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felipelalli: mircea_popescu: znc done. I hope I have configured it properly. If you see something weird again please tell me.
felipelalli: \o/ lol
asciilifeform: $up boolcrap
deedbot: boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: shouldntya be in bed, boolcrap
asciilifeform: kazahstan!111 greatest cuntry in ze w0ooooorld!1111
asciilifeform: $s filtration system a marvel to behold
a111: 0 results for "filtration system a marvel to behold", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=filtration%20system%20a%20marvel%20to%20behold
mircea_popescu: dun hate, invader! they r gots the good skulcaps.
mircea_popescu: and mercedi.
mircea_popescu: in other youtube news, "mujeres solteras en argentina buscan hombres solteros"
mircea_popescu: rank nonsense. what women ever sought lone men, i wish to see this wonder.
asciilifeform: in spamlandia, anything is possible!
mircea_popescu: lone may be excused, but no fucking way was it ever a selling point in the entire history of sexuate reproduction.
boolcrap: stan joeseph goebbels
boolcrap: how are you old friend
asciilifeform: boolcrap: find yer key yet??
boolcrap: no but i did find my way through page tables
boolcrap: its not really lost, just burried.
asciilifeform: so find a shovel an' dig.
boolcrap: is that a giant comb? wtf is that from
asciilifeform: dunno, ask mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: but it applies.
mircea_popescu: lol original impetuus there was big story back in 2013, dude threw out laptop, thousands of btc
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> phf intel says "roosh", ie some middle eastern looking kid.\ << Looks like he's trying too hard is my impression. Maybe becomes something if CLitler is elected.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> that sounds very familiar << Runs the Return of Kink or whatever
mircea_popescu: did a "fuck girls in every country". overlapped some countries with my network in them, lulz resulted.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what makes you think yours would win out ? << Yeah this is problem clinically addressed with oral vancomycin and one of the few problems addressed by that.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, wasn't in his plane.,
mircea_popescu: in other non-news, lol @kim lacapria being all butthurt at gawker being thorn to shreds.
mircea_popescu: you're right bitch, it SHOULD worry you all.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-tatu-party-bus-and-other-wasps/ << Trilema - The Tatu Party Bus and other wasps.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha wait wait ; huffington post now pays shitty spam network outbrain to push its crapolade nobody reads anyway ?
mircea_popescu: oh what days.
mircea_popescu: "After dinner we went upstairs and I eased her onto my king-size bed. It took four hours of foreplay and at least thirty repetitions of “No, Roosh, no” until she allowed my penis to enter her vagina. No means no—until it means yes." << holy mother of ... well not of fuck, of ... snails, maybe ?
mircea_popescu: who in his right fucking mind has four hours to spend thusly ? even if you're not making 100k an hour writing cia factbook entries, the time is gotta be worth enough to hire a hooker.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do these people always pick up this sort of incompetence ? oh, "dating advice from a loser who admits to spending four hours trying to get some derp to whatever, play dead fish for three minutes. presumably after spending 95 minutes trying to start his 1983 honda."
mircea_popescu: "come see what zimmerman thinks about encryption - a guy who admits to losing his pgp key sometime in the 90s and doesn't see the problem with this"
mircea_popescu: "here's how rms' laptop works - except it doesn't"
mircea_popescu: is there some rule that "experts" in anglosphere must be ludicrously inept at their chosen expertise, as per their own lights ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526429 && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526462 << OKAY OKAY, i lose this round. apparently i underestimated the malice in gnupg.... again. lol. (though, i wonder if the "bogus direct key signature import" applies to *subkeys*; but let's assume so, because, gnupg.)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 00:57 phf: "Versions of GnuPG before 1.4.11 and 2.0.16 allowed to import bogus direct key signatures."
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 02:11 mircea_popescu: i guess we ping Framedragger ? or let him be ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem here is moreover default trust. so you wake up one day and you see... "gnupg". nomina nuda. you look around, theres' "werner koch" idem, nomina nuda. you look, there's "tor" with "shari" and "isis". names, hollow as can be. but the natural tendency of the brain, to see movement in a succession of stills and meaning in noise and structure in names convinces you these are THINGS.
mircea_popescu: and for lack of obvious, pungent, loud alternative, you decide that... well... where's that quote
mircea_popescu: "Pangloss enseignait la métaphysico-théologo-cosmolonigologie. Il prouvait admirablement qu’il n’y a point d’effet sans cause, et que, dans ce meilleur des mondes possibles, le château de monseigneur le baron était le plus beau des châteaux, et madame la meilleure des baronnes possibles.
mircea_popescu: Il est démontré, disait-il, que les choses ne peuvent être autrement ; car tout étant fait pour une fin, tout est nécessairement pour la meilleure fin. Remarquez bien que les nez ont été faits pour porter des lunettes ; aussi avons-nous des lunettes. Les jambes sont visiblement instituées pour être chaussées, et nous avons des chausses. Les pierres ont été formées pour être taillées et pour en faire des châtea
mircea_popescu: ux ; aussi monseigneur a un très beau château : le plus grand baron de la province doit être le mieux logé ; et les cochons étant faits pour être mangés, nous mangeons du porc toute l’année : par conséquent, ceux qui ont avancé que tout est bien ont dit une sottise ; il fallait dire que tout est au mieux."
