#trilema | 2017-12-13

mircea_popescu: "if i want to wear shredded bottlecaps i'll just make my own, dorks"

asciilifeform: sustainably(tm)(r) knitted from fibers grown in the skins of sustainable(tm)(r) diverse(tm)(r) nation of africa nationals ?

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo bingo.

mircea_popescu: jesus fuck i was waiting to pop that one since i met him.\

mircea_popescu: I AM SO RELIEFED

BingoBoingo: Plastifuzz has great utility as cloth for dusting, but that property makes me disinclined to cloth self with plastifuzz

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the thing i liked most about it was that chick now speaks... exactly like me.

mircea_popescu: it's uncanny.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is only 'great for dusting' when new. but i've found that lens cleaner cloth is ~disposable, it dun 'micro-' no moar after 1st wash.

mircea_popescu: shinohai ahaha wow. blog some selections plox ?

asciilifeform: so may as well buy the single-shot wipes, same type as for rifle barrels

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if any girl touches any lens with any non-natural fiber that girl thereby gets a whopping.

mircea_popescu: wtf is this. god invented cotton and silk for this reason.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What wash, buy by the tens of pounds.

BingoBoingo: and no for lenses

BingoBoingo: plastifuzz picks up hella abrasives

mircea_popescu: plastic scratches. it's the ~one thing it does well.

shinohai: One good thing about teh South, I used to go out back behind the cotton mills and get tons of free soft cotton rags.

shinohai: No bleach, nada

mircea_popescu: shinohai can go into drier, pick up free lint!

mircea_popescu: if you use no synthetics, that is.

mircea_popescu: for logistical clarity, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750338 refers to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750321

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 15:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo bingo.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 15:28 BingoBoingo: So, it turns out looking directly for abogados was a mistake. The accountant has popped the gringo bubble. Apparently gringos seeking tax shelters for existing money go to abogados. Empressarios like myself go to consultadoras.

mircea_popescu: and logistical evidently refers to the logs.

mircea_popescu: and other clarifications as may in time be needed.

mircea_popescu: and so on.

diana_coman: and etc!!

mircea_popescu: like http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/ ?

mircea_popescu: in other statistics nobody cares about : out of 1817 females under 30 with an interest in kink that checked out http://trilema.com/2017/galati-yachting/ this month, OVER 900 !!!! thereby inferred that saving turtles is what i do for a living, my job or in some manner similarily my profession or occupation.

mircea_popescu: THIS IS ALMOST THE MAJORITY

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750286 as they say.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 02:34 asciilifeform: what do folx need to have inside their crankcase, to swallow it.

asciilifeform reviews linked item, with some surprise notices that it in fact mentioned a turtle

mircea_popescu: but apparently these idle-liberated domestic appliances HONESTLY BELIEVE carrying half an ounce over half a yard a coupla times one morning constitutes enough contribution to the general welfare of humanity to thereby eat, every day, and perhaps who knows, even 7k robe, one day.

asciilifeform: http://www.devo.com/bladerunner/sector/2/interrogation.html << oblig turtle.

mircea_popescu: btw you ever had the soup ?

asciilifeform: notyet

mircea_popescu: prettygood.tw

mircea_popescu: btw, does .tw stand for trigger warning yet, or still pretending taiwan is country ?

asciilifeform: it'll end up a discount '.tv' before long. telewision.

mircea_popescu: haha

asciilifeform: tho the proper king's englisch 'tw' word is, obviously, 'twat'

asciilifeform: ( i in fact dun know any other that begins with 'tw' )

asciilifeform: twilight, i guess

mircea_popescu: upon re-wreading, it occurs to me "idleberated" is not even such a bad word to describe the situation of various wenches, maids and whatnot who belabour under the misapprehension that they're excused from the obligations their servile social class imposes on them

asciilifeform: twin. ( what else..? )

mircea_popescu: (and no, limiting this to "take master cock whenever master feels like" is VERY disingenuous. maids' knee is a thing FOR A FUCKING REASON ; servile class spends most time workign, not fucking.)

asciilifeform: who is the subj of this observation ? presumably the chix work for living somewhere, neh

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform twice tweed twain twine etc etc

asciilifeform: ^ yeah at this point i got

shinohai: mircea_popescu lieks turtles.

mircea_popescu: (for bonus lulz : twattle, evidently a twat cognate, means to buffer, to mitigate, to cushion. RITE ?)

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> btw you ever had the soup ? << The snappers back home make excellent soup. The bigger and meaner the better.

asciilifeform: there exist also 'twerp'

shinohai: mircea_popescu trb nod twattles ... perfect terminology

shinohai: *node

shinohai: it buffers, but in wrong sense! xD

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha. i had it in... missouri, i think. quite excellent.

BingoBoingo: The only mandatory thing is a big snapper with proper death and postmortem treatment

shinohai: Hey BingoBoingo you seen one of those red bird shirts like Quagmire wears down there?

BingoBoingo: Que?

shinohai: I need a red shirt with Birds on it so I kinda look like Quagmire for this party I'm going to.

BingoBoingo: Ah, the locals dress in all sorts of manners. I am not obviously a foreigner until I open my mouth. And then... They still mostly guess Brazilian...

BingoBoingo: Aqui, foreigner seems to correspond either to Argentine for ones that speak like them or Brazilian for foreigners who speak funny.

shinohai: My friend in Memezuela finally got in touch. Think he's got a visa to Italy in June.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform managed to pass for troo orc in ro when closing mouth. it isn't hard, with closed mouth

mircea_popescu: oh and in other randoms : yest i saw girl shirt reading in big thick font "blowjob is still better than no job"

asciilifeform: ( so long as one doesn't suffer from http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#816570 problem )

a111: Logged on 2014-08-30 21:57 mircea_popescu: "i dunno... maybe stop sending niggers ?"

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I saw a teeny bopper with a shirt that said "Acid Please" in montevideo shopping.

mircea_popescu: gave her some ?

BingoBoingo: Nah, not actually Braziallian. Don't have the psychadelic hook up... at least not yet.

mircea_popescu: lol that word keeps morphing it's gonna end up brazen-alien

BingoBoingo: Would be apt

BingoBoingo: They seem to keep the economy here flowing. Uruguay's own voluntary Indian fat reserve.

mircea_popescu: shinohai : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750345 (and also, consider constructing a mass messaging rig as pluriously described on trilema ?)

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 15:32 mircea_popescu: shinohai ahaha wow. blog some selections plox ?

shinohai: mircea_popescu: link to mass messaging $item handy plz?

BingoBoingo: Anyways, the consultadora has begun the work of massaging a bank account out of Itau which apparently is impossible for estadosunidense as private individuals, but no problem for business individuals.

BingoBoingo: Contrary to all the web derping about "Gringos are condemned to BROU"

mircea_popescu: heh.

mircea_popescu: nice going.

mircea_popescu: took her out for lunch yet ?

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this -- supposing it actually worx as-printed-on-the-box -- is pretty neato.

BingoBoingo: The venezuala? Not yet. I will probably ask her if she wants me to have some food ready when she comes for spanish lesson tonight.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do. find an upmarket steakhouse, take her for lunch (not dinner) one day at her convenience. this isn't in any sense sexual ; but it is a good idea to leverage the environment to impress upon the help that it is indeed a very good idea to be as helpful as humanly possible.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently they have an estadounidense in their office who bas bank account through "series of simple tricks"

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, the consultadora, whatever that is.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, the consultadora is a small firm. How the locals say "accountantancy", there is she there who is my primary contact.

mircea_popescu: that one.

mircea_popescu: the polychinelle's secret about people is that everyone wants a new friend just as much as you do, if not more. makes things easier.

BingoBoingo learning so much.

mircea_popescu: menschkeit, bro.

mod6: mornin'

mircea_popescu: doing business, and especially being in business is principally a STYLE.

BingoBoingo suspects they want to make friends with my friends after I presented expected revenue from rack (10kusd gross) and expected number of clients per rack (less than 10).

mircea_popescu chuckles privately, yet again, at random harlequins thinking themselves "persona di stile", http://trilema.com/2016/the-%d0%ba%d0%b2%d0%b0%d1%81-bdsm-party/#comment-118601 -style.

mircea_popescu: how's teh frosts mod6

mod6: Not too horrible this morning. We got like maybe half-inch of snow overnight.

mod6: It warms up when it snows (as it's cloudy), so it's at least 15 degrees warmer than yesterday. Tradeoffs :]

mircea_popescu: going for ducks ? or wait, no ducks where you live huh

mod6: There are ducks here ya. I hunt pheasant tho.

BingoBoingo rolled into meeting wearing short sleeve button up red work shirt, khaki cargo shorts, and carried very slim attache case.

mircea_popescu used to go just about now, for river ducks. early to mid december, when it snows a little and as aresult warms.

mod6: I've bagged about ... 11 or 12 so far this year.

mod6: i've got a long way to go. I'd like to get ~50.

mircea_popescu: do they have season where you're at ?

mircea_popescu: ro had very few (for some reason most ppl prefer to go for pheasant, i have nfi) so it was like... one week in oct and one week in jan, pretty much 1 to 7

BingoBoingo: US duck season tricky thing. Regulated by migratory bird treaties with pete_dushenskiLand

mod6: Starts mid-october until spring. Most people quit when the snow gets too deep.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, that must suck. from memory it was just about "while snow on the ground"

mod6: Duck is good eating. I don't have all of the equip. for it. Most guys have a lot of decoys and a blind or boat of sorts.

mircea_popescu: mod6 you don't need either decoys or boat. you need an excellent dog, which is the problem.

mircea_popescu: errything else is fluff. but yes, sourkraut duck, to die for.

mod6: I don't have a low-land dog either, no. Definitely need a newf or lab or whatever.

mircea_popescu: but in general -- the duck is harder shooting, because pheasant is dumb as rocks, will let you come close enough to fucking arrow it to death. duck will not. but with modern rifles this isn't a problem.

mircea_popescu: some people actually need the extra quarter mile or w/e decoy/caller buys you, but really, healthy human doesn't actually have to need it.

