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mod6: Yeah, was just clicking on it to see the upclose JTAG points, but ya, didn't find the image.
asciilifeform: ty mod6 .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dunno if this is newsworthy, it is only interesting to VERY small circle of people.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is incredibly newsworthy
mod6: alf: np
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The is probably the biggest Republican news since Phuctor's recent victories.
asciilifeform: eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.
asciilifeform: i have massive pile of this crapola.
asciilifeform: dug out because recent (phf thread) resurgence of 'maybe lisp on x86 in bios' thought.
asciilifeform: thing plugs happily into 'pcengines' board from that thread, i will note.
BingoBoingo: This hoarding is insanity.
BingoBoingo: !~step9
jhvh1: 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: takes a while to clean these things for publication, and to come to some place where it is of any use.
asciilifeform: and yes, you can debug bios, etc.
BingoBoingo wonders what else is in the collection.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: buncha crud that prolly wouldn't even make elementary sense unless put in context.
BingoBoingo: this latest publication suggests otherwise
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/datskovskiy-cures-abandoned-sage-smartprobe/ << Qntra - Datskovskiy Cures Abandoned Sage SmartProbe
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-19#1545249 << probably going to reneg on this. binary-types handles the fixed-length types admirably, but i have been beating my head against the variable-length fields for days now to no avail.
ben_vulpes: ahem phf
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [02:17:12] <deedbot> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667 << Loper OS - A Complete Pill for the Sage SmartProbe.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#15 << not so ; the attitude as well as the possibility of success are of interest to the largest number of people speaking this language. especially if they currently don't know this. they may "proclaim irrelevant" whatever, but their green friend is interested in them.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:07:37] <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: dunno if this is newsworthy, it is only interesting to VERY small circle of people.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:30] <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: The is probably the biggest Republican news since Phuctor's recent victories.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#19 << so reconfigure your head ; stop doing that, it's miserable for the republic and bad enough for you.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:39] <asciilifeform> eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.
trinque: ...
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:14:49] <asciilifeform> it is at least theoretically possible to resist.
trinque: Framedragger: thing needs search and sensible nav.
mircea_popescu: eh! i guess now Framedragger gets to make scriba read btcbase for a little bit...
mircea_popescu: funny how this works lol.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:22:30] <asciilifeform> phf (and any other interested folk) if you have a bit of spare change, buy yourself a 'pcengines api2', either 2 or 4gb model, it's this comp that comes with schematics. then we can play.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#30 << remarkable how horribly bad he is editorially huh.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:25:42] <BingoBoingo> this latest publication suggests otherwise
trinque: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1262 << there is *no* end to the networked fun we can have with a machine meeting these humble requirements
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#33 << not really. block 0 (sometimes referred to as 1), ie the genesis block was handcrafted.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [05:34:46] <ben_vulpes> https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f << this looks entirely incorrect to people besides me, yes?
trinque: why didn't it fart mine?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes (if you think about it, the first block breaks with the software-as-protocol because eg it doesn't reference a prior block. rather than bake a test into code forever, more reasonable to just make it by hand.)
trinque: shame on the next person who implements any of this without consulting me first, given I handed you lot a full implementation of the logging part, and that I can't remember the last time I had to *touch* deedbot.
mircea_popescu: and the reason coinbase doesn't deserialize for you is that it contains that string arbitrarily.
mircea_popescu: "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"
mircea_popescu: trinque the logging part seems to work though
trinque: a111's gone
trinque: scriba I'm willing to bet is some other guy's python this kid bolted a thing to
mircea_popescu: lol. all this indiscipline...
mircea_popescu: ima start cracking skulls at this rate.
trinque: and appparently demonstrating some is insufficient.
trinque: aha.
mircea_popescu: !!up framedr_stillghe
deedbot: framedr_stillghe voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lol. hello there
framedr_stillghe: mornin'. so my gpg key is in another place, should have access this evening, or somesuch. (it's backed up and everything, but simply very inconvenient to retrieve it right now.)
framedr_stillghe: regarding bot: so, the problem is that on some days, some specific characters are recorded by znc which trip up the bot, which expects utf-8. those chars are not utf-8. not blaming this on irc, this should be handled of course
framedr_stillghe: apparently though it's not enough for bot to silently skim through shitty lines (until it reaches the quotable target) - the whole irc log for that day is not readable.
mircea_popescu: interesting.
framedr_stillghe: what needs to happen is, i need to rewrite the whole friggin' thing, and either ditch znc (while using it as backup log history channel, perhaps), or to understand why znc records some shitty chars.
framedr_stillghe: if i can do the latter then the problem is sorted. except for, you know, still having a viewer without search.
framedr_stillghe: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#67 << yeah, i said as much before! it's sopel, and i maintain that sopel itself is a decent piece of work. (which i can daemonize, maintain etc more easily,
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:55:50] <trinque> scriba I'm willing to bet is some other guy's python this kid bolted a thing to
framedr_stillghe: i.e. without being tripped up by nuances of sbcl, which i am sure exist.)
Framedragger: backups ftw
Framedragger: !~laserkittens
jhvh1: ,ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [08:35:51] <jhvh1> ,ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
Framedragger: i am not sure if i should spend time chasing encoding rabbit holes, or start on rewriting things. the logging part is otherwise reliable, after all. but i guess znc can be kept as a source of redundancy, and another logger *which knows wtf utf-8 is* does the primary logging.
Framedragger: (znc is configured to use utf-8 and to expect utf-8, before you ask.)
mircea_popescu: hey, your call.
Framedragger: yeah, kk
Framedragger: meanwhile have to do sector research on ICT. some people think it's a thing.
scriba: RESTARTING SELF. Reason given: scheduled test / maintenance
Framedragger: making things more robust, one shitty kiddo-python-line at a time
mircea_popescu: btw you're not logging in correctly.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you mean join chan before cloak applied? yeah i know :/ will fix later. want to robustify things as a matter of priority
mircea_popescu: well if anyone starts ddosing you, it'll be a matter of robustify :)
Framedragger: free robustness tests
mircea_popescu: might as well s/RESTARTING SELF. Reason given: /Restarting for /
Framedragger: sounds less robotic but agree, k
scriba: RESTARTING SELF. Reason given: update to cite btcbase's lines, too
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-18: [21:26:27] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#39 << sure. but obviously having both ends helps debug subtle corners and improves your control over the whole matter.☝︎
Framedragger: includes html escaping etc.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: random line cited which includes some html tags.
Framedragger: now if only bots could signal each other when they should stop citing each other's corresponding log lines :p but actually, since scriba will be slower to cite btcbase, it could check if a111 already cited the line, and if so, cancel retrieval. prolly will do this later.
scriba: Logged on 2013-05-02: [07:10:55] <truff1es> buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry
mircea_popescu: heh. each-reads-his-own was intended as a mechanism to encourage people to select the better package.
mircea_popescu: however, the problem with this theory is that in practice changing the logger is pretty traumatic.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [21:23:49] <phf> asciilifeform: we started with a single canonical log though, where kako's testimony was implicitly the word of tmsr. there was some anathem/"A Canticle for Leibowitz" jokes about it, the log files were deeded, etc. while working on btcbase i realized that there can be no canonical log without arbitration, i.e. because of netsplits, lost messages, out of order, clock skews you need a single author
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-14: [21:23:49] <phf> log. so at some point we were in "log according to btcbase" situation. with the recent move to multiple bots and more importantly multiple logs, we now have "log according to ..." model, which we can still though attempt to reconcile. once we move to gossip there can't even be a talk of single log. it's always "log according to whoever heard and relayed it" by design.
