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lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740385 << thing is, if I wget the archive.is page with the -pk option on, I get turd-soup in many cases. For example, "wget -pk --user-agent="" -e robots=off --wait 1 http://archive.is/MiJ5U" yields a handful of .pngs and nothing else. Versus just wget-ing the actual trilema item with the same options yields a perfectly usable local copy
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 21:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740240 << use wget-of-archive-page and zip that!
lobbes: And to boot, it seems that pointing wget at archive.is pages still doesn't capture the 'dynamic' content alf alluded to, such as the inline images found in archives of noose-sites like http://archive.is/dIlCm
lobbes: Currently going down the headless-browser path ben_vulpes suggested. Looking into phantomjs atm, which seems like it could do the job. I have an old craptop I'm thinking of using as the proverbial 'public toilet' to house it on. (This is the same craptop I was planning to put a trb node on. I put a spanking-new ssd in there but then realized that the ethernet dun work anymore; wifi only. May be a good use for the thing to just be a turd server in
lobbes: stead)
ben_vulpes: in other plagiaristic urls and magic profitz: https://www.btcbase.io/
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736314 << done; chinesium multimeter showed itself to be completely broken, so repurposing svideo cable will have to wait. stuck on plasticrap for now...
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 21:44 asciilifeform: as for capslock, there is a mod, you can remove the lock latch
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 495044 | Current Difficulty: 1.364422081125E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 495935 | Next Difficulty In: 891 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 15 hours, 29 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7770.98, vol: 5391.18146065 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7757.4, vol: 27569.19569432 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7750.0, vol: 1930.15436482 | Volume-weighted last average: 7759.08897117
BingoBoingo: What an incredibly stablitit time to have converted 1 BTC to roll form
BingoBoingo: And in other news poor Mugabe
BingoBoingo: And the pantsuit purge expands: "John Draper, a legendary figure in the world of pre-digital phone hacking known as "phreaking," has been publicly accused of inappropriate sexual behavior going back nearly two decades."
lobbes: Amusing part about this purge is how quickly some of these d00ds submit to the insanity for hopes that they can continue to trade more stones for stone-soup: http://archive.is/WbvN2#selection-2307.24-2307.762
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740635 << such professional.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 05:54 ben_vulpes: in other plagiaristic urls and magic profitz: https://www.btcbase.io/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740645 << it's even funnier when you consider how deeply anachronistic it is. "we've decided TODAY shit that was acceptable yesterday shouldn't have been, so we're going to talk importantly about the people who did the acceptable thing of yesterday yesterday and how bad they are". dude... at least they DID SOMETHING. much unlike the schmucks derping about it today.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 08:16 lobbes: Amusing part about this purge is how quickly some of these d00ds submit to the insanity for hopes that they can continue to trade more stones for stone-soup: http://archive.is/WbvN2#selection-2307.24-2307.762
mircea_popescu: when's the last time someone who HASNT engaged in "inappropriate sexual behaviour" twenty years ago actually got laid ? that's what i wanna know.
mircea_popescu: no, sitting around derping about "the future, man" with a buncha self-professed "lesbians" (cuz its easier than admitting you're too lazy to put out) dun cunt. i mean count.
mircea_popescu: in other rotaku interest items : https://thraxusares.wordpress.com/2016/05/30/etimologii-rusinoase-pizda/ (proposing the perhaps persuasive theory whereby ro pizda is not slav borrowing but common substrate, extremely extensive documentation. lots of other items of interest in luxuriant detail.)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740583 : do me a favor and genesis it, ima fix/update as the time permits, how about that.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 01:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile, on asciilifeform's vivisection table : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-17#1740234 >>> becomes >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_ascii.txt
shinohai: Morning republicans!
mircea_popescu: aaand in other holy shits : https://www.okcupid.com/about
mircea_popescu: scroll down to where it says CTO : mike_c
shinohai: O.o
mircea_popescu: (apparently okcupid went full app-shit sometime in the interval also ?)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740653 >> neato! >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_genesis.vpatch + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig .
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 11:44 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740583 : do me a favor and genesis it, ima fix/update as the time permits, how about that.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740652 << pretty lulzy... salamandră . stație experimentală . Țarigrad . Țările de Jos . triunghiul Bermudelor !
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 11:43 mircea_popescu: in other rotaku interest items : https://thraxusares.wordpress.com/2016/05/30/etimologii-rusinoase-pizda/ (proposing the perhaps persuasive theory whereby ro pizda is not slav borrowing but common substrate, extremely extensive documentation. lots of other items of interest in luxuriant detail.)
asciilifeform: capcană ahahahahaha
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740657 << this is actually pretty sad.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 13:55 mircea_popescu: scroll down to where it says CTO : mike_c
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (apparently okcupid went full app-shit sometime in the interval also ?) << The website has increasingly little to hook, and is increasingly poorly populated. Last week Uruguay had 4 girls, now has 2. Extrapolating from Uruguay's 4 million population this means ~35000 girls is all okc has left. Been in decline for a while, but now fallen sharply.
BingoBoingo: Even less alternatives to talking to people now.
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt -- in addition to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577428 history -- okc at one time ran surveys , and rediscovered the known-to-the-ancients 'EVERYONE, no exceptions, likes lighter skin' item. and then immediately doctored the site and fell into politruk line, no moar 'risky' surveys. )
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 23:35 mircea_popescu: 2nd generation immigrant, sold edonkey to barnes&noble, sold okcupid to iac, will sell his highschool sweetheart if it comes to that or no more starbucks.
