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pete_dushenski: but both failed criteria 1 and 2. weren't cheap and kept breaking down (unless you think 'practical' is 'big boot', which imo is insufficient)
pete_dushenski: not cheap because leveraged resources of two world war winning titans of industry and their very concerted efforts to placate masses. today, bits on facesnap suffice.
pete_dushenski: cheap is always relative, not absolute.
asciilifeform: what, in pete_dushenski's view, means 'cheap' ? falls from sky ?
pete_dushenski: um. less expensive than alternative.
pete_dushenski: and in yours ?
asciilifeform: 'inexpensive after you kill the shysters who supplied the defective false alternatives'
pete_dushenski: aha. so yours is really 'cheap in future ideal world' and mine is cheap rfn.
pete_dushenski: makes sense.
pete_dushenski: so i'll drive citroen and you can drive dreams!
asciilifeform: generally i try to avoid drive.
asciilifeform: it is a chore.
pete_dushenski: no doubt about that. frozen prairies are same in this regard as dc swamplandia.
asciilifeform: not a chore because plastic panels, no. but -- chore.
pete_dushenski: you probably already know this but it's awfully hard to take your 'snore this' and 'kindergarten that' seriously when you move the goalposts so. but it's still fun trying to pin the lubed eel, don't get me wrong.
mircea_popescu: << pretty sure outside bolts not street legal.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 03:54 asciilifeform: the hypothetical subj would look something like a t34
mircea_popescu: << yes, but volga also went about 10 miles on the gas toyota does the full 100.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 03:59 asciilifeform: su cars -- were of iron.
mircea_popescu: anyway, one wonders what alf'd do for boob implants. "wtf silicone doc, GIMME LAVA!!!1"
mircea_popescu: "How will it stay hot ?" "Whipping!"
pete_dushenski: for outside bolts, no jurisdiction afaik seems to take issue with bolt-on fender flares, eg.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But those bolts are RECESSED!
trinque: ty mircea_popescu
trinque: thing appeared to be ping/ponging with somebody, but in limbo
mircea_popescu: aha here we go!
mircea_popescu: << "My motivation is primarily I don't want to learn all the over-complicated details of C, but at the same time I would like to be productive in a safe system language, a category in which Rust seems to be alone."
mircea_popescu: case fucking closed.
mircea_popescu: " My name is Joel Jacobson. I’ve been using PostgreSQL almost every day since 2002. Recently, I started getting involved in the community around this fantastic RDBMS."
mircea_popescu: they're mentally retarded, there's no two ways about it. people who are in their 20s/30s today and were parented by the idiots and imbeciles in their 40s and 50s and 60s are simply and irretrievably retarded.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, when the fuck did a COMPUTER LANGUAGE, ie, a language you can program the machine in, become a "systems language" ? why, to make room for javascript being a language ? it ain't a fucking language, it's a scripting language which means jack-all.
mircea_popescu: fucking decay of idiocy, they want to turn the nodes-notnodes binome into fullnodes-nodes ? if you don't verify blocks you're not a node, if you can't program the machine it's not a language etc. holy shit.
Framedragger: for posterity, rust does have things like raw pointers (and no gc), etc.; but the kommunity around it is at this point perhaps ~insufferable, much like the javascript hipster legions. which is not a point to be ignored
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying "rust is bad mmkay". i couldn't care less, there's been tons of "new languages" fulfilling the need of people to "revolutionize". they all work, exactly in the way custom pliers work.
mircea_popescu: i'm not buying custom pliers, and the pretense of the custom plier fans that their custom pliers ain't custom but standard is uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: this includes fucking pascal, let alone erlang, go, rust, java, you name it.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg decides that it only needs ~one~ GE... << RIP westinghouse.
mircea_popescu: anyway, fucking tard. "my name is mircea_popescu ; i've been using chairs pretty much every day since the late 70s, and recently i started getting involved in this fantastic chair community"
asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu the 'rust' link simply gotta be a parody
mircea_popescu: i do not believe so.
asciilifeform: it simply ain't believable
trinque: oh?
mircea_popescu: it seems entirely plain to me.
asciilifeform: read like a trololol, is all.
