en_viaje: ben_vulpes, it is to me unclear how orcistan (mineral producerI could be said to have realised losses.
asciilifeform: nao i gotta see this
mp_en_viaje: russia, saudi arabia, or a random streetwalker are in the same position : the cunt they sell has little relation to the money people make in an economy they're no tpart of.
mp_en_viaje: so you know, how did whore "lose a trillion" ?
asciilifeform: selling minerals is exactly same 'lottery winner's disease', this was known long ago
mp_en_viaje: no, but this is fantasy fullfillment wank among the girls themselves, "oh, the gringo paid gordita x 599 and i'm so much better then her so every time i suck it for a 20 i lose out 579". rrrrrheheheheally.
mp_en_viaje: your item is worth $0, everything you get for it is green, get off the "losses" nonsense.
asciilifeform: riaa-'losses' lol
a111: Logged on 2018-01-26 23:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1777305 << 'One of Japan’s biggest cryptocurrency exchanges said that about $400 million in NEM tokens ...' >> asciilifeform was replacing a ceiling light and lost a screw, which he arbitrarily will value at 500 trillion unified reformed dubloons
mp_en_viaje: losses are a product of optionality. wtf optinality does saudi have ? if they don't sell it they could also... sell it ? o wow. such options.
asciilifeform: that's on the sane people planet. on the idjit orc planet, 'loss' is the delta between the fantasy 'i am worth!' and the actuality.
mp_en_viaje: btw asciilifeform you might enjoy columbia for the following unexpected property :
mp_en_viaje: they seem 100% unaware us exists. at all. "americano" strictly means newworlder and other than this there is 0 reference. anywhere.
asciilifeform: this is attractive.
asciilifeform: iirc they also serve up coca like tobacco there? or is that long ago gone
mp_en_viaje: i've not seen any. i suspect drug reports to be greatly exagerated
asciilifeform: prolly; they seem to always follow the familiar pattern of 'i heard from a sailor that he heard...'
mp_en_viaje: in any case, san jose cr is permeated by perpetual skunk
mp_en_viaje: here, not so far smelled any. no visible intoxication, no methgirls...
ben_vulpes: mp_en_viaje: well they didn't offset the costs of eleventy thousand princelings while the spigots were open...
asciilifeform not aficionado, in any case
mp_en_viaje: ben_vulpes, conceivably. tho the golden age of saudi prince seem more like 80s.
mp_en_viaje: if the shah of brunei can
mp_en_viaje: t find ONE woman he likes...
ben_vulpes: certainly, golden age of individual prince has long since passed, but the sheer number of them running around are such that they even raise the hackles of normally entirely diversity++ towns like portland, with the all-reflective nissans etc
ben_vulpes: running over our children, etc
mp_en_viaje: yes but how many billions does a nissan cost.
mp_en_viaje: ITS A FUCKING NISSAN FFS. seems to me you just deliverd my point right there.
ben_vulpes: few, but how many princelings are now running around. the nissans are saved for the poorest, who don't even get into nyu.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno.
ben_vulpes: hey it was a nice one!!1 "don't laugh, it's paid in full" or whatever that bumper sticker says
mp_en_viaje: how many feckless usgistani boys in business school tell listless, confused girlies from ohio they're saudi princes i could not guess. bu the fambly itself is under 2k.
asciilifeform in 25+yr on east usa has yet to see 'reflective nissan' or anything self-labeled or otherwise as 'arab prince'
asciilifeform: somehow they all ended up on ben_vulpes's end
mp_en_viaje: maybe there's better tail there
asciilifeform: gotta be some reason.