BingoBoingo: AHA, in usa duck needs to be taken with shotgun using steel shot

mod6: I'd imagine that there wouldn't be much decent meat left after getting hit with a rifle round.

mircea_popescu: still, if you manage a mile-and-quarter kill or some insanity like that, you really want the dog to do the running for you.

mircea_popescu: mod6 well you don't want explosive round lol. but anyway, picking the lead out from the pheasant in experience not much worse than eating around the hole in the duck.

mod6: I can't imagine trying to hit a fast-flying anything @ 100 yds with a rifle much less a mile and a half.

mircea_popescu: they fly very predictably. but anyway, mile-and-half is you know, stuff of legends.

mod6: haha. i imagine.

mircea_popescu: you'd use something like i dunno, 1oz tungsten shot ?

mircea_popescu: pretty much 12gauge standard for waterfowl anyway.

mod6: I use .12 ga lead #6 shot.

mod6: Does the job. I try to shoot 'em within 20-50 yds.

mircea_popescu: i think duck is usually #2 or i guess #4

mod6: Any more than that and they're gone.

mod6: Ducks fly fast tho, ya. I should give that a try next year.

mircea_popescu: per tradition it's higher on the hierarchy of hard game

mircea_popescu: turkey possibly easiest, below grouse, rabbit, anything

mod6: i wanna give turkey a try too. i hear it's a lot of walking, but lots of fun.

mod6: I think it'd be good exercise if nothing else.

mircea_popescu: yeah. it's possibly best beginner game, basically golf with clubs that shoot

mod6: haha. werd.

mircea_popescu: pheasant NOT MUCH DIFFERENT :D

mod6: What kinda blows my mind about the turkeys is the like to roost in the trees.

mircea_popescu: yep

mod6: *they

mircea_popescu: you have grouse there btw ?

mircea_popescu: or how do you call the little runny bird in this language

mod6: Yeah, for sure. I've never been grouse hunting tho.

mod6: People love to eat em.

mircea_popescu: gotta pay attention with them

mircea_popescu: yeah. you need like a dozen to make a meal, but the meal is worth making.

mod6: Yeah, otherwise you get the ole dick-cheney to the face.

mircea_popescu: the who ?

BingoBoingo: Ye Ole birdshot to the face

BingoBoingo: W's veep

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> gotta pay attention with them << shooting things that walk on the ground -- a bit more risky ya.

mircea_popescu: ahahaha

asciilifeform finds that he cannot think of grouse without recalling mayakovsky's 'Ешь ананасы, рябчиков жуй, / день твой последний приходит, буржуй.'

mircea_popescu: yes well, let's ideally not do that then, lol

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you getting fired up with proletariat rage over thar ?

asciilifeform: nah it's just this old skull attic furniture, this rhyme.

mircea_popescu: ftr, ananasy is like, cheapest fruit here, on a per lb basis. apples are like... WHOA.

mircea_popescu: and also not very good, us imports.

asciilifeform: a grous is рябчик , and for most of life asciilifeform never encountered it in any other context.

mircea_popescu: yop ever had it ?

asciilifeform: one day i'd like to so much as see one

asciilifeform: outside of a picture, i mean

mircea_popescu: uh.

mircea_popescu: they're very hardy, pretty much every farm has them. go for walk post wheat harvest, there's 100s

mircea_popescu: at least in humanlands.

asciilifeform: now where to find wheat field...

mircea_popescu: satellite shows you!!1

mod6: You'd think there would be a bunch just west of where you are.

asciilifeform: mod6: so far all i found : corn

asciilifeform: and soy.

mod6: Ah, might be pheasants in the corn though.

asciilifeform: lotsa lotsa soy.

mircea_popescu: ^

mircea_popescu: if there's woods by the side, pheasant almost guaranteed

asciilifeform: pretty sure i once saw a pheasant.

mircea_popescu: and also, i guess, fox.

asciilifeform: fox even here in the shitlands

asciilifeform: right on the streets

asciilifeform: sometimes i see flattened ones

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hanbot once saw fox on traintrip in romania, guy was like, standing watching the train, 20 meters off if that.

mod6: Last weekend I was hunting and saw 5 huge bucks across the open field. Was like O_O.

asciilifeform: mod6: that's the 1 reliable animal we have here

asciilifeform: it's errywhere

mircea_popescu: mod6 problem is, if you actually take one of those, you gotta do something with a quarter ton of meat. what, take in 6 more women ?

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> now where to find wheat field... << Wheat fields are a seasonal thing in US, check bean fields a few weeks after harvest

BingoBoingo: <mod6> Last weekend I was hunting and saw 5 huge bucks across the open field. Was like O_O. << Vermin!

mod6: mircea_popescu: indeed! lot of meat on an animal like that.

mircea_popescu: yeah. i always was more of the ... how to put this, defensive hunter ? "i don't mind killing things but i really dun wanna carry them" sort.

mircea_popescu: i shot a grand total of 1 doe. and honestly the excstasy wasn't worth the laundry.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mod6 problem is, if you actually take one of those, you gotta do something with a quarter ton of meat. what, take in 6 more women ? << No where close on a deer. Large buck (deer) is usually ~100 kgs total weight/

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i am in hunter mode, applying numeric factor of 2x to 9x as need be.

BingoBoingo: Ah

mircea_popescu: please respect my culture & traditions.

mod6: mircea_popescu: its quite a lot of work. i helped dress my buddies buck this year. took ~3 hours.

asciilifeform: 9x << i thought that was fishing mode

mircea_popescu: mod6 and that's if you know what you're doing. otherwise, takes ~3 fingers.

BingoBoingo: Now moose, elk, feral cow...

mod6: we took the hide off, then hung it in the garage for 4 days.

mod6: let the meat age. then cut it up.

mod6: I love those venison burgers, we mix it 50/50 with ground up pork butt.

mircea_popescu: a yeah.

mircea_popescu: perfect like that, even the fat.

mod6: yeah, adding in the fat really helps hold em together. Venison is so lean.. makes a damn good rare stake too.

mod6: *steak

mircea_popescu: yeah but how many rare steaks can you eat in a week.

mod6: Shit, like maybe 2.

mircea_popescu: ikr ? i'm at like 1.25 or so.

mod6: These guys go out and take 1-2 deer, that is probably enough for at least the whole winter.

mircea_popescu: yeah. and in places like alaska, say, where they do take a moose now and again, it's more convenient because freezer everywhere.

mircea_popescu: but in temperate zone, really, ima pay to freeze that much meat for months so as to have month-old meat for months ? BUT I DUN WANNA!

mod6: Right.

mircea_popescu: only way is to have a large population that can eat it, somehow. though iirc usg was pretty shitty about preventing hunter sales.

mircea_popescu: i guess if all the "exclusive gated community" schmucks weren't so schmucky thery could have a delegated hunter, get your steak in the mail by 10am.

asciilifeform: iirc in feudal jp they had.

mircea_popescu: sorta like how milk works (or worked, dunno, maybe they did away with that too)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup.

BingoBoingo: Back in old country, most people had a good chunk of their venison processed into salty "stick" form for long term sub freezing refrigeration.

mod6: Yeah, srsly now. It'd be great to have a local wild-game guy, just like butcher or automotive repair guy.

mod6: I really want to get some elk steaks, but no where to be found in immediate area.

mircea_popescu: exactly!~

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i guess if all the "exclusive gated community" schmucks weren't so schmucky thery could have a delegated hunter, get your steak in the mail by 10am. << In old country missouri village of "Town and Country" licenses hunters, but only as far as reducing the traffic hazard posed.

mircea_popescu: then THAT guy can afford to take a buck or something, knowing full well that in a coupla days its gone anyway

mod6: True enough.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah but really, meat distribution is teh point.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, in re milk thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728908 and elsewhere ) -- i found out that there is apparently nao an Official loophole -- while it lasts -- in usgistan : raw milk sold 'for cats' , for piles of money , wink, nudge, posh clientelle fills up thermoses

a111: Logged on 2017-10-25 18:32 mircea_popescu: but yes, timisoara has automated raw milk dispensing machines. while that lasts, which is to say until some dumb cunt "raises awareness" enough on facebook

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If the locals in old country were sane it would be

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahaha nice.

asciilifeform not tried yet

mircea_popescu: mod6 and the thing is, meat age matters IMMENSELY. unless you operate a smoking thing, which fwis is all but unknown in the us, and unless i guess you know how to rot it properly (whicjh again, is nice, but MAYBE once a month sorta thing, like the romeo&juliets), in order to eat a steak shot-this-morning i'd pay, but really i wouldn't eat a "straight from the freezer" steak unless i have to.

mircea_popescu: huge difference there.

mod6: ah, indeed.

mircea_popescu: if you can sell the meat without having to preserve it ~at all~, you got a fiddy to a hundy buck a pound sorta thing. if not... whatever costco charges, 9.95 or such

mod6: I think those guys in alaska have something figured out with those full walk-in smokers they built with logs, etc.

mircea_popescu: then again, there are those places that'll take your meat and make it jerky. not very expensive, but back to "and how much jerky can you eat ?!"

mircea_popescu: mod6 ayup. cold smoked meat is perfectly acceptable, what else are you gonna have for breakfast. that, salmon, breastmilk, so on.

mod6: Aha.

mod6: Jerky is great, but it's a hassle to make ya.

mircea_popescu: speaking of mother's milk, britt sells these macadamia nuts covered in black chocolate here. they go fabulously well with danish cookies, but i have the following complaint :

mircea_popescu: the correct proportion is like .7 cookie to the nut. since the macadamia come in fixed size, how about they change the damned cookie size to match my needs!

BingoBoingo amazed by how much better everything dairy and chocolate here is compared to old country.

mircea_popescu: innit!

mircea_popescu: it's because women here breastfeed.

mod6: Here they just feed the babies Diet Coke.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that plug in ?

asciilifeform: ( other than the obvious way observed by uncle al, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671450 )

a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 17:31 asciilifeform: 'FDA specifically bans from human infant formula ("felonious fortification") the addition of a tetraunsaturated fatty acid only found in human breast milk. Near as anyone can tell, its only metabolic purpose is to encourage brain development. Human milk for human babies - or you bring up a Democrat.' ftr.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform woman's milk is good quality ; powdered crap/soy/etc is not. child forms good tastes from his mom's tit.

asciilifeform: aa possib

mircea_popescu: that's why you don't permit your kids to live in room with "posters" of idiotic pop "legends". let them have roman antiquity decor.

mircea_popescu: costs a little more, but then again what's the money for.

mircea_popescu: btw re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750533 : you are aware costa rica routinely dominates catches in pretty all categories ? they get literal quarter ton tuna here.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 16:48 asciilifeform: 9x << i thought that was fishing mode

mircea_popescu: swordfish longer than teh boat. and so on.

mod6: Doing some fishing like that could be a pretty fun time.

mod6: Trying to haul in a vw bus.

ben_vulpes: funnily enough, the family democrats have failed on parenting to the degree that "she only eats white things" like...bread. pasta. plastimilk.

ben_vulpes: while my two year old is scarfing down olives, prosciutto, spicy chilis, with nary a blink.

mircea_popescu: you know apparently lots of (badly brought up) girls go through this "only white things" phase ?

mircea_popescu: musta been in some disney or something

ben_vulpes: it's almost as though they never thought to have the fun of putting novel tastes in the kid's face

mod6: bleach all the foodz

ben_vulpes: (clearly also lacking in the discipline to say "eat what we eat or go to bed hungry")

mircea_popescu: what bed.