mircea_popescu: then ~I~'m supposedly "held", absurdly, to "demonstrate" and to "bring proof" and to "verify signature" against a ridiculous "default" constructed in this manner.
mircea_popescu: which is the original point of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523089 : if for whatever reason you're unwilling to bias against pangloss, notwithstanding that this is both shown by experience to be a most productive, useful and eficacious heuristic as well as deductively sound ; nevertheless at the very least you can't bias FOR it.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:13 mircea_popescu: evidently, the socialist party does the exact same thing. for reasons of habit however, it doesn't irk you when they do it ; only when we do it.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1g68
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: (the foregoing, outrageously, shamefully, shockingly, is merely a plain restatement of the intellectual scepticism requirement. in the ignare, barbarous world we find ourselves immersed, this apparently needs statement, because the concept has somehow been hijacked by the very fucking arlequins it's supposed to guard against, from "obama" to "roger ver" and the whole kaboodle of rotten, hollow reeds in between. which incident
mircea_popescu: ally IS the absolutel measure of "how barbaric are the times ?" : look how many of the fortresses build to keep the barbarians out are actually working to keep them in.)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the land of orlols, 'From a diplomatic perspective, it would be much more tidy to treat the problem of war criminals running the US as an internal, American political problem, to be solved by Americans themselves, with an absolute minimum of outside help. This would best be accomplished through a bit of friendly, neighborly intelligence-sharing, letting all interested parties within the US know who exactly should be hel
asciilifeform: d responsible for these war crimes, what they and their family members look like, and where they live.'
mircea_popescu: is he reading the logz or what.
asciilifeform: him or handler.
mircea_popescu is idly curious just how many "independent venues" will be reduced to "here's my inept restatement of logs" before the year/decade's out
asciilifeform: half of the 313337 seeeek0000rity types nearly, already
asciilifeform: at least the ones with ~anything to say.
mircea_popescu: (all of which, of course, entirely oblivious to the fact that their "branding" entirely fails to work, for one, and of the global meaning of this sort of cultural crushing on the other)
asciilifeform: derpus americanus can plagiarize essay in kindergarten and ~not feel like a dolt~
mircea_popescu: not like i didn't put a fucking notice! on the very trilema!
mircea_popescu: but apparently what i say is somehow optional rather not mandatory now or some weird shit.
asciilifeform: what can i say, some patients make do with ordinary dildo, others - need 5-horsepower rectal educator.
shinohai: $s 5-horsepower rectal educator
a111: 1 result for "5-horsepower rectal educator", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=5-horsepower%20rectal%20educator
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm starting adnotation work on mega 110k word opus. possibly the only item of interest to come out of usian letters this year.
shinohai: ^ for science
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who? mark twain ?
mircea_popescu: s/this year/since ww2/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy's dead! long long ago.
asciilifeform: wellyes
mircea_popescu: shinohai do you mean asscience ?
asciilifeform: but he had something-or-other on time delay
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the title is "The Story of Elliot Rodger. By Elliot Rodger. Adnotated."
asciilifeform not familiar.
mircea_popescu: so give it a few hours.
asciilifeform: oh hah, one of ~these~
mircea_popescu: the place produces scarce aught else.
asciilifeform: rather, völkischer beobachter on subj.
shinohai: mircea_popescu , I am rather disappoint that not a single person has responded to generous Eulora offer.
shinohai: making gpg key is too much I suppose.
mircea_popescu: teh beoble want living wage! too dumb to otherwise feed self!
asciilifeform: 'That night, I threw a wild tantrum, screaming and crying for hours on end. I had the whole apartment to myself, so there was no one there to hear me. I raged at the entire world, thrashing at my bed with my wooden practice sword and slashing at the air with my pocket knife. I even downed an entire bottle of wine, and got so drunk that I spilled my wine all over my laptop, permanently destroying it. I soaked my pillow with tears as I
asciilifeform: drifted off to sleep in my lonely bed.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're gonna liek... ruin it nao, i'm just not gonna say next time!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 04:53 boolcrap: is that a giant comb? wtf is that from
thestringpuller: lol "we're combing the desert" i always thought the afro pick was a nice touch. they don't make movies like that anymore.
shinohai: http://archive.is/TZTOB <<< interesting article on how usg might go about quashing armed rebellion.
asciilifeform: shinohai: quite anticlimactic article. 'with soldiers' - mega-surprise ?
asciilifeform: no mention of death ray, either!11111
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: never mention the death ray!!!!11
asciilifeform: probably linked for the lulgem, 'It’s interesting to note that many of the Constitutional protections afforded to American citizens still apply to those in arms against the government. For instance, federal judges will still have to authorize wiretaps on rebel phones during all phases of the federal response.'
asciilifeform: ... and i got a bridge to sell.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ~everyone figured out by now the usg can not continue.
mircea_popescu: hence all this bloviation.
phf: i always assumed lizard hitler death ray is activated by total recall style machinery, complete with four fingered alien hand shape on the switch
mircea_popescu: what's death ray do again ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in this case i was thinking of the microwave blaster thing
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527507 << would I qualify for offer, or is only for new people?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 13:54 shinohai: mircea_popescu , I am rather disappoint that not a single person has responded to generous Eulora offer.
mircea_popescu: PeterL you'd prolly qualify, yea, unless oyu got large mining skills ?
