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jurov: iirc in murica the lines have like 1-2kV and everyone has own transformer?
Framedragger: new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)?
Framedragger: also not sure how easy it'd be to do the "have JS run, then save the resulting no-JS snapshot" thing (for having properly rendered copies without JS in them.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652105 << can make your own tools for as long as you can live with them. the output is sane ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 11:39 Framedragger: new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)?
trinque: Framedragger: iirc archive.is uses headless webkit
trinque: why did you skip over wget -R ?
mod6: mornin'
BingoBoingo: In other idiotgeneering, Neighbors on the other side of the Mississippi are bitching and moaning about "OMG, towns [a,b,c] have had second 500 year flood in 18 months!!!" meanwhile only marginalized commentators are raising the issue of "Why did we let the Chesterfield valley get levees and suburbs?" Apparently people raising the issue that building levees for new construction turns meandring floods into energetic and giant log flume rid
BingoBoingo: es are the ones who don't know how the world works...
trinque: mircea_popescu: wget -R will suck down every URL it finds, js included
mircea_popescu: hey, us public discourse is == marketing talk, and there's no marketing benefit in pointing out "real estate" is neither real nor valuavble.
trinque: * wget -r
mircea_popescu: trinque yes but not process and render it, is the thinking
trinque: ah if one wants some kind of preview before loading the archived site, yes, can't get that
mircea_popescu: i thought one only wants the previews.
mircea_popescu: why would anyone save the ajax pile of bullshit. "modern" web dev has no place in the present let alone to be preserved for the future.
trinque: certainly not.
trinque: so archive.is waits for the DOM to render, then what, serializes that back to HTML?
mircea_popescu: it appears so
trinque: got it; was trying to understand why have a browser involved in the archiving
trinque: I don't run JS in either case
mircea_popescu: to get rid of usg idiot party
mircea_popescu: heck, if everyone forgot how to "web 2.0" tomorrow, this'd be a greater gain for human culture than the discovery of fucking penicillin.
trinque: sure. Framedragger meanwhile with a headless chrome will have all the attack surface anybody ever wanted
trinque: will want to consider that as he puts things where
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-1-sorry/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 1 - Sorry.
BingoBoingo: Oh my, Pam's going to find some dick with initiative!
trinque: Framedragger: https://github.com/o2platform/chrome-repl << ever see this? might be a way to snag teh html tag's outerHTML
trinque: ah you know what, that wasn't even the thing
trinque trying to recall whatever he used to jack chrome into emacs
trinque: https://chromedevtools.github.io/devtools-protocol/ << was some elisp that ate from this
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers! anyone who noticed that his trb wire to dulap dropped last night -- the thing was rebooted (without my permission) ~13 hours ago.
shinohai: wb asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ty shinohai
ben_vulpes: oh interesting, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: that wouldn't lead to a node pegging 100% cpu, would it?
BingoBoingo: In other news, Canada is trying to start a Dairy trade war with US\
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not afaik
ben_vulpes: didn't think so.
ben_vulpes: A MYSTERY
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652115 << trinque -- not only does this mean that you (reader) are stuck with executing js - but also that it can DYNAMICALLY load turdolade from the original www (which may or may not still be there, or be the same as before)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 15:14 trinque: mircea_popescu: wget -R will suck down every URL it finds, js included
asciilifeform: so wget and any similar mechanism, is quite worthless for archiving hostile www.
trinque: nonsense.
trinque: and removing those tags > running the thing through a giant wad of browser
trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
trinque: supposing someone does want to read, sure, doing this is the only means
ben_vulpes: how is one to hoist the morons upon their own words if they're only legible with js?
trinque: man I don't want to read every livejournal before condemning
trinque: the nuremberg that lasted eternity
ben_vulpes: and when nate silver tires of the archiving of his bad predictions?
trinque: !#s enumerating badness
a111: 11 results for "enumerating badness", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=enumerating%20badness
ben_vulpes: we possibly speak past each other.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652151 << ~whole point is to archive völkischer beobachter et al. the folx who work day and night to make it difficult.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
asciilifeform: otherwise 'unhappening' is far too easy.
trinque: I guess I remain unconvinced that I ever gained anything paying attention to them
trinque: but am not prepared to argue that's the general case
asciilifeform: not as such
asciilifeform: but to pay attention to the specific pattern of what is lied about -- gained, yes.
