mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656598 since might as well archive it, http://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 21:59 mircea_popescu: anywya, im not reading this pile of garbage ; but from the skimming -- the whole argument is born of ignorance. reddit got its start as a heaven for child porn peddlers who got banned on digg.
diana_coman: hm, is there a clear convention re patch names ? using - or _ as separators? mod6's *very useful* guide at http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html seems to suggest _ but the collection of patches seems to use both - and _
mircea_popescu: mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ?
mircea_popescu: noncompliant items can i guess go in 'experimental' or whatever ghetto.
mircea_popescu: let me change that : "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" should read "no '--- ' or '+++ ' as first 4 characters of any line -- you have been warned"
mircea_popescu: trinque !
mircea_popescu: o hey it stopped. magic.
diana_coman: and hm, maybe update the vdiff linked from http://thebitcoin.foundation/ if there's a newer version
mircea_popescu: in other things that happened in 2017, michael vick quit.
mircea_popescu: (only famous for organizing dogfights in defiance of femocracy & pantsuit)
diana_coman has no idea who michael vick is
mircea_popescu: one of the any other famous "afro-american" blacks (ie, athlete)
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha this gotta be in teh logs : http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/dick-mastersons-2009-man-challenge/#more-1207
mircea_popescu: dude's ~as maddox-knockoffy / dumb as i remember it, however, "The Pick Up Artist community has turned thousands of young men into silly cheap-shits. Their The Game plan is simple: 1. Dont pay for shit. 2. ? 3. Pussy! But thats like switching from live bait to dynamite when youre fishing in the bathtub. Heres a straighter line between points U and P: 1. Stop dating chicks that arent going to fuck you!"
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14655.93, vol: 22278.64169879 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14543.954749, vol: 109580.25382322 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14850.0, vol: 6660.56084245 | Volume-weighted last average: 14576.6800399
mircea_popescu: check that out! "bitcoin is now 100% more valuable than it was three weeks ago", in preference of "bitcoin is exactly the same but we're willing to admit twice as much weakness in the worthless fiat than we were three weeks ago"
BingoBoingo: In miscelanous reflections that ought to have made yesterday's log except for brain lag, on the small regional flight economy plus was totally worth it. Window, your seat, aisle, pair of suckers.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, in Europe at least the "difference" between economy and business class on small regional flights is quite often a... curtain drawn to separate the 2 areas of the aircraft, but not much else (same seats, same space/lack of it, same food if you really need airplane-food on a 2-3 hours flight)
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: There was no business class on the embraer 145, just "ecomomy" on the two seat side of the aisle and "economy plus" on the solo seat side
diana_coman: oh, really small plane
BingoBoingo: The embraer during take off had a feel like my saturn plastic car, that there just might not be enough power to pull off this aviation thing
diana_coman: hm, if I'm looking at the right model it still is some reasonable size; I flew a couple of times to Rome on some 15-seats plane and that was always... interesting
BingoBoingo: From there it was a United 737-800 which gave off a 90's vibe in its plastic, especially compared to the Copa 737-800 which was new but full of infants
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i had a ride in an even tinier thing in ro, even had propellers
BingoBoingo: diana_coman asciilifeform Ah, it's a plane that seems to find its niche in routes that have demand to be done frequently, but only so many people at a time
asciilifeform: ( granted, turboprop, not piston. but still )
mircea_popescu: diana_coman business class got me discretionary rum, which was fucking worth it btw.
mircea_popescu: i went from "just about ready to burn this shit down" to having a grand ole mellow time in the ten minutes it took to get two refills.
BingoBoingo did meet some very nice venezualans last night
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, lol, it was surely worth it for them then at least
diana_coman: while I usually do have rum in the house it's (at least supposedly) meant for..caek
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747872 << i was in one of those yellowed plastics, panama->bolivia, and thought 'this could easily be same boeing i came to usa on in '92'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 13:18 BingoBoingo: From there it was a United 737-800 which gave off a 90's vibe in its plastic, especially compared to the Copa 737-800 which was new but full of infants
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you don't have good rum.
mircea_popescu: i never managed to find drinkable rum in the old world. so i only drink it this side
diana_coman doesn't claim much rum-knowledge
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was that a Copa plane?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the latter? yea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty sure i flew tm-bucharest in an actual piston thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, in what, a junkers ?
mircea_popescu: was still in commercial service in 90s.
asciilifeform: dafuq deedbot
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in greatagains, http://caselaw.findlaw.com/mi-court-of-appeals/1878675.html
asciilifeform: 'The Restatement (Second) of Torts § 559 lists “membership in the Ku Klux Klan” as the quintessential illustration of a defamatory statement. In an opinion piece in The Detroit News, columnist Bankole Thompson asserted that radio show host James Edwards is a “leader” of the Ku Klux Klan. There is no record evidence to suggest that Edwards holds a formal leadership position in the Ku Klux Klan, nor is there any record evidence
asciilifeform: this lack of formal relationship, Edwards has espoused views consistent with those associated with the Klan and, equally as important, he has repeatedly and publicly embraced several individuals who are strongly associated with the Klan. Mindful of Aesop's lesson, “A man is known by the company he keeps,” 1 we hold that Edwards cannot make claims of defamation or invasion of privacy and affirm summary disposition in favor of defe
asciilifeform: trinque there ?
mircea_popescu: this new host is pretty shitty.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, mind publishing somewhere your current vdiff?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
mircea_popescu: where the fuck do they find these mental molluscs ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: pretty sure it is same as mod6 has on trb www
diana_coman: that one seems to still spit timestamps on my machine at least
diana_coman: I did tweak it but I might have gotten something wrong and I'd rather rule this part out before hunting for issues
mircea_popescu: i wonder what laws of magic will be invoked to pretend that tort "ruling" is not precedent for de-licensing medicine.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma repaste mine, but gotta switch consoles, brb
diana_coman: asciilifeform, thank you!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is the one i've been using since iirc nov 2015
asciilifeform: it produces the 'standard' vpatch form
diana_coman: aha, it's basically my ...tweaked one except I did not realise I needed a space too
diana_coman: ftr mod6 you might want to update it on foundation's website
asciilifeform: mod6 appears to have my same vdiff
asciilifeform: and not the ancient timestamp-shitting one
diana_coman: ugh, at http://thebitcoin.foundation/ yes; I followed the links from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html though and ended up with old one
diana_coman: my bad, nm
BingoBoingo: The biggest impression montevideo is making on me is that it needs a trip to the BingoBoingo store for white lithium grease and toilet seats that aren't made out of particleboard
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747903 << the reality of present-day usg is that precedent is precedent when they feel like it, and unprecedent when they unfeellikeit
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 13:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's some pretty great legal reasoning right there. "the factual accuracy of statements can now be derived from the company one keeps -- for isntance, a man can not be sued for practicing medicine without a license for as long as he does it within sight of actual doctors"
BingoBoingo: In other news, IOC banned Russia from 2018 winter olympics
BingoBoingo: because caught "systemically doping"
BingoBoingo: Unlike USia where environment where doping is mandatory systemically curated
asciilifeform: lol, vs what kind of doping
BingoBoingo: You know the US hapahazard kind where fall guys systemically exist to protect system
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747908 << the 1 law, where 'precedent is whatever we say it is'. sorta like 'in this germany, a jew is he who i say is a jew' in the earlier reich.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 13:31 mircea_popescu: i wonder what laws of magic will be invoked to pretend that tort "ruling" is not precedent for de-licensing medicine.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo tooling in 3rd world is shockingly poor. almost what you'd expect people'd do that never saw tools.
BingoBoingo: Now faucets, that
BingoBoingo: 's poot tooling
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sops wet dreams, at least.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far the dreams been comin' troo
BingoBoingo: But the door hardware, likely 99% more reliable with a can of white lithium grease
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do they use for lubrication, yak fat ?
mircea_popescu: not as far as i've observed. then again, everyone's free to follow fanfics.
