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shinohai: One sec, lost jhvh1 in netsplit
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1505.95, vol: 11498.06020734 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1402.799, vol: 10509.1831 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1614.4, vol: 17193.86019088 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1237.444551, vol: 13250.12280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1513.368, vol: 5061.21710821 | Volume-weighted last average: 1458.31605317
shinohai: Dem Buttfunions
BingoBoingo: That's a good one
BingoBoingo: brb, sleep
mod6: night
mod6: !~later tell mircea_popescu Hi, does seem like my gnat woes were system environment related. Was able to compile alf's ffa after splitting up the file: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Nl0EP/?raw=true
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mod6: Crap. Forgot to add that the gcc version on the one that worked was GCC 4.9.2. Maybe that's my problem with my broken env., gnat version doesn't match the GCC version.
ben_vulpes: in unrelated arse-digitalia: "If she is curious about encryption, she should find the Internet's best tutorial on the workings of the RSA algorithm."
ben_vulpes: "Philip and Alex's Guide to Web Publishing" has some gems
ben_vulpes: mod6: i think it's grand
ben_vulpes elbows mod6 and whispers quietly in his ear "hey see if you can get him to do the eulora coppers while you're at it"
ben_vulpes: endless lulzrabbit hole, this: "I seriously considered quitting the industry in 1997 when Apple Computer was concluding its acquisition of NeXT. Imagine if the president of General Motors said, in 1997, "It has come to my attention that our cars are kind of clunky and unreliable. Don't worry, though. We're rectifying this problem by licensing the blueprints to the 1985 Toyota Camry."
ben_vulpes: and from le wik: "One of Greenspun's most famous students is Randal Pinkett, who built an online community for low-income housing residents in Greenspun's 6.171 Software Engineering for Internet Applications course."
phf: mod6: this is anathem, but you could split the learning of ada and the build from sources into separate unrelated projects by downloading a prebuilt binary from adacore. that's what i did first, http://libre.adacore.com/download/ unpack whatever version ./doinstall puts all the binaries (including its own version of gcc) into a subdir structure you specify
phf: it also gives you a working gps (gnat programming studio) which is handy if you don't emacs (and even if you do, it's a semi-proper ide with context sensitive completion and code validation)
phf: afaik gnat is built as part of gcc, i.e. it's one of possible artifacts produced during gcc suite compilation, so you shouldn't have a situation of non matching versions, and if you do it's most likely not going to work right. the easiest approach is to build matching gcc/gnat into their own directory structure, and change PATH when you're working with gnat projects. i think package managers going the other way and try and carefully match gcc/gnat
phf: versions (at least that's what pkgsrc does)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 02:05 mod6: ben_vulpes: thoughts?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 03:12 mod6: here's the results from FG #3, second run of entropy collection1.1Gb worth. `ent` && `dieharder` results: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.dieharder_run2.txt
mircea_popescu: "You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you." huh. not bad.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 05:00 mod6: Crap. Forgot to add that the gcc version on the one that worked was GCC 4.9.2. Maybe that's my problem with my broken env., gnat version doesn't match the GCC version.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651637 << quite, yes. dude's always been my mental model for "irl george costanza".
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 05:41 ben_vulpes: "Philip and Alex's Guide to Web Publishing" has some gems
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651645 << chiefly because nobody seems to grok hl the master of the rolls' point. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-02#1651098
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 10:14 phf: versions (at least that's what pkgsrc does)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-02 19:43 trinque: how about... users
mircea_popescu: there's users, there's directories, and then there's a bunch of gnats trying to reinvent the wheel so they could call it gneel and LIVE FOREVER IN MEMORY OF MAN!!11
mircea_popescu: fucking brain parasites.
shinohai: Buenas dias Sr. Popescu y los demas de Trilema
mircea_popescu: we claim dis gorge and we shall call it disgorge!
mircea_popescu: "maximum return" for shareholders and other gems of the soviet state.
shinohai: In Soviet Russia, money disgorges YOU.
mircea_popescu: "It’s a bit like the homeowners “using their houses as ATMs” during the 2000s, except that the shareholders don’t get stuck with the mortgage payments. The ­businesses’ workers and customers get to share the pain."
mircea_popescu: fancy that wonder. putting money down the line, with no kind of collateral whatsoever is not "sharing the pain". none of that obnoxious http://trilema.com/2015/other-peoples-money/#selection-77.0-77.47 oh no.
mircea_popescu: instead, the "workers", michael moore's http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-193.214-203.38 , those schmucks who spent all their day trying to put in less work THAN WHAT THEY WERE PAID FOR. those "sharei n the pain". what fucking pain ? the pain of ~their future expectations~ of tits continuing to bleed ambrosia in their open mouths going away.
mircea_popescu: "Firms’ investment decisions, then, don’t depend on current earnings or credit conditions; they depend on whether management can propose projects with high enough returns to convince shareholders to leave “their” money inside the firm." << get a load of that. quotes. not around "workers" and not around "our" democracy. but around "their" money.
mircea_popescu: the schmuck in question, http://www.jjay.cuny.edu/faculty/j-w-mason actually thinks he's an economics phd/asssistant prof etc.
