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deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/ << Qntra - Antifa Terrorists And Pantsuit Local Government Shut Down Conservative Rally – Fatalities Reported
BingoBoingo: "remember when a black supremacist sniper killed 5 cops last year and nobody demanded the president condemn 'black supremacist violence' and then the president went on to condemn the police for being racist?"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697290 << interesting... friends... phf has
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:25 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696459 << heh, funny you bring nemtsov up, because he was friend of family. pantsuit is spot on, guy was brought from novgorod on usg money.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697299 << if i were keeping seekrits for a mega-quisling, i at least wouldn't advertise, lol
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:31 phf: heh, i really want to chat this subject up, but that's something that i probably shouldn't be talking about. i've no idea what's public and what's private.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697295 << our top quisling was also 'physicist' -- saharov
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:30 mircea_popescu: ro had a very identical equivalent. amusingly, also physicist.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697308 << simple pill : run no sbcl made post-2011...
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:40 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697030 << there are ways to silence almost all the "helpful" style warnings, but i couldn't figure out how to fight this one, short of disabling the locks.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/obamacare-comes-to-india/ << Qntra - Obamacare Comes To India
phf: asciilifeform: nah, there certainly aren't secrets (that i know). i don't know what's been written on the subject, but clearly everything's obvious to dedicated observers. my point is that some things are purview of journalists and historians.
phf: this sbcl behavior seems old, i have it at least since 1.0.29.11 which is 2009 or so
phf: so are style-warnings, e.g. in same version "STYLE-WARNING: using deprecated EVAL-WHEN situation names EVAL LOAD COMPILE"
phf: so this possibly invalidates my original thesis of "wreckers in sbcl!11" i just haven't spent as much time there as i have under other implementations
asciilifeform: phf: all of open sores is crawling with cockroaches, i'd be quite surprised if sbcl turned out to be inexplicably clean even now
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the circus, https://archive.is/t14Cy << 'extremism detector ai'
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 3964.96, vol: 19547.44271563 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 3977.0, vol: 57074.52661655 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 11.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3988.158501, vol: 31349.17320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 3997.0, vol: 13092.4309725 | Volume-weighted last average: 3980.10834365
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32A131077E104A996AB66710084BE5E94FBA0120C419D5476A5C9090952EC257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1460...8033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.113.134 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.113.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32A131077E104A996AB66710084BE5E94FBA0120C419D5476A5C9090952EC257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1680...8023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.189.113.134 (ssh-rsa key from 91.189.113.134 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697368 << eh they've been trying to come up with something to prop up the "market cap" of alphabet for a decade now, ever since it became completely obvious "advertising" is a lol.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 13:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the circus, https://archive.is/t14Cy << 'extremism detector ai'
mircea_popescu: this is more of the same "but we got ai" crap.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-world-has-changed/ << Trilema - The world has changed
mod6: hola
mod6: could it be?
mircea_popescu: got teh keys mike_c ?
mod6: deedbot might have added the second '!' since then.
mod6: mike_c: it's now ``!!up'' and ``!!v <OTP>''
mike_c: hey, look at that
mircea_popescu: hey, welcome back!
mike_c: ty
mod6: hey!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458351 << imagine, 18 months of logs to catch up with. poor guy.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 03:01 mike_c: at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
mod6: how ya been mike_c ?
mike_c: I have been pretty good, certainly keeping myself busy.
mike_c: although probably with the wrong things.
mod6: haha, werd.
mike_c: i'm trying to buy myself some goats, I heard this was the right place.
mircea_popescu: wow, seriously, what have you been doing for all teh time!
mike_c: 18 months? Mostly work (couple jobs since then) and child raising.
mike_c: both of which are going reasonably well
mircea_popescu: but not even say hi or anything ? we were figuring 50-50 you got liek, shot by men in black or something.
mike_c: i know, right. It's frustrating prioritizing time. Didn't have time to hang, definitely not to work, so felt weird dropping in once a month and saying "hey, haven't done anything, don't have time to do anything"
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: well, glad to hear you didn't get shot after all!
mike_c: me too. and vice versa.
mod6: yah, srsly.
mod6: i've been optimistic though; know you've been busy. don't hesitate to drop us a line tho!
mod6: you're were starting to enter vrag territory.
