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BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10998.83, vol: 9330.86488949 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10984.0, vol: 35700.96082875 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11000.0, vol: 5683.54464019 | Volume-weighted last average: 10988.5215768
asciilifeform: ohai BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: rack ready ?
BingoBoingo: Getting close
asciilifeform: what's missing ?
BingoBoingo: Wire is expected to hit the datacenter account Monday. This weekend configuring and double checking the configuring of the switch and the musl Qntra
phf: "How Two, Bored, 1970's Housewives Helped Create the PC Industry www.fastcompany.com"
phf: "Important Women in CS Who Aren't Grace Hopper www.hillelwayne.com"
shinohai: (Won't archive )
spyked: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776901 <-- neato! ftr, it seems that pingback responses vary a lot across web server configs, wp versions etc. some blogs. for example wordpress.com-hosted blogs give undocumented (or sometimes empty) responses, probably as an anti-spam measure. (after filtering out non-pingbackabble sites, I sent all pingbacks manually, just to look at responses)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-26 16:00 mircea_popescu: spyked all in.
jhvh1: spyked: The operation succeeded.
mod6: mornin'
shinohai: Heya mod6 .... afternoon! lol
mod6: i guess it is huh haha
mod6 worked hard yesterday, extra zzz's needed.
mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic: Please let me know if you have any updates for your Advertised Republican Nodes to conclude the month of January.
shinohai: I have none besides advertised nodes I showed you yesterday.
mod6: oh from bitnodes?
shinohai: yeah.
mod6: Ah, ok.
diana_coman: spyked, fwiw, pingback arrived fine
mod6: hi diana_coman
diana_coman: hi mod6
mod6: how's eulora stuff these days?
diana_coman: re nodes: mine is still there but still not at the top; I even pressed and ran asciilifeform's patch but it's unclear to me if it helped tbh; I admit I did not have much time to really dig deeper there exactly
diana_coman: eulora is chugging along, atm focus is mainly on getting eucrypt done
mod6: *nod*
mod6: does your node use an SSD? mine doesn't and is @ 506042, and the net is @ 506402
mod6: heh, that moment where 'mimisbrunnr' is a block ahead of other blockchain sites...
mod6: so yeah, mine lags behind too because of sloooooow disk.
mod6: (and fwiw, im running the aggressive push blocks too, which should help. but too IO bound to matter with slow disk)
diana_coman: ah, that must be it then; no ssd :(
spyked: diana_coman, yeah, but your webserver is ultra-conservative on user agents. :) the one from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-19#1773164 didn't work, so I faked one from an existing browser, which eventually did the trick. (nb for whoever wants to craft xml-rpc requests manually)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-19 18:34 mircea_popescu: !~later tell spyked hey, does your tarpit not send pingbacks or is there some error ? what's the response if you say curl -v -A "Mozilla/5.0" -r 0-4096 --connect-timeout 30 --max-time 10 "http://www.dianacoman.com/xmlrpc.php" --header "Content-Type: text/xml" --data "<?xmlversion="1.0"?><methodCall><methodName>pingback.ping</methodName><params><param><value><string>http://trilema.com/2017/re-reading-is-the-most-powerful-tool/
diana_coman: hm, what was the error you got on that one that didn't work?
spyked: diana_coman: here's the output: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Nlokl/?raw=true and the script I used http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/z0nep/?raw=true it would seem ngnix expects user agents to meet a particular spec (that I haven't figured out exactly) before delivering pages
spyked: (and it's not obvious from the error message either; but it's possible that there's a bit more info in the server logs)
diana_coman: spyked, thanks; looks familiar even so one of these days I'll have to get around to look at it and shoot it in the head
diana_coman: fwiw it looks like some mod_security mess
spyked took a look through how mod_security does user agent-based filtering and stumbled upon http://archive.is/ELI4u#selection-1478.0-1518.2 lulz; no idea how a programmatically-generated string can be botched up just like that.
ben_vulpes: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11551.14, vol: 10348.41527763 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11570.0, vol: 34357.10597093 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 11529.1, vol: 5932.07693913 | Volume-weighted last average: 11561.3543874
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777388 << at the risk of repeating -- mechanical hdd is ~useless for trb work
a111: Logged on 2018-01-27 20:10 diana_coman: ah, that must be it then; no ssd :(
asciilifeform: it sorta, possibly, worx, when in striped-raid; and worked ok prior to fullblox era
asciilifeform: but today -- nope.