PeterL: have not set up game yet, but I have been thinking it might be fun to try
mircea_popescu: go for it.
mircea_popescu: #trilema 1 : whole-rest-of-"world" : 0
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: has been reading too many comic books.
asciilifeform: https://justpaste.it/19ha << 2.4GHz, not quite as spiffy, but with pretty picturez.
shinohai: ^ with tubez yet
asciilifeform: and let's also introduce a new lulzvector! -- 'There’s no need for the node to receive the transaction a second time if it still has the first copy. Compact block relay (BIP152) can eliminate this redundancy by allowing a node to receive from its peers an ordered list of what transactions are included in a new block. With this knowledge, the node can use the transactions it has already received to partly or fully reconstruct the tr
asciilifeform: ansactions part of the block for itself. If the node doesn’t receive all the transactions it needs to fully reconstruct the block, it requests the missing transactions from its peers, and then uses them to complete the block.'
mircea_popescu: should be interesting.
asciilifeform: 'This incentivization scheme is often called Child Pays For Parent (CPFP). In the simplest version, miners group a transaction and all of its ancestors together, calculating their total fee-per-byte in order to determine whether mining them together pays a high enough fee to outbid other individual transactions the miner wants to include in its next block.' << ain't that O(N^2) ?
asciilifeform: (aside from 'wtf, why')
asciilifeform: in fact, it isn't N^2, but potentially exponential (knapsack)
asciilifeform: and if this were not enough, now we get Official arm binaries, with 'These binaries are designed for Linux using GNU libc6'
mircea_popescu: well, gitian.
mircea_popescu: anyway, why : because merchants want to be able to "service" the inept consumer by tacking on extra fees if they get delayed.
mircea_popescu: note that this is hardly a change in any sense.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is there some rule that "experts" in anglosphere must be ludicrously inept at their chosen expertise, as per their own lights ? << Yes, if every "expert" sucks then tournament market doesn't need a very sweet pot for the winrar.
mircea_popescu: sick gainz.
PeterL: am I correct that we (specifically asciilifeform) decided that a transaction should not be accepted/relayed if its parents are not already in a block?
asciilifeform: PeterL: correct.
asciilifeform: as per the 'NEVER something-for-nothing-to-allcomers' principle.
asciilifeform: 'Backing up an HD wallet ensures that you will be able to re-generate any private keys produced by that wallet in the future...' << lift hdd contents via nsa lizardport once, lift coin that chump gets hold of years later !
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/bitfinex-partners-up-for-your-loss/ << Qntra - Bitfinex Partners Up For Your Loss
mircea_popescu: PeterL what's contemplated here is a) miner's internal kitchen, which he's allowed to do on the grounds of having paid for the gear ; b) not substantially different, you can just regard the two txn as one, provided you know about both.
mod6: (22:56) <@mod6> and don't forget to grab:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, PeterL was pointing out that trb does not relay the ingredients desired in this kitchen.
asciilifeform: which is correct.
mircea_popescu: basically prb is trying to act as a sort of bitcoin mining code repository ; some of the miners contribute some of the less critical code and well... github.
mod6: oops, sry.
PeterL: so miner running trb-esque thing would not have second transaction
mircea_popescu: miner runnign trb-esque thing only would not, right. the first gets cut off because fees, the second because unknown inputs.
asciilifeform: this piece was put in as attempt to disincentivize connection to trb nodes.
asciilifeform: specifically.
PeterL: but will trb accept block with chain of transactions in it?
asciilifeform: never mempool.
mircea_popescu: it was put in because they're desperate for relevancy ; and it was free code ; and more code is more better.
asciilifeform: (everybody, to date, accepts same blocks...)
PeterL: otherwise would fork, no?
asciilifeform: by definition.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Some miners already seemed to be running software that looked for "Child Pays For Parent" situations.
mircea_popescu: trb is however distinguished by being the most acceptant. so...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for a year or more.,
asciilifeform: recall the mit mega-leak (meanwhile 'unhappened') re bribing miners ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought since 2013 though some operations turn over
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform back before they got smushed on eth, when they thought they got money and a voice ? yeah, i remember.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, been a while.
asciilifeform: 'parent for child' gives usg a new place to spend the waterfall - as subsidies for 'expediting' Officially Blessed tx.
mircea_popescu: lol what waterfall.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't think there was a time since I came into communion with the proto-republic where it wasn't the case.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No. Miners already were looking for those situations to collect fees. This is just dump a bunch of unnecessary turdcode on the masses
mircea_popescu: eh, usg's problem is that it ain't got no money; not that it ain't got where to use the money it has.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand, 'these situations' can only exist for so long as somebody relays tx-with-ancestors-only-in-mempool.
asciilifeform: which is to say, chumps, permitting freeloading on their machine resource.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Miners always had slutty mempools.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527586 << waterfall outlets are not merely for spending coin stolen by usg to date (via pre-trial confiscations, transport searches, nsa pwnholes, etc) but for 'fyoootoor, planned' IOUcoin that is to be somehow rolled out.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 16:42 mircea_popescu: lol what waterfall.