BingoBoingo: I don't know yet that they lubricate
asciilifeform: !#s terms of surrender
a111: 2 results for "terms of surrender", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=terms%20of%20surrender
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 11:15 mircea_popescu: lism was long ago disarmed by a democratic process increasingly dominated by powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers. And the courts, from which the victims of burdensome regulation sought protection, have been negotiating the terms of surrender since the 1930s."
BingoBoingo: But every toilet bowl so far has been expanding due to humidity exposure on it's bottom (water facing side)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, btw, didja see the piece where trump is shutting down whatever "natural monument" in utah ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not yet. what was this
asciilifeform: can haz link ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not shutting down, right-sizing
a111: Logged on 2017-08-04 02:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, whgen i was trying to get ben_vulpes to collect a bus'worth of local sluts and go throw an unauthorized party around those people the usg was trying to drive off their land ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh right, it was a fatshaming thing too
BingoBoingo: i.e. Grand Escalara national monument reduced to the the grand escalara and a bit of surroundings instead of a tract of mostly nothing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-monuments/trump-outlines-big-cuts-to-utah-monuments-environmentalists-sue-idUSKBN1DY167
asciilifeform: the cowboys from linked thread were iirc in oregon
mircea_popescu: the ~equivalent move to pantsuit "We will take down mount rushmore"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't recognize usg-painted map.
mircea_popescu: it's all one big west.
asciilifeform: i can picture
mircea_popescu: "While a handful of monuments have been resized in the past, none has been cut back to such an extent, putting the presidents proclamation in uncharted legal territory."
mircea_popescu: pantsuit continues to understand how the law works.
asciilifeform: on top of this i dun recognize the distinction between the two bureaucracies the ownership of said lands is being moved between
asciilifeform: they are part of same usg.
diana_coman: ugh; now I have a situation in which mod6's v simply drops on the floor my patch, while asciilifeform's v sees it correctly in the flow BUT when pressing it barfs saying that a readme file that the patch deletes does not exist as a result of previous patch WHILE pressing previous patch actually creates that file;
mircea_popescu: if this woman started responsibly a day early with all this and she's STILL gonna miss her today deadline ima hang someone
mircea_popescu: and it won't likely be her.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: tar it up plox, and post, looks very much like you have a mistake on your end. mod6 was able to press last night.
asciilifeform: or is subject diana_coman's new patch.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I CAN PRESS your patches
diana_coman: this is new patch on top , yes
asciilifeform: ok breathe, count 10, post tar.
asciilifeform: i'ma go to tea and look.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you should prolly have version numbers on these by now. testpatch-16
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, tbh I lost count; more like delete and create whole thing again, on the verge of making bash scripts for each project anyway
mircea_popescu: the hardest thing when reforming bad workflow is to... actually reform anything.
mircea_popescu: cleaning, always and forever the same damned thing.
diana_coman: will try without that readme file change anyway as that's more of an artefact of having run make clean (which deleted it too)
diana_coman: not in any way a point of the patch
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you made small mistake :
asciilifeform: you stripped the dir 'mpi' when you made your diff
asciilifeform: diff/patch is not insensitive to directory structure, or it could not handle dirs at all. in original we have 'a/mpi/bin/README', in yours there is instead 'a/bin/README'.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ugh, I see
diana_coman goes to try again
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ./vdiff.sh a b
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that is what I did
asciilifeform: what was in a, b ?
diana_coman: but apparently I should have done it on a containing mpi containing the code
asciilifeform: if there isn't 'mpi' in each -- your patch is off
diana_coman: while I did it on a containing code, wtf
asciilifeform: you can only diff items with same structure.
diana_coman: yes,they HAVE same structure
diana_coman: a and b
diana_coman: just one level lower
asciilifeform: same everywhere. think about it.
diana_coman: I do get it, thanks; will try again and report
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747976 << interestingly gprclean ( part of gprbuild system , illustrated in ffa ch1 ) actually-worx (unlike, pointedly, gnumake's)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 14:09 mircea_popescu: cleaning, always and forever the same damned thing.
asciilifeform: probably spiffiest build system i've ever used, and it ships with gnat.
asciilifeform: also diana_coman : you left binturdola in your diff dirs
asciilifeform: Binary files a/tests/test_mpi and b/tests/test_mpi differ
asciilifeform: Binary files a/tests/test_mpi.o and b/tests/test_mpi.o differ
asciilifeform: ^ appear in your patch
diana_coman: will look
asciilifeform: this is a major 'nope', all extant vtrons i expect will choke on this alone.
asciilifeform: diffed dirs gotta be binolade-free.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 498085 | Current Difficulty: 1.590896927258E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 499967 | Next Difficulty In: 1882 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
diana_coman: right; cleaned it again fully; put back in the readme file; made the structure a/mpi and b/mpi; can finally say that patch presses fine with both vtrons
diana_coman: thank you asciilifeform for your help
mircea_popescu: i guess we restate.
mircea_popescu: and in other pointless bullshit : https://goodmenproject.com/ ie "the conversation no one is having [any of]" happening inexplicably on the IAB website template. i'm guessing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 also does their checkout, legal &c, coincidentally.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
asciilifeform: in this case i can't even tell what the spamola-angle is supposed to be
asciilifeform: read like generic linkfarm.
mircea_popescu: the idea is that if pantsuit makes a paper dolly of "men" that'll do something irl.
mircea_popescu: obviously, something other than insta-bitchslap for opening mouth.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gox world, 'TOKYO (AP) — A bitcoin mining company in Slovenia has been hacked for the possible theft of tens of millions of dollars, just days before the virtual currency, which hit a record above $15,000 on Thursday, is due to start trading on major U.S. exchanges. ... address referred to by NiceHash users indicates that about 4,700 bitcoins had been stolen'
asciilifeform: ^ with the oblig 'millionzofdollarz'
mircea_popescu: lol "just days" before what ?
asciilifeform: days before clitler was due to fart ? i have nfi what
mircea_popescu: is fatso's retirement consist of community service in the shape of poorly worded communique's led in by TOKYO (AP) ? because this idiocy smacks very much of same source as item discussed in say http://trilema.com/2013/its-been-an-epic-few-days-what-happened/
mircea_popescu: (note the TOKYO - JAPAN - April 04, 2013 bit)
asciilifeform noticed the 'TOKYO'
asciilifeform: [Global Notice] Sorry for the disruption to services there folk. "Normality" should return shortly. << lol!
diana_coman: the normal normality as opposed to abnormal normality or what
a111: Logged on 2015-08-25 18:09 asciilifeform: all of this reminds me of the famous sovderpitude re: phone tap installation
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15600.0, vol: 23604.90390894 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15322.0, vol: 118683.91581332 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15700.0, vol: 6983.39982265 | Volume-weighted last average: 15383.6450164
mircea_popescu: heh. remember years ago when bitcoin made 1k and it made me a dollar-billionaire in the process ?
mircea_popescu: worked better for me than "surprise : wealth" worked for ers.
BingoBoingo: Well, less surprise for you
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu dun even use money for anyffing, he simply telekinesiates objects into existence...
