sina: alright ladies and gentlemen, off to visit some friends and have some pho
sina: enjoy your remaining weekend!
ben_vulpes: thanks for the debugging input phf, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: i'm very recently hamstrung in degrees of freedom by hardware failures, so i won't be terribly responsive for the immediate future. working on it tho.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF7104E180D93212963FB33EB49FF838B1D7C7C85384115C10C6DFDC6862D51B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1625...2137 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '22.214.171.124 (ssh-rsa key from 126.96.36.199 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IR 24)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF7104E180D93212963FB33EB49FF838B1D7C7C85384115C10C6DFDC6862D51B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1679...4837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.8.131.52 (ssh-rsa key from 184.108.40.206 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown IR 24)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684855 << i'ma need a copy of your ada tarballs, to see exactly how, but it has been shitgnomed into uselessness
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 02:00 mod6: asciilifeform: here's what I get when I grab the generic Makefile, and use your fact.tar.gz: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/RaNYu/?raw=true
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/us-entertainer-kid-rock-takes-aim-at-pantsuit-senators-job/ << Qntra - US Entertainer Kid Rock Takes Aim At Pantsuit Senator's Job
BingoBoingo: In other comments http://qntra.net/2017/07/bitcoin-network-difficulty-spiked-13-53-this-week/#comment-105121
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 03:22 trinque: seems sorta like there's a double encode happening.
asciilifeform: ( in curl ?! wai?! )
asciilifeform: verdict so far is, makefiles dun survive being pasted.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo usg.pinoy moved on to whining about imminent usg defeat ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hard to tell if usg.pinoy or PRC.Chinoy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform best i can tell, wotpaste simply drops nonascii chars. was something in the makefile not ascii ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: absolutely not
asciilifeform: no winblowz line endings either ( from where..? )
trinque: spent more time freaking out than producing a diff would've taken.
trinque: seems it wasn't the tabs; those came back
mircea_popescu: trinque i am actually running a terst and it's pretty mindboggling.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile running without the shasums produces http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iKMzq/?raw=true
trinque: I think echo adds a newline, for one
mircea_popescu: so it'd seem an 0a/0d gets mangled ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would it do that.
trinque: just... does. and look, they gave ya a "echo -n" to undo it! choice
mircea_popescu: (i don't expect it does, because look in 2nd paste. the -=== bit is produced by echo.
trinque: -n do not output the trailing newline
mircea_popescu: god damned that was it, -n fixes it!
mircea_popescu: oMY FUCXKING GOD ALREADY
mircea_popescu: anyway. now they match.
mircea_popescu very much recommends this test : pick random textfile, put it through the above code, see if you find a dismatching line.
mircea_popescu: atm watching it scroll, however many 100s of lines in, they all match.
trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nCPv5/?raw=true << just one with tabs.
trinque: phf's "foo" breaks it, though really, if the thing's an ascii paster, I dunno that the bug's anything but "fed uniturds, did not tell user to fuck off"
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it simply drops non-ascii chars silently. which is the right thing at that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm calling it good before i fill the guy;'s disk with random lines.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1990.18, vol: 19107.72677751 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1980.001, vol: 7272.76637 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1992.9, vol: 40170.85769058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2073.623544, vol: 13827.40170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1971.542, vol: 12007.1922058 | Volume-weighted last average: 2000.62804597
phf: ben_vulpes: are you using hunchentoot?
phf: so it shouldn't be loosing anything in 0-127 range, at least the foo file comes through clean. it is trying to parse the input as unicode (and i'm pretty sure it's the server doing it, because curl is sending it 8bit clean)
mircea_popescu: phf got a sample case to work on ?
phf: because everything >127 is getting replaced with efbfbd which is unicode "REPLACEMENT CHARACTER" in utf-8
mircea_popescu: phf yes but does it ever collate into an unicode character or anything of the sort ?
phf: it parses input file as unicode and replaces anything that's ascii code >127 with http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/fffd/index.htm
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 02:50 phf: i'm using this function http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/K916E/?raw=true to post this file http://glyf.org/tmp/foo i'm posting it by doing a command "cat foo | wotpaste"
phf: foo is a specially crafted file which is simply a sequence of bytes from 0 to 255
mircea_popescu: possibly there's something else afot though, because that wouldn't have afected a makefile, ie the original problem is it.
