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pete_dushenski: mod6: openbsd commands worked! thx muchly. though i'm still getting crazy low bitrates with fg. consistently under 1000b/sec and some runs as low as 100b/sec.
pete_dushenski: and in other unexpected starts, mebbe humans aren't from africa after all ? http://archive.is/RzRji
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 04:38 pete_dushenski: mod6: openbsd commands worked! thx muchly. though i'm still getting crazy low bitrates with fg. consistently under 1000b/sec and some runs as low as 100b/sec.
asciilifeform: betcha the output has ~0 entropy also.
pete_dushenski: "The researchers investigated two fossils of Graecopithecus freybergi with state-of-the-art methods and came to the conclusion that they belong to pre-humans. Their findings, published today in two papers in the journalPLOS ONE, further indicate that the split of the human lineage occurred in the Eastern Mediterranean and not - as customarily assumed - in Africa."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i set it!!?
asciilifeform: on what ?
asciilifeform: and check your wiring
asciilifeform: ftr no FG ships without a 3day burn-in
pete_dushenski: on macppc openbsd 6,1 using stty. and maybe i will check my wiring!
asciilifeform: and what pete_dushenski describes , would not pass.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: compare with the photo
pete_dushenski: k wiring is fine. dunno how one would even fuck that up but anyways. more likely baud rate.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: post a sample of what came out of your hexdump -C
pete_dushenski: k just a min
asciilifeform: text plz
asciilifeform: wotpaste hexdump -C of above
trinque: http://sanangelolive.com/news/live-thought/2017-05-27/group-disregards-history-tirade-against-sam-houston << Channel 2 (NBC) in Houston reports there will be a counter-protest over the statue by open carry groups. Channel 2 quotes the vice president of Texas Open Carry David Amad, "Our event is to make sure they understand that one way or another that statue is not going anywhere."
trinque: that statue in huntsville is near the state prison; convenient for "antifa" round-up
ben_vulpes: it's all so delightfully DRAMATIC
trinque: seems even the portland nazis are long-haired derpy stoners.
ben_vulpes: i'm waiting for the max video to come out showing a complete failure of the two "victims" to "deescalate"
ben_vulpes: "oh you mean to tell me that you let a nutter on the train troll you into fisticuffs and then cut your neck open? hey it coulda been worse, he coulda stabbed you with a hiv needle and let you die slowly."
trinque: "omg you can't do this to *me*" on all sides of the day's nonsense.
ben_vulpes: what's the lafondism? never pick fights, and only engage on fronts you can win decisively on the grounds of overwhelming force and surprise?
ben_vulpes: i never did muster the energy to track down that photoset
ben_vulpes: toxic masculinity lol
ben_vulpes: i'd like to hear what constitutes nontoxic masculinity
trinque: > macho club
trinque: non-toxic but sadly not cage-free.
trinque: how they internalize such contradictions I'll never know.
ben_vulpes: cuckin is a habit
pete_dushenski: !!up CluelessNoob
deedbot: CluelessNoob voiced for 30 minutes.
CluelessNoob: WARNING: asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch.ben_vulpes.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch!
CluelessNoob: no comprende vpatch err.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hitting the hay. will endeavour to get you hexdump output soon.
pete_dushenski: CluelessNoob: where did you get the keys from ?
ben_vulpes: CluelessNoob: please to paste results of using gpg to verify patch in question against signature in question
ben_vulpes: at p.bvulpes.com
pete_dushenski: also, check that there are no weird characters imported into your files, which can happen depending on whether you used cat or curl or whatever CluelessNoob
ben_vulpes: also curious to know if you are following instructions from thebitcoin.foundation or what
trinque: chortle.
ben_vulpes: clearly asked too many questions, overloaded the clooqueue
ben_vulpes: queueless noob more like it
trinque: that's your toxic masculinity assuming she wanted to comprende.
ben_vulpes: strictly speaking masculinity is pretty toxic, can trigger an immune reaction
ben_vulpes: fevers, chills
ben_vulpes: both before and after injection of the lovin' spoonful
trinque: sperm allergy is factually a thing.
ben_vulpes elbows trinque in the ribs
trinque: !!up CluelessNoob
deedbot: CluelessNoob voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: CluelessNoob: hablas ingles o no?
CluelessNoob: si, tan un poco
trinque: posibilemente necesitas files en /home/user/.seals
ben_vulpes: CluelessNoob: usando los instrucciones en http://thebitcoin.foundation ?
trinque: como lo encontraste?
trinque: y que estas en ~/.seals en tu computadora
trinque: y ~/.wot
CluelessNoob: utilizado trilema.com
CluelessNoob: asciilifeform.asc asciilifeform.asc.foo ben_vulpes.asc mircea_popescu.asc mod6.asc trinque.asc
trinque: por favor paste en p.bvulples.com y link aqui.