asciilifeform: a mechanical-hdd node is possibly even worse than none. causes chronic frustration for its owner and anybody who tries to sync from it
asciilifeform: really a kind of tarpit.
asciilifeform: potentially they could work at something like normal speed, with something like http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-25#1776380 . but that's not a Troo Adult Noad
a111: Logged on 2018-01-25 19:29 asciilifeform: btw i'll mention again a simple method to speed up sync (to a point) 1,000x or moar -- signed hashes ( a la the programmable checkpoint thread from 2yrs ago )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777381 << i was thinking, the '% of wallclock time spent waiting for blockverifier' , '% of wallclock time spent waiting for newblock' stats really oughta be part of standard 'getinfo' output
a111: Logged on 2018-01-27 20:02 diana_coman: re nodes: mine is still there but still not at the top; I even pressed and ran asciilifeform's patch but it's unclear to me if it helped tbh; I admit I did not have much time to really dig deeper there exactly
asciilifeform: mod6 et al ^
asciilifeform: it will readily reveal the cause of a 'behind' node
asciilifeform: though i will point out, for completeness, that i saw NO substantial 'behinditude' on zoolag since feeding it the pill against shitoshi's sync retardation.
asciilifeform: i had the above stats patch on the conveyor, but abandoned when saw that there is no mystery anymoar for it to resolve..
ben_vulpes: works just fine with striped raid
mod6: not a bad idea asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: plox to quantify 'just fine'
asciilifeform: dulap-II had a serious striped-raid ; still took 5x as long to verify same block as fist-sized, raidless ssd zoolag.
asciilifeform: the latter having ~1/32th the cpu horse of the former.
ben_vulpes: obviously is going to be slow, but mimi has zero trouble keeping up with the tip-o-the-chain since applying your patch
phf: striped raid might solve write speed issue, but not seek time issue
asciilifeform: phf: actually opposite
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit
phf: err, actually scratch the whole thing
asciilifeform: well actually it'd be : ~read~ seek-time is shortened on striped-raid; write-seek -- slightly increased ; absolute contiguous speed of r/w -- unchanged
phf: what i meant to say was read speed issue, but not seek time issue, but i'm thinking that seek time ~might~ improve because of parallelizable seeking
asciilifeform: ( exercise for the reader, to see why )
asciilifeform: ( in 'striping' , the platters turn deliberately out of phase )
mod6 looks
ben_vulpes zoidbergs
mod6: ben_vulpes: got it
asciilifeform polishing off ch9. which will contain, among other things, The Seekrit Of all-iron guaranteed-constanttime mul , with only ~8% penalty over iron mul.
asciilifeform: which afaik has never been published anywhere.
mod6: Lords and Ladies of The Most Serene Republic, I present to you a pre-patched *EXPERIMENTAL* version of my vtron (99993), along with a patch to show changes from V (99994): http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-January/000287.html
asciilifeform: oh hey hey hey lbj !
a111: Logged on 2018-01-27 17:29 spyked: !~later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26#1776901 <-- neato! ftr, it seems that pingback responses vary a lot across web server configs, wp versions etc. some blogs. for example wordpress.com-hosted blogs give undocumented (or sometimes empty) responses, probably as an anti-spam measure. (after filtering out non-pingbackabble sites, I sent all pingbacks manually, just to look at responses)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-22 14:55 asciilifeform: the only actual standard in whole fucking machine is the mains cord.
asciilifeform: this is pretty great, mod6 , i'ma test it this wk
mod6: The formal release version is planned of course. Thanks for paitence, and help to get this vtron in proper working order.
mod6: asciilifeform: ch9, cool! I'm pretty excited to dive in.
asciilifeform: mod6: out of curiosity, where are you in it
mod6: lol, i've not "formally" started it. I have however, looked through most of 1, 2, 3, and 4. Did the homework for ffa_calc. But again, not enough to say "I've done it. Lemme sign."
mod6: So I'm gonna circle back around, do it all; start to finish.
asciilifeform: mod6: do not hurry to sign. intention is, to slowly eat it, and sign when it begins to seem as if 'wrote yourself'
mod6: *nod* makes sense.
mod6: I gotta get this mission critical stuff with vtron out of the way. Then should be undertaking myself.
asciilifeform: imagine year is 1985 and you hammered it in from a magazine page...