ben_vulpes: doubtful, all the girls out here spend all day on twitter triggering themselves.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff asciilifeform once worked in exactly such a lab
asciilifeform: ( where 68k crapples were lovingly cared for, they controlled ~irreplaceable heavy machinery )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778333 << i actually run os 9 on all of my ppc devices. it's got MCL, simple games, pixel perfect graphics (something i have soft spot for) and shit ton of perfectly workable software.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 00:05 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in archaeology dept, http://macos9lives.com
asciilifeform: the graphics in particular , i gotta concur with
asciilifeform: i'm still looking for something that ran that os, that will eat an ssd
mp_en_viaje: wut is ppc here ?
asciilifeform: ( several unsuccessful attempts litter asciilifeform's parts room )
phf: mp_en_viaje: powerpc
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: old cpu
asciilifeform: derived orig from ibm's 'power'
phf: i suspect mp knows what powerpc is, in logs frequently, but the common abbreviation is rarely used
asciilifeform: ( which interestingly is still made, 5GHz and, what, 40core power9 , released just few wks ago, beats shit out of intel's item )
mp_en_viaje: means all sorts of other thngs. pockt pc, payperclick, etc
asciilifeform: lol, and nazi pistol
asciilifeform: or was that ppk.
mp_en_viaje: ppsh ?
asciilifeform: unrelated
asciilifeform: was thinking of walther ppk.
asciilifeform: the one der fuhrer himself ate.
mp_en_viaje: polizeipistol
phf: "walther ppk, 7.65 millimetre. only three men i know use such a gun and i believe i've killed two of them."
asciilifeform: phf: on what do you have os9 running ?
asciilifeform: ( apparently there is an entire underground of folx trying to patch it to boot on g5 etc... i had nfi until nao )
asciilifeform: i'll also admit to being curious re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778337
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 00:06 ben_vulpes: 8.6 was peak macos in my book
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes : why 8.6
phf: i don't remember specific designators, a g3 ibook that was a hand me down when i was poor and just came to this country, a g4 powerbook that i bought since it was "last model to run os 9", a wallstreet that someone game recently (i like the "my name is the plague" kind of feel to it, but have no use for it)
phf: and a powermac g4, that i haven't booted in a while. i'm pretty sure it has netbsd on it though
asciilifeform: curious re the 'last model' in particular
asciilifeform: which machine is it.
phf: k, one sec
phf: a1025
asciilifeform: i have a -- what i think is -- 'lombard'. but with ancient and dying mechanical hdd, and it won't eat literally anything in its place, tried repeatedly.
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> i can sadly report that ye olde days of raping the chambermaids and somon fumee buffet breakfast are all gone. << Butt the accents are clear and they open their mouths to speak!
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 23:43 asciilifeform: btw maybe pete_dushenski can tell me the seekrit of how to get 'lombard' to eat an ssd.
phf: you probably want this https://everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/last-macs-to-boot-startup-macos-9.html though i think i used a different table for reference
asciilifeform: phf: ha, i had nfi a1025 could eat os9. i have 1 (nao sadly dead mb) in the hardware tomb.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what exactly is 'ada apache' ? << Done right prolly something similar to lighttpd without the C
asciilifeform: phf: right, exactly it
asciilifeform: the one with the cast iron hinges that were guaranteed to crack after 500 or so flexings
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, sure, i've no complaints.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've been quietly looking into 'what's needed in a www server' for a while. good chunk of 'expected' liquishit can be jettisoned without any tears (e.g. requests ~other than~ GET and PUT . fuck'em )
mp_en_viaje: by the time you're stuck forcing yourself on zee maids you've got other problems should be attending to anyway ; and one can always buy his own breakfast.
phf: there was a fat guy at 2600 meetups in dc (in crystal city, which are unfortunately no more), who was doing infosec for mil and who always had cool toys. i mean coming from moscow in the 90s, all these people casually showing off the $3000 equipment, talking of dumpster diving whole computers, it was kind of like moving into The Hackers. culture ~completely~ dead
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> 8.6 was peak macos in my book << 7.5.1
asciilifeform: phf: i went to 1 or 2 of those particular meets
asciilifeform: was epic snoar
asciilifeform: no one had anyffin but prattle
asciilifeform: no magic iron, in particular
phf: well, it's because you went there for content :> i was doing socializing with americans and such
phf: that was 2002 or so
asciilifeform: i did however get to dumpsterdive whole comps. but that was elsewhere, in long-demolished-nao office parks of suburbia.