shinohai: http://userfeeds.io/ <<< "Allow your token-based community to create their own view of social media destinations" - But further down the page "Want to find out more? Check out our Medium blog."
shinohai: Because naturally the shit doesn't work yet.
mircea_popescu: not really. more because octopus arm gotta signal its attachment to octopus so the other worms know what's what.
mircea_popescu: basically the reason we keep ending up with the empire of stupid "running things" instead of the republic of the smart, is because smart people look at stupid people and can tell they're stupid, and then imagine this means something. it does, in some places. in other places it does not : the stupid can still recognize the stupid and band together.
mircea_popescu: most of the activity of the stupid is channeled to this "constructing the dogvomit" activity. it's not like "oh, stupid did something stupid, it dun work." it's always "stupid did something to signal to stupids that didn't happen to have other effects".
mircea_popescu: goes right back to that discussion re spam, "oh how could anyone expect to sell something when they can't even spell". except he's not trying to do anything other than signal to other dumbasses, "hey, here's dumbassery". they then merge. that's all that's going on there.
shinohai: Not surprisingly, the main "investor" here is coinbase founder Fred Ehrsam.
mircea_popescu: this "stupid signalling" approach explains 100% of the activity of the idiots.
mircea_popescu: compare and contrast "Production can only be carried out successfully by managers who want to make things, and not just to make money." from the marxist idiot masquerading as an economist with the "We thought we were ready, but then everyone arrived. The team was overwhelmed. The airport was jam packed. The buses couldn’t handle the load." of the very manager he's talking about, passionate of "the ocean" and "technology" bu
mircea_popescu: t innumerate.
mircea_popescu: yes, it sounds way the fuck better in the abstract (if you're clueless, entirely devoid of either experience, any faculty for thought and any inclination to resolve either). but it's the same god damned thing -- the desire of "visual thinkers" to introduce new glyphs in the alphabet so they don't get "constrained" in their "creativity" by the present set exactly mirrors the need of the house fly to get some garbage going so i
mircea_popescu: t can lay its eggs somewhere.
mircea_popescu: point fucking remains : people who "just want to" "creative" and be relieved from the need to math are fundamentally stupid people who will never do anything but make trouble for their betters, and who essentially aim to burn your house down to make marshmellows in the blaze.
mircea_popescu: lol, that lulz still pretends to existence ? really ?
shinohai: Also, still pretending that Ethereum is "Immutable" apparently.
shinohai: "Our mobile application enables anyone to benefit from a platform secured by proven cryptographic principles without knowing the technical details behind it"
shinohai: We don't know the technical details behind it either, but hey!
mircea_popescu: made by the people that also made the anal orifice ethereum got raped through ?
shinohai: The very same.
mircea_popescu: what could possibly go wrong! some idiots will flock to it, if it makes a blob large enough they'll be "too big to fail" and if it doesn't maybe it attracts the attention of a slightly larger blob looking to accrete specs of stupid to grow.
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 19:23 trinque: unrelatedly hey asciilifeform, got an apu2?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
asciilifeform: so it's approx the same as any cheapo x86 nao.
asciilifeform: apu1 was the nice one.
asciilifeform: 2 has bloblocked amd and -- as if this weren't enough -- intel (yes) nic.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651432 << this fact is readily verified with almost naked eye. yet 'unhappening', naturally.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 19:41 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the chinos seem to have completely given up on tx priority by fee. there's 20 sat/B items included, there's 200 sat/B item waiting for hours in the pool, it's a complete, ridiculous mess.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651435 << them and other folx who claim to 'prioritize' tx in exchange for ... fiatola
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 19:43 mircea_popescu: (andpool, as usual, the worst offender.)
mircea_popescu: amusingly it improved significantly right after i said that. coincidental, i'm sure,. and not to last, obviously.
mircea_popescu: who could have predicted that the people supposedly served by the market in question are the first to try and break it ?
mircea_popescu: apparently every imbecile is firmly convinced the warm embrace of some sort of "consensus" fiatism is going to treat him better than any possible marketplace.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 23:04 ben_vulpes: heh it'd be funny if a) the fiduciary rule had stuck and b) if someone had brought suit against coinbase/kraken for pushing penny stocks
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651480 << hey, in usaschwitz inmates are forbidden from having money at all
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 21:26 mircea_popescu: soooo... the unconfirmed rumour is that the chinese govt is drawing up plans to make bitcoin a strategic commodity, making it illegal for private citizens to hold it / buy their holdings at the "prevailing market rates" (ie, 1kish_
mircea_popescu: in short : the fundamental error at the base of the currently deployed bitcoin prototype is the nonsensical proposition that observed competence correlates with actual competence, rather than being just accidental happenstance.
mircea_popescu: it's a little like giving an A to the kid who's top of the mongoloid class, forgetting for some reason that even if he floated to the top, he still floated to the top of a sewer and consequently is still a turd, fundamentally.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the 'columbus and driftwood' thread
mircea_popescu: yes the current miners elbowed themselves atop a larger set who tried to mine, over years, somehow. but this does not mean they're anything but a bunch of idempotent tards.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.
mircea_popescu: it's still one for the ages, to observe the people for whom the market exists in the first place squirm like they were visited with flaming salt ffs.