mircea_popescu: no, i see that.
phf: right, we're in agreement here. ascii should've remained untouched
phf: i mean, we've had very many tests demonstrating it, part of ongoing "paster ate my characters" asciilifeform saga
phf: but i figure i'll try pushing a binary file through (which wasn't the spec anyway, just wanted to see what actually happens)
mircea_popescu: fwiw i never did manage to verify the saga was anything more than alf's extremely short fuse.
mircea_popescu: and i am not about to see 500 or 5 million instances of that morph into some kind of actual proof of anything.
phf: nor would my explorations ever corroborate that
mircea_popescu: anyway, so far : it's not clear that it actually does anything untoward to ascii ; my tests as they were failed to find an example. we did discover it replaces nonascii chars with some random gunk, which yes should be changed but not really much of a point or anything
mircea_popescu: i thought maybe it is the case that it takes a 2 or 3 byte item which starts with valid ascii and tries to interpret it as some sort of unicode bs and in the process ends up applying a transform to the text somehow. but unless we have the actual magic string, we're not finding this.
mircea_popescu: which is why i asked if you have anything like that.
mircea_popescu: i tried for isntance feeding the original makefile in line by line with my comparer thing, but all the lines match.
phf: so the utf-8 parser takes anything in the 0-127 range as is, so we definitely wouldn't have any "magic string" cases in the happy path (the unhappy path being that you can apparently specify file type and encoding when posting to an rfc2388 form, and the server can happily decide to transcode it in whatever way it pleases)
mircea_popescu: there's no way he's fixcing that however, outside of making a whole new tmsr http
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the faux buffet, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f2bceb97702aa6374118a870fafe0bc1/tumblr_oi6f6tt2zr1stzc8to1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: !!up aerial
deedbot: aerial voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: eh ferfuxsake
mircea_popescu: !$ssh 220.127.116.11
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DBC974CE0394913DF318F937ADB15DBBD96D696597F2F644DCF58B13DD87FAE5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1588...8217 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ()
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DBC974CE0394913DF318F937ADB15DBBD96D696597F2F644DCF58B13DD87FAE5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1604...2403 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ()
Framedragger: http://archive.is/download/nQLP9.zip << do you mean a copy of this file *from earlier*, or (only) to have a general mechanism for downloading these archive copies?
Framedragger: i'll do the latter, as to the former, i'm afraid it doesn't have it as of yet
a111: Logged on 2017-07-14 16:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-14#1683501 >> that is the link in question, yes. it's be tremendously useful if it also had a copy of http://archive.is/download/nQLP9.zip stored somewhere.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger imagine you know, five years from now the situation repeats. except then there's no tardstalk anymore. but it's ok, we have the archive link. o look, it's just a dangling link.
mircea_popescu: good thing we saved it then! (tm)
Framedragger: yes of course and i agree
Framedragger: i just wasn't sure if you were looking for a particular downloaded-from-earlier copy of that zip file
mircea_popescu: instead of that sad fate, pile them into monthl;y tarballs, deed the previous month's tarball each time a new month starts and lo! major piece of infrastructure.
Framedragger: (i thought you maybe wanted to check if archive.is tampered with it; which yes we should be able to do as well)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger nah, just in general.
Framedragger: aha, ok. alrighty
mircea_popescu: Framedragger above described mechanism will do that for free, yeah, just gotta have to care enough to put a link in log.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/cuts-on-campus-follow-illinois-tax-hike/ << Qntra - Cuts On Campus Follow Illinois Tax Hike
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1932.04, vol: 23428.84569111 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1955.58, vol: 10221.57286 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1919.7, vol: 49221.3374292 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2002.933476, vol: 12473.25150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1923.25, vol: 13245.4099681 | Volume-weighted last average: 1935.73341543
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/assorted-diversities-or-how-we-went-looking-for-a-brothel-and-all-we-found-was-a-warehouse-church/ << Trilema - Assorted diversities, or how we went looking for a brothel and all we found was a warehouse church.