asciilifeform: for many years in fact had no other kind of iron.
phf: yeah, those guys would organize dumpster diving runs
phf: which was convenient since i didn't really know the area at all
asciilifeform never would have conceived of revealing to another, where the magical dumps were, lol
mp_en_viaje: i think the thing now is "run through abandoned in fac tbut not on books mil bases, take pics".
mp_en_viaje: the scenes move, right.
mp_en_viaje apologizes for the approximated spelling. new kbd.
trinque pulled a rack and couple servers out of the trash behind some biotech lab when ~16
phf: there's a strange lul in the scene, because necessary aged youngsters are glued to ipads. and i'm not just being an old grandpa, there's literally a whole generation missing at the outside activities
mp_en_viaje: hm. iirc we even had them in the logs. here's our run of chernobyl here;s our run of nevada nuclear missil base etc
mp_en_viaje: they're fewer by headcount than the "erryone empowered" stuff in the 90s, granted. but it may be better quality.
mp_en_viaje: phreaker scene, pre internet (really, killed by internet) was also less numerous, but arguably stronger individually
asciilifeform: i always assumed that those are eternal, but simply not in my light cone
asciilifeform: rather than vanished
phf: oh right right, that was a while ago though, i suspect that photographing ue for livejournal has been a decade long activity. they've just been increasing the boldness
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> they seem 100% unaware us exists. at all. "americano" strictly means newworlder and other than this there is 0 reference. anywhere. << AHA, this weekend I heave heard the word "gringo" more than any other time so far because a New Zealander tried to insist he and I are gringos to a couple of Chilenas, and they Chilenas had to keep telling him BingoBoingo es un gringo, pero the New Zealander was just a very tall, pale asian
mp_en_viaje: well "when did i tstart" is always an iffy q. but to my mind that's the current scene.
phf: there was that russian team that was breaking into scyscapers in jetsetter cities and taking risky pictures, but i think that died with the rubble crash
mp_en_viaje: much like you know, the 0day/elecart scene was THE scene mid 90s
phf: well, that's good, cause then i can relax for a bit!
mp_en_viaje: phf, why do you think it died ? going by what, some measure of www activity /
phf: actually i don't know! i'm in a bad place, spatially, DC is literally the worst place to keep tabs on this kind of stuff. everything seems dead, but i know if i were to just travel two hours north there's going to be updates on what's happening
mp_en_viaje: dc is a shithole. but... i dunno, im unconvinced by the theory "kids today" = ded. the mass is about as motile as a fish in vinegar, yes. but .. they always were.
phf: but i think that it died on the tail end of "asians who were all black outfits made of space materials", which is a kind of postcyberpunk think that happened in the 00s.
phf: *wear all
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> here, not so far smelled any. no visible intoxication, no methgirls... << Here lots of cannabis and they discovered edibles so you see a lot of intoxication without the smell. Only they very poor and New Zealanders seem to seek out stims.
mp_en_viaje: arguably the other scene is the chemhipsters.
mp_en_viaje: whole lotta "what does this potion do" self-experimentation.
mp_en_viaje: it's sad in that it will go strictly nowhere, but... what can you do.
phf: oh yeah, but again, slowed down, because of analog regulations. 5 years or so you had all these labs popping up, tweaking common chemicals (like ketamine into methoxetamine)
mp_en_viaje: there's more today than a year ago.
mp_en_viaje: from what i can see it grew each year since pre bitcoin. 2007ish
BingoBoingo: The great geopolitical risk is that the stoners do to Uruguay what the trannies are doing to USia... a malignant species of nothing
mp_en_viaje: it's not physically possible, you know, to have the same silly "informationsuperhighway" wank today. scenes are usually borne of specific ignorances which permit specific hopes to flourish. so today its photorecon-parkour and self-administered drmengele.
mp_en_viaje: spiderman got bit by a strange bottle, right ? it wasn't a prepubescent girly some dood in british academia was trying not to actually fuck. it was spiderman!