Framedragger: one side-effect from the above: it may therefore be that as one approaches the gossipd model / state of affairs, cooperation > minmax-style competition
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/ << Trilema - Full Loper-os blogroll review
scriba: Restarting for a small update to make myself more verbose in case of trouble / exceptions / etc.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: does your wp comments box support basic html tags (such as href)? (i know it supports them when posting comments from *within* wp's dashboard)
PeterL: BingoBoingo on http://qntra.net/2016/09/nigerian-students-scammed-by-alabama-state-university/ s/pay they expenses incur/pay their expenses incurred
asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:35:31] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:41:28] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#15 << not so ; the attitude as well as the possibility of success are of interest to the largest number of people speaking this language. especially if they currently don't know this. they may "proclaim irrelevant" whatever, but their green friend is interested in them.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: iirc you can change wp permalinks and pages/posts referred to by ?id will still work. maybe not for very ancient wp install, would need to check
asciilifeform: some time later i'ma clean up and publish the command set that drives the thing, also
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i'ma try it.
asciilifeform: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#52 << be aware that if you find a sage box, you will need to solder the connector (it is a simple job, but the header is a ~metric~ one, see the pcengines schematics)
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:49:30] <trinque> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#77 << I'm in, buying.
asciilifeform: incidentally, trinque, phf, et al : http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-16358 << this here's the OTHER 'schematics published, amd g-series, sage plug' board. and this one has vga. and apparently is going out of print, being sold for half price in a few places.
asciilifeform: ^ only 1 nic, rather than 3, though, in that one.
asciilifeform: but same type as in pcengine.
asciilifeform: and has the sage connector soldered down at factory.
asciilifeform: in other noose, guess what fleanode was welding on during the recent wave of resets, etc: https://freenode.net/news/tor-online
Framedragger: is it like OFTC where you need an account prior to doing SASL auth? prolly.
trinque: It's cur­rent­ly not pos­si­ble to reg­is­ter an ac­count for use with Tor with­out con­nect­ing at least once over the In­ter­net. << tfa
trinque: hm check it out; is that unicode?
Framedragger: oh wtf
Framedragger: oh prolly 'cause i was changin' permissions
trinque: what?
Framedragger: can't write to logs dir anymore, i was trying to restrict things more
trinque: hm I'll screenshit my client
Framedragger: oh i wasnt referring to unicode. sorry. scriba just timed out
BingoBoingo: PeterL: ty fxd
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears << Depending on your wordpress species usually if you set up a person readable url scheme the default numeric one continues working
Framedragger: i'm restarting the whole box.
trinque: apparently that article has "soft hyphen" throughout
trinque: does some brain-damaged blogotron do that?
trinque: hm... not as &shy; though; as actual unicode
trinque: you can see it when you use the inspector in chrome
trinque: omaigerd, unicode stenography!!1!11
asciilifeform: trinque: ...steganography?
Framedragger: sorry, i over-restricted permissions and removed execute bit from some parts.
trinque: asciilifeform: stego
trinque gets coffee, lol
trinque: *steganography
Framedragger: subtle security canary!!!1
asciilifeform: in other noose, https://review.coreboot.org/#/c/11836 << coreboot (formerly linuxbios) now has optional gnat !!11
asciilifeform: ^ this is a handy minimal gnat runtime for x86. saves buncha work for us, if we were to gnatulate.
pete_dushenski: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#142 << have you checking in dashboard under settings >> permalinks ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:26:03] <asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: comment pending on your latest ch
asciilifeform: ok i tried it, AND IT BROKE OLD LINKS, FUCK IT
asciilifeform: switching back.
pete_dushenski: hm. lame.
pete_dushenski: s/checking/checked
a111: Logged on 2013-05-02 07:10 truff1es: buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry
scriba: Logged on 2013-05-02: [07:10:55] <truff1es> buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry☟☟
Framedragger: (switching off scriba for btcbase)
Framedragger: (will later automate this)
phf: (note that the two arrows are not part of message)
Framedragger: yeah i know. i was too lazy
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545482 << if i weren't stuck in shitholelandia, i'd post ~everything~.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-20 07:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#19 << so reconfigure your head ; stop doing that, it's miserable for the republic and bad enough for you.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:39] <asciilifeform> eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:42:40] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#19 << so reconfigure your head ; stop doing that, it's miserable for the republic and bad enough for you.☝︎☟
pete_dushenski: in other reconfiguring news, fbook vs. cuba : "In Havana, my cousins were forced to listen to rambling speeches about maintaining core values inside a one-dimensional cult of personality. In Menlo Park, I was sitting in a tent full of people wearing identical uniforms of Facebook swag and doing the same. Back in Havana, my cousins were eyeing posters of Che and Fidel on crumbling buildings and the sides of
pete_dushenski: lurching, belching buses. Alongside were rousing posters, designed in that wonderfully retro socialist realism only the Cubans still embraced: ¡TODO POR LA REVOLUCIÓN! ¡HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE! ¡PATRIA O MUERTE, VENCEREMOS! Meanwhile, I was walking around Facebook, surrounded by stenciled portraits of Mark and equally exhortatory posters: PROCEED AND BE BOLD! GET IN OVER YOUR HEAD! MAKE AN IMPACT!"
pete_dushenski: ~Antonio Garcia Martinez, author of Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley
asciilifeform: YES WE CAN HAY MAS FUTURO!1111111
pete_dushenski: YES WE KAN!
pete_dushenski: in other lulz
pete_dushenski: "@TuurDemeester: Why C++ is used on Wall Street is the same reason why it's used for Bitcoin: precision and performance." << expert trolling or iyi 'expert' ? you decide.
asciilifeform: turdmeister!
asciilifeform: he's back!!
pete_dushenski: !#s Demeester
shinohai: I saw that tweet and immediately hear asciilifeform start ranting against C++ in my head.
pete_dushenski: turdsicles still 'investing consultant' or somesuch
asciilifeform: shinohai: that was naggum
shinohai: ah rite
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466793 << do you have any automatic log sync set up now phf? just curious. (i'll prolly set up a different silent bot to be used as secondary log history source)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-15 15:01 phf: manual tit tickling
shinohai: pete_dushenski: bundle will still be coming to you soon, just waiting until it is fleshed out a bit
pete_dushenski: new trilema header eh. rapey.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: cheers
BingoBoingo: So true "Imagine a rutabaga or an apple, a living harbinger of an adult plant like Christ in His manger presaging the deliverance of all mankind boiled, baked, fried, sauteed, steamed, sun-dried (poor raisins!), microwaved, or roasted to death. Imagine crunching into a fresh green pepper and listening to it scream as your molars do their dirty work. "
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545626 << this is not a point of fucking pride
a111: Logged on 2016-09-20 15:26 Framedragger: yeah i know. i was too lazy
trinque: this programmer thing "oh I am lazy lolz". to hell with it.
Framedragger: sure, but by that metric most of software should be discarded a priori. i agree it's not a good thing; this will get fixed when other, important stuff gets fixed.
trinque: much better way of putting it.
