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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/103AEC2DB4E666A22A935CB0705A2DFBC2D21E4ECB7C5285FD512FADFE3E5DC2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1429...4943 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.152 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.152 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (5626.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/103AEC2DB4E666A22A935CB0705A2DFBC2D21E4ECB7C5285FD512FADFE3E5DC2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1474...5849 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.64.152 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.64.152 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (5626.ovz-ssd8.hc.ru. RU)
asciilifeform: in other crippleware lulz, https://archive.is/Ga295 >> 'Tesla used to offer the option to buy a Model S or Model X with a 75 kWh battery pack software-locked at a capacity of 60 kWh. The option would result in a less expensive vehicle with a shorter range, but the option to pay to remotely enable the longer range at a later stage. ... Tesla had temporarily unlocked the remaining 15 kWh of the car’s software-limited battery pack opt
asciilifeform: ion to facilitate the owner’s evacuation. ... the company has put in place the emergency measure to temporarily extend the range of the vehicles of Tesla owners in the path of Hurricane Irma. ... a Tesla owner in a mandatory evacuation zone required another ~30 more miles of range to optimize his evacuation route in the traffic and they reached out to Tesla who agreed to a temporary access to the full 75 kWh of energy in the batter
asciilifeform: y pack, an upgrade that has cost between $4,500 and $9,000 depending on the model and time of upgrade.'
shinohai: Such shitware
asciilifeform: hey if microshit can, why not everybody.
asciilifeform: sell sofa with spikes, retract spikes for $1/hr
shinohai: This reminds me of the tractor thread.
asciilifeform: ( and offload cost of chasing and arresting 'dmca violator' folx who offer to saw spikes off, to the great inca, naturally )
asciilifeform: shinohai: possibly because it is exactly the tractor thread. all intellectualpropertytardisms are ~exactly same, under the surface.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-11 14:08 asciilifeform: sell sofa with spikes, retract spikes for $1/hr
asciilifeform: phf: was in the l0gz iirc
shinohai: !~bible Ecclesiastes 1:9
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] Ecclesiastes 1:9 :: The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
asciilifeform: !!up fromloper
deedbot: fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: fromloper: hello ?
fromloper: good day!
asciilifeform: fromloper: who might you be ?
shinohai: Greets
fromloper: Bitcoin hodler; bcash dumper
fromloper: I could use some advice wrt the latter: do I need to spend my BTC to new addresses, before bumping my crash?
fromloper: *bcrash
asciilifeform: fromloper: depends with what you do the dumping
asciilifeform: fromloper: if entirely on your own iron, and with proggy that you audited -- then theoretically no
fromloper: I want to sent my bcrash to an exchange, and sell it for BTC
asciilifeform: fromloper: it doesn't hurt to move the btc first.
fromloper: interesting - this is using Armory on an offline machine
fromloper: gotcha - the bcrash will still be on the original addresses, even after the BTC has been moved off?
asciilifeform: iirc armory is not a full node, and relies on full nodes belonging to third parties for all of the mechanics
fromloper: yea, it runs off a Core node
fromloper: (I will be running trb soon, though!)
fromloper: just wanna dump this awful shit ASAP
asciilifeform: move the btc using a trb node
asciilifeform: then move the shitcoins to a gox, and sell.
fromloper: gotcha - but it's still safe to send the bcrash to gox before moving the BTC?
asciilifeform: also take note of the fact that a shitcoin node can take more than a week to sync, the thing is quite buggy and slow
shinohai: imo you are completely safe if you move true btc to new addy, then import keyz to bcrash
fromloper: ye, I should be able to jerryrig the whole thing without installing/syncing the bcrash node
asciilifeform: fromloper: again depends WITH WHAT. if you haven't audited the thing you are importing the privkey into, you are best off moving the btc first.
fromloper: it's a little tricky, in that my BTC are stored on Armory paper backups
fromloper: so at the moment, I need to import via that wallet software
asciilifeform: 1) move the btc using trb, to new addr 2) import (now empty on btc chain) privkey into shitcoin node 3) empty the shitcoins into a gox 4) sell
fromloper: Any reason why you're moving the BTC first?