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i don
mp_en_viaje: t think anyone imagines uruguay can be genoa of 2020.
BingoBoingo: Not at all, but it imagines it is a place that can keep enough Brasileros happy to not turn into a small Argnetina
mp_en_viaje: with any luck....
mp_en_viaje: i have a new theory by the way. so bogota is ~8mn inhabitants. and there's DISTINCT signs of argentinetardation. but i mean itemized, multiple strands, quite visible. eyt the folk themselves aren't at all similar, not fenotypically nor culturally.
mp_en_viaje: in no case is the farc-ready colombian any kind of argentino dickless "letrado".
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: oh hm like what ? getting stuck in doorways ?
mp_en_viaje: i suspect the sheer size of town may have deleterious effects. "go over 5mn pop at your fucken peril
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, girl called desk to call me a cab. desk wanted to know where it's going. insistently. when they didn't get what they want, they OPTED NOT TO DO WHAT TOLD.
asciilifeform: what do folx in a 5M+ city busy themselves with anyway..? they can't all drive cabs or sell stocks
mp_en_viaje: and when i tell the girly there "when you are told to get cab you get cab" she had BUTS in her schedule!
mp_en_viaje: fancy that wonder.
phf: oh yeah, scenes have that property discussed in thread about opensource, once it's named it's over. i'm actually more interested not in the scenes themselves, but in how they evolve one into another and how differrent scenes influence each other. something dies, gets replaced by some mutation of something else resurrected, or rediscovered, etc. etc. etc.
mp_en_viaje: but there's plenty of other things. utterly inept real estate market, exact same thingas buenos aires -- 500k+ units on market, high prices for no reason, 500 close a yeat at MOST, rest happy to wait.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: that sounds ominous. prolly symptom of americanization. '3ringbinder said 'must say where cab will go or no cab', so no cab'
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, 0 detectable usg influence in ANY way i can see
trinque: lol what do they do in americaland, "buy and sell stocks, and drive cab"
asciilifeform: then gotta be the traditional 'i do what i want' orcism
mp_en_viaje: phf, i suspect this nver happens, "evolve into one another". seems t ome it'salways 100% new biostock
trinque: I would've said this in jest of soviet perceptions of AMERICA (TM)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, ro consul here thinks its a lot of you know, money laundering.
trinque: "why, they sit at a big table in a skyscraper and shout 'business!' at each other"
phf: mp_en_viaje: new biostock, but rarely invents anything new, mostly just copies something they read in a magazine they found in the attic
mp_en_viaje: he may be right, but it was not that in argentina, those fuckfaces have 0 capital.
mp_en_viaje: phf, how's this apply to the "ima photograph missile silo" set for instance ?
mp_en_viaje: cuz they saw 1990s french algerian parkour mags ?
phf: well, but ue has a long line of doings, likewise livejournal has a long line of doings. so happens that the two long lines connect at some historic point, because both on certain trajectories
mp_en_viaje: (note the parallelism is VERY marked -- that was attempt of body-fetishized africans to retake a space that was very hostile. this -- muchly also)
asciilifeform: tangentially, re '0 usg influence' -- did they ever kick out usg's herbicide-bomber fleet from colombia ?
asciilifeform: or still flyin'
phf: actually, yeah! it travels, sometimes directly sometimes indirectly. i mean, there's definitely a direct connection between 1990s parkour and early 00s missile silo photography
mp_en_viaje: "african is only good for muscles/big dick" + "do not step on the grass" => parkour. "we tell you when you can have a drink" + "MILITARY SIKRITS" - this thinghow you call it
mp_en_viaje: phf, but i have my doubts they ever saw the underground mags. for one hand, half of them hand made, for other in french
mp_en_viaje: usians read french, so much so it alters their behaviour ?