CluelessNoob: ¿Es esto lo que quieres decir?
ben_vulpes: si es un llave lol
ben_vulpes: por favor, output de: gpg --verify .seals/asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch.ben_vulpes.sig patches/asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch
trinque: pretty sure he's using old instructions if he's using wiki.b-a
CluelessNoob: gpg: Signature made Sat 10 Sep 2016 03:03:18 PM MST using RSA key ID 2EF25247
CluelessNoob: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
ben_vulpes: i think that conjugation is right...
ben_vulpes: ah, lo siento CluelessNoob instruccion malo lo siento
CluelessNoob: Las instrucciones funcionan hasta que no.
ben_vulpes: y solos.
CluelessNoob: soy un idiota
ben_vulpes: esta bien, trabajas mucho y no es que malo
ben_vulpes: !!key mod6
trinque: !!help
ben_vulpes: escribes a disk y importalo con 'gpg --import'
CluelessNoob: He leído varios años de valor de los registros. Aún no entiendo.
ben_vulpes: luego, hablas con shinohai por favor
ben_vulpes: in other memorial daze, this gentoo box comes up but i cannot get x to recognize the screen
trinque: VIDEO_CARDS="whatever" ?
trinque: in make.conf
ben_vulpes: "nvidia", yeah
trinque: dmesg reports nvidia kernel turds all loaded?
trinque: if not, maybe not right modules built, maybe not right firmware present
ben_vulpes: guess not
CluelessNoob: ¡Muchas gracias por la ayuda! Me voy a la cama ahora.
trinque: latter expands to "in /lib/firmware" or "in initurd"
ben_vulpes: gracias CluelessNoob
ben_vulpes: ("it works if you work it so keep working it" oblig.)
ben_vulpes: trinque: this card may be old enough that i need a funky version of nvidia-drivers
ben_vulpes: probably nouveau getting a grip on the device first according to dmesg
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
BingoBoingo: ;;bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2312.9, vol: 13049.67986218 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2243.93, vol: 7868.15611 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2233.9, vol: 16967.95259176 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2245.401, vol: 9928.89270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2251.174, vol: 4925.24556151 | Volume-weighted last average: 2258.72205192
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 468829 | Current Difficulty: 5.95921917085E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 469727 | Next Difficulty In: 898 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 14 hours, 36 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662980 << a glaring plothole in "the martian" and his potatoes, too
a111: Logged on 2017-05-29 23:15 asciilifeform: well, d00dz who don't bother to figure out, how many joules of light even hit the 'garden', even supposing more than a few % ended up in food...
shinohai: !~later tell CluelessNoob http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663126 <<< Tiene razon ben_vulpes, con gusto te ayudare entender el valor de eso y mas.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 06:57 CluelessNoob: He leído varios años de valor de los registros. Aún no entiendo.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mod6: mornin'
shinohai: Morning mod6, mircea_popescu
mod6: asciilifeform, pete_dushenski, et. al. I noticed the slowness of reading from the USB-TTL too. i had mine set to read at 115200 baud or whatever, but still was only pretty slow. i don't have any metrics off hand.
mod6: can get some later. maybe need to change the baud setting, or even something different.
mod6: trinque & ben_vulpes : thanks for helping CluelessNoob.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 14:37 mod6: asciilifeform, pete_dushenski, et. al. I noticed the slowness of reading from the USB-TTL too. i had mine set to read at 115200 baud or whatever, but still was only pretty slow. i don't have any metrics off hand.
asciilifeform: iirc mod6 you posted a few dd outputs, it was always 7-8 as per spec.
asciilifeform: ftr , for people who refuse to read the source : FUCKGOATS emits at 115200 baud STRICTLY!!!
mod6: ah, well from my *linux* machine i was around ~7kb/s
asciilifeform: if you have your serial port set to anything else, you are getting crud !! and not entropic crud, either
mod6: or something
asciilifeform: mod6: ~7 is the rated output at room temperature
mod6: ALSO, forgot to mention, that openbsd `dd` doesn't have a 'fullblock' iflag or whatever, so that needs to be looked at a bit too
asciilifeform: mod6: i investigated , under most unixen it is safe to use 'cat'
mod6: asciilifeform: yup. just, openbsd with the config I was talking about yesterday didn't hit that. im sure it's just something on the openbsd side, ie. my configuration.
mod6: or how I'm trying to read from the serial
asciilifeform: try with 'cat'.
mod6: ok, if `cat` won't pad, or do any weird buffer hijinks, then i'll give it a shot.
asciilifeform: cat on some exotic unixen drops control chars
mod6: i was actually reading through `dd` (openbsd) impl yesterday.. -.-
asciilifeform: but ought to work in general today
mod6: ok will try later for sure.
asciilifeform: however if your system fails to set 115200 baud ( and on every box i have here, it is the default baud rate, HOWEVER you MUST turn off flow control )
asciilifeform: and hah, i think we nailed the problem pete_dushenski had
asciilifeform: and possibly mod6 , on bsd
asciilifeform: if you don't disable flow control ( in-band idiocy ) the os nukes the terminal whenever it encounters magic char
asciilifeform: ( iirc 0x03 )
asciilifeform: and hence it 'burps'
asciilifeform: and the output is unusable because now skewed
asciilifeform: ( because certain octets no longer appear )
asciilifeform: i encountered this nonsense when i built my very first prototype rng, iirc mircea_popescu even turned the resulting dialogue into a whole post on his www
asciilifeform: you gotta kill flowcontrol, folx
asciilifeform: as described on snsa www.