BingoBoingo: Your surprise was just timing, esr's surprise was the wealth
mircea_popescu: wow, that's a hell of a byline.
mircea_popescu: "there's a difference between the sort of people that are surprised by what happens and the sort of people that are surprised by when it does."
asciilifeform: !#s kinetics disposes
a111: 4 results for "kinetics disposes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kinetics%20disposes
asciilifeform wonders occasionally re the ultimate pressure limit of the reactor. e.g. a sha256 collision is not cheap, but not infinitely expensive either.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 07:17 mircea_popescu: i just hope 100k doesn't happen before new year's.
asciilifeform still has no real notion of how, if at all, gox tickers relate to real life
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever measure the voltage of a dead watch battery ?
mircea_popescu: consider it this way : the lazy dumb fat women banded together to produce a joint report as to what they think things should be like. they call it "jezbel" or w/e. it keeps changing.
mircea_popescu: the lazy stupid poor "people themselves" banded together to produce a joint report as to how worthless they think everything about them is, in bitcoin terms.
mircea_popescu: they call it "bitcoin price", except it's obviously the dollar price.
mircea_popescu: that's all it is : how little the poor think their shit's worth.
asciilifeform: exchange-rate-as-scalar is as serious a misconception as battery-voltage-as-scalar .
mircea_popescu: "exchange rate" dun enter into this. think of it as a petition on change.org signed by everyone in the herd.
asciilifeform: i.e. a work of dope-addled fiction ?
asciilifeform: why to even bother having the ticker, then
mircea_popescu: "i think 2 bitcents should buy more than just my daughter. like 50x more."
asciilifeform: we dun have a change.org ticker here..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, an item of self-description.
mircea_popescu: "i am not worth a whole bitcoin".
mircea_popescu: that's all it is. voluntary self-denial on the part of the worthless.
asciilifeform: except 'worth of 1 bitcoin' is a defective item conceptually, like 'position of electron'
mircea_popescu: why ? some girls had the sense to peg it, some girls are still waiting. it's the perfect nonperson humiliator, this. "if i hold out my tits will be worth more" "ahahahaha, really ?"
asciilifeform: it's a propagating error, like div0, to include it in a logical chain is fatal, regardless of how correct the rest
asciilifeform: whether it works as a humiliator, or spiked club, or tension wrench, is orthogonal question
mircea_popescu: the funny thing being that it's EXACTLY how everthing else works. you didn't http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ at 15 yo because "school" ? lol. YOU LOST.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think i follow. come again ?
asciilifeform: it can work as a humiliator, just as electron can carry out useful work; but just as we do not reference electron's exact position , it is mistake to reference 'worth of bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: about 5 passes of this "it has nothing to do with bitcoin" and it still didn't take or what are we doing here ?
mircea_popescu: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BITCOIN. the "bitcoin price" is a statement of the worthless herd as to its own perceived worthlessness. bitcoin dun enter into it.
asciilifeform: i'ma ask a different q : what is the ordering function for these statements ? do 4 zeroes worth of 'we are worthless' actually represent a lower bow than 3 ?
mircea_popescu: when some schmuck writes on his employment application "salary sought - $50", this is not a statement on the value of the dollar.
mircea_popescu: it is a statement on the value of the schmuck.
mircea_popescu: same exact principle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, as far as the stater is concerned, yes.
mircea_popescu: note that your puppy thinking bringing you a dead weasel is 10x more useful than bringing you your newspaper ; even if your own estimation might diverge.
mircea_popescu: as far as the puppy is concerned -- deeper bow.
mircea_popescu: as far as wot is concerned, exactly like you say, div0, what the fuck do we care. we knew they're worthless going in.
asciilifeform: but how much truth is there in the statement ? picture if mircea_popescu were to drink a defective batch of rum, and goes with 10k btc to a gox. do you for a moment think that they will come up with 1.5e8 usd that day, to give for it ?
mircea_popescu: there can never be any truth in a statement made by the wotless.
mircea_popescu: we're discussing the bleating of sheep here, what fucking truth.
mircea_popescu: it's all feeling.
mircea_popescu: that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc.
asciilifeform: i suppose expert veterinarian might be able to distinguish 'bleats because indigestion' from 'bleats because inside is half-eaten-up by worms'. but asciilifeform cannot.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik bleat-scrying is not part of veterinarian training.
asciilifeform: spongiencephalopathy perhaps changed this...
asciilifeform does not know.
asciilifeform: phunphakt, Officially Verboten to leave usaschwitz with more than 10k usd 'gangster roll'. so today to carry 1btc's worth of green candywrapper requires arse capsule or similar.
mircea_popescu: see ?
asciilifeform: at some point 'nonlinear' effect begins : consider the difficulty of liquidating a coupla kg of au ( for nonspecialist. ) or for that matter, pu.
mircea_popescu: you keep thinking in these fiat-anchored terms, as fucking if that's how it worked.
mircea_popescu: you can never liquidate it, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT WHAT FOR.
mircea_popescu: you can get everything you want for some pennies.
asciilifeform: for so long as you only want items worth pennies, neh
mircea_popescu: bitcoin penny.
mircea_popescu: "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc.
mircea_popescu: you can't get TWO because there... aren't... two.
mircea_popescu: all you can get is the whole world, and it costs ever less btc, seeing how the "rate" has to also account for everyone's dreams.
mircea_popescu: which is what the bleaters are importing into bitcoin : their own WoWoW outlook. soon bitcoin "marketcap" will exceed all extant assets. because it has to. because they;'re idiots.
asciilifeform: well not whole world, but $coin/22e6 's cut.
diana_coman: is there some documented process re how to create with V basically a new project that will contain as *internal* components derivations of existing projects? for example: eucrypt will have inside an mpi component; as seen earlier, I can patch mpi directly, but then how do I include the result in a higher structure? can I even do it while preserving the links? (I guess it would mean that resulting project has effectively 2 roots: one the ge
diana_coman: nesis of eucrypt itself and one the genesis of mpi)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: let's carefully specify the question: what means 'internal'
asciilifeform: and 'inside'
asciilifeform: you are using gcc for a linker, neh. it takes arbitrary paths ( observe how i did it in ffa ch.1, it was deliberately illustrative )
mircea_popescu: so how do i patch mpi to become eucrypt/mpi ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I can compile it certainly wherever it is; but can I press with V eucrypt with eucrypt/mpi and eucrypt/serpent let's say?
asciilifeform: that part isn't puzzling, it's a straight patch on top of second_cut
diana_coman: hm, I thought I need a/mpi b/mpi ; can I have ..what, a/mpi and b/eucrypt/mpi?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in the contemplated example, are eucrypt/mpi and eucrypt/serpent plug-in alternatives for each other ?
diana_coman: no, separate parts that eucrypt uses
asciilifeform: there are fundamentally 2 ways to go about using a vtronic item as a component in another. one is to subsume it into your own
asciilifeform: so in that case it is a linear parent ( grandparent etc ) of your item.
asciilifeform: the other is to preserve the two lineages as separate, but to link your item against e.g. mpi.a , and to insert the latter's hash into your vtree, to proclaim the linkage -- as i did with the binariola schematic jpegs in FG genesis.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu expressed a strong preference for the ~former~ approach, at one point
asciilifeform: asciilifeform prefers the latter. but this is a fundamental sort of decision, i'd ask mircea_popescu , it's his proggy
asciilifeform: it is exceedingly difficult to revise this kind of thing at a later time.
asciilifeform: i'll add only that imho it matters just how strongly-coupled your outer proggy is with the library
asciilifeform: if loosely -- continuation of parallel v-lineages could make sense. if tightly -- marry'em.
asciilifeform: ftr i have no intention of amending mpi myself . if at some time i discover a new kochism therein, i will vdiff against diana_coman's mpi-containing entity
asciilifeform: ( what was asciilifeform going to do with mpi ? there was plan, for 1 further cut, of the logger and the allocator. but i put it in cold storage when began work on ffa . )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, can you work me through the steps to "subsume it into your own"? I don't yet see clearly what that is
asciilifeform: it means that you simply lift the code from the press.
asciilifeform: when drawn in phf's viewer, this will appear as a graph with two genesisen. which mircea_popescu seems to have allergy for, for some reason. but there is nothing outrageous mechanically about it.
asciilifeform: the important aspect is to avoid the mistake asciilifeform made early on in vtronic era, with 'tinyscheme' proggy
asciilifeform: where the linkage was ~not~ mechanically clear, because it appeared merely as a set of external symbols inside trb, rather than a proper lift of the files
asciilifeform: draw how you want the graph to look. and only then make the diffs. not vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform preference or no preference it'll have to be reground
asciilifeform: i'ma make a small cartoon example, brb
mircea_popescu: because having projects incorrectly structured in directories is suicidal.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you'd make a new genesis, for eucrypt, and patch it with mpi. this patch will share no .sigs with the other mpi it is text-identical to
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what two genesises ?