asciilifeform: 'if all git commits could be automatically converted to Rust' for instance.
trinque: just some guy who read a bunch of hackernews and thinks he has opinions
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is how they think.
trinque: asciilifeform: << people actually do this
mircea_popescu: "automated" is a byword for "i don't have to do any work".
trinque: "people" anyway
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why they imagine this. in point of fact the system that delivers milk in a bottle so they don't have to milk their own cow is MORE complex, not less.
mircea_popescu: there's MORE work to do with automation, not less.
shinohai thinks the term "corrode" is appropriate ....
asciilifeform: trinque: that looks hilarious. do you have a copy running? try putting, say, duff's device, through it...
mircea_popescu: and it'll crash and ewedontunderstand.
trinque: nah, I don't write the stuff. just was subjected to some fat idiot prattling on about rust one night
trinque: ben_vulpes knows him
mircea_popescu: << how tru this is. because if it's sociualloy acceptable to be fat, why wouldn't it be socially acceptable to be stupid!
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 19:28 ben_vulpes: funny how all manifestations of modernity look alike. entertain even a smidge of wokeness and you'll wake up in trans camp.
asciilifeform: why would anybody even name a comp lang 'rust' ? how about a surgical antiseptic named 'putrescence' ?
trinque: they like it because it's like mother telling them they followed all the rules, and didn't even have to think about it.
trinque: you just compile and you're a good boy
trinque: that the guy was an SJW is not unrelated
asciilifeform: trinque: what means 'compile and you're a good boy' ..?
asciilifeform: is it a sort of prbization of ye olde 'cyclone' ? 'let's put bounds checks in c'
asciilifeform: << this is a terrible libel to custom pliers -- who do not randomly morph into liquishit in your hands, no
a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:04 mircea_popescu: i'm not saying "rust is bad mmkay". i couldn't care less, there's been tons of "new languages" fulfilling the need of people to "revolutionize". they all work, exactly in the way custom pliers work.
trinque: asciilifeform: as I understand it, which is at a distance, they added an extra type system, concurrency tools, and memory management for phree, and decided this needed its own syntax
trinque: the social commentary regards creatures who are addicted to pats on the head. whatever the supposed technical merits of the thing, they are not what guys like the one in that thread care about.
trinque: in re: "systems programming language" it's a way of retconning C into a category with many possible members defined by "I am very smart, and could, you know, build an operating system in this"
trinque: no such thing as a "rust machine" or "golang machine" but lets not dwell on the fact that there's a machine down there too long.
asciilifeform: trinque: my current understanding is that derps say 'system language' when what is meant is 'has something that passes for a x86 compiler, and a c ffi'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will also nitpick : 'erlang' does not belong in the list, it was a 1980s product that worked quite well in its industrial niche (large telco switches) but was later stolen and used as a totem by the folx from yesterday's thread ( )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 15:28 mircea_popescu: there's no utility involved. suburban ustard wears item because of ~how it makes her feel~ to ~be seen~ as ~being one of the~ rather than any use.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform industrial niche = scripting language.
asciilifeform: but it wasn't a scripting language.
mircea_popescu: lua also worked well in its industrial niche ; dob isn't that much of a consideration imo
mircea_popescu: and why not ?
asciilifeform: it was a general-purpose thing that compiled down to x86.
asciilifeform: (and several other archs.)
mircea_popescu: i can compile javascript to bytecode. what's that prove ?
trinque: queues and workers and restart upon failure didn't need a syntax
mircea_popescu: "its industrial niche" === scripting language.
trinque: somebody gave it one because wheeee
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not to bytecode, not to forth-style threadedcode. had actual optimizing compiler, like gcc.
asciilifeform: with actual backend.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'scripting language' has a meaning.
mircea_popescu: then perhaps i am mistaken and indeed it doesn't belong in that list.
mircea_popescu: can't say i spent all that much time investigating.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you almost certainly don't need it.
trinque: llvm can compile js to native code. now what?
asciilifeform: trinque: if you weld wings to a trabant, it could, theoretically, take off. does not make 'airplane'.
asciilifeform: airplane -- is designed.
mircea_popescu: in principle anything that can be run can be compiled, this isn't a matter. the question to you alf is, that "actual optimizing compiler, like gcc", is it WRITTEN IN ERLANG ?