mod6: thanks asciilifeform
mod6: with OpenBSD, looks like I'll need to try (via http://man.openbsd.org/stty.1) '-crtscts'
mod6: to turn off flow control
mod6: or am I reading that wrong?
asciilifeform does not know, because his only openbsd box has a couplea cm of dust on it, and also lacks usb ports
mod6: ok, np. i'll dig into it later. we'll get to the bottom of it. just some weird config deal.
asciilifeform: though it ~does~ have a serial port , on the docking cradle (it's a 'toshiba libretto'), and perhaps i could dust it off
asciilifeform: ... or i could let the bsd aficionados take on this chore.
mod6: don't bother for now, just stick with whatever else you were doin'. I don't wanna get you off on a side-quest for this.
mod6: this issue seems completely unrelated to FG.
asciilifeform: FG transmits at 115200,1,noparity, and this is readily verifiable by anyone with an oscilloscope and eyes, or with linux box, or dos box. i will not be taking responsibility for every broken os on the planet.
mircea_popescu: lol ok ok/
asciilifeform: but if mod6 comes up with a recipe, i would like to include it in the manual.
asciilifeform: there may be other bsd folx , gritting teeth
asciilifeform: ty mod6 for putting in the sweat.
mod6: no prob!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 05:37 trinque: http://sanangelolive.com/news/live-thought/2017-05-27/group-disregards-history-tirade-against-sam-houston << Channel 2 (NBC) in Houston reports there will be a counter-protest over the statue by open carry groups. Channel 2 quotes the vice president of Texas Open Carry David Amad, "Our event is to make sure they understand that one way or another that statue is not going anywhere."
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 05:49 trinque: "omg you can't do this to *me*" on all sides of the day's nonsense.
mircea_popescu: dude the us is practically a solid block of comedy gold these days.
mircea_popescu: i can't wait for Respectable Person 2020.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 06:53 CluelessNoob: Las instrucciones funcionan hasta que no.
mircea_popescu: anyway, odds are he's got alf's old key.
mod6: ya, was thinking that myself. could have been something else weird, but he seemed to update to V99994 and then been able to get past the issue.
asciilifeform: either that or the lynx thing
a111: Logged on 2017-05-20 15:25 danielpbarron: and for those curious, here's what lynx adds >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/odgWG/?raw=true
mod6: ah, right.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/criminalfinances.html >> brits prepare to 're-investigate where the money came from' for all posh properties in london etc and confiscate if 'unclean'
asciilifeform: esp that of idiot 'oligarchs' from ru who thought that they could happily live to old age in the enemy's camp
asciilifeform: no word so far on what the brits will do when they discover that the 'sticker prices' for the golden toilets are a work of '2 old jews and their painting' fiction , and ~worthless on market
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who in his right mind would buy to live in london.
asciilifeform: dunno that they bought-to-live
mircea_popescu: i can't think of a worse clime.
asciilifeform: but to play the bubble
mircea_popescu: well... in that case they long ago sold.
asciilifeform: last iirc abramovich was still there.
mircea_popescu: oh, i'm sure HE's perfectly clean.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works.
asciilifeform: rumour has it, usg made 'offer' to various ru exiles; those who refused to put coin in the piggy, now 'have problems'.
mircea_popescu: there's rather pregnant demand for a country with a constitution specifically forbidding "provenance" verifications. put a pecunia non olet clause, win ~all the remaining capital.
mircea_popescu: curious if anyone actually raises up to the challenges of their time.
asciilifeform: theoretically, the swiss were this at one time
mircea_popescu: and they didn't do too badly with it.
asciilifeform: but i suspect there are 'physical limits' involved
asciilifeform: gigantic pile of money tears spacetime and creates modern-swiss.
mircea_popescu: i don't. i'm satisfied there's just idiocy of the "consensus seeking" nature involved, no more.
asciilifeform: expand?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with that view being that in bitcoin terms, swiss piles of money were lowest after ww2.
mircea_popescu: highest, prolly cca 1770 or such.
asciilifeform: being a piece of europe not wrecked at all by the war, was mega-boost
asciilifeform: just like it was for the swedes
asciilifeform: or usa.
mircea_popescu: didn't make that much dsifference, they were small.
mircea_popescu: a chocolate watch factory +- dun count for much.
asciilifeform: pirate coves also small
asciilifeform: but work differently, no need for own industry when you're pirate cove.
mircea_popescu: anyway, point being : the relative proportion of wealth stored there actually diminished throughout 19th and 20th centuries.
asciilifeform: as for 'pecunia non olet' countries, how about panama.
asciilifeform: how's panama doing these days.
mircea_popescu: so if it was the pile of wealth that "bent space and time", you'd have had swiss cucks cca 1810, rather than have them provide vatican guards as the respectable manly troop the us marine core tried to copy.
mircea_popescu: eh, panama's not a country.