mod6: heheheh
mircea_popescu: mike_c did you mean fuckgoats ?
mike_c: indeed. I was excited to see that launch. nice work ascii!
mike_c: i'm working my way through the shop now.
mircea_popescu: usually ships in a day or two.
mircea_popescu: and yeah they're pretty cool tbh.
mike_c: I'm sure.
mike_c: I've got to catch up on the client release notes too, see what mod6 has been up to.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of new shit, actually. heck, it's unthinkable, but i guess 90% of the republican stuff was made in the past 18 months. i have nfi how this works, somehow the feeling is that "nothing changed" right, it was the same thing then too, no ? yes, and yet... there's v and there's a whole new pile of bots and on it goes.
mike_c: v I was around for. at least the beginnings.
hanbot: oh hey, mike_c! howdy!
mircea_popescu: mike_c but look at the new v-based trb build
mircea_popescu: with musl! and so on.
mike_c: hello!
mike_c: I will definitely check that out.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mike_c but look at the new v-based trb build << yah, if you're interested in standing up a node, we'll talk ya through it.
mircea_popescu: and trinque was about to release a payments thing for deedbot by ... end of july yo! and then there's the ffa growing towards a proper tmsr-rsa, and of course the gossipd sandbox, and a coupla yet sikrit items and so on
mircea_popescu: and you gotta learn ada now, and
mircea_popescu: hm... should i lower the pay-for-tits moar ? i mean 2 bitcents is nigh on a hundred bux by now wtf.
mike_c: stfu, seriously? I managed to avoid that a decade ago.
mike_c: ada for the tmsr-rsa?
mircea_popescu: mike_c it was decided lisp is not really exotic enough anymore, we had to move.
mircea_popescu: mike_c basically, yeah.
mod6: it's pretty amazing, really.
mod6: i've had to learn ada just to keep up & read the thing. help test where I can.
mod6: it's actually not too bad.. just uber strict.
mod6: i think, for the most part, it took me like ~8-12 weeks to get the hang of it.
mike_c: Yeah, that was my impression. It is certainly not a bad choice for crypto
mircea_popescu: oh, and the mpfhf!
mike_c: lol. more acronyms.
mircea_popescu: wanna race peterl to building a reverser ?
mod6: ah yah, Mr. P. created his own hash function
mike_c: ok, yeah, I read that one.
mircea_popescu: aha, and ppl made lisp, go & python impls.
mod6: is there a trilema post on UCI?
mircea_popescu: and now the idea is... since this could ALSO be used as a padder (in the rsa sense), a reverser is needed (takes r and s and spits out m)
mircea_popescu: mod6 pretty sure he recalls that as theory.
mike_c: UCI?
mod6: Unified Computing Interface
mod6: It's an ongoing project. The tickets are above, kinda outlines the idea ^
mircea_popescu: mod6 i suspect that's log-only to date.
mike_c: ah, as theory, yes.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, ok. couldn't recall.
mike_c: stan's theory for a mesh networked internet at least, I don't remember him proposing it for computing
mircea_popescu: prolly something like http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amirc+UCI best entry point. hey ben_vulpes why is http://logs.bvulpes.com/search?q=UCI&c=trilema only find 15 items ?!
mircea_popescu: mike_c you'll have fun reading those then :p
mircea_popescu: mod6 you prolly have a point there, i should write since it keeps coming up when trying to get intelligent people up to speed.
mircea_popescu: now if only i knew what the fuck i want with it to any meaningful degree...
mod6: haha, no sweat.
mod6: mike_c: i had quite a bit of fun testing those FGs; worked pretty great for me.
mod6: all my test results and stuff are posted
mike_c: I'm looking forward to being able to generate a key that I can actually trust.
mircea_popescu: entropy only half the issue there.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile gpg was pretty much thrown in the prb pile.
mike_c: yes, a necessary but not sufficient part
mike_c: yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap?
mod6: there was a bug that was discovered like a year ago
mod6: in gnupg
mircea_popescu: mike_c pretty m,uch yeah.
mircea_popescu: dja feel well firehosed yet ? :D
mike_c: yeah, I want to dig up some logs on the rsa stuff.
mike_c: mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ?
lobbesbot: !!up lobbes
deedbot: lobbes voiced for 30 minutes.