mircea_popescu: "love the fucking food or else you do dishes all night and then straight to school at 8am missy"

ben_vulpes: hahaha

mircea_popescu: the reason i deal with 16yos not 6yos becoming ever more apparent.

ben_vulpes: if you let food become such an issue that you're fighting over it at dishwashing age you dun fucked up way the fuck uptree.

mircea_popescu: as they all did.

mircea_popescu: i've yet to encounter this wonder, correctly parented hussy. but who knows, maybe it's just me.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly that those never reach escape velocity ?

mircea_popescu: why not ?

asciilifeform: now that i couldn't know.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other alt-milks, http://78.media.tumblr.com/b8af049219fec2d4c22e14cb09813834/tumblr_nkd1a2gZSr1u06pkwo1_500.gif

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it's your theory!

asciilifeform: nobody said theory had to include a 'why'!11

ben_vulpes: has anyone even "parented <republicanly> correctly" in history?

asciilifeform: prolly sometime before the sybilline books burned

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, that guy cut down some cherry tree...

ben_vulpes: the washington apocrypha?

mircea_popescu: no good ?

ben_vulpes: just a lie like the rest of the american myth

mircea_popescu: mod6 incidentally, they have it pretty well streamlined. spend a grand or so, hire a boat with crew, go fishing for the whole day.

mircea_popescu: imo very much worth it for the fisherman.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not very possible. it's easy to believe that "thank you for your leadersheep" cocksuckers a la mccain and what's-his-name-married-ketchup aren't worth pressing for glue. HOWEVER back when the country was poor and the us president depended on the largesse of european middle class to afford a meal in a decent restaurant, they HAD to have had some folk with mettle

mircea_popescu: or otherwise the us'd never have occured.

mircea_popescu: (and yes for MOST of us history, the us president couldn't afford to pay for restaurant meals. fact.)

ben_vulpes: the apple tree was a spectacular spot of marketing; doesn't mean the guy lacked in steel.

mircea_popescu: perhaps. or perhaps vice-versa : apple tree was spectacular bit of steel, marketing cocksuckers trying to take it over.

mircea_popescu: between these two i can't discern.

ben_vulpes: lol right, salary last time i checked as a kid was what, 100k? sounded like lots when i was a kid but today...

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> imo very much worth it for the fisherman. << yah, pretty reasonable for a guided trip. probably be a blast.

ben_vulpes: moreover, what does sitting prez a la obab even pay for. agent orange clearly living at mar a lago because omfg rats in the white house

mircea_popescu: for the pres ? salary is recent invention.

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja mean peperoncinni ? or actual mexican chillies ?

ben_vulpes: the american stew of sloth, poverty, beans, paprika, and various meats

mircea_popescu: tradition in mp's slice of old world is that hot peppers not good for single-digit age kids.

mircea_popescu: "makes them short"

ben_vulpes: still astonished the pantsuits that a) child can eat with spoon and b) would eat something with flavor

ben_vulpes: the retardation with these folks is astonishingly deep: get this. one wife placates her children with an ipad meditation app.

mircea_popescu: how's that work ?

ben_vulpes: because (it gets better), "it works wonders for my most disturbed children at school"

mircea_popescu: but what's it do ?

ben_vulpes: yes, this is a woman who is an american "school counselor" and she interprets her job to be placating kids with fucking ipads

ben_vulpes: there's a spoken word meditation guide and some rhythmic pulsing

phf: clearly, it meditates on the child's behalf

mircea_popescu: to revisit tradition : there are two main strands in "wet nurse pacifying neglected upper class kid his mom dun want" : the irish and the italian.

mircea_popescu: the irish wetnurse mixed whiskey in the milkfeed ; the italian wetnurse masturbated the infant.

mircea_popescu: both strands live and well as late as 1900s.

ben_vulpes: yes well now we have transistors and the high-pixel density hyperattractors

ben_vulpes: and traditional fun is bad.

mircea_popescu: the rhytmic pulsing thing may not be terrible. iirc actually works on mild autism.

ben_vulpes: 'tis the hole through which the camels nose comes in.

ben_vulpes: next thing you know they'

ben_vulpes: they'll demand inane child content all day

ben_vulpes: dude the horror that is youtube's autoselected content for wee ones is unplumbable.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750614 << for my own peace of mind, wtf is a theory in your view ? cuz to my mind, theory = pairing of allegedly observed phenomena with aleged causative factor.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:12 asciilifeform: nobody said theory had to include a 'why'!11

ben_vulpes: strictly designed to turn the learning part of tiny brains off and turn them into drooling zombies.

phf: ben_vulpes: as far as i understand some of those videos are actually algorithmically generated?

ben_vulpes: some yes! monetization algorithms get the humans to do a lot of the work as well, which helps the whole 'ecosystem' escape local minima

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, causative factor , a->b, but not necessarily includes one for ..->a

phf: apropos, i was always curious if that old school binaural sound generator program from the late 90s could be used to pacify children, but never had a chance to try

asciilifeform: phf: lol, remember 'computernarcotic' ?

mircea_popescu: ic!

asciilifeform: there were a buncha these

ben_vulpes not going to try, computronium strictly off-limits to the feeble-minded and children in my house

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that is impossible. nature computes.

ben_vulpes: that's not /computronium/

mircea_popescu: how do you expect digestion works. computational machines ALL THE WAY DOWN

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i used to work with a number of d00dz who had young chillunz, they all bought rubberized tabletrons for'em 'as soon as knew how to hold it'

asciilifeform: was frightening thing.

phf: asciilifeform: i actually bought, at some point, at "garbushka" bazaar, a cd with a psychedelic design, that had an entire collection of all kinds of "computernarcotic" softwares

ben_vulpes: i speak stricly of the miserable agglomeration of transistors with no purpose

mircea_popescu: takes 6.023e23 LUTs per 18kgs of water to FIND LEVEL.

asciilifeform: lol!!

mircea_popescu: but it comes with guarantee : will NEVER fail ; ALWAYS find.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truths!

asciilifeform possibly had an essay re subj even

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sounds like Real America

mircea_popescu: i think so.

mircea_popescu: this convo somehow ended up so fucking dense i keep having to re-read from behind

mircea_popescu: must be all teh protein.

phf: ben_vulpes: have considering buying him a commodore or somesuch, i.e. a basic repl machine that you can also use to teach him about the meaning of peek/poke?

asciilifeform: lol asciilifeform also rereading

asciilifeform: commodore a++++ recommended

asciilifeform: if you can find a working one

ben_vulpes: i actually caved for a plane ride recently, procured a set of entirely unobjectionable 45-minute videos of various animals tearing each other apart. imagine my fury when the downloadotron had failed to save these for the flight!

asciilifeform: ( or a display for it, for that matter )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750615 << anyway, this is probably going to be a recurring topic.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:12 ben_vulpes: has anyone even "parented <republicanly> correctly" in history?

ben_vulpes: phf: some day perhaps, he is well occupied learning to make me breakfast and working on his basic numeracy at the moment

phf nods

a111: Logged on 2014-07-10 18:07 benkay: latin, ballroom, the classics, various kinds of combat

phf: did you give him a copy of lord chesterfield's letters to his son? :p

ben_vulpes: phf: haw no but looks grand

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750682 << in retrospect, regarding the matter cooly and with the disinterest of old age, i can affirm that this is ~the only important and enduring portion of computing as an education tool in my life. it's what feeds eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749457 and everything in between ands up to that : the 6yo mp's discovery that there exists a numeric universe underneath, and that it's t

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:32 phf: ben_vulpes: have considering buying him a commodore or somesuch, i.e. a basic repl machine that you can also use to teach him about the meaning of peek/poke?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-11 19:40 mircea_popescu: cut through the gringo fleecing zone, and the quicker the better.

mircea_popescu: he only reliable and effectual fabric of reality.

deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/13/midwester-rube-on-uruguay-one-week-in/ << Bingo Blog - Midwester Rube On Uruguay One Week In

mircea_popescu: peek and poke.

asciilifeform: ^^^

mircea_popescu: this is a revelation ticos, for instance, by and large never achieved ; and you will be surprised if you examine young slavegirl hopefuls, in that they also, do not see the world as mere covers stretched on a numeric structure.

asciilifeform: i have yet to meet, i think, a d00d worth half a shit on a comp , who didn't grow up with a 8bit micro

mircea_popescu: amusing what iniquity this brings, seeing how fucking terrible i am, and yet by 8bit priviledge...

phf: "my son is so smart, he really understands the technology!! he plays with his ipad all day" on the other hand

mircea_popescu: a lot of smarter folk put A LOT more work than i ever did into "modern computing plarform" and didn't get as much out of it.

asciilifeform: that's what makes idiotrons destructive -- they can absorb ~infinite sweat, work, brain cycles, and give back nuffin

asciilifeform: can you picture what's left of a man after 20 yrs of javascript ?

mircea_popescu: no.

asciilifeform: 'miner's lung' for the mind.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750625 << dunno re this. iirc washington was one of the megaplantators of his time ( albeit by marriage ). jefferson not exactly 'poorfag' either.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:18 mircea_popescu: (and yes for MOST of us history, the us president couldn't afford to pay for restaurant meals. fact.)

mircea_popescu: very poor.

asciilifeform: by standard of euro royal houses -- poor. by local standards ?

mircea_popescu: french not-even-rich guy gambled away in one night the income for 100 square kilometers of plantation

mircea_popescu: IN EUROPE. new world didn't make similar revenue per acre until 1920.

phf: jefferson has a lot of lulzy stories of balling out while he was an ambassador to france. he's also the person who advocated 10 year (5?) debt removal system, being perpetually in debt

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no such thing as restaurant outside of paris, vienna, and a few more.

mircea_popescu: took london a while to get one, even.

mircea_popescu: phf word. numerous stories, as far as eu was concerned, us were a sort of you know, haitians.

mircea_popescu: so -- yes washington was mega plantor ; yes this is respectable ; no it wouldn't have bought him a set of dandy shirts.

asciilifeform: i dun think anybody imagined the plantators being loaded by euro standard.

phf: american "founding fathers" in a lot of ways remind me of the three musketeers" "i sold this ring from a countess that i fuck, let's go have some proper food"

mircea_popescu: ^

asciilifeform: not far from where asciilifeform lives , there is a preserved manor house from enormous plantation, that once covered what is now 4 or so townships. the house is quite tame by even timisoara standards.

mircea_popescu: timisoara was a major center in the 1700s and 1800s.