trinque: with the giant netsplit earlier, I'm skeptical it's the host.
asciilifeform: naturally if yer simply gonna unzip and piss over the vtronic aspect where nobody has to hand-diff 300kB of liquishit -- then yes you dun have 2 genesis.
diana_coman: at some point it seemed it was only me and scriba in chan, lol
trinque: thing's been on that host for months now
asciilifeform: you have instead 300kb of liquishit that seemingly appeared out of thin air.
mircea_popescu: trinque do i unban it ?
asciilifeform: and that you are now responsible for as if you had written it.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'll peek at logs real quick, then let ya know. it hasn't reconnected since the netsplit
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear with me if this discussion unearthed a fundamental bug in v design whereby we have no good way to import projects.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck exactly can't i move project/a to master/project/a through a patch ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman if every single patch you release is a genesis ( i.e. previously existing items are lifted with paste ) then you may as well simply publish signed tarballs, you are not actually using v
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can: diff ~the patch~
asciilifeform: you end up with easily readable patch consisting of changed dirs.
mircea_popescu: so then why can't she simply move the mpi/ dir into eucrypt/mpi/ and proceed ?
asciilifeform: she can. i simply just nao thought of it, lol.
asciilifeform: was gonna instead have long painful argument re structures that goes nowhere!111
asciilifeform: but nao dunhaveto.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman ^ that solve it ?
diana_coman: well yes, that was my initial proposal and question "is it possible?" ; if yes, then all nice and cool
mircea_popescu: it'd better be fucking possible because the alternative is madness.
mircea_popescu: as one man said to another once, "if the design impedes you, this will be no problem, as we'll fucking make a new design"
diana_coman will attempt it with some time to spare
asciilifeform: i'd volunteer to make this surgery but doesn't mg have programming folx on retainer..
asciilifeform: make'em do it.
asciilifeform: pretty straightforward op.
asciilifeform: for that matter, order'em to make the 'make' clean properly. also straightforward op. what kind of people cannot set up a make.
asciilifeform: programmers see kindness as weakness, diana_coman . borrow a spiked bat from mircea_popescu , it will work wonders.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom : http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2017/12/07/1 >> '...Debian switch from gpg1 to gpg2... After getting gpg and agent running, I noticed, that not reliably stopping the gpg-agent on initrd would introduce a private key data leak via /proc from early boot process to running system when stopping fails...' and,
asciilifeform: '...we found out, that the specification of the "--s2k-count" parameter, which specifies the number of rounds of key deriviation function to unlock the private key, has changed from gpgv1 to gpgv2, so that it is ignored in gpg2 but does not cause any warning or error.'
asciilifeform: and various other lulz.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eventually we are gonna need a sane replacement for unix diff/patch. one that not only has e.g. selectable hashtronics but knows what movement and deletion of files is
asciilifeform: ( unix diff pointedly does not, interprets it as vanishment-into and reappearance-from thin air )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform complained repeatedly about this from aug 2015 and onward.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-06 22:51 mircea_popescu: once we have keccak.
asciilifeform: there was at least 1 other thread about braindamage of classical diff
trinque: hm, nope, this one's on me.
trinque: backup script piled on and exhausted db connections.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I've fixed this, can unban
mircea_popescu: a kk
mircea_popescu: now to figure out how this is done
mircea_popescu: trinque lessee ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, sigs for your genesis + second cut patches are included at http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/
diana_coman: feel free to host them too, obv
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595796 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596582 << a few old threads , for folx thinking about diff )
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 21:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a problem yeah. will however have to be bit, wtf else to do.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 00:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll suggest a 'p-tronic' format for diffs. N\........ specifies N retained-of-a octets (e.g., 5\abcde )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty ! i'ma link to yours.
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
mircea_popescu: diana_coman could the patches be actually inline and not merely reference ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, they could, there's no question there; but they are text as it is, not sure what the big gain is (and it would end up in a very long thing)
diana_coman: more like forcing one to see them I guess
asciilifeform: i do regret having used name 'sane-mpi', there is very little sane about it except strictly in contrast with the original material
asciilifeform: every single numerical operation, including addition, time-leaks.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman well, for readability.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha; well, sane-by-comparison to the clusterfuck that is whole GnuPG (I DID go through THAT too initially)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i don't mean re this, necessarily. mpi as an import is one thing
mircea_popescu: but in general.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ah, in general it will be, yes; this is quite particular as it is a rather big block of not-totally-sane code that is imported basically
diana_coman: in general the discussion will also stick much closer to the code
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.bitfinex.com/stats << shitfinex. notice anything missing ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 14892.98, vol: 26297.00100513 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 14594.03517343, vol: 131294.16683905 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 14883.2, vol: 7539.76790032 | Volume-weighted last average: 14654.8450274
asciilifeform: ^ loox like they've quit selling btc...
asciilifeform: ( or exhausted supply )
asciilifeform: other goxes ( e.g. shitstamp ) having... technical difficulties
asciilifeform: ( e.g. the latter currently displaying a suspiciously round '15000.00' )
asciilifeform: and nao shitfinex brings back btc/usd pair, at same '15000.00'
asciilifeform: appears on every odd load..
asciilifeform: this is hilarious, you can watch their hand-fudging in real time
asciilifeform: aaaaand it's gone.
ben_vulpes: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parents-of-tampa-serial-killing-suspect-refuse-to-answer-questions/ << refusing to answer questions is contempt of court!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hey, недонесение is a crime in this here reich
ben_vulpes: everything is a crime
asciilifeform: '"We're not only trying to build a case against the defendant, we're trying to ask the broader question of why - a question that the victims' families and the community deserves' << prettygreat
asciilifeform: didjaknow, courts are for 'broader questions'
asciilifeform: 'Unlike some states, Florida has no law establishing "parent-child privilege," which would keep communications between them confidential' << interesting detail.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. << very doable for BingoBoingo in el estados unidos
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phunphakt, Officially Verboten to leave usaschwitz with more than 10k usd 'gangster roll'. so today to carry 1btc's worth of green candywrapper requires arse capsule or similar. << Nah, declare it and your affinity for gambling
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: didja do this via localbitcoins hand2hand?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "that aside, experimentally BingoBoingo produced a gangster roll out of a btc. i don't expect anything changed other than same item now costs .5" << you get THE ITEM THAT IS. for ever less btc. << And there's the pain of the experiment
asciilifeform: ( which, exactly , 'confidentiality privilege' remain ? iirc spouse-privilege was Officially cancelled, unhappened. ditto doctor, and attourney )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs.
asciilifeform: if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Done via a reliable route
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if you declare suitcase-with-million, you won't leave the airport. not on own legs. << This is why picasos are a thing
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if you declare e.g. 50k , you might leave, but it will be documented, and exactly same thing as doing bank wire, with none of the up-side << if you leave at all, documented
asciilifeform: meanwhile shitfinex : 'Over the last few days, we were hit by a mixture of huge real customer demand for deposits & withdrawals, at the same time as we experienced ddos in the form of malicious microdeposits and withdrawals (a heavily funded attack). On top of this, both the Ethereum and Bitcoin networks were under high congestion (blame the kittens, not us.)...'
asciilifeform: malicious microdeposits!! (tm)(r) didjaknow.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't speak for others, but picasso dun fit in my arse
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody counted my sub-10k when i left.
BingoBoingo: Not in arse, in suitcase. You declare the art as art worth ? and package it to match ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No one counted my sub 10k either
asciilifeform: the art thing would be considerably more interesting if picasso were actually a bearer instrument
asciilifeform: it so happens that it is not.
