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mod6: wb
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B5B77FD7E335875B265600B307D7DC3C92D7D73C043F86719F899A9CD943323 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1647...8617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.9.0 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.9.0 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-9-0.ghst.net. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B5B77FD7E335875B265600B307D7DC3C92D7D73C043F86719F899A9CD943323 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1736...3599 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.9.0 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.9.0 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-9-0.ghst.net. FR)
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: no marketall for you! come back - one year!
BingoBoingo: Awe, I guess the dollarshaming will have to wait
BingoBoingo: It's actually a rather popular subscription service among oldsters who think they are millenials, "dollar shame club". Even has radio advertising jingles.
mircea_popescu: cuz they can't afford the "pro dommes"
BingoBoingo: Aha, easier to pretend they didn't want the dollars they don't have in the first place
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 08:08 jurov: https://i.nahraj.to/f/1Kyp.gif unrelated
erlehmann: i suspect this method of taint analysis can be useful for more than just the question “who is at risk when a condom broke?”
erlehmann: also it does not include test results in the epigraph tree-builder
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4B573F584F8FD284E16465CA83F08D274E8EEB1B7743BFB659587F3ACBE46415 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1603...9679 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '63.97.43.239 (ssh-rsa key from 63.97.43.239 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (63-97-43-239-ama.pathwayz.com. US TX)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4B573F584F8FD284E16465CA83F08D274E8EEB1B7743BFB659587F3ACBE46415 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1448...8323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '63.97.43.239 (ssh-rsa key from 63.97.43.239 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (63-97-43-239-ama.pathwayz.com. US TX)
asciilifeform: lol, 'OFFERING BUSINESS INTERNET AND PHONE SOLUTIONS
asciilifeform: ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS AND BEYOND'
shinohai: !!up sn0wmonster
deedbot: sn0wmonster voiced for 30 minutes.
sn0wmonster: here for the deedbot
sn0wmonster: have a general question really
sn0wmonster: in what ways (please name as many as possible) is deedbot patently different than #bitcoin-otc's gribble in terms of GPG/user ratings?
mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster gribble ratings are unauthenticated.
sn0wmonster: that is a problem
sn0wmonster: i've been trying to find the perfect WoT system to include into #Taskhive for a while now and i was under the impression that#bitcoin-otc simply decentralized would suffice,
mircea_popescu: nanotube was going to fix it cca 2015. didn't happen then or hence.
sn0wmonster: but i had planned on having each rating also be signed
sn0wmonster: is that the only difference?
sn0wmonster: well, major difference anyway?
mircea_popescu: that is a sufficient difference.
sn0wmonster: agreed
sn0wmonster: i was hoping to hear that it was decentralized, as in, nodes connect together to disperse and allow submissions to the reputation database without needing IRC or the website
mircea_popescu: not really the tmsr way.
sn0wmonster: because that would have saved us the time of reinventing the wheel
sn0wmonster: no worries
sn0wmonster: thank you kindly!
shinohai: trb node should be back up soon, motherboard still boots up, replaced nic with external model.
shinohai: Now to locate superior ups
shinohai: How goes this morning Sr. Popescu?
mircea_popescu: eh, been better.
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'liebert' makes ok upsen
shinohai looks ....
shinohai: thx asciilifeform !
asciilifeform: np shinohai
asciilifeform: shinohai: if you get one with a nic, make sure to segment it away from anything interesting
asciilifeform: ( alternatively -- yank the nic and put in the serial port card, they're a few bux secondhand )
mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster supposing you're actually serious about not reinventing the wheel (which at this point i very much doubt), the correct approach is to first establish ~yourself~, and then have your own castle like so many others before you.
mircea_popescu: it is NOT, very specifically and poinedly not, coming up with a "catchy" socialistard name and then trying to build "ideas" around it.
mod6: <+shinohai> trb node should be back up soon, motherboard still boots up, replaced nic with external model. << good deal :]
sn0wmonster: mircea_popescu, are there any decentralized web-of-trusts that allow GPG authenticated ratings and comments to be left for GPG authenticated users without needing to connect to IRC or a centralized website to interact with it?
mircea_popescu: no. and there is a reason for that.
sn0wmonster: if not, i don't see how i'm reinventing the wheel by building that part of it.
sn0wmonster: i'm here to learn, could you share the reason for that?
mircea_popescu: this is exactly what d-k is all about. think for a second : years ago when i specced this, i could just as well ahve specced it that way. what, you think the-people-who-matter need you to come by ten years late and show them the wheel ?
shinohai: Cheers mod6, and thanks for advice yesterday .... seemed most straightforward route since box still booted.
mircea_popescu: your wheel ain't a wheel.
mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster you're not here to learn. you're here to try and bludgeon the world into a shape your head may fit. this is the opposite of learning. learning is when you change.
sn0wmonster: you'll have to do a bit better than narcissistic ravings
sn0wmonster: is there a technical reason why it hasn't been built yet?
mircea_popescu: you actually believe i needed you to mosy along and say the magic words "decendralized feteraded buzz buzz buzz". you actually believe this. how ?
sn0wmonster: i like how you made this about you.
mircea_popescu: yes, there's an actrual technical reason. no, it can't be explained to you. because you lack priors.
sn0wmonster: do you always do this?