BingoBoingo: Well, survey thing was slashed during IAC acquisition era
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740635 << brought to us, no doubt, by the same fine folx who brought us http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658672 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-31#1610071
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 05:54 ben_vulpes: in other plagiaristic urls and magic profitz: https://www.btcbase.io/
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 20:25 jurov: wtf http://mpex.co/history_of_bitcoin_stock_exchanges.html
a111: Logged on 2017-01-31 02:25 asciilifeform: http://cardano.io
asciilifeform: there were a few others in same spirit, but i've misplaced'em
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740636 << they're exactly the same cable , you dun need a multimeter
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 05:56 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736314 << done; chinesium multimeter showed itself to be completely broken, so repurposing svideo cable will have to wait. stuck on plasticrap for now...
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740633 << 80211 suxx for anything resembling a server, it drops out
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 05:19 lobbes: Currently going down the headless-browser path ben_vulpes suggested. Looking into phantomjs atm, which seems like it could do the job. I have an old craptop I'm thinking of using as the proverbial 'public toilet' to house it on. (This is the same craptop I was planning to put a trb node on. I put a spanking-new ssd in there but then realized that the ethernet dun work anymore; wifi only. May be a good use for the thing to just be a turd server in
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740644 >> https://archive.is/0nz9U << 'In a series of tweets, Matt Blaze, now a well-known cryptography professor at the University of Pennsylvania, said on Twitter that Draper took an interest in him as a teenager, and invited him to share in his "exercises."'
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 07:54 BingoBoingo: And the pantsuit purge expands: "John Draper, a legendary figure in the world of pre-digital phone hacking known as "phreaking," has been publicly accused of inappropriate sexual behavior going back nearly two decades."
asciilifeform: !#s matt blaze
a111: 6 results for "matt blaze", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=matt%20blaze
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529864 << ding
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 15:55 mircea_popescu: Their successors include Matt Blaze, a widely known cryptographer and associate professor at the University of Pennsylvania; Cindy Cohn, Ms. Steele’s successor as executive director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation; Bruce Schneier, a security author and expert; Gabriella Coleman, an anthropologist at McGill University who writes about online activism; Linus Nordberg, a longtime internet and privacy activist; and Megan
asciilifeform: runs... tor.
asciilifeform: ( and apparently author of ye olde 'turtle' , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-09#1401230 << thread )
a111: Logged on 2016-02-09 21:12 asciilifeform: interestingly, blaze uses the term 'cryptovariable' in his code
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: attaching s-video out of aek to microcontroller, which makes a usb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i extracted 4 other ro dicts from the turd : 2 'technical', 1 'expressions', 1 'proverbs'
asciilifeform: some of these, oddly, have orcograms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's start with the first.
mircea_popescu: also, my policy re "diacritics" as they're called is that i don't write them, but i don't actually bother to take em out from text i touch. so there's all sorts of ro literature i fixed on my blog, where it's quite evident what the original author contributed and what i put in, because the rotards are very much into this "currently correct romanian notation is alphabet + 5, down from alphabet + 12 a century ago, and THIS MATT
mircea_popescu: ERS IMMENSELY" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740662 << it is as best i can tell a ~complete~ list. which yes, it's how romanian sinonymy works, you get 1k for whore etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 14:45 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740652 << pretty lulzy... salamandră . stație experimentală . Țarigrad . Țările de Jos . triunghiul Bermudelor !
asciilifeform: hmm this was in the l0gz, mircea_popescu asked folx to promise not to vgenesisate uniturds
asciilifeform: can't seem to find where
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the slut/whore (woman that does it with everyone because has an itch in her cunt / woman that does it with everyone because has an itch in her purse) is not preserved. but 1k nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aw shit, did i just entice you to break form ?
asciilifeform: well not yet
asciilifeform: it's why i haven't genesisated the 15MB of new item yet
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-25#1415401 interesting re this.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-25 17:12 phf: i've been mulling over that question with logs. fwiw, entire log can be kept in memory for analysis, annotation, whatever, 180mb as utf-8 byte arrays. with unicode strings takes up twice the memory on 16-bit cmucl, and ~~4 times on 32-bit sbcl. i'm not yet convinced that transcoding everything you get into string and then transcoding it back to a bytearray onto the wire is the best strategy
mircea_popescu is digging the logs too
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=unicode+from%3Amircea << not in here.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha holy sdhit this thing.
mircea_popescu: "+cardinalitate, posibilitate a unui sistem informatic de a reactiona simultan diferite operatii`cardinalidad" << "cardinality, the possiblity of an informatic system to simultaneously react different operations".
mircea_popescu: this is the level of romanian members of the academy of arts and letters, exactly. http://trilema.com/2010/hai-sa-studiem-gramatica-impreuna/ has teh details.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc it was 'utf'
mircea_popescu will peruse that list also
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446455
a111: Logged on 2016-04-05 22:08 mircea_popescu: OMFG! so these useless imbeciles have added every last thing to utf EXCEPT A TITS GLYPH ?