Framedragger: and yet sometimes we speak colloquially because we prefer to!
shinohai: I used "lazy" in my bickening response, which pretty much meant I was focused more on other boiling pots at the time.
trinque: what it means is this limp dicked "I did a thing but don't judge me pls" that produced the mountain of filth in which we live
pete_dushenski: sounds like saying 'i'm lazy' in #trilema is like saying 'i'm a terrorist' on a plane
trinque: I have no patience for it.
trinque: and arguing from the context of a dead culture buys nothing. "oh this is what people say"
shinohai: Well it *is* much easier to produce quality items now that defacto standards are being written.
trinque: Framedragger: separate what's being said here from any commentary on the bot, which is coming along fine.
Framedragger: right. see trinque, you don't see "lazy" in that context as having any descriptive context (what shinohai's pots); i do. a simple disagreement regarding the use. but i of course have to agree with your general sentiment...
asciilifeform: 'Libreboot left the GNU project on 15 September 2016. The FSF revealed itself to be hostile towards trans people, so libreboot voluntarily decided to leave the GNU project, because the lead developer of libreboot is transgender herself. For those in the community who are unaware, a transgender person is someone whose internal gender identity (in their brain) does not match their anatomical sex or gender assigned at birth. Many who ar
asciilifeform: e like this seek to transition to their preferred gender. Read more about it on Wikipedia. We will not directly name the person who was fired, because we don't want the individual to be harrased. If you do somehow figure it out (the FSF's staff is very small) then please be silent. We realize that this is potentially risky to the individual involved. Nonetheless, we feel it our moral duty to expose wrongdoing, wherever it is observed
asciilifeform: , even if it's at one of the world's most respected organisations such as the FSF.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ for the killing jar.
asciilifeform: (fsf, long covered in astonishing assortment of fungi, was apparently... not fungal enough, for some.)
shinohai: oh ffs
asciilifeform: http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html << remaining working hands run for the hills.
asciilifeform: lulzily, i only even found this because i went to dig up contact info for 'libreboot', was going to write to it, re sage pill publication.
asciilifeform: these are, if anyone forgot, the 'rms's magical laptop' folks.
asciilifeform: !#s x60
trinque: asciilifeform: have a preferred distributor for the sage?
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm not certain it can be had any more. the last place selling was element14 with the 'gizmo 1' kit
asciilifeform: (gizmo 2 is better board but no longer includes the box)
trinque: ah, too bad
trinque: this is one board with debugger components and CPU?
asciilifeform: trinque: debugger attaches to 'amd hdt' connector, present on the board. there are landing pads for it on surprisingly many amd mobos
asciilifeform: but you need to be handy with soldering iron, with those
trinque: sure, I can solder
trinque: but the debugger comes in that kit? or I have to find that separately?
trinque: looks like separately
asciilifeform: trinque: it came with the 'gizmo 1' strictly.
shinohai has soldering iron, also trying to source
trinque: http://www.gizmosphere.org/products/gizmo-explorer-kit/ << this mentions having the sage smartprobe in kit
asciilifeform: it did.
asciilifeform: call'em up, see if they still have any.
asciilifeform: if you want this.
asciilifeform: if i knew where else to get it, i would say, but i do not.
asciilifeform: once in a while it pops up on ebay, etc.
asciilifeform: this probe is one of those items for which no practical substitute, afaik, exists.
asciilifeform: intel and arium sell similar devices that work with (strictly) intel mobos, but they cost five-figure usd, with MANDATORY support contract, and their software is winblows shitware.
asciilifeform: amd made its own debugger for its boards, i even have one here, but it has never been satisfactorily reverse-engineered, isn't gdb compatible. i have a brand-new one here, in its crate, waiting for its day.
trinque bought
phf: Framedragger: i'm basically using kako's log format as a universal exchange <id>;<unix timestamp>;<nick>;<message>, so there's a python bottle proxy sitting on a machine, that, very defensively, can serve a copy of your page in a kako format. it caches all pages that are not today, and it has like 10 second cache for today's queries, but otherwise i'm not mirroring your pages
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8oabs/?raw=true << in other noose, idiot has been working, at least partly BY HAND, for more than a DAY, banging on the door of dulap
phf: i'm only querying for what was mentioned in logs ("annotations"), since i didn't want the split to break the xref facility
asciilifeform: pretty strange payloads, too
asciilifeform: e.g., http://ma0okb3t7xm4z9ttu5zt9xfu8leca0do8byzn.burpcollaborator.net contains '<html><body>u2fbaww7z5xmct4xg2wyplzjjogvgnfigz</body></html>'
asciilifeform: and so forth.
phf: very defensively, because it needs to do checks like
phf: if (dt == date(2016, 9, 6) and int(localid) >= 166) \
phf: or dt > date(2016, 9, 6):
phf: tz = utc
phf: else:
phf: tz = timezone('EET')
phf:
Framedragger: phf: nice. (nice caching setup, too). thanks for explaining - i'll want to set up some 'backup redundant history source' soon, i think..
Framedragger: *ahem*
phf: ahem, indeed!
Framedragger: thought that's what you meant by defensively
phf: well, for my own znc it has to do like a bunch of retarded timezone conversions, but at least i sat down and thought them through this time
phf: (my server is america/denver, my log dates are in america/new_york, and kako's format is served in utc)
phf: but since i don't have to expose it to wild net, and rate of checks is low, i can just have a bottle file per task, just doing its own specific massaging
Framedragger: yeah. my contrab now has TZ=UTC LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 /usr/bin/znc >/dev/null 2>&1 just to be sure. unfortunately, that only happened later.
Framedragger: sounds good
Framedragger: (things will be moved to proper db with proper unixtime)
Framedragger: crontab*
phf: db is only worthwhile once you start writing analytics on logs. i've been doing the read directly from znc logs using regex approach for almost a year (actually scratch that i was querying kako's logs over web), and only decided to step it up once i realized i want xref
phf: i guess search too, but that's kind of lateral. you can write a bit of python code using xapian to do parsing and indexing for you, and i suspect it's going to be ballpark database speeds. postgresql's builtin search is .. special
Framedragger: how about full text search? though i know that a combo of caching and grep-in-memory-map mode (on an ssd, say) may be viable
phf: xapian will give you full text search
Framedragger: postgres builtin search needs to be massaged iirc, and e.g. if you set up indices you may need to do https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Tuning_Your_PostgreSQL_Server - actually, best to change things anyway, as by default postgres assumes you have very little memory, etc.
phf: kind of tricky to cache search, since it's very one off. most load on server comes from searching (i mean it's miniscule still, but...), but i looked at analytics and search queries are all over the place. you have n hits from mentions, which ~might~ be worthwhile to cache. (like ascii does !#s foo, and then there's a dozen of hits from random ips and browsers)
Framedragger: (i.e. i agree, but there are ways to leverage things. but, takes time to do right)
Framedragger: yeah. a bit tricky
PeterL: I wrote a script to submit links from logs to archive.is
PeterL: I am running it now into the past
Framedragger: ah, nice!
phf: well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions
asciilifeform: !!up yr
deedbot: yr voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: (i had to tweak a postgresql search lexing phase just few days ago, and fwiw it doesn't givey you "grep" out of the box. you have to do Traditional Text Search approach tokenize,lex,index by weights, etc.)