asciilifeform: theoretically, if d00d has a brain, it could be explained to'im
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the difference between brains and practices is that in theory there are no brains.
mircea_popescu: but in practice, there are.
asciilifeform: sn0wmonster: trinque's wotron ( which is in use here ) gives you a complete copy of the wot on demand. how would you make this 'more decentralized' ?
mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster the moment you stumble into a technical discussion with "proposals" on the level of "hey guise i just heard about this cryptormation superhighway, here's how to fix it", YOU made the discussion about you.
sn0wmonster: another narcissistic trait, assuming things.
sn0wmonster: no one 'stumbled', i was invited here with the false idea that the WoT here was any different than the one i've already used for 7 years.
mircea_popescu: and the sad thing is, the more time flies, the more the fruit flies will be flying in.
mircea_popescu: sn0wmonster what is the difference between "stumbled" and "invited here with the false idea that the WoT here was any different than the one i've already used for 7 years" iyo ?
sn0wmonster: now that i know it's not but for a single technical difference that i was already planning on fixing before coming here, i'm left with only your narcissistic rants and runarounds.
sn0wmonster: good luck!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what irritates the fucktard is that somehow, agaionst all pantsuit effort and promise, somehow in this world there still are men!
mircea_popescu: and he has had the bright idea to... fix, geddit.
mircea_popescu: "tasklead" for "shithive" and whatnot. such a wunderbarl world little girls have tea with sam in!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on other hand, the fact that a wot is a local object ( and doesn't 'decentralize' ) is not necessarily obvious, even to thinking folx
asciilifeform: it was not immediately obvious to asciilifeform , for instance, at one time
asciilifeform: and wtf is taskwhatever
mircea_popescu: yet the difference between us, whereby when he asks for a difference i provide the difference, but when i ask for a difference he has nothing to show, is entirely lost on him. and this DOESNT suggest to him that perhaps he's not yet up to the task of comprehending such intricacies as might not be obvious even to thinking folks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform * sn0wmonster (~yeti@taskhive/lead/sn0wmonster) has left #trilema ("Leaving") <
shinohai: Appears to be android app to "decentralize" Mechanical Turk
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: could prolly buy russia.
asciilifeform: does it pay out in etherdaotronium
mircea_popescu: at worst "it is an option".
mircea_popescu: i'm so sick of ustards by now it's palpable.
mircea_popescu: ima go to the doctor and he's going to feel my abdomen and then say "hmm... i can feel a petrified being sick of ustards right here next to the spleen"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ima go to the doctor and he's going to feel my abdomen and then say "hmm... i can feel a petrified being sick of ustards right here next to the spleen" << Still less of a disease state than being a USTard. At least you KNOW when you are sick, even if it is bubbles.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
BingoBoingo: I mean decentralized gribdeedbot to handle ratings on decentralized mecanical turk all to be held together by what? Hard forks?
mircea_popescu: to be honest, back when the fucktards were like "o hi guise, i am 12 and expert, never heard of wot but i made this keybase", i was all pissy because of the whole "i have never heard". now that they do the "oh i know tmsr is my true and proper sovereign, but might i not talk my way out of it ? i'm really clever like, plus i use words i can't define borrowed from an old copy of wikimedica" i'm pissy because of the whole clever
mircea_popescu: like borrowed words bs.
mircea_popescu: logically it follows, i'm just a curmudgeon and gtfo my lawn.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the hard fork school of soft knocks to the colon.
asciilifeform: speaking of these, asciilifeform can hardly wait for the 'dontchaknow you Don'tImplementYourOwnCrypto!!1111' 'luminaries'
BingoBoingo: At least you aren't an alf getting out of own lawn
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not to mention you-should-do-it-in-haskell
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha!! dunforget!
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing not forgets, "i never ate outside of kfc in my whole life, but i think i heard granpa call granma a filthy arab whore, and so therefore i am culturally arabic and OMFG NEED UTF-256 WHERE ARE THE SQUIGGLIES TO FILL MY INNER VOIDS!!!"
mircea_popescu: any hotties ?
BingoBoingo: Not really
mircea_popescu: let the permanent record permanently reflect that the ~only reasonable use of us-born teenagers today is gangrape in park.
BingoBoingo: Mostly looks like a chronicle of every time local news papers censored race
phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
phf: scussions, but also any kind of attempt at crypto communication. there was nothing to say all along.
BingoBoingo: AHA, you stole their having to talk about
mircea_popescu: phf the whole thing to say was that $random-schmuck is really REALLY bothered by the scent of my ballsac.
BingoBoingo: Oh, in other news, apparently miner coup is at ~80% support
mircea_popescu: i fail to see how any of it is anything other than "protect me from men". from credit cards and parking lots to "legal system" and "our democracy", the whole exercise is entirely borne out of and predicated upon "please god let it never be the case mp says something to me"
BingoBoingo: perhaps fork war is nigh
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is almost summer...
mircea_popescu: vaguely curious if this "80%" is any closer to reality than the previous "miner consensus" when gavin wrecked the chain.
BingoBoingo: Hard to say. Perhaps the miners really do wander off to do Altcoin
BingoBoingo: Where's davout? Is the Bitcoin/shitcoin this ready to light up?
