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trinque: and obviously I'm not calling leadership a matter of humility. the narcissism is all through the ranks.
trinque: these fuckers are going out tweeting their molotovs as a matter of social signaling
trinque: thing's gonna smolder, not explode.
mod6: asciilifeform: I wonder iTomServo might try cutting off the latest blk#####.dat file? thoughts?
mod6: *if TomServo
asciilifeform: mod6: to unwedge? nope. the tx index will be out of sync with the block db, and you get soup
mod6: yeah. :(
asciilifeform: now, to slice it up to see wtf is even ~in~ the tip of his train -- yes!
mod6: using blkcut? that might be worthwhile
asciilifeform: dumpblock also worx
asciilifeform: dump currentheight, currentheight-1, ..., a dozen, say.
mod6: ah, yeah thats better. we don't need 69,000 blocks. just the last, probabaly 20.
mod6: or ya, 12 or whatever.
asciilifeform: btw i was thinking about a command,
asciilifeform: say, 'dumpblockhashes', eats an N, dumps sha512 of each of last N blocks known
asciilifeform: (of ~blocks~, whole, not shitoshi's idiot header thing)
mod6: ah, ok. thought you meant the header.
asciilifeform: this'd let you quickly compare the leading train of two nodes
mod6: getting the sha512 of the entire bytes of a block seems useful
asciilifeform: see reorg shenanigans with naked eye
asciilifeform: mod6: it'd be a fairly trivial mod of dumpblock .
mod6: yeah, 'tis a good idea.
TomServo: Just so I understand, survey says? Node is fucked, may have forensic value?
asciilifeform: TomServo: aha
asciilifeform: potentially very valuable.
mod6: we need a way to rebuild the index.
trinque: anyhow good article, but the guy overlooks the reason why, stated here the other day http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632388
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 20:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632355 << orlol discussed this, and it was 100% true, 'homo americanus' has some very serious damage that is very expensive to build prosthesis for -- he has no family , no friends, no one will lend him money other than at extortionate rates, has no one alive whom he could live with in small hut, 5 to 10 sq. metres, without killing one another
mod6: TomServo: Do you have any backups of your chain at all?
trinque: which is why he's got nothing but "no one will come to my pistol classes :(" at the end
TomServo: mod6: Yes, but not a terribly recent one unfortunately.
mod6: You could roll back to your latest backup I suppose, but using your chain for forensics is really a good idea so we can try to extrapolate some causation.
asciilifeform: trinque: the folx who understood-why -- i suspect -- are not teaching pistol class, they are eating pistols
asciilifeform: but at the very least -- not posting
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/clark-county-nevada-commits-three-quarter-billion-in-taxpayer-dollars-to-stadium/ << Qntra - Clark County Nevada Commits Three Quarter Billion In Taxpayer dollars To Stadium
asciilifeform: as orlol wrote, when someone asked 'how do i, typical office plankton, survive colapse' : 'for you -- there is not an answer. but you could try to become somebody else, a different kind of person , for whom there ~is~' or sumthinglikethat
trinque: kinda hard to square "turn the other cheek" and "render unto caesar" with ~doing anything~
trinque: utterly feminizing religion (at least the widely practiced version in the states).
TomServo: mod6: Gotcha. I'll try and perserve this as is and follow up later. Thanks.
mod6: Yeah, certainly.
mod6: If you wanna work on something here quick, get familiar with dumpblock and dump the last 12 blocks for us perhaps.
trinque: that may be the one actual advantage with the black hoodie kids. if nothing else, they haven't got sky-dad keeping them up at night.
mod6: TomServo: as a side note, I've been watching MST for the first time. show is hilarious. i had no idea bout your nick. :]
TomServo: mod6: aha! It's pretty great.
mod6: indeed haha.
asciilifeform: trinque: the mexicans, with their nominal christianity, iirc, seem to demolish the blacks wherever the turf wars include both. so maybe not so simple.
mod6: meanwhile, I'll see what i can do in the next few days about putting together alf's suggested patch
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> trinque: the mexicans, with their nominal christianity, iirc, seem to demolish the blacks wherever the turf wars include both. so maybe not so simple. << Aha, Catholic v. Protestant
asciilifeform: mod6: the knob isn't strictly necessay, you can pipe dumpblock into sha512
trinque: yep, different creature
asciilifeform: it'd be convenient, is all
mod6: asciilifeform: ah, fair enough. but yeah, could be handy.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632901 << aha. goes by 'spyked'. regular commenter on trilema and even occasionally contravex, eg. http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/18/the-robot-tax/#comment-54654
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 01:54 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, anyone know this d00d? : http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/about
trinque: the protestant thing was in the first place a rejection of teh catholic "corruption"
asciilifeform: oh hey.
asciilifeform: neato pete_dushenski
trinque: catholic seems much more likely to sin now, pray later
pete_dushenski: he's a phd computing science student of some description. decent blogger too.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: cheers
BingoBoingo: <trinque> catholic seems much more likely to sin now, pray later << AKA, infrustructre to handle need for believers to do "necessary" "evils"
pete_dushenski: in other evils, why do 'muricans suck at math ? it's the teachers, dummy http://archive.is/mfd3i
asciilifeform: mod6: imho manual knobs ~for unwedging~ are a fundamental mistake. nodes shouldn't be wedgeable, period. and the only use for a wedged node is to learn why it wedged and to make said scenario impossible in the future.
asciilifeform: and so, knobs for dissection, -- yes, useful
mod6: well, i agree it never should happen.
pete_dushenski: bienvenido
mircea_popescu tacitly confirms mp_en_viaje was his very own self.
asciilifeform: oh hey.
mircea_popescu: how goes alfie.
mod6: hey!
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 16:10 asciilifeform: 'Hello asciilifeform I see on coin.dance/nodes , The Real Bitcoin is listed with the 'Emergent Consensus' feature tag. Could you tell me if that's accurate - will you follow a HF to > 1MB , and could you tell me anything about how it's implemented in TRB ? Thx!'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632806 << anyone ever told you you can kvetch with the best of them ? they have competitions for this in the borscht belt you know.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 17:34 asciilifeform: incidentally : asciilifeform's muscle memory never recovered, still has to look up the commands ~every~ ~single~ ~fucking~ time.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632824 << i'm not actually gonna read the bs ; by the time they start with the "mistake" and "apologize" you know it's the wrong side of history speaking.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 16:48 asciilifeform: meanwhile, daniel bernstein ( of the smooth-parts-of-integers algo used in phuctor, and 1,001 other useful mathematical works ) is headed for gasenwagen: https://eindhoven.cr.yp.to/false-statements-by-henry-de-valence.txt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he didn't apologize
asciilifeform: or 'mistake'
mircea_popescu: good for him.
asciilifeform: but it's a long an' fairly unpleasant document, fwiw i was not able to swallow whole thing, of yet.
asciilifeform: will have to wait till i get stuck in a lift, or such.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632843 << time to wake up to the fact that female / nonwhite ceos do not work. go with the flow, yo.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 18:06 asciilifeform: ' Rich Felker Retweeted Adora Cheung‏ @nolimits Mar 23 Last month another investor asked a female founder/CEO to search for a white male to replace her as CEO. Also uninvited.'