lobbes: oh hey, wb mike_c
lobbes: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/08/antifa-terrorists-and-pantsuit-local-government-shut-down-conservative-rally-fatalities-reported/ << "On the morning of the event Charlotte police" << s/Charlotte/Charlottesville
jhvh1: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: hello!
mod6: <+mike_c> mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ? << that /should/ be all you need to know. less steps in the on-line version, but use which ever you need.
mod6: feel free to ask any questions.
mike_c: ok, I'll take a crack at it.
mod6: cool, let us know how it goes. :]
asciilifeform: wb mike_c !!
asciilifeform: back to the living!
mike_c: hi ascii! yes.
mike_c: congrats on FG
asciilifeform: ty mike_c
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697465 << correct. is how i ended up working on a replacement for pgp
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 20:58 mike_c: yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap?
mike_c: yeah, mp mentioned that. I'm going to scour some logs for more info on it.
asciilifeform: 'p' is very different flavour from the old heathenry , however. think 'forth with bignums' approx.
mike_c: oh, it's called "p"? that will make log-scouring so easy!
asciilifeform: the saving grace is that almost whole point of p is for it to be readable/self-contained
BingoBoingo: ty lobbes
mod6: bbs; chores
asciilifeform: so in the end it will not be strictly necessary to eat every gram of log that added up to it, to properly grasp
mike_c: that's good to hear
asciilifeform: i've been pushing folx to return to a 'dijkstaraist' concept of program, as something primarily to be ~read~, and only secondarily as something to execute on comp
asciilifeform: *dijkstraist
asciilifeform: mike_c: currently we have ~90% of a nonbranching ( no timing leak ) , provably correct arithmetron
asciilifeform: about 1kloc
mike_c: is it findable from http://thebitcoin.foundation/ somewhere?
asciilifeform: mike_c: not as such. no vrelease yet - pastes in logs
mike_c: ah, k
asciilifeform: mod6: though there is the factorial demo
asciilifeform: comes with makefile etc
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:11 asciilifeform: for anyone not tuned in : ^ computes factorial of 65536.
asciilifeform: this is a somewhat obsolete version but illustrative
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4100.39, vol: 16182.26302636 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4115.7, vol: 47466.68850985 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4109.738, vol: 28033.96960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4100.0, vol: 11571.1615322 | Volume-weighted last average: 4109.92244434
asciilifeform: mike_c: i also have adatronic bitcoin formats ( block, tx, message, indices ) encoder/decoder; and mmaptronic db . but this is not yet primetime product
asciilifeform: also interesting to mike_c will be the 'trbi' threads..
mike_c: what's the intended purpose for the bitcoin pieces? you going to port the client to ada?
asciilifeform: port may be wrong word
asciilifeform: and 'to ada' also wrong word, (ultra fascist subset of) ada is simply what remained on the table after we went methodically through all reqs for a sane programming (for existing iron) system
mike_c: so.. first a compiler for this subset?
mike_c: I've got reading to do.
asciilifeform: standard gnat worx
asciilifeform: in all likelihood you already have a copy.
asciilifeform: ( it's in the gcc lang set, right next to f77 )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, bitcoin doubled once mp defeated our dumb shit ? THIS ONLY GOES TO PROVE OUR DUMB SHIT IS INDEFEATABLE!!11"
shinohai: Heya mike_c .... wb!
mike_c: thanks!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ? << Well, they soft forked segwit. Their new hill is TWO mb blocks
BingoBoingo: They set themselves up the segwit bomb. Now it's 2x that Sillybert wants to shill.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694432B << does this render the question of whether T leaked user 1's otp to user N moot? if so I'm not seeing it yet.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
trinque: how the fuck did a B get in there, lol
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
mircea_popescu: funny thing that it ate it anyway.
mircea_popescu: trinque there's no way to prove owner of secret S did not share secret S with someone else. that's why "key sharing" dun work for rsa/bitcoin/etc.
mircea_popescu: the ~only approach is to come up with secret parts, but this is contrary to design goals in context.
mircea_popescu: accidental re-use of otps would however become obvious to L the moment he sees two hash(C)s equal. he can complain even before the user responds to the otppad.
mircea_popescu: but outside of this, "has T told X about Y's otp" is very much a "you wouldn't download a car" type of problem.
mod6: back
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
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