asciilifeform: ( maybe just having gold parked , does not do much ? )
mircea_popescu: next coinbase is going to be a bitcoin bank, what are we doing here ?
asciilifeform: if contemplating 'who is actual country' based solely on where the yet-untungstenated physical au lives, possibly only cn is now 'country'.
mircea_popescu: it actually has a pretty close approximation of the "unreviewable source" principle, too.
asciilifeform: (and everybody else is simply screwing around in microshit 'excel'.)
asciilifeform: afaik in cn source is verymuch 'reviewable' once d00d falls into Official disgrace with pekin.
mircea_popescu: you don't have to take teh govt's money if you dun want to.
mircea_popescu: if you do, it'd also be wise to pay up, none of this is particularly controversial.
asciilifeform: dunno that all of the publicized 'corruption' trials have this trivial explanation, 'didn't pass the bakshish up the chain'
asciilifeform: but i've nfi.
mircea_popescu: without exception they're fraud in public funds, afaik.
asciilifeform: how many mega-magnates with 0 business with the crown, tho
asciilifeform: (if not in their l1 than l2..)
asciilifeform: even a soap seller could be portrayed as 'defrauding the crown with inferior soap' etc
mircea_popescu: all those theoretical concerns aside, chinese banks routinely handle arbitrary size deposits and their agents are amused at this white man "mony raunderin" thing
asciilifeform: q is whether they'll reinvent it when the time comes. like the swiss did, and brits etc
asciilifeform: when the external power source dries up
mircea_popescu: with this outlook it's a wonder you date.
mircea_popescu: why bother, they die anyway, no ?
asciilifeform: in point of fact there's plenty of 'normal' things asciilifeform does not do, because he does not expect to live long enough to make use of'em
asciilifeform: ( but we digress )
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "time comes" factor is traditionally thouht to deal with "population density", yet the inept west never dealt with pop density even vaguely close to what the chinese are handling ok.
mircea_popescu: perhaps a better measure is "hallucinated self-determination", ie uppity twerps pretending like they get to "make choices", something the chinese are very carefully keeping in check. this may continue indefinitely, in which case it might never even come, that time.
asciilifeform: density per se isn't interesting, but rather density vs carrying capacity. and iirc europe was pretty 'full', by this metric, in the 18th c
asciilifeform: and again in leadup to ww1
mircea_popescu: and china, in 18th c bc.
asciilifeform: fixed by exporting excess biomass the 1st time, by shredding with artillery 2nd
mircea_popescu: the problem is not really "carrying capacity" in any objective sense, but carrying capacity of pretense, as discussed in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24#1660840
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 16:37 mircea_popescu: gotta be teh dreamers, that's the only way the batshit insane expectations of 8 bn heros in their own stories can be "satisfied" after a fashion.
asciilifeform: cn folx are, overall, bright enough, i suspect that at some point they will wake up to the fact that they do not in fact need the euro/usa schmucks for anything
asciilifeform: not even in 'cock cage'
asciilifeform: 'dreaming' is powered by very real energy source. q is re why does the socket still supply current.
mircea_popescu: i imagine ~same reason socket still supplies current for the ~ton or so of hela in existance.
asciilifeform quite appreciated that ps0t, btw -- at one point , like many many people, handled HeLa with own hands
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now it's apparently in over half all other cultures.
asciilifeform: 'unpicky eater'
mircea_popescu: very hardy and hey, hygiene still mystery among the medical lab.
mircea_popescu: that's going to be a major butthurt, in the coming years, lots of stuff will have to be thrown out, and people dun really wanna.
asciilifeform: not so hard to separate by species, but that's about it
mircea_popescu: but shit can't continue, they even made a special lab to certify cultures etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re needing : white females have been historically the better selling slaves, in all cultures. i dun expect this will change.
asciilifeform: i think the mcamericans fixed this
asciilifeform: but who knows, maybe other end will learn to like 'heavyweights'
mircea_popescu: nah, for one thing it sheds and for the other, so breed them in captivity what.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RackRqPriHQ << for anyone looking for sensitivitymaterial, VERY DEEP FILM!!1
asciilifeform: i'm curious re the 'it sheds'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had some article where he describes the process. but what's the worst 'patient' he cured ?
asciilifeform: what does a 100kg chick look like after ? does skin hang like sad, empty dirigible ballonet ?
asciilifeform: paging BingoBoingo !
asciilifeform: perhaps he knows.
mircea_popescu: ah, no. even at mp heights, 100kg female will need extensive surgery to rehumanize.
mircea_popescu: not that it's not possible, these days, but how often will it be worth the hassle.
asciilifeform: ( on other hand there is some variation in tastes : e.g. it seems to asciilifeform that he likes gurlz with fully 2x the live mass of the ones in mircea_popescu's photos, for instance )
mircea_popescu: which photos ? i'm actually quite variant, there's all sorts.
asciilifeform: most of the memorable ones.
asciilifeform: but i have nfi what mircea_popescu keeps as 'inpatient' pets.
asciilifeform: it is possible that my entire picture is off.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, human female will be fifty something to seventy something or thereabouts. if you like big tits and big asses you'll be at the 70s side of it. 100kgs is really excessive even for adult males.