BingoBoingo: OMG Costa Rica has warehouse churches too!!!
mircea_popescu: and in random vintage trilema, http://trilema.com/2013/you-probably-have-no-idea-how-funny-the-law-is/
BingoBoingo was a bit disappointed, this was merely traditional church building kept as warehouse. Was expecting USian phenomenon where new construction church is actually build in the manner of a warehouse. Corrugated steel and all.
asciilifeform: in other noose, achtung mod6 et al:
asciilifeform: results of torture test:
asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz' : 153m7.214s
asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4870HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz' (Crapple MBP) : 155m57.246s
asciilifeform: 'AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2393 SE @ 3.1 GHz' : 298m6.240s
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
asciilifeform: for anyone not tuned in : ^ computes factorial of 65536.
asciilifeform: the sha512 of the output of the program, on all 3 machines, is 2540ed1fa8d4eb82916417df9136b79657c27cfc9c590d0b43fa14a03c7b2831f0371a598bd8040d7ba1ed0a6c1fd0cd87287d477388f2a2ed962f3f5601f366.
asciilifeform: width, as readers of the proggy recall, is 1024000-bit.
asciilifeform: the output lives now at http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact_out.txt , if someone knows what 65536! ought to equal -- compare and say.
phf: asciilifeform: just fyi, your package of goodies compiles, i haven't ran it through, but with gdb i can catch it mostly doing Mul, and producing sensible states
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, that's precisely what it was.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 19:49 BingoBoingo was a bit disappointed, this was merely traditional church building kept as warehouse. Was expecting USian phenomenon where new construction church is actually build in the manner of a warehouse. Corrugated steel and all.
asciilifeform: neato phf
asciilifeform: phf: something is very very very wrong with mod6's gnat, but i do not yet know what
asciilifeform: ( ftr i tested it on both of the two major species of gnat )
asciilifeform: i have done this continuously ever since mod6 unearthed the sharp edge with 'Image operator
phf: let's see
phf: !!up mimisbrunnr
deedbot: mimisbrunnr voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: !W (defvar *ref* (parse-integer (drakma:http-request "http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact_out.txt") :radix 16))
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my 65536! is like 6710214DD etc.
asciilifeform: plox to post whole thing
mircea_popescu: alrighty, will later today.
phf: !W (= *ref* 0)
mircea_popescu: phf you need candi_lustt yes ?
shinohai: !!up candi_lustt
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: oh right right
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'll bbl.
phf: !W (= *ref* 0)
candi_lustt: phf: NIL
phf: !W (DEFUN FACTORIAL (N &OPTIONAL (ACC 1)) (IF (<= N 1) ACC (FACTORIAL (- N 1) (* ACC N))))
candi_lustt: phf: FACTORIAL
phf: !W (= *ref* (factorial 65536))
candi_lustt: phf: T
phf: asciilifeform: ^
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo no, that's precisely what it was. << Ah
asciilifeform: dafuq is *ref* , phf
phf: it's few lines above, parse-integer'd fact_out.txt
asciilifeform: can haz the interval in which the (factorial...) ran ?
asciilifeform: because earlier it was for some reason nowhere
asciilifeform: and incidentally in case anyone reading this is not really awake, the method of calculating factorial shown in the ada proggy is brainmeltingly dumb. you really want a tree, most of it is smallint mult
asciilifeform: as displayed in phf's.
asciilifeform: thing is, you can't do this with ffa.
asciilifeform: i'ma guess you'd get a very similar speed, however, if you permitted http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684198 .
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 13:00 asciilifeform: btw if you're actually doing something that doesn't need constanttime, you can simply put the obvious check-for-zero in the karatsuba and get 2-9000x boost for mul.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:19 phf: !W (defvar *ref* (parse-integer (drakma:http-request "http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact_out.txt") :radix 16))
asciilifeform: neato phf .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu you might want to get a new calculator..
phf: parse-integer actually took significantly longer than factorial (i'm trying to figure out how to get a millisecond timer out of sbcl to wrap factorial to answer your question, but i don't think there's anything native)
asciilifeform: if it's dwarfed by i/o, we can say it took 0!1111
asciilifeform: and no joak either -- if it drowns in the noise, there is no signal.