asciilifeform: barfalicious
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#320 << nice, and, yeah, indeed, freedom of choice and all that
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:40:25] <phf> well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions
Framedragger: bbl, changing loc
Framedragger: (how else will one try things they always wanted to try)
phf: i still think that's the ideal model of computing, mentat approach
a111: Logged on 2016-03-22 00:44 asciilifeform: trinque: no incoherence, i can remove the motherfucking nand ~here~ in this godforsaken hovel
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 18:10 phf: the person that i was a [big bank] vendor with is actually doing that right now. a trained apl-er and mathematician, having spent few years interacting with [big bank] decision makers now consults on a handshake basis for companies that need a problem solved, but don't care if it comes with a pretty windows gui
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 18:13 phf: of course, general purpose computer was always a device that high cast professional would sit in front in order to do computations, augmented by external systems or additional special purpose interchangeable boards. at least that was a pretty shared vision from engelbard to symbolics before the microcomputer
asciilifeform: phf: aha, before the zombies took over.
asciilifeform: foiled by brave gestapo stoo^H^H^H^Hagents!
asciilifeform: 'Although boatmanstv at one point switched to PGP-encrypted e-mail (which he referred to as “ppg”) using “darknetstv@outlook.com” with the OCE, because his recipient was in fact an FBI agent, that didn’t matter. ...'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ possibly of interest
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1oM4 <<< aforementioned submission for review
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: repliezed
ben_vulpes: in other jslolz i learned today that hyphens are not legal in js var names because not symbolicated on spaces and infix operators
ben_vulpes: woo hoo hoo
ben_vulpes: "but it's that way in c too!"
ben_vulpes: yeah and its retarded there as well.
thestringpuller: how did you come to learn this?
ben_vulpes: linter yelled at me and i did a bit of reading
ben_vulpes: also i have an wwwtronix expert sitting next to me
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#137 << yes. you can also set what it allows / eats.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [13:19:58] <Framedragger> mircea_popescu: does your wp comments box support basic html tags (such as href)? (i know it supports them when posting comments from *within* wp's dashboard)
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#143 << i have no idea ; mp-wp would handle it automatically (in the sense that i can at any time / for any reason change url, old one gets redir to new one ; and also can switch from ?p= to proper title url seamlessly). no idea however about alf-wp
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:26:03] <scriba> Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:35:31] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.
asciilifeform: 'alf-wp' does not, and will not, because it does not have write permissions for the file system.
asciilifeform: period.
asciilifeform: so it cannot alter .htaccess.
asciilifeform: (yes this also means that i do picture uploads, etc. by hand.)
asciilifeform: and here mircea_popescu thought that he wore the hairiest shirt...
Framedragger: asciilifeform: but you can edit .htaccess (or nginx directives for the site) yourself, at least that's what i did in the past iirc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it wouldn't need to alter it however. afaik mp-wp doesn't either ; handles redirects itself like a grown-up system ??
mircea_popescu: puts a -d in there, once, when you set it up ; builds its own flalback.
trinque: ^ I run on nginx, am not using any kind of writable htaccess
trinque: and I've swapped around those URL settings since install
asciilifeform: looks like my ancient wp cannot do this.
Framedragger: well, the webserver needs not to get confused if it is asked to serve /some/hipster/post where neither that file nore /some/hipster/index.* exists; it needs to pass uri as parameter to index.php
mircea_popescu: i can't recall now if it was from the mp or the wp part of the family, but i think mostly the latter really.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, if anyone wants to check how wordpress does latex formatting and roll a mp-wp plugin / v update for it that'd be grand. in typical faux open source style, they're remarkably unhelpful with it (see https://en.support.wordpress.com/latex/ )
asciilifeform: latex comments are a dodgy thing imho. it's turing complete...
asciilifeform: and a gigantic coprolith of multi-meg ??????.
mircea_popescu: yeah there is that. and that.
Framedragger: i recall using mathjax for math equations
Framedragger: lots of javascript but renders well. but lots of javascript
Framedragger: i mean, mathjax in wp
Framedragger: which renders latex
mircea_popescu: Framedragger look at the example given ; it's an image.
Framedragger: you cant copy paste an image
Framedragger: sucks balls
Framedragger: maybe just my preference
asciilifeform: 'The MathJax javascript can be delivered from your own server, or you can utilise the [MathJax Content Distribution Network (CDN)] (http://www.mathjax.org/docs/latest/start.html#mathjax-cdn), which is the preferred mechanism as it offers increased speed and stability over hosting the Javascript and configuring the library yourself. Use of the CDN is governed by these Terms of Service.'
asciilifeform: barfalicious.
Framedragger: yeah i just used the former asciilifeform
asciilifeform: Framedragger: with the former, you're feeding crapola from strangers into a turing-complete latextron.
asciilifeform: with the latter, you're serving up crapola from strangers.
Framedragger: i know you dont care about mobile users because they suck mircea_popescu , but what's nice with rendered fonts is that they scale nicely; among other things
mircea_popescu: how cool it is that we ate all the bugs and errors from "supporting utf", because look - there's no fucking glyph-based way to latex, in 2016.
Framedragger: hence the clause "but lots of javascript"
mircea_popescu: but hey, at least the-shithead-bureaucrat-who-inherited-apple gets to have his day in the sun about whether the glyph for "gun" should be "water pistol"
Framedragger: asciilifeform: not arguing here though; i just recall mathjax working nicely in wp, served from server; but, yes, lots of js
mircea_popescu: it was so totally fucking worth it.
asciilifeform: covertress (~covertres@185.108.128.5) has left #trilema << 'ooops we forgot'
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: vollied back.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: lol @ nukes
shinohai: http://archive.is/YGwaN <<< heh u2 plane crashed shortly after liftoff
shinohai: We only had "learn to spy" lessons, not "learn to fly"
asciilifeform: 'learn not to catch fire'
shinohai: Perhaps pilot had Gaaxy note 7 in pockets of flightsuit
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522134 << not that i have a horse in the race, but this would seem to redeem our mysterious reaganite author : http://www.mcmansionhell.com/post/150597521816/mcmansions-101-revisited-aesthetics-aside-why
a111: Logged on 2016-08-15 20:48 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i find the focus on the cosmetic when the functional elements are 'dangerous to self and to others' in 1,001 ways, to be also a typically american lunacy.
asciilifeform: is this a problem that pete_dushenski has, or as of yet only wants to have..?
pete_dushenski: neither really
asciilifeform: so what's it to him then
pete_dushenski: just a curiousity, a fascination with architecture as a representation of culture
pete_dushenski: more enduring symbols of society exist not. the rarely interacted with written word aside, built structures are how we understand the past.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this only works for civilizations that build actual permanent structures. whereas these folk are converging back at the 'african mud hut' standard
pete_dushenski: it's also a hell of a way to leave one's fingerprint on the world after he's gone.
asciilifeform: ~none of this crapolade will be standing in a century, much less 10.
pete_dushenski: as understood at least since pharoah
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: so what ? mud hut is still ethnographic hallmark.
asciilifeform: roman aqueducts will be standing 1000 yrs from now ( unless islamic bulldozers get'em first .) american cardboard - not so much.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: well you did say 'enduring'
asciilifeform: here on my planet, words have meaningz!111
pete_dushenski: and what does 'enduring' mean then ? 10 seconds for einsteinium ? 10 millenia for pyramid ?
asciilifeform: can mean various things, of which 'mud hut' is not any.
asciilifeform: as far as houses go.
asciilifeform: cardboard house is built to last ~exactly as long as the chump's mortgage.
pete_dushenski: not sure about that. even for houses 'enduring' should be satisfied by multi-generational.
asciilifeform: these - quite certainly are not.
shinohai: "We've lived in the same trailer for 50 years!"