mircea_popescu: the problem with usian chicks isn't necessarily "being the weight of three girls" (mostly cuz i don't expect you'd talk to those), but this unhealthy / inflated aspect due to forced adipose growth for toxin burial. ~that~ sheds, once toxin intake is discontinued, of course.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/128E80AC450BC733931AD9633AABA3B88250990B5CFE16DEBC11B4EE2DC67641 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1443...5617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.110.144.28 (ssh-rsa key from 89.110.144.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (v14.ncsrv.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/128E80AC450BC733931AD9633AABA3B88250990B5CFE16DEBC11B4EE2DC67641 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1775...4807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.110.144.28 (ssh-rsa key from 89.110.144.28 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (v14.ncsrv.de. DE)
asciilifeform: the heuristic 'if i can lift $creature, it is not too massive' heuristic worx
asciilifeform: however asciilifeform's tastes are approx. mircea_popescu's-with-a-minus-sign, and aspects of this are detectable with naked eye even.
asciilifeform: !~later tell pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663051 >>>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0ZnRP/?raw=true << your setup is CATASTROPHICALLY broken, looks like misconfigured bandwidth and/or flow control
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 05:11 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://contravex.com/fg_test_alf.bin
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: the preponderance of 0xff 0xfd etc is screaming hint
asciilifeform: rs232 idle signal level is 'high'
asciilifeform: misbauding will typically looks like this to naked eye.
asciilifeform: this is also a good time to remind fols, THIS ^^ is the kind of thing 'rng testing' shines in, picking up misconfiguration/catastrophic os retardation/similar
mircea_popescu: i somewhat doubt you can deadlift 70kgs ?
asciilifeform: chick is easier than a barbell
mircea_popescu: because why, jet powered by her own queefs ?
asciilifeform: i dunno re mircea_popescu's barbell , but mine doesn't have hands and help the lifter by hanging on !11
mircea_popescu: well yes but so redefined you could possibly "be ab le to lift" a meteorite.
mircea_popescu: "fell on his head ; hung on."
asciilifeform: and ftr 70kgs afaik gives 0 trouble to a healthy d00d, whether in chick or knapsack or comp (e.g. my lispm)
asciilifeform: but chick is imho by far easiest 70kg!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe. they certainly have lower weights at the gym, if that matters.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> paging BingoBoingo ! << Prolly looks like biodiesel tank is fuller
asciilifeform: there is a related legend that, at one time exercise weights were forbidden in new york prison. inmates then began to use ~each other~ for weights
asciilifeform: massive 'circus' strong man practicing by lifting smallest d00d etc.
trinque: works great; see "acro-yoga"
trinque used to do this with hippy chicks in oregon
trinque: put woman on feet, squat her, etc
asciilifeform: moar fun than with dumb old iron, neh.
trinque: way more.
BingoBoingo: Not much, but a bit fuller
mircea_popescu: ah, that's certainly a great passtime, mixed yogas
asciilifeform: those who met asciilifeform at c2/c3 know that he is not mistakeable for circus lifter . but ftr can happily lift & carry 75kg pet.
asciilifeform: i suspect that people -- ~are~ easier to lift than dead crate.
asciilifeform: ( and iirc folx who transport corpses for a living, also record that the latter are considerably more difficult to move than the living )
mircea_popescu: there is that.
BingoBoingo: But who can lift HeLa?
BingoBoingo: !~google "Taylor Machine works X-700L"
phf: people reflexively shift weight when lifted, self-stabilizing into the force vector
BingoBoingo: ^ Can lift Helo, not out of dependence, but vertically
BingoBoingo: Anyways, people are the hardest load to lift.
phf: (that's also why aerial work with unprepared people works, until it suddenly doesn't: people get scared, start compensating intellectually, throw the balance out)
phf: weights don't self stabilize, so weightlifting is all about proper alignment of force vector (also fighting, running, etc etc)
BingoBoingo: Locally we lost a young white girl recently due to failure to surrender will and life in order to allow lifting. Used dope one last time, dope relieved girl of mortality.
phf: it's the kind of stiffness that makes one indistinguishable from a corpse
BingoBoingo: When of the spirit, it's the sort of stiffness that makes one a corpse
asciilifeform: phf has it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663357 << helo, unlike in the movies, is pretty hard for uninitiated folx to lift : ground effect is a bitch, gotta work the cyclic, the collective, the pedals, in sync properly
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 17:32 BingoBoingo: ^ Can lift Helo, not out of dependence, but vertically
asciilifeform: davout probably has the details.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Appologies, I intended to refer to not helicopter, but HeLa supertumor
asciilifeform: it is like to ask 'lift water'. how much.
asciilifeform: it's a single-celled thing.