phf: yeah, but they saw the youtube of same
mp_en_viaje: monkey see... quite possible
phf: in 2009 or so, if you did ue at night, there was always a person who was body aware, who would've heard of parkour or was practicing it. shit, half of america was doing parkour in the 05? 15? i don't remember
mp_en_viaje: somewhere in between
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, recently they had some somer odf disarmament deal, saw person today aggitating for farc to be included as voting bloc in their electroal process...
mp_en_viaje: ive nfi specifically. but on the strength of eyewitness reports, both cali and medellin are just about where they were 20 / 50 ya
asciilifeform: sounds like a sad end, sorta like the irish thing
asciilifeform has deeply nfi, it may as well all be on alpha centauri, from his perch
mp_en_viaje: ie, "there's this neighbourhood, they kidnap 2-3 tourists each they. but generally they reappear a day or two later, clothes all ragged up and all dizzy like" "sounds like a helluva party"
mp_en_viaje: i can see who'd go for a kidnap as an activity.
phf: kidnap experience, 5000eur basic package
mp_en_viaje: can you say you know no one who'd go ?
phf: that's where you're just groped by two brazilian lads. of course there's also the executive package, 20000eur, where you're forced to perform mildly degrading sexual acts in front of a masked audience
mp_en_viaje: eh gtfo, nobody here has seen 5k in a pile like ever. what 20k.
asciilifeform: waiwat? in cocainistan?!
phf: well, they won't see it either, the whole adventure is organize by a swiss middle man, utmost discretion
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, yes. what, this is surprising ?
mp_en_viaje: nobody in usgistan saw the printingpress either.
asciilifeform: bbbut briefcases of benjies!11
mp_en_viaje: yaya. who's gonna show them what's inside.
mp_en_viaje: phf, ya lol.
asciilifeform: troo, i never saw what's in obummer's briefcase also.
mp_en_viaje: so there you go.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff i ~did~ see the printing press.
asciilifeform: ( the literal one. at one time, long now gone, one could get -- by appointment -- a tour... )
mp_en_viaje: btw, in other lulz : the "executive suite" here has corner desk. in case i'm you know, so used to my vp corner office i would fill remiss without the L item.
mp_en_viaje: aeron chair too.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: they had also in bucharest
mp_en_viaje: aha. who the fuck even uses those things ?
mp_en_viaje: i mean, the ottoman before the bed. yes. yes ofcourse. but this ?
asciilifeform: i can't think of who or why
asciilifeform: i suppose it is for sitting and shouting 'biznis!!' , per trinque's picture...
phf: they are perhaps there for fucking
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i meant the current item, the blessed ipad where yellen adds the zeroes
mp_en_viaje: not museum pieces
mp_en_viaje: phf, on an office table ? why, to chastise the poor girl ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: well it wasn't a museum piece, was printing out a coupla mil in old-fashioned paperbenjies per minute. but i get the idea.
phf: not enough clearance for the head, perhaps if only across
mp_en_viaje: and in other lulz, sex toy's shop (nfi why the dildo store needs the possessive plural, but it is very common) had fustas (crops)
mp_en_viaje: utterly terrible. i nearly bought one for its cargo cult quality
mp_en_viaje: 100% how the item would look if made by people who saw but never used crops.
phf: you'd know it was the real deal if they were selling shillelaghs instead
mp_en_viaje: also, you know, very matriarchal structure, somehow. anecdote : bought some i dun recall what from respectable (and very competent, and eager to do well) middle aged woman in shop. as we left she called girl back, all worried like,
mp_en_viaje: to warn her not to go with purse open like that, there's thieves! to which i retorted that theres nothing of value in there anyway, which completely blocked her.