phf: !W (let ((t0 (get-internal-run-time))) (factorial 65536) (float (/ (- (get-internal-run-time) t0) internal-time-units-per-second)))
candi_lustt: phf: 4.16
asciilifeform: yeah unsurprise, considering that all but a handful of the muls are singleword
BingoBoingo: !!Up what
deedbot: what voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up whatisthis
deedbot: whatisthis voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: whatisthis: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: looks like yet another 'strong and silent type'
whatisthis: im reading the trilema site. and I don't really understand what's going on. But I'm terribly intrigued to continue reading it
whatisthis: so, my question is my nick. what is this?
asciilifeform: which this ?
asciilifeform: see the subject line for the chan ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1684964 << there are no non-ascii chars in my input. i ran a test, of the makefile in the tarball, and ended up with http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Au741/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 06:02 mircea_popescu: pretty sure it simply drops non-ascii chars silently. which is the right thing at that.
whatisthis: yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can?
asciilifeform: xxd dump of curling the paste back, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WOzLL/?raw=true >> many many winblowzified line endings, but seemingly intact tabs
asciilifeform: gnumake is sensitive to whitespace, it is how the idiots made it. and doesn't cleanly eat winblowz line endings, which unfailingly appear whenever www liquishit is in the loop.
BingoBoingo: <whatisthis> yes. sell all of my stuff and contribute to TMSR however I can? << No, first tell up who your daddy is and what does he do
BingoBoingo: Then, maybe http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: already suggested to d00d, to read the subj line.
asciilifeform: but apparently this is one of those 5minuteattentionspan modern wonders.
phf: whatisthis: trilema is some guy's personal blog. it kind of should be obvious from the format of things. typically when one discovers something, one should spend some time circling it, this way and that, trying to figure out its nature. you will gain very little by coming on "hey guyz! whacha doing here!!"
asciilifeform: i often wonder, when this question is asked, what the asker expects the answer to look like.
asciilifeform: 'we're painting this old toyota' ?
phf: it's a barn raising! you in? and then we'll have us a good ol' lynching!
asciilifeform: nah everybody knows, first lynching, then barnraising
mod6: <+asciilifeform> results of torture test: << thanks for posting your results.
mod6: I'll be spending some time this week to try to get adacore's stuff built into gentoo with gcc. not sure now how this will go, but will let you guys know.
mod6: perhaps if i can get that working, then I can use the -cflags -O2 thing alright without issues.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nah everybody knows, first lynching, then barnraising << AHA, barn commemorates honored tree!
asciilifeform: phf: pretty neat
asciilifeform: phf: now if only it weren't one of the world's largest golden toilets.
phf: "why would we use it to scan what you're asking us to scan, if we can just go and get the original, lulz"
asciilifeform: mod6: not the problem. my thing builds on both adacore's and trad gnu gnat.
BingoBoingo wonders if we have moved on yet from Axe Time, Sword Time on to Wind Time, Wolf Time
asciilifeform: looks like still mop time, bucket time, from here.
BingoBoingo: I thought that comes last
asciilifeform set up mod6's benchmark on a few moar comps
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque didja ever get a gnat going on your g5 ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: or ben_vulpes ^
asciilifeform: who do we have with what else exotica
asciilifeform: ( m68k..? )
asciilifeform: jurov with arm ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu with cray!111?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel with old but well-configured rusty bucket?
asciilifeform: 'Grishnak mit große Hammer / Zorg mit rostig Schwert / Raufen, Saufen, Schnaufen / Bis sich nichts mehr wehrt!' (tm)(r)('Zehn Orks')
asciilifeform: but yes ideally somebody other than asciilifeform will stand up to do the chore of showing that thing is indeed endian-neutral ( which, unlike afaik every other bignumtron , it in fact is )
asciilifeform: i dun presently have a working bigendian box here.
asciilifeform: ( last g4 died while ago )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the blessings of reals ;/ your value's right.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:31 asciilifeform: and no joak either -- if it drowns in the noise, there is no signal.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685096 << practically speaking, "this" as in #trilema would be c-span for the senate of a "terrorist organisation". best guess.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:50 whatisthis: so, my question is my nick. what is this?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685108 << a yeah, whatever happened to the exciting kid a few days back.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:59 asciilifeform: but apparently this is one of those 5minuteattentionspan modern wonders.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685111 << obviously the purpose of the "asking" is the stroking of the implicit assumptions of equality baked in. the question isn't "what is this ?" but rather "hey, i know i'm a guy 100% interchangeable with any/all of youze, right, i can even pm mp if i feel like it, so say something to signify your agreement, whatever it is, when i ask you hey guys what is this ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 21:02 asciilifeform: 'we're painting this old toyota' ?