asciilifeform: this is quite difficult without archiving.
trinque: I see a bias of my own here, towards tuning out noise.
trinque: the archiving of them is indeed relevant to the historian
trinque: for archiving the few sane folks in same time period, no js required
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/upCny/?raw=true << makefile. this will work everywhere but crapple, where static linking is entirely dead. ( will work there also if you discard the relevant flags. )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: subdir 'bin' must exist.
asciilifeform: this also gives you automagic flymake support in emacs
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tBbGD/?raw=true << well, not quite automatic, you need this in your .emacs .
asciilifeform: ^^^ mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al -- complete gnat magics ^^^
asciilifeform: lol another heathen deedbot.
asciilifeform: 'supporting partners' 'cloudflare' 'harvard'
asciilifeform: and of course archive.org ( why does usg need TWO of these ? )
trinque: diversity strengthens us (and fattens the budget)
asciilifeform: mod6: lemme know if you have questions re the makefile. you will notice that there are multiple knobs.
mod6: ok will look in just a sec here.
mod6: thanks asciilifeform
asciilifeform: that ain't all :
asciilifeform: there is another util, called gprbuild
asciilifeform: it comes with adacore's gnat, but with the vanilla gnu one, you gotta build it by hand
asciilifeform: it displaces gnumake entirely
asciilifeform: in favour of a more intelligent, ada-specific thing
asciilifeform: see official docs for what all of the knobs do, my paste only shows the very basic ones.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, so that's what it was.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rhezw/?raw=true << very helpful professional isp, i'm like... "oh, MY SERVER. that's unambiguous enough."
ben_vulpes: psh why would anyone ever need more than one server
ben_vulpes: just containerize everything you do
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652151 << people making fun of morons, for instance.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i ordered a kubinetes book but got instead an ikea box.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you thick? it comes with instructions
ben_vulpes: just bolt the jet to the submarine
mircea_popescu: yes but it put together a maschinengewehr 42 when i followed wthem
ben_vulpes: oh that's odd
ben_vulpes: are you sure you're reading the romanian instructions and not the argentine ones?
ben_vulpes: also have you tried rebooting your cardboard
mircea_popescu: it's all in broken pigdin anyway
ben_vulpes: oh there's your problem, the broken pigeons hold it all together
mircea_popescu: i see ty for help a+++ would quora again.
ben_vulpes: plz rate if this answered your problem
mircea_popescu: !!rate ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: mark as resolved
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems odd, the phrasing, 'a network segment associated with your server', as if only the lan had gone down
asciilifeform: ( whereas in fact entire box did )
mircea_popescu: i don't expect by now there's any relation whatsoever between the mouth-like organ and the arm-like organ of the vaguely organised amoeba colony.
asciilifeform: i thought this was a vaguely-sane d00d, not amoeba...
mircea_popescu: i broadly inferred that "something happened".
mircea_popescu: !#s cherry servers
mircea_popescu: odd, figured prominently in the previous "we need isp" installment.
trinque: could've been power outage and network segment refers to area of DC
mircea_popescu: on the strenght of the text as it is could just as well been guywith molotov for the same money.
asciilifeform: aha, anything from tripped cable to asteroid
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ^^^ mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al -- complete gnat magics ^^^ << aha. thx.
mod6: fwiw, i don't emacs or whatever it is.
mod6: but, let's not worry about that for now, i got a working env on my side.
shinohai doesn't emacs either so all of last thread was lost on him.
asciilifeform: shinohai: makefile for static binary.
asciilifeform: ( everything else -- extras )
asciilifeform: https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/10/20/exile-rather-than-servitude-the-english-leave-for-constantinople << in unrelated olds. lulzy www , generally. reminds that not all liberasts are illiterate, even today.
mircea_popescu: "people matter more than power" eh ?
mircea_popescu: what fucking people.
mod6: Hi all: Ok 3rd run of entropy collection & `ent` & `dieharder` tests are done on FG #3: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.ent_run3.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.dieharder_run3.txt
mod6: On to FG #4...
mod6: asciilifeform: hey!! Thanks for the makefile :]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fella's a bit fixated on normal conquest, berber slavers, conscripted sailors. might even be a candidate for one of your cuckold stories.