BingoBoingo: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Apparently Elliots are organizing themselves as a demographic! "How is that better than being ignorant? In some ways knowledge is more evil. Like the Asian women who write these “progressive” “feminist” articles about how they know its so bad being an Asian man, but sorry they also married a white man. Is that the model you are looking to, when you say you will be a WMAF who acknowledges racism against As
BingoBoingo: ian men?"
mircea_popescu: isn't this whole "shit black chicks say" or w/e meme done to death already ?
mircea_popescu: wait, wait wut ?! THERE EXIST ASIAN MEN ?!?!
mircea_popescu: how long have i been away.
BingoBoingo: "Back then I looked at me being born as a good thing." << Lol
mircea_popescu: * deedbot gives voice to hanbot << somehow this struck me as quite funny :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Children of White Dads and Asian Moms, like Elliot. There's a gold mine of self loathing out there
hanbot: mircea_popescu shhh, i'm trying to infiltrate botciety here
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo apparently servile mother + withdrawing father is the best recipe for offspring psychological disorders.
BingoBoingo: Or the kids are doing it to themselves
BingoBoingo: more comedy gold needs mining to make a decision
phf: the last asian men all committed seppuku when japan lost in world war ii. yukio mishima, a homosexual writer of some repute was so distressed by there not being any men anymore, he tried to organize a coup to restate imperial power and bushido, with predictable results
asciilifeform: phf: possibly -- not last.
asciilifeform: but this remains to be seen.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently the Elliot demo mines and sows discord in the lands of their matriarchies https://archive.is/mEV8w
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: stalin, supposedly, once said to his friends, 'history divides into three eras, matriarchate, patriarchate, and secretariate'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672507 << mircea_popescu: consider dropping another 50MTonne кузькина мать -- looked, at least to naked eye, to have miraculous educational effect last time around
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:40 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is almost summer...
asciilifeform: phf: what a misfortunate d00d, he was, couldn't get a proper kaishakunin, it took, what , 5 whacks to drop his head
BingoBoingo: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL "Stop using the word Asian-Chinese, it's redundant, and inaccurate. Use Indigenous-Chinese or Aboriginal-Chinese."
phf: first guy actually failed repeatedly, until another one took over
phf: but that's why you don't try and build an army out of your gay buddies.
asciilifeform: 'you seppuku with the kashakunin you have, not the kaishakunin you wish you had', or what did old man rumsfeld say.
asciilifeform: ^ apparently still a folk favourite in jp
phf: well, "folk", i'm reminded how every indian, when they say ghandi, they have to add "the father of our nation" immediately after, but in the privacy of their own homes (lubricated by a bit of alcohol) they start saying that godse should've done it sooner
asciilifeform: lubricated jp folk aaalso say... interesting things.
BingoBoingo: Nepali kids insisted their country was the one Indians thought they had
BingoBoingo: Well, Between Buddah and all the kings etc.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there are ~no buddhists in india, last i knew
BingoBoingo: Also "Greater Nepal" is this nationalistic thing many of them bought into where they insisted their traditional borders went halfway to the ocean
asciilifeform sings softly 'от москвы до британских морей красная армия всех сильней!'
trinque: not to get all "mixing of the races", but in a less squeamish culture it'd be interesting if somebody actually studied it. maybe poor elliots have a biological basis.
asciilifeform: ...at least that's what we had in asciilifeform's nepal
asciilifeform: trinque: expand plox
phf: гражданин непала это человек зачатый не пальцем и не палкой
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: phf i was thinking of mishima exactly.
trinque: there are ethnically bound diseases right? why not diseases arising out of a particular mixture of genes from two sides of the planet
mircea_popescu: phf> but that's why you don't try and build an army out of your gay buddies. << but i saw it in that film about us cowboys dressed in skirts!
mircea_popescu: IT WAS HISTORICAL
asciilifeform: trinque: it isn't clear that there was anything physically wrong with elliot ( aside from being, by his account, a very short and thin d00d )
asciilifeform: could have been worse - say, short+fat
mircea_popescu: phf speaking of "father of nation" pedo -- ever seen the bridge to kwaii ?
asciilifeform: or missing a leg, arm..
mircea_popescu: absolutely HYSTERICAL not-dead-yet-honest britsh empire piece of agitprop. it is built on the mindbogglingly entertaining twin premises that a) british is not merely relevant, but world-central and b) really, they're this sort of age cave tace laborious dependable serious folk, like ghandi personally spawned the lot of them out of fat drunk saxon uglies.
mircea_popescu: totally must be seen piece of lulz for the curious entomologist.
asciilifeform adds to list
mircea_popescu: trinque because a random "gene mixture" does not an ethnicity make.
mircea_popescu: creoles (which is the name for two-ethnic mixtures, unless you prefer mongrels) are significantly more variant as a group than either antecessor group.
mircea_popescu: somewhat similar to how hela is just one of many sorta-woman sorta-hpv combinations out there, a set much more diverse than either woman or hpv.
asciilifeform: or how windows are quite alike but broken pieces of window pane are each unique..
mircea_popescu: well, missing the mixing. but something like that.
asciilifeform: idungetit
BingoBoingo: Apparently the elliots think Whitey can't get a date?
BingoBoingo: Or that what dudes get azans because spooks and slants are taking all the white wimmins.