mp_en_viaje: how, just HOW!!!! could the purse not be the definitive holder of all value!
mp_en_viaje: i fully expect that aspiring middle class adolescents do this as a courtship thing, dood asks girl he fancies to "hold on to his wallet" in her purse or something.
mp_en_viaje: sorta like how girl might ask dood to hold on to her keys in gringolandia
phf: a societal markov chain
mp_en_viaje: best kind there is
phf: i thought they were a macho culture though, seems like it would be "zapadlo" to make woman protect your possessions for you
mp_en_viaje: other anecdote : different woman, ~same age, warned ~me~ to put my wad away, there's thieves. this one, you see, hadn't yet accepted her age. so she was being useful, "if you had one like me, your cash would be so protected. ask me to follow ?"
phf: there's women so poor, purses contain everything of value they have in general
mp_en_viaje: they're a false macho culture. like the us is a false technical culture.
mp_en_viaje: aus krummem holze...
phf: short of direct robbery i'm always mystified by this thieves thing. thank you, i utterly lack spatial awareness and if not for your warning i would've had this wad of cash yanked straight outta my hand!
mp_en_viaje: religious fanatics going about yelling "our church of santa fe de mit is da premiere technologistical church IN DE WERLD"
mp_en_viaje: phf, there is such a thing as a snatcher, and such a thing as a pickpocket. though... social behaviours serve social purposes. "it's dangerous!!!" for instance works very well for selection. anecdote : ro consul introduced pretty girl, intern at embassy. over sushi she confessed her unimpressment in local boys, "i was walking down candeleria and these dorks were lke o no, it's gotten dark, it's dangerous and soon enough made themselves scarce. wel...
mp_en_viaje: "boy who believes mother will never get himself laid, because mother tells him things that'll help girl to know not to fuck him". society neh.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-31#1778594 << these 'well wishers' were pestilential in timis
a111: Logged on 2018-01-31 02:19 mp_en_viaje: other anecdote : different woman, ~same age, warned ~me~ to put my wad away, there's thieves. this one, you see, hadn't yet accepted her age. so she was being useful, "if you had one like me, your cash would be so protected. ask me to follow ?"
mp_en_viaje: by now securitywank is the premier, if not only left, avenue of strangers talk.
mp_en_viaje: notice that kid coming in here wants to talk to us about... yes ? security!
mp_en_viaje: sorta like how soccer, or "politicians are thieves" worked in 90s post warsaw pact world. reliable agreement items.
asciilifeform regaled with endless tales (3rdhand, naturally) of pickpockets by various folx, severely 'overengineered' his pockets, for travels, and felt quite foolish on occasion , 'ok before i pay, let me do this here stage magic with cloth', 'no it aint up me arse' etc )
mp_en_viaje: if you but always look at people looking at your eyes, seems improbable anyone's ever pickpocketing you.
asciilifeform: bbut legendary pickpocket arts!1
asciilifeform: though on asciilifeform's home world, pickpocketry was largely a thing practiced on public transport, where 'contact' was less noticed
asciilifeform: i did not go in any standing-room public transport, with the exception of short train ride in bucharest
mp_en_viaje: where do you keep your dough, affixed with chewing gum to the back of your shoe ?
asciilifeform: last time sorta sewed in, lol
mp_en_viaje: anyway, pickpocket is a sort of picking pennies in front of steamroller, which is why desperation art, rare when food's abundant. every success is pocket change, failure can be a severe beating or worse.
mp_en_viaje: so the pickpocket is both very attentive and very easily discouraged.
asciilifeform: hm, i pictured it was a serious thing, in orc world where proper cash is still in use errywhere
mp_en_viaje: also why associated with ~inept~ whores. gals like http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/#selection-77.0-77.504
asciilifeform: ( in usa, pickpocket will die of frustration before even starvation, ~nobody uses actual paper money )
asciilifeform: or at least nobody who rides trains or buses
mp_en_viaje: stolen cc prolly worth more than average orc pockets contents
asciilifeform: cc is stolen 'cleanly', copied by shop clerks, waiters, no reason to go into pockets
mp_en_viaje: well... "it is here". reason.