BingoBoingo: Picaso is negotiable bearer instrument
a111: Logged on 2015-08-22 22:03 mircea_popescu: well the entire contention was the strange notion that peasant who "finds" vermeer and "has always had it in family" should get to keep it.
asciilifeform: if i had to decide whether to find a picasso, or to be side swiped by a garbage truck, it would not be easy choice
asciilifeform: the prognosis is, as i understand, similar.
BingoBoingo: Well, you negotiate ahead of time whatever token is your picasso
BingoBoingo bakes latest walk up
asciilifeform: at any rate, removal of picassos / particle accelerators / similar from a failing inca empire is a specialist's work
asciilifeform: not a standard mode of moving moneys
ben_vulpes: !!up ate
asciilifeform: !!up ate
deedbot: ate voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: ate voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: ate what ?
ben_vulpes: *another* three char nick?
ate: shit sorry, logged in incorrectly
asciilifeform: ate: esthlos (~user@75-147-20-126-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #trilema <<< >>> ate (~email@example.com) has joined #trilema << you ?
ate: asciilifeform Please excuse this noob, but I've been reading through your website over the past week or two. Creating a sane computing environment has been an interest of mine for a while, and most of my effots have been following the work of Alan Kay. Eventually, as I believe you have, I learned about the beautiful Lisp Machines, and am very interested in working to create modern versions.
ate: asciilifeform: yes
ate: asciilifeform: salt mine worker on lunch break
asciilifeform: ate: read, enjoy.
asciilifeform: ate: i recommend to read the logs also. http://btcbase.org/log and see subj line of this chan.
asciilifeform: ate: consider registering a pgp key with deedbot
ate: asciilifeform: Thanks
phf: !!key diana_coman
phf: diana_coman: your mpi_second_cut.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig links to http://dianacoman.com/vpatches/mpi-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig
diana_coman: phf, fixed, thank you!
BingoBoingo: Buenas tardes todos gente http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/07/the-midwestern-rube-visits-la-rambla/
phf: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/P1000031-768x576.jpg if not for palms could be any of moscow's "sleeping" neighborhoods
BingoBoingo: That is nearly as central as central gets, the border of Buceo y Pocitos
BingoBoingo: Now there's a neighborhood called Centro that has yet to interest me, but it will likely be crossed on the way to the old city.
asciilifeform: phf: or in the sad part of timis.
asciilifeform: plebewarehouses look ~same everywhere, apparently.
BingoBoingo unsure any part of Montevideo is too sad, other than the listing boat
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15300.0, vol: 26432.63469383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15414.0, vol: 141984.24093821 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15475.1, vol: 7657.96024159 | Volume-weighted last average: 15399.5435391
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 15419.0, Best ask: 15420.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 15425.0, 24 hour volume: 141980.38473187, 24 hour low: 12851.0, 24 hour high: 15820.0, 24 hour vwap: None
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when i say 'sad', i suppose oughta elaborate, 'sad' ~= 'dun look like habsburgs would live here'
asciilifeform: timis has at least 1 sadsector, in that sense.
asciilifeform: ~100% of usa is sad.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently you haven't seen the castles the Busch family built with their soda swill revenues
asciilifeform: i dun much go in for cardboard castles, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well poured concrete usually
hanbot: la plata's northern side looks to be in better (but not by much) shape than arg's
diana_coman: phf, thanks!
BingoBoingo: hanbot: I hear they clean less in the off season. Today while exploring spotted many crews engaged in cleaning.
BingoBoingo: New construction, yes, cleaning yes, routine maintenance... not seen yet.
hanbot: I don't recall ever seeing cleaning crews near the river. or anywhere other than the esquinas of convenience stores. anyway, if they're anything like their southern neighbors ~everyone you meet will warn you about pickpockets/bag snatchers, to the degree someone who doesn't offer such warnings is by that sign a potential friend ;)
BingoBoingo: Ah, last nights venezualans mentioned they were very surprised by the number of cautions versus their experience
BingoBoingo: The venezualans are, like myself, economic refugees
BingoBoingo: How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile http://en.mercopress.com/2017/12/01/cristina-fernandez-appeal-rejected-money-laundering-and-criminal-conspiracy-case-goes-forward
mircea_popescu: "case". yes, political judgemens not deterred by complaint by victim.
BingoBoingo: Apparently she's a Senator now.
mircea_popescu: iirc as a result of being president ever.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense of argentina, in all fields, is nothing short of hysterical. they lose a sub, 100% through being TOTAL FUCKTARDS. they act as if adult country had some sort of problem ; as if people on it were qualified -- not to run a sub, but to run a dishwasher and so on.
BingoBoingo: As far as I can tell so far Uruguay lacks politics as understood by a middle western rube. Instead it has operations discusions concerning things like cleaning la playas.
mircea_popescu: confusing argentina for a country is not unlike confusing puppy for a baby -- ie something only uninformed fat old women could do.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I am pretty sure my 7 roommates at the hostel are argentine. I have talked to none of them yet because they are either sleeping or absent.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oddly enough latinos don't really believe in "how about you doin't dirty las playas in the first place".
BingoBoingo: I really have to work on my camera speed, a trash donkey was spotted twice.
BingoBoingo: North of Montevideo Shopping and then traveling past the cowork
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748215 << lmao trhey finally dfid away with the 5th ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 18:05 ben_vulpes: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parents-of-tampa-serial-killing-suspect-refuse-to-answer-questions/ << refusing to answer questions is contempt of court!
mircea_popescu: "oh, we are currently fibbing about you have immunity, therefore your constitutional protection is null and void, cuz that's how constitutions work now, therefore... oh what do you mean we'll change our mind later ? OF COURSE! you don't understand how the world works ?!"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 18:08 asciilifeform: '"We're not only trying to build a case against the defendant, we're trying to ask the broader question of why - a question that the victims' families and the community deserves' << prettygreat
mircea_popescu: cat would rather burn down the house than live in washing machine ; and normal human being would rather crack the earth into a trillio nshards than live in the "united states" pantsuit has imagined. what's so hard about this ?
ben_vulpes: "incriminating self", lolfcorse
mircea_popescu: what defies reason is how anyone can NOT go on a rampage shooting random people, bombing government buildings and setting toddlers afire in old tyres over there.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/the-crime-of-being-american/ << 5 years old.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748220 << makes exactly 0 difference. typical pantsuit move, pick irrelevant detail, try and make it stick.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 18:08 asciilifeform: 'Unlike some states, Florida has no law establishing "parent-child privilege," which would keep communications between them confidential' << interesting detail.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748231 << don't tell me, usg-run "exchange" periodically "victim of own success", as usg imagines this to go.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 18:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile shitfinex : 'Over the last few days, we were hit by a mixture of huge real customer demand for deposits & withdrawals, at the same time as we experienced ddos in the form of malicious microdeposits and withdrawals (a heavily funded attack). On top of this, both the Ethereum and Bitcoin networks were under high congestion (blame the kittens, not us.)...'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748242 << eh get out, when did you see garbage truck go faster than maybe 10 km/h
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 18:18 asciilifeform: if i had to decide whether to find a picasso, or to be side swiped by a garbage truck, it would not be easy choice
BingoBoingo: Eh, they go on the interstate back in home country en route to landfill
mircea_popescu: he walks the highways of his native land ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 20:53 BingoBoingo: How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, not since I sobered up
BingoBoingo: Anyways, right now I am being the friendliest gringo TMSR could retain as an ambassor. Leaning heavily on dumb gringo stereotype while calibrating listen and write heads to the local Castellano and screening potential contacts
BingoBoingo: I figure I have to use the advantage while it lasts.