asciilifeform: what 'rich' means muchly depends on locale. 'rich chukcha' has moar deer, i imagine. rich plantator -- moar ground. but there is not a habsburg house for him to live in, he cannot buy it any more than he could have bought a pdp-8

mircea_popescu: to prove this, i bring the following point : in http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ the lord of swabia complains that the city council won't get him stuff that, by the standards of the empire';s holds in belgrade, would be very modest.

mircea_popescu: timisoara was the sister city.

mircea_popescu: (the film is exceptional in that it summarily but correctly renders the early capitalism dissolution of traditional feudalism : the lord wants a "ballet" so as to line up the nubile daughters of the land for feeling up ; the councilmen do not wish to give him ~the money~ to make one because it's their fucking daughters. capital exists, in the early modern phase, to dissolve the traditional family, in the strict sense of liber

mircea_popescu: alizing the women market.)

mircea_popescu: the propagandistic aim of the film is to propose that the agent of this dissolution was the ethnic jew. which... well, it's a dubious point like all truths of propaganda. but the thing it DISTRACTS from is that... without women market there's no modernity, which is to say no "progress" or steam engine. a point poorly diggested by the councilmen of the peasantry,

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even nao not everybody's sold on this modernity thing -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749994

a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 23:41 mircea_popescu: he doesn't specifically care if it's 1500s german peasant life, ie, outright medieval peonage. just as long.

mircea_popescu: and THIS is why jefferson advocated nonsense : not because "he was perpetually in debt", but because the style of womenholding he had grown up in and preferred was untenable. which is why he was in debt and also why he was pro silkver and everyhing else : feudal lord wanting to compete with the moderns and discovering he can't, and that the cuntlets dun care.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. but i sure as fuck am not contemplating "a woman for every man and who cares what she looks like" nonsense.

asciilifeform: dunno that jefferson subscribed to it, at least in this formulation

mircea_popescu: (amusingly, the "balabusta" concept, which is used in romanian to denote a fat GYPSY woman, but actually is a jewish word denoting a comme il faut (ie, fat) housewife is proof positive thjat the jews were in fact even more traditional than the peasants that hated them)_

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform evidently did.

mircea_popescu: that he cheated it is no proof against ; but on the contrary, proof he did.

mircea_popescu: you can't cheat rules you don't believe.

asciilifeform at one time took a stab at reading jefferson, to try to find out what specifically the man subscribed to. but walked away with picture 'was simply prolix d00d who couldn't manage his 'creditcard', nuffintowritehomeabout'

mircea_popescu: my reading was slightly different. "strange sort of new world equivalent of old world aristocracy, stranded in incomprehension through lack of language and, properly speaking, any sort of tradition supporting him"

mircea_popescu: the closest conceivable item, the haiti plantationeers, spoke french.

asciilifeform: j gave the impression of longing for his one troo motherland, france-with-platinum-creditcard-on-expenseaccount

mircea_popescu: see ?

mircea_popescu: he wanted to be the duke of rohan.

mircea_popescu: henri thomas, duc de rohan.

mircea_popescu: why louis antoine and not henri thomas ? LIFE IS SO UNFARE

BingoBoingo: And instead Jefferson became duke of Appalacia.

mircea_popescu: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Antoine_de_Rohan-Chabot << item

BingoBoingo: Folk hero nobel of the hill people.

BingoBoingo: brb, stroll

mircea_popescu: doesn't pay as much as... BingoBoingo you know that line, "it doesn't profit a man nothing to lose his soul for the whole world... but for Wales ??!"

mircea_popescu: ozarks are like... the altcoin of wales.

BingoBoingo: lol

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750644 << is there something more fun than pestering the meditation-type chick while she's trying to ?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:23 phf: clearly, it meditates on the child's behalf

mircea_popescu: "hey, you're supposed to not get angry!"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750654 << well i wasn't proposing it hasta be on ipads obv

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:27 ben_vulpes: dude the horror that is youtube's autoselected content for wee ones is unplumbable.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750659 << word! the WHOLE schtick with the "monetization" nonsense is 100% "hey kid... wanna take a job with no security, no insurance and subminimum wage ?" ; ie "This is the system. If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it works before you spew nonsense to your local Fox

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:29 ben_vulpes: some yes! monetization algorithms get the humans to do a lot of the work as well, which helps the whole 'ecosystem' escape local minima

mircea_popescu: affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that. The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist

mircea_popescu: at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for The Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid." on steroids.

asciilifeform: ahahaha it's from that piece that he deleted

mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Blick_%C3%BCber_den_S%C3%BCden_von_Cluj.JPG << there

mircea_popescu: great piece, too.

mircea_popescu: in fact, the item that brought him to my attention.

asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's eyes also that was the piece that made the d00d stand up from the background hiss

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750661 a better question is why exactly does one want to pacify them. god knows the erect penis is the only item in short supply, why fuck with it. how about instead of spedning a dime to "pacify", spend the dime to buy more acreage ; get them a dog and don't let them back in the house until the dog's not so exhausted it can't stand up.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:29 phf: apropos, i was always curious if that old school binaural sound generator program from the late 90s could be used to pacify children, but never had a chance to try

asciilifeform: dime lol

mircea_popescu: as a kid what i did with my time was that i ran up three flights of stairs to drink (straight from the faucet, who the everloving fuck has the time or the patience for glasses!) a stomachfull of water, then run back down and keep fucking running.

mircea_popescu: this bookended by full jars of jam on either side carried me well into two digit age.

asciilifeform: for typical usaschwitz inmate, 'acreage' is measured either in decimal 'dust' fluff ( if mortgagist ) or in big fat 0 ( if urban zek ) . but mircea_popescu probably knew this.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i lived (with 10`000 other kids all my exact age) in a purely hruscheba neighbourhood ; to the point i was SUSPICIOUS of traditional houses.

mircea_popescu: but asciilifeform perhaps also knew this.

asciilifeform: aha. if mircea_popescu's orcistan looked anything like the old-town of timis, then it looked quite like asciilifeform's.

asciilifeform: but they dun have these in usa, afaik.

mircea_popescu: mmm lessee, must be some pix

mircea_popescu: it was called... the aurora!

asciilifeform sings 'что тебе снится, крейсер аврора...'

mircea_popescu: aha lol

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how much of the old-times flats still stand ?

mircea_popescu: all those were there when i was 5

asciilifeform: neato.

mircea_popescu: the pic looks recent

asciilifeform: troo

mircea_popescu: taller item on down right is a hospital actually. the rest, typical ro 4+1 double-sided apt buildings, 3 rooms and 4 rooms, for 2 parents + 2 kids.

asciilifeform: dish antennae, toyotas.

mircea_popescu: it wasn't even a bad design tbh

mircea_popescu: anyway, this item ran for maybe 10 or 20 sqm, in which there were however many thousands of the blocks they could fit.

mircea_popescu: it was almost entirely built late 60s and throughout 70s, and populated as it was built.

asciilifeform: asciilifeform must confess, that he did not live in a hurscheba-type until it was almost time for the airplane ( after the ancestral home , an early 1900s flat , had been sold )

asciilifeform: i recall asking why is the ceiling low, and nobody had answer.

mircea_popescu: there was answer! "cheaper to heat"!

asciilifeform: well noshit

asciilifeform: and moar plebes per cubometre

mircea_popescu: honeslty i much preferred the density. made all sorts of буржуй bullshit untenable and plain-evidently not desirable.

asciilifeform: oh hm like what ?

mircea_popescu: such as having to explain why she's supposed to strip.

mircea_popescu: there's a lot of idle and stupid pompousness "traditional" society still clinged to after ww2 in europe.

mircea_popescu: possibly the lowest precious cuntlet factor i ever encountered in my life ; and i personally credit the active male population and high density.

phf: ^

asciilifeform: what exactly is a 'precious cuntlet'

mircea_popescu: moscow same deal ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aspect of the coy behaviour.

phf: yeah, pretty much

mircea_popescu: i am somehow not surprised.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aka недавашка ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the happy female is plain and direct. the poorly quartered female is neurotic and generally obnoxious.

asciilifeform: ( is there a straight ro equiv word ..? )

phf: i suspect downtown, where they had "early 1900s flat"s, it was a bit different, but on the periphery of the city, where they had "sleeping neighborhoods" it was pretty much the same as described. (we had 15 storied buildings with a slightly more space in between instead)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there isn't ; chiefly because the old folk didn't want to think about it and the kids such as me had no idea it even existed. "suspicious of trad houses" hides a lot of meaning.

asciilifeform: i ended up, briefly , in a 15 . gotta wonder where the 15 came from , possibly it is 'tallest that folx can endure regularly walking up to with groceries , given that lift ~never works'

mircea_popescu: lifts worked.

asciilifeform: woah

asciilifeform: high-tech.

mircea_popescu: transylvania had this great advantage over run of the mill russo-kirghizstan, in that it was old crown land.

mircea_popescu: ALL SORTS of bs the sovtards were doing other places never happened here.

phf: i don't think i've ever seen a non-working lift in moscow! certainly never two (and there's always two in those 15s) at the same time

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, myeah; worked as long as there was electricity; and if you lived in a town with any big industry,there would be random blackouts meaning you'd get stuck in the lift between floors

phf: oh yeah, the electricity thing…

mircea_popescu: diana_coman but cluj wasn't slatina. it had... computers and chocolate factory and panties and you know... large campus for all the arab friends.

mircea_popescu: i don't recall the power ever going out.

mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, well, not exactly industrial city, what

mircea_popescu: phf yeah but odessa is not moscow :D

mircea_popescu: now, the gasoline, that was a major fucking issue.

mircea_popescu: you could have i dun recall, maybe 10 galons/mo ? and the queues looked almost like modern traffic jams.

asciilifeform: by all accounts moscow and rest-of-su were just about separate planets.

diana_coman: at least that: in ploiesti you could get it ...probably even directly from the air I suppose

mircea_popescu: i expect lol.

mircea_popescu: buncha people actually used toluene

mircea_popescu: stolen from the paint factory.

asciilifeform: ( consider the often-used 'light' punishment in su penal code : 'the 101st kilometre' . i.e. exile-from-moscow. )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lift discussion notwithstanding, ~best possible thing that can happen to a girl is to spend her 6 to 16 decade going up and down 12 flights of stairs 12+ times each day.

mircea_popescu: dat ass...

asciilifeform: nao this is so.

mircea_popescu: buy her heels and fresh beef and let her be.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750671 << my interest in that stuff was limited to those "unfocus eyes for 3d" things ; and fractals ; and shit like that.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:30 phf: asciilifeform: i actually bought, at some point, at "garbushka" bazaar, a cd with a psychedelic design, that had an entire collection of all kinds of "computernarcotic" softwares

mircea_popescu: wtf is the "psychedelic" supposed to do, i never could figure out. all sort and manner of kids were into all sorta manner of "psychedleic" bullcrap, from special light-things to "interpret" the music (installed eg under car seats! made the whole experience fucking nauseous) to what have you. but... why ?