mircea_popescu: ie, does this alleged non-scripting-language bootstrap ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 1st one, funnily, was in... prolog! 2nd -- erlang.
mircea_popescu: cuz that's what language means. has, or at least could have, self universe.
mircea_popescu: well ok then.
asciilifeform not an erlang user. but did read the 1990 b00k from ericsson.
asciilifeform: or where was it.
asciilifeform: sorta funny bit, actually, the original, THIN, book, is ~unobtainable;
asciilifeform: (it has useful examples from telecom systems)
asciilifeform: the only one you can buy today, is from the hipsters.
asciilifeform: with wwwcrapolade.
asciilifeform: anyway erlang is imho only worth discussing as part of a larger pattern -- industry after industry independently discovered that c -- and its entire approach to logic -- is poison
asciilifeform: but each discoverer reacted very differently.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: very good field of industrial anthropology here.
asciilifeform: (and naturally was convinced that ~his~ cure -- was unique)
mircea_popescu: ^ that's a decent doctoral thesis you just titled.
asciilifeform: it's a thing.
asciilifeform: or would be.
trinque: they leaned in the direction exactly opposite their worst pain
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chukchas keep finding the same flashlight in the woods, again and again and again
trinque: erlang, uptime at all costs
asciilifeform: currently 'rust' et al. decade ago -- haskell. prior -- the java people.
asciilifeform: they keep finding the same flashlight ('don't use promiscuous pointers and type casts') and repaint it in various tribal colours.
asciilifeform: affixing all sorts of irrelevant 'shit bolted to the side'.
trinque: rust was written by a mozilla guy after long radiation damage working on a browser
asciilifeform: but if you scratch off the savage ochre paint etc. you can see '1958' stamped on the steel.
mircea_popescu: "Me and some guys from school had a band and we tried real hard. Jimmy quit, Jody got married, shoulda known, we'd never get far."
mircea_popescu: idiots without a culture and without a history. "we found that lantern in the woods, and boy, those were the best days of chuka life!!1"
asciilifeform: well they ~were~ 'best days', it was a thing that they could not, in thousand years, produce
mircea_popescu: no argument.
asciilifeform: trinque: erlang wasn't simply about 'uptime', or even 'no pointer arithmetic', it also was the only case i know of where process migration actually worked
trinque: that is about uptime.
asciilifeform: as in, you could shuffle a ~task~ (not even entire proggy) between machines, cleanly.
trinque: yes, I'm aware
trinque: point was in each case the design is biased *away*
asciilifeform: trinque: elaborate
mod6: mornin'!
asciilifeform: hey mod6
mod6: how goes?
trinque: asciilifeform: biased away from the problem that hurt their business most
trinque: and not built outward from first principles about computing
asciilifeform: trinque: to put it in context, we're speaking of roughly 1990, and the smouldering thermonuke crater where the folx who 'built from first principles' (symbolics) used to be , was still smoking
trinque: fits my argument rather well
asciilifeform: it does
trinque having network troubles, slowing me down
trinque: whole industry was traumatized *by that*
asciilifeform: it was a time of 'commodification' and 'deskilling'
trinque: as each individual company licked particular wounds
asciilifeform: 'whatever else, infrastructure must use cheap, fungible iron, and cheap, fungible people'
asciilifeform: this was idiocy, of a slowly lethal sort that makes radium toothpaste look quite harmless, and we are still paying for it
asciilifeform: but there it was.
mircea_popescu: trinque i can see it yeah.
trinque: hell, ~america~ is this. "we had a shitty king so ~no matter what burns~ no 'king'"
mircea_popescu: misconstrued circumstantial constraints, "we're a business, we don't have the time to fix the world" "oh, those guys failed, we gotta '''learn''' from their experience" etc
mircea_popescu: trinque the king wasn't in any sense shitty, mind. you familiar with the tea story, yes ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or (as discussed by naggum), what is worse, 'we will learn from the Success! of microshit'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. quite.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I am, but from a particular perspective, I'm sure
Framedragger: << for logs - original erlang demo with phones (you've probably seen this alf):
a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:41 asciilifeform not an erlang user. but did read the 1990 b00k from ericsson.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: believe or not -- never seen
mircea_popescu: kindergarten had a power outage one day.