BingoBoingo: Well, and the agar, and the trays...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: typically you'd use liquid culturemedia, rather than agar
asciilifeform: it goes into a flat plastic bottle
asciilifeform: ( with bent neck : you can vacuum up old 'soup' without denting the 'business end' of the bottle with the pipette )
BingoBoingo: I am not in the business of growing negro supertumors. I would probably use bleach.
asciilifeform: funnily enough there are things that will not die, in bleach .
asciilifeform: ( everyone who has cultured something -- knows this. exhausted culture soup goes into vacuum flask, which gotta be killed before you can empty into waste drum, and often this proves harder than expected )
trinque: I spent some time in a hospital this weekend, granddad had some cardiac plumbing done.
trinque: managed to navigate the place without touching a damned thing with hands
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> funnily enough there are things that will not die, in bleach . << This is when you use a different species of bleach
asciilifeform: we used iodine.
BingoBoingo: What's wrong with FOOF
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/usg-stoolie-noriega-dead/ << Qntra - USG Stoolie Noriega Dead
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you forgot bzhezinsky !
asciilifeform: one of the two great soroses
asciilifeform: ( the other one being, noshit.jpg, soros )
asciilifeform: there is much rejoicing in the free world, d00d finally bit it 2days or so ago
asciilifeform: 'rejoicing that he's dead, but sad that it wasn't in a noose'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: foof, lol. why not also nuke.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663378 << uv is usually the answer, though EVEN THAT is not good enough sometimes.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 18:11 asciilifeform: ( everyone who has cultured something -- knows this. exhausted culture soup goes into vacuum flask, which gotta be killed before you can empty into waste drum, and often this proves harder than expected )
mircea_popescu: then it's uv+ozone, and so on
asciilifeform: doesn't go through liquid well
asciilifeform: theoretically one could ionize the liquishit in a gigantic arc lamp, even. but even this, is harder than it looks
mircea_popescu: wait, soros died ?!
asciilifeform: bzhezinsky
asciilifeform: meanwhile völkischer beobachter does not disappoint , https://archive.is/ja4zY >> 'At Brown University, more than half the 49 allegations of academic code violations last year involved cheating in computer science. ... At Stanford... as many as 20 percent of the students in one 2015 computer science course were flagged for possible cheating'
mircea_popescu: im sure there's no cheating going on in "social sciences".
asciilifeform: they don't test for it
mircea_popescu: just as good.
asciilifeform: whereas still a few elderly 'enemies of the people' left in the comp faculty, who do
asciilifeform: they will, i expect, be dealt with.
mircea_popescu: time'll deal with them sure enough.
asciilifeform: even at ye olde backwater u. of maryland, there were persistent rumours, of profs who found, with simple perltron, gigantic cribbed segments of homework, and then ordered to forget-whole-thing by the dean, because perp was a blueblood
mircea_popescu: and being americans they whispered about it, because nobody can have a blog.
asciilifeform: some folx have blogs
asciilifeform: nontenured notquiteprofessors, however, rarely.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you forgot bzhezinsky ! << Will be a footnote later. My ire at USG is atm more actutely directed at USG.CIA's white girl killing narco bsns's
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they killed your particular pet ?!
asciilifeform: or some freerange one
BingoBoingo: Killed an appreciated wild one
asciilifeform takes off hat
asciilifeform: opium ?
BingoBoingo: One of those things. Go to meeting see pick up X day coin. A while later see them try again and pick up X milestone coin again. Last week discover "one last time" meant "one last time" that particular time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently
BingoBoingo: Police have opened investigation because opium deaths are now treated as murders by drug dealer. For some reason though I have a feeling Hussein Bahamas will not be taken into custody by Trenton, Illinois police for his role in growing Afghan opium imports.
asciilifeform: hey, bushinton meant it to go to ru , not usa!111
lobbes: https://archive.is/TpKBX << some lulz from mr. Musk; "not-too-distant Post-scarcity economy!11"
lobbes: Although, he does paint the accurate picture of the us population being destined to become slaves of nobody-in-particular. Just labeled as "UBI"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but Hussein Bahamas invited it to USA to further his white genocide agenda.
asciilifeform: not to rain on the parade, but must point out: moar fine folx, incl. pretty gurlz, nuked by walmatronium than opium
trinque: lobbes: "This is a set of ideas that I???ve tossed around with friends for a while. Unless something huge changes, this is probably the only viable solution." << oh, ok.
asciilifeform: i expect to get done in by it personally, if not by anything else first, and i dun even eat it ! ( it is however in the water , air, fraudulently mixed into $maxint premium phood etc )
BingoBoingo: The thing is walmartroniuomists dun learn anything that would be useful to Republican causes should they recover. Opiumist tends to pick up wide array of skills useful to fight against various USG's if only they recover.
BingoBoingo: That and Walartronium is more Clinton's fault. Current heroin glut is all on Hussein Bahamas for turning CIA into extention of his Choom Gang.
BingoBoingo: !~google choom gang
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: 'The Choom Gang ': 9 juiciest details from Barack Obama's days as a ...: <http://theweek.com/articles/475179/choom-gang-9-juiciest-details-from-barack-obamas-days-pothead>; Obama and His Pot-Smoking ' Choom Gang ' - ABC News: <http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-and-his-pot-smoking-choom-gang/>; A User's Guide To Smoking Pot With Barack Obama - BuzzFeed: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The ability to take anything that isn't bolted down and convert into a medium of exchange is an area my survey of current republican assets finds lacking.