mod6: :]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777409 << a properly rewritten trb-blockchain would actually work ok on plated disks.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-27 22:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777381 << i was thinking, the '% of wallclock time spent waiting for blockverifier' , '% of wallclock time spent waiting for newblock' stats really oughta be part of standard 'getinfo' output
mod6: keep up the good work asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ( sometimes i wish that i could convince people to ~actually do this~, lol )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it would, i already established it in my torture room
asciilifeform: ( the one with the O(1) indexer and the 'nursery' last-few-hundred-blox holder , as discussed last yr )
asciilifeform: the latter lives in ram
mircea_popescu: yeah, not contentious.
mircea_popescu: but it;s not that machine is useless "for trb work". current trb is useless for machine work.
mircea_popescu: ie, a toy item rather than production ready.
asciilifeform: it ain't retrofittable to trb imho, however. too many inoperable tumours in trb.
mircea_popescu: trb is whatever the foundation releases.
mircea_popescu: just like eulora etc.
asciilifeform: in that sense worxgreat, sure.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-27#1777455 << great exercise, actually. type in each chapter's version of ffa
a111: Logged on 2018-01-27 22:54 asciilifeform: ( sometimes i wish that i could convince people to ~actually do this~, lol )
asciilifeform: aha, it ain't so big
mod6: it's a bit deep to walk in alf's big footprints through the adventure.
mod6: :]
mod6: the adventure is worth it though.
asciilifeform: oh hey is that mircea_popescu's new kitten
mod6: emmylark: no offence intended with my comments a few days ago. was just having some fun with unknown n00bs.
emmylark: Hello everyone. There was no offense taken.
trinque caught the rick and morty reference
mod6: Good deal. :] Nice to meet 'ya.
mod6: trinque is on point
emmylark: It is a pleasure indeed.
emmylark: I was wondering if I might make a request?
mod6: request away.
emmylark: So those numbers, for my tits? May I have some more of them? One from anyone willing to entertain me?
mircea_popescu: ahaha check her out, going public already.
mod6: S.TITS
mircea_popescu: i give numbers out, slut.
emmylark: Apologies, sir.
emmylark: May I please have some more numbers? Like the ones for my tits?
mircea_popescu: what are you up to ?
emmylark: Nothing sir. I just want some numbers.
mircea_popescu: i r suspek. but, hey, why not.
emmylark: Thank you sir.
mircea_popescu: 3abfa6e2 c77a3015 f54c10bd 28bcf278 e95353d4 611d180c 4615295d 690c7bd4 54f68227 e27d2955 66797b99 ccb93f79 ef0a26f7 2726742b cdbaeded 08cf1ce6
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently the martian titbank happens before the martian moneybank.
mircea_popescu: see, girls outrank boys in innovation implementations!
asciilifeform: nooseateleven
mod6: haha
mod6: ok DC said they'll throw in an SSD for me. so that's awesome. hopefully that'll get my node caught up and stay caught up.
hanbot: tyvm
asciilifeform: oh hey congrats mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually had 1 of these as homework in american school, 3rdgrade
asciilifeform: everybody got jars, 1 caterpillar ea.
asciilifeform: they used to migrate as far north as here. ( perhaps still do ? somewhere )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This summer there were a few in my garden
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually had 1 of these as homework in american school, 3rdgrade << yah, same.
mod6: neat-o mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is slightyl different, iirc northerner monarch chrisalis looks more like a turd
asciilifeform: iirc it looked exactly like mircea_popescu's
asciilifeform: greenish, ~acorn-shaped
mircea_popescu: gold sparks and everything ?
mircea_popescu: i still have nfi how they do those. is it what, copper ?
asciilifeform: it's been a quarter century, can't recall how much gold speck...
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is suggesting new peaks of luxury. they spend ~half hour waiting for their wings to dry / batting them slowly. if you get a few dozen coordinated chrysalises you could have quite the grandiose dinner table.
mircea_popescu: pin them on naked sluts piece montee in the middle of table.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> gold sparks and everything ? << ya, mine too.
mircea_popescu: awesome.
asciilifeform: i recall the wing-drying specifically.
asciilifeform: iirc they dun reliably sync, however, >day of variance b/w various pupils' hatchings
mircea_popescu: it was quite visible inside towards the end
asciilifeform: maybe if all the jars were in a proper incubator, with thermo/hygro-stat
mircea_popescu: i bet there's something you can measure to time them
BingoBoingo: All I know is they like to park their asses on bare galvanized with for their personal transformations. For two weeks the tomatoes suffered mucho de stinkbugs.
mircea_popescu: you mean the butterflies ? iirc these only eat milkweed
BingoBoingo: Nah I mean with the butterflies there I refrained from gassing the stinkbugs. They crawled from the milkweed to the tomato cages to transform.