mircea_popescu: which is kinda funny in that it's a question crafted to bother the asker.
asciilifeform: the other end of that 'we ain't fancy people' catv handshake thing
asciilifeform: ( see also trilema postmortem re subj )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in lulz of all time, some dork (email@example.com / 184.108.40.206) put a bunch of "1"'`--" in vartious fields comments into trilema. BY HAND.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just about, i expect.
asciilifeform: what's "1... supposed to do..?
mircea_popescu: anyway. dorks trying to interact with the world on their own terms, as if they were somehow human by plain working of nature. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672444 in various coats of paint.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 14:43 mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster you're not here to learn. you're here to try and bludgeon the world into a shape your head may fit. this is the opposite of learning. learning is when you change.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect the -- is supposed to do something or the other to mysql. the rest is just a selection of terminators.
mircea_popescu: -- is // in mysqltalk
asciilifeform: i see 3-4 of these every day
asciilifeform: live, on the phuctor term
mircea_popescu: by hand tho ?
asciilifeform: and fuck knows how many at night, i dun even always bother to catalogue
asciilifeform: at least 1 every day suggestive of 'by hand'
asciilifeform: ( that, or lovingly crafted bot with delay rng )
mircea_popescu: pretty sure this was the first non-automated attempt to "take over trilema!!!" since http://trilema.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90298
mircea_popescu: five years.
asciilifeform: somehow phuctor is a junkyard magnet for this style of nonsense. and, i imagine, a very frustrating one
asciilifeform: ( shows 0 reaction )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in not-sweden, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e2df86edb0302ca576dde8238c9b43ac/tumblr_ofc4q5qmx71uaw4ceo1_400.gif
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Portion of Zoo in operating condition as slimmed considerably
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: not the problem. my thing builds on both adacore's and trad gnu gnat. << yeah not sure what the problem is. it's a binary installation of gnat via apt-get, so that, i'm sure is part of the issue. however, it works better than the first ada configuration that I had, which, didn't work at all.
mod6: My thinking is that, if i need to be able to use all the switches ad denoted in your makefile (since my mine doesn't seem to allow for that), I may need the adacore configuration.
mod6: I'd be happy to try anything on my environment for you if it were to help sus out what might be wrong with it. I truly have no idea where to begin on this thing.
BingoBoingo: dat url, how do referrers work anymoar?
asciilifeform: mod6: plz post the tarballs that your gnat was made from
asciilifeform: so i can replicate your wtf.
asciilifeform: ( possibly... )
mod6: not even sure if that's possible... will look
asciilifeform: it had to come from somewhere, neh
mircea_popescu: mod6 possibly not aptgetting a binary but instead building source may fix it for you ?
asciilifeform: fwiw i have a box with the adacore bin gnat, everything worx great even there
mircea_popescu: it's not all that rare that precompiled binaries are incorrectly marked and don't actually run on specific setups
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yea, but one of those things, works if it works and doesn't if it doesn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his runs but somehow barfs, for 1st time, on this particular ffa.
mircea_popescu: that doesn't sound very much like it then huh.
asciilifeform: mod6: plz repaste your barf
asciilifeform: i misplaced it
mod6: this is all the stuff that is installed (i think) via apt for gnat: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mZRtO/?raw=true
mod6: i can, i guess, bundle all those deb packages and send 'em.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: plz repaste your barf << ok, shall I rerun your make, included with the fact.tar.gz ?
asciilifeform: btw mod6 , you ran it with the contents of the tarball, yes ?
asciilifeform: as it was
asciilifeform: or changed ?
mod6: yup. totally unchanged. am posting...
asciilifeform: ty mod6
mod6: np, thank you for the help!