mircea_popescu: takes a jack warner to build a company and a carly fiorina to burn it down.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632866 << there's really no different groups among the soviets. they all have the same "stands" on the basis of the same "tru fax" etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 18:29 phf: oh, that's different group though. it's the "girl hacker" community
mircea_popescu: girl hacker or no girl hacker it'll still be save the flying pandas, guns kill people, abortion doesn't kill people, can't say nigger and our democracy etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632867 << like all large size sweatshirts over at the america's mall hot topic, "oss" is fulla "women". they were "hippies" before and nobody noticed also.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 18:29 shinohai: Good God is OSS full of women with penises nau ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/linda-vista-social-club/ << Trilema - Linda Vista Social Club
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632872 << that's pretty much the required blue pill. it's either this or else no possiblity of "our democracy". kinda what the whole "toxic ideas" is all about : here's the set of notions that make an indefensible, unfundamented belief in our religious tenets untenable.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 18:36 ben_vulpes: apparently children shouldn't worry about making judgements about the world. or maybe just some subset of the world. it's unclear, but i think it would be grand if we all skipped along thinking that everything is hunky-dory because who am i to judge?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632874 << o noes, republic's 1st martyr ?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 18:41 danielpbarron: a friend of mine is dealing with social workers trying to take his kids away, in part -- i think, because his oldest has been repeating some of the things i taught him to his teachers in school
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632890 << there's a reason mp opts not to live in the us, however. that shit works if there's a happy meeting of one's network with the general prevalence of sane people. if your network is 1k deep and sane people are 10k ppm, it works fine. if your network is 10 deep and sane people are 10 ppm, you're about five degrees of magnitude short meaning roughly speaking it'll work once every 10k t
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 19:28 ben_vulpes: can also attempt a mircea_popescu, and go after the cps officer in question personally for making shit up
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632901 << yes, goes by spyked on trilema ; bright undergrad and then grad at the bucharest politechnic (which still is a fine technical school, though it was better pre-democracy).
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 01:54 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, anyone know this d00d? : http://lucian.mogosanu.ro/about
mircea_popescu: at some point cca 2012 i was trying to get him to get the lab into building miners. it never took off though.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632906 << lightning just struck again. truth is, the world of actual competence / unsuck is truly tiny. there's a marked difference between type A "i saw a chick, do you know her ?" "no" and type A' "i saw this chick driving a red porsche, and she was without a doubt the most aggressive driver i ever saw. and incredibly fucking hot too!" "ah, that's jane,"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 02:00 phf: in practice last two times i was asked that, i knew the vadim etc. in question. it's still a funny question tho
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632918 << this happens to be entirely false. the contrary view is based on the same shaky basis "global warming" is based : taking the past 20 years and "extrapolating" it into "history". in point of fact most wars in history (in the sense of 90%+) were won by the right. the incidental social turbulence caused by the tailwinds of industrialization make this look different. but even pre 1950,
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 03:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'The Left has won far more dirty civil wars and insurgent conflicts than the Right has won. There are a host of reasons for this, but most notable is the aversion, on the Right, to give up the security of law-and-order. ' << tru!
mircea_popescu: the left got crushed systematically and everywhere. franco passed, the brown shirts used the commies for pissing practice etc.
mircea_popescu: it's a sweet dream this, that leftard boy has a chance in the world. nothing more than a dream, though. in reality, leftard boy is dogmeat.
mircea_popescu: being left is generally the macula of stupidity ; but in matters of conflict is just the convenient excuse of losers looking for an excuse to lose (for full discussion of how this works, review the hustler, magical jew there explains the process).
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632948 << technically there is a reindex, for node that shut down clean (ie, didn't trash the bdb temp stores)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 04:12 mod6: we need a way to rebuild the index.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 04:20 asciilifeform: trinque: the mexicans, with their nominal christianity, iirc, seem to demolish the blacks wherever the turf wars include both. so maybe not so simple.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632977 << and "corruption" is always and everywhere the actually good part.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 04:24 trinque: the protestant thing was in the first place a rejection of teh catholic "corruption"
mircea_popescu: awww, theranos finally blew up did it
pete_dushenski: catholic corruption certainly made for some beautifully crafted churches, most of which are still enjoyed today even by non-catholics (maybe especially)
pete_dushenski: none of the guilt, all of the awe
pete_dushenski: but tnstaafl. have to buy plane ticket to see.
mircea_popescu: "For two days, according to insiders, Holmes, who is now 32, had refused to address these concerns. Instead, she remained largely holed up in a conference room, surrounded by her inner circle. Half-empty food containers and cups of stale coffee and green juice were strewn on the table as she strategized with a phalanx of trusted advisers, including Ramesh “Sunny” Balwani, then Theranos’s president and C.O.O.; Heather Ki
mircea_popescu: ng, the company’s general counsel; lawyers from Boies, Schiller & Flexner, the intrepid law firm; and crisis-management consultants. Most of the people in the war room had been there for two days and nights straight, according to an insider, leaving mainly to shower or make a feeble attempt at a couple of hours of shut-eye. There was also an uncomfortable chill in the room. At Theranos, Holmes preferred that the temperature
mircea_popescu: be maintained in the mid-60s, which facilitated her preferred daily uniform of a black turtleneck with a puffy black vest—a homogeneity that she had borrowed from her idol, the late Steve Jobs."
mircea_popescu: psssh. "women ceo" of the libertard variety, "celebrity" bla bla, "billionaire by x". what the fuck does anyoine expect out of the soap opera circuit ?
mircea_popescu: of course there's a soap opera coming out the other end. what the fuck else ? people who can't think "starting" "companies" hurr.
mircea_popescu: “a chemistry is performed so that a chemical reaction occurs and generates a signal from the chemical interaction with the sample, which is translated into a result, which is then reviewed by certified laboratory personnel.”
mircea_popescu: a chemistry is performed indeed.
diana_coman: mod6, list of deps for trb from what I gathered on a fresh, minimal centos box: bc, gcc, g++, gpg, wget, perl, patch, rsync, sha512sum, unzip
mircea_popescu: on a 100mbit link should take no more than half an hour!
diana_coman: ha, wb mircea_popescu ; I left it on its own after I saw it was going ok, haven't quite timed it
diana_coman: anyway, gotta say that mod6's script and docs were great and very, very helpful
mircea_popescu: and yes they are.
