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BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1011.0, vol: 6276.01099182 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1041.411, vol: 7044.08486 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1011.4, vol: 19473.97261877 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1004.782548, vol: 3225.73610000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1010.27, vol: 2189.93770377 | Volume-weighted last average: 1016.24349885
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 458664 | Current Difficulty: 4.75705205061E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 459647 | Next Difficulty In: 983 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DD0E3BF781D9B479A5A11759C4734E7CE1B0337D61A5BCA40DA463A043E15F5B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...1257 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.121.14.60 (ssh-rsa key from 87.121.14.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (smokeping.telecablenet.com. BG 13)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DD0E3BF781D9B479A5A11759C4734E7CE1B0337D61A5BCA40DA463A043E15F5B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1523...0437 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.121.14.60 (ssh-rsa key from 87.121.14.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (smokeping.telecablenet.com. BG 13)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/89F2BE8C94DAD5488600E218B2222796FDD09E4DCBE514B8950303B881F296E7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1428...2217 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.174.144.169 (ssh-rsa key from 80.174.144.169 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (80.174.144.169.dyn.user.ono.com. ES B CT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/89F2BE8C94DAD5488600E218B2222796FDD09E4DCBE514B8950303B881F296E7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1597...5647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.174.144.169 (ssh-rsa key from 80.174.144.169 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (80.174.144.169.dyn.user.ono.com. ES B CT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D1931707C20DD7D7544512D8996E77CB83EAA7332A20F0B2975F28A9B21CF83 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1375...1783 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.163.154.248 (ssh-rsa key from 83.163.154.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (a83-163-154-248.adsl.xs4all.nl. NL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D1931707C20DD7D7544512D8996E77CB83EAA7332A20F0B2975F28A9B21CF83 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1724...8379 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.163.154.248 (ssh-rsa key from 83.163.154.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (a83-163-154-248.adsl.xs4all.nl. NL)
ben_vulpes: jeeeesus the bruce sterling sxsw talk is fun
ben_vulpes: (paraphrasing) "ubi is great. pay off the taker class, and let the rich white guys who control all the capital and wrote the deep learning shit that took the bottom out of the commodity labor market make all the resource allocation decisions."
Framedragger: asciilifeform: parcel arrived at delivery office but (lol i was right) got held up by customs :D
Framedragger: never happened before, will be fun to inquire why
Framedragger: (i think it's just because there's a customs fee to be paid but will see - lulzy)
mircea_popescu submits qntra story, "terrorist going by Framedragger on deep web nicked by vigilant state agentura over DRUGS and CHILD PRONZ SHIPPED THROUGH STATE MAIL!!11 HONEST HE DID!"
Framedragger: *HER MAJESTY'S* mail
mircea_popescu: on questioning he had this to say : "tis a fair cop."
Framedragger: :D totally
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 06:21 ben_vulpes: (paraphrasing) "ubi is great. pay off the taker class, and let the rich white guys who control all the capital and wrote the deep learning shit that took the bottom out of the commodity labor market make all the resource allocation decisions."
Framedragger: (universal) basic income i assume
asciilifeform: Framedragger: aka landlord payola, lol
Framedragger: ycumbinator is funding some kind of experiment or some shit iirc
mircea_popescu: yeah, last ditch desperate attempt to keep the "real estate values" from going to the ~1 yuan / sqft reality sees them at.
shinohai remembers when reddit did a ubi "experiment" that gave PENNIES in Bitcoin to schmucks, was shut down by Ellen Pao
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/once-upon-a-time-in-cairo/ << Trilema - Once upon a time in Cairo
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4441079067885945F7C03C3BB9E8095A9892FC0F75477ACB5BF267F82E177ADD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1709...7889 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.145.194.72 (ssh-rsa key from 217.145.194.72 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LaszloCukPaka.MadNet.sk. SK NI)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4441079067885945F7C03C3BB9E8095A9892FC0F75477ACB5BF267F82E177ADD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1687...4569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.145.194.72 (ssh-rsa key from 217.145.194.72 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LaszloCukPaka.MadNet.sk. SK NI)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632315 << hard to picture that giving lusers 1k$/mo ea. would visibly nudge the pricing from lizard pov
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 13:48 mircea_popescu: yeah, last ditch desperate attempt to keep the "real estate values" from going to the ~1 yuan / sqft reality sees them at.