asciilifeform: fromloper: because chances are that you haven't read every line of the proggy that you are about to throw the privkey into
fromloper: that's true!
asciilifeform: if it still holds btc, theoretically boobytrapped shitcoin client can send priv to enemy
shinohai: Leaving yer keyz exposed
fromloper: Thanks a lot, gentlemen
fromloper: after I'm done with this shitfest, will be geting into WoT and tinkering with a FUCKGOATS
shinohai: Nice!
asciilifeform: fromloper: register a key, it doesn't take long
asciilifeform: then i will rate you
fromloper: I've got a key - is there a FAQ?
fromloper: thanks
asciilifeform: Patriot Prayer Movement << lol!!
ben_vulpes: funny things about the bezos post reportolade: only outlet to report on "clashes between left and right" and not "violent leftists attack police"; also completely fail to report that the truck in question was under assault when it got in gear (hence the driver was released)
ben_vulpes: shinohai: dibs
shinohai: dibs?
shinohai: If you mean for a Qntra, well you are the Portland Bureau
fromloper: I'd like to register under a different nick - do I need to re-enter the channel to do so?
shinohai: fromloper: just change with /nick
asciilifeform: fromloper: aha
rothbart: do I upload the public key here? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/
rothbart: and is it the KeyID, or Fingerprint?
shinohai: No, you need to paste the entire public key
asciilifeform: paste the pubkey
asciilifeform: then !!register theresultingurl
ben_vulpes: hm; seems like the rock throwing started after the truck went after some antifa
deedbot: 410951F4EED9132643015A058B46D224AE9E116C registered as rothbart.
asciilifeform: !!rate rothbart 1 new blood
asciilifeform: !!v BA2C756B85B9BB6BEF9748E28C899D691E3D0D3D0A258ED4CD000D3F09C3290F
deedbot: asciilifeform rated rothbart 1 << new blood
asciilifeform: rothbart: you can self-voice now
rothbart: great - do I need to decrypt a message from deedbot to verify?
asciilifeform: correct
rothbart: I got this from deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dwVPT/?raw=true is this the message to decrypt?
asciilifeform: then you privmsg deedbot !!v whatyougotfromthedecrypt
asciilifeform: and it voices you.
rothbart: ok, thanks - I'm gonna redo this on my linux box
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6814796AE3212BD73F5B32E70E118605F34DD740C3B26CB8D0DCC63037A1871 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1272...8187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.109.28.91 (ssh-rsa key from 91.109.28.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (s322.deinprovider.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6814796AE3212BD73F5B32E70E118605F34DD740C3B26CB8D0DCC63037A1871 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1328...6593 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.109.28.91 (ssh-rsa key from 91.109.28.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (s322.deinprovider.de. DE)
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: "An alarming moment came toward the end of the day when a man driving a black Chevrolet truck adorned with American flags and a Confederate flag decal" << AHAm pickup truck flag index!
ben_vulpes: oh shit i forgot about the pickup truck flag index
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: Good morning
ben_vulpes: buenos dias
shinohai: Rico suave
ben_vulpes: (c-c-c-combo breaker!)
mircea_popescu: so in random lulz : later today im meeting this local fellow with whom im going to be making a foundation for the prosecution of the hilary foundation ; and for the unravelling of what atm seems like a scheme to steal thousandsa of children from poor costa rican mothers for sale on the us market.
mircea_popescu: this promises to be one helluva combo breaker.
ben_vulpes: whoa neat
trinque: ah man, glorious.
mircea_popescu: rumor level at the moment ; but a pregnant one
asciilifeform: sale on the us market << lolwat..? organ market ?
trinque: asciilifeform: where'd ya think the pederasts get their fucktoys?
mircea_popescu: no, adoption market.
asciilifeform: trinque: i thought they typically 'ate local'
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: going after the clinton foundation itself?
mircea_popescu: there's been a LARGE "party donation for child adoption" DNC scam running throughout the obama term
mircea_popescu: started during clinton.