pete_dushenski: lol even if that requires banging out the next gen at 20
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: even then! ever ~see~ an american house ?
asciilifeform: the suburban cardboard-and-aluminum box kind
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ticky tacky houses in 1960s were also designed to last as long as mortgage, yet many still stand. just need updated plumbing, electrical, bathrooms... bones are fine
asciilifeform: the thing shows obvious, to naked eye, signs of self-disassembly after a decade or so
asciilifeform: in 2 decades - springs leaks
asciilifeform: they stand, where they stand, because folks 'grandfather's axe' them
asciilifeform: i.e. replace, at tremendous expense, the parts.
asciilifeform: 'renovations' is a chumpatron second only to the real estate scam, in usa
pete_dushenski: you think this is somehow unique to residential construction because that's what you're familiar with. it isn't. commercial, industrial, etc are all the same. news flash : building require maintenance.
asciilifeform: pay 400% markup for the aluminum plates etc.
asciilifeform: there's 'requires maintenance' and then there's 'the walls come off after 10y.'
asciilifeform: i was recently in a house built in 1620s. still has motherfucking original brick walls.
asciilifeform: all that changed since it was built is a couplea paint jobs.
mircea_popescu: actually, industrial buildings moved to tents in the 60s/70s, with the great move to china.
mircea_popescu: you still see the actual industrial buildings, eg here. brick with windows emplaced etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is more or less on par with labour cost in re 'why china'.
mircea_popescu: "impractical" and "too expensive" ; they use metallic structure now. EXACTLY as permanent as circus tent.
pete_dushenski: maybe pyramids were low maintenance, but in this climate ~everything~ wears. the expansion and contraction caused by 75C seasonal variation, combined with the short construction season, means that bricks CANNOT BE STRUCTURAL MATERIALS. vapour barrier and insulation is sine qua non
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, was the mode of commerce pre-industry as well as post.
mircea_popescu: the "factory prison" system appears strictly artefact of 18th century.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, market ~= circus.
pete_dushenski: this much is true.
mircea_popescu: anyway. funny how the adventure of "employment" played out, as a concept.
mircea_popescu: nobody thought in terms of "being employed" cca 1650 ; nor much today.
asciilifeform: eh serfdom was here in 1600 and will be here in 2600.
mircea_popescu: that adventure - very much linked to the permanent-factory building.
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent : a factory is, originally, where the factors go. and a factor is someone who is empowered to handle money in relation to, eg, indian fur gatherers/traders)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform serfdom is not employment.
mircea_popescu: it is ontology not phenomenology. the serf is no more than his shackles.
asciilifeform: serfdom is the simple, low-tech employment - minus the (expensive in overall terms) hiring and firing
mircea_popescu: kinda why "strike" = "treason" in classical russian.
mircea_popescu: this is not so.
mircea_popescu: serfdom is first and foremost a sexual relationship.
pete_dushenski: parental ok... but seksual ?
mircea_popescu: (there is no other basis for ontology in human affairs - if something breaks from phenomenology into being, they will be doing it on sexual basis)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski parental is one kind of sexual.
pete_dushenski: sure, but it's more specific.
mircea_popescu: "relationship predicated on functioning of sexual organs".
pete_dushenski: because 'sexual' needn't include parenting ?
pete_dushenski is reaching
mircea_popescu: maybe not your peculiar definition of parenting.
mircea_popescu: thermodynamics also needn't include beer yeasts ?
mircea_popescu: depends. if you think yeast is a metaphysical process then it indeed needn't.
pete_dushenski: ok, reflecting on a rather delicious romp last night, i can see the sexual == parenting angle.
pete_dushenski: i guess i'm just unaccustomed to thinking of everything in sexual terms.
mircea_popescu: well, not everything, but ontology for humans is sex-based.
pete_dushenski: 'to bang or not to bang, that is the question'
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "He explains that characterizing this as “fantasy” is not meant to be purely critical, that “fantasizing” about the moment of the big bang is what theorists do in the absence of compelling evidence, and that he just has other fantasies he thinks worthwhile."
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the penrose book is great ; and as woit aptly points out a very good basis for groking the current affairs re qm/st/etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#156 << not exactly novel, they had a tor thing thoughout. but yes, tighter integration is to be expected across the empire.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:36:51] <asciilifeform> in other noose, guess what fleanode was welding on during the recent wave of resets, etc: https://freenode.net/news/tor-online
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#169 << looks like a cheapo fingerprinting technique ? log didn't pick it up for instance.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:59:28] <asciilifeform> in other noose, https://review.coreboot.org/#/c/11836 << coreboot (formerly linuxbios) now has optional gnat !!11
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#189 << in the context of this discussion re freenode, the hardening value of everyone having their own blogs on ~owned~ cms on their own hosting is not lost on the lordship, i'm sure.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [15:18:06] <pete_dushenski> ben_vulpes: comment pending on your latest ch
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#197 << lol i recall that particular alice. god we've seen a lot of these over the years have we.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [15:25:18] <scriba> Logged on 2013-05-02: [07:10:55] <truff1es> buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry☟☟
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [15:59:38] <asciilifeform> 'Libreboot left the GNU project on 15 September 2016. The FSF revealed itself to be hostile towards trans people, so libreboot voluntarily decided to leave the GNU project, because the lead developer of libreboot is transgender herself. For those in the community who are unaware, a transgender person is someone whose internal gender identity (in
scriba: their brain) does not match their anatomical sex or gender assigned at birth. Many who ar
asciilifeform offers mircea_popescu the necessary barf bag
pete_dushenski: it is pretty nauseating
asciilifeform: and just when i thought that the heathens had equilibrated at the bottom of their pit
pete_dushenski: that such 'excuses' pass for acceptability is the height of insanity
mircea_popescu: dude... who the fuck wants as much as a farthing's worth of pest control work from someone who regards their mentally deranged state as manifest in their subjective confusion re their sex as an integral part of the process ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it's at the level where the cancer cells attack the other cancer cells.
mircea_popescu: take your "libreboot" which is "transsexual"-aware and shove it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know what 'libreboot' was/is, right ?
asciilifeform: it's the rms-laptop thing.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: beast's gotta eat i guess
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never used it.
asciilifeform: they take coreboot, snip out the non-gpl pieces, burn it into old lappys, and sell to idiots
asciilifeform: 'have JUST LIKE RMS!1111'
mircea_popescu: anyway, sounds like cheap drama. and it can't be THAT seeing how rms used a laptop before 2013.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-29 16:55 asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for a long time he had a mips thing. which was pinched by an argentine and he, recall, publicly had nervous breakdown
mircea_popescu: so wait, leah rowe used to be a dude ?!
asciilifeform: (the argentine pickpocket i expect also had breakdown, when he powered the thing up later)
mircea_popescu: so basically, let me get this straight, trap from nz with a history of beauty pageants etc, forked some gnu software, nobody cared, then a few years later is trying to run with it and get credit for the intellectual theft ?
asciilifeform: something of the kind.
asciilifeform: could've bothered to steal a piece of ~working~ tech, you'd think.
mircea_popescu: well, unless someone's VERY bored and wants to do a deconstruction/reconstruction of the lizard agitprop into actual text...
asciilifeform: to my shame, i read the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because to the sort of vermin technology per se is not interesting.
mircea_popescu: what was interesting was the "media" value, as seen above.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the point of this escapade was not to steal the dud bios.
asciilifeform: it was to steal the LAND on which it sits, so to speak.