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if everyone agrees itsucks for the nodes, they got no fee market, except for the miners, who go "hey, at least they ain't got a market!11"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 23:16 mircea_popescu: "passions" for you know, "technology", "the ocean" and "music". because that's how this fucking works, there's a large jar called "passions" and you pick m&m's from there. they're all the fucking same.
mircea_popescu: wetware, but yes.
mircea_popescu: shinohai lulzy, all the "technical trader" explaining away why their idiocy did not work. here, i have a very similar one for you : https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1376503/september-11-cameraman-claims-hes-got-proof-the-george-w-bush-administration-was-behind-terror-attacks/
mircea_popescu: tl;cba - dude shot his wife in the head, ran off to argentina, is not being extradited and likes to claim that it's because he has sept 11 proofs!!1
shinohai: Jet fuel can't melt steel beams yo
mircea_popescu: 6 inch peni can't satisfy wives, either. nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: this whole "oh, someone else snuck in and shot my wife, didn't bother to fuck her before or after, nothing" is such lulz. who the fuck is going to shoot a woman, the husband himself can't be arsed most of the time.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651644 << this took me ~month to tune, i oughta have posted the makefile
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 10:14 phf: afaik gnat is built as part of gcc, i.e. it's one of possible artifacts produced during gcc suite compilation, so you shouldn't have a situation of non matching versions, and if you do it's most likely not going to work right. the easiest approach is to build matching gcc/gnat into their own directory structure, and change PATH when you're working with gnat projects. i think package managers going the other way and try and carefully match gcc/gnat
asciilifeform: will post when i get home
asciilifeform: ( originally planned to wait till 'p' release , did not anticipate the appetite of readers )
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, apparently george michael died. heroin abuse.
asciilifeform: !!down asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: wtf is with all these obnoxious 80s media items doing heroin anyway ?
mircea_popescu: anyone got a theory ?
mircea_popescu: and yes asciilifeform , YOU SHOULD HAVE FUCKING POSTED IT.
mircea_popescu: think, if only you had taken the day to do that, you'd have saved mod6 a week of fiddling, for a net gain of 6 days for the republic.
mircea_popescu: why so irresponsible ? srsly nao. you hate us or something ?
shinohai: Perhaps they don't have the Bitcoin or Chinese connections to purchase Carfentanil
shinohai: http://vessenes.com/tokencard-tech-roundup-and-erc20-crediting/ <<< In other Ethereum projects that can't math ....
mircea_popescu: when is this schmuck getting prosecuted for his "foundation" scam ?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 15:36 asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS! pc engines 'apu2' (the board with the intel nics - vs. 'apu1', with realtek) , turns out, is crippled, hdt probe barfs with it, the cpu is reputed to have a drm fuse set.
mircea_popescu: people from the future will look at these boneheaded decades incomprehendingly. never before, and i expect never after, has so much business been destroyed by "really passionate" imbeciles "who wanted to".
shinohai: I don't think I've ever used Cpanel at any point in my internet life.
mircea_popescu: for a while was the cheapest way to get wordpress minds on their own space.
mircea_popescu: whatever, no longer relevant in itself. yet another electric panel co.
shinohai: What is that, a Soviet block glory hole?
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651737 << probably follows standard path of percocet abuse (around $30 per pill on black market iirc) to eventual (much cheaper) heroin
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 13:18 mircea_popescu: anyone got a theory ?
mircea_popescu: why not buy a 20lb rock of pure lsd, mount it in a "den" and just you know, lick it whenever you wake up ?
mircea_popescu: there's better drugs to abuse than fucking heroin.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the cogent argument re heroin is that any usage pattern from which you woke up is abuse. the correct way to use it is the way chinese use it, as a retirement plan.
lobbes: Trappings of power vs power I imagine. "Ah shit, can't relax, can't sleep. Ah this mellows shit out"
mircea_popescu: ie "he just wanted to" ?
lobbes: Lsd, on the other hand, can make one more paranoid
lobbes: More aware of "fuck I actually have no control after all!!"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 01:39 shinohai: Framedragger: I prefer Rimsky-Korsakov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR_Q7NbLzyU&t=916s
lobbes: Mdma may be the right prescription for em' although many are cut with amphetamines. "The day after blues" can hit hard
mircea_popescu: you'd expect pop icon of the 80s can afford nuclear grade pure samples.
Framedragger: i think the simile of "lsd is like being given a coredump" is apt (actually heard this from an opioid affictionado). you're sorta-given-all-the-data, but then what. mdma on the other hand is in-between a psychedelic (you still get that psychedelic experience, to a point) and a stimulant (which in its case acts as "guidance", of sorts).
shinohai: I never get tired of that one .... There is a version somewhere that the NY Philharmonic butchered by performing a bit too presto for my taste.
shinohai: That one is likely best on Youtube
Framedragger agrees re "heroin as retirement plan". doesn't plan to try opioids before ~60, even
Framedragger: shinohai: nice
Framedragger: (required disclaim re mdma: one has to do the homework, understand basics of serotonin syndrome (oxidation => damage of serotonin synapses), do it *very* infrequently (if at all), etc.)