mircea_popescu: with the "iron curtain" thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had nfi there were a darkskin kidz adoption demand >0 in usa
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes first, some local schmucks may be actually seeing the inside of jail.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have nfi about many things!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's the racial cuckening in action
ben_vulpes: "i'd rather adopt a brown kid. better for the environment."
ben_vulpes: "plus my precious unfucked cunt will stay that way"
mircea_popescu: he gets it!
asciilifeform: the 'ironcurtain kidz' thing was massive and visible to naked eye, and seekreetly made sense to everybody : they were white
mircea_popescu: but then obama came in and some tards were all liek "oh, brown, same thing"
mircea_popescu: turns out it ain't, and it's gonna sting.
asciilifeform pictures the baby-seller in pelevin's 'SNUFF'
mircea_popescu: nah, was run like typical pantsuit "legal proceedings" scam.
asciilifeform: i.e. like children's crusade ?
mircea_popescu: problem is, costa rica is roman law, not common.
asciilifeform: 'drop moneys in this funnel here, we promise we'll...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get corrupt official to declare mother/conditions unfit / get other corrupt official to ship them over.
asciilifeform: usa ( and certain other shitholes within the reich, e.g. sweden ) run an internally-recirculating version of this
mircea_popescu: but that works in common system, "oh, aversarial proceedings, we judge the case as is". not here. here, all the officials involved get thrown in jale and THEN!!!! the ustards who took the kids, and the ones who facilitated CAN be prosecuted
asciilifeform: where kid is confiscated from 'unfit' untermensch and exported to pantsuit orphanages
mircea_popescu: as in the us it's now illegal to rape in a foreign jurisdiciton
mircea_popescu: dja know that btw ?
asciilifeform: long time nao. and 'rape' means any illicit-per-usg fornication, e.g. just about any fucking in thailand etc
mircea_popescu: aaaaaha.
mircea_popescu: including -- this.
mircea_popescu: antischindler list in the making, if all goes well. but anyway, lettuce not get ahead of selves.
asciilifeform: i dun think the ustard side gives much damn re indictments in bananistan tho
mircea_popescu: o nononono.
asciilifeform: can't picture they would go there
mircea_popescu: indictments in connecticut circuit court
mircea_popescu: for breaking the costa rican law.
mircea_popescu: this is a thing, believe it or not!
asciilifeform: i'd buy a ticket to watch this.
mircea_popescu: well, you can all donate once it's live.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform tested various proggies purporting to extract utxoset. each and every one, shite. e.g. 'bitcoin-abe' works in geological speed, and promises to produce multi-TB sql turd
asciilifeform: ( on which operations will presumably take week+ each )
mircea_popescu: uxto set is large ftr.
asciilifeform: a whole army of folx seem to have worked very hard indeed to make this as painful as possible
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: coupla GB, if represented as naked tx
mircea_popescu: you recall discussion re practical limit on bitcoin splittage from like 2015.
asciilifeform: a 1995 hdd ain't 'large' in my eyes
asciilifeform: but admittedly subjective.
mircea_popescu: > gb item is large yes. 700mb film is normal, 2.1 gb large.
asciilifeform: ftr my internal heuristic is 'if it fits in main ram of my smallest boxes, it ain't large'
asciilifeform: this is a practical consideration, if it sits down in ram, it is practical to arithmetize over.
mircea_popescu: i can see it
asciilifeform historically sweated many times to solve problem which consisted of 'make this unmanageable item manageable, i.e. ram-fitting at reasonable cost'
asciilifeform: for this particular experiment i am only interested in the pubkeys. which i expect will - yes - sit down in the space of a '700mb warez film'...
mircea_popescu: just barely, yes
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i had nfi there were a darkskin kidz adoption demand >0 in usa << Popular in establishment hellholes like Amherst Massachussets. It's the sort fo thing you see in Ladue, Missouri (rich liberal scum), but not really in Town and Country, Missouri (Money from business interests)
asciilifeform: it dun explain why they gotta be imported from bananistan tho -- wat, not enough made locally ?