BingoBoingo: Welcome back
mircea_popescu: how goes BingoBoingo
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: and Buenas dias Sr. mircea_popescu , wb o/
mircea_popescu: hola! how's sluts.
shinohai: It's like digging through the landfill hoping to find that HDD you threw away with 20 BTC on it back in 2010 at this point.
shinohai: But I'll stick with it.
mircea_popescu: quite, huh.
mircea_popescu: only if it's fun :D
shinohai: It has it's moments, but selling some of these people on GPG, etc for a future http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ is a bit of a hard sell unfortunately.
mircea_popescu: i expect, yeah. so dun sell it like that.
mircea_popescu: after all, the hos buy lipstick and it sure as fuck don't promise that to them does it.
shinohai: Out of every ~1000 contacts a week, < 10 seem to even give a shit about Bitcoin. Yet endless complaints about chargebacks and scams on other platforms.
shinohai: Go figure.
mircea_popescu: nuts huh
shinohai: I now know how you and hanbot musta felt when you tried to *give* camgirls btc a few years back.
mircea_popescu: im still in disbelief about that not wholly digested experience.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i recall the correct way to get dumb 16yo chicks to shave their snatch was to convince the other girls that it's declase. then they convince each other.
mircea_popescu: perhaps appealing to their vanity will work where appealing to their absent intelligence failed ; after all everyone's got a vanity.
shinohai: hey!
mircea_popescu: leaviong aside the lulz of windows titles for a moment.
shinohai: "Thus I think Mircea Popescu either hasn't thought this out entirely or he is counting on someone like myself (i.e. the sovereign republic) to fix it."
shinohai: lmao
mircea_popescu: possibilities abound!
mircea_popescu: o lol, you still got a tardstalk account ?
shinohai: Sure do.
netmonk: hello
mircea_popescu: aite, point out to the dude that blondy in
mircea_popescu: hi netmonk
shinohai also doesn't have an avi of himself wearing his fucking hat backwards
mircea_popescu: shinohai : point out to the dude that blondy in https://archive.is/QgEUj#selection-5165.1-5096.24 being eaten out by her friend is actually smart bio student who was also the heroine in http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/
mircea_popescu: not a matter of photoshop. besides i have a whole [unpublished] fucking set with them. and for that matter while she may be smarter than him, she's certainly braver seeing how she DID talk to mp eh.
shinohai: "But I couldn't even stay in the USA, because I am such a rebel. " <<< Like asciilifeform, my dosimeter is nearing max
mircea_popescu: who couldn't ?
mircea_popescu: (anyway, ftr i do not dispute the "So this exemplifies that MP makes mistakes, is reckless, duplicitous, and may be borderline lunatic/sociopath who could lose his mind at some point and totally REKT Bitcoin. We do not have decentralization with Satoshi's PoW." concept. examples are not needed ; mp is indeed all the above and more.)
shinohai: Or, mp may outsmart all you top minds on tardstalk/reddit - but perhaps I am biased.
mircea_popescu: i was born of a woman in the usual way ; perhaps fit for friendship but certainly not fit for public worship. it may work in private with my own sluts, but that is an insanely narrow and controlled environment.
asciilifeform: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18324180#msg18324180 >> 'Note back in 2013, MPeX sent me (@AnonyMint) a PM. It was something about his enemy @rpietila who he refers to as "tortilla". Since then Risto has had his laptop hacked, been put in a mental ward and subjected to forced medications, etc..'
asciilifeform: hilarious thread
mircea_popescu: didn't the guy end up with a few week's enforced relaxation because he attempted to reorganize some hotel/resort he didn't own or somesuch feats of confusion ?
mircea_popescu: it was a pretty lulzy thread, something with a sauna. 2014ish or such.
shinohai: Oh so THATS who this guy is .... anonymint
mircea_popescu: remind me ?
mircea_popescu: dude how the fuck are 100ms roundtrips possible to mp's interface in the middle of fucking goatland i have nfi. there's a half mile 20% average climb to get to his crow's nest.
mircea_popescu: the technologies have defo improved since the 90s
asciilifeform: ^ twist: he's talking to the mitmtron, 100 metres away!111111
mircea_popescu: nah i just checked it propar.
mircea_popescu: also any kind of anything would stick out as a fucking sore thumb out here. unless of course evil imperial agents learn how to drive donkey uphill just like the locals.
asciilifeform: no moar cement jungle ?
mircea_popescu: no moar.
asciilifeform: pet a pampas cat yet ?
mircea_popescu: and i can't tell you how fucking great it is to not find oneself in a country as despicably idiotic, either. people shouldn't live with people they hate.
asciilifeform: if not a mega-seekrit, where-in-the-world-is-mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not mega seekrit, but momentarily seekrit owing to the procedings in the last trilema article
mircea_popescu: giving people a chance to guess neh
mircea_popescu: perhaps in time that becomes a social game. "where-in-the-world-is-mircea_popescu ?" now from tabletop, inc.
Framedragger: well so far all i've got is that camera temperature was allegedly 29 degrees (C) which makes me to conclude after careful consideration that it must be "some place real warm at night". :)
mircea_popescu: or that the metadata is all for lulz. either way.
Framedragger: of course :)
mircea_popescu: but frozen it was not, owing to all the vegetation, so there is that.
mircea_popescu: does england still have snow or all melted yet ?
Framedragger: no snow! it's actually spring here (or well, was yesterday lol, good enough for a nice picnic), and ~here~ is scotland, down south could be even better
Framedragger: and in general were snow to appear, they would go bonkers. like for instance use rakes in edinburgh to try to make it disappear from streets (duly observed)
mircea_popescu: do they also have no nudity at public park laws or didn't check ?
Framedragger: quite a lack of nudity indeed (did check)
mircea_popescu: fucking stupid. wtf is a park for if not naked dogs and naked women.
mircea_popescu: incidentally... they fucking dress dogs now, don't they. nuts.
Framedragger: oh yeah! nuts indeed :( sad view. and in general parks are a bore in the uk
mircea_popescu: and to think it is all backed with the nonsensical belief that THINGS WOULD HAPPEN!!1
Framedragger: i'm sure that down south they'd also patronisingly stare at you if you dared smoke a cigarette in a park. the scottish at least tend to give less of a fuck, but still a nanny state 100%
mircea_popescu: what the everloving fuck will happen. nothing happens. dudes who don't have the balls to talk to women dressed sure as fuck won't talk to them naked.
mircea_popescu: though it's true the dogs seem to love the idea. "finally! a sane human! ima go right there and lick hi to her!"
Framedragger: reminds me of your story about observing a dog which attempted to systematically find a new owner. sanest mammal in town sorta deal
mircea_popescu: sad but tru.
mircea_popescu: there's this runaway effect of unbounded self-referential complexity whereby everyone long forgot why the fuck they were doing the thing 184 steps back that "it all" supposedly rests on.
mircea_popescu: the brighest dogs have iqs in the 30-40 range, and yet they can beat the average human in ~average human~ contexts. what could be more humiliating of a "culture" i can not imagine.
Framedragger: balancing the democracy stack takes up lotsa memory...
mircea_popescu: democracy fabulous hash algo. unbounded memory.
Framedragger: somehow reminds me of a theory in social neuroscience (not original of course) whereby genesis of 'self-awareness' is attributed to buildup of neural machinery to predict what the other social animals in a group are doing/thinking. you end up having to predict what the other animal is predicting *you* to be doing, hence have to have a model of your own attention/awareness.