mircea_popescu: the why was never answered.

phf: that was basically what it was. i think there was maybe 3 total "cyberdrug" programs, but the rest was basically visualizers and sound generators lifted from all over

asciilifeform: kidz alsowanted to know the 'why'. is, i suppose, why they did it.

mircea_popescu: there was a mp3 player that ran on the 286, i played clayderman on it while the dots moved. i guess it was kinda cool, or at least teh girls liked it lots.\

mircea_popescu: "O WOW TECHNOLOGY!" ~that~ was the technology. somehow.

asciilifeform: sorta what a kid is, neh, this brownian-motion probe that goes and first does, ~then~ possibly finds out 'why', if it lives.

mircea_popescu: that is true

phf: there was for example the game of life editor/simulator and at the same time winamp with a bunch of plugins bundled

mircea_popescu: this wasn't winamp... wtf was it...

mircea_popescu: no soundblaster or anything, used the speaker. i imagine it cheated and clipped to 16 bit.

mircea_popescu: MPEG only sorta thing.

asciilifeform: afaik no sound decompressor worked worth half a shit on 386 and pre

asciilifeform: was all straight 8b pcm

phf: well, winamp had a visualizer plugin for it, written by a democoder guy who went into gaming (he did, for example, the visualizer for the original xbox). it was a kind of visuals construction kit

mircea_popescu: gah i wish i remembered wtf it was called. it actually had equalizers and shit. 640px vga too

asciilifeform: and was played using clever method , where normally '1-bit' pc speaker membrane was allowed to travel 'partial' way , squeezing extra 'bitness'

mircea_popescu: phf yeah but this sounds like 486 fare

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha!

asciilifeform: you could know that a proggy used this method if you tried to run it on a comp with piezo beeper: would sound like rubbish

mircea_popescu: yup!

asciilifeform: e.g. msdos megagame 'star control 2' used this type of audio

asciilifeform: and a few others

asciilifeform: but afaik was mostly a 'demo' item.

mircea_popescu: molst of the better ones did. they towards the end managed even VOICE

mircea_popescu: !~google crime wave dos game

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Crime Wave DOS Longplay (1/4) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMgDJ6EH-CBI>; Download Crime Wave | Abandonia: <http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/535/Crime%2BWave.html>; Crime Wave | ClassicReload.com: <https://classicreload.com/crime-wave.html>

asciilifeform recalls.

phf: hehe

asciilifeform: it ate 100% cpu tho

asciilifeform: so was used sparingly

phf: could be played on my dad's computer at the NII though :p

mircea_popescu: http://www.abandonia.com/files/games/535/Crime%20Wave_8.png

asciilifeform: woah, vga!!

mircea_popescu: yup

asciilifeform never saw a colour comp display until usa

phf: i've actually tried playing it quite recently, i couldn't get more than 2 screens forward. i've gotten soft with these modern "video games"

mircea_popescu: that game actually owned any possible videogame store item, they had those quarter operated console things ?

mircea_popescu: phf i recently mastered captain comic with my sister. we used to play it (she shot) when she was like...5 ; then we ACTUALLY managed to finish it, for the first time ever. she was more like 25.

mircea_popescu: !~google cat dos game

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Alley Cat - DOS Nostalgia #1 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQyAngaNVx5Q>; Alley Cat (video game ) - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alley_Cat_(video_game)>; Download Alley Cat | DOS Games Archive: <http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/alley-cat/>

mircea_popescu: YEAH!

asciilifeform: that was my 2nd ever game

mircea_popescu: anyone recall that one ? you're an alley cat ?

asciilifeform: after 'digger'

mircea_popescu: manic miner ?

asciilifeform: i still have 'alley cat'. on hp 200lx.

asciilifeform: !~google digger windmill software

jhvh1: asciilifeform: Digger : Windmill Software : Free Streaming : Internet Archive: <https://archive.org/details/msdos_Digger_1983_1983>; Digger (1983, Windmill Software ) Gameplay - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D_Llby6mpU58>; Digger - Back and Digitally Remastered: <http://www.digger.org/>

mircea_popescu: oh

mircea_popescu: !~google chuckie egg dos game

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Download Chuckie Egg - My Abandonware: <https://www.myabandonware.com/game/chuckie-egg-2jw>; Play Chuckie Egg Online - My Abandonware: <https://www.myabandonware.com/game/chuckie-egg-2jw/play-2jw>; Chuckie Egg gameplay ( PC Game , 1983) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DCyzOINa-g0U>

mircea_popescu: aha! that was my 2nd i think ; after the jumping jack one

asciilifeform: hm 'egg' loox like a 'lode runner' clone.

mircea_popescu: q possibly.

phf: mircea_popescu: alley cat triggers some ~really~ old memories, i.e. i played it before i even have conscious awareness of things

asciilifeform: ^^

asciilifeform: recall the room with the cheese ?

phf: there's actually a bunch of games that i only have a vague awareness of that i only spent an hour or two playing at various research facilities and construction sites

asciilifeform: !#s hard hat mack

a111: 1 result for "hard hat mack", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hard%20hat%20mack

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-19#516664 << subj

a111: Logged on 2014-02-19 15:51 asciilifeform: brother and i played this on our 'Iskra' (xt clone) and combed three different dictionaries to learn what the fuck an osha is

mircea_popescu: it got my mom off gaming for life ; at first she was kinda into it, but then lost track and burned a steak. got so pissed off she swore off gaminf forever! and stuck to it.

mircea_popescu: in retrospect, apity.

mircea_popescu: phf apparently http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750670 exaggeration then ?

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:30 asciilifeform: was frightening thing.

asciilifeform: lol rly will compare ipadistry to good ol' proper gamez ??

mircea_popescu: incidentally mod6 : when you say #6 is it like 300 pellet load or like 200 pellet load ? apparently eu and us terminology manages to differ on one more thing

phf: mircea_popescu: i started contemplating the same thing as soon as i said it :)

mircea_popescu: anyway, duck shot generally 80-100 per.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha! and they did this dance, six cats dancing if you did really well. drove my sister up the wall

mircea_popescu: (she could never do it, small kid.)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can even now recall the sound.

mircea_popescu: aha some sort of squeak

phf: it is possible that in those situations they deemed it safer to pacify me with a video game, than to let me roam free. although the thinking was probably more a long the lines of "let this young kinder experience this thing that he won't normally, because the computer he's playing on is otherwise used to design important shit and was smuggled through border by tov. popov on his recent trip to CERN" or somesuch

mircea_popescu: right. in other words : let the kid eat the fucking berries, and if it kills him fuck him ; and fuck you too so you get another one

asciilifeform: phf: i had somewhat different kind of 'pusher' in re gamez -- elder brother whose machine it was, and strictly rationed

asciilifeform: he had it , picture this, at home. unfathomable luxury

mircea_popescu: i had it in the livingroom too.

mircea_popescu: i wasn't supposed to "do too much" because "ruin eyes".

mircea_popescu: did not ruin any eyes.

asciilifeform eventually ruined eyes,.

asciilifeform: ( possibly seealso mircea_popescu's thread re weak cancerous meat )

mircea_popescu: i was gonna say "yeah but through masturbation not computation" but then i abstained.

mircea_popescu: at least briefly :D

mircea_popescu: (geddit ? ab-stained ?)

ben_vulpes: ugh

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750685 << the problem isn't finding a working one ; fuck, you can prolly MAKE one, and in less time than it takes woman to make you the kid.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:32 asciilifeform: if you can find a working one

mircea_popescu: the problem is that IT WAS THE PEAK. go, re-make that, if you can.

asciilifeform: ain't this rather like asking latin teacher 'nao go and remake republic of rome!'

mircea_popescu: item knew no competitor ; "unfathomable luxury" means that it was MAGIC, outright, plain and simple and spread on bread ; not "this is the shitty thing dad makes me fuck with because he hates me"

asciilifeform: can't remake republic of rome, no. but can still latin.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, what's needed is what's needed ; not up to me.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not as a 6yo.

asciilifeform: why exactly not

mircea_popescu: because 6yo will speak whatever the cocksucker that didn't speaks.

mircea_popescu: dja know any latin speaking hussies ?

asciilifeform: maybe in that one ro province mircea_popescu wrote about, where togas

mircea_popescu: (decryption key : pregnant woman = cocksucker that didn't)

mircea_popescu: that thing was kinda ended / in any case ending by 1920s.

asciilifeform: sux.

asciilifeform: and here i was just about ready for buying ticket!11

mircea_popescu: hey, ticket you can buy.

mircea_popescu: teh ticketbuying -- works.

asciilifeform: i'd like to revisit upstack http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750941 . i suspect the magic of 8bit micro can still stand . even next to crapple.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:07 mircea_popescu: item knew no competitor ; "unfathomable luxury" means that it was MAGIC, outright, plain and simple and spread on bread ; not "this is the shitty thing dad makes me fuck with because he hates me"

asciilifeform: because ~manipulable~ by the kid.

mircea_popescu: to kid eyes ?

asciilifeform: aha.

mircea_popescu: perhaps.

asciilifeform: commodore stood up to comparison with e.g. nintendo.

asciilifeform: for young asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: for ~everyone, only bedwetting pussies had whatever you called those non-computer gamestation things

asciilifeform: in usa they were pestilentially common

asciilifeform: still are, as i'm told

asciilifeform: and i still dunget it. dafuq, box that forces you to BUY gamez!

mircea_popescu: the despisement such heresy enjoyed in little mp's circle was only matched by the sort of folk that'd listen to depeche mode.

mircea_popescu: (first, and for many years ONLY meaning i had for "faggot" ie "homalau" in ro was... "actually listens to depeche mode")

mircea_popescu: the notion that they ALSO do butt things came as a much later discovery, and unsurprising! and not even germane. the core still remained the "wtf is this dumb shit" musical taste.

mircea_popescu: but then... electronic music happened and omfg.

mircea_popescu: anwyay, perhaps there's something to alf's hope, in point of fact the criteria was very much "but can't poke the code". that you had to buy cartridges didn't even necessarily land, because evidently if you had some and your friends had some you couldn't play them all at the same time.

mircea_popescu: you also had to buy the casette tapes, so often we didn't bother, just kept trading like a sort of library service.

asciilifeform: thing is, 80s micros had the rom basic. so cassette was really optional, could enter simple gamez from paper, if wholly starved for 'sneakernet'

asciilifeform: and much of the 'formative' aspect was precisely the romtronic prompt

mircea_popescu: well i think i'd have scrounged together the two bux for a RAKS blank before i spent two days typing in

asciilifeform: not everybody had the proper tape deck

mircea_popescu: what did you use btw ? iirc raks was teh tape

asciilifeform: ( for e.g. bk0010, you needed specifically one ~without~ equalizer thing )

mircea_popescu: at some point they came out with a 90minute tape, kicked all ass.