Framedragger: quite nice. dunno the year but old.
Framedragger: (ericsson labs)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: imho it is a mistake to make such a piece. folx who did not appreciate it from the b00k, had no business touching it.
mircea_popescu recasts this statgement about pr0n.
asciilifeform: there was nothing inherently graphical about erlang (it did not come with a bolix-style editor, or any similar exotica)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: telecoms multinational but you'll see w/e, so w/e
mircea_popescu: nono i was talking about "imho it is a mistake to make such a piece. folx who did not appreciate it from the b00k, had no business touching it"
Framedragger: ah - yeah, can't disagree with that
Framedragger: s/see/say
asciilifeform: Framedragger: iirc at one time ericsson tried to productize erlang.
mircea_popescu: i know what fucking ericsson was tyvm.
mircea_popescu: pesky upstarts that were competing with my motorola brick!
mircea_popescu: and in other engineering and programming and changing the world and social justice news,
asciilifeform: dafuq's that
mircea_popescu: i can tell you, but you sure you want to know ?
asciilifeform: it looks vaguely familiar
mircea_popescu: well, scum. how distinct can it get.
asciilifeform realizes that it was the thing from the 2014 piece linked earlier, that he had reread last wk.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: (aha seems to have been the case. opensorest in 1998)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: (aha seems to have been the case. opensorest in 1998)
deedbot: << Trilema - The Prodigal Son
Framedragger: (ah sorry, client buffered and repeated msg)
Framedragger: not enough memory protection
mircea_popescu: anyway : the nedeflorena looking character on the left is some wanna-be poet, ie unmarrigeable and unskilled but by now too old boring female. the other one is an ambitious sort, trying to make money by selling crap, in this case vegan food. she's at some point a decade ago briefly attempted to exploit for pr reasons this mentally deranged cat lady suzanne-something, who claims to be the "suzanne feeds you oranges" in leonard
mircea_popescu: cohen's song.
mircea_popescu: a whole increngatura.
trinque: sweat pea << loller
mircea_popescu: what, you gotta know how to spell to be a poetess ?!?!
mircea_popescu: poetess you know. "fuck you, i'm a poetess!"
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, mircea_popescu : ...colombia ?
mircea_popescu: not colombia asciilifeform.
trinque: reminds me of junior high, some slut gets ahold of my AIM handle. hers is SweatAngle something
trinque did not explore that dungeon
mircea_popescu: ok, so, in junior high, this friend confessed to me (under the strictest confidence!!! which i've not to date betrayed, either. totally forgot it)
mod6: "an adventurer is you!'
mircea_popescu: that whenever we do pe she has this urge to go lick the sweat off guys' chests
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: there may be something to this whole sweat angle!
trinque: clearly moar than one out there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: androstenone
mircea_popescu: at that age ?!
mircea_popescu: besides, how'd she know.
asciilifeform: wouldn't ~know~, lol
asciilifeform: but still worx
asciilifeform: sows don't ~know~ either.
asciilifeform: ( you can buy it in spray cans..! 'boar mate')
mircea_popescu: you know you may well have something there.
asciilifeform: smells like old socks.
asciilifeform: (to a d00d)
mircea_popescu: (2011 article in which mp observed that woman-in-love likes certain things of that nature, dude in comment section totally lost it.)
asciilifeform: there was also the famous shirt experiment.
mircea_popescu: the lede being "if she doesn't like how your balls smell, she dun love you."
trinque: totally true
trinque: balls, pits, whatever
a111: Logged on 2015-04-22 02:33 ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: the one where women in differing parts of cycle were attracted to proximate histocompatibility-pattern males (prefers 'related' during pregnancy) and distant mhc. during ovulation (prefers 'unrelated' to avoid recessive zap)
trinque: the most lady-like chick out there is still a filthy primate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe teh "red pill community" calls this something.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not know what every particular chukcha calls every particular flashlight.
mircea_popescu: readily excused.
asciilifeform: entirely possible -- that they do.