asciilifeform: such that when, e.g., we publish one, they can boeck it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm totally sure that'll work.
asciilifeform: it only needs to boeck-work.
mircea_popescu: o hey, check it out, win-win.
asciilifeform: lol-lol.
mircea_popescu: quite. i for one am not the least bit against things boeck-working for the boecks.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i trotted out the probe thing for a reason, you can't really effectively work on bios without one (or similar.)
asciilifeform: and incidentally the pill allows the board to be cloned.
asciilifeform: (if you can source the parts, they are all end-of-life, including the weird fpga)
mircea_popescu: meh, i guess i'm the very bored.
asciilifeform: the copy protection used a serial number embedded in the sage box's cpu (stellaris arm-compatible)
asciilifeform: pill takes the last published fw from vendor and heals it so it finds exactly the serial it wants to find.
asciilifeform: (based on what the plugged-in unit says)
mircea_popescu: apparently nobody does, holy shit check the count for gnu.org 2016-09.
mircea_popescu: what exactly "libreboot is no longer part of the gnu project" is supposed to mean is anyone's guess. the whole existence of gnu is in the form of licenses. they can't retroactively change these. so they'll what, move to mit/bsd licenses in the future ? nobody gives a shit. are they selling to apple ? wouldn't be the first time fraudulent operator tried this under the guise of "good reasonz, guise!!!1"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea, as far as i can see, is to appelbaum the whole thing
asciilifeform: i.e. cover in scar tissue, so that nothing grows
mircea_popescu: the whole what thing
mircea_popescu: well, kinda wasted effort, fsf is pretty dead in out books anyway, fwis.
asciilifeform: the concept of a non-blobbed bios for x86
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha what.
asciilifeform: the (promised) thing in libreboot was 'just same as coreboot but without any magic strings from chip vendors'
asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00059.html << one poor bastard 'doesn't know how world now worx'
mircea_popescu: damien zammit's piece linked upstream pretty much debunks the whole thing. rowe was a scammer from day one, stole some work from some naive coder people, is trying to pay for his cheetos with it.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:03:18] <asciilifeform> http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html << remaining working hands run for the hills.
mircea_popescu: o hey there's an irc chan ?
mircea_popescu: o hey check it out, #libreboot. come right in
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: kicked in 3 2 1
asciilifeform: lel how'd you expect that to go.
mircea_popescu: that worked pretty well.
Framedragger: omg i was too late to press return
Framedragger: he got kicked before
Framedragger: "***leah steals nothing" lol
mircea_popescu: the problem with these idiots (niggers, ie technically-null wanna-be "political" bidnissmen) is that they're so fucking inept politically.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: do you have a log of that convo? it would be an entertaining read. or maybe a short non-time-consuming blog post? ;)
asciilifeform: ^ mine was a litttle longer.
mircea_popescu: anyway, whoever feels like playing with the nigger, feel free to link http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html to it
Framedragger: leah didn't answer yet (i posted the link)
asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/markhkim/status/777489862270263296 << what passes for the logz in heathendom.
mircea_popescu: always shocking, what the barbarian world does with
asciilifeform: ( permission, evidently, did NOT come )
pete_dushenski: CONSENT!
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#283 << eminently lulzy, but how can you tell it's by hand ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:22:13] <asciilifeform> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8oabs/?raw=true << in other noose, idiot has been working, at least partly BY HAND, for more than a DAY, banging on the door of dulap
Framedragger: i particularly like
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had this thread. either 'hand' or the most elaborately slow bot in existence.
trinque: maybe trying to not trip a fail2ban
Framedragger: [22:03:09] <leah> I still run this project
Framedragger: [22:03:13] <leah> and your patches are still welcome
Framedragger: [22:03:23] <leah> libreboot is currently expanding
Framedragger: [22:03:32] <leah> the shock at the moment from the last few days is only temporary
mircea_popescu: ah that discussion.k.
mircea_popescu: ahahahah yeah right. i'm sure it will.
Framedragger: [22:04:02] <leah> I was considering leaving GNU anyway
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to give some random idiot their time, so the random idiot can then turn around and sell it for politics ?!
asciilifeform: eh that's what happens when you have an fsf, which insists on being a usgtronic 'charity', instead of a 313333337 t3rr0r111st org. the former get to live with leahs and alices, the latter - expel with flamethrower.
mircea_popescu: this is a point.
asciilifeform changes petrol tank on flamethrower
mircea_popescu: funny how leah is rapidly becoming the ~equivalent for these idiots of candi-is-a-stripper jen-is-a-sorority-slut etc
mircea_popescu: leah-the-nigger-scum
asciilifeform: point was that if 1) you cannot expel-with-framethrower 2) THEY know that you cannot expel-with-flamethrower -- they will come.
asciilifeform: and subj is not limited to open sores, tor hacktiwhateverrism, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://blog.portswigger.net/2015/04/introducing-burp-collaborator.html << looks like it's actually another of those "security suites"
asciilifeform: boring old corps are getting the same 'politruks' installed.
asciilifeform: via same mechanism.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzy.
mircea_popescu: note they actually trace ips (scroll down)
mircea_popescu: phf Framedragger anyone else with suspect load - may be worth your time to go through logs for those strings, may illuminate vulnerabilities.
asciilifeform: in case it wasn't clear, they were dumping'em in phuctor's hopper
asciilifeform: hoping that.... ?????
Framedragger: interesting
asciilifeform: ( this, in case it wasn't obvious, doesn't do anything interesting )
mircea_popescu: hey, most of the web runs on shit.
mircea_popescu: i dun think you appreciate how unthinkable this "we have a single-purpose, fully understood stack running straqight atop lamp" thing is, on account of it being common here.
mircea_popescu: but in the world at large you might as well have magical powers.
asciilifeform: i have monumentally nfi
asciilifeform: normally the scanbots are a snore because they go straight to looking for the (absent) wordpress
asciilifeform: the ones which don't, ring the bell, and i look
asciilifeform: it isn't even entirely clear what anyone might hope to accomplish, beyond the merely annoying, by screwing with phuctor
asciilifeform: there are 0 secrets there
mircea_popescu: how is a third party to interact with a "i have 0 secrets" claim ?
asciilifeform: ok, let's rephrase, the map to finding captain kidd's buried gigatonne of gold may or may not be concealed in phuctor src.
asciilifeform: but there is no external reason to suppose that it is.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#314 << that for sure, everything !#s'd should be cached.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:37:38] <phf> kind of tricky to cache search, since it's very one off. most load on server comes from searching (i mean it's miniscule still, but...), but i looked at analytics and search queries are all over the place. you have n hits from mentions, which ~might~ be worthwhile to cache. (like ascii does !#s foo, and then there's a dozen of hits from random ips and
scriba: browsers)
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:39:38] <PeterL> I am running it now into the past
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:40:25] <phf> well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:47:12] <phf> i still think that's the ideal model of computing, mentat approach
asciilifeform: thing shits here when pm'd?!
asciilifeform: jhvh1 <
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "<" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: ( for some reason my client displays replies from jhvh1 in #t tab )
shinohai: weird
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/random-idiot-accepts-peoples-time-and-work-idiot-turns-around-and-sells-it-for-politics/ << Qntra - Random Idiot Accepts People's Time And Work, Idiot Turns Around And Sells It For Politics
BingoBoingo: ty mircea_popescu for authoring title in lawgz
mircea_popescu: i'm flattered!
mircea_popescu: this is where shinohai tweets qntra at derp, utter meltdown v2.0 commences.
mircea_popescu: LIBREGATE!11
shinohai: I tweeted it already but give me her handle, I craft another
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/buttfinex-just-hemorrhoiding-out-lols-now/ << Qntra - Buttfinex Just Hemorrhoiding Out Lols Now
shinohai: well, qntra tweets automatically
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the backdoor case this makes for V! WHo' next down on the outrage train to make that case explicitly!
shinohai: We can advertise `V` as trans-free
BingoBoingo: transfats don't matter. The point is ATTRIBUTION VS PLAGIARISM!
shinohai: I'd like to take this opportunity to thank pete_dushenski for article sauce btw
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Some random retweeter accountbot.
asciilifeform: i always assumed that was BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: or did he lose his
BingoBoingo: Not yet, just disused. All I lost today was a 21 y/o nursing student who refused to turn her will and life *completely* over to a higher power.
shinohai: mp_pimpslap upboated
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 430730 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 693 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 17 hours, 55 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: isn't it kerfuffle ?