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like nazis had all of su divided into gau, and appointed gauleiters, and even land allotments, even in '41.
asciilifeform: lizards nailed gold, and 'eternally refight the last war', just about all prb-isms are elements of 'here's where we can apply conservation-law-violation crowbar when we finally get hold of one'
mircea_popescu: eh. unlike the us, the reich worked.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
asciilifeform: a full frontal attack against the total issue cap would've been laughably stupid, so they will try ~every other possible angle.
asciilifeform: for whom ?
BingoBoingo: For answer!
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/paypal-freezes-bundy-accounts-over-rebellion-against-federal-government/ << Qntra - PayPal Freezes Bundy Accounts Over Rebellion Against Federal Government
mircea_popescu: laughably stupid never prevented them before.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc it was tried, the doge thing
asciilifeform: (where is it now ?)
mircea_popescu: marketing always wins!
mircea_popescu: EVERYONE ELSE CONTRIBUTES TO COSTS!!! DOGE CONTRIBUTES TO SALES!!!1
mircea_popescu: fucktards.
mircea_popescu: derp actually was dumb enough to cover for vessenes/merck and the rest of the scammer band ?
mircea_popescu: pretty shockingly dumb.
asciilifeform: 'Given the contentious situation we are living it is just my opinion that laanwj has the moral obligation to give the keys back to Gavin. Satoshi can be considered a person who passed away and last will was to have Gavin in control.'
asciilifeform: didja know.
asciilifeform: gets better:
asciilifeform: ' If ever there were a situation crying out for a smart contract - this is it.'
mircea_popescu: "But it is even worse when many of those attacks are agitated by someone that purports to be part of your own project. Not just involved with, even leading projects whose developers and users are openly hostile to us."
asciilifeform: '... laanwj is the one who actually holds all the control over bitcoin protcol for now. '
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: well, prb anyway.
asciilifeform: 'I see nothing wrong with having anonymous/pseudonymous contributors in an open source project, especially controversial ones like #bitcoin' << from https://twitter.com/orionwl , attributed to subj.
mircea_popescu: neither do i.
asciilifeform: i imagine fella means something quite different from 'every man has own v-tree and can apply patch he bought in back alley if he likes.'
mircea_popescu: also, orion is noot laan afaik
mircea_popescu: imagination is no subject of law.
asciilifeform does not make law
asciilifeform: https://gist.github.com/laanwj/9e5e404266a8956beabde522f97c421b#file-blatsting-txt-L362 << from earlier link, notes on reversing of recent nsa crapolade.
mircea_popescu got his hands fulla retard as it is.
asciilifeform: 'BLATSTING's implementers are a big fan of mmap. It seems to be used for all file access, not just for manipulating kernel memory through `/dev/mem`. Is it done this way to reduce the number of system calls, to be less conspicious, as well as not reveal what exactly is accessed when running in `strace`? Or maybe a later stage of the rootkit blocks certain kinds of syscalls on certain "hidden" files.'
phf: clever
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/pokemon-go-fad-already-over/ << Qntra - Pokemon Go Fad Already Over
asciilifeform: http://www.clifford.at/icestorm << yet another fpga reversing effort.
asciilifeform: ^ not news
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Chnsl << 'no waterfall.' noose.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not news, Roundup Xtend material
BingoBoingo: Unless someone else wants to support case of noose
BingoBoingo: Or you make a case for news
asciilifeform: linked item largely a snore.
asciilifeform: 'anonymous buyer who may or may not exist bought bag of coin which may or may not have been there'
BingoBoingo: Yeah, kinda why if it still seems fresh enough this weekend will be roundup xtended
mircea_popescu: mmap is the right tool!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite!
mircea_popescu: found the one lone dude still competent in the whole shit fondue fountain-castle.
mircea_popescu: and he prolly had to fight with management over it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the leaked widgets give a pretty good impression of the production quality, actually
asciilifeform: very reasonably engineered material.
mircea_popescu: count the hands.
asciilifeform: how am i to count the hands, i dun work there
mircea_popescu: but you got the code.
mircea_popescu: the one true shocker (and unsurprisingly fishwraps avoid the mention) is just how few hands were involved.
mircea_popescu: a dozen people (if that) carry on their "very reasonably engineered" with flecks of "right thing" a la mmap shoulders THOUSANDS of fucking social media monkeys and assorted barn animals ; they see a paltry few thousands out of the BILLIONS this shitfest burns each year ; and they don't even have good parking spaces.