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: inclusive except for the only thing that matters. fuckers.
shinohai: kek
mircea_popescu: as per teh logic of the venerable http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/ : insert ways for me to demean women in your "novel standard" as the first list of must-haves, because the ~possiblity~ of demeaning women is fundamental to any workable communication system. not inserting them isn't going to forward your political agenda ; it's going to simply precipitate a http://
mircea_popescu: btcbase.org/log/2015-01-30#998185 dissidence, ie i will raise arms and kill not just your standard, but your children along with it. literally.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545815 << fucking unicode, nothing but a means to oppress the only elements of any group that actually matter.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-20 19:48 mircea_popescu: how cool it is that we ate all the bugs and errors from "supporting utf", because look - there's no fucking glyph-based way to latex, in 2016.
asciilifeform: recall the chinese thread
asciilifeform: !#s 妓
a111: 3 results for "妓", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%E5%A6%93
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689141 << ding
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 21:11 asciilifeform: at the cost of a bit of log clutter, let's indulge asciilifeform's crackpottery, and lay out 妓 ( U+5993 : whore ) :
mircea_popescu reads
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly my next line being http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-22#1689192 way down. i dun ask anyone to promise nething do i ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-22 21:51 mircea_popescu: so i joined the whores going to the gym. my first time in a gym at that! it was discovered that yes i'm a lot more powerful than they are, but i have neither the flexibility nor the endurance.
mircea_popescu: searching logs (in this case, for "promise") doth yield some fabulous gems. such as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640169
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:25 mircea_popescu: as a general rule, people who can't produce genus/difference definitions for all the symbols in their own output are better off not thinking yet, as what they think thinking is isn't.
asciilifeform: found it : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574497
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 14:36 mircea_popescu: speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-23#1589158 << is this it ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-23 14:55 mircea_popescu: suppose we had a rule stating that "all patches must include as a comment the patch upon they are to be applied" ?
mircea_popescu: o wow.
mircea_popescu: settled then.
asciilifeform: the hilarious bit : the orcogram in question is a ~short stroke~
asciilifeform: really oughta be asciifiable
asciilifeform: ( it's still missing the îțâșă )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574510 << phf even has claim to original art.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 14:43 phf: we had a thread when diff was first discussed as a way to do patches (i think maybe before even v), where i was erring on the side of no unicode support on the grounds that if we decide to support unicode we have to, to borrow asciilifeforms, drink the whole spittoon
asciilifeform: fwiw i'm not wholly convinced re 'whole spittoon'
mircea_popescu: res judicata, fortunately.
mircea_popescu: in a totally meta-point : can you BELIEVE how INCREHEHEHEEEEDIBLY useful our whole infrastructure actually is ?
mircea_popescu: no court in the history of the legal profession ever managed the pinnacle of legal achievement on display here in this past HALF HOUR omfg.
mircea_popescu: leveraged human thought to a degree not seen before nor, honestly speaking, conceivable without the example./
shinohai: In mircea_popescu bitcointalk lulz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935018.0
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a lulz for you : before making the fain@polimedia item discussed in logs recently ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730110 etc) i actually attempted a... ro dictionary full rewrite. was called "adex".
a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 05:58 mircea_popescu: hanbot you prolly recall, old fain datas, http://trilema.com/2011/2022353/
shinohai: Apparently I missed that one
mircea_popescu: so now, upon proceeding with this item of yours, i obviously reopened that 7 year old directory. wherein i found...
mircea_popescu: an antique and therefore reliable copy of the dex (dictionar explicativ al limbii romane). 80 mb's worth.
mircea_popescu: i presume you want ?
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: in other pipeline, the 'proverbs' item is hopelessly bitrotten, i'ma jettison it. the 'tech' and 'expressions' otoh are ready, dedupped, and flipped ( so as ro->eng )
mircea_popescu: shinohai lel
asciilifeform: and ready for either genesisation or not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how many lines the expression item ? (tech i will asume worthl;ess sight unseen -- bot didn't write a ro tech dictionary and ~nobody else was qualified to)
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_tech.txt http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_expr.txt << 313333337 w4r3z
asciilifeform: again, за что купил зато и продаю , no guarantee of wtf is in'ere
asciilifeform: ftr, how to flip one of these :
asciilifeform: paste -d'`' <(cut -f2 -d'`' orig_dict.txt) <(cut -f1 -d'`' orig_dict.txt) | sort -n > flipped_dict.txt
asciilifeform: ^^^ worx great ^^^
mircea_popescu: yep, teh tech bit is entirely not worth anyone's time.
asciilifeform: imho the 1st item was much too full of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740598 as it was
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 02:11 asciilifeform: e.g. ' ciclu format din atomi de carbon`carboatomic ring ' and the like.
asciilifeform: might even be worth using the tech list as ~subtractand~
mircea_popescu: "12 este divizibil prin 2`12 is divisible by 2" holy shit. there are some useful expressions in the expression item, however a) very low snr, lots of useless crap and b) idiomatics not really a good fit for dictionary, much better fit in blog articles.
mircea_popescu: consequently ima skip.
asciilifeform: oh btw i cut some truly egregious nonsense from orig item : it had a coupla dozen 'dates of life of great people'
asciilifeform: because apparently when caesar lived totally belongs, according to these folx, in a dictionary.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lots of good ones missing. "i-a picat fata" (his face fell off) ; "a dat cu mucii-n fasole" (he snotted the refried beans) ; "iti pica fisa ?" (does the coin inserted into your coinslot actually fall through the spuriously complex machinery inside your otherwise empty skull to make the necessary contacts ?) ; "a freca menta" (mintrubbing, absent ?! gimme a break!) ; "ai morcov [in fund] ?" (to have a carrot [up
mircea_popescu: arse]) and so on and so following
asciilifeform: i suspect it's an ancien-regime work
mircea_popescu: it misses so many of the most trite expressions it's not worth mentioning as a dictionary anyway, much in the way a "map" of texas that only had dallas.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all these are pre 1980.