BingoBoingo: !!Up erlehmann
deedbot: erlehmann voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: i've seen it long time ago, but the only part i remember about it is the heavy handed agitprop. but that's the tail end of british empire, so there is probably something to "dependable serious folk". i think it was in a handful of war novels too (slaughterhouse five maybe?) the whole "british officer" thing
mircea_popescu: i vaguely suspect the whole point of the exercise is to somehow stroke the "womenz belong to us" fantasy.
mircea_popescu: "if i can't get one to be mine in private, maybe we could get them to be ours as a group ???"
erlehmann: so the first response to epigraph was like “why not explain a more interesting topic like ebola transmission?”
mircea_popescu: phf it was something else, the stoic british officer who fixes everything through being so very british!
mircea_popescu: except their notion of british looks more like "son of ghandi" than anything the actual 1790 brits would have recognized
mircea_popescu: let alone wanted to be under the flag of.
erlehmann: this is pure comedy gold. i bow before the abrasiveness http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672450
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 14:44 mircea_popescu: yes, there's an actrual technical reason. no, it can't be explained to you. because you lack priors.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann i dare say it couldn't have been said smoother-er.
phf: i'm going to rewatch it. this logs idea that british empire (or what was remaining of it) was destroyed in wwii made me reevaluate a lot of the 20th century events, and it's neat to look at these things through new frame
mircea_popescu: phf whole point of scholarship / life of mind, to review.
BingoBoingo: "No wonder the genetically superior brahmanas considered it the worst sin to so much as even lay their hands on obc gutter swines"
asciilifeform: what's obc
mircea_popescu: how are short shriveled brown men genetically superior.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what's obc << I'm guessing dalits. I dunno all their internal slurs
asciilifeform: wtf is 'amwf' again
mircea_popescu: i would guess asian male naked female
mod6: afternoon
asciilifeform: heya mod6 !
BingoBoingo: More lol: "sure, white society is obsessed with castration anxiety; fear of being cucked by blacks, muslim rapist gangs and the final myth affirming white masculinity was being able to 'out-masculine' the stereotype of asian males in white society. Shattering that myth with the reality of successful Asian men, re-affirms the belief in the white male that he himself truly is the beta cuck that he is."
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> In other near misses, an almost Omidyar's almost Qntra http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/06/08/teenagers-held-captive-and-gang-raped-at-st-paul-park/ << thanks for posting.
erlehmann: i don't get racist propaganda. if there is really nothing better holding people together than race, that seems like a very low common denominator.
mircea_popescu: what successful asian men ? speed slalom through bollards athletes ?
mod6: hi asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mod6: believe or not, i have fixedtime fixedspace karatsubatron going. but it still needs to get CONSIDERABLY shorter
mod6: !
mircea_popescu: erlehmann ever fucked women of a different race ?
BingoBoingo: erlehmann: I am having a lol.
mod6: asciilifeform: i can imagine that there's some stuff to it, ya.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu if with “race” you mean “skin color”, well, of course?
mircea_popescu: and didn't they smell weird ?
erlehmann: i only fuck what smells good, so no
mircea_popescu: i don't mean weird as in bad. i mean weird as in alien.
mircea_popescu is mostly persuaded the whole race thing exists on the basis of natural skin scent.
erlehmann: yes, but alien seems attractive attractive. actually, my own smell is also attractive to me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: got some multicoloured pets nao?
mircea_popescu: yes, but this marks you as a minority.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for a long time.
mircea_popescu off to town. bbl!
mod6: later
erlehmann: i once had a one night stand with a porn director. during sex, i figured out that her fluids smell exactly like mine. we were a bit weirded out by that, then went back to pound town.
erlehmann: i think scent can be attractive, but repulsive? i believe most people find “exotic” attractive somewhat. whiteys getting tanned, geishas having light skin etc. pp.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: recall the tshirt experiment ?
erlehmann: with the woman who could smell alzheimer's?
asciilifeform: !#s histocompatibility
a111: 4 results for "histocompatibility", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=histocompatibility
asciilifeform: erlehmann: nope -- see log ^
erlehmann: in general, i have the impression that whitey-whites tend to smell bad more easily
asciilifeform: wholly orthogonal to the mhc thing
erlehmann: so everyone wants to be michael jackson
erlehmann: a mix
erlehmann: neither black nor white, male or female, adult or child (… and now: dead or alive)
asciilifeform: 'everyone'
phf: well, "everyone". these fashion go through phases. 80s were all about androgyny for example to the extent that present time is no longer
erlehmann: implying i should work on my quantors
erlehmann: btw, i can voice myself (and will, if i have something to say)
phf: michael jackson rode on a tail wave of that, and really i would say that "everyone" wants to be michael jackson, but michael jackson wanted to be david bowie (not cause bowie is somehow good or superior, but because bowie was happening as jackson was rising)
BingoBoingo: ABOVE THAT: "Dating is part of the WMAF Hapa problem. Our #2 mod is called incelman. Hapa issues started gaining traction after Elliot Rodger blamed being half asian for being incel. The perceived unattractiveness of Asian males is a primary factor behind the huge WMAF imbalance. And a major point of r/Hapas is that the very sons of WMAF are hit by that anti-AM bias. So look we're not a bunch of angry incels just hating on women. We're m
BingoBoingo: uch above that. But dating issues, rejection, attraction are a part of the Hapa problems we describe. "
phf: i think these fashions are a balance between youthful rebelling and popular things that are normalized as time passes. but the present "race" narrative has nothing to do with anything, it's simply a fashion conversation.