BingoBoingo: And "recovery" includes criteria beyond simply "hasn't doped in X days"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 22:28 asciilifeform: aite, i'ma write..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al ^
asciilifeform: not mega-surprise : d00d builds and tests 'golden toilet' 'quantum effectz' rngs for a career
asciilifeform: so we have him, who won't test (phree!111) sample of FUCKGOATS...
mod6 looks
asciilifeform: bernstein, who would not even ANSWER message re phuctor
mod6: lol wtf
asciilifeform: i dun even have a handy 'unified theory' of this
asciilifeform: could be that academic sees letters from plebe as 'hey, a talking goat'
mod6: unified theory of ineptitude
asciilifeform: i dun even go so quickly to 'ineptitude' -- perhaps they are quite 'apt' but not at the job naively supposed by outsider.
asciilifeform: to play devil's advocate -- it is rather like if they were, e.g., mircea_popescu's pets
asciilifeform: they won't undress and juice for $rando .
asciilifeform: only for commander.
mod6: bah
trinque: you're talking to people that are ruled by "codes of conduct" and so on.
trinque: recall the guy who got burned at stake for wearing an anime shirt with hot chicks on it at cern.
trinque: and you're handing them a FUCKGOATS, lol
trinque: obviously this notion of christian respectability must die, but there it is.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 19:55 lobbes: https://archive.is/TpKBX << some lulz from mr. Musk; "not-too-distant Post-scarcity economy!11"
a111: Logged on 2016-04-11 19:56 mircea_popescu: "in the us the nsa has powers and bla bla bla. why are you crying, little boy" "I WANT TO GO TO THE USA!!11"
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663190 << ah. good find. that's almost certainly the culprit on openbsd. but god help anyone try to find ~only one~ such snag on the flaming shitpit that is macosx. *spits*. stty dun even pretend to work in 'terminal' because it doesn't talk to serial devices. at all. no luck yet with coolterm, quickterm, etc. either. they just... freeze.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 15:19 mod6: with OpenBSD, looks like I'll need to try (via http://man.openbsd.org/stty.1) '-crtscts'
mod6: werd. will try it later on my end. not with mac though. i don't use that crap.
pete_dushenski: good man.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: thx for looking into the problem from your end as well. s.nsa with the custom-o-service!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663444 << eh, what difference does it make. as i tell derpy girlies at least weekly, "you had your chance." was there more to it than that ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 20:48 asciilifeform: could be that academic sees letters from plebe as 'hey, a talking goat'
trinque: pete_dushenski: cu claims to be present on osx
pete_dushenski: hm. i might have to try that.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: point was, you can see with unarmed eye that it's misconfigured.
asciilifeform: i would have even said 'throw out the idiot os' but on linux also it defaults to flowcontrol-on
asciilifeform: because everything is a modem, or sumthing
Framedragger: damn, that response re FUCKGOATS somehow made me sadder than random $afk emotional things. "you had your chance" and any onus to follow-up is now on their end (demarcation line has been set), yes, lost cause, but still, damn. such a waste of flesh.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: why the sad? we dun really need that d00d for anything, afaik
asciilifeform: everything he had to say on subj, was in that mega-treatise, which you can read for phree..
Framedragger: of course. not much use in the first place. it's not about any mega opportunity / utility loss, just, d00d seemed ~healthy, there was no excuse (free! relevant shit!), and *yet*. i know the whole history of the forum is full of this, it's just fucking depressing what can i say.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: myea
asciilifeform: some folx would rather http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-30#1663156 than associate with 'terrorists', say
a111: Logged on 2017-05-30 14:37 mod6: asciilifeform, pete_dushenski, et. al. I noticed the slowness of reading from the USB-TTL too. i had mine set to read at 115200 baud or whatever, but still was only pretty slow. i don't have any metrics off hand.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 01:26 mircea_popescu: why not increase income ? it's the traditional approach.
asciilifeform: perhaps he wants, e.g., tenure, rather than to be thrown to dogs.
asciilifeform: ( and sure, occasional superstar mircea_popescuist pulls off 'money + hatespeechblog' in concert . but for mortals there is typically some degree of engineering tradeoff )
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah, taleb had a piece about that "thrown to the dogs" exposure (if that's the word): https://medium.com/incerto/the-skin-of-others-in-your-game-3f51d8ccc3fb - "independent academics" are not at all independent, etc etc (this also creates the "give advice without skin in the game" issue, so on.)
Framedragger: (not that this is original at all, just another articulation of same old.)
Framedragger just wondered if one of the functions of "concents" in stephenson's anathem (which i haven't yet read) are to reduce this kind of "but i have two cats and mortgage!" compromise possibility for scientists and the like
asciilifeform: Framedragger: entirely
Framedragger makes sure 'tis in reading list
asciilifeform: imho idea is approx as realistic as the space ship in same -- but entertaining yarn nevertheless.