Framedragger: disclaimer*
lobbes: ^^ true
Framedragger: (unless you're a british raveboy who does it every weekend and then complains of "memory problems" years later. plennnnty of these here)
lobbes: I try to space my mdma experiences between several years even
lobbes: Oh god, I couldn't imagine that. Talk about brain frying
Framedragger: sounds like a good idea :) i think "3 months" is a nice bare-minimum, but there's actually not enough data. controlled studies are with mice etc., and field observations have too many confounding variables (alcohol, weed, etc.; also, *body temperature* (most important catalyst of deprivation of antioxidants it seems, many fall prey to this, underhydrated, etc.))
mircea_popescu: they don't do the cold rooms anymore ?
Framedragger: too young / out-of-loop to have seen this. guess not. is it like a place you go to for dancing breaks? sounds nice
mircea_popescu: it is the place where you go to lie down and have your body temperature fixed passively.
trinque: totally untrue re: lsd gives you all the data
Framedragger: trinque: yeah, that was too optimistic, i agree
mircea_popescu: what is wrong with the fucking soviet, it always builds these shits, roadways without parking spaces, brothel;s without bathrooms, raves without the requisite terarium scl etc ad infinitum.
mircea_popescu: if anything should be the international, universal and enduring symbol of socialism / stupidity, it'd be a koi fish in a plastic bag.
trinque: Framedragger: it's depersonalizing and that can maybe give you some room in your skull to think for a while if you're otherwise too neurotic to calm down
trinque: otherwise makes sensory input LIKE WOAH MAN which is fun, but does nothing useful
trinque: funny enough this was exactly what I was thinking about in the shower
trinque: republican overmind is everywhere
scriba: say BORG
Framedragger: !!rate scriba -1 buggy
lobbes: lel
shinohai: http://archive.is/J3fXr <<< Judge rules users can be compelled to reveal phone passcodes in sextortion case.
mircea_popescu: "social media star yesjulz" ? sorry ?
shinohai: I never heard of her either.
mircea_popescu: "Both Voigt and "YesJulz" are big names on social media. Voigt is a fitness model and Instagram celebrity who starred last fall on "WAGS Miami," an E! reality TV show about the wives and girlfriends of sports figures in South Beach."
mircea_popescu: you have ghot to be kidding me.
mircea_popescu: so basically this entire "legal proceeding" is about trying to enact the pretense that "E!" is a tv station and "WAGS Miami" is some sort of show and so on and so forth.
shinohai: And that the "celebrities" involved are actual people.
mircea_popescu: "nobody ruled on nobody in particular's sophomoric argument with nobody else involving things and matters, please care!"
mircea_popescu: i suppose the next helping out of the ever fertile well of these idiots' imagination is you know, "bitcoin is money because we've been acting like it were for long enough and everyone really cares what we act like!!!"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wtf is with all these obnoxious 80s media items doing heroin anyway ? << Their doctors have been scared by the DEA gang into not giving them pharmaceutical opiates
mircea_popescu: why would you give 50yo kid trying to make a life/career out of singing into mom's hairspray tube in his underwear opiates ?
shinohai: Also, am I delusional or did s.qntr price increase this round
mircea_popescu: a good paddling i could see. morphine ? what for ?
BingoBoingo: <lobbes> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651737 << probably follows standard path of percocet abuse (around $30 per pill on black market iirc) to eventual (much cheaper) heroin << You mean under $1 a pop at Walgreens to street price sticker shock to "One trick the drug companies don't want you to know"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 13:18 mircea_popescu: anyone got a theory ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you'd expect pop icon of the 80s can afford nuclear grade pure samples. << Nah, they all hired fiduciaries who told them to "invest" in building their own "Neverland Ranch" by 1990
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why would you give 50yo kid trying to make a life/career out of singing into mom's hairspray tube in his underwear opiates ? << Because muh hips, muh knees, muh condishuns!
mircea_popescu: eh get out
mircea_popescu: half the trench foot sufferers of 1917 got no morphine for amputations because no morphine avaialble, and the sky didn't fall over.
mircea_popescu: now these schmucks expect dentistry work be done under anesthesia ?
mircea_popescu: paddlings.
BingoBoingo: Well, products of their times
BingoBoingo: Progress in medical technolotit and all that
BingoBoingo: "Progress"
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/midwest-corn-and-altcorn-crops-experience-widespread-deluge-delay/ << Qntra - Midwest Corn And Altcorn Crops Experience Widespread Deluge Delay
shinohai: https://pastebin.com/zU6YZWXK <<< Supposed Q&A w/ Hoaxtoshi in r/btc slack
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1577.87, vol: 14084.22809790 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1487.892, vol: 12279.16881 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1648.0, vol: 20042.63513104 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1251.4457, vol: 11297.13350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1577.002, vol: 6551.13376322 | Volume-weighted last average: 1525.07025951
shinohai: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39798988 <<< Extreme selfies, US Army edition
mircea_popescu: "human cost of war" my foot. a mortar shell blew up during a training exercise. what fucking war ? the human cost of the continuance of the usg criminal organisation.
phf: this is as heavy handed as soviet propaganda used to be. photographer dies during training accident, "heroic womens dies in war, we salute all the heroic womens in war, and call a photography honor after heroic womens!1"
mircea_popescu: woman insisted we watch "quails"
mircea_popescu: it's the story of some laundress (kate pizdets) who speaks with a minor character la salle or de sale or w/e like she's hius wife
mircea_popescu: and an entire hospital, country and film set is organized around her.