BingoBoingo: brb, sober time... en Castellano!
ben_vulpes: kirchner facing treason charges: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/argentine-ex-president-cristina-fernandez-charged-with-treason/2017/12/07/e3e326e0-db80-11e7-a241-0848315642d0_story.html
ben_vulpes: pantsuits are on the case: ...[the judge] is under investigation over allegations of money laundering and illicit enrichment, with some critics suggesting that he may be targeting Fernandez's (sic?) as a smokescreen"
mircea_popescu: and in further "i can't believe that shit still exists" lulz, coupled with "here comes the self-eating shit sandwich", http://perezhilton.com/2017-12-07-melanie-martinez-rape-accusation-fan-merch
mircea_popescu: oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics."
asciilifeform: 'dying inside casually' << wat
asciilifeform does not know how to parse $item
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748321 << i take it they dun have hills where mircea_popescu lives
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 21:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748242 << eh get out, when did you see garbage truck go faster than maybe 10 km/h
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748333 << loox like she'll have to take another contract on another prosecutor eh
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 22:12 ben_vulpes: kirchner facing treason charges: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/argentine-ex-president-cristina-fernandez-charged-with-treason/2017/12/07/e3e326e0-db80-11e7-a241-0848315642d0_story.html
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 22:15 mircea_popescu: and in further "i can't believe that shit still exists" lulz, coupled with "here comes the self-eating shit sandwich", http://perezhilton.com/2017-12-07-melanie-martinez-rape-accusation-fan-merch
asciilifeform: she dun look like a toiletplunger wielder, either
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748319 << i dunno what exactly a gox with an empty btc tank looks like, but i suspect it looks not unlike today's shitfinex
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 21:05 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748231 << don't tell me, usg-run "exchange" periodically "victim of own success", as usg imagines this to go.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748310 << would be interesting to learn whether linked item is first case of its kind, or 9000th
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 21:00 mircea_popescu: "oh, we are currently fibbing about you have immunity, therefore your constitutional protection is null and void, cuz that's how constitutions work now, therefore... oh what do you mean we'll change our mind later ? OF COURSE! you don't understand how the world works ?!"
asciilifeform: the only other one i can immediately think of is flynn. but that's recent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, hipster chicks these days
mircea_popescu: she thought the conversation was going to be about her or something.
asciilifeform: yea but 'dying inside', wat
asciilifeform: wai such 'emo'.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748301 << until hearing of this owngoal, asciilifeform had not the faintest notion that argentines ~had~ a sub
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 20:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense of argentina, in all fields, is nothing short of hysterical. they lose a sub, 100% through being TOTAL FUCKTARDS. they act as if adult country had some sort of problem ; as if people on it were qualified -- not to run a sub, but to run a dishwasher and so on.
mircea_popescu: some old diesel shit.
asciilifeform: and i'ma guess was su surplus
mircea_popescu: they used it to spy on fishing boats.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
asciilifeform: seems a bit overkill neh
mircea_popescu: the only way to correctly represent argentina, joint or several, is by thinking of the dumbest whore you can possibly imagine.
mircea_popescu: they didn't get it for a purpose. they got it because they think owning subs is how you further the pretense of countryhood.
mircea_popescu: argentina is === sealand.
asciilifeform: hey usa is scaled-up version of same item
mircea_popescu: like every dumbass getting a mortgage "because everyone is".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but usa is dumb kid of rich parents.
mircea_popescu: argentina... oy vey.
asciilifeform: ar is dumb grandkid of modestly loaded grandparent eh
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever met an argentine who had any money. at all. ever.
mircea_popescu: yes but what's that do.
asciilifeform: dunno, i saw 'sofas' there that hadn't 'gone to the oven' yet
asciilifeform: e.g. they could sell passports to usa inmates
asciilifeform: or flats. or.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to break this to you, but "money" is here defined as > 1 gangster rolls.
mircea_popescu: im sure they have epsilon. guess what, so does my staffordshire terrier.
asciilifeform: 'the title to something worthless can always be monetized by making it even more worthless' or how did it go.
asciilifeform: like zhirinovsky's idea of how latvia should make buxxorz -- store fission wastes.
asciilifeform: btw i keep resisting but now gotta ask, how big exactly is a 'gangstaroll' ? when i went to ro i was able to pack a coupla kilobux , is all that will comfortably fold in normal human wallet
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748296 << i initially misread as 'had to break friendly gringo's face'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 20:53 BingoBoingo: How ever gansta roll comes with gangsta responsibilities, so had to break friendly gringo face momentarily for the scooter dork
asciilifeform: and was thinking 'whose face did BingoBoingo have to break for what scooterdork...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform real gangsters use clips.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748293 << in ro, zookeeper admonished asciilifeform's pet for letting her passport be seen in the daylight, with 'helpful' pantomime of purse-snatcher dancing away with it
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 20:49 hanbot: I don't recall ever seeing cleaning crews near the river. or anywhere other than the esquinas of convenience stores. anyway, if they're anything like their southern neighbors ~everyone you meet will warn you about pickpockets/bag snatchers, to the degree someone who doesn't offer such warnings is by that sign a potential friend ;)
mircea_popescu: wallets are for pussies.
mircea_popescu: a man sized clip will hold a whole brick (ie, 100 bills, 50k eur or 10k usd or 5mn colones or w/e), unfolded.
asciilifeform: sounds conspicuous-at-airport tho.
mircea_popescu: hey. they did want to count mine when i landed. i... didn't cooperate (but i did let them watch while i did, so there was that)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, part of gangster notion is that conspicuous is other people's problem.
asciilifeform: i almost expected mircea_popescu to say 'what airport, i have own diplomatic pouch system'
asciilifeform: 'why would i carry money, i just put it in glove box in the tank'
mircea_popescu: flying tank ?
asciilifeform: flies on the antonov, naturally.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the us is pretty ridiculous. upscale dinner for two can readily run you a grand or two, yet none of the walkers have that much on them.
asciilifeform: eating what, baby panda ?
mircea_popescu: what happens if you run into http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/ "hey babe wait right here i gotta spend an hour queuing at the bank" ?
asciilifeform: or does the figure include plane ticket to a place with actual food
mircea_popescu: most starred restaurants are a few hundy to maybe a grand a plate.
mircea_popescu: i get it, you don't powerlunch there every day. but if you run into a gal that takes your breath away... wouldn't it be the proper time ?
asciilifeform: few hundy i saw. grand -- not yet, these are probably the ones where you gotta know somebody, knock on the unmarked door five times etc
mircea_popescu: im not even sure how they run it stateside anymoar, for lack of much caring.
asciilifeform: hey i dun have any ideological problem with 'kilobuck restaurant', i spend similar sum on e.g. hdds regularly
asciilifeform: i just have nfi what drug would have to take to want to pay kilobux for americana
mircea_popescu: that's not the problem ; the problem (esp in the "western" world ) is that it'll still be sysco.
mircea_popescu: hence my lack of caring.
asciilifeform: kilobuxxor per biped buys a weekend trip to ro, ftr, and several doses of RealPhood
asciilifeform: ( granted not on the 1stclass deck with comfy sofa bed. but -- buys. )
mircea_popescu: someone should actually make a strippers-and-roman-banquet airline.
asciilifeform: i'll subscribe.
mircea_popescu: .7 attendants per passenger, "no means yes, of course" as company policy, and they feed you grapes manually.
mircea_popescu: sell the tickets for 10k or w/e, it'll be more than the strippers make anyway.
asciilifeform: i think they already have a 10k. but without stripper.
mircea_popescu: bout 10% of the 3bn male population would save to go just to be able to say "Went"
asciilifeform: lol, like mecca
asciilifeform: did 'concord' have strippers ?
mircea_popescu: talk about "efficient market hypothesis". this is A LOT more in demand than pink ipad covers, for instance. "oh but mp, pink ipad covers aren't illegal!" o ya ? ALSO more in demand than cocaine.
mircea_popescu: nobody does a line for any other reason than to THINK they're there. so make it a reality, more margin that way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform concord passage never cost 10k either.