BingoBoingo: Anyways musl servering is going well, building a trb on the box because gotta test for republican standards compliance.
mircea_popescu: you never published the server order list.
mircea_popescu: that's the top priority, else we'll be paying for an empty rack while the endless doodling goes about with getting servers delivered.
BingoBoingo: I haven't recieved it. I'm going to poke them again now.
mircea_popescu: and in case it's not obvious: there's a MAJOR opportunity here for someone wanting to deliver a service for pay. why is nobody advertising "i will produce boxes and ship them to bb" ? have "the boundless blablas" buffett assigned to america died QUITE that dead ?
BingoBoingo: Someone here has to need a vacation, mircea_popescu might be the only other person in the republic with better weather scheduled for the next two months.
asciilifeform: this is mildly reminiscent of the 'hand-delivery for FG service' thread
asciilifeform: maybe i'm thick, but , let's say mircea_popescu wants a server magicked into existence. would he want to pay the cost of a asciilifeform-carries-in-suitcase-in-airplane-to-BingoBoingoistan in the cost of said box ?
trinque: idea of this is nonsense. why don't I contract with latechco directly for a 1U if I have to do that
mircea_popescu: trinque for me not for you!
mircea_popescu: if i want 5 boxes, what do i do now ?
trinque: I'm definitely not flying a box to bbisp
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with fedexing it!
asciilifeform: possibly nothing. or possibly argentina-style problem. ( anybody tried yet ? )
asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu recall my fedex to ro ?
mircea_popescu: notrly ?
trinque: guy's talking about vacations. shipping has been plan B if there's no machines to acquire on the spot
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the orig prototype rng
mircea_popescu: trinque i have been pushing him to produce me a list of machiens that can be bought for what, three weeks now ? six ?
trinque is on the same page, wants the list
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall getting that ?
mircea_popescu: had a battery tackon and erryhing.
trinque has been a pretty vocal interested party in a 1U for a while
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you did. and how it took , what , whole month on top of the Officially specced <week , and showed signs of passing through who knows what ordeals
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is what i'm saying!
mircea_popescu: $900 writeoff for "expert" that didn;t as much as write on her tits, now $3k write-off for "month of pulling dick atop empty rack", the joys of business over here.
asciilifeform: not quite empty, iirc BingoBoingo thought a few moves ahead, brought some boxes in suitcase
mircea_popescu: i am exaggerating for to make the point.
asciilifeform thinks he grasps
asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo , let's test fedex. gpg me an addr you can get mail at.
mircea_popescu: this is a good idea.
mircea_popescu: we'll be needingf a buncha fgs anyways.
mod6: Can I get in on that fg order?
mod6: I wanna send like 4 down there.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think ima just get s.nsa to make bbisp an offer buy some to have on hand.
asciilifeform: oh hey, mod6's doubly-tested fg !
mircea_popescu: or you mean send your own ?
asciilifeform: mod6 oughta charge a markup
trinque: BingoBoingo: pls to send shipping address my way as well
mod6: lol, i didn't mean mine no. but i guess i could do that.
mod6: i'd be fine with the ones that are alreday down there though.
mircea_popescu: mod6 imo it's counterproductive to do it that way ; but each his own
asciilifeform: mod6: i dunget it then, what does your 'in' consist of
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that he eventually wants to have the infrastructure down there for his own boxen
mod6: Just was thinking I'd be/foundation would probably be happy to purchase 4 from whatever gets shipped down to bb.
asciilifeform: i dun see any reason for'em not to travel already installed inside boxen
mod6: yes, mircea_popescu. exactly.
trinque is trying to not let the ad hoc process here rustle his jimmies
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly because other parties assemble teh boxes.
mod6: fair point asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: trinque by all means, let it rustle.
mircea_popescu: the whole point of this public company is that.
mircea_popescu: check out new meaning of PUBLIC company coined in tmsr forum!
asciilifeform: ( they are readily inserted in most rackable boxen that have internal usb port , but if it's a 1u then you need a 90degree adapter for the plug )
asciilifeform: and some doublesided stickytape.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you basically willing to sit on newegg/amazon/whatever and package boxes to mail over ?