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the narcissist autist works, do you ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, why must go to seminar on dating advertised on reddit, to find out where womenz are. NEVER STEPPED OUT OF HOUSE ?!?!?!!"
mircea_popescu: you orc you. those don't cunt.
mircea_popescu: what, talk to woman ?!
asciilifeform: i always pictured those as 'learn how to GET RICH FAST' etc scam variant. 'LEARN WHERE EASY GOLD IS'
asciilifeform: 'no panning required, shoots out of the ground'
mircea_popescu: they. literally. with no embelishment of rhetoric whatsoever. CAN. NOT. interact with unknowns. AT ALL. zilp ; zero ; zilch ; nada.
mircea_popescu: you know the joke with the national woman on a deserted island with a bunch of male compatriots ?
mircea_popescu: well, i'll recount it anyway for reocrds.
mircea_popescu: so, frenchwoman : oh, it was fabulous. during the day jean-luc anchored me with his dick up my butt and held me up while pierre fucked me standing ; while at night they switched.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it dun explain why they gotta be imported from bananistan tho -- wat, not enough made locally ? << local are known quantity. Further away allows for greater imagining
mircea_popescu: russian womahn : oh it was terrible. during the night they took turns fucking me and during the day they held soviet committee meetings to infiereze my whorishness.
mircea_popescu: english rose : oh, what a bore. nobody knew anyone who could introduce us so we just walked around the jungle.
mircea_popescu: THAT is what fucking amherst mass tards managed to reconstruct, it's what "average" and "well meaning" white idiot is today.
mircea_popescu: can't simply rape and pillage, MUST have someone else do that and regurgitate the proceeds in their open craws.
mircea_popescu: and, make no mistake, there is no choice and no other consideration in this inability. it is inability, plain and simple. much like the quadriplegic isn't moving his limbs not because "he thinks it better for the environment". fucking can not.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, the opposite i say! locals are unknown ~and unknowable~. imports can be usda certified. donate 100k to dnc, get a GENUINE brown kid. you know it's genuine by the... wait for it... FALSIFYING PAPERWORK ATTENDANT!
mircea_popescu: this is what makes cambridge degree REAL in their eyes : that it's BOTH a) evidently false and b) printed by mit.
mircea_popescu: non-a is "threatening" aka "i don't understand what mp says!!!" ; non-b is "unreal".
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AH, well different parts known an unknowable. Local "has a chance", this is known. He could get mega sportsball bucks, but lacks papers showing doesn't suck and may even be 3/4 white.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, has recourse. not in any practical sense, but imagological, "your place sucks and i hate you".
mircea_popescu: WHAT THEN!!!
BingoBoingo: Well consider 2017 America on 1980's America "Perhaps most horrifying to modern sensibilities is that there is no talk of birth control, condoms, or a realization that a circle jerk would have sufficed."
BingoBoingo: re:Stephen King orgy scene
mircea_popescu: i'm not much of a fan/reader of the blind guy from mass.
BingoBoingo: Eh, he's going through a turn as fad of the day in fake news discussions.
mircea_popescu: i think i actually spent more time with the guy irl than reading his books, amusinglty enough
mircea_popescu: by virture of having dinner once.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, retailers put up Halloween two weeks ago which means last week some studio re-filmed one of his stories.
mircea_popescu: oh right.
mircea_popescu: do they also do what was her name for the february one, what's it called...
BingoBoingo: So now there's all the problematizing about how halfway through the book all the kids fucked to cement a pact or something
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, check me out, i'm like senile over here
mircea_popescu: so : do they also do sandra brown for valentine's day ?
shinohai loves today's classic trilema header .... I mean DAT ASS!