asciilifeform: how in-demand ~is~ cocaine anyway
mircea_popescu: bout a trillion a year's worth or so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc last set of tickets was 20k ea. or sumthinglikethat
mircea_popescu: well, "last set". i'm not talking collector cunt here.
mircea_popescu: "nrfb" is not a positive for women.
mircea_popescu: !~google nrfb
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Dexter's Laboratory NRFB - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6PrRUKFcnPM>; What does MIB ~ NIB ~ NRFB ~ NOS~MIBS mean? | eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/gds/What-does-MIB-NIB-NRFB-NOS-MIBS-mean-/10000000003599297/g.html>; What does NRFB mean? - NRFB Definition - Meaning of NRFB ...: <https://www.internetslang.com/NRFB-meaning-definition.asp>
mircea_popescu: a-ha! dexter's lab! win!
asciilifeform: http://www.lamentiraestaahifuera.com/2014/06/26/los-desmayos-de-heidemarie-stefanyshyn-piper << in other lulz-found-via-trilema
asciilifeform: 'Heidemarie Stefanyshyn-Piper es capitán de la Armada norteamericana, ingeniero, y por dos veces parte de la tripulación de misiones del Shuttle. Pero Heidemarie no es famosa por poseer este impresionante currículo. Lo es por haber perdido una bolsa de herramientas en la misión STS-126 y por haberse desmayado dos veces en la rueda de prensa que dio la tripulación del STS-115 (su primera misión) nada más aterrizar.'
mircea_popescu: at first i thought made up name
asciilifeform: i also thought!
asciilifeform: gotta wonder, did she marry an equally sad ru engineer or wat
asciilifeform: whence the hyphenated monstrosity
mircea_popescu: i don't expect the hyphenating kind would put the husband first.
mircea_popescu: she married some idiotic lawyer turned lobbyist by the name piper
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 16409.02, vol: 25474.86335949 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 16474.0, vol: 141098.84766335 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15899.8, vol: 7775.86941449 | Volume-weighted last average: 16438.8966128
asciilifeform: lol the goxes forgot to agree on a magicnumber
mircea_popescu: seems within 1% neh ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 20:37 BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 20:38 jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 15300.0, vol: 26432.63469383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 15414.0, vol: 141984.24093821 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 15475.1, vol: 7657.96024159 | Volume-weighted last average: 15399.5435391
asciilifeform: or the goxes, ah. 16409.02 vs 15899.8 is not 'in 1%'
mircea_popescu: 15300 vs 15414 ?
asciilifeform: it yes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics." << win
mircea_popescu: im vaguely wondering what a 2000 born iowan even makes of a boat pic.
mircea_popescu: all these kids born after the world went to shit. "vhs america" indeed.
asciilifeform: not as if typical 1990s usainmate ever went on boat.
asciilifeform: or 80s, or prior.
mircea_popescu: back before 2001/1990s/bush/etc happened, the remnants of "male culture" were actually headed towards a boaty paradise, i suspect.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> btw i keep resisting but now gotta ask, how big exactly is a 'gangstaroll' ? when i went to ro i was able to pack a coupla kilobux , is all that will comfortably fold in normal human wallet << I packed $20 bills for convenience
mircea_popescu: but then they got deskilled a little and well...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not so smart ; outside of us nobody ever uses anything other than 100s
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform real gangsters use clips. << rubber bands, hence roll
asciilifeform: i distinctly recalled mircea_popescu wrote this, and went through some bother to obtain Troo Benjies
mircea_popescu: argentina had a 5-10% fine for having not-100s.
mircea_popescu: uruguay maybe not. but still, the general idea is... 20s are for inzeks. 100s are for outzeks.
asciilifeform: ro moneychangers waltzed'em through 3 kinds of magical voodoo box, in disbelief, before disgorging orcbux
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> sounds conspicuous-at-airport tho. << for flight were flay stacked in obvious blue vinyl banker's bag
trinque: asciilifeform: what? I spent big chunks of youth idle time with my dad trying to kill me behind a boat.
asciilifeform: trinque: yer not a typical inmate tho, neh
mircea_popescu: he's a typical texan.
mircea_popescu: not everyone is from the littoral shitholes.
trinque: I guess yeah, texan thing. dad would get drunk all day, try to murder the kids on a tether behind boat.
asciilifeform: from this 1 sentence, for instance, we learn that trinque had a father. my current understanding is that typical usa children do not, they grow up bastards
mircea_popescu: not in texas.
mircea_popescu: in the southwest men will actually pick up (the otherwise very submissive) women with children and parent them anyway.
mircea_popescu: in fact there's a lot of ethnographic and social difference across the "nation" which isn't. that the pantsuit don't know about it... well... they don't know about anything else, either, do they.
mircea_popescu: but for the sake of historical record, the very traditional central european "you may not say no to a man ; and ESPECIALLY not sexually" lands, ie from south carolina south and west as far as maybe eastern arizona, provide slut protection, in that "and if you end up alone with three kids before you're 30 i won't hold that against you".
mircea_popescu: the "feminist misery" as overrepresented in pantsuit media is mostly the result of urban californite reinterpretation of 1800s era boston puritanism. "if you're enjoyable you lose at life". makes for the obese, neurotic, deeplyh unhappy "queers" and whatnots.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the east coast moved to a very mechanicistic "if you can't engineer you're a failed bioexperiment", which makes for a slightly differenty flavour of very unhappy, somewhat overweight neuroticoball.
asciilifeform: where are all of these engineers.
trinque: asciilifeform: none, but they're miserable they aren't
mircea_popescu: hey, europe spent five centuries going "o noes, sin" and where are all the saints.
asciilifeform: and what in usa was engineered, since, idk, reagan's reign
mircea_popescu: the absence of engineers is not germane to this discussion. we're talking sociology here.
mircea_popescu: to put it another way : women will fail at anything they set their mind to. of course they would. that's the point of life on earth, everyone does it, what can you say. ars will stay longa.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the manner in which they recount this failure to themselves varies by place and culture.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not so smart ; outside of us nobody ever uses anything other than 100s << I have yet to see another confirmed gringo here, but the idea with 20's is more of them and single one is an amount suitable for what alf would call "human" transactions.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: course irl you just visit exchanger now and again.
BingoBoingo: The big fear was after the argentard stories being surrounded by poor, stupid folk.
mircea_popescu: how's that playing out ?
BingoBoingo: Most except the destitute I have met so far at least put on airs of "middle class" or "aspiring elite"
BingoBoingo: Much humility here so far.
BingoBoingo: Stupidity yet to be determined
BingoBoingo: Have yet to find any stories of unofficial exchange rate out of sync with official one, but given alquilar en pesos y comprar en dollares... seems probable there is one
mircea_popescu: nah. more like historical issue than spot fx.
mircea_popescu: they don't like to save in the local currency of a tiny mismanaged we-produce-nothing "corporation"
mircea_popescu: they prefer a larger one. apparently tbtf is a thing in human cognition.
BingoBoingo: I have yet to meet an Uruguayan who introduced Trump to any conversation.
BingoBoingo: I am at this point very unsure if the Uruguayans view politics as anything other than an operations discussion on how to extract value from stupid Argentine spending.
BingoBoingo: "Come to Montevideo, It's like Buenos Aires but quieter and less shitty"
mircea_popescu: this is entirely possible.
mircea_popescu: they totally own the abortion market, at that.
BingoBoingo: And the banking market
asciilifeform: iirc there was a trilema re 'abortionferry'
asciilifeform: sails out with full uteri, back -- empties
mircea_popescu: well... very close shaved ones anyway
mircea_popescu: i dun think most people realise how close curetage is to a really bad shave that's 2 layers too close.
asciilifeform: shaved, or perhaps vacuumed ( moar modern ) etc
asciilifeform: iirc in early phase can skip the 'shave'
BingoBoingo: Lol, there's so many ads on the street for hair removal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people dumb enough to get caught in a country which requires ferry trip for disposition rarely make anything like an early phase.
asciilifeform can picture this.
mircea_popescu: plus, for an argentine any expenditure over ~40 cents requires a bank loan.
mircea_popescu: i was standing in a shop to buy a ream of socks and shit, and this dork before me, ENTIRELY in the european academic geddup, including the ugly colors, the jersey, the bag over shoulder etc paid for ONE PAIR worth ~3 bux with a credit card.