Framedragger: but it's *expensive* and there are lots of ways to short-circuit the mechanism (cheating the award mechanism to think you've accomplished something, etc.) not rigorous at all but yeah
mircea_popescu: i recall this thing was one of the (many) post-bicameral-world-excitement byproducts. it failed to go very far.
mircea_popescu: the notion, in the abstract, of POE seems splendidly meaningful to excplain cognitive evolutionarily ; but any attempt to pin it down in practice went ~nowhere afaik.
mircea_popescu: to explain cognition* i mean
Framedragger: guess so. (guess you can trace quite a bit of jaynes in it yeah.) not enough evidence for sure, and not concrete enough (to generate falsifiable predictions, etc.)
mircea_popescu: there may be fundamental problems with the very concept. (for instance : give an example of self-organizing heat exchange defect. "oh, life itself" what else ? "the tornado that happens in the drain". mmkay. the problem with not being able to give examples of a theory besides the item that prompted the theory is generally known as begging the question.
Framedragger: definitely some kind of circular presupposition yeah (+ "i love recursion!!!" "i've read hofstadter" vibe)
Framedragger: idea is stimulating to me but maybe that's about it.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with a little bit of aesthetics. but you certainly noticed the very strongly monotonous abstractization function of actual knowledge. what starts life as banal observatrion of natural numbers ends up linked to ever more complex manifestations in who knows what algebra / space / etc.
mircea_popescu: here, however, no such evolution. makes one fear the idea is actually sterile.
mircea_popescu: ie, "this sounds great and explains nothing" ; much like the void thinking (void) ai program.
Framedragger: i guess so - it doesn't seem capable of leading one anywhere, so to speak. (this connects with (again) "generates nothing to be falsified"). iirc they tried to connect with "mirror neurons" etcetc "look we make it more concrete", but it was too eclectic / a cheat (don't recall, for anyone curious the article in question was iirc https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3223025/ )
mircea_popescu: consider eg a * b > a + b. this is basically cauchy pared down. that there's no direct path from one to the other is the only last nail of hope (but mp, just because we've not found yet why it's fundamental doesn't prove it isn't. sure.)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yep that's exactly the sadness, that all attempts ended up smoke or mirrors.
mod6: hai mircea_popescu, wb!
mircea_popescu: hola mod6
mod6: How's the nest?
asciilifeform looks at photo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cuba ?!
mircea_popescu: oh it's lovely. asciilifeform nah.
mod6: nice. :]
mod6: I knew it couldn't have far off given recent bs in the former locale.
mod6: *have been
mod6: too much nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the difference is palpable, too. me in computer store, sits down in char. "can i buy this ?" "uh... it's the display..." "you have no others ?" "brb i'll check"
mircea_popescu: guy comes back later, to tell me they have no others ; and i can buy that one. takes it over to dispatch, "Hey, can you take this chair apart and pack it ?" "i'd love to."
mircea_popescu: i'm like... finally! people! doing commerce irl!~
mod6: So i bought one of those rigol MSO1104Z-S deals, and a bunch of stuff. couple raspberry pi's, three arduinos and a fairly large kit of sorts.
mircea_popescu: making satellite ?
mod6: haha, trying to.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i'm like... finally! people! doing commerce irl!~ << aha, nice.
mircea_popescu: we prolly should put one up just to mess with people. it's not THAT expensive by now.
mod6: trb in orbit
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: all sputnik did was peep... peep... peep...
shinohai buys a fuckton of weather balloons from Amazon .....
mod6: i did wanna get a few xilinx boards to play with... but first ill see what I can learn with the other stuff I got. i also bought a soldering iron.
mod6: so we'll see what kind of mess i can make. haha
mircea_popescu: you looking into hardware engineering eh
mod6: thought it might be worthwhile to learn a thing or two anyway.
mod6: and it's a fairly inexpensive foray into some of that. for educational purposes.
mircea_popescu: great career path anyway. i never heard of an unemployed hardware negineer.
mod6: fair enough.
mod6: I think I started thinking about it a lot more recently when pondering the auditing process of FGs.
mod6: Now, alf has a bunch of steps on NSA's website. But the gears were turning before hand.
mod6: I won't let it side track me from my main work. Just something to futz with here and there.
mircea_popescu: the more a man knows, the better a man he is. i wouldn't worry about it.
mod6: Salud!
mircea_popescu: certainly as far as my own experience goes, just about all i know i learned while neglecting homework.
shinohai: It's a fun diversion. I have a plastic tub full of resistors, ic's, etc. I got for pennies when local radioschack shat
mod6: nice shinohai
shinohai: Occasionally a project presents itself.
mod6: mircea_popescu: hah, sounds kinda familiar.
mod6: I also bought this huge whiteboard ; 6'x4'
mod6: i realized when trying to diagram out, for instance, the notated split of trb.node with trb.wallet (posted in logs a little while back) that I didn't have enough paper on 8.5"x11"
shinohai would like to thank Forrest Mims for printing decent book I could understand at 8 and building lifelong obsession
mod6: The thinking was, now I can diagram the things, post an image, have the other republicans look it over, and agree/disagree. Then it can become part of the ticket that gets entered, or at least linked in the notes section.
mod6: I hope it'll spur some collaboration anyway.
mircea_popescu: yeah whiteboards are cool
mircea_popescu: slides make for a very poor replacement.
shinohai: My neighbor has one of these, though I have yet to play with it: https://www.schooloutfitters.com/catalog/product_info/pfam_id/PFAM32230/products_id/PRO50936
asciilifeform: i like everything about whiteboards save for the smell (and how they get porous and uneraseable over fairly short time)
mircea_popescu: ie, slides AS YOU DESCRIBE THEM (here's a shot of a whiteboard from another room, comment) work ; but the idiocy normally deployed by the empire tards does not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform irl we had blackboards ; and every teacher had asthma.
asciilifeform: they oughta wear nose cones.
mircea_popescu: did you have the chalk wars ?
mircea_popescu: (somebody came up with bright idea of making cone out of paper, filling with ground up chalk, then pumping it out of the narrow end. DESASTER!!! followed.
shinohai: I thought I recalled an article somewhere where these parents successfully sued a school for forcing their son to clap erasers as punishment because he developed breathing issues ....
mircea_popescu: that was one of the very few administrative rules that got actually obeyed. ~nobody wanted to see a rehash of the white horror.
mircea_popescu: shinohai is that pizza slice a reference to the 4chan child pron thing ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i like everything about whiteboards save for the smell (and how they get porous and uneraseable over fairly short time) << on the latter part here, i agree. i kinda made a mistake. the one i bought is ~ok~, but when it starts to get bad, I'm gonna buy a new one that is glass.
mod6: those ones never go bad.
mircea_popescu: mod6 buy the nice bohemian glass. (shards sold to idiots as "swarowski crystals" hurr). those also never scratch.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: prolly
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, thanks for the tip!
asciilifeform: mod6: the stick-and-peel films also work
mircea_popescu: it's just leaded glass irl.
mod6: ah. ok
asciilifeform: cheapo, you put it right on the wall, if it wears out -- peel off, dump
mod6: asciilifeform: noted.
ben_vulpes: old windows with the backs painted are a pleasing aesthetic alt
ben_vulpes: ragragra child get off my keyboard
ben_vulpes: alternative to sterile white patches on the wall
asciilifeform: painted windows, you'd love nsa outposts, lol
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what, they mount fake painted windows to cube walls to convince drones the building has more ports than it actually does but painted over for security?
asciilifeform: think: usual american glass box office hell, but all windows painted on inside
ben_vulpes: well yes
ben_vulpes: i'm not saying /paint your windows/ i'm saying salvage some vintage hardwood window frames that don't seal, lack double-panes etc, and do something pretty with them.
mircea_popescu: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1064.02, vol: 8391.74520177 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1062.0, vol: 9709.32942 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1058.5, vol: 23558.13526354 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1006.491647, vol: 5672.15140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1060.051, vol: 3714.36133046 | Volume-weighted last average: 1054.40694027
ben_vulpes: last set girl made me had this subtle hand-done white-on-off-white chevron pattern
shinohai: http://archive.is/jst71 <<< More shots fired in the Google vs. Symantec warz
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: p-panama?
asciilifeform: belize ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633177 << i'll point out, FUCKGOATS even doubles as a (very small, actually 2nd smallest chip they sell) xilinx dev board...