mod6: im not sure what it doesn't like about 142, 146 -- they look like a lot of otherlines in ffa. so not sure what it thinks isn't kosher.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 possibly not aptgetting a binary but instead building source may fix it for you ? << yeah, this is always a bad idea. only reason i did it, was to get an ada env stood up quickly. i had a super weird problem on the first environment that I tried on. the gnat version didn't match the gcc version and was getting like non-determinstic errors.
mod6: so, as a trial, i set it up on my eulora box.
mod6: and, suprisingly it worked.
mod6: my goal is to get gnat setup on gentoo, but the main problem is there, you have to hand-roll the entire thing because the gnat package for gentoo requires gcc6
mod6: shinohai, I think, figured out a way to do this, and pointed me at: http://www.adacore.com/products , but I haven't dug into it yet myself.
asciilifeform: we might have to confiscate gentoo etc sooner rather than later.
asciilifeform: mod6: the official adacore gnat installs in 3minutes, but with obvious caveat (you live with binarolade)
mod6: well, like I was saying in #trilema-mod6 around that same day was, perhaps we're going to need to start freezing some of the things required to stand up a gcc4+gnat4 if it becomes required. i have a fear that this shit will start to disappear eventually.
asciilifeform: seems like already disappeared from gentoo latest portage neh.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: the official adacore gnat installs in 3minutes, but with obvious caveat (you live with binarolade) << yeah, i see they do have bins, but was going to custom handroll my own, to not only get one sanely built for my own environment, but will also allow me to set whatever ./configure flags I might need for optimizations.
asciilifeform: though i will point out that gnat+gcc5/6 might not in fact suffer from same horrors as cpp on same.
mod6: asciilifeform: yah, gentoo is looking for a package maintainer for gnat.
mod6: im more referring to the massive tarball that you get from adacore
mod6: it actually distributes a ton of inner packages (requirements) like, gcc, gdb, zlib, etc etc.
mod6: (instead of just being a tar of just it's own source0
asciilifeform: mod6: you may recall, that it is not possible to build gnat without... gnat
asciilifeform: ( how this was finessed on day0 -- i do not presently know )
mod6: i guess i didn't realize that, i thought you just, ofc, need a working gcc.
asciilifeform: this so far is in fact the thing i like least.
asciilifeform: mod6: gnat is an ada proggy.
mod6: aha, ok. i get what you're sayin'
asciilifeform: so 'working gcc' is guaranteed to not suffice.
asciilifeform: it uses gcc backend tho, so also needs a working gcc.
asciilifeform: but you already knew this.
mod6: also, above, I pasted the wrong link to adacore, here's the one that I was given to get the adacore source: http://libre.adacore.com/download/configurations
mod6: my apologies to anyone following along.
phf: presumably original version was assembled by jean ichbiah out of twigs, a simula compiler, a UNIVAC machine, a chicken, a wrench, a discarded truck tire. the process was documented in BUILD-PROC.TXT.3
mod6: ok, so i dropped on a binary install of adacore onto my gentoo environment here just to test...
mod6: will grab alf's fact.tar.gz nao, and see if it works.
mircea_popescu: phf i thought that was lisp
mod6: asciilifeform: also, what's weird is, despite the errors in the last paste above, an 'ffa_fact' binary is still compiled.
mod6: and works.
phf: nah, lisp has been using the same image file since the early mccarthy days. each consecutive versions were implemented by manually patching the image file roughly into the needed shape all the way to present implementations
mircea_popescu: that'd explain all the ebcdic
phf: kind of reminds me of those personal homepages of schizophrenics back in the early days of the internets
mircea_popescu: kinda reminds me of the various "cryptocurrencty" and "blockchain" communities.
mircea_popescu: i suppose these are rather compatible memories.
asciilifeform: 'No Mircea Popescu (his blog, ranting) is not the DAO hacker, but he does know what actually happened to Cryptsy. Polonix.com doesn't know how to handle floats/doubles/scientific-notation and it is being manipulated in margin trading. 10% (soon to be 20%) of all mining rewards go to the Bilderburg Group' << lollamatic
mircea_popescu: in other sads, i spent most of the day at the local celebration, which included ~1000 horses. everything smells of manure.
mircea_popescu: it's like i fell into 1717 somehow.