mircea_popescu: i been trying to recall what it is, something alpha/beta something
mircea_popescu: obvious worst-case for google : "what is group x mislabel concept y as?"
asciilifeform: in other lulz, >> '...federal public defender Colin Fieman wanted to admit some of the Wikileaks documents into court. The idea was to bolster his argument that even with a forensic examination of the defendant's computer, it would not be possible to see whether someone else planted child pornography on the machine, because the exhibits may show the US government has "the ability to hack into a computer witho
asciilifeform: ut leaving any trace," the court filing, written by District Judge Robert J. Bryan, reads. ... In response, the Government requested that the proposed exhibits be excluded from trial because of their classified content... the Government (whether deliberately or unwittingly) confirmed the authenticity...'
asciilifeform: even funnier, '...the Department of Justice is trying to retroactively seal the court filing and two others, because they apparently reference matters discussed in a portion of a transcript that is already shut-off from public view.'
mircea_popescu: and they still expect to be taken seriously, these people ? why ? by whom ?
asciilifeform: phunphakt: all usg civil servants, of whatever description, are Officially required to pretend that unhappened leaks neverhappened
asciilifeform: this is in their employment contracts.
mircea_popescu: top soviet keks.
asciilifeform: and afaik does not exclude judges, with possible exception of speshul seekrit starchamber judge.
asciilifeform: but afaik this is the first instance of the 'YOU stole my hdd, YOU could have flipped whatever bits' defense being entered in american court.
mircea_popescu: well certainly one of the first publicized.
phf: << is that "Concurrent Programming in ERLANG" by armstrong?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-30 14:41 asciilifeform not an erlang user. but did read the 1990 b00k from ericsson.
asciilifeform: phf: yes!
asciilifeform: 1st ed.
phf: ah, i only have 2nd edition (1996). i agree though they went downhill from there. i don't think even armstrong's next book is particularly good
phf: mircea_popescu: the pisspots story has the last paragraph repeated twice, second time untranslated
Framedragger: i thought that was somehow obscurely intentional (but didnt understand why)
phf: Meaning!
Framedragger: intension, extension
Framedragger: wonder if anyone's here read some fodor and his attempt at naturalised theory of meaning
Framedragger: /me shows himself out
Framedragger: heh someone just logged in to an old buttfinex acct. websecurity
trinque: guess the magic number was three-factor auth
shinohai: Sux Framedragger now it will be difficult for you to trade all those valuable tiddlywinks on site.
asciilifeform: ( anybody has the full text ? )
shinohai: <<< in other crypto sherlox
asciilifeform: shinohai: ludicrous crock of shit, by the time the shithub existed, thing's been out for, what, a year
asciilifeform: somehow we are expected to... forget?
shinohai: Considering the source, I'm not surprised with the short attention spans and lack of long-term memory.
asciilifeform: probably -- prep for the next shitoshi.
asciilifeform: ( is the last one entirely worn out ? or still going? i have nfi )
trinque: guy's going after patents
asciilifeform: why stop at bitcoin. patent the nand gate. the transistor. algebra.
trinque: somebody already did, no doubt
asciilifeform: not The Right somebody, evidently
shinohai: I did a Qntra on that, not sure if he is hoping everyone forgot or what.
asciilifeform: aah him
asciilifeform: the blunted, formerly sharp and pointy end of the spear
a111: Logged on 2015-11-15 01:17 mircea_popescu: i have this pile of very secret derpage here including the very expert "profile" of some random derp explaining how an elderly, principled gentleman is perhaps going to react crazily to the crass injustice of this entire scheme.
asciilifeform: apparently he'll have to do, until they find another.
deedbot: << Qntra - Five Percent Increase In Latest Bitcoin Mining Difficulty Adjustment
trinque: whoops.
trinque: BingoBoingo: s/^A /As /
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
CompanionCube once tried corrode on some random bits of C with little if any success. Even when it worked, it didn't produce particularly good or even 'ok' code
trinque: there's a particular lukejr look.
mircea_popescu: phf a ty
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-30: [16:58:13] <trinque> guess the magic number was three-factor auth
mircea_popescu: << moar like entirely not-credible pr from taboola.