BingoBoingo: It's reddit, demands incorrection!
pete_dushenski: re : shinohai's latest qntra, i'll also point out for the archivists that an embalmed copy of the 'bfx-->rrt pitch' is preserved here http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Bitfinex-Preview-BFX-conversion-pitch.pdf
mircea_popescu: might want to deed
pete_dushenski: archive.is, webarchive, jpeg thingies... none of them could save it. so there's a 16mb pdf. hooray
shinohai: I was gonna include but I never got it to load pete_dushenski
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C29EA6B1F7D6AD77DEBA08E41C7C04C88A9C80A2BBDA661383959A4DABAC776E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
pete_dushenski: too large!
shinohai: must be quite a large file
mircea_popescu: o wowza.
pete_dushenski: sweet bust
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shared factors with 8ball ?
mircea_popescu: this is pretty epic ftr, we're just about at half-N size.
thestringpuller: "Trump Jr. Likens Syrian Refugees To Skittles" @_@
thestringpuller: ^- in other lulz
pete_dushenski: ie. syrians have multi-coloured guts when you rip open their package ?
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
scriba: Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger lol!
mircea_popescu: whole line is 169 chars long...
pete_dushenski: "To me, Facebook is perhaps the most worrisome of all the Big Data concerns of the book. It now exercises an incredible amount of influence over what information people see, with this influence sometimes being sold to the highest bidder." << PEEEEEPLE. not cows and other sundry farm animals. couldn't be!
pete_dushenski: "Edward Snowden remarked that we are now “tagged animals, the primary difference being that we paid for the tags and they’re in our pockets.”" << obv. snowden v1.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The great tragedy of Mcmansion is it reinforces the vinyl and sticks school of building. That of course private residence, even "nice" one, should be hovel.
pete_dushenski: ftr y'all can bust a cap in my ass if you ever see me doing anything more than visit a mcmansionous monstrosity for the afternoon. i think it's tragic that anyone considers ~these~ their castles. it's a failure of the education system, starting with their parents, who apparently lacked the cock and balls to smack sense into their chitlin.
trinque: Framedragger: not necessarily advisable to announce to the world what went wrong, other than that it did.
trinque: gives someone a way to feel around in your bot's guts for information
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C29EA6B1F7D6AD77DEBA08E41C7C04C88A9C80A2BBDA661383959A4DABAC776E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9BBDEB5651AD779357CC0300D7EBA2B94508BD233C3EFCE605A33732A425A607 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
BingoBoingo: What really get me though is the distance to egress which makes the McMansion a deathtrap.
pete_dushenski: same could be said of office building, grade school, etc. operable windows are a ready solution to the emergency egress problem. 3.8 sq. ft. operable area is mandated in these parts.
shinohai: deedbot eats pdf files now?
pete_dushenski: maybe! let a guy stick his dick in the electrical outlet woudlja
shinohai: I heard it helps if you insert a sounding rod before sticking in socket
pete_dushenski: either way, i'll be hosting it i guess
pete_dushenski: !~google sounding rod
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: "Cock-stuffing" | Go Ask Alice!: <http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/cock-stuffing>; Sensible Sounding : Why I Inserted a Metal Rod into My Penis on ...: <http://www.nerve.com/love-sex/true-stories/sensible-sounding-why-i-inserted-a-metal-rod-into-my-penis-on-purpose>; Urethral sounding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urethral_sounding
pete_dushenski: alice again!
shinohai lels at "Go ask Alice"
deedbot: Bad URL or network outage.
pete_dushenski: i deserved that
pete_dushenski: bbl. to sing for a spell.
mod6: good evening
shinohai: o7 mod6
mod6: how goes it?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> lol-lol. << haha
shinohai: Good here, offline builds were smooth as always.
mod6: nice!
mod6: cool, im gonna run some tests here myself.
shinohai: I only did 2 today, one on each of the usual platforms
shinohai: Didn't try the gentoo yet but don't expect any issues
a111: Logged on 2016-09-20 23:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shared factors with 8ball ?
asciilifeform: and ftr i still have nfi why the bot dupes
asciilifeform: my rss page does not, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/rss , see for yourself.
mod6: <+shinohai> I only did 2 today, one on each of the usual platforms << ok good deal.
mod6: <+shinohai> Didn't try the gentoo yet but don't expect any issues << ok let me know, im doing my testing on gentoo to start with anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some lulz, calculate how many planets would be needed to hold the 8ball that you briefly thought we had.
asciilifeform: assuming a magical 1 bit per atom storage density.
asciilifeform: and an ~earth-sized unit of planet.
asciilifeform: (an 8ball of this size would indeed phuctor every modulus ever submitted, in polynomial time, supposing that you could somehow arithmetize on it)
asciilifeform: '"We" made no such public statement, YOU did, Leah! As a major CODE contributor to the libreboot project and having been banned from the IRC channel after posting the following (mainly factual) article, I no longer will be contributing patches to Leah's personal "libreboot" pet project, but I will be pushing upstream to coreboot as usual.' -- zammit
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1546102 << dunno, the equalista whining, e.g., 'The effects of automated algorithms sorting and rejecting job applications, with indirect consequences of discrimination against classes of people. ... The effects of algorithms that score credit, determine access to mortgages and to insurance, often with the effect of making sure that those deemed losers stay that way.' is offputting.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-20 23:50 mircea_popescu: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8732 << altogether epic article.
asciilifeform: the 'designated' losers are designated FOR REASONS maybe?!
asciilifeform: could it be time to lay off the 'кто был никем тот станет всем!1111' knob..?
asciilifeform: now i have not read the book herr woit is reviewing, but the review imho is not his finest moment.
asciilifeform: sooooo in entirely other noose, fellas, recall the ntp mega-threadz?? e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-09#1194173
a111: Logged on 2015-07-09 01:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and if they decide that 'national s33k0000r1ty' requires a leap week ?
asciilifeform: well, guess who reads the logz
asciilifeform: usg reads the logz.
trinque: good evening usg!
asciilifeform: and they have a wunderbar!1111 ntp replacement : https://roughtime.googlesource.com/roughtime
asciilifeform: just for you and meeee!
asciilifeform: i will leave 'spot the wtf' as an exercise for the dear reader.
asciilifeform: (there are at least four separate howlers)
trinque: But with half a dozen or more independent servers, the client will end up with chain of proof of any server's misbehaviour, signed by several others, and (presumably) enough accurate replies to establish what the correct time is.