asciilifeform: mod6: i suspect that your env path needs tweaking
asciilifeform: e.g. PATH=/opt/gnat/bin:$PATH;export PATH; in your .bashrc --- or wherever it is
mod6: oh, weird, i installed everything to /usr/local/gnat
mod6: and i already added: PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/gnat/bin to my ~/.bashrc
mod6: PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/gnat/bin; export PATH
mod6: <+phf> kind of reminds me of those personal homepages of schizophrenics back in the early days of the internets << scammers.
mod6: fwiw, if i just run `gnatmake ffa_fact`, does not error.
asciilifeform: on what box did it ever ?
mod6: never did, that always seems to work. can't figure out why it says "gcc: error: language ada not recognized"
mod6: either way, think I should run the ffa_fact test?
asciilifeform: if it runs...
phf: nah, you guys, there used to be sites, geocities style, made by actual schizophrenics. they were awesome. it was the kind of place where they discussed bildeberg and complained about the high doses of lithium or whatever prescribed by their doctor (who was taking direct orders from ronald reagan who was secretly still controlling the shadow government of the united states through the high concentration of ...)
asciilifeform: i do wonder where these vanished to
mod6: see how long it takes? this is a core2duo (old box) with 4gb of ram
mod6: <+asciilifeform> if it runs... << ok will try
asciilifeform: mod6: ram is 100% irrelevant here
mircea_popescu: now they're fat girls raving about how they were almost raped by the subway.
phf: oh yeah, timecube, but that one is almost legit.
asciilifeform: yeah but where are the original 'they'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect they're still there ; unfindable now because we stupidly decided to take google seriously.
asciilifeform: this and possibly + speedy deletion by 'blogger' etc kolhozed for 'term of service violation' for lese mageste
mircea_popescu: when i was a child, i read a story, well written in the fantastic realist embryonic style. it contained a lamp for making darkness, which struck me then as the pinnacle of antipossible objects.
mircea_popescu: except, that is ~the only proper way to describe google.
mircea_popescu: it is the world's first, and to my knowledge the world's only, darkness making lamp.
mod6: ok off it goes.
trinque: ha strangely apt, mod6.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> we might have to confiscate gentoo etc sooner rather than later. << It'll need renamed to keep pantsuitists from using
asciilifeform: incidentally we have moar data!!! :
mod6: this box does nothing else other than just test builds/dev for trb, and is currently idle. should be a decent test. albiet much slower than the metrics collected with alf's i7 box.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cuntoo, evidently.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:07 asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4800MQ CPU @ 2.70GHz' : 153m7.214s
asciilifeform: ( others -- still cookin' )
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo cuntoo, evidently. << i think this is a winner.
mircea_popescu: can have a logo of a cunt with two balls, like cartman's idea. cunt-o-o
BingoBoingo thinks Cuntshoo may be more fitting
trinque: asciilifeform: let ya know about the g5 gnat; haven't tried yet.
asciilifeform: aaaand, literally <2min later, we have trial #2 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-16#1685030 >>> 155m54.188s
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:08 asciilifeform: 'Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4870HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz' (Crapple MBP) : 155m57.246s
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: ram is 100% irrelevant here << not saying it isn't, trying to be more descriptive than "box". lol
BingoBoingo: Cunt, two balls, two shoes; for the stomping!
mod6: asciilifeform: nice
asciilifeform: mod6: i gotta clarify, the ~size~ is irrelevant , the bus speed, however, quite relevant.
asciilifeform: possibly the sole bottleneck.
asciilifeform: ( witness the figures for 2.5 vs 2.7 GHz intels )
mod6: CPU0: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93GHz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo : i immediately pictured an 'abstract' dentata logo
asciilifeform: for 'cuntoo'.
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to make tho
asciilifeform: nah, just picture bear trap teeth , vertical.
phf: i have to say cuntoo readers/sounds better than cuntshoo, easier to write, straight to the point, etc.
mircea_popescu: nubbin on top ?
mircea_popescu: phf im not sure how the shoes cut in. BingoBoingo what's the shoe idea ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the funny thing with clitoral presentation is that both top and bottom are "naturally" just to different people!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well feet have balls and Cartman's cunts have balls. Also the oo sound. Why not have Cuntshoos. Very detective sounding like Gumshoe
asciilifeform: meh, extra letters