asciilifeform: ( from luser pov -- price is 'exactly same', landlord simply collects the usg payola )
asciilifeform: LaszloCukPaka.MadNet.sk << deserves some sort of medal for sheer orc host name. unfortunately -- dead.
mircea_popescu: of course it would. currently they dispose of about 1.5k a month.
mircea_popescu: bout a third of which goes towards supporting the nonsensical notion that real estate in the us is actually worth money.
asciilifeform: for so long as there's any money in usa, it is 'worth money', purely mechanically, that's how money is collected from the peons
mircea_popescu: you know, chumpatrons are a thing, yes, but there's no 0 cost extraction. there's plenty of chumps who, while carrying nonzero chumpatronium, are also worth below 0 on the chumpatron raw materials market.
asciilifeform: aha, just like petro
mircea_popescu: the us peons, much like the argentines (and every passing month more like the argentines) are not actually worth quartering the carcass.
mircea_popescu: think "kreutzfeld cattle".
asciilifeform: the reliable pill is of course the chinese-in-africa algo
mircea_popescu: and it is quite literally bovine sjw encephalopathy.
asciilifeform: barbed wire , mine field, machine gun for the locals who are slow to get the message; imported slaves working inside, extracting molybdenum or whichever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but part and parcel of that algo is that... real estate in the us... is not worth money.
mircea_popescu: not unless you get chinese deeds at any rate.
mircea_popescu: and last i checked you had to be in their party presidium whatever to qualify for deed issuance in colonies.
asciilifeform: seems likely
mircea_popescu: in related lulz : girl here got invited to a 5 day "history of argentina" "workshop". the schedule ? 4 days discussing "democracia".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the only point of argentine history worth even casual inspection is de rosas. who -- very pointedly NOT democracia. the contrary of democracia.
mircea_popescu: but, bovine sjw encephalopathy.
asciilifeform: de rosas << the .ar stalin neh
asciilifeform: betcha the chinese would shoot one if there even could be such a thing today.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only time argentina won over england.
mircea_popescu: but, notably, he was unanimously voted in power. something stalin ever tried to pretend to and emulate. guy had it naturally, people fucking loved him.
mircea_popescu: to this day it burns the libertard, the fact that no, democracy is NOT popular. rosas is.
asciilifeform: while he was winning, aha, loved.
mircea_popescu: pretty much throughout, actually. dude was like 80 when he died.
asciilifeform: didn't he die in england, living in some nowhere ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. strong law-and-order ticket, repressed the bums (social group that today in the us masquerades as "students") and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eventually the kingdom of brazil defeated them and he left yea.
asciilifeform: mega-napoleon
mircea_popescu: just about
mircea_popescu: certainly a much more respectable, as well as effectual, historical figure.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: had a few amusing scenarios for how 'ubi' might play out: "massive army", "un camps, did you know they've got refugee camps down to the point where it costs 1200 us/year to mostly keep them from killing each other?", "genocide" etc
mircea_popescu: afghanistan fambly lived happily for 1k/year pre usg tardation, for instance.
ben_vulpes: 60% leech factor isn't crazy
ben_vulpes: 20% is downright idealistic
ben_vulpes: ofc what that 1.2k per annum buys is depressingly further downmarket from the traditional afghani lifestyle
ben_vulpes: which is right in line with other threads elsewhere about how we got cvasi-marxism, where we vote ourselves more stuff every year but what gets delivered is a plastic sham of what was ordered. looks like everything is going to be free, but that 'everything' just serves to keep us anchored to our pocketscreens
ben_vulpes: and entirely unsurprisingly, the slippage on the country-wide market-clearing buy order doesn't show up in price (no, that'd hose the inflation numbers) but in crapflation
ben_vulpes: old thread
mircea_popescu: why use the mechanisms that work (but they work! which is unfair!11) when you could use no mechanisms at all and dream a little dream of things.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd be muych surprised if the average bloke in the us wouldn't actually prefer living as 1997 average afghanistani instead.
mircea_popescu: for one thing the food's lots better.
ben_vulpes: nah, he's been drinking progesterone from the recycled water for so long he's practically a woman
mircea_popescu: pretty sure average afghani woman happier than anything watching "friends"
mod6: ben_vulpes: niiiice.