erlehmann: > incelman
erlehmann: > elliot rodger
erlehmann: oh noes
erlehmann: phf fashion as in moral fashion?
phf: no, fashion as in fashion
phf: because adding any other qualifiers to fashion makes it somehow special. nothing special is happening here, it's a bunch of bored people trying out different clothes, signaling, etc.
phf: they heard that sometime long time ago cool people were doing tmsr (like maybe black panthers in the 60s), but back then was doing, now it's long long fashion. and it's obviously fashion because none of these posers have it in them to make a clean cut with a sword so to speak. an act that comes from conviction or desperation that is an act in itself. with no "purpose" to it
phf: so protesting and facebooking and posting pinterest pictures of molotov cocktail manuals that nobody's actually tried making in the their kitchen, etc.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: since mircea_popescu is away from his terminal, i'll fill in for him : 'tru men!' 'nature's garbage collector' etc
erlehmann: phf another case of “talking about X does not make you part of X”?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: "Should have hired nekkid chix to tend garden"
asciilifeform: it still boggles my mind : would you hire, e.g., a talking grizzly bear, to 'tend garden' ?
erlehmann: > Apart from war zones, South Africa’s murder rate is surpassed only by Latin American nations embroiled in gruesome battles between drug gangs.
asciilifeform: witness the chinese folx in africa -- they do no such thing, first thing they do is to put up a perimeter of barbed wire, mine field, and interlocking sectors of fire. and ain't nobody darker than proverbial paper bag, permitted inside, ever again.
asciilifeform: witness the 'smart brits of 1700s' -- how many indian gardeners?
asciilifeform: lol did they finally surrender to stupid
asciilifeform: ... or could simply be snow job to put the 'international komyooniti' off the scent
asciilifeform: ( chinese folx are observably clever enough to sometimes signal 'we kowtow' without actually ~doing~ any such thing -- as per the infamous july '15 forklulz
BingoBoingo: Or is cracker now a slur against Chinese work camp bosses?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672617 << bahaha, erlehmann's over there with yesterday's boxers on his head
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:13 erlehmann: yes, but alien seems attractive attractive. actually, my own smell is also attractive to me.
trinque: imagine the creature born with a scent repulsive to itself.
erlehmann: one opposite of “does something for me” would be “does nothing for me”
erlehmann: many people do not care about their own smell. i find mine really nice.
erlehmann: s/many people/many people i know/
phf: erlehmann: yes, but with two clarifications. i specifically don't think that "something", that one could be part of, is actually happening when it comes to "race" at the moment. (i might find out otherwise years from now, but it would be totally unrelated to the public conversation that's happening right now)
trinque: curious if shinohai's 'white supremacist' chick ever replied
asciilifeform: the 'somethings, such that One Could Be Part Of' is a thing with very exaggerated existence to begin with
asciilifeform: last i heard, the 1 place where everybody gets guaranteed admission ticket, is cemetery
phf: situationists actually were very sensitive to that subject, and notoriously trolled anyone who would imply there is such a thing as "situation-ism"
asciilifeform: ( and even there -- doubt, possibly only room in oven, for some )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: don't forget us schools
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i've personally worked with at least 2 d00dz who were drummed out of american school
trinque: I employ someone who was drummed out as "terrorist!!!!"
trinque: (for sending a prank e-mail)
asciilifeform: trinque: mine were back when it was 'hooliganism'
asciilifeform: but otherwise similar iirc
asciilifeform: so in point of fact ben_vulpes is mistaken, it is far from 'everyone'
ben_vulpes: speaking of 'middle'/'high' schools?
ben_vulpes: everyone gets ticket, some might get ejected but lord with the stories coming out of the inner cities i don't even give that much credence.
phf: (thinking some more i only had one clarification, second one relating to action/thought i don't think i have a good grasp on...)
trinque: ben_vulpes: high school, for changing a "From" e-mail header -> "lol email came from teacher"
trinque: the irony of this person being called a hacker makes me lol every time I have to get involved with setting up a printer.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: uppity white folx expelled at the drop of a hat
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'inner city' blax -- pretty much need murder conviction, to expel
ben_vulpes: yes well, "everyone gets ticket" and "cannot be expelled" are two distinct things
erlehmann: > Last weekend, in an attempt to get Sky's NOW TV video player (for Mac) to work on my machine, I noticed that one of the Cisco executables contains a private key that is associated with the public key in a trusted certificate for a cisco.com sub domain.
erlehmann: if that sounded good:
erlehmann: > I read the Baseline Requirements document (version 1.4.5, section 4.9.1.1), but I wasn't entirely sure whether this is considered a key compromise. I asked Hanno Bock on Twitter
erlehmann: because that seems like, the first thing that comes to mind when encountering embedded private keys, right?
mod6: ask a rando non-person first!