asciilifeform: it shows
mircea_popescu: the snot item is very likely older than the united states for example.
asciilifeform: i meant it was prolly considered 'unprintable' by the '80s prudes
mircea_popescu: but the coin item is VERY specifically related to apparatus that only existed in the 80s.
mircea_popescu: besides, im pretty sure i saw all of these in ro printed matter.
asciilifeform: then nfi
asciilifeform: afaik a quality 'expressions' dict dun exist for any modern lang. it's a tricky item.
mircea_popescu: 2ed94a10dbd9160f62cfb9c004342f603028cdf2d3bbb72cdf9c762eaa2cf804088382e7cfa85d5588526a76a71b1c4322d12c6505715008ff5b0c70ac3e8b66 http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/dex-database.sql.gz
mircea_popescu: sql dump of the whole site.
asciilifeform: ooh neato
asciilifeform: eggog tho
mircea_popescu: mmm
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this wonder
asciilifeform: 404
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chmoded into correctness, try naos
asciilifeform: nao worx, ty
mircea_popescu: my pleasure
asciilifeform: item looks to be quite practical, also.
mircea_popescu: in other wtfs, girl opens jar, a scent of paradise fills kitchen. i go over to investigate. the item is helpfully labeled : melaza. ie, molasses.
mircea_popescu: this is insufficient, i saw molasses before, not paradise.
asciilifeform: aaah such good times, to have these things on own hdd! instead of wwwnonsense
mircea_popescu: but the label helpfully explains : con gingseng, carao (?!) y cuculmeca.
mircea_popescu: o thank you label of WHAT THE FUCK
asciilifeform: aint that a thing that only grows in equator
asciilifeform: what was it, bread tree ?
mircea_popescu: aooarently it's some local cassia and smilax cordifolia
asciilifeform: https://www.acguanacaste.ac.cr/paginas_especie/plantae_online/magnoliophyta/fabaceae/cassia_grandis/c_grandis12jun98/cassia_grandis_2700/98-ACG-PI-d-2187_g.jpg << fascinating
mircea_popescu: ie "pink shower tree" and catbrier.
mircea_popescu: can conceivably mix into paradise i guess
asciilifeform: !#seen mike_c
a111: 2017-09-11 <mike_c> congrats! I did that a long time ago too. Good luck with it.
BingoBoingo: And Mugabe's "resignation statement" is set to drop sometime soon.
BingoBoingo impressed by the afternoon's terse yet definitive proceedings
BingoBoingo: And in timely rereadings http://trilema.com/2014/venetian-republic-and-find-spiritual-music/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740667 <<< afaik it never was anyhthing besides "rural western us middle aged women with delusions of self-importance". 45yo oregon dwelling ex-waitress with an interest in spirituality / 38 yo illiterate "princeton graduate" with 1mn in debt and ~0 yearly income 80% of okcupid demo.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 14:51 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (apparently okcupid went full app-shit sometime in the interval also ?) << The website has increasingly little to hook, and is increasingly poorly populated. Last week Uruguay had 4 girls, now has 2. Extrapolating from Uruguay's 4 million population this means ~35000 girls is all okc has left. Been in decline for a while, but now fallen sharply.
BingoBoingo: You forget the entire Pinay diaspora farms it
BingoBoingo: But yeah, that's about it
BingoBoingo: Hong Kong, much Pinay diaspora, much OKc still. Prolly the demographic least sensitive to web design suck. Further proving the point of Namecheap's demise
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740665 << amusingly, the 2015 trilema lulz re okcupid ( http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/ ) / his 2016 disappearance ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697386 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458351 ) match remarkably well ; which begs the question why say "keeping pretty busy" in preference of "wrote to IAC after you mock-exploited one of their 'properties' and got hir
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 14:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740657 << this is actually pretty sad.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 20:32 mike_c: hey, look at that
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 03:01 mike_c: at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
mircea_popescu: ed". but anyway.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you ever seen the "banking apps" of azns ?
mircea_popescu: (windows got a sort of monopoly for banking there, it's hysterical what stack they run)
asciilifeform: ahahaha the zoological reservation where e.g. 512bit rsa lives
asciilifeform: and 64bit aes, etc
mircea_popescu: oya
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, notably worst in Lower Korea/Japan.
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740664 << see also capcaun.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 14:45 asciilifeform: capcană ahahahahaha
BingoBoingo: Less developed Asia tends towards "apps" but Peak Asia tends to Windows 98 SE in lucite
asciilifeform: i assume sumthinglike 'bear trap'
asciilifeform: unless it's yet another falsecognate
asciilifeform: ( to ru капкан )
mircea_popescu: capcană = trap, generally in the physical sense. căpcăun = strange item, pluriously rendered as ogre, troll etc. basically ro folklore big bad. in all appearances direct survivor of greek antrophophagos.