asciilifeform: funnily enough i did not program the 'iskra', was small, programmed already 'commodore' ( and inherited a 8086 a few yrs after )

mircea_popescu: https://news.avclub.com/take-a-tour-of-the-last-audio-cassette-factory-in-exist-1798284330 speaking of.

asciilifeform: the commodore had -- luxury!! -- the 5inch disk drive.

asciilifeform still has it...

mircea_popescu: 5 inch ?!

mircea_popescu: oh disk, i was thinking flexible diskette thing

asciilifeform: 5.25

asciilifeform: !~google 1541 disk drive

jhvh1: asciilifeform: Commodore 1541 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_1541>; Commodore Vintage Computer Floppy Drive | eBay: <https://www.ebay.com/b/Commodore-Vintage-Computer-Floppy-Drive/175690/bn_557417>; Commodore 1541 -ii Floppy Disk Drive for C64 | eBay: <https://www.ebay.com/p/Commodore-1541-ii-Floppy-Disk-Drive-for-C64/1424009074>

asciilifeform: ^ subj

mircea_popescu: aha

asciilifeform: the one infamous for faster cpu than the comp it connected to

mircea_popescu: lol.

asciilifeform: and costing moar than the comp as well.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750708 << incidentally re this, following the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750128 divide, it may very well be the case that to pantsuit, it appears as opposite! it is GOOD for the exact reason you judge it dangerous.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:39 asciilifeform: that's what makes idiotrons destructive -- they can absorb ~infinite sweat, work, brain cycles, and give back nuffin

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 00:51 mircea_popescu: i suppose this reduces the discussion to "there's two kinds of bipedals, the monkey and the human. the monkey dedicates itself to building wail groups, and the human to not needing to."

asciilifeform: i dun get it ?

mircea_popescu: consider : what makes a bad penis ? that you can rub it all you want and STILL it won't spit out. but what makes a good cunt ? that you can pound it all you want and STILL it won't in any way change.

mircea_popescu: for the pantsuit, the fact that it will soak up with no change or other effect all the time/effort/cyckles etc you put into it IS A SELLING POINT.

asciilifeform: aaa

mircea_popescu: ecological item-unit, can be stored in the wall and "keep happy" large population of... well...

mircea_popescu: that is after all the point, neh, to somehow get as large a headcount as possible through the various gates (born, college, credit cards, mortgage, retirement hgome etc) WITHOUT "harming the environment" which in any practical sesne means... without changing anything.

asciilifeform: to revisit the micros : it is interesting that NOBODY today makes a comp of any description that presents the eye with a programmable prompt immediately on power up.

asciilifeform: as, e.g., commodore, bk, apple1/2, sinclair, mircea_popescutron, etc. did.

mircea_popescu: well technically they first loaded basic

asciilifeform: rom basic

asciilifeform: what load.

mircea_popescu: not so different then from "first loads kernel, then here's your terminal"

asciilifeform: commodore had blinking ready cursor immediately when you flipped power switch.

asciilifeform: because rom.

mircea_popescu: not immediately. took .3 or so

mircea_popescu: because rom but it actually did move it about

asciilifeform: it did, but i never noticed with naked eye. prolly because tv had to warm.

mircea_popescu: yes, but... was still there.

asciilifeform: booted faster than ye olde crt.

mircea_popescu once spent hours pushing the reset button trying to figure out the pattern on the screen

asciilifeform: ( and iirc classical crapples executed the rombasic directly from rom, so 0 boot )

mircea_popescu: (z80 thing when reset will munge the "videocard" such as it is, resulting in a pattern brieflydisplaying)

asciilifeform: commodore did the copy-to-ram thing to win the owner a 'cheat' of usable address space

asciilifeform: you could actually use all 64kB if you overwrote the basic

asciilifeform: ( which you could not, if it lived in rom )

asciilifeform: the reason this was doable, was that mos6510 -- unlike ye olde 6502 -- had an extra register, that gave you 6 flippable bits , nonmemorymapped; and you could bank-switch with it

asciilifeform: tiny, seemingly, change, but made for whole new kind of micro

asciilifeform: ( i.e. rom got deselected after being copied to ram , so did not sit and uselessly hog addr space )

mircea_popescu: major tech advance, this was, for teh era.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> incidentally mod6 : when you say #6 is it like 300 pellet load or like 200 pellet load ? apparently eu and us terminology manages to differ on one more thing << It looks like #6 shot pellets are .11" in di., which makes about 225 pellets per oz.

mircea_popescu: yeah, so if you actually do tungsten steel shot for duck, you want like 100.

mircea_popescu: lead imo not the best choice.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of asciilifeform's persistent crackpotteries, is to reforge this sword. i.e. make comp that fits in kid head .

mircea_popescu: not a bad angle tbh.

asciilifeform: ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677537 approach. )

a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:48 asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta'

phf would also like to use same computer for general computing

asciilifeform: phf: naturally same computer.

asciilifeform: it is to this day my belief that a comp that dun fit-in-kid-head is broken by design.

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> lead imo not the best choice. << ah. one reason that i prefer lead over steel shot is that it tends to not break my teeth when I bite into one.

mircea_popescu: im not so certain of that ; most plowing happens happily with plows the ploughsmen could not replicate.

mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah but at larger distance / larger size it kinda taints the meat.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody said kid oughta know how to smelt the sand, gassify fluorine, etch chipz.

mod6: true enough too.

asciilifeform: but to know what makes the program -- oughta.

mircea_popescu: problem of temperatures etc. if you keep it small sure, but as it grows gets more energy... not so good, leadcooked duck.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751018 << they all did this, because 'randomized' memory on boot ( no addr lines were wasted making video switchable on/off , so you could see the rubbish when power came up )

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:30 mircea_popescu: (z80 thing when reset will munge the "videocard" such as it is, resulting in a pattern brieflydisplaying)

asciilifeform: it was asciilifeform's first close-up playing with 'random'

mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's this type of thing that makes it good. kid's eternal interest, once he gets out of learning his mom's language, is figuring out THE SECRET of dad's tools.

mircea_popescu: because evidently there's secrets.

mircea_popescu: and with a well compressed, angry item like the z80, there's plenty of such "accidentally caught glimpse of santa naked" events

asciilifeform: re tools, asciilifeform was given saws, nails, hammers, then wires, diodes, etc long before comp

mircea_popescu: yes but what can you do with a saw.

mircea_popescu: "could diodeman beat up hammerguy???"

asciilifeform: you'd think not much. but can even more readily learn 'reality has a shape and a resistance-of-medium objectively' than with comp.

mircea_popescu: true.

asciilifeform: i actually wish , in retrospect, that i'd had an extra year of saw, hammer, before comp.

mircea_popescu: cnc mill|!

mircea_popescu: we had a tired old horizontal mill as 11-12-13yos.

mircea_popescu: "practical studies" or something. the girls knitted.

mircea_popescu: an hour a week.

asciilifeform: phunphakt : in american schools, there are power tools. but children are not permitted near them. they may only draw a cut, and beg teacher to make it.

asciilifeform: preparation for bureaucracy.

mircea_popescu: http://www.seprocom.ro/ofertesh2004/strung-paralel2_clip_image002.jpg <<< exact item, actually.

asciilifeform: dat's a lathe mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: and a pretty common one in su world

mircea_popescu: right.

asciilifeform would luvv one.

asciilifeform: my current one is sewingmachine-sized.

mircea_popescu: this was like a ton.

asciilifeform: ( and even it, i suspect, will have to be sold, won't fit in orbit capsule )

asciilifeform: well noshit, proper lathe has steel pedestal

asciilifeform: it's what makes it stiff, usable.

mircea_popescu: 4kw or such too.

asciilifeform: there is a misconception that 'fine' 'watchmaker' work wants small lathes.

asciilifeform: nothing could be more mistaken -- the finer the work, the stiffer you want the thing

mircea_popescu: word.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only multi-kw, but proper gearbox

mircea_popescu: saw the ancient marble ones ? for jewelrywork ?

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: sad tabletop lathes typically lack gearing, period

mircea_popescu: marble actually better than steel, no temp-mechanics

asciilifeform: how to grind marble flat , also was learned prior to how to grind steel .

asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's little lathe has brass, interestingly, bed. 1970s item, even then ground rails were costly )

mircea_popescu: o look, you can actually buy the modern version. same maker. Arad SN 401, 2,5 tons, 7.5kW, made 1987.

asciilifeform: nifty.

asciilifeform: maybe asciilifeform will buy !

mircea_popescu: not even fucking expensive. course it's 380 so you'll have to get that

asciilifeform: naturally.

mircea_popescu: 1250rpm max 25 min, 400mm/105mm this isn't even bad

ben_vulpes: proper lathe has /cast iron/ pedestal

ben_vulpes: graphite flakes in the medium damp vibrations

asciilifeform: point

asciilifeform: it's a lathe, tho, not a holography rig , stiffness moar important than dampening

ben_vulpes: resonance is a bitch.

mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh /me regards the lathe as the definitive item. for the obvious reason : lathe can build milling machine way the fuck easier than the other way around

asciilifeform: lathe is ~the~ basic metalwork item.

mircea_popescu: right.

asciilifeform: foundation of all industry, really.

ben_vulpes: good luck cutting drivescrews on a mill lol

mircea_popescu: ikr

asciilifeform: dedicated mill is a luxury.

asciilifeform: didn't even mostly exist in 19th c

asciilifeform: consider, to this day, what's a machinist called in most civilized folk langs

asciilifeform: ( even in english, until recently was 'turner' )

ben_vulpes: sadly, 'operator' now. special booth on floor for guys who plan cutterhead trajectories; 'programmers'.

asciilifeform: токарь . Dreher . tourneur . etc

asciilifeform: all 'turners'.

mircea_popescu: !~translate ro to en strungar

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: turner

mircea_popescu: item is "strung".

asciilifeform: hm what's the etymology

asciilifeform: is there rotation in there ?

mircea_popescu: nope,

asciilifeform: or cognate with стружка e.g. saw chip

mircea_popescu: word has no familiy ; lonesome import from possibly czech

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. i expect something like that.

asciilifeform: root строгать -- what you do with a carpenter's plane

mircea_popescu: the action is "a strunji" ; the g to j morph is very indicative of it having been imported from dalmatia

asciilifeform: dict says стружка is 'a shaving'

mircea_popescu: ro thinks it's from "slavonian" which makes 0 fucking sense. what, old church books on lathe ?

asciilifeform recalls a metal shaving thermite thread from yr or 2 ago

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc modern ro 'academic' position is that all ru-isms are really 'slavonian', lol

mircea_popescu: "2 you shall not count, unless in time then proceed to lathe. 4 is right out!"