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/ford-turns-to-china-to-save-small-cars/ << Qntra - Ford Turns To China To Save Small Cars
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2753.88, vol: 14624.41527752 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2720.0, vol: 7819.6884 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2750.0, vol: 18166.34731933 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2887.009464, vol: 16054.26870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2741.001, vol: 6272.39731438 | Volume-weighted last average: 2781.22630363
phf: hanno bock is a stand in for "security community", sort of like preet bharara is a standing for american aparatchiks. they even look the parts!
phf: hmm, that last picture gave me a lizard overload for the day, did it to myself though.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672675 <<< Unfortunately never replied, likely thought I was trying to recruit her.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:50 trinque: curious if shinohai's 'white supremacist' chick ever replied
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672624 << hmm, i thought the way the set picked the director in the first place was "that one nobody really wants to fuck".
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:14 erlehmann: i once had a one night stand with a porn director. during sex, i figured out that her fluids smell exactly like mine. we were a bit weirded out by that, then went back to pound town.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672641 << this is eerily persuasive, actually. either bowie or diana ross.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:20 phf: michael jackson rode on a tail wave of that, and really i would say that "everyone" wants to be michael jackson, but michael jackson wanted to be david bowie (not cause bowie is somehow good or superior, but because bowie was happening as jackson was rising)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672642 << just you wait till these entitled cumquats living comfortably in the west find out what "AM" born in beijing has to accomplish to get even a vague shot at an unhappy, single-woman western style marriage thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:23 BingoBoingo: ABOVE THAT: "Dating is part of the WMAF Hapa problem. Our #2 mod is called incelman. Hapa issues started gaining traction after Elliot Rodger blamed being half asian for being incel. The perceived unattractiveness of Asian males is a primary factor behind the huge WMAF imbalance. And a major point of r/Hapas is that the very sons of WMAF are hit by that anti-AM bias. So look we're not a bunch of angry incels just hating on women. We're m
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean you can'tr afford to drop 2mn on a shitty matchbox appartment ?!?!?!?!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, no need to even go as far as beijing, we have this right here in northern gringolandia
mircea_popescu: you have nfi. you keep going "oh, we have fruits also in soviet union." no, you don't, your ethylene pinkomatoes aren't fit for a dog salad.
asciilifeform: the matchboxes, i mean
mircea_popescu: and no, you have nfi what real estate bezzle is until you rent for a while in shanghai
asciilifeform: what else.
asciilifeform: > nyc ?!
asciilifeform: ( not even to mention californistan )
mircea_popescu: ah. at issue was the social dynamic. "average income in your country is $500/year, which you can onl;y have in paper gift certificates, and shitty apartment that is prerequisite for maybe getting a bad blowjob on odd weekends is $2mn in gold."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're pale copies of china.
asciilifeform: they dun have konsoomer credit in cn ?
asciilifeform: ( or else why 'in gold' )
erlehmann: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672711 << some kind of porn peter principle, i guess?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 21:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672624 << hmm, i thought the way the set picked the director in the first place was "that one nobody really wants to fuck".
mircea_popescu: erlehmann either that or he's the least likely to get distracted.
mircea_popescu: (and, afore anyone asks, the porn ~~~PRODUCER~~~ ie what i did is the one who fucks when feels like, rather then as a group behaviour.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did it come about that pornproducer and porndirector are separate people ?
asciilifeform: ( and are they, typically..? )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672652 << you're definitely on to something there. the act without meaning is long gone in the world of "meanings" devoid of any acts. every single time withjout exception captain brezer0 runs into tmsr, the remnants splattered everywhere consist entirely of "here's this collection of signifiers i had"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:27 phf: they heard that sometime long time ago cool people were doing tmsr (like maybe black panthers in the 60s), but back then was doing, now it's long long fashion. and it's obviously fashion because none of these posers have it in them to make a clean cut with a sword so to speak. an act that comes from conviction or desperation that is an act in itself. with no "purpose" to it
erlehmann: i guess what asciilifeform wants for his porn is some kind of bed-rocking abstraction
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are, typically. much like fluffer and pornstar are separate.
erlehmann: fluffer is a job that does not exist anymore, prove me wrong
mircea_popescu: think in terms of the old crime world. producer is the fixer, he gets some guy's house for the weekend. director is the office manager, he makes sure all the cunts end up on the couch and all the film cans in the lab.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann entirely possible, i've not been watching for a long time now.
asciilifeform: aaah field- vs flag- officer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right.
asciilifeform: makes sense nao.
mircea_popescu: director can't be on the set. producer on the set is a clear symptom of serious trouble, like white cell count
mircea_popescu: i mean director can't NOT be on the set.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu i believe i got that information not from porn, but from what a porn director claimed
mircea_popescu: important to point out this is all memories from back when cameras weighed >20lbs and came with tape.
asciilifeform: for some reason i pictured mircea_popescu filming to celluloid..
asciilifeform: on 100 pound camera
erlehmann: mircea_popescu so did you do (semi-)professional porn?
mircea_popescu: im theoretically technically promising, but practically rather inept. i don't even drive.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann what's (semi-)professional ?