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 15:03 mod6: i did wanna get a few xilinx boards to play with... but first ill see what I can learn with the other stuff I got. i also bought a soldering iron.
mircea_popescu: neither!
asciilifeform did in fact try the obvious, taking the freighters as a 40 m. scale, and walking the costlines on map. but failed.
asciilifeform: maybe these were very long ships. or very short...
mircea_popescu: i think much like the gps of yore, "civillian" maps not militarily accurate
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't spotted a fudged coastline on google's map yet -- dun mean it ain't there.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo goes well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then how explain you the matchlessness of aerial photograph ?
asciilifeform: the limited ability of asciilifeform's puny brain ?
asciilifeform: a serious 13337d00d could , i imagine, perspective-transform the photo in his head, draw it, then immediately find on map.
mircea_popescu: ye olde analyst
mircea_popescu: (no joke, there's people whose whole career consists / ed of looking at grainy aerial barf to spot missile silos or whatnot)
asciilifeform: aha, it's a profession, wat.
mircea_popescu: about half of what droive the whole "image recognition ai" wank
mircea_popescu: could never hire enough of those.
asciilifeform: and before that, they dabbled in eldritch horrors, e.g. optical comparators
asciilifeform: (yes, ~analogue~ image search tool)
mircea_popescu: though that more for bombing and such time-sensitive ops
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's father, in ye olde su army, had a job in map-makin'
asciilifeform: and so asciilifeform played with various fragments of some of the gear, as a boy.
asciilifeform: (at that point, decades-old gear, even)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the truly mega-seekrit maps today are magnetometric, gravimetric, radio background, etc
mircea_popescu: ocean floor etc
asciilifeform: the radio is esp. interesting -- if you are anywhere near civilization, you can get a fairly accurate idea of exactly where, with a directional antenna and one of those pc radio dongles.
mircea_popescu: prolly every other wifi hotspot broadcasts 3 decimal accurate longitude/latitude anyway
asciilifeform: long before 'hotspots' etc , in '80s su, there was a prototype warhead that pinpointed final leg (descent) by map of radio spectrum
asciilifeform: (optional fine-vernier -- if enemy has turned off his cities, and no radio -- reverts to classical inertially guided notion of where it is)
BingoBoingo: AHA, CONELRAD
mthreat: mircea_popescu: en viaje - donde?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/arkansas-facing-shortage-of-snuff-fans-to-watch-executions/ << Qntra - Arkansas Facing Shortage Of Snuff Fans To Watch Executions
mthreat: oh we're guessing, nm :)
asciilifeform: 'It's ok Jeff, if this new thing will have to be the Real Bitcoin then this new thing WILL be the Real Bitcoin. Point blank: money will never tolerate the sort of crap that has been pouring out of devtroop for the past while. I don't care you(*)'ve been dorking around with it for years and nobody told you it's wrong, that doesn't make it right, that just makes the little coven irrelevant enough. If current Bitcoin can't be made into
asciilifeform: good Bitcoin then sucks for current Bitcoin, it is no different from Novacoin or whatever flavor of the week failed altchain.' (mpoepr)
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/computing-constraints-limit-amazons-brick-and-mortar-adventure-with-shopsize-limit/ << Qntra - Computing Constraints Limit Amazon's Brick And Mortar Adventure with "Shopsize" Limit
shinohai: Sorry BingoBoingo .... can we strike the "an" from before "Ethereum-like bugs" ?
shinohai: My mistake
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
shinohai: thx o/
mod6: Today is like christmas.
mod6: FGs have arrived. :]
asciilifeform: congrats mod6 !!
asciilifeform: happy FUCKGOATSing.
mod6: Cheers asciilifeform! Many thanks.
mod6: Very nice packaging I might add.
asciilifeform: do an 'unbox' photo mod6 !111
mod6: sure thing.
asciilifeform: oh neato jurov
asciilifeform: are these different from the one in the Lions book ?
jurov: there's more versions
asciilifeform: i'll read any more sysv5 after i finish brezhnev.
asciilifeform: and kim il sung.
asciilifeform: how did it go, 'man who has not read sysv, is illiterate; man who has read nothing but sysv, is also illiterate' (or was it marx..)
jurov: http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2017-March/009354.html butbut heroic effort!!!1 by numerous people over many years!!!1
danielpbarron: btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632959 << mp's advice of "flee the country" is in accordance with scripture.
asciilifeform: incidentally jurov mit released, back in '90s, its lispm sources (the ones licensed by symbolics, ti, and lmi for megabux) under similar license.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 04:16 trinque: kinda hard to square "turn the other cheek" and "render unto caesar" with ~doing anything~
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632983 << there is no necessary evil. Catholicism leads to hell www.atruechurch.info/catholicism.html
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 04:25 BingoBoingo: <trinque> catholic seems much more likely to sin now, pray later << AKA, infrustructre to handle need for believers to do "necessary" "evils"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED62D7C8B4D9F7D45ACE9CFD2A4F743CD3353BF89595AA9510535369584247BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1480...0843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.61.4.128 (ssh-rsa key from 193.61.4.128 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (sideshow.psyc.bbk.ac.uk. GB)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED62D7C8B4D9F7D45ACE9CFD2A4F743CD3353BF89595AA9510535369584247BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1555...6339 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.61.4.128 (ssh-rsa key from 193.61.4.128 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (sideshow.psyc.bbk.ac.uk. GB)
asciilifeform: SCHOOL OF PSYCHOLOGICAL SCIENCES Birkbeck, University of London << lel
mod6: Alright! FG unboxing pics:
asciilifeform: oh hey.
asciilifeform indeed had sent something looking quite like this, to mod6 !111
mod6: :]
asciilifeform: mod6: any reason i shouldn't link to these externally ?
mod6: not at all.
mircea_popescu: mthreat that's being guessed upon!
shinohai: mircea_popescu: ever visited Valparaiso ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai "it's" bid!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/99AF8C8235EA010866A21AAD3160ABD9ABBB00160321045FF2A094B6BFF8F1C9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1520...5187 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.167.195.204 (ssh-rsa key from 195.167.195.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (reverse.completel.net. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/99AF8C8235EA010866A21AAD3160ABD9ABBB00160321045FF2A094B6BFF8F1C9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1647...2127 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.167.195.204 (ssh-rsa key from 195.167.195.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (reverse.completel.net. FR)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: coast of brazil
asciilifeform: somewhere.