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-30: [17:07:52] <shinohai> <<< in other crypto sherlox
mircea_popescu: wtf are they doing with those page-width "illustrations" composed of nothing whatsoever still.
mircea_popescu: it was kinda-cute in the sense of "he's my retarded cousin, it's not his fault he has down syndrome" ten years ago.
shinohai: "But it's impossible to run a news site without half-page ads plastered across the screen ..... o wait."
shinohai opens Qntra
mircea_popescu: except these aren't even ads. look :
phf: cyberpunk
mircea_popescu: what's this do ? am i intuitively primed to uinderstand the topic now ?
phf: i remember making pictures like that for my 1337 h4x0r homepage back in 98 or so. that's how i learned Gimp!
mircea_popescu: yeah well... it's 2017
shinohai: Far less eye-burning than cryptocoinsnews. I would love to personally douse their art department with gas and set them alight.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is the current-day equivalent of the demo scene. "uhm... we can't code... but we'd like to hang out with you dudes... can we do anything ? i mean besides sucking cock, something we can display in public"
mircea_popescu: everything decays (tm).
phf: demoscene was leet. even artfags were mostly on point
shinohai: <<< What could possibly go wrong?
Framedragger: in other newz, a nice dude, one liudas mažylis (after several months of research) found .lt's original declaration of independence (1918) in berlin's archives.
Framedragger: that's nice, but the true _soviet_ of the story is, official 'bigtime' academic 'historians' / 'history' 'professors' in .lt (with bigtime names and state grants for 'projects') got *livid*.
Framedragger: especially their leader, this ridiculous fat turd who nevertheless is featured in various tv shitshows ('to popularise history', you know) -- he's just plain jelly as fuck, (quote) "i don't even know this schmuck, some kind of driver (sic; literal), i would have great doubts as to the document's authenticity [meanwhile confirmed by germany archivists etc etc etc]", so on and so forth, in a complete caricature-like jelly manner.
Framedragger: see, it may have been supposed to be *him*. next year will mark 100y of independence, parades, state fiatola for 'history research' assigned, etc.; but beyond the banal, i *particularly* like the transparent sheer *indignation* by the 'historians' that this dude just.. read some books.. lifted his ass up.. took a bus to berlin (literally).. and that's it.
Framedragger: *how could they have not been included???* NOBODY ASKED US!!111 meanwhile dude in question is humble, says "well, doubt is essential to science", and smiles.
Framedragger: the fat turd in question is otherwise 'well respected', at forefront of history academia in .lt, etc. etc.
Framedragger: you know.
mircea_popescu: << the trotsky look for a new generation. compare/contrast or some other pics i can't currently find lol.
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-30: [19:36:27] <trinque> there's a particular lukejr look.
mircea_popescu: anyone happen to recall the one of the wanna-be master with a great sense of humour looking for a slavegirl in michigan or wyoming or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: also dork with round glasses
mircea_popescu: Framedragger lel. absolutely typical small-country-tick reaction. "we're the official poets of shitlandia, what do you mean we'd better actually be writing poems ?!!??!?!"
mircea_popescu: romania is no better ; i would expect the issue is universal.
mircea_popescu: makes shit easy for us, obviously.
Framedragger: you know, i've never seen this pattern so excellently executed. tip-top. straight from the 'how to survive as a tick' rulebook. (maybe because i can follow closely in native tongue and have keener sense of smell towards these fucks)
mircea_popescu: i used to piss on the faces of the "online marketing experts" in ro just about the same way. various foreign pr/medioa agencies opened local offices because hey, gotta pretend coverage ; hired locals because idiots ; locals decided "THIS MEANS WE ARE COMPETENT"
mircea_popescu: not that different from how phuctor worked irl and so on.