asciilifeform: pocket will realize it's missing , quickly
mp_en_viaje: not even. "maybe i misplaced it". people have lots.
mp_en_viaje: i knew women with >dozen in active use
asciilifeform: srsly?!
asciilifeform: who, saudi princesses ?
mp_en_viaje: it boggled my mind, but then it turned out common practice.
phf: when i was a child i wanted to be able to catch a pickpocket, in the process, and then invite him to work for me (i'm not sure doing what, but you know build a team of highly skilled thieves or somesuch), kind of like how it was in the opener of Thief game. unfortunately by the time i actually had money to cary, it didn't seem like a particularly interesting idea
asciilifeform never saw this, maybe it was in past era
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, a no, lower middle class sorta gals beffudled at "omg lobster is so much more expensive than hamburger paste" "a dollar ?" "YES!"
asciilifeform: phf: lol!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i think there was briefly an era of 'easy' creditcard, when given like candy, in bush 1st term. nao gone
mp_en_viaje: phf, i spotted lots, mostly getting the butt pocket. nfi why people kept wallets in there in the 80s
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, my memories of us are early 2ooos
asciilifeform: they had these tables on uni campus, issuing cc to freshmen, etc in 2000s
asciilifeform: aa! so then yes.
mp_en_viaje: i expect the "observe whore, invite to work for me" is more like a phase in sexual life of adolescent.
phf: heh
phf: oh it totally makes sense
phf: particularly when all these scenarios have a consistent "and she turned out to be a pretty girl" punch line
mp_en_viaje: and cook well and love you in the seinfeld sense
mp_en_viaje: (when i'm sick -- you'd better be there with the soup!)
mp_en_viaje: anyway, nothing wrong with the basic instinct of manhood, it gave us domesticated dog and so on.
phf: given the general going ons i wouldn't mind "basic instinct of manhood" as a kind of working baseline, to improve upon later
mp_en_viaje: certainly.
mp_en_viaje: heck, whole republic is nigh on predicated on it, "observe item almost work, invite it to genesis".
mp_en_viaje: who knows, maybe gnat even turns out to have ai.
mp_en_viaje: it is just about as possible!
asciilifeform: great thread, incidentally, on ave1's new www.
mp_en_viaje: link ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-30 16:45 asciilifeform: !~later tell ave1 http://ave1.org/2018/on-ffa-chapter-1/#comment-15
asciilifeform: d00d is pretty good i dare say at askingquestions .
mod6: evenin'
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
mod6: hai!
asciilifeform spent some time today reading 'risc-v' ( see earlier thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739645 ) proponents' arguments against the carry flag. apparently they're not entirely retarded, flags indeed make pipelineism 10x moarcomplex
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 17:36 asciilifeform: the only way to detect overflow on risc-v is the algo i used in ffa.
asciilifeform: but i see it as really argument against pipelines, not against flags...
asciilifeform: also finally found what appears at least on surface to be a knockdown argument ~in favour of bigendianism~ :
asciilifeform: it obstructs in the concealment of c casting bugolade
asciilifeform: ( on little-endian box, e.g. uint32_t with 'most of the time'-range below 255 will be 'safely' castable to char/uint8_t , and often is... )
asciilifeform: on bigendian -- such idiocy immediately lethal
asciilifeform: it is not imho wholly coincidental that microshit, as early as '80s, proclaimed a fatwa against bigendianism and promised eternal support for littleendian cpu strictly.
asciilifeform: ( and to this day kept to it, e.g. NT existed for dec alpha, little endian, but never afaik ppc or sparc, big- )
mp_en_viaje: well that fucking sucked.
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