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's 'seeeekrit evidential' sources, there are ~300 men, plus several thou 'contractors', of which perhaps 1 in 10 is a trojan writer in the usual sense, and the rest '0day finder' monkeys, operations 'trigger pullers', and similar.
asciilifeform: and naturally a full platoon administrative, 'diverse veteran-hire' barn animals for each of these folk.
mircea_popescu: i think they're slimming.
asciilifeform: the contractors live off-campus, working out of, e.g., raytheon, grumman, lockheed, and a bunch of 'small minority-owned businesses' (tm), and generally specialize in 'tools', rather than particular ops
asciilifeform: re the 'crowbars' from earlier, we have a 'This BIP defines a new witness program type that uses a Merkle tree to encode mutually exclusive branches in a script. This enables complicated redemption conditions that are currently not possible, improves privacy by hiding unexecuted scripts, and allows inclusion of non-consensus enforced data with very low or no additional cost.'
asciilifeform: 'here's what we gonna do when we get the rapehole in'
asciilifeform: 'we'll have tx whose outputs depend on the text of next month's new york times, fuckyou'
asciilifeform: it helps to also remember that 'text of new york times' can - and often does - retro-mutate.
asciilifeform: which is naturally a coveted wet dream of the enemy, retconning blocks.
asciilifeform: or 'not-quite-blocks', 'segregated shitnesses', or what are they calling pseudo-blox today, i lost track.
phf: there is nothing wrong with your television set. do not attempt to adjust the picture.
asciilifeform: their entire toolkit, when confronted with something that 'mysteriously' refuses to die when asked nicely, appears to consist of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511945
a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 00:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511937 << oh, "color revolutions" dun work ? tell you what, we'll steal your country's exports and with the proceeds finance an alt-country we'll pretend is realy your country. ha-ha!
asciilifeform: it isn't even a wholly ineffectual tool - worked on, e.g., linux.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing obliges you to accept transactions that don't conform.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: noshit.jpg
asciilifeform: rejecting thousands of turds per hours as it is.
mircea_popescu: sure, this will prolly "be implemented" ; then some idiots will "use it" ; then we'll get some "oh mp is a scammer because i sent him 5 btc he's not recognizing" threads on reddit.
mircea_popescu: i'll care deeply.
mircea_popescu: just as much as i cared about the 2012 variant.
asciilifeform: there will (and perhaps already are) a multitude of chumpers who believe they have X btc, while really they have some quantity Q, possible 0, of actual btc, and X-Q of gavinola, which consists of tx, somehow elaborately processed, that trb rejects as noise, and display as wtf 'shot into the sun' crapolade in any civilized block viewer
mircea_popescu: there's also people who imagine they "have a voice" ; or "social media power" or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: there's the regular idiots who think themselves "rich", esr style.
asciilifeform: it is laughable, but appears to have successfully depressed, e.g., gold price.
asciilifeform: (~same process)
mircea_popescu: there's no end to the human capacity for self delusion - which is fundamentally the point of our discussion coupla days ago. you can't have a protocol that keeps people from being stupid.
mircea_popescu: do you know how many people think "500 followers" means 500 followers ?
mircea_popescu: do you know how many people think they have "money in the bank", a la http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/ ?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, do you know how many think they have seven sons ?
ben_vulpes: more tragically, do you know how many social media mommies think that 20 likes on instagram trump 3 girlfriends who'll come over and hold their kid while the smm sobs over a lost parent?
mircea_popescu: ~all english speaking ones.
ben_vulpes: it's tragic!
mircea_popescu: stupidity is always tragic to the stupid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: earlier observation is just that - observation. that turdmeisters apparently wish to live as cockroaches in the crevices of bitcoin, instead of issuing 'honest' plainly labeled usg alt.
mircea_popescu: i find it mildly amusing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they got nuked, currently is all they can try for.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe stephen still wears red pants next year ; or maybe brown ; or maybe dead.
ben_vulpes: it's an excellent opportunity to teach about the stealing being stolen.
asciilifeform: this is not only angled as 'we'll sell i-cant-believe-its-not-bitcoin to rubes', but also piggybacks on honest nodes' storage and bandwidth.
mircea_popescu: i don't see how you can be forced to store txn you dun wanna.
mircea_popescu: after all - it pays per kb.
asciilifeform: if it's in a block.
asciilifeform: then i gotta.
mircea_popescu: still :)
mircea_popescu: the other side of "segwit" is that there will NEVER be a block size increase. period and full stop.
mircea_popescu: given the dilemma of http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ the choice was to find a solution that doesn't brick extant miners. understandably.
mircea_popescu: this is all fine. and they're more than welcome to hold whatever sidechain db in whatever manner until they fall over.
asciilifeform: node operation, in the present implementation of the braindamage, is almost a 'religious' act
mircea_popescu: you can count on 1`000`000 bytes ~ every six minutes til kingdom come. that's your bitcoin footprint.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'segwit' thing is, as i understand, intended as a protocol hardfork - to isolate trb users.