mircea_popescu: you should see the ukrainian position.

mircea_popescu: but hey -- don't like it, be friendlier next time!

asciilifeform: last i heard 'the ancient ukrs had wireless : archaeologists, see, found 0 wires !!'

mircea_popescu: anyway, im giving up on catching up with this log before lunch.

mircea_popescu: catchyall laters.

asciilifeform: ( then of course occasional archaeologist turns up item that vaguely looks like wire, or bolt head, the ufologists swarm, like flies )

asciilifeform: laters.

asciilifeform also to fresh air

mod6: c-ya

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as a kid what i did with my time was that i ran up three flights of stairs to drink (straight from the faucet, who the everloving fuck has the time or the patience for glasses!) a stomachfull of water, then run back down and keep fucking running. << Since arriving I have been primarily drinking faucet water and coffees with occasial forays into the local bottled water and juices.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wtf is the "psychedelic" supposed to do, i never could figure out. all sort and manner of kids were into all sorta manner of "psychedleic" bullcrap, from special light-things to "interpret" the music (installed eg under car seats! made the whole experience fucking nauseous) to what have you. but... why ? << What does any idle escapism promise?

diana_coman: now I wonder whether asciilifeform knows what "drujba" means in Romanian, lol

asciilifeform: that one is no accident, is named for the canonical 1950s-70s su chainsaw

asciilifeform: the one with lawn-cutter motor, that dwarfs the saw blade per se

diana_coman: I know it's no accident, yes; still funny though

asciilifeform: but , diana_coman , my current fave is vrednik

asciilifeform: err, vrednic

asciilifeform: a вредник is, approx, a pest ( as in annoying kid brother )

asciilifeform: whereas my ro dict translates 'vrednic' -- 'worthy, notable'

diana_coman: aha; well, depending on whose vrednic it is...

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-16#1344134

diana_coman: although to be honest I wouldn't have defined it as notable, hmm

diana_coman: to me its main meaning is of someone capable/doing stuff and doing it properly

asciilifeform: however the champion's crown for (possibly) ultimate hilarious false-cognate lang sibling to ru is not ro

asciilifeform: but czech

asciilifeform: !~seen jurov

jhvh1: asciilifeform: jurov was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 2 days, 10 hours, 33 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <jurov> mod6: ben_vulpes: have you decided about forked coins on foundation's address? should i report them, or sell, or they don't exist?

asciilifeform: https://ribalych.ru/2016/05/06/kupite-vonyavki << subj earlier.

asciilifeform: ( examples. )

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phunphakt : in american schools, there are power tools. but children are not permitted near them. they may only draw a cut, and beg teacher to make it. << In highschool we had "forestry" class that consisted of maintaining walkable path near edge of school grounds. Got to fell smaller weedy trees with reciprocating saw (i.e. sharp fucksaw)

asciilifeform: from earlier lulzwww, https://ribalych.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/anekdoty-i-kartinki_006.jpg << for mircea_popescu .

mod6: asciilifeform: is this the chainsaw item? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/59sccgnsIgY/hqdefault.jpg

diana_coman: that actually looks quite like it to me at least, mod6

mod6: ah, thx diana_coman

mod6: how's it goin?

diana_coman: mod6, so far so good, preparing ch2 for tomorrow

diana_coman: how's it going for you?

mod6: ah, good. busy. i need to dig into stan's ch2 still. been tinkering around with the wallet.

mod6: I also want to spend a few minutes here soon and adapt my FFA unit tests to the vpatches that stan has released thus far.

mod6: (I've been working off an FFA that's like... at least 3-4 months old.)

mod6: There've been a few small adjustments to the code since then.

diana_coman: mod6, more FFA tests sounds good to me; slightly related: is there any protocol/preferred approach for publishing signatures to someone else's patches?

diana_coman: of* someone else's patches I guess

mod6: Hm. Well, depends on which project I suppose. For trb, one can send such signatures of pre-existing vpatches to the ML, whereby I can scoop them up and place them in the Foundation's repository as needed.

mod6: For other non-trb projects, perhaps the author can designa how that should work.

mod6: *designate

diana_coman: makes sense

mircea_popescu: all this discussion of hunting got me all fired up, so went to chinese store bought myself some fireworks.

mircea_popescu: i swear, some of these things look perfectly apt for antisubmarine warfare.

mod6: nice!

mircea_popescu: but briefly revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750551 : that the various "survivalists" and other "prepper" "communities" all over the us are directly reducible to their weight in retards is directly evident not simply from the patent inanity of schemes like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662898 (or for that matter 10 minutes spent on orlov's nonsense). it's much simpler shit such as : if they were EVEN VAGUELY

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 16:53 mircea_popescu: i guess if all the "exclusive gated community" schmucks weren't so schmucky thery could have a delegated hunter, get your steak in the mail by 10am.

a111: Logged on 2017-05-29 18:25 mircea_popescu: do you recall that ridiculous "bunker" with 30% dedicated to "motorcycles" and a few fish tanks "For food" ? that sort of cvasi-religious nonsense is the end result -- resources are diverted towards making a show of compliance with designs that are dysfunctional by their very nature.

mircea_popescu: serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready.

mod6: diana_coman: there is a 'mirror' feature in my V. But there is a limitation, it has a URL to the root mirror baked in. Perhaps next release this will be fixed and can take a root mirror as a parameter. This way, you could set up your own root mirror/mirrors for eucrypt or for stan's ffa.

mircea_popescu: especially on modern tech this could work fabulously well. 1. cross all the items you'd like ; 2. cross all the items you absolutely do not want. hunter centralizes this, goes and shoots. literally, "your steak in the mail by 10am"

mod6: Hypothetically, one could just change that

mircea_popescu: and yes it does mean you'll have to buy meat "you don't want". fuck you, survivalism.

mod6: well, nevermind. suppose that won't work. anyway, there is some groundwork laid.

mircea_popescu: o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ?

mod6: <+mircea_popescu> serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready. << fair enough. no reason to leave some of these things up to chance.

mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, we've been pretty thrifty thus far.

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ? << Careful management that further attracted an especially large donation from whatshisname

shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751186 <<< Recall, mod6 that you and I discussed this but may have been im PM. I hard-baked sdf and localhost servers in your V and it built trb fine

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:22 mod6: diana_coman: there is a 'mirror' feature in my V. But there is a limitation, it has a URL to the root mirror baked in. Perhaps next release this will be fixed and can take a root mirror as a parameter. This way, you could set up your own root mirror/mirrors for eucrypt or for stan's ffa.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo who ?

mircea_popescu: anyway, in other advantages of living in tiny spec of a country : i went for that steak i was considering yest. across from my table, laura chincilla (ex president)

mod6: mircea_popescu started us off with 10, some guy threw in 10, I threw in 10 + a bunch of change while testing

mircea_popescu: wow. so it's more like... half a mil rly ?

mod6: i'd have to dig it up, i forget who the gentlemen is.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The paranoid one who wanted to put coins somewhere safer than he could keep them started with a t, will dig

a111: Logged on 2015-12-16 02:46 mircea_popescu: !rate TheNewDeal 2 Put a decent chunk of change into the Bitcoin Foundation back when it wasn't fashionable yet.

mircea_popescu: oh

mircea_popescu: nice

mod6: Ahh, that's it.

mircea_popescu: well there you go, you've got more than most foundations out there.

mod6: shinohai: ahh, that's right. good memory.

mod6: mircea_popescu: fair enough.

mod6: If all goes well with BingoBoingo's adventures, we may have a reoccurring infrastructure expense to manage. Should be very manageable.

mod6: Shouldn't be too bad anyway.

mircea_popescu: yea srsly.

BingoBoingo: In other news, Yellen poked US interest rates up by a quarter point before the door meets her ass.

mircea_popescu: 1980s style 8% is quite on the table actually.

BingoBoingo: As is 18%

BingoBoingo: Thrashing is how do contain

BingoBoingo: Not as directional an activity as threshing

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750774 << BITCOIN dime :D

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 18:14 asciilifeform: dime lol

mircea_popescu: fun fact : total land area on this planet being 510 mn sqkm ; and bitcoin cap being 21 mn, it therefore follows that the absolute maximal average price for land is a dime per square km.

shinohai: neato

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750808 << this possibly deserves dwelling. so, as far as biology is concerned, there is a very direct problem sexual dimorphism bestows upon the female, referenced now and again in logs (eg http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551894 ) as well as the possibly related psychological issue (coy behaviour, lotta words on trilema re this).

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 18:26 asciilifeform: what exactly is a 'precious cuntlet'

a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 19:06 mircea_popescu: there's some biological factors to account for this, both directly (shittier metabolism ; stronger response to neurotransmitters ; the venereal 50/5 trap etc) and indirect (through the workings of sexuate reproduction women are always vandable) ; but i'm pretty sure there's also psychological factors involved.

mircea_popescu: now, as it happens said behaviour is a terrible strategy in postmodernity (basically, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-21#727929 ie you'll lose out on EXACTLY the long tail SV.VC can not afford to lose) ; but the remnants of a pre-modern time manifest in the lowest forms of culture -- such as disney films ; and passive socialization.

a111: Logged on 2014-06-21 22:43 mircea_popescu: well yeah. but by playing hard to get you may get +10 on your average catch, but also get the guarantee you're never getting in the bed of that 0.whatever%

mircea_popescu: girly ends up persuaded that she has a very valuable something she must take great good care of between her legs -- her precious cuntlet.

mircea_popescu: drives a whole class of neurotic behaviour that ultimately ensures her social marginality, economic poverty and personal dishappiness (not mere unhappiness, as the absence of happiness, but the exact constructed OPPOSITE of happiness)

mircea_popescu: a concern with "privacy", preoccupations with "feminism" in the ustardian sense, complete unskilled cluelessness etcetera are all great predictors of the underlying syndrome.

mircea_popescu: "snowderella or what's her name DIDNT EVEN HAVE TO STAY ALIVE till the prince came, why should i hit the threadmill". how did he come ? well... that's his problem! and his business! as a prince, to come! (ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1749973 )

a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 23:32 mircea_popescu: LEONIDA (în luptă cu somnul): Treaba statului, domnule, el ce grije are? pentru ce-l avem pe el? e datoria lui să-ngrijească să aibă oamenii lefurile la vreme..."

mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem of eg, india, where everyone aborts girls because they don't want to pay for their raising to the level where they can be married ~because the trade value of the she-cow is NOT ENOUGH~ is really the fundamental problem of humanity : yes the cost of living went up, but the price of a head of cattle, or a goat, OR A WOMAN as such didn't go up. it went down. it's much cheaper to buy an ox now, either in s

mircea_popescu: traight gold or in PPP than it was in 17ad.