Framedragger: it's nice to be able to compress these structures so well in the mind, the patterns are so..predictable, it's insane
shinohai: To continue the "Ladies you need to follow upstairs" theme:
mircea_popescu: looks like she's going out the window though
shinohai: It *could* lead to a sundeck .....
shinohai: But, if sealed window, bonus! She can't go anywhere!
mircea_popescu: << asciilifeform , ben_vulpes , bingoboingo , danielpbarron , davout , diana_coman , hanbot , mike_c , mircea_popescu , mod6 , phf , trinque
deedbot: << Trilema - The Lordship list, fourth year.
ben_vulpes: the titles are interesting
mircea_popescu: gotta have something
ben_vulpes: what means "common pleas"?
mircea_popescu: historically it was a part of the common law system (ie, in england) dealing with arguments among unimportant people. here it's mostly because you know, he split the bitbet pot to randos.
shinohai: Cheers, mircea_popescu ... such a fitting name.
mircea_popescu: innit tho :D
shinohai shall add tits to his coat-of-arms if so inducted ....
mircea_popescu: small ones ?
mircea_popescu: "his arms bear a charge of tits"
shinohai: And nalgitas rampart
shinohai: *rampant, derp
mircea_popescu: pity there isn't a suckant
mircea_popescu: suquant i guess
BingoBoingo proposes a tit-knuckled gauntlet for the Lord nominee!
mircea_popescu: the brasstit knuckle!
BingoBoingo: *Lord Nomtittie!
shinohai: I actually used to have a brass doorknob shaped like a tit, gave it to one of my friends as a going-away present.
doppler: "see you later, ya tit"
phf: what knockers!
trinque: oh, sank you doctah
ben_vulpes: nalgitas twerkant
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, can anybody tell me why zero-satoshi tx outputs exist ?!
asciilifeform: ( they -- in fact -- do )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform:
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "because we can, therefore we must"?
ben_vulpes: phf: implying!
shinohai presents tits for everyone's viewing pleasure:
phf: ( leaving this here for myself, awk's pattern for filtering uniques is !foo[$col]++ )
asciilifeform: ^ going as we speak
phf: hax
asciilifeform: ^ is it obvious what is in the picture or do i have to explain.
phf: brilliant, we shall harness the power of LIGHT to make ourselves INVISIBLE to a common constable
asciilifeform: i suppose i do have to.
asciilifeform: pc atx +5v is not ideal voltage source. and has ripple from all sorts of places.
asciilifeform: FUCKGOATS includes a lowpass filter and three separate voltage regs, but the itch remains, does it make a diff if the thing were 1) powered by battery 2) isolated ENTIRELY from pc
asciilifeform: (2) requires a fiber
asciilifeform: so far it seems like the filter was designed CORRECTLY -- i.e. the setup makes 0 measurable difference, e.g., 'ent' takes ~same volume of bytes to converge pi as prior.
asciilifeform: (and yes thing is perfectly happy to run on 6v, as pictured)
asciilifeform: gets a ~little~ warmer...
asciilifeform: (linear regs, after all)
shinohai doesn't have one yet, but imagined he could run this from bench power supply ?
asciilifeform: shinohai: normally it runs from the usb-ttl snake's 5v
shinohai: nifty isolation though
asciilifeform: but yeah, pretty much anything 4-7v will work
asciilifeform: chinese piece of shit power brick, however, note, is likely to have MOAR ripple than your pc.
asciilifeform: battery is the gold standard.
asciilifeform: the fiber converter pictured here is the one from the last fiber thread
a111: Logged on 2017-01-30 18:46 asciilifeform: << finally, what i had in mind.
asciilifeform: i expect it would also work quite well for 'data diode' and similar applications.
asciilifeform: ( when i loopback it, connecting its arse and mouth -- worx )
asciilifeform: fiber here is 5 metres, cheapest plastic (not glass)
asciilifeform: ( before anyone asks 'wtf' -- the fibertron wants 3.3v, so it gets it from the tap in the jtag port )
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...5367 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <>; ' (Unknown CN 15)
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...3299 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <>; ' (Unknown VE A)
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1056...3299 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <>; ' (Unknown CN 15)
deedbot: << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1139...6409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <>; ' (Unknown VE A)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looks like a differential power set-up
mircea_popescu: ah in the logs, mkay nm.
asciilifeform: indeed.
deedbot: << Trilema - What did you expect ?
mircea_popescu: Known Moduli: 5746341 Moduli Broken: 1395
asciilifeform still quite frustrated that he has not yet solved the various 'icebergs' whose 'birthday theorem' tip we are seeing -- e.g. mikrotik, etc
asciilifeform: really we oughta be able to nail ~all~ of them.