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform would sign up without a 2nd thought.
asciilifeform: but stephenson carefully specifies!11 that concents live in alt-world where people are slightly less dumb.
mircea_popescu: !!up renzo
deedbot: renzo voiced for 30 minutes.
renzo: Hey, what's !!up?
mod6: nada
mircea_popescu: gives you the ability to speak.
renzo: Ah great
renzo: Have to admit i haven't visited your blog since the time of the DAO hack... Mircea, what do you make of this ETH bubble?#
mircea_popescu: you know how it goes when you get the flu and ancient cold sores also flare up ? bitcoin climbs, as a result all sorts of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657609 / bs "feel involved" and relevant and whatnot.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 22:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did yarvin / urbit EVER do anything other than selling "space" of various description ? it's like reddit by now, wut.
mircea_popescu: they aren't, of course, but what's that to do with feelings.
mircea_popescu: one day around noon i bought a girl in the street in nantucket ; by nightfall the respectable housewives all the way down to whitechapel and all the way up past maine had re-evaluated their priceless litter accordingly.
renzo: how much for?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger asciilifeform you will notice that the perceived problem is very unlikely to be a genuine problem. to use the familiar field of sexuality -- people also don't hit up on girls, and in direct proportion to how hot they are, because they perceive possible harm may come!!1
mircea_popescu: trying to protect people from things they imagine isn't likely to yield results.
renzo: can't argue with that, how does one protect someone from something that exists only in their heda
renzo: head*
mircea_popescu: fwiw, and not so long ago, the ~same "academics" would have hid that they were born black, say, for same vague "fear of reprisals". or, for that matter, gay. what exactly changed, there's no more reprisals nao because what, let me guess, awareness has been risen ?
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking reprisals. so some stuck up brits asked some german physicist living with two women to kindly go away. ok, so ? some other people gave him a different-same job.
mircea_popescu: for all the blather, the famed "blacklisting" of communists did ~nothing, and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: but the supposed "fear" merely translates a desire, which is the desire to be not-different from the rest. which... hey, everyone's entitled to be plain, boring, lame an' as ordinary as their wife can stand.
mircea_popescu: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: Is anyone aware of "magic" shared libraries that must be included with a linux distro to work? When I build a MasamuneRescueCD fdisk -l does not see any disks, nor does lsblk, in spite of my including all shared libraries required by lddtree --list
gabriel_laddel_p: emacs, htop, mc, sbcl all work fine, but X11 & fdisk do not, which sort of screws me. strace works, but tracing the X process does not turn up anything useful
trinque: sounds like you didn't pack along the right kernel modules, or otherwise didn't mount dev correctly
trinque: afaik linux always mounts /dev automatically these days, so I'd suspect the former.
gabriel_laddel_p: Oddly enough, the fdisk binary from https://www.phenix.bnl.gov/~purschke/RescueCD/ works, even though I have a different kernel than it ships with (the masamune one), and different shared libs (masamune ones).
gabriel_laddel_p: I would have thought that it was compiled statically, but lddtree turns up deps
trinque: pasting an error would be a start; missing libs would be a pretty recognizable barf.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: there is no error to paste. Nothing is missing, nothing shows up as missing when I strace it.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: it just doesn't detect anything
gabriel_laddel_p: I will double check that all kernel modules are being included, but could have sworn I got em all
trinque: dmesg is your friend.
trinque: also inspecting /dev for the presence of your block device.
trinque: you will see after having loaded the driver for whichever block device, that sdb1 and so on were created.
trinque: in dmesg.
gabriel_laddel_p: why would I have to load a driver for a block device? and sdb1 and so on and so forth are NOT created, no seen anywhere
gabriel_laddel_p: which I suppose credits your /dev/ is not being populated correctly theory
trinque: you could certainly turn off the driver which would present your sata drive if you got too uncheck-happy configuring your kernel.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I'm the very opposite of "uncheck happy", I use the VERY SAME kernel binary being used in
gabriel_laddel_p: "userland"
gabriel_laddel_p: it isn't minimal in any sense.
trinque: dev is mounted, yes?
trinque: done by /etc/init.d/devfs
trinque: maybe the kernel is mounting /dev in an initrd, but when leaving initrd, nobody's attaching it to the new root.
trinque: not looking at the thing in question, so don't know.
gabriel_laddel_p: I don't have it in front of me either so idk. Have not touched this project in a ~month or more. That /etc/init.d/devfs exists is news to me, and will try messing with it next
trinque: on my gentoo box it is part of the "sysinit" runlevel.
mod6: I haven't gotten openbsd to do quite what I want yet, even with the -crtscts flag set for stty.
mod6: Will report if I get it figured out.
phf: re fdisk: check that you have /sys mount
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6D78CEE3D6AFEA2E04CC0ABC29C0013156DCBFC2FD218686EA0470CFEC004DBD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1748...8837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '128.101.111.12 (ssh-rsa key from 128.101.111.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (tcfreeways.itslab.umn.edu. US MN)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6D78CEE3D6AFEA2E04CC0ABC29C0013156DCBFC2FD218686EA0470CFEC004DBD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1512...2087 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '128.101.111.12 (ssh-rsa key from 128.101.111.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (tcfreeways.itslab.umn.edu. US MN)
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