erlehmann: people involved expect payment i guess, but at a lower rate than full-time professionals
mircea_popescu: erlehmann i don't think anyone alive made as much money per time, at the time. so in this sense i guess i was a fully professional... banker ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672657 << because they hired the talking grizzly's papa back in the day (when they had muzzles and hot irons at the ready) and nothing has changed!!1
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:31 asciilifeform: it still boggles my mind : would you hire, e.g., a talking grizzly bear, to 'tend garden' ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672660 << loads, actually. it become fashionable to have black vallet sometime late 18th century, under french influence
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:34 asciilifeform: witness the 'smart brits of 1700s' -- how many indian gardeners?
mircea_popescu: !~google chocolat follies
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: black, note, not amerind
mircea_popescu: oh google you are so usefully intelligent!
asciilifeform: i.e. the folx on whom the hot irons worked ok
erlehmann: the director told me at our date that she tried to weed out the ones doing porn mainly for money during castings because it paid so bad and she suspected they would not be satisfied with the pay.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually mostly haitian and generally island - creole iirc.
erlehmann: it reminds me of startup culture thingies.
erlehmann: accept low pay to achieve stuffings!
mircea_popescu: erlehmann not even a bronze age, now. with all the "webcam" sadness. but there WAS a golden age.
mircea_popescu: i know, for i was there. and it was glorious.
asciilifeform: 'there was a golden age' of almost anything - even of begging: iirc the first d00d to conceive of begging via pisspal or what was it, made bank
asciilifeform: homo redditicus falls for the novelty
erlehmann: or greed
asciilifeform: and 100mil pennies is 1mil$, etc
mircea_popescu: eh, no, no. this was a golden age in the very true and proper sense of "like bitcoin", ie, realligning social order pressures available.
mircea_popescu: ie, "you tv folk can come in and see our hot gear on a wednesday but don't teach anything"
mircea_popescu: touch* loll
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider, if you're curious, the shift in the implicit social attitudes as reflected by mid 80s and late 90s sit coms.
mircea_popescu: porn changed the world.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was born a bit too late to properly notice this with own eyes: while he ~had~ paid for compilers -- never once paid for porn
mircea_popescu: moreover, the internet as a not-apple-paysite even exists in the first place because it allowed its silver age ; and in so allowing also destroyed, of course, but different discussion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, to properly appreciate the change one should have been born no later than 62 or so. be in your mid 20s in mid 80s.
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's head 'age of porn' is still synonymous with 'cheap svga card appears'
erlehmann: for those who know german, i can suggest „die läufige leinwand“ from christian kessler, a book about american hardcore porn from 1970 to 1985. maybe there exists a translation?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notrly. by the time broadband + sonycams hit, it was already gone, and i was already out.
erlehmann: i had a lot of fun with this and the goebbels diaries
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wasn't speaking of the 'age of porn-makes-money', i wasn't there to see either end of it.
asciilifeform: rather was thinking of age of 'too cheap to meter' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: golden age of porn was the vhs. silver age of porn was the early internet paysite, which if i recall the figures correctly were hit 80% dialup, then a few years later 60%, and then a few more years like 5% or so, and the cheap digicams were everywhere
erlehmann: (spoiler: goebbels was an angsty wimp, despised other nazis, described hitler as “his only friend”)
erlehmann: seems someone … did the deed?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, that. i dunno, really. filming physiology is not pornography. there's a certain intersection of cultural items to make porn, and i'd say it expired just about the time michael jackson was completing his diana bowie-ross morphism.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann pretty sure erryone knoes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as result, i suspect, of missing the 'silver age' etc, asciilifeform never imprinted on the various kabukis of the genre
asciilifeform: iirc we had an old thread about this.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but back upstack : it'd be perhaps fair to say that it wasn't porn ~per se~ that changed the world from pantsuit to breathable. it was the fortunate situation that just as the chick in every young household had been exposed to other girls outperforming her, the dude could then afford a cam and so he could go "ok, get to work bitch".
mircea_popescu: all renaissance works on this paradigm afaik. "bitch get to work" in a coherent and realistic (ie, with a real underpinning) fashion -> renaissance.
asciilifeform: this is a mega-point,
asciilifeform: something quite like it (ww2 crunch) created, e.g., su as industrial-power, for while that lasted
mircea_popescu: this confluence of a) forming an idea (why can't you deepthroat ? SHE CAN!) and b) having a lab is the key to all everytrhings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. "don't fucking tell me it can't be done, they've done it which is why there's bombs falling everywhere"
asciilifeform: and woe be unto you if producer (iosif vissarionovich!) shows up to the set!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know ?
mircea_popescu: "i'm not going away from here without a head in this here bag, so which head is it going to be".
asciilifeform aficionado of autobios of the period -- most recently, serov's. and this element -- recurs.
asciilifeform: it's the one fixed star in all of'em.
mircea_popescu: i will also note that there's a very interesting relation between... i mean! it is almost always the case culture shock engenders #trilema conversations. and it is at least in principle possible to measure how interesting rthey are ; and then to relate that value to just how shocky the shock is. it'd seem moderate shock like eg erlehmann works a lot better than full on blast splatting like the fly earlier today.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe for good reason.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've never seen anyone (other than fly going splat) in earnest that it was accident.
asciilifeform: *argue that
mircea_popescu: amusingly, 1970s parents even had internalised this whole thing into daily speech. "don't make me come over there!"
asciilifeform: 'as above, so below' (tm)(r)(the alchemists)
mircea_popescu: who, newton ?