mircea_popescu: because she's a woman, you understand.
mircea_popescu: and everyone cares about her. you know ? like irl ?
mircea_popescu: fucktards.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A8FCA2E770D10993CDBB43D037DE6D5C71B312B44D564BE99CEC3032F2323A8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1515...4643 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.5.254.146 (ssh-rsa key from 195.5.254.146 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (network.ippi.fr. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A8FCA2E770D10993CDBB43D037DE6D5C71B312B44D564BE99CEC3032F2323A8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1622...1559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.5.254.146 (ssh-rsa key from 195.5.254.146 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (network.ippi.fr. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5B7435DED25831DC3124683E4E026958F97627DEF877176C739F0713DA58A8F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '31.28.254.19 (ssh-rsa key from 31.28.254.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host-19-254-28-31.sevstar.net. UA 40)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9E6C665F9E88721784B110AFFF0C32B26A7F76FBF9A23EDDA111C9BC9BED62B2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.139.73.56 (ssh-rsa key from 78.139.73.56 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (56-73-139-78.kamensktel.ru. RU SVE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAE0707E17D6FC42F61F64831A1D0579383302AD965D59BC4A2C82CD7020B595 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1409...7323 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.191.238.241 (ssh-rsa key from 41.191.238.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZW)
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BingoBoingo: And the lower house of US congress passed healthcare reform-reform
ben_vulpes: is this good for healthfarecoin?
BingoBoingo: Unknown
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: i think it's grand << aha. ok sounds good then.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651593 << yeah should be fine << yup, just as long as we/treasurer keeps track.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 02:05 mod6: ben_vulpes: thoughts?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651619 << nice pile mod6 ! << thx, salud!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 03:12 mod6: here's the results from FG #3, second run of entropy collection1.1Gb worth. `ent` && `dieharder` results: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg3.dieharder_run2.txt
mod6: phf: thanks for the info.
mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing. It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things. But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages. But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
BingoBoingo: Anyways local interstate highways have spent time closed this week because of water, fuck that's a lot of water, OMG is the river changing its course?, and TREE! Tree happened when ground became too wet to support continued rooting
mats: appeals to emotion for opposition to trumpcare are peaking
BingoBoingo: Idiocy is like water, it doesn't have a firm peak. Sometime it floods, but the high point is a "crest" not a peak.
BingoBoingo: This is because it is constantly trying to "self level", no standouts among idiots after all
phf: be like water my friend
mats: o god
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's spelled healthfyre
ben_vulpes: in particular i find the "number of insured will decline" line amusing
ben_vulpes: taking as a given that more insured ===== better
mircea_popescu: that was the whole obamacare thing.
mircea_popescu: socialist paradise of the future to be enacted through having more people involved. just like they think the country will fare better, politically, by having more low information voters added to the rolls, and just like clinton genuinely thought the economy will gain by having more black morons with "home ownership". even if it was a purely scriptural matter.
mircea_popescu: this is the ~only belief of the idiot church : more is better.
mircea_popescu: then they go hole themselves up in "exclusive" cul de sacs with bollards and shit.
mircea_popescu: "no child left behind" wasn't supposed to lead to direct, immediate and precipitous tankage of the basic education system.
mircea_popescu: they genuinely imagined, and to this day still hold on to the impacted, unverbalised and unverbalizable belief that "educating" 100% of the horde is like... 2x better than educating 98.8% of it.
mircea_popescu: some strange fyrefestival math like, eating 4 cupcakes = 2400 calories, eating 5 cupcakes = 3500 calories and eating ALL the six cupcakes > 9000 calories. because ALL!
mircea_popescu: this shit isn't in any sense rational. it's not properly speaking belief, like some believe jesus gives a shit about them or whatever, moses turned piss to vinegar. this is more like fatlogic, a convenient and therefore self-perpetuating earworm. whatever the problem, they'll just pretend like it's caused by you know, something somewhere being left behind, like they're playing old sierra quest games.
mircea_popescu: and it's not novel in any sense, either. exact same idiocy documented late 1800s, as per eg https://archive.is/lWBxq#selection-695.430-695.619
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: how goes alfie
asciilifeform: aalmost done with this here expedition.
ben_vulpes: what have you been up to?
asciilifeform: secular matters
mircea_popescu: auditions for his exclusive rave / festival.
asciilifeform: ( wurk )
mircea_popescu: lol secular as opposed to cultish ?
asciilifeform: aha. did get to ride on a (i picture) mircea_popescu-grade yacht.
mircea_popescu: o hey. nude sluts ?
asciilifeform: 0 sluts. old folx with beards. but, two massive diesels.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 00:59 mircea_popescu: and it's not novel in any sense, either. exact same idiocy documented late 1800s, as per eg https://archive.is/lWBxq#selection-695.430-695.619
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, the generator discussion huh
asciilifeform: it blew my mind, i had never before heard of a 'wet muffler', walked around vessel in search of the missing tailpipe...
mircea_popescu: there's certain advantages to using the grown up version of items
mircea_popescu: like it making sense to deploy the good trims.
asciilifeform: 'why doesn't smell like the bulldozer it is? where is it.'