mircea_popescu: what's the rush alfie.
asciilifeform: vita brevis
mircea_popescu: not like djb is going to come to his senses and have "his employees" "phd students" beat you to it.
mircea_popescu: there's conferences to attend and shit!!1
shinohai wonders if asciilifeform has nightmares of Hanno Bock cracking all his moduli .....
asciilifeform: shinohai: lol, all of them?!
asciilifeform: shinohai: incidentally he had a 'we have MOAR!' article, containing a small number of the ones we popped at the time, plus some that i still have nfi where the corresponding pubkeys lived
asciilifeform: ( not in sks.. )
shinohai: Possibly reside in imagination?
asciilifeform: the inescapeable conclusion
asciilifeform: generated for the occasion
shinohai: With purpose-built Debian box
CompanionCube wonders what the best key(s) to get phuctored would be. USG/NSA''s? Intel/AMD's signing keys?
mircea_popescu: small number still made up 65% of the list.
asciilifeform: !#s flipolade
a111: 15 results for "flipolade",
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz,
shinohai: "Con TMSR nunca te irás para casa sin rodar aunque te caigas o llueva"
shinohai: True ^
mircea_popescu: in other lulz teh butthurt outpour is pretty lulzy. "trump gutted obamapower!!1" "trump gutted obamacare!11" it never ends lol
shinohai: The latest from my Columbian callipygous files:
BingoBoingo: In other news, lumber prices are ticking up at retail, as reported on Qntra in February
shinohai: <<< For any anorexic Bitcoiners reading the logs and needing a barf without sticking a finger down throat ....
CompanionCube: what was whoever created that on
BingoBoingo: Is mircea_popescu perhaps in Chile?
BingoBoingo: CompanionCube: prolly robitussin
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well tomorrow I guess I'll have to spend my guess on Liberia.
shinohai: CompanionCube: Purple Drank
mircea_popescu: shinohai lmao. historically, the stupid poor always tried to "direct" others.
shinohai: If someone makes it to the end, lemme know what happened. It almost induced a seizure in me.
CompanionCube will take on the challenge
asciilifeform read it, snored
BingoBoingo: Lesson of the day: The hardest part of buying paint is browising through color chips to find one that doesn't have a faggy name.
shinohai feels bad he made a post that made asciilifeform sleep and possible dream of Hanno Bock
CompanionCube: lol. 'We will place Bitcoin under our control in the most devious way possible... We will optimize it, we will make it efficient, scalable, decentralized to the extreme. We will make it private and fungible, we will gurarantee that it is completely uncensorable anywhere in the world... the idiots will never see it coming'
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1044.25, vol: 8317.81934904 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1047.5, vol: 8564.43026 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1051.4, vol: 26524.08275378 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 983.762039, vol: 10898.18040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1045.292, vol: 3170.45752317 | Volume-weighted last average: 1036.62192291
trinque: someone was proud of this.
trinque: relatedly, two separate bums asked for money when I was fueling a very nice truck just now.
trinque: the first tried to touch me, so I told him to fuck off. the second kept his distance, so I helpfully let him know he should manage his money better.
trinque: gotta do what you can.
BingoBoingo: It's Texas. He who has the truck makes the rules.
trinque: so offer to pump my gas for me while I sit on my mobile throne. I might throw a couple bucks.
trinque: nah, one wants to shake hands like he's someone and the other rambles nonsense about helping da youf
BingoBoingo: Tell them if they jump in the back, you'll give em $30 to help you shovel a load of manure in, and they can pick their destination once the truck's loaded.
mircea_popescu: yeah, what happened to full service gas stations ?
mircea_popescu: "minimum wage happened, mp"
mircea_popescu: oooh, that's right!
trinque: at least he has the dignity that the job he doesn't have pays a living waeg!!!11
trinque: seriously, I once considered starting some kind of labor camp where you bus these guys in and just have 'em toil on whatever
trinque: feed, house, etc
trinque: before taking another 30sec and considering the labor laws involved
trinque: limbs rotting off under an overpass is way better
BingoBoingo: Seriously trinque creative guy like you could prolly find a use for a couple cubic yards of manure. There has to be a courthouse nearby.
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