BingoBoingo: In still other headlines of the interlanguage frontier: " Trump Tweets “I Should Have Left Them in Jail” About UCLA Basketball Players Arrested in China"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740818 << d00d has some explainin' to do, if he ever reappears
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 00:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740665 << amusingly, the 2015 trilema lulz re okcupid ( http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/ ) / his 2016 disappearance ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697386 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458351 ) match remarkably well ; which begs the question why say "keeping pretty busy" in preference of "wrote to IAC after you mock-exploited one of their 'properties' and got hir
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740688 << politruk gotta politruk. speaking of which, anyone got pics of Gabriella Coleman's remarkably ugly tits ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 15:06 asciilifeform: runs... tor.
asciilifeform: whossat
mircea_popescu: male-looking "anthropologist" "with an interest in" "online activism". ((())) ((()))((())) ((())) sets supplied for reader's convenience in separate packaging.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the odd thing re blaze is that , unless there was a completely other matt blaze working for at&t -- he's the d00d with the only published attempt at a provably hard symmetric cipher , in 1990s
asciilifeform: ( we did the proof here, it did not withstand the harsh lamps )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg remora. nothing any ... wtf was that schmucks name...
mircea_popescu: brb
mircea_popescu: right so : usg remora. nothing any http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#selection-413.0-419.38 / http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ "publishes" may be credited to them.
mircea_popescu: that nsa chose to publish some derpage through usg.nsa.x-shithead or through usg.nsa.y-shithead is not a meaningful point of difference.
mircea_popescu: in no case may such be used to establish any kind of professional credentials for the designated x, y, etceteras.
asciilifeform: 'shakespeare or other man by same name' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: connivance in usgtardation renders professional merit ~impossible~ and that's the final word on that matter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.
mircea_popescu: and so, to get back to it, and in the words of the great nigger Hussein Bahamas, "if you did a thing you didn't do that thing". therefore matt blaze neither was touched nor could have been touched by anyone, be they john drapper or anyone else ; nor has matt blaze had published anything of any note, re ciphers or cooking or anything else.
asciilifeform rereads the rsakeys trilema. stimulating.
asciilifeform: i nearly forgot the item with the diff trick.
mircea_popescu: good to have a blog, i routinely forget shit i did, then i end up confronted with it and im like... hey. pretty cool!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740838 << i dunno, what explaining'd be there ? "they offered a job and i... took it". pretty sure his previous spot sucked arse, guy was getting stress blisters. family man, gotta provide, what.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 00:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740818 << d00d has some explainin' to do, if he ever reappears
asciilifeform: i guess.
asciilifeform: it is possible to work in the saeculum without having one's face plastered on a sad sack of sad rogue's gallery tho
mircea_popescu: venetian kid had clear "go east, m'boy, sail east. till you've made your gold coin chest you've no business LIVING in venice. you're born and you return here, that's all."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and that helps anything ? i'd rather marry the whore the brothel uses to advertise than a different, "secret" one.
mircea_popescu: at least she's good at it.
asciilifeform: not all brothel created equal tho
mircea_popescu: iac shack seems among the benign-est.
asciilifeform: i suppose compared to, say, microshit -- yes
asciilifeform: ( iirc d00d at one time toiled in the mines at microshit itself )
mircea_popescu: compared to what -- no ?
mircea_popescu: i remember that, cuz i was liek "burn down all ms employees" and he was like "shit, i'm in trouble"
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: yea that was when i learned it
mircea_popescu: anyway, srsly, married guy with small kids. gotta bring home some kind of bacon. he tried to put that idea into work, with you recall, betting something. imo did a great run of it, too. but it didn't catch. so he tried something else and that caught better.
asciilifeform: right. depressing.
mircea_popescu: what complaint can there be had ? "starve to the light" is for teens, small children have no useful fat reserves.
asciilifeform: ( was interesting episode, the 'war of life' thing, where the entirely unrelated d00d went apeshit over its closing )
mircea_popescu: i don't recall that part ?
asciilifeform: !#seen ThickAsThieves
a111: 2014-11-03 <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
mircea_popescu: but yes, was kinda sad it went nowhere, he certainly made a something out of nothing.
asciilifeform: ^ him
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought that was re me de-backing altcoin once it become obvious can't work
mircea_popescu: (admittedly, it became obvious to me faster than "to most people" or w/e)
asciilifeform: iirc it was from WoL flame on trilema
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: in comments under the closing statement, iirc
mircea_popescu: well, archeologists of the future are welcome to resolve this, i ain't digging.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/waroflife-swol-october-2014-statement-closing/ << subj
mircea_popescu: yes but rarely will a us born esl fellow wriote his angst under the correct piece.
mircea_popescu: gotta disawov and shit.
asciilifeform: i was stuck on a plane with that d00d, pretty far gone case
mircea_popescu: was he the one dedicated to the service of some woman ?
asciilifeform: ( even at the time, was obvious sufferer )
asciilifeform: aha him
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with slavebois.
asciilifeform: was far from his home element, if a slave.
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting briefly back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740875 : the importance of big boobs in women is exactly this : if you make the decision to forced march through desert, the offspring of A-cup camp followers will die ; DD and so forth will survive -- female body will melt the tit into nothing before letting kid starve, whole process driven by that one true whip of the female psyche, the child-dying-of-hunger
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 00:43 mircea_popescu: what complaint can there be had ? "starve to the light" is for teens, small children have no useful fat reserves.
mircea_popescu: -cry. it's an item, even if "everybody" meanwhile "forgot".