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking cool headers i amassed huh! nice deal.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so : do they also do sandra brown for valentine's day ? << Mebbe?
mircea_popescu: almost like a gosplan.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4191.8, vol: 11460.30700070 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4182.0, vol: 32149.81407597 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 3944.898468, vol: 19232.47570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4213.1, vol: 4400.86329613 | Volume-weighted last average: 4117.89158573
a111: Logged on 2017-09-11 17:37 fromloper: after I'm done with this shitfest, will be geting into WoT and tinkering with a FUCKGOATS
asciilifeform: pretty strange, d00d regged and then... vanished
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-11#1712099 << the disadvantage of being nazi state mouthpiece is you end up the jewish "owner" of der sturmer.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-11 17:40 ben_vulpes: funny things about the bezos post reportolade: only outlet to report on "clashes between left and right" and not "violent leftists attack police"; also completely fail to report that the truck in question was under assault when it got in gear (hence the driver was released)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is to vanish here ?
asciilifeform: was speaking of the fromloper/rothbart one
mircea_popescu: yes. just happen yest
mircea_popescu: * pete_dushenski is now known as Guest66666 >> heh
mircea_popescu: what's residence needed for ? ~nothing made in english since 2001 has any basis in sanity, it's 100% the pantsuit lulz.
mircea_popescu: imaginary women, imaginary relations of power, imagined nonsense.
BingoBoingo: Residence is needed for the "OMG still resident" factor
mircea_popescu: take stephen fry as a fine example. cancerous fag has been doing anti-reality nonsense since the 80s
mircea_popescu: recall that bit where he and laurie "don't understand" how privatization works ?
mircea_popescu: and i mean basic shit, "oh, if you have shares in the crown thaty'll be quite enough". really bitch, i get shit for free at walmart for owning walmart stock, that's what it is ?!
mircea_popescu: "oh, he's funny". no, he's not funny. "but he's so scholarly" right, and if i went to nigeria i'd be so godly.
mircea_popescu: "but he's a close friend of the royals!!!" right.
BingoBoingo: Some people's cocaine is direly deficient in acephate
mircea_popescu: some people are just direly deficient.
BingoBoingo: Google's answer to "Is Acephate Toxic" >> "It is considered non-phytotoxic on many crop plants. Acephate and its primary metabolite, methamidophos, are toxic to Heliothis spp. that are considered resistant to other organophosphate insecticides. Acephate emits toxic fumes of various oxides of phosphorus, nitrogen, and sulfur when heated to decomposition."
BingoBoingo: OMG Google doesn't care about (black) people!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: what's the connection between acephate and black people?
BingoBoingo: Back people work in southern states and love using "Surrender" (TM)(R) granules labeled for outdoor fire and mound control... indoors and generally everywhere.
BingoBoingo: And they'll bring it to their relatives in northern states who will also use that shit indoors
BingoBoingo: And they'll insist "This shit works great on roaches"
BingoBoingo: And then you write off entire classes of residential structure as habitable when enough people have asked to establish a trend...
mircea_popescu prefers geckos
BingoBoingo: But your habitation is clean enough for geckos
mircea_popescu: yest a frog, a pretty tiny tree guy, climed all the way up to the top level terrace thing, 10 meters. was sitting on a (wooden) chair going "sup ?"
BingoBoingo: Sweet, one of those neon colored guys?
mircea_popescu: very shiny green
mircea_popescu: there's also a deep red one, but i've not yet seen it.
BingoBoingo: Awesome
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/09/another-trezor-hardware-wallet-default-flaw-trezord-exe-phones-home/ << Qntra - Another Trezor "Hardware Wallet" Default Flaw: Trezord.exe Phones Home
mircea_popescu: "flaw" eh
asciilifeform: for the LUVV OF gAwD, MONTREZOR!111
mircea_popescu: i like how they add "d" to things know.
mircea_popescu: IT IS MORE SCIENTIFICd!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can haz sores of the noose plz ?
asciilifeform: and can somebody say why the thing even needed driver ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Some post linking to their github
mircea_popescu: what do you mean why it needed a driver! IT IS MORE SERIOUS BUSINESS WITH DRIVER!
asciilifeform: recall the catv folx or who was it.
mircea_popescu: dis alf, he dun understand anythings.
asciilifeform: pretty great.