mircea_popescu: that they make segwit ; that we make deedbot (the two are not even vaguely dissimilar, by the way, except prb doesn't know how to code cleanly), is really nobody's problem.
mircea_popescu: heck, we might even implement sidechains of whatever fashionable flavour of the month, as a bold-on, if anyone's bored enough.
mircea_popescu: though it should not happen prior to 2018, i expect a lot of dao-lolz coming out of what's fundamentally a middling design.
asciilifeform cannot speak for others, but is neither 'bored enough' nor sees the point.
mircea_popescu: hey, freedom's about liberty.
shinohai: I'll gladly make someone coloured coin and relieve them of good BTC
asciilifeform: how come nobody (afaik) ever tried this, btw, with paper money ?
asciilifeform: 'usd with prime serial # is now worth xxxx!11111'
mircea_popescu: but they did.
asciilifeform: i knew it! mircea_popescu will answer 'that one time in new york in '68...'
asciilifeform: let's hear story?
mircea_popescu: lol no, this was variously done.
phf: try buying a $1000 bill for less than $1700
asciilifeform: phf: not comparable
mircea_popescu: case of "only odd digit is good from now on" instead of making new currency, to stablize
asciilifeform: phf: these never circulated
mircea_popescu: also case of "converbile - but only so and so numbers monday ; so and so tuesday" etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: state-operated devaluations also not same
mircea_popescu: to get you the actual pointers i'd have to dig out through my official history of currency trainingbook which i continents ago misplaced.
asciilifeform: i was thinking of direct analogue of 'coloured coin', that is, 'issued' by derp who has 0 connection to the mint
asciilifeform: devaluations - are old hat.
mircea_popescu: i suppose some soapy smith somewhere did something like this.
asciilifeform: i personally played with massive shoebox of rubles as a boy, and buncha other folk here also.
mircea_popescu: also money lottery was popular in the time of voltaire
mircea_popescu: (anyone up to date on the lulz that passed for fiscal management of the kingdom back in 1750s ? )
asciilifeform: 'redeem banknote with five sixes for 666!' ?
mircea_popescu: well, state issued "rents", ie, you give them so much and they give you so much back.
mircea_popescu: then didn't pay.
mircea_popescu: so they devalued
asciilifeform: how does that differ from modern bond bezzle ?
mircea_popescu: THEN came up with idea of lottery, to repay full value for the serials took from a hat.
mircea_popescu: then voltaire andsome friends bought all the emissions and so "won" the "lottery"
mircea_popescu: really, the 1700s are more instructive to the student of modern finance than any available material.
mircea_popescu: turns out pretense empire always dies the same ways.
asciilifeform: i see 'coloured coin' as a fundamentally distinct type of chumpatron, 'let's monetize blue Turbo chewing gum wrappers!1111' 'and oh btw i totally don't have a shoebox full of blue'
asciilifeform: it is 'alt with premining' by modern parlance, possibly.
mircea_popescu: nah. the original colored coins was a "let's do mpex over bitcoin network because mp is something you can replace by a napkin sketch of a protocol"
mircea_popescu: ie, THESE coins are now going to be SHARES in so and so.
asciilifeform: well yes.
asciilifeform: blue-turbos are SHARES!111
asciilifeform: ('in what?' 'in this big pot of real money you idiots gave me for them, that i PROMISE!1111 never to spend')
mircea_popescu: yeah well there is also that.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/cost-of-wrong-kitty-litter-escalates-into-the-billions-following-nuclear-waste-accident/ << Qntra - Cost Of Wrong Kitty Litter Escalates Into The Billions Following Nuclear Waste Accident
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didntcha have 'turbo' in mircea_popesculandia circa late 80s
asciilifeform: or did i dream this.
mircea_popescu: iirc i even told the story of the gambling game i devised which made me uber rich
mircea_popescu: should be somewhere in ancient logs.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-07 16:12 mircea_popescu: turbo was for kids tho, we had the one before that. with fake money.
asciilifeform: phf: holy shit, i half-suspected i had the last extant examples.
BingoBoingo: anyways asciilifeform The auction made qntra early
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, them!
diana_coman: hm, deedbot handed me 2 broomsticks before handing the OTP link (in the third try)
phf: i remember that aston martin one it was a much coveted item because of the cyberpunk lady http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6pAAAOSwZ8ZW2yJW/s-l1600.jpg in fact i remember half of these.
mircea_popescu: i think the yellow tvr was the most valuable.
asciilifeform: i remember ~all of these.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: was any of this a thing on your side of the ocean ?
mircea_popescu: no lol. these are turkish makers.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not sure. I am a young-ish.