BingoBoingo saw one payday lender at mall vs many bill pay offices
mircea_popescu: i was like "aren't you ashamed of yourself" and he pretended like he doesn't know i'm talking to him. EXACTLY like clinton & friends.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly could be 'trying to be american', carries 0 moneys
asciilifeform: over here people nao pay parking meters with cc.
mircea_popescu: if you need someone to lend you money for socks as a 50yo male you really have no excuse to be here.
BingoBoingo: Many of the larger shops offer discounts for card payments, apparently in retail that is a way to recover some VAT
mircea_popescu: and ESPECIALLY don't try the womanly "wisdom" angle. a male that dumb has nothing to impart by the definition of terms.
BingoBoingo: But always on debit cards
asciilifeform: waiwat what wisdom
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo over two bucks ? take 5 more minutes and have to sign shit ? what's the per-transaction risk cost to the card, ie, if your time were free and your pen were free, how much is the maximum card value capped at to make this purchase not a loss ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The retailers offering this are not ones where one easily spends only 2 bucks
mircea_popescu: back when i had (company) cards a decade ago, i used them to cover >1k bills at large wholesalers, not $300 at the restaurant. and EVEN SO it was iffy.
BingoBoingo: It's mostly the higher end looking clothiers and restaurants in Montevideo shopping.
mircea_popescu: because the per-usage cost of fraud upon a credit card is like 1.5-1.8% of its total net value. meaning if your account is worth over 100k lifetime, you can't afford to use a card to pay less than a coupla k's. and if your account is worth LESS than 100k lifetime there's no fucking reason you could possibly have to use a bank for anything.
BingoBoingo: Further from Montevideo Shopping and the WTC, the discount signage disappears
mircea_popescu: ask them for a cash discount, for lulz.
mircea_popescu: i usually get 5-10-15% here.
mircea_popescu: "y... me descuenta por efectivo ?", best magic words ever.
BingoBoingo: So far change for a $20 bill is consistently being rounded in my favor to avoid burdening me with coins.
asciilifeform: in usa, ( at least for plebes and on paper, actual practice is moar complicated ) vendors are saddled with the fraud cost.
mircea_popescu: o, they have pretty cool coins in uruguay iirc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's what you naively think ; but not in practice.
BingoBoingo: The coins are cool, but... they cover 10 pesos on down so that's a lot of metal
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally in the end konsoomer is made to pay, it is rolled into prices.
asciilifeform: however the cc-abstainers get to , here's the beauty, pay the same prices..
mircea_popescu: nevermind the end consumer. look into business owners / middle class experiences, the net is fulla "oh, they have this bank acct they won't let me close that keeps getting dinged by fraudsters and they charge me"
asciilifeform: these yes. hence 'vendors'
mircea_popescu: us bank account is insanity on the face, i was discussing the (at the time still somewhat sane) eurolands.
asciilifeform: they get raped.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, no. as the BUYER.
asciilifeform: right, if yer a corporate acct ( even a microscopic one ) you get the rapestick.
mircea_popescu: well what the fuck, am i going to pay with taxed money ?
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this nonsense.
asciilifeform: in other great-agains , https://archive.is/wbVbJ >> 'Google plans to increase to 10,000 the number of its staffers tasked with tracking down extremist content on YouTube. "We will continue the growth of our teams, with the goal of bringing the total number of people across Google working to address content that might violate our policies to over 10,000 in 2018," YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki told Britain's Daily Telegraph in an intervie
asciilifeform: w. Wojcicki said that "bad actors" had used the video-sharing site to "mislead, manipulate, harass or even harm" others.'
mircea_popescu: hey. "generate employment"
mircea_popescu: ~all of the pantsuit only has one economic utility left, and that is to "police" the web for anything deviating from their worldview.
mircea_popescu: as long as fed can keep printing, they'll keep going to "moderation college" for a "moderator career".
BingoBoingo: Well, an empire can't die holding only a single mistake
mod6 reads l0gz
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747850 << no prob! will have the 'Creating, Naming, and Submitting a Vpatch Guide' (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000168.html) updated by the end of the weekend.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 11:24 mircea_popescu: mod6 mind adding the "no clearsigned material in patches -- you got the .sig for that" and "no '--- ' anywhere, you have been warned" rules to it ; and phf / everyone mind making it stick ?
mod6: BingoBoingo: nice pictures. hope all is well.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1748189 << Thanks for posting. I can confirm that diana_coman's vpatch presses fine: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/GVmx0/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 17:16 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 17:16 deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/12/07/introducing-eucrypt/ << Ossasepia - Introducing EuCrypt
mod6: oops ^
a111: Logged on 2017-12-07 22:17 mircea_popescu: oh and in "social media was invented to entertain me" reprints, me : how goes it ? 19yo f iowa : "dying inside casually. you ?" me : "here's yachting pics."
mircea_popescu: mod6 cool deal.
mircea_popescu: http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/erect-the-man-billboard/ << in case anyone was wondering who patreon/gofundme/the rest of silycon valley webscams were ripping off : dick masterson.
mircea_popescu: no, it wasn't an original idea of theirs ; they can't have such a thing.
cazalla: dick masterton cucked poor maddox
cazalla: mircea_popescu, you see maddox trying to sue dick for 20m for saying mean things about him on the net?
mircea_popescu: o hai
mircea_popescu: no ?
mircea_popescu: i thought they were partners or w/e.
cazalla: they were, but maddox became an sjw
mircea_popescu: ahaha when ?!
cazalla: maybe a year or 2 ago now, maddox thought everyone was listening for him, but turned out they were tuning in to hear dick, so maddox went his own way expecting all the patreon bucks to come to him, but only a couple hundred while dick pulling in thousands lol
mircea_popescu: maddox has this very annoying girl voice. nfi what he thought he was doing with vlogging or w/e
mircea_popescu: well, actually, o have an idea : need a lot more material to fill text than video, so every lazy ass is trying to sell his ugly nose pimples in lieu.
cazalla: poor ol' maddox even went to court telling them dick said bad things about him, his gf, stole his ex-gf and on it goes, funniest thing maddox has ever done to date imo
mircea_popescu: bejaysus, poor fucks suing each other over pennies ?
mircea_popescu: there should be a law that anyone filing suit for under 1mn gets caned instead, and then sold by open outcry.
mircea_popescu: "6. In 2014, Defendant Herrera was relatively unknown, had a small fan base, few resources, and therefore, being included in Plaintiffs Podcast represented a huge opportunity for him." ahahaha what the fuck, is he off his rocker ?
mircea_popescu: masterson was prolly larger than maddox mid 2000s.
mircea_popescu: o sweet merciful jesus, "19. The harassment campaign(s) Defendant Herrera, and the other Defendants, have created, and continue to create, against Plaintiffs are appalling, wanton, vindictive, ruthless, and patently repulsive. Whats even more nauseating is that Defendant Herrera, in conjunction with the other Defendants, have created a thriving business based around their continued harassment campaigns, cyber mob
mircea_popescu: attacks, and threats against Plaintiffs."
mircea_popescu: landau group, pc actually signed off on this idiocy ?
cazalla: can't remember when i first dick on tv, but he's as old as maddox surely when it comes to the net
mircea_popescu: this is pretty sad.
mircea_popescu shan't be mentioning maddox again, wtf is this misery.
cazalla: anyway, before the kids go for the power point and phone again.. i'm off.. nice pics BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: and in other nutterisms, i have the most broken boxes... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pJofF/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: c compiler cannot create executables ffs
mod6: gcc 6 tho?