asciilifeform: all of'em
asciilifeform: fractals before it was hip!11111
mircea_popescu delights at that complex joek.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 19:36 erlehmann: > I read the Baseline Requirements document (version 1.4.5, section 4.9.1.1), but I wasn't entirely sure whether this is considered a key compromise. I asked Hanno Bock on Twitter
asciilifeform: sorta why there even exists a twatter, or a bock
mircea_popescu: shit im not there yet. SPOILERS!
asciilifeform: whole orchestra plays, solely so that $schmuck knows exactly, who, where to 'ask'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for as long as there's slop trickle in stable, pig won't find truffles in forest.
mircea_popescu: very biologically-aware chumpatron.
asciilifeform: or even acorn in forest.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672689 << the other major problem with "race" as a wholly-devoid-of-meaning anglotard subcultural construct is that... well... it's a brand, see. licenseable, negotiable like any other "negotiable instrument" ie paper money. there's no substantial difference between "Black & Decker power tools hecho en Mexico" and "African with tribal tatoo made in Chicago" and finally http://trilema.com/201
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 18:54 phf: (thinking some more i only had one clarification, second one relating to action/thought i don't think i have a good grasp on...)
mircea_popescu: 6/usg-in-btc-a-history-of-constant-failure/#selection-51.0-51.49 "certified scientist" etcetera is nil.
trinque: curious bot behavior lately. the thing has to be receiving pongs from something, or it'd close and restart.
mircea_popescu: so in the same sense kentucky fried chicken isn't "something that is happening" nor "something you could be part of", neither is "african american" or white, or wmaf or w/e the shit already.
asciilifeform: trinque: no prizes for guessing from what!11
mircea_popescu: trinque getting spliced a little ?
trinque: guess so
mircea_popescu: hey, free practical nsa work lab you got yourself. instrument & enjoy.
mircea_popescu: and remember -- everything you see in usoviet lands is a state secret.
erlehmann: deedbot source code lives where?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672705 << this collapse is scam, i want my money back.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 20:25 jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2753.88, vol: 14624.41527752 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2720.0, vol: 7819.6884 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2750.0, vol: 18166.34731933 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2887.009464, vol: 16054.26870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2741.001, vol: 6272.39731438 | Volume-weighted last average: 2781.22630363
mircea_popescu: o, wait.
asciilifeform: relatedly, i've been seeing lines pop into existence on my client end in 2-3ln bursts
asciilifeform: the 'net splits' also splices.
asciilifeform: and their buffering -- is shit
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672706 << they do. and not forget, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-06#1318952 as a stand-in for shit-academia. though i suppose obama would work just as well, "constitutional law scholar". read motherfucking constitution of ghana.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 20:27 phf: hanno bock is a stand in for "security community", sort of like preet bharara is a standing for american aparatchiks. they even look the parts!
a111: Logged on 2015-11-06 22:33 ascii_field: 'Follow Bhagwan Chowdhry on Twitter'
mircea_popescu: holy shit, i had nfi preet actually married A DUDE.
mircea_popescu: or is that thing a camel.
asciilifeform: hey, gotta marry within caste..
mircea_popescu: by that point need a better caste holy shit.
asciilifeform: castes -- exist. and i can even see the argument, that one oughta be able to make the call from 10 metres, rather than burn away 10minutes of yer life listening to a wikipedian
asciilifeform: ( or whatver dalit )
erlehmann: “make the call”?
asciilifeform: erlehmann: ever heard of 'fof beacon' ?
asciilifeform: as used in fighter jet
mircea_popescu: are you proposing that pair of yetis actually look good to someone ?
mircea_popescu: i do not believe.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not necessary
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's this big bin of folx who ain't gotta look good to anybody, in particular.
mircea_popescu: they look like a poster image for "why india should not really even exist".
asciilifeform: they - stuck with one another.
mircea_popescu: no, they stuck with reddit.
erlehmann: asciilifeform you mean IFF beacon?
asciilifeform: erlehmann: in modern parlance aha
erlehmann: friend or foe
mircea_popescu: she could show him her tits anonymously while carefully hiding her face. they'd both get more sex and sex alikes mileage out of the arrangement.
mircea_popescu: anyway. AAA++ log, would catch up again.
mircea_popescu: can you tell by some pixels ?
erlehmann: no, actually, i can't
erlehmann: error level analysis does not yield anything
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3E3B6B6C4504FCCA206505232AD38A553ECE9B407028CA4FC0615706E7587115 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1653...0623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.126.230.17 (ssh-rsa key from 87.126.230.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (87-126-230-17.ip.btc-net.bg. BG)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3E3B6B6C4504FCCA206505232AD38A553ECE9B407028CA4FC0615706E7587115 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1655...3683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.126.230.17 (ssh-rsa key from 87.126.230.17 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (87-126-230-17.ip.btc-net.bg. BG)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE3054BE86A5AAAABF50B797F6DA6B65DD77CA4D814A5EF491F50EC6B2D7B284 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1655...3683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.140.251.244 (ssh-rsa key from 195.140.251.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MZ)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE3054BE86A5AAAABF50B797F6DA6B65DD77CA4D814A5EF491F50EC6B2D7B284 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1682...2313 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.140.251.244 (ssh-rsa key from 195.140.251.244 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MZ)
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