asciilifeform: and it turns out, asciilifeform is entirely immune to seasickness.
mircea_popescu: you know that's somewhat common in folk with myopia ?
asciilifeform: dunno, i get sick on , e.g., trains
mircea_popescu: it's the far peripheral vision that gets the vagal system all fucked up
asciilifeform: even had the electroshocker gizmo, when i rode the train ( helped! )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651748 << i tried it exactly once, mircea_popescu probably recalls
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 14:26 shinohai: I don't think I've ever used Cpanel at any point in my internet life.
asciilifeform: it was a horror
asciilifeform: unusable box.
mircea_popescu: lol i recall
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651852 << i'ma have to do a likbez when i get home. mod6 did you even split the ads and adb pieces? ( i pasted them into same paste, for ease of reading )
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 23:33 mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing. It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things. But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages. But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
asciilifeform: and incidentally phf did build it .
asciilifeform: but yes, you gotta clean your box of any multiple gnats, unless you have a ~very~ tight control of paths in your shell and make sure that only one at a time is visible
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C0225860DCE123B51C7C8DEC74F67E219BBD9E6B34A15F6676ECD5F1213549B4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1070...5033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '12.46.225.30 (ssh-rsa key from 12.46.225.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C0225860DCE123B51C7C8DEC74F67E219BBD9E6B34A15F6676ECD5F1213549B4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '12.46.225.30 (ssh-rsa key from 12.46.225.30 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D65BBD0677E0395C5E6E5DCC0255CF05BFC01B71712815526A8C78C542D93045 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1015...6703 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.59.149.233 (ssh-rsa key from 50.59.149.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D65BBD0677E0395C5E6E5DCC0255CF05BFC01B71712815526A8C78C542D93045 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1265...1349 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '50.59.149.233 (ssh-rsa key from 50.59.149.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
mircea_popescu: is it me or is phuctor popping at an increasing rate
asciilifeform: eh sometimes days with 0
asciilifeform: i did recently massage the db knobs, slightly increasing the eat speed
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651723 >> 'He says inside the building he came across a vault that had been cleared of its contents before the planes struck.'
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 13:07 mircea_popescu: shinohai lulzy, all the "technical trader" explaining away why their idiocy did not work. here, i have a very similar one for you : https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1376503/september-11-cameraman-claims-hes-got-proof-the-george-w-bush-administration-was-behind-terror-attacks/
asciilifeform: iirc there were other witnesses of said vault.
mircea_popescu: ya but how many vaults total ?
asciilifeform: 'He says he has the most trouble understanding how World Trade Center 7 collapsed despite suffering no damage.' << this was the cherry on the cake of idiocy usg asked gullible public to swallow.
mircea_popescu: this whole "nefarious AND COMPETENT lizard usg" theory would fare a lot better if it weren;t the case that during ~WELL EXPECTED~ hurricane hit about 500bn in negotiable paper got ruined.
mircea_popescu: you recall that ?
asciilifeform: ruined paper is a win for lizards, not a loss
asciilifeform: it is absolutely never the case that a plebe suddenly no longer owes his mortgage, say, because a paper burned
asciilifeform: whereas the reverse -- always and everywhere.
mircea_popescu: nevermind this tangent. what do you expect was in wtc safe ? paper.
asciilifeform: 'oh your bonds burned? fuck off , usg owes you 0 nao'
mircea_popescu: it's not practical to keep gold in the middle of fucking new york. you ever saw the wtc traffic ?
mircea_popescu: nonsense, by my lights, but whatever.
asciilifeform: and most of usg's claimed/official reserve lives in nyc still.
asciilifeform: ( at least nominally )
mircea_popescu: not in the fucking wtc though.
asciilifeform: in nyc fed.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that.
asciilifeform: Officially.
mircea_popescu: what, you mean in the museum building at 33 liberty ?
mircea_popescu: !!up asciilifeform
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: 'The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms also lost two evidence vaults, according to a spokesman for that agency' << gotta wonder, they dismissed even 1 case?
mircea_popescu: well, the lying chemist resulted in about 600 retrials in boston. coupla hundred walked.
mod6: hai
asciilifeform: heya mod6
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> auditions for his exclusive rave / festival. << ha
mod6: how's the trip alf?
asciilifeform: in some ways interesting.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-04#1651852 << i'ma have to do a likbez when i get home. mod6 did you even split the ads and adb pieces? ( i pasted them into same paste, for ease of reading ) << yup. that was the first thing I encountered. but indeed, much easier to read.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-04 23:33 mod6: I totally should have just checked that the version alignment on the thing. It was weird because simple things would compile.... like really simple things. But when it came to the more complex, ffa for example, was getting weird error messages. But at least, hey, it's out there, it has some sharp edges.
danielpbarron: there's pretty substantial evidence that the WTC buildings were destroyed with a "directed energy weapon"
mircea_popescu: what's a directed energy weapon ?
mod6: and that's the main thing. i really care about trying to fit it in head, as opposed to "compiler" concerns at this time with ffa. however, my other little sample shits i've been trying to make are probably going to go a lot better now that i have a 'sane' environment.
asciilifeform: what ~isn't~ one ?
asciilifeform: even knife, qualifies
danielpbarron: focusing electromagnetic beams in some sort of static field
mircea_popescu: well, supposedly revoler, directed matter weapon ? i dunno
danielpbarron: that would be a kinetic weapon
asciilifeform bangs head on desk
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron did you bother with the math on that ?