BingoBoingo: Updated, this is in all their versions
mircea_popescu: im sure it was an accident that didn't happen and doesn't mean anything.
mircea_popescu: CERTAINLY not anything like "hey, they told you this in 2014"
BingoBoingo: But 2014 is like the 1960's of Bitcoin. Ancient history!!!
a111: Logged on 2014-08-29 19:26 asciilifeform: from the published circuit, it seems to be asking for it.
a111: Logged on 2015-09-22 03:01 asciilifeform: speaking of, last i checked, 'trezor' was still reflashable from the usb jack.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-27 16:07 jurov: https://jochen-hoenicke.de/trezor-power-analysis/ as predicted by alf
asciilifeform: but, interestingly, a seemingly indestructible lulzcow
asciilifeform: ( from lack of alternatives ? from gavin endorsements ? wai? )
mircea_popescu: yes. because they just want the facts see
mircea_popescu: THEY WILL MAKE OWN DECISIONS
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from lack of information ; or a thing to process it with.
mircea_popescu: why did the gringo tards sit with me at casino table, not notice THEY are losing ?
asciilifeform: i would ask 'what's to keep some unrelated d00d from making walletrons that simply talk over rs232..' but then remembered that it is probably same thing that keeps'em from making rng where ditto despite how OMFG WE PUBLISHED DESIGN
mircea_popescu: they cnat raed
asciilifeform: cnat read just fine when it's gavin talkin'
mircea_popescu: besides, st. clinton promised them they won't have to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope. just, when gavin's talking it's impossible to tyell if they read or underlined.
mircea_popescu: whole definition of being a gavin is above. "speak so nobody can tell if the "audience" listens or not"\
mircea_popescu: life experience based degrees too!
asciilifeform: hey dontcha lust to buy gadget for producing signatures so you can THEN THROW THEM AWAY lol
asciilifeform: oh hey and built-in support for ethertardium, 1000+loc's worth
mircea_popescu: locs are free!!1
BingoBoingo: "University relationships sometimes never last longer than university, but that hasn’t stopped the hook-up between the son of Israeli PM Yair Netanyahu, 23, and his fellow student Norwegian Sandra Leikanger, 25, stirring up all sorts of political dissent. Because she’s not Jewish. "
BingoBoingo: "Also note that the service employees union is providing logistical support." >> http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8881 http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8885
asciilifeform: !#s elaineou.com
asciilifeform: ^ lulzy and not wholly uninteresting www
mod6: evenin'
asciilifeform: ohai mod6
mod6: how goes?
asciilifeform: experimenting...
mod6: nice
mod6 reads l0g
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> But 2014 is like the 1960's of Bitcoin. Ancient history!!! << seems like yesterday
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-10#1711925 << how do you type * without hitting the shift key?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-10 20:12 asciilifeform: we're talking about simple ops, i should not have to touch fucking shift key
asciilifeform: PeterL: numpad
PeterL: somehow I didn't even think of that, I never use the numpad *!
PeterL: plus, it is waaaay over there, isn't it easier to just hit shift-8 ?
shinohai: I mean, it's just a few inches to the right - not a trip to Saturn.
PeterL: now I am wondering, what else does my keyboard have that I never use because I don't even notice it?
PeterL: hmm, here's another key I never use, what does "Caps Lock" even do?
asciilifeform: now that one i dun have.
asciilifeform: nor want.
asciilifeform: shinohai: the comp is a machine that MUST ADAPT TO THE MAN, rather than the man to the comp. which is why it is infuriating idiocy , when an op that is done 9000 time daily ( say parens ) lives behind a metakey, while microshitian idiocies like 'printscreen' get own key
asciilifeform: i do not tolerate this in my house, and cannot picture why anybody else does.
PeterL: I suppose people who are not programmers do not use ( or ) much, but does anybody actually use [ and ] any more often?
PeterL: the other option is to think more, type less, and then it does not matter so much where any particular key is
asciilifeform: PeterL: ready to have yer keyboard confiscated and replaced with telegraph key ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: if not, why not ?
asciilifeform: why not carry the 'think more, type less' thing to logical conclusion.