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, having a harem of galon-boobed females is the ~only sort-of get-out-of-jail-card for http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/ problem,
mircea_popescu: specifically the "Si daca tot m-am enervat, sa facem si o regula : cine se casatoreste nu mai are dreptul sa fie dizident. Dizidenta e pentru barbati, nu pentru pulalai inscrisi in registru' reproductiv al neamului. Odata ce te-ai casatorit cu una ai terminat-o cu pretentiile si nemultumirile apropo de "orinduirea sociala". Nu mai ai ce sa comentezi, te inscrii acolo in ordine asa cum este ea si iti vezi de sters cacatu' de p
mircea_popescu: e bec sau de pe unde mai ajunge el intr-o gospodarie normala cu copii mici." bit.
asciilifeform: too many forced marches like this and you end up with africa-style 'instant balloon' genotype
asciilifeform: so has down side.
mircea_popescu: hey. don't make the call unless it's warranted.
mircea_popescu: there is unlimited responsibility bundled with unlimited power.
asciilifeform: oh hah i can finally read that.
mircea_popescu: (whole thing is entirely symbolic by now, obviously. but at one point ...)
asciilifeform: ( re the 2012 piece )
mircea_popescu: lemme know if problem.
asciilifeform: btw, for my fellow rotakus ( shinohai , pete_dushenski , ben_vulpes .. ? ) grep -i '^foobar' ro_eng_ascii.txt finds word foobar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you gonna vpatch the new dict on the old btw ? or what's next step here ?
asciilifeform: which new
mircea_popescu: sql item linked today
asciilifeform: that's separate item tho. it's a толковый словарь
mircea_popescu: so is your original, has word, definition, english equiv.
asciilifeform: prolly oughta turn into plain txt and genesisate tho.
mircea_popescu: can readily replacve the middle column
shinohai: Would be greatly appreciated to have plaintext item, asciilifeform .... I also prefer to simply grep word I am looking for whilst studying.
mircea_popescu: the correct transform imo would be from your (word/dubious expl/engl equiv) into (word/proposed english equiv/ipa notation/proper dex expl). this can be done mechanically on the basis of the two items.
asciilifeform: waitasec how to mechanize the ipa ?
mircea_popescu: look at it, it's always separated in the definition, at beginning
asciilifeform: aa hmm.
mircea_popescu: you could ALSO add the etymology notation as separate field, but can also leave it as is (part of the expl)
mircea_popescu: now, i would much appreciate if you took the current bs and ipa'd it properly (it's not THAT hard, ro ipa set is narrow and unambiguous)
mircea_popescu: but with those changes you not only have only ro dict online, but you also have best ro dict ever made in 3k years of ro history.
asciilifeform: the one i genesised ? it's been de-orced, so to ipaize gotta be re-orced
mircea_popescu: making you a major cultural player, in the vein of dead people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz no ascii-ipa hm ?
asciilifeform: this also. but i was speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740588
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 02:00 asciilifeform: caveat x2 : no îțâșă . but it was missing in the original, i did not remove it. ascii-only, in the derp's original, e.g. 'uşă' turns into 'usa'.
mircea_popescu: wut do we do.
asciilifeform: The Trooo Ultimate Ro Dict prolly oughta be a sexpr
asciilifeform: with (yes) orcographic word, inflections, ipaism, dexism.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: lol randomly perusing we find "a da muie la statuie" (to fuck statue face), ie superlative dissidence.
asciilifeform: it is truly mind-boggling, this item was possible already around 1995 or so. and yet afaik exists for no language.
mircea_popescu: ikr.
asciilifeform: nao, a language, granted, is moar than merely its dictionary. but innit a crying shame, that we're still stuck with shit dictionaries.
mircea_popescu: very much so.
mircea_popescu: this would be (as per tradition / discussion yest etc) actually a very powerful item ~for the student of english~, too. even if he only spake english.
asciilifeform: verily.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, for some reason i thought dex included a pronounciation guide, but it seems mostly absent/unreliable.
mircea_popescu: so i guess we can skip the ipa bit for now
asciilifeform: i'd settle for getting the orcograms back in 'ro_eng'
mircea_popescu: pretty sure my item is 100% diacritic-ized.
asciilifeform: ( would put'em as a middle column, rather than in place of the existing )
asciilifeform: dex ? yea it is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can even put them as aside binary blob, as discussed re fg/bootturds etc. "you wanrt to see the orcograms, find item #x in list"
asciilifeform: well in sexpr they'd end up named, things like #\Alef
asciilifeform: rather than binturds
mircea_popescu: this would be a good thing in the eye of the lord.
asciilifeform: ( the lisp folx, fwiw, largely finessed the orcogram problem before utf8 climbed down from the trees )
mircea_popescu: anyway, to leave the pressure off : im still willing to go through it by line and improve as time permits, but there's no rush, so let's first make an optimal basis and see.