mircea_popescu: it's true that women also have the avenue of not-being-animals anymore, but this happens to have opened just as most "jobs" got destroyed. so yes that works for a 5% of them, and another 10% or so could pretend and convincingly hope. the majority however, very much confront the pork bellies are $2 problem.

mircea_popescu: which neatly sends the precious-cuntlet syndrome straight into metaphysics, "there's a thing beyond the sensible which makes me valuable, let's call it emotions and you could never understand".

mircea_popescu: pretty much all of the mental pathology we call ustardianism directly derives from this fundamentally economic problem.

mircea_popescu: (neurotic here is used properly -- as the opposite of psychotic, which is to say, attempting to resolve psychological tension through self-transduction rather than reality-reconstruction.)

mircea_popescu: (transduction also term of art in biology, but ima stop before retyping the whole thesaurus by hand)

asciilifeform for 1st time in long time, sits down to mega-l0g, eats

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751163 << indeed it is

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 21:09 mod6: asciilifeform: is this the chainsaw item? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/59sccgnsIgY/hqdefault.jpg

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751171 << aside from FZ's not being structs any longer, there shouldn't be much that you can't fix with search+replace

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 21:54 mod6: (I've been working off an FFA that's like... at least 3-4 months old.)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751173 << same protocol as everybody uses for their original sigs -- just put'em somewhere people can see'em , they'll end up in phf's thing

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:00 diana_coman: mod6, more FFA tests sounds good to me; slightly related: is there any protocol/preferred approach for publishing signatures to someone else's patches?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751185 << but! then, they'd have to confront the fact that the land can support maybe 1 in 20 of'em .

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:22 mircea_popescu: serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready.

asciilifeform: optimistically.

mircea_popescu: is this survivalism or is this comfortingalism /

asciilifeform: whatdoyouthink.

mircea_popescu: i don't have time to think

mircea_popescu: OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

asciilifeform: 'ваше слово, товарищ маузер!'

mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to fr 'ваше слово, товарищ маузер!'

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: "Votre mot, camarade Mauser!"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-12#1750041

asciilifeform: oh notbad

mircea_popescu: it's actually from alice in wonderland.

asciilifeform: well yes

asciilifeform: and mine -- from mayakovsky

mircea_popescu: well yes

mircea_popescu: but have you ever had an ostrich burger.

asciilifeform: nope. (tho they are sold widely here. but can't bring meself to eat ameriburger at all, not after the 1st one)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751191 << lol, did we just see mircea_popescu thinking in zimbabwebux !111

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:27 mircea_popescu: o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ?

mircea_popescu: there was a brief craze with "ostrich farms" at some point late 90s, but meh. it's just not very good.

asciilifeform: there was, i even saw the occasional ostrich in dc suburbia back yards in '90s

asciilifeform: 1st time i thought it was delirium dream

mircea_popescu: !~tr ro to ru foaie verde pofta-n cui, pasare ca porcu' nu-i.

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751194 << there was a d00d, iirc he was going mad, decided to get rid of his coinz..

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:30 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ? << Careful management that further attracted an especially large donation from whatshisname

mircea_popescu: !~translate ro to ru foaie verde pofta-n cui, pasare ca porcu' nu-i.

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: жажда зеленых листьев, птица, как свинья, нет.

mircea_popescu: ahahaha

mircea_popescu: going mad ?!

asciilifeform: nm looks like BingoBoingo linked : TheNewDeal

asciilifeform: !~seen TheNewDeal

jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen TheNewDeal.

asciilifeform: !#seen TheNewDeal

a111: 2016-01-22 <TheNewDeal> so so, how bout you?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751219 << aaa

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750774 << BITCOIN dime :D

asciilifeform: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16030.0, vol: 17172.64030044 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16051.0, vol: 63032.24001347 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15995.4, vol: 3281.82689278 | Volume-weighted last average: 16044.4948324

mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, what's the definition of tov popov ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751233 << softer version of the industrial world's 'abort everything that moves' issue

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 23:16 mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem of eg, india, where everyone aborts girls because they don't want to pay for their raising to the level where they can be married ~because the trade value of the she-cow is NOT ENOUGH~ is really the fundamental problem of humanity : yes the cost of living went up, but the price of a head of cattle, or a goat, OR A WOMAN as such didn't go up. it went down. it's much cheaper to buy an ox now, either in s

mircea_popescu: i suppose.

mircea_popescu: though that's an overpopulation problem ; india is stuck in a different sphere.

asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/#selection-347.0-349.784 << see also.

mircea_popescu: myeah

asciilifeform: whole item -- pertinent, imho.

mircea_popescu: it is.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751235 << this applies across the board. ( as amply observed by mircea_popescu and others ). and the males dun even have the 'retreat into biology' option.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 23:17 mircea_popescu: it's true that women also have the avenue of not-being-animals anymore, but this happens to have opened just as most "jobs" got destroyed. so yes that works for a 5% of them, and another 10% or so could pretend and convincingly hope. the majority however, very much confront the pork bellies are $2 problem.

asciilifeform: literally surplus folx.

mircea_popescu: sure.

mircea_popescu: but also nobody gives a shit. nor ever has.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-12 23:58 mircea_popescu: <30yo females don't need a hundy.

asciilifeform: the 'we use everything, even the squeal' folx -- theoretically giveashit.

asciilifeform: it's building material. for, say, a belomorcanal. or a ww1. etc

mircea_popescu: i dunno how long that pretense can be maintained

mircea_popescu: but already more cracked than old whore anal fissure.

mircea_popescu: fun fact : if 1960s vietcong invaded, the us could not muster a defense.

asciilifeform: nao if i were today's berzin and ordered to organize canal building using homo redditus -- would prolly eat nagant.

asciilifeform: because how.

mircea_popescu: well... 3x as many whippers as zeks. no idea where you'd get the whippers, but perhaps try china before naganting ?

asciilifeform: everybody tries. even with stalin's human material as i understand the ev was only marginally +.

mircea_popescu: nazis didn't make bank on slave labour either.

mircea_popescu: it's just not a very good concept.

mircea_popescu: slave labour works in the sense of education ; not very productive as extraction.

asciilifeform: nobody makes bank, it's a 'this is slightly cheaper than immediate boiling for soap' option.

asciilifeform: witness that germans ~did~ send good % straight for soap.

mircea_popescu: nobody really needs that much soap

asciilifeform: aha.

mircea_popescu: it IS better soap than synthetic, but it also doesn't keep as well. so...

asciilifeform: right, hence oven.

asciilifeform: gotta wonder why germans did not conceive of biodiesel. the tech was aaalmost there...

mircea_popescu: i am skeptical this is actually worth bothering.

asciilifeform: ( i suspect the answer is -- comically -- in the scarcity of the diesel cycle in its birth land !! almost until end of war, ~0 diesel there )

mircea_popescu: corndiesel marginal, and corn is a lot more uniform than man

asciilifeform: corn yes. ready 0cost sacks of fat -- not comparable

asciilifeform: and not contemplated as continuous cycle. but waste disposal of existing.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, i always wondered. the insanity of the eg panzer 4 GASOLINE engine still harrows my mind.

mircea_popescu: wut.the.fuck.

asciilifeform: burned like candle.

asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp why they lacked the diesel.

mircea_popescu: had less power than a modern muscle car, at that.

mircea_popescu: possibly maybach lobbying.

asciilifeform: just scarcely moar hp than asciilifeform's current auto...

mircea_popescu: and note that the ~most used armored item (stug) ALSO fucking maybach gasoline engine

mircea_popescu: ~same one.

asciilifeform: more or less errything from graf zeppelin to tiger -- maybach

mircea_popescu: (stug is like a tank without turret, larger cannon)

asciilifeform: jagdpanzer

mircea_popescu: ye

asciilifeform: what do you call these in eng

asciilifeform: ( in ru -- самоходка )

mircea_popescu: field artillery ?

asciilifeform: generally speaking. but specific item

asciilifeform: self-propelled howitzer, says me dict.

mircea_popescu: heh

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751237 << aha, and to think about the various symptoms individually, is rather like thinking of each individual fractured bone in d00d dropped from a skyscraper, as separate injury

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 23:18 mircea_popescu: pretty much all of the mental pathology we call ustardianism directly derives from this fundamentally economic problem.

mircea_popescu: in a sense, yea

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751193 << iirc nothing yet spent, even

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:28 mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, we've been pretty thrifty thus far.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751221 << good % is ~uninhabitable tho, and worth ~0

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:50 mircea_popescu: fun fact : total land area on this planet being 510 mn sqkm ; and bitcoin cap being 21 mn, it therefore follows that the absolute maximal average price for land is a dime per square km.

asciilifeform: ( see mircea_popescu's essay re the andes , for instance )

mircea_popescu: ok, fine. about 40% of the 148mn or so land sqkm are actually farmed.that's still 60mn.

asciilifeform: good % of that, prolly will resemble sahara soon

asciilifeform: american 'farming' -- does this

asciilifeform: ( chinese -- ditto )

asciilifeform: re foundations -- incidentally whatever happened to the derpoundation

asciilifeform: is it still around, somewhere.

mircea_popescu: im sure it is

asciilifeform: refreshingly little mention of it, even in heathendom, past few yrs

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751151 <<< ahahaha, she knows...

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 20:43 diana_coman: aha; well, depending on whose vrednic it is...

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751153 << more of an arges area item, that. morphs into falnic further west.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 20:44 diana_coman: although to be honest I wouldn't have defined it as notable, hmm

asciilifeform: oh mircea_popescu does http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751162 need translation or is it clear

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 20:57 asciilifeform: from earlier lulzwww, https://ribalych.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/anekdoty-i-kartinki_006.jpg << for mircea_popescu .

mircea_popescu: lol turtlefucking

mircea_popescu: no, go ahead and translate, im not that apt.

asciilifeform: not quite, 1s...

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751173 << it's a good idea to host a whole set of "approved" (by your own lights) sigs for all vpatches.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:00 diana_coman: mod6, more FFA tests sounds good to me; slightly related: is there any protocol/preferred approach for publishing signatures to someone else's patches?

mircea_popescu: so just put them on your site somewhere.

mircea_popescu: redundancy is great here.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751176 << nah, too complex and therefore frail system like that. simply : host ALL sigs for ALL things yourself ; let the urls be known publicly and don't change them.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:11 mod6: For other non-trb projects, perhaps the author can designa how that should work.

mircea_popescu: "not hosting your sigs" is therefore a low level "can't be bothered to rate but still dun like you" sorta hostility

asciilifeform: behold : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turtle.jpg

mircea_popescu: ahaha

asciilifeform: ^ esp in re: mircea_popescu's 'turtles' article and its fans.