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if even today schoolboys did not have these 'spontaneous monetizations'
asciilifeform: (but of ~what~ now, i have deeply nfi.)
asciilifeform: (... pokemon wrappers? )
phf: everything is digital and commerce is microagression anyway
BingoBoingo: microagressions aren't real. There's just actual aggressions and thinskinned butthurt
asciilifeform: in one of the american schools i went to as a kid, they had 'magic the gathering'
asciilifeform: (of later mtgox fame)
asciilifeform: was quite reminiscent of the chewing gum.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they don't. these spontaneous monetizations are spontaneous from an interplay of sexuality and violence which does not exist in anglo world.
mircea_popescu: aha phf has it.
asciilifeform: i did not go to ~these~ schools, no.
asciilifeform: so - nfi
mircea_popescu: the ~reason we monetized these was because a) we'd snowball the girls into little piles as soon as the snow came and b) we'd wrestle hundreds of times a day.
asciilifeform: but 'naturam expellas furca tamen usque recurret' (tm) (r) so betcha they have SOMETHING.
mircea_popescu: yes, but it's stupid.
phf: ah the old art of wrestling the girl into snow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stupid vs bubblegum wrap ?
mircea_popescu: phf that was a banned maneuver in my place.
asciilifeform: how do you make that.
asciilifeform: also i dun see the connection with wrestling (in what school do little kids not wrestle one another?)
phf: there's mtg but there's not even trade around mtg, afaiu it is heavily mediated through parents "so it that it's fair"
asciilifeform: i can almost picture this.
mircea_popescu: 10yo acceptable maneuvers re girls were a) throwing soft snowball (really hard iced ones were for boys only!) ; sticking snow behind neck but only if done with trickery (ie, if the girl was aware she's about to get it you couldn't do it) and finally pulling pants off. bonus points if also underwear.
mircea_popescu: that was more of a summer thing though.
asciilifeform distinctly recalls recent case of boy condemned to insane asylum in usaschwitz for pulling pants off gurl.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it got pretty much all of the girls wearing dresses.
mircea_popescu: somehow lifting skirt was not ever contemplated.
phf: i think wrestle also required trickery
mircea_popescu: kidlogic.
mircea_popescu: phf by and large the deep driver being that girls at that age suck, being as they are ~marmots. babyfat bubbles on uneasy legs.
phf: because you couldn't really test strength against girl, that was inconceivable and those who tried were just weirdos (not to mention testing strength against girl the fuck), but if you managed to do a sneak drop
mircea_popescu: ah, yeah, ankle hook was permitted. if you count that as wrestling.
mircea_popescu: tho in fairness more girls got boys that way.
phf: lies!
asciilifeform: ;;later tell felipelalli y'know, znc is supposed to go on RELIABLE, remote box... not the comp on your desk.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: true truth, i saw it.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha check it out!
mircea_popescu: he... installed znc.
asciilifeform: apparently.
asciilifeform: reminds me of the old saw with 'yer suppose to ~take~ the bc pill, for it to work'
mircea_popescu: you know the "is it true aspirin is contraceptive" ?
asciilifeform: 'put between knees'
mircea_popescu: AND HOLD IT THERE.
felipelalli: asciilifeform: I know :p but I don't know znc just died.
mircea_popescu: pretty ridoinculous seeing how half the time i fuck girl with knees together.
felipelalli: I started it again.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli you're supposed to get a cheap vps and run znc there.
mircea_popescu: if you run it on yoru desktop is no better than your normal ircf client
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: it's better than my notebook :) I'm pretty sure my cleaning lady plugged the computer off. OK, you guys win, I'll pay a vps shit just to install this little shit.
mircea_popescu: a little vps is useful to have anyway. it's one of those things, like a shed. once you have it - uses abound.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 426557 | Current Difficulty: 2.1737548275723764E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 427391 | Next Difficulty In: 834 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 9 hours, 8 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 580.98, vol: 4867.18938293 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 582.723, vol: 8617.84272 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 584.06, vol: 5182.97466007 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 579.65, vol: 5224.2319025 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 580.035933, vol: 78155.69660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 582.81, vol: 955.74625799 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 581.35, vol: 1249.93228217 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 580.519255, vol: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://www.apmex.com/category/61100/1-000-frns-1928-1934 << lulzy re earlier thread.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: elsewhere, 'One thousand dollar bills may seem rare and exotic to the casual observers. The latest series date is 1934A. Surprisingly though, $1,000 bills were seen in circulation up until the early 1970s. You could still order them from banks in the 1960s. It is not uncommon for older Americans to take them to the bank to try to get face value today. Of course we wouldn’t recommend selling them for face value. Only severely impair
asciilifeform: ed examples should be worth face value. All other notes are definitely collectible. Some $1,000 bills can be worth several thousand dollars each. Your standard value for a generic note in lightly circulated condition is probably $1,600.'
asciilifeform: 'It should go without saying that at the time when most $1,000 bills were printed that they were virtually unobtainable for the average American citizen. We are specifically talking about 1928 and 1934 notes. You can only imagine what kind of purchasing power a $1,000 bill had during the great depression. What is really amazing is that $1,000 bills were first issued during the 1860s. You would have to be extremely wealthy to ever eve
asciilifeform: n see a one thousand dollar bank note issued before 1900. That is why large size $1,000 bills are so rare today. If you were rich enough to see one, you were smart enough to not keep it. Currency didn't really become collectible until the 1950s. There was no reason to save a $1,000 bill. You were just losing out on the interest it could be earning.'