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, did you ever see my q for ya in #trilema-mod6?
mod6: hope it didn't make you puke or whatever, was just curious...
mod6: so. ok.
asciilifeform: gonna have to check the logs.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, no. did you do the math on jet fuel?
mircea_popescu: or for that matter the practical details. what's a MW laser look like, cost, what's it sound like when it goes, why would i say "nah, pulsed" as it were obvious in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628600
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 04:04 mircea_popescu: eh ffs, what sustained. pulse.
mircea_popescu: stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: well yes, as a matter of fact i keep doing that math. it keeps coming up here, about how a liter of gasoline is 1.5 MJ and there ain't no electric battery even come close etc.
mod6: basically, I was just wondering about the verbage there and how I aught to "distill"; my first inclination was to go two bytes at a time, xor them together, output 1 byte. but then after sleeping on it, and a search of "xor in place", i thought maybe it meant to take: 0A0B and swap to 0B0A.
danielpbarron: if jet fuel, why wasn't there a million tons of debris at ground zero? why wasn't there any significant seismic activity?
mod6: After doing such, I have a hard time thinking how that would be cryptographically helpful. So perhaps the former is correct? Just looking for a heads up.
mircea_popescu: standard kerosene is 46MJ/kg. the boeing carries about 63k liters, and kerosene density is about .82
mircea_popescu: !~calc 46 * 63 * .82
asciilifeform: mod6: xor is the 1 operation where entropy is guaranteed-additive ( supposing the two items are independent! X xor X = 0 ! )
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 46 * 63 * .82 = 2376.3599999999997
mod6: asciilifeform: even in the case of a swap?
mircea_popescu: what's a swap ?
asciilifeform: what swap
mod6: my being dumb, the second time around.
asciilifeform: this has 0 to do with the swap trick in ffa, mod6
asciilifeform: xor, realize, has many uses.
mod6: sorry, don't mean to confuse with ffa
mod6: this is for FG
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i take the laser because notwithstanding the ample lossage generally discussed as "slope efficiency", photon beams are the most efficient em "weapons". actual ion beams are even worse than the 3-5%ish laser. so you know, someone somewhere had to burn 50 TJ or so to deliver the same effect, plus whatever the intervening air ate up. you know how air looks if traversed by a TJ laser ?
mod6: at the end of the page it says "distill a days worth of entropy and xor in place"
mod6: just trying to find out if im doing that right
mod6: nevermind, just hit me up when you're bck
asciilifeform: mod6: it means that you need B bytes, but you collect x*B, and xor them over a B-sized buffer
trinque: "directed energy weapon" is a whole other level of strange
trinque: I had not heard that particular tinfoil
danielpbarron: it wasn't a laser. it was some thing that causes a sort of cold fusion that turns atoms into other atoms, and causes atoms and molecules to repel eachother. it caused the buildings to turn to dust mid-air
trinque: the thing was demo'd.
danielpbarron: there is a woman named Judy Wood who came up with this theory, and she has a lot of evidence to back it up
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what part of the picture was inconsistent with good old dynamite?
trinque: like any other structure that collapsed into footprint
asciilifeform: the 'martian deathray' folx -- serve usg.
mircea_popescu: tecnically, i suppose fuel-air bombs are "directed [thermal] energy", for a very weak specification of "directed"
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, lack of explosions, lack of debris, toasted cars on the ground away from where they could have been hit by things-- and toasted not by fire but something else. witnesses saw them spontaneously combust
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron cold fusion tends to leave very specific residue however.
danielpbarron: tritium, yes that was found
mircea_popescu: not that much lithium snow in new york the next day.
mircea_popescu: tritium results from hydrogen cold fusion, theoretically. what hydrogen ?
danielpbarron: isn't there hydrogen in the air?
mircea_popescu: not in this sense, no.
mircea_popescu: there's water in the air. but hydrogen, even lighter than helium, tends to either react or run off.
mircea_popescu: you can't really cold-fuse water's hydrogens, because the tightly bound oxygen works as a sort of equivalent of a moderator.
danielpbarron: i don't know, but the levels of tritium at ground zero were much higher than what you'd expect
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: tritium is a gas at stp
asciilifeform: just like regular old H
mircea_popescu: also flammable yes.
asciilifeform: and you won't find measurable qty of either in outdoor atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: ah, depends with what you measure.
mircea_popescu: can now and again see a line, gets 2nd year physicists all excited.
danielpbarron: the effects of this weapon go on long after it as been deactivated. there was a building near the WTC that suffered minimal damage and was repaired, only to be demolished months later because the structure rotted. the metal looked as if it had been submerged in the ocean for a century
mircea_popescu: ok, but you're aware this is not really how radiation works. there's no electromagnetic linger.
mircea_popescu: actually, that's the principal distinction between "matter" and "energy" as intuitively understood. matter sticks around. energy does not.
mircea_popescu: photon rest mass is 0 for a reason.