asciilifeform: long term thing. nobody yet baked a dictionary in a day, lol
mircea_popescu: ro guy spent life trying to bake dict
mircea_popescu: !~google b p hasdeu
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bogdan Petriceicu Hasdeu - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_Petriceicu_Hasdeu>; Bogdan Petriceicu Hasdeu National College - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_Petriceicu_Hasdeu_National_College>; Bogdan Petriceicu Hasdeu - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_Petriceicu_Hasdeu>
mircea_popescu: let's also see if phf wants to add nething.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as an aside : the "limba romana este singura limba care se scrie cum se citeste" ro linguistics dogmatics promises there's a workable ro-ipaize-tron somewhere. at least in the sense of "we could get 99% success rate". it IS a point of fact that ~any romanian speaker can correctly notate new words on the basis of sound, and this is PRECISELY the sort of artificial intelligence that's amenable to numeric methods.
mircea_popescu: so notbad ai side project imo
mircea_popescu: in the sense that the resulting code would be in itself an interesting knowledge pile.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to eg alphabet co go-playing code.
asciilifeform: dunno if 'se scrie cum se citeste' claim of ro is any moar troo than the ru 'как слышится так и пишется' truism
mircea_popescu: i suspect it is. no proof until code written of course.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's try this. make up a girl's name and i'll tell you how it sounds in romanian. then diana_coman spyked alex_c whosoever else can confirm or infirm.
mircea_popescu: (point being -- UNKNOWN romanian words stll have a strict phonetic / alphabetic correspondence in romanian. somehow. how ?)
asciilifeform: unknown words get the regular algo and that's that, they're never the problem
asciilifeform: the problem is typically common-use irregulars
mircea_popescu: i can't think of one ; except for imports (see eg http://trilema.com/2010/care-sunt-iq-tau/#comment-123116 margot, read in ro in the french manner).
mircea_popescu: stands out like sore thumb for it too, wtf is that o.
asciilifeform: see in ru we dun have this problem , it gets fixed 'automagically', e.g. Марго
asciilifeform: ( you can't write the loaned name in orc directly, so it gets properly phonized )
mircea_popescu: yes well.
mircea_popescu: but incidentally -- same treatment could be applied to ru-eng item, resulting in a megabridge here.
asciilifeform: ( nobody in ru has a problem knowing how to say e.g. Чаушеску . it's a nearly magical fix. )
mircea_popescu: how about hors d'oeuvres ?
asciilifeform: ipatronic ru dict is just about trivial.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: закуски!!1111
mircea_popescu: (is hysterical bit re this in classical ro comedy film, "monsieur se scrie, monsieur se citeste, ci tat umbli cu cioara vapsita!")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahahyah win
mircea_popescu: anywauy, i didn't mean "same treatment" in the sense of ipaization, i meant same treatment in the sense of translaty/explainy flatfile.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: then you can ACTUALLY translate, for once.
mircea_popescu: got a gateway to latin and a gateway to the east, and the idiotic lingua franca of stupid people as the archimede screw for it all.
asciilifeform: there's a whole bunch of'em on www. asciilifeform has not formally collected, compared, yet.
asciilifeform: e.g. http://www.lib.ru/DIC/OZHEGOW/ozhegow_p_r.txt
mircea_popescu: this looks like proper item.
asciilifeform: prolly the best known one.
asciilifeform: 19th c
asciilifeform: or hm
asciilifeform: strike that, 1949.
asciilifeform: ( still in print. )
mircea_popescu: "ПАТЕНТ, -а, м. 1. Документ, свидетельствующий о праве изобретателя на его изобретение, о его приоритете. Получить п. на изобретение. 2. Свидетельство на право занятия торговлей, промыслом. || прил. патентный, -ая, -ое. Патентное прав
mircea_popescu: о."
mircea_popescu: i like this.
mircea_popescu: somehow a dictionary entry is the best way to distinguish men from idiots.
asciilifeform: the english one, afaik, is 19th c, at least most recent as exists on www >> https://ia800500.us.archive.org/15/items/webstersunabridg29765gut/29765-8.txt << for completeness.
mircea_popescu: ynot bridged together ?
mircea_popescu is noticing how this "how come nothing was done before republic got to it" point is fading out of discourse. trite!
asciilifeform: 'tis trooo tho
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: no reason these should not all exist as 1 hyper-whatevertron.
mircea_popescu: right ? such items are useful if properly featured
asciilifeform: it was promised to me in 1995!11111
asciilifeform: 'html will give world dictionary...'
mircea_popescu: which doesn't mean creeping featuritis, but ALSO does not mean "here's half of koschei's heart in lib.ru domain and other half buried way across buyan, in us.archive.org"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr ? the previous set of globalists, with the tripod sites etc, promised lots of jules verne crap, went away like nothing.
asciilifeform: nao there is some devil in the details, namely what to do with linkages that aren't straight equivalence, b/w word-in-a and word-in-b
mircea_popescu: wind of change my ass ; eat more fucking fiber fuckers!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform always a problem of translaty dict, as discussed. no way out of this, translaty dict is perl.
mircea_popescu: but if explainy part provided, some perl on the side is no longer brain rotting.
mircea_popescu: rather -- no longer guaranteed to give brain damage.
mircea_popescu: ("but mp, wtf is explainy, not an english word" "fuck you.")
mircea_popescu: im not saying explainatory, esp because wtf is translatatory then.
asciilifeform: i find it interesting, entomologically, what the anglotards did with the idea of dictionary. they turned instrument ~for learning language~ into one ~for avoiding learning language~ -- the result is google's 'translate'
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: much like they managed to turn banking system from system for achieving wealth to system for avoiding wealth.
mircea_popescu: it's the anglocurse.
asciilifeform: to make the one instrument of enstupefaction, they used enuff sweat to make ten of actual learning
asciilifeform: that's the surreal bit
mircea_popescu: myeah
asciilifeform: back to the baseline item ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740660 ) -- if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , spyked , ... ( who else we have ? ) would like to submit corrections/additions/subtractions -- plox to vpatch
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 14:42 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740653 >> neato! >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_genesis.vpatch + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig .
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/#comment-83174 << item from ancient trilema "how about if there was some chick that got implanted ovules from right-to-life xtian women only and strictly to abort them 10 weeks in as a trolling thing"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so are we deciding that is to be the base item and not gonna dump new dex into it ?
asciilifeform: i dun see it as a blocking operation
asciilifeform: can extend the primitive dict for nao, then merge laters.
mircea_popescu: it's blocking in my head cuz im not gonna edit items by hand if they're gonna be updated by machine.
mircea_popescu: general principle, handwork lastwork.
asciilifeform: the machine would still do the Right Thing later, when merging into the larger dex
asciilifeform: but i'd be curious to hear what various folx ( phf , say ) have to say re optimal data structure for dicts.
asciilifeform brb,meat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can't do the right thing if i changed the explanation.
mircea_popescu: whole idea now is "can safely replace explanation from 1 with item from 2". if we break this re 1 wtf do we do, you write AI to discern between dex-powered and mp-powered explanations of words ?
mircea_popescu: and in other blondies, http://78.media.tumblr.com/f40c5631c395c433fb12e82d0cc00a28/tumblr_nll1clsuEJ1rszn81o1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, srsly, married guy with small kids. gotta bring home some kind of bacon. he tried to put that idea into work, with you recall, betting something. imo did a great run of it, too. but it didn't catch. so he tried something else and that caught better. << AHA, does not have young unmarried unchilded option of hardware store to contribute minmally to USGism on principle
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it was promised to me in 1995!11111 << HYPERCARD!!!
BingoBoingo: Arrival in Montevideo arranged for Dec 6th, at same time as departing prior day.
BingoBoingo: !!up zod_
deedbot: zod_ voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Sup zod_
zod_: what do y'all think of http://upspin.io/ ?
zod_: BingoBoingo not much
zod_: just reading https://moronlab.blogspot.ca/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html
zod_: i mean https://moronlab.blogspot.ca/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532
BingoBoingo: zod_ Let's get to know each other first? Who is your daddy and what does he do?
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740911 << nifty! cheers
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 00:56 asciilifeform: btw, for my fellow rotakus ( shinohai , pete_dushenski , ben_vulpes .. ? ) grep -i '^foobar' ro_eng_ascii.txt finds word foobar.
zod_: BingoBoingo my dad lives in new york and drives a taxi. and my mom hopes he's gonna die soon.
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SN7sLORnYQ
zod_: BingoBoingo https://youtu.be/-ahtp0sjA5U
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740754 << am i the only one who can't read "dex" without thinking "dexedrine" ? phf ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 19:19 mircea_popescu: an antique and therefore reliable copy of the dex (dictionar explicativ al limbii romane). 80 mb's worth.
shinohai: Take a handful, write entire Romanian dictionary by hand in 2 nights.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I am pretty sure most of us thing "levo"
pete_dushenski: shinohai: lol
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: oh ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know, different rotations
BingoBoingo: Thinking dexedrine is the only dex isomered thing is racis
BingoBoingo: many things can be dex rotary
pete_dushenski: aha you sneaky chemist you. making me recall my organic chem from uni! i actually really enjoyed that class. it was one of my better marks in first year. b!
pete_dushenski wasn't a steller uni student. played too much poker.
BingoBoingo was above average uni student, chemically insulated from ambient retardation
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728845 << update on Madonna of the Yarnwinder auction... sold for ~only~ $450mn.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-25 18:02 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski considering the current bezzle pressure / overwhelming inflation and the very personal-brand-oriented populace, it will probably be 1bn just to be able to say 1bn.
pete_dushenski: "At some level, the $450 million number is so big as to be meaningless. If I told you that the painting was bought for 60,000 bitcoins, would that make it easier to stomach?" << lulzomatic commentary on said auction from felix salmon https://tinyletter.com/felixsalmon/letters/nota-bene-10
pete_dushenski: sorry, painting was Salvator Mundi, not Madonna...
pete_dushenski: "Maybe the $450 million is just a function of how rich the world's richest people have become. The price needed to be that high, just for them to notice the money." << salmon is right here at least. stacks of gov-backed paper just don't feel like all that much these days.
asciilifeform: 'rare art' is simply low-tech pre-bitcoin btc for lizards
asciilifeform: inflation-proof money bag.
pete_dushenski: much prettier than btc too but that mostly depends on how much you're turned on by p2p network mechanics
asciilifeform: often enuff ugly as used toiletpaper.
asciilifeform: important bit is that it be authenticable.
pete_dushenski: aha. "modern art" is often just so soiled as to be rightfully confused for tp.
pete_dushenski: and then there are those who take it too literally http://neemic.asia/image/data/blog_images/wang%20lei0%20copy.jpg
pete_dushenski: via http://neemic.asia/Wang-Lei%27s-Toilet-Paper-Fashion
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7930.01, vol: 8686.66837267 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7985.0, vol: 40829.7866509 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7945.1, vol: 2819.53208687 | Volume-weighted last average: 7973.72326182

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