PeterL: or, to take that to extremes, modern man is just a consumer of social media, does not need to type anything, just poke touchscreen and moo
asciilifeform: believe or not , i have one of even those , too
asciilifeform: i even have comps with no input mechanism at all!111
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712365 << reflects poorly on the world in which we live that there isn't a bespoke keyboard-maker.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 00:53 asciilifeform: shinohai: the comp is a machine that MUST ADAPT TO THE MAN, rather than the man to the comp. which is why it is infuriating idiocy , when an op that is done 9000 time daily ( say parens ) lives behind a metakey, while microshitian idiocies like 'printscreen' get own key
kanzure: i would also like to register a complaint about lack of n-key rollover and also another complaint about keyboard keypress registration latency, thanks
BingoBoingo: mod6: Seriously
asciilifeform: i solved this by doing the model-f thing.
asciilifeform: but -- noshit -- this dun scale.
trinque has keyboard remapped to hell, but would be nice to design the thing around the designated key functions.
asciilifeform: trinque: nothing beats modelf + the custom controller imho
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 03:21 mod6: which ones does alf like?
asciilifeform: ( don't be confused by the external resemblance to 'terminal model-m'. mechanics entirely different. no rivets, for one thing. )
asciilifeform: phunk phakt : 'f' cost ~2k 1980 usd.
trinque: hm yeah, I've only ever clacked on an M.
asciilifeform: i muchly prefer the 'f' -- no membrane dome anywhere inside of it, unlike 'm'
asciilifeform: and has a couple of kg of iron.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 17:47 asciilifeform: phf: the hard part is to actually get a hold of a 'model f'.
asciilifeform: trinque et al : i often wonder how many people would be prepared to pay what 'bespoke kbd' costs.
trinque: I'd pay a grand, why not. paid more than that for shittier items.
asciilifeform: ( not much reason to expect that it would cost substantially less than, e.g., bespoke bicycle costs. )
asciilifeform: grand will buy you shite.
trinque: but kanzure's calitards can splice wings into my ass on a UBI budget
trinque: and in a garage!
trinque: anyhow I'd accept the bespokenness of key labels as a start
asciilifeform: even this is trickier than first appears
asciilifeform: if you, as i do, insist on inset-casting
asciilifeform: ( the item where the lettering NEVER wears out, because it is simply the inner layer of the key is black and protrudes just-so )
asciilifeform: ever see a post-1990s kbd that was in use for coupla yrs, the lettering wore off. this dun happen on proper keys.
kanzure: i never promised as much
kanzure: asciilifeform: give me a system that can do better high-fidelity human data output than a 300 wpm keyboard please.
asciilifeform: prolly 500+ with skilled operator.
kanzure: the twiddler thing?
asciilifeform: well a hypothetical 10-finger variant thereof, could
asciilifeform: ( w/ up-down-neutral pos. for switches. )
kanzure: also i would like a full key se without extensive modkeys
kanzure: *key set
asciilifeform: that'd look like e.g. my model-f.
asciilifeform: and 'slow' because fingers must after all move laterally
asciilifeform: ( i dun need 300 or even 200 'wpm' for anything, so it dunbotherme)
kanzure: lateral movement isn't so bad, sean wrona does that all the time
asciilifeform: whossat
kanzure: fastest gun in the west
kanzure: his techique is sort of bizarre and probably caused by brain damage, where he types same words using different fingering each time, and also lots of hovering
asciilifeform: that sounds quite like what i do, lol
asciilifeform: ( minus the hover, wtf , why wouldja )
asciilifeform: if you actually NEED 100s-of-wpm for something, as opposed to pissing contests in arena, dwelling on anything other than a bespoke (for YOUR hands) chorder, is lunacy.
kanzure: really the only purpose of high wpm that i have figured out is winning irc flame wars
asciilifeform: way i see it, cleverly made kbd is really for minimizing flow disruption
asciilifeform: rather than naked 'how many buttons can i press per second'
asciilifeform: WITHOUT EXCEPTION all currently made input periphs are shite. especially, egregiously, the pedals -- i've thrown away 3 or 4 nao
asciilifeform: not a single one permitted RESTING the foot
asciilifeform: infuriating rubbish, made by wreckers.
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