trinque: if enough people are shouting the same thing, they are right.
asciilifeform: or how about where 'millions' of ecdsa sigs are being cranked out on boxes with prng.
asciilifeform: or, or...
trinque: you don't know how democracy works
asciilifeform: evidently.
asciilifeform: see, the disappointing part is that these are never serious puzzlers
asciilifeform: i keep hoping to run into one where i have to pour a cup of tea, scratch head, ...etc
asciilifeform: instead of 'omfgwtf'
asciilifeform: these have 0 'underhanded c contest' appeal, it's straight club in your face.
asciilifeform: it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
asciilifeform: there is no... sport.
asciilifeform: but, regardless, countdown 3, 2, 1.... to 'roughtime' in prb, ssl, etc.
asciilifeform: trinque: notice the absence of any mention of the question of 'what are people'
asciilifeform: reader is not expected to have ever heard of sybil, etc, or so much as given the matter five seconds of thought.
trinque: they're this grey goo you can sybil up as much as you like
trinque: heh
trinque: it all flows directly from that they have the sybil-tron, and the fakerng, and... and...
trinque: there's no sport because as far as I can tell, this is a device used to herd cows
trinque: whether they're shopping at walmart, "trading" at goldman sachs, or exploding ball bearings in pressure cookers
trinque wonders when the smoking man will finally visit asciilifeform, tell him where the real adversaries are
asciilifeform: adversary is real, is is simply that his weapon of choice appears to cause death by boredom.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#690 << holy shit notice that ITS NOT THE SAME N
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
scriba: Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]
mircea_popescu: these keys are well and truly popped.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#7 << the method is in the deeds ; base64-and-sign
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [00:10:00] <pete_dushenski> maybe! let a guy stick his dick in the electrical outlet woudlja
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#42 << sure ; hard to find an entirely clean apple in the swamp. i'd still like to see woit here if anyone knows him enough to invite.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:18:24] <asciilifeform> the 'designated' losers are designated FOR REASONS maybe?!
mircea_popescu: lol "googlegit". totally.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#64 << for the obvious reason. they're petrified of giving away the little they know.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:35:42] <asciilifeform> it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
mircea_popescu: lol "let's keep a lid on it" ?
mircea_popescu: smarter move than leah's social suicide, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: o hey. francis rowe became leah to escape being confused with a bunch of cricket players from the 1800s ?
BingoBoingo: Perhaps?
BingoBoingo: Well, this is how trends work
mircea_popescu: https://notabug.org/vimuser/libreboot-website/src/master/site/gnu/index.php << lotta hurr in there. this installment is tagged "response to zammit"
mircea_popescu: lulzy at the "francis dba leah certainly isn't going anywhere". really ?
mircea_popescu: seems he's already gone.
BingoBoingo: 4 months a Leah https://archive.is/91leC and hurr in there https://archive.is/nSFrZ archived
mircea_popescu: check it out, derp is "certainly not going anywhere", but "these people should resign or be fired".
mircea_popescu: bwahahahaha.
mircea_popescu: in other news if i hear anyone EVER collaborated with francis/leah rowe for any reason or in any capacity i'm negrating.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546186 << wai wahat why would it ever be the same N
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 02:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#690 << holy shit notice that ITS NOT THE SAME N
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
scriba: Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]
asciilifeform: those are called dupes
asciilifeform: and live under 'dupes' page
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 02:20 scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546195 << it even has a name, in their camp, 'nonattributable'. sometimes backfires - e.g., the mandatory use of rc5/6 in usg trojans, is now quite 'attributable'
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 02:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#64 << for the obvious reason. they're petrified of giving away the little they know.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:35:42] <asciilifeform> it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546197 << and hey, who said yudkowsky was the only player of the 'charilaundry' game.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-21 02:34 mircea_popescu: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8727 << also interesting. templeton, eh ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545496 << in particular how it shows NO TRANSACTIONS
a111: Logged on 2016-09-20 07:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#33 << not really. block 0 (sometimes referred to as 1), ie the genesis block was handcrafted.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-20: [05:34:46] <ben_vulpes> https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f << this looks entirely incorrect to people besides me, yes?
asciilifeform: the other thing about rms and his response - the 'sex harassment' racket has been a thing in usa for long enough that a well-developed body of kabuki ritual now exists; where, if an org can demonstrate that said kabuki were religiously followed, its liability is in practice limited to something survivable
asciilifeform: ergo the very peculiar 'mandatory trainings', 'hr processes', etc.
asciilifeform: it has not reached the maturity of tax law, but whet were once suppurating wounds are mostly covered in scar tissue now and the schmucks sorta live with it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because same single machine on multiple ips, naively.
asciilifeform: *what were
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we found a megatonne of these
asciilifeform: or rather, of scenarios indistinguishable from them
mircea_popescu: right. which is what i meant.
asciilifeform: anyway, no key shared by >2 boxes iirc yet popped.
asciilifeform: (2+ ip)
mircea_popescu: the above ?
asciilifeform: each of the N (moduli) listed is seen once, to date.
mircea_popescu: anyway. along with "kyc", the "sex harassment" is a primo idiocy to have a stake driven through heart.
mircea_popescu: from attention whoring doublespoken as "rape" all the way down to "communities" of whateverthefucks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'll die no sooner than american tax law. at this point there are 100,000 parasites who make cushy living purely from professionally navigating the kabuki.
asciilifeform: (and, evidently, rms employs one...)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, taking bets on how long before usg actually enters tax paid to republic in its "books" such as they are.
asciilifeform: when it pays so much as a satoshi?
mircea_popescu: what satoshi. on its current budget owes about half billion in its paper.
mircea_popescu: about same for 2015, also.
asciilifeform: this owing, it is not comparable to schmuck owing on his car loan.
asciilifeform: it is a fiction.
mircea_popescu: certainly not. that - fiction. this - owing.
asciilifeform: hard to collect caviar that's already been eaten.
asciilifeform: pig ate - max you can do is to eat the pig
asciilifeform: which does not turn to caviar as you eat him, no.
mod6: caviar debt, still owed.
asciilifeform: which is what i meant by the fiction. no one will collect so much as a percent of what the lizards 'owe'.
asciilifeform: go collect debt from earthquake.
BingoBoingo: Pig settles caviar debt with pork. Debt eliminated by settlement.
asciilifeform: was my point tho
asciilifeform: it is in the pig's interest to soak up max caviar
asciilifeform: his payment will be - same.
asciilifeform: historically folks tried to deal with the problem via elaborate impalements etc. but it was never satisfactory solution.
asciilifeform: ( not for the naively 'obvious' reasons, but because folks who know that they will be made into 'latrine pig' tend not to surrender )
asciilifeform: there is not a solution to this, if you will, binomial
mod6: "no man, no problem"
asciilifeform: ( threat that leads pig to consider laying off the caviar )
asciilifeform: mod6: thread was how the problem indeed remains after 'no man'
asciilifeform: *was re
asciilifeform: in re earlier thread,
asciilifeform: 59.21.182.242 and 85.218.41.103 are, on 2 continents, boxes running 'aerohive'.
asciilifeform: which is a new turd, in the ssh turdlist.
asciilifeform: 'hiveos'.
asciilifeform: same ssl cert, too.
asciilifeform: http://www.aerohive.com << 'At Aerohive, we believe that every Access Point is a starting point.'
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