asciilifeform: no reason why not
mircea_popescu: also go over there if fedex turns to shit ?
asciilifeform: supposing that it is actually necessary, and those heathen outfits would not ship straight to bb
mircea_popescu: ^ guy somehow managed to get a boxful of pogos through customz.
trinque: well for starters, when I get a quote out of folks for something that's 200 cheaper than another quote, oughta be understood that I'm helping the damned negotiation. that was annoying.
asciilifeform: and why not go. i'd actually much like to bring the three s.nsa boxen over with own hands
trinque: if not what, trinque's playing some game?
mircea_popescu: trinque i deliberately didn't want to hussle on the price ; i don't want THOSE $200. but it was understood.
trinque: ah ok
mircea_popescu: trust in the non-idiocy of the lordship, you will rarely be disappointed.
trinque haggles like an indian, but I see it
mircea_popescu: i don't because i want them to have a vested interest in sucking my cock.
asciilifeform: iirc this was discussed in old thread
mircea_popescu: what i don't want is to leak 10x the sum to unrelated third party scammer-whores, ie whores that don't even strip.
asciilifeform: where mircea_popescu gave a picture, 'i'ma buy a 6th item in the place that has the correct 1-5 already, and even for moar dough'
trinque: stated as it is, I get it
mircea_popescu bought tyres + inner tubes at place which had shorter "guarantia" and charged slightly more than place which did not offer the inner tubes. "why not just buy tubes and take them to other place ? they said they'd do it" "stfu"
mircea_popescu: was regaled with the most incredible display of local competency ; indeed global competency ever encountered. three kids switched out and back in five tyres in like 12 minutes.
mircea_popescu: they talked so fucking fast I HAD TO TELL THEM TO SLOW DOWN FOR ME! I!!!
mircea_popescu: i've... not even ever said that before.
mircea_popescu: i think with some minimal tweaks that shop could go on the f1 trackside.
mircea_popescu: oh and btw -- if your expensive imported german car isn't rolling on tubed tyres, do try them on. it... it makes a fucking difference.
asciilifeform: didja inflate with argon too
mircea_popescu: butterfly tears.
asciilifeform: that's for radiator !
asciilifeform: panda tears for wiper tank.
mircea_popescu: trinque i expect you know exactly how it goes, a couple hundy extra puts you way at the top of ~the excel spreadsheet~. which is worth it from a service pov. i think you follow the strategix involved.
trinque: I can give the benefit of the doubt that DC will see it that way, sane foot to start upon.
mircea_popescu: (for noobs : most fiatola businesses keep an excel spreadshit detailing the per account roi.)
mircea_popescu: trinque the fundamental point is that if they shit in it, it'll be ~their~ shitting in it. obviously orcs will be orcs, anyone recall say http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/ or w/e
trinque: at question wasn't the amount of money, but that two different answers came out of a vendor. I have dealt with many, many a credit card processor.
trinque: and so, instincts tuned to those cockroaches
mircea_popescu: yeah. if this was comcast...
mircea_popescu: but i can't go that way after having specifically organized a painstaking and complex process to rule out teh comcasts.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-28#1777618 << the wisdom of this sinks in. can't fish for humans with shit for bait.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-28 01:01 mircea_popescu: trinque the fundamental point is that if they shit in it, it'll be ~their~ shitting in it. obviously orcs will be orcs, anyone recall say http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/ or w/e
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: i couldn't have put it better myself.
mircea_popescu: !!rate mp_en_viaje 1 will be travelling for the next week ; feel free to use this temporary item in the interval.
deedbot: mp_en_viaje is not registered in WoT.
asciilifeform: oh hey asciilifeform's algo
mircea_popescu: !!rate mp_en_viaje 1 will be travelling for the next week ; feel free to use this temporary item in the interval.
mod6: before: ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 398571ms; db write wait: 215439ms
mod6: after : ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 10994ms; db write wait: 1471ms
mod6: zoooooooom
mod6: height=506130 and climbing
mod6: so yeah, pretty clear. spinning rust and TRB do not mix.
mod6: (this one has aggressive push blocks too)
mod6: zomg : height=506430
mod6: almost there!
mod6: lololol
mod6: im having a grand ole time
mod6: nice melons
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm doing spencer and it's coming along beautifully!
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