asciilifeform: *norman conquest, lol
asciilifeform: pretty well read , overall, which is rare for the type
mircea_popescu: he;'s basically interested into losers BECAUSE losers.
asciilifeform: paging BingoBoingo !11
BingoBoingo: The obeast's toes are out of frame for a reason http://www.podiatrytoday.com/files/pt12tma1_1.png
BingoBoingo: And apparently US DOJ refuses to yeild to Trumpreich orders re:"What's a body of water?"
asciilifeform: 'This is what nobles do. The Duke of This or the Baron of That, the King of France or the Holy Roman Emperor, they called themselves warriors but actually they were just armed and heavily armoured thugs. If they weren’t leading their men up the hill to their death, they were leading them in the slaughter of the enemy. Sometimes in these battles the nobles died too. But in the middle-ages, in the so-called Age of Chivalry, while the
asciilifeform: y expected the common soldiers, their ‘men’, to be slaughtered without mercy, they expected that if they themselves were facing defeat they would be able to ‘yield’, to be taken prisoner, to be treated honourably while awaiting the collection of a huge ransom paid for their release. The ransom money of course had to be ground out of their ever-suffering tenants and serfs back at home.' << lulzy
asciilifeform: more typical yet, https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/dont-sit-like-melvyn-bragg >> 'I for one have the utmost respect for Churchill as a war leader, but what about Churchill as an aristocrat? What about his wealthy and privileged background? Where did the wealth to build Blenheim Palace come from? What had his ancestor John Churchill, The Duke of Marlborough, done to deserve it? Who were his victims?'
asciilifeform: i actually find orwell quite considerably less outrageous than linked d00d. in the time of o it was at least possible to imagine the commoners whom, if, e.g., churchill, had not eaten, might have 'done great things'. but today ?
asciilifeform: when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ? << Or local news bitching about how they plan to rebuilt their thrice washed out property, because apparently the watershed that took everything from you thrice did not bring enough pain to negate "good memories at the old house(s)"
BingoBoingo: Flood insurance reform now
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why not houses on stilts, as in vietnam ??
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Those exist in saner river proximity construction
BingoBoingo: Instead the vermin bitch and moan that the nest they keep building in the culvert keeps washing away
BingoBoingo: We're going to need bigger conibears
BingoBoingo: This is exactly vermin behavior of the same sort asciilifeform observed when he saw squirrels hapily munching nuts while resting on dead squirrels
BingoBoingo thinks that was alf's story
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was in a linked video from hunters
asciilifeform: 'the murdrum fine did not extend to any Englishman who was murdered. The law was explicitly introduced to help deter the English from murdering their Norman French conquerors and to punish the English community when they did so. If a Norman lord could prove that the person murdered was English he would avoid paying the fine. This became known as the ‘Presentment of Englishry’ and was not abolished until the late fourteenth centur
mod6: just made this amazing venison & porkbutt burger w blue cheese.
mod6: it's hard to do venison right, but when it's good, it's really good.
mircea_popescu: what duke of this called himself "a warrior" and what the holy fuck, i thought this guy was supposed to be literate ? wtf happened at, say, agincourt ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reddit commoner existed in the time of orwell just as well.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i had cashew paste (little butter, hint of balsamic, fenilgreek and tarragon) salmon. with a very fine bottle of chianti. just waking up from the food coma.
mod6: wow. that sounds awesome too.
mircea_popescu: yes, but who were our victims ? we call ourselves web developers (we do ?) but what about all the wealth and priviledge ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: shmucky mcschmuckson has the utmost respect for us as novel writers, note.
mircea_popescu: marlborough palace, he fucking found it.
mircea_popescu: guy brought back the whole of the spanish colonial empire, england indian-gifted him a shitty palace.
mircea_popescu: possibly the best piece re englishittery, that story. the normans were fucking right and truly should have exterminated that most miserable race.
mircea_popescu: well, latin idea originally, but anyway. latins couldn't bring themselves to care. i can readily see why.
mircea_popescu: anyway. three fucking kings did john, duke of marlborough make. just like warwick centuries prior.
shinohai: http://archive.is/NK7PT <<< Clitler Deja-Vu
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-2-as-chance-had-it/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 2 - As chance had it.
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