asciilifeform: then i utterly nfi
mircea_popescu: brazil has some incredibly hot black women, but it's too hot altogether.
mircea_popescu: cheaper tro move the hotties than to alter the climate.
shinohai: In adition, Brazil has some some of the most callipygous ladies in SA
mircea_popescu: ah. worldwide, really. best in big butts.
asciilifeform: ' I'VE NEVER sailed the Amazon, I've never reached Brazil; But the Don and Magdalena, They can go there when they will! ... Oh, I'd love to roll to Rio Some day before I'm old!' (tm)(r)kipling
shinohai: oh sorry, sa for `South America`
shinohai looks at trilema article finally, sees "Linda Vista", thinks of Paraguay .....
asciilifeform: lol why would he go to paraguay.
shinohai: Perhaps he needs Indian slaves to work on the sugar plantation.
mthreat: how broad can we guess the location? can I start with continent?
mircea_popescu: shinohai tis not the republica oriental, no.
mthreat wants to do this search in log(n) time
mircea_popescu: mthreat do what amuses you shall be the whole of the law!1
mthreat: colombia
mircea_popescu: mthreat nah.
shinohai: He surely would not have went to Colombia without getting a copy of my slut list first.
danielpbarron: indonesia
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nope.
mthreat: Calafate
mircea_popescu: mthreat in teh interest of human suffering and spurious torture ima limit the guesses to one per day per person. so tomorrow!
mthreat: fair 'nuff
mircea_popescu: how's tricks in austin anwyays ?
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
shinohai: kudos for stripping the exif data so we can't geolocate.
asciilifeform: shinohai: civilized cameras don't exifate
asciilifeform: ( though i'd like to patch mine, to always give , e.g., semipalatinsk. )
mircea_popescu: in other sad fucking news : i'm now buying fucking homeopathy products.
mircea_popescu: why ? because the imbeciles that there's no other "mainstream" idiots won't make toothpaste withouyt fluoride.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: austin's good, but i'm somewhere else at the moment. hint: i recently flew over butch cassidy's ranch house.
mircea_popescu: the insane dilutionist tribe - do. so what can i do ? i buy from the weirdos.
asciilifeform: mthreat: the 'albatross' still worx?
mircea_popescu: was thaty like wyoming ?
asciilifeform: ( or what was it he had )
mircea_popescu: he bought it cvasi new and spent the first year dicking around with paperworks, i imaghine it still got years of juice.
asciilifeform: i keep seeing parts for it, on 'ebay' etc.
asciilifeform: must be mega-popular machine.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "purchases credited to their accounts"?
mthreat: asciilifeform: it works, but i'm not flying it yet
mircea_popescu: o really ?!
mthreat: ya you need 1000 hours logged to get the type rating
asciilifeform still astonished to hear that mthreat returned to gringolandia
mthreat: i don't have that yet
mircea_popescu: 1k hours... that's a long, expensive time.
ben_vulpes: flugenhobby
BingoBoingo: ty ben_vulpes fxd
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: anytime
mircea_popescu: did we do the huston vs austin texan war yet btw ?
ben_vulpes: where are my copy editing qntra shares
mthreat: actually i just had the houston vs. austin discussion this morning on another channel with some friends!
trinque: mircea_popescu: long as they keep the californians they imported, I'm fine with it.
mod6: holy smokes
BingoBoingo wonder if MP is in Peru
ben_vulpes: anywhoodle, provisionally successful with gentoo quest ppc edition
asciilifeform: congrats ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: post recipe?
doppler: what's the target system?
ben_vulpes: the only thing not in the ppc handbook (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:PPC) is that ybin MUST be run from the chroot.
ben_vulpes: doppler: g5 towers
doppler: godspeed
doppler: they're fun, *when they actually work* :)
ben_vulpes looks at the working ppc
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what else would 'recipe' entail?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has apparently nominated himself tester of all things bigendian nao!11111
asciilifeform: afaik nobody else has one.
doppler: i've had to deal with lots of broken ones
ben_vulpes: doppler: in what ways do they typically go south?
doppler: power supply failure, liquid coolant leak, and just general motherboard stability
doppler: i suppose in the latter respect, they're no worse than the later G4s
phf: there are no provisions in bitcoin client for endianness support, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/src/serialize.h#L124 (that's the basic implementation, but also similarly assumptions are baked into other parts of serialize.h)
asciilifeform: phf: this is quite correct
asciilifeform: it idiotically relies on 'natural' littleendianness.
phf: it idiotically relies on good old struct mapping
asciilifeform: well yes
phf: you could probably get away with just patching serialize.h though since most of the rest of code relies on it (i.e. both networking and fs code)
BingoBoingo: If I recall a certain sede vacantist patched PRB in some way for big endian.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/us-securities-regulator-denies-another-paper-bitcoin-trading-instrument/ << Qntra - US Securities Regulator Denies Another "Paper Bitcoin" Trading Instrument
ben_vulpes: !!up ohae it's a CompanionCube
deedbot: ohae voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: !!up CompanionCube lookie there!
deedbot: CompanionCube voiced for 30 minutes.
CompanionCube: ben_vulpes: greetings. I saw you mention me in the logs.
ben_vulpes: aya, 'tis odd to see a feller rated in the #trilema wot but not...in #trilema
ben_vulpes: welcome!
ben_vulpes: !!v E13742AC2567DEF14AC85727A2080AEFD3F87DCEF19B2B169C0EDB786EBE10A8
deedbot: ben_vulpes rated CompanionCube 1 << new blood
CompanionCube: it was one of the things that tipped me over the fence from 'just reading' to 'might as well join now'
ben_vulpes: should be able to voice yourself now
doppler: CompanionCube: welcome.
ben_vulpes: in re mircea_popescu's classic "girl bouncing around on all fours for a treat": http://68.media.tumblr.com/2dcd3ac18dfdbcd51fe376d5479591cc/tumblr_nratjy81nR1rs6a2oo1_400.gif
shinohai: http://archive.is/t1z2A <<< Jack Dorsey totally understands how this encryption thing works .....
CompanionCube apologizes for the stupidity of the home secretary and UK government
ben_vulpes: you just don't get to run a payment processor in fiatlandia without being on a /really/ short leash.
asciilifeform: shinohai: in fact d00d is more of an 'honest crook' than, e.g., crapple, goes straight to 'my crock of shit is porous and censored', rather than pretenses of 'resistance'
shinohai: Heh, true.
asciilifeform: 'you have entered the rape pit, 5 cents / hour' vs 'this is a sanatorium, no rapes in past 150 yrs, honest!1!!!'
Framedragger: CompanionCube: in my view they're just continuing on a well-set path... opportunistically used london terror attack to repeat 'e2e encryption is going away' to acclimatise folks when they're more 'receptive'... etc.