ben_vulpes: may quite well be the case that babe who lives to obey and satisfy her man is far happier than careerist, independent, "i'll buy whatever dumb vehicle my emotions push me to!", but have fun making that sale to the americans attached to equality-at-any-cost
ben_vulpes: i saw this poster with some female athlete's face and burst out laughing the other day
ben_vulpes: "fucking what? you need your own leagues to even take a podium spot."
mircea_popescu: it's not nearly as unilateral as all that. 20yo afghani female is actually competent and appreciated for her competence. this is a damn sight more than anything hilary clinton ever achieved in her sad, contorted stump of a life
mircea_popescu: let alone all the wanna-bes looking in through the front window.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, she wasn't in the situation room!!11" hurr.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> "fucking what? you need your own leagues to even take a podium spot." << heheh
ben_vulpes: five minutes later i realized it was a commentary on /race/ and not /sex/
mod6: ah
ben_vulpes: and it looks like we're stuck with the aca.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, ACHTUNG s.nsa customers! aaalmost all FUCKGOATS -- shipped
ben_vulpes: > blessing /dev/sda2 with Holy Penguin Pee << wat
ben_vulpes: i have no idea, man
trinque: isn't bless the "make bootable" thinger on a mac?
ben_vulpes: sounds familiar
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632355 << orlol discussed this, and it was 100% true, 'homo americanus' has some very serious damage that is very expensive to build prosthesis for -- he has no family , no friends, no one will lend him money other than at extortionate rates, has no one alive whom he could live with in small hut, 5 to 10 sq. metres, without killing one another
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 19:28 mircea_popescu: afghanistan fambly lived happily for 1k/year pre usg tardation, for instance.
asciilifeform: the other end of it is that the afghani has no printing press dumping usd on him by the megatonne. and if he did -- someone would collect it back , yes
asciilifeform: in the form of imposed 'living expenses.'
asciilifeform: also where does the 1k figure come from ? for what does a smallholder-farmer even need money.
trinque: and guess who
trinque: wuille
asciilifeform: iirc he's most of what's left of prb in terms of working hands, neh
trinque: "From a privacy standpoint, Schnorr allows the entire policy of the multisig to be obscured and indistinguishable from a conventional single pubkey." << and what happens when the indistinguishability flows the other way...
asciilifeform: trinque: it's a multilayered shit-sandwich: aside from the crackpot 'infinite number of sigs in finite sized crate' aspect entirely:
asciilifeform: multisig is an evil
asciilifeform: its ultimate purpose -- equiv. of 1990s-style key escrow.
trinque: aha, entirely.
trinque: and I take the above to mean they'd be able to craft multi-sig transactions that are signature equivalent to a single-sig I create.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-27 17:38 asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).'
trinque: I expect that the Snore signature is easily collided by some means; obviously I'm not sitting here with the exploit in hand.
trinque: and that the intent is to be able to malleate transactions into multisig
asciilifeform: afaik classical ecdsa doesn't 'malleate' into it
trinque: they say in the article that they would want to convert the whole existing chain to this scheme
asciilifeform: though there's nothing to keep crackpot alts from wrapping whatever they want around existing sigs
trinque: maybe I misread.
trinque: it's not clear; they propose replacing the existing signature checking OPs entirely, so maybe the crackpot idea is schnorr past certain block
trinque: if replaced, I dunno how anyone would -verifyall
asciilifeform: afaik prb hasn't 'verifyall' for years nao.
asciilifeform: or anything equivalent.
trinque: lulk, no problem then
asciilifeform: 'what the hell do you want with those old blocks, terrorist'
trinque: sometimes it's hard to contort oneself to the fatlogic required to read these things
asciilifeform: !!up TomServo
deedbot: TomServo voiced for 30 minutes.
TomServo: Ahoy there.
TomServo: I was just curious if anyone else saw this in there trb, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WRtLs/?raw=true
TomServo: Didn't see mention in the logs.
TomServo: their*
asciilifeform: lemme check.
ben_vulpes: not here
TomServo: Mine ran like that until presently, when I restarted it. Waiting to see what happens.
asciilifeform: negative TomServo
asciilifeform: not found any such thing on either of my nodes.
asciilifeform: TomServo: is there anything peculiar about the clock on that box ?
TomServo: asciilifeform: I'll check.
asciilifeform: check also that the disk is not full.
asciilifeform: TomServo: is the linked snippet the earliest occurrence of the string InvalidChainFound in your debug.log ?
asciilifeform: look for the earliest mention, and also for 'Reorganize failed' and 'ConnectBlock failed', and post plz.