asciilifeform: mod6: see logs, 'xor lemma'
asciilifeform: mod6: i'ma post example when i get back to cockpit
mod6: no problem.
mod6: it can wait.
shinohai: So there is this chick that calls herself "Lil Wafarin" on twitter sent me a message. When I casually asked why she chose rat poison as her nom de guerre, she goes ballistic.
mircea_popescu: shinohai were you being disrespectful of her roots ?
shinohai: !!Up asciilifeform
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: Nah least I didn't consider it disrespectful. I was genuinely curious.
shinohai: Perhaps she is a serial killer that uses Coumadin to poison her victims.
shinohai: Quien sabe.
asciilifeform bbl - tomorrow.
mod6: later
mircea_popescu: oh yeah, totally forgot to gloat. so today on highway going to town, crash in front of me. then on the way back... crash in front of me. this one actually made traffic crawl, so i told the driver to switch lanes. because he wasn't going in the faster one.
mircea_popescu: the lane i told him to switch to ? stayed fast. so THERE!
mod6: nice!
mod6: sounds like you dodged a kid on a bike the other day too.
mircea_popescu: passively!
mod6: damn bikes!
mircea_popescu: i suspect kid was trying to impress attendant slavegirl.
mod6: ahh. trying to showboat found him a strategically placed hydrant.
mod6: lifes lessons aha
mircea_popescu: hey, sort of like sidewalk's penis.
mod6: ya, very much. there's one on every street!
mod6: i bet the switchbacks were brutal on that hike 'eh?
mircea_popescu: they can't be arsed with switchbacks here. fuck it they say, make it 25% and let you drive in 1st for a few hours, what of it.
mircea_popescu: good for the engine!
mircea_popescu: you ever saw "4x4" choke to death on asphalt ?
mircea_popescu: just couldn't get enough torque to get its fat ass up the grade. period.
mod6: wow. no, can't say that I have.
mircea_popescu: they have some hills here that if it even lightly frosted, it'd just be farewell to arms
mircea_popescu: and legs.
mod6: heheh.
mircea_popescu: they'd just have a bunch of disparate torsos collected in the valley.
mod6: i'd imagine that it'd be crazy.
mircea_popescu: even water slick is VERY problematic.
mod6: i suppose even with the rains it's pretty bad
mod6: ya
mircea_popescu: rains daily, see ? and if you start sliding there's nothing.
mircea_popescu: just no fucking way, stop on the first ravine.
mod6: there a fair amount of mudslides/erosion?
mircea_popescu: they build walls and shit to contain it, and are very good with trench gutters, foot deep etc.
mircea_popescu: but still.
mod6: sure.
mircea_popescu: fortunately the soil isn't very good. if it were the rich black stuff, that sucks a lot of water, forget about it.
mircea_popescu: but mostly jungle crap, not so soaky.
mod6: sure, more sand like then?
mircea_popescu: sand/clay sorta thing.
mod6: ah. what's the power situation like? do they lose power often during the rain?
mod6: take a while to get it back on?
mircea_popescu: nah. it's pretty dirty but hey, you get inverters etc. otherwise, no, outage may be 10 minutes or such. they're just very serious, diligent people, drive up the hill fix it.
mod6: that seems reasonable.
mircea_popescu likes ticos.
mircea_popescu: way the fuck better than argentina, i'll tell you that. those idiots... god help them.
mod6: good to hear.
mod6: i think you had all you could stand of that place.
mircea_popescu: just about.
trinque: yeah, I found 'em friendly, helpful, and you could joke with them
trinque: no air of "someone's about to get offended"
trinque: which sad that this was noteworthy to me, but was
mircea_popescu: haven't seen good salesmen for a long while pre coming back here. you know that, BOTH a) not be obnoxious and b) talk to you. not one, or the other. fucking both.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i wasn't here for it, but one opf the places, tree fell over brought down power grid. ticoswarm, power back on 2 hrs later.
mod6: ah, nice
mircea_popescu: ~the inner limit for what something like that can reasonably take, i figure. so... yeah.
mod6: hell, sometimes a storm can come through here, knock down lines; the tree guys might have to clear debris, power guys gotta hook up new equip and lines, can take ~12-24 hours
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> standard kerosene is 46MJ/kg. the boeing carries about 63k liters, and kerosene density is about .82 << Aha, this seems to be a source of common misunderstanding. That Jet fuel is a kerosene "heating oil" and not a gasoline exploding oil
mircea_popescu: aha. because turbine not boomegine, but whatever.
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> So there is this chick that calls herself "Lil Wafarin" on twitter sent me a message. When I casually asked why she chose rat poison as her nom de guerre, she goes ballistic. << BwAHAHAHAHAHAH
mod6: when i first moved into this place, the huge silver-maple tree was touching the high-wire during a storm. the branch actually caught fire in the rain. started to spread down the branch quite a ways...
mod6: i was like "well... umm... tree is ON FIRE... so call fire dept?"
mircea_popescu: live tree ?
mod6: so, did, they came and kept an eye on it until it went out on its own. but next day, they came and trimmed off the back half of the tree to clear for the line.
mod6: yah live tree. still is huge monstrosity in my back yard.
mircea_popescu: pretty hardcore
mod6: sounds like these highlines for residential service are somewhere between 300-600 volts
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