CompanionCube: Framedragger: it's to be expected - this isn't their first time around this merry-go-round obviously. At least Dorsey made sense unlike the homesec
Framedragger: aha yeah.
CompanionCube: David Cameron was doing this same thing more or less the same time last year.
asciilifeform: pretense of non-snooping is ~expensive~ -- good parallel-constructors don't work for minimal wage.
CompanionCube: Encryption backdoors would tail nicely with the Investigatory Powers Act and it's technical capability notices.
ben_vulpes: good luck sticking new backdoors in the old gpg source
shinohai: "We'll just make you new gcc compile backdoors into itself"
CompanionCube: shinohai: that would be at least interesting to look at and analyze
asciilifeform: how many, incidentally, 'coke machine' prisoners in ye olde britain? anybody ever even counted?
phf: no, because gb is roughly as relevant as albania
ben_vulpes: elbonia!
CompanionCube: well, self-voicing works
asciilifeform: welcome, CompanionCube .
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1042.61, vol: 9074.60117998 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1038.819, vol: 9835.46768 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1045.0, vol: 26267.13525601 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1002.452307, vol: 5465.05330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1042.133, vol: 4655.17553884 | Volume-weighted last average: 1039.0620549
BingoBoingo: Interior Painting Protip: The right tool for applying paint to surfaces is a 2 inch angle sash brush.
pete_dushenski: solid news day
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633392 << wd eh! my new firewire cable just arrived so my openbsd quest can resume once more. fingers crossed.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 21:09 ben_vulpes: anywhoodle, provisionally successful with gentoo quest ppc edition
ben_vulpes: openbsd settles quite nicely onto old macs
ben_vulpes: what do you need with the firewire cable?
pete_dushenski: for 'target disk mode' from other machine
pete_dushenski: wasn't having any success with usb or cd
pete_dushenski: oh i will :)
pete_dushenski: also cracked open mathematica 9 last night. lots on the plate!
asciilifeform: didn't i warn folx re mathematica ?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/dnc-follows-clitlers-lead-fires-entire-staff/ << Qntra - DNC Follows Clitler's Lead, Fires Entire Staff
phf: the only legitimate way of running mathematica is knuth style: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/screen.jpeg
pete_dushenski: you warn folks about looking out window, asciilifeform. watch out for black van stealing your turkey recipes!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: that ain't it
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the problem is that it is entirely like a dope habit
asciilifeform: it took asciilifeform YEARS to kick mathematica.
ben_vulpes: what does asciilifeform use instead? maxima?
pete_dushenski: phf: i'm not worthy of knuthdom
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: bare hands
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aye aye
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you have a macturd in the logz link in latest qntra
ben_vulpes: space in the "for your leftism" link too, if that's not the turd in q
asciilifeform: under 'leftism'
doppler: phf: -- Motif graphics initialized --
doppler: phf: except, nope
phf: fvwm
doppler: what about it?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: please to beleet "%20" from last link there
CompanionCube: doppler: except for the nextsteppy clock in the top right
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: cheers
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
doppler: oh haha, i was referring to mathematica's init message
doppler: love that clock though
phf: oh, you meant "nope" in a sense that you're not going to run it. duly noted.
doppler: why is knuth's username "uno"?
doppler: is he numero uno?
phf: there's probably some obscure reason which warrants a detail footnote in one of this books. or you need to mail him a letter and he'll dedicate a detailed response to it
doppler: hahaha
phf: but apparently he has a chinese name "gao dena" given to him by frances yao
asciilifeform: was that the d00d who drove perelman into exile ?
phf: that's francis yao
phf: i think that was huai-dong cao, or maybe it was the xiping zhu. i don't remember now which one of those two was the main guy
asciilifeform: i definitely remember a yao.
phf: oh oh, shing-tung yau
asciilifeform: 'In September 2006, Yau established a public relations website, which disputed points in it. Seventeen mathematicians, including two quoted in the New Yorker article, posted letters of strong support. On October 17, 2006, a more sympathetic profile of Yau appeared in The New York Times. ... The article stated that Yau had alienated some colleagues, but represented Yau's position as that Perelman's
asciilifeform: proof was not generally understood and he "had a duty to dig out the truth of the proof". ' -- pediw.
asciilifeform aspires to OneDay achieve the mega-highscore of writing a thing that 'requires' a chinese 'digger of truth'...
phf: pretty sure can go to china now, ghost write for their mathematical aristocracy. it's now a well established russian tradition
asciilifeform: i did it right here in usa, lol
asciilifeform: pays moar.
asciilifeform: sucks ==.
ben_vulpes: welp emacs ~works on the ppc, insofar as emacs can be said to work
asciilifeform: why the ~
asciilifeform: what unworks
ben_vulpes: org-babel shat itself when a directory in the tempfiles path didn't exist up front
ben_vulpes: or perhaps the temporary file machinery itself shat itself
ben_vulpes: either way, i crufted some state onto the station and it works now.
phf: if you're going to try crosscompiling things from one openbsd machine to your older ppc boxes make sure you have the right os versions set. the abi changes, and that bit me a few times
asciilifeform: phf: does static linking work on openbsd ?
phf: yes
phf: in fact, i static linked a copy of trb on a recent machine (5.6 say), and then moved it to a libretto (that was running 5.3 or whatever) and the binary booted and worked, but then silently failed on some system calls.
phf: yeah, exactly.
asciilifeform: that doesn't sound like 'static linking works'
asciilifeform: it sounds like 'pretends to work'
asciilifeform: a la glibc.
phf: it's not the static linking that gets you, it's the lack of stable abi. binary loads, but fails to do the right thing on system call
asciilifeform: phf: this was the original drepperist excuse for 'shadow banning' static linking, 'oh forget it, no MODERN!11 os has a stable abi'
phf: "we shat in your soup. we then threw out all the soup utensils, who eats soup with shit anyway, fuck is wrong wit you!1"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 'tv raft'.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b
asciilifeform: from what phf has described ( and from my own experiments ) it is not clear to me that openbsd is salvageable .
asciilifeform: ( possibly -- if some hero devotes several years to it, trb-style -- but even then )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 17:51 jurov: http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/ Original SystemV sources published
ben_vulpes: phf: gentoo for now
phf: i just opened an openbsd laptop a second ago and it greeted me with ddb (kernel debugger on panic)
asciilifeform: and i thought my openbsd 'libretto' that loses its x11 frame buffer was rotten
phf: this is an x60 too
asciilifeform: pretty sad.
asciilifeform: where exactly does it work reliably.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1633390 << nope. though great guess, peru is pretty cool.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 21:06 BingoBoingo wonder if MP is in Peru
asciilifeform: i was hoping for peru!111 land of delish guinea pig steak.
asciilifeform: ( what places even left, that nobody's guessed yet.. )
asciilifeform: only hint so far is that it's a donkeystan
mircea_popescu: i am enjoying a newfound love of "el condor pasa" btw. it's a fucking epic song if one reads the ORIGINAL SPANISH TEXT.
asciilifeform: but this isn't much to go on.
asciilifeform: aha SPAIN!
mircea_popescu: rather than the dorky usgistan cover lyurics.