TomServo: asciilifeform: time is okay, other than trb logs being gmt system is cdt. disk okay. Yes, earliest.
asciilifeform: TomServo: what happened when you restarted ? post the first MB or so of log after the restart.
TomServo: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Vimd4/?raw=true reorg / connect block failed
asciilifeform: where was this
asciilifeform: prior to the 1st segment ? or after ?
asciilifeform: also what patch set do you use, TomServo ? my trb doesn't have time stamps, for instance.
asciilifeform: and how did you come up with these pastes ? shouldn't the 03/20/17 01:19:27 and 03/20/17 01:19:28 piece have appeared INSIDE the one at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632424 ?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 21:40 TomServo: I was just curious if anyone else saw this in there trb, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WRtLs/?raw=true
TomServo: I just tail for height, I'm going through the whole debug now.
asciilifeform: i think something is wrong with your clock, TomServo
asciilifeform: this box runs ntp ?
asciilifeform: from your pastes it looks to me like your clock runs nonmonotonically !!
asciilifeform: consider : ( apologies for log clutter ) :
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 00:29:46 SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000000009f height=458050 work=85971757952375240341601331
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 00:33:38 SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000000016f height=458051 work=85973801121849809044067940
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=00000000000000000056 height=458053 work=85977887460798946449001158
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: current best=0000000000000000016f height=458051 work=85973801121849809044067940
asciilifeform: ~~ vs ~~
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:27 AcceptToMemoryPool(): accepted 329a98ff2b
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:27 received block 00000000000000000056
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 REORGANIZE
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: Reorganize() : ConnectBlock failed
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=00000000000000000056 height=458053 work=85977887460798946449001158
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: current best=0000000000000000016f height=458051 work=85973801121849809044067940
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: SetBestChain() : Reorganize failed
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : AddToBlockIndex failed
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED
asciilifeform: how can these occur in the same debug.log if the clock were monotonic.
asciilifeform: at some point, time flowed backwards...
asciilifeform: hence the block rejection.
asciilifeform: now, ~why~ TomServo's clock ran backwards, i do not know.
ben_vulpes: eh? timestamps?
TomServo: Hmmm, little late to be getting caught up with daylight savings..
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: he must've put in timestamps, at some point, iirc a few people did
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: comparing timestamps above and below vs ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: think for 5min.
TomServo: Don't waste any more time on it. I'll verify some things.
asciilifeform: nono this is interesting
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these two pastes are supposed to be from same debug.log
ben_vulpes: i see
asciilifeform: and contiguous internally
asciilifeform: physically impossible without a broken clock.
ben_vulpes: yeah i see it now. the ~~ ~~ confused me.
asciilifeform: (or , alternatively, a catastrophically buggy timestamp printer )
asciilifeform: TomServo: do me a favour, post your entire debug.log somewhere.
asciilifeform: i dun care if it's 100G, i'll load it, promise.
asciilifeform: not so long ago i ate mircea_popescu's , what, 200G one.
asciilifeform: TomServo: odd, i don't see anything re timestamps in there
TomServo: Not quite a 1G, I have to restart it a lot. I'll find somewhere for it.
asciilifeform: TomServo: gzip, post plx.
asciilifeform: whole file.
asciilifeform: alternatively you can write the perl script to find when your clock ran backwards, yourself.
TomServo: I'm starting with a -logtimestamps switch.
asciilifeform: !!up TomServo
deedbot: TomServo voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^
asciilifeform: also i betcha you can replicate this effect by moving clock back.
asciilifeform: ( somebody with a node on a lan, that nothing is relying on -- try it )
asciilifeform: at any rate imho the log paste nails it, case closed.
TomServo: Before my voice goes, trinque how do I get unwiped from the wot?
ben_vulpes: TomServo: have you tried registering?
TomServo: If I recall, there was a case sensitivity issue during the schism
TomServo: ben_vulpes: I had ratings previously.
trinque: long since remedied
trinque: TomServo: I didn't delete any data, but I'm happy to look into it.
trinque: lemme see what was in the original export
trinque: TomServo: ah yep I see what's wrong, fixing it
TomServo: trinque: cool. thanks.
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot TomServo
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
trinque: TomServo: teh ministry of deedbutt thanks you for your report
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/sears-running-out-of-things-to-sell/ << Qntra - Sears Running Out Of Things To Sell
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