asciilifeform: well not spain, but spanish lands
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes check it out, naked slut entering cvasi-whats-that-triangle-thing-called !
phf: could be spain proper
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 21:23 phf: there are no provisions in bitcoin client for endianness support, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/src/serialize.h#L124 (that's the basic implementation, but also similarly assumptions are baked into other parts of serialize.h)
mircea_popescu: o hai phf. but no, isn't in leon-y-castillia
asciilifeform: aww, just when i thought mircea_popescu might have gone to help the basques nail the occupant scum
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, with the fleet under wing, "this is eagle-1, standby for launch over."
asciilifeform: nah, as partizan commander
mircea_popescu: buncha girls naked but for the aks... i could see it.
asciilifeform: Hasta siempre, Comandante!111
a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 22:08 ben_vulpes: in re mircea_popescu's classic "girl bouncing around on all fours for a treat": http://68.media.tumblr.com/2dcd3ac18dfdbcd51fe376d5479591cc/tumblr_nratjy81nR1rs6a2oo1_400.gif
shinohai now has an idea to reswell the ranks of FARC with camhos ....
mircea_popescu: !#s "fa9a2501411802f10f1ddcaf88a17b7f"
a111: 3 results for "\"fa9a2501411802f10f1ddcaf88a17b7f\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22fa9a2501411802f10f1ddcaf88a17b7f%22
mircea_popescu: so we did.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i thought the farc finally went on the govt dole last month.
phf: sort of how spk was training a group of schizophrenics for revolutionary activity, making bombs, etc. the whole place blew up.
mircea_popescu: Sermaye Piyasası Kurulu ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose this'd hafta be sermaye pizdiasi kurgolu
phf: sozialistisches patientenkollektiv
mircea_popescu: (the turkish sec, for a lol)
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170328/#547 << an blair was doing the exact same thing ten fucking years ago.
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [22:20:09] <CompanionCube> David Cameron was doing this same thing more or less the same time last year.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170328/#579 << for some reason "Exec exec unclutter" made me lol. i expect i don't understand how thr world etc.
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:04:56] <phf> the only legitimate way of running mathematica is knuth style: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/screen.jpeg
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 01:45 asciilifeform: quite srsly, i'd like to know : phf now uses what? 'ed' ? does he still write programs for money ? in commonlisp? in selfsame 'ed' ?
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:06:25] <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: bare hands
mircea_popescu: why is everything so lulzy all the time! why!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633557 << i've been greatly enjoying not needing ANY of that nonsense in 'nqb'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 00:13 a111: Logged on 2017-03-28 21:23 phf: there are no provisions in bitcoin client for endianness support, e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles/tree/bitcoin/src/serialize.h#L124 (that's the basic implementation, but also similarly assumptions are baked into other parts of serialize.h)
asciilifeform: ( and fought, successfully, the temptation to release the thing before the mmap'd replaces-all-the-db-and-indices thing is properly done )
asciilifeform: btw storing actual physical locations in all of the places where a tx refers to other tx, saves megatonne of time as well as space. (and in case it isn't obvious, it remains possible to reconstitute the original tx, noshit, we store the 256-bit sha2(sha2(x)) hash of a tx ONCE on the disk -- or whole thing'd be useless )
asciilifeform: outputs also get a place to store 'who-spent', which is an index to the input who spends them (if such exists.) this is practical because the main db is not affected by reorgs (only 'nursery' is. currently i've defined 'nursery' to store the leading train of 144 blox. this is adjustible.)
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:28:09] <asciilifeform> proof was not generally understood and he "had a duty to dig out the truth of the proof". ' -- pediw.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, whichj isn't much, i don't expect perelman gave much of a shit about it all before, either. not exactly "driven into" or anythjing
asciilifeform: 'driven' may be wrong word.
mircea_popescu: "who the fuck are yo uto be giving me awards anyway" might well have been set to happen regardless.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one mega-q is what to do with the knobs that never got turned, but could turn. e.g., sequence numbers.
mircea_popescu: this is so.
asciilifeform: theoretically trb & prb permit 'tx replacement' idiocy
mircea_popescu: especially because ineptly unspecified design space creates the latter possibility of a sort of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632676 which is entirely "legitimate" ie perfectly silent
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:06 mp_en_viaje: wuille comes along, "expands" for the africa box A. now the design is broken, in that item in B will correspond to both a and a'
mircea_popescu: "oh, knob now cooks frogs. problem ?"
asciilifeform: aha, specifically this
mircea_popescu: i dunno how we correctly sear this open sore.
mircea_popescu: "design is fucking hard -- you gotta specify ALL you gotta specify AND NO MORE!!1" sigh.
asciilifeform: i must confess, this is 90% of the work there will be, in any attempt to convert nqb into a btctron.
mircea_popescu: i expect.
mircea_popescu: what was the initialism standing for, did i miss ?
asciilifeform: ( as it is, it is simply a REALLY fast block and tx flow explorer )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'not quite bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170328/#637 << this incidentally is a very fine point.
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:51:43] <phf> it's not the static linking that gets you, it's the lack of stable abi. binary loads, but fails to do the right thing on system call
asciilifeform: it is a proggy that came out of asciilifeform's slow adaization of all known-permanent bitcoin protocol
mircea_popescu: "my stove dun work", fine, but it isn't because the gas is wet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently it eats blocks and tx in a heapless and demonstrably nonoverflowable way, into a general-purpose fixed space (no tx can >1MB) representation that is operable in O(1)
mircea_popescu: this is rather nice a model.
asciilifeform: (i.e. fetching an output or input is a simple array access)
asciilifeform: these will end up 'interned', i.e. represented in the db, in such a way that any tx referred to inside a tx is fetched in O(1)
scriba: Logged on 2017-03-28: [23:57:45] <asciilifeform> ( possibly -- if some hero devotes several years to it, trb-style -- but even then )
mircea_popescu: not even a joke, this.
asciilifeform: (because the reference is a simple integer, showing where thing is found!)
asciilifeform: stains -- always remain.
mircea_popescu: myeah. the blockstain.
mircea_popescu: in other oh wows, elena udrea (ro slut politician, quite successful. http://trilema.com/2009/super-terrific-caption-hour-part-i/ ) got convicted for nothing in particular (her party no longer in power), 5 years.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that at any point since henry was the "legal system" so much of a joke.
asciilifeform: ye olde natostan
mircea_popescu: 43 yo, unsuspended sentence
mircea_popescu: it dun look good for clitler, fwtw.
asciilifeform: what was it, 'corruption' ??
mircea_popescu: wth else. witchcraft.
shinohai: Why yes, I *do* want to follow you upstairs.
asciilifeform: phunphakt : the only synthetic cloth fiber that isn't shit ( as, e.g., nylon : flammable, melts on skin, crumbling under sunlight, etc ) is made in... north kr! >> https://fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/facility/industry38.htm
asciilifeform: needs 0 petro, even.
asciilifeform: and apparently jp finally has a pilot plant, http://www.unitika.co.jp/vinylon/e/vinylon/index.html
asciilifeform: invented, incidentally, by d00d who was fired from professorship by usg colonizers of south kr; fled north.
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