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 636679.885816 | Volume-weighted last average: 580.519926911
shinohai: BingoBoingo: dooli added you to list doolipail/cat-lovers <<< I suppose due to latest kitty-litter Qntra in rss feed
znort987: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526766 << for the record, not 'as we speak'. kako was helpful during the hand-over in May/Early June. rating was also given to exercise my understanding of the wot.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 15:26 asciilifeform: is being 'helped' by kako as we speak, likely.
asciilifeform: znort987: are you familiar with how there came to be a #trilema ?
asciilifeform: and with why kakobrekla is not to be found there ?
BingoBoingo: For that we need to go back to the Egyptian Scientists and that time Big headed Yakub invented white folk as the perfect slave race.
znort987: asciilifeform: yes, I spent the last week or so reading the logs in both parallel universes before I dip my toes in the waters of irc.
BingoBoingo: But Big Headed Yakub made white folk wrong!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: paintgun, ran out of paint, everybuddyknowz.
znort987: so fully aware. also don't have a dog in this fight. like I said was trying to see how the wot worked and gave rating where I felt they were due
asciilifeform: znort987: there is not - unfortunately - yet a fully decentralized (see 'gossipd' thread) wot mechanism. but there are at least 3 centralized wotrons. in order of age: -otc wot; kakobreklan ('assbot') wot; and #trilema wot.
asciilifeform: most of the users of each successive wotron left the previous one 'to the worms and flies' and quit updating ratings therein.
znort987: asciilifeform: yeah, I had that conversation in the other universe. I actually had assumed - given who hangs here - that wot was just gpg keys giving rating to gpg keys and that as long as signed ratings were broadcast far and wide, there was no need for central server. but then I was wrong and discovered the 3-headed snake. I think I'm more or less up to date now.
asciilifeform: the 'keys rating keys' thing does not yet exist.
trinque: and for that matter *should*
znort987: asciilifeform: yeah, like I said, I assumed.
asciilifeform: trinque: it was part of mircea_popescu's original gossipd spec.
trinque: aha, I'm not gonna bolt some sweet shit on the side of deedbot til gossipd
asciilifeform: trinque: well it wouldn't make any sense as a deedbot component
znort987: trinque: one point that was raised (in other chan) around the gpg keys signing ratings of other keys was how to handle revoked keys.
asciilifeform: (though i suppose it could ~store~ the key-rated-key item as easily as anything else could)
trinque: could do the chattering to other deedbots about ratings if ratings were signed matter fed to deedbot via pastebin
asciilifeform: znort987: key revocation is not actually a thing
trinque: phf and I have briefly discussed it
znort987: asciilifeform: mmh. ok, I'll bite. why ?
asciilifeform: znort987: rather, yes, there was provision for it in the original openpgp spec, but it is a bogus concept because it entails a global repository of revocation messages and a universal agreement re what time it presently is.
asciilifeform: $s revocation
a111: 40 results for "revocation", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=revocation
trinque: $s political time
a111: 46 results for "political time", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=political%20time
asciilifeform: ^ there was at least one detailed thread re this.
znort987: asciilifeform: yeah the timestamp of sigs in gpg has always felt like a sorely missing feature. but then I guess you'd need - idk - a blockchain to solve that particular problem I guess.
asciilifeform: znort987: familiar with the 'protocol vs promise' concept that we developed and exposed here ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/ << Trilema - The Story of Elliot Rodger. By Elliot Rodger. Adnotated. Part One.
asciilifeform: revocation is a ~promise~, in that there is not such a thing, and never will be such a thing, as a magical lever that instantly makes a key stop working.
znort987: asciilifeform: nope. noob here. been reading *some* of the recent logs.
phf: if it's keys signing keys then deedbot's ux is rediced to wotpaste urls to signed messages, and then deedbots role is to download/keep a history
asciilifeform: there is only a message, that you can transmit to other ~people~, politely asking 'please stop using this key'
trinque: phf: ftr I wholly support this idea, and in this scheme it's not global time that matters; it's when deedbot saw the material.
asciilifeform: and - do i need to draw a picture, or is this obvious ? - they are free to ignore it; or they may not even GET the message; and are guaranteed to get it, IF they get it, at different physical TIMES
asciilifeform: what do you do with a signature that took place after a revocation time, that you have ALREADY accepted as valid for some purpose ?
znort987: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527884 << jeez. mother of all the walls of text. life is short ... will try to digest at some point
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 21:44 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/ << Trilema - The Story of Elliot Rodger. By Elliot Rodger. Adnotated. Part One.
phf: trinque: well, since it's only order of your own rates that's important (rather than global rate order), then you can keep own sequence. 1.rate.phf.-1.doofus, 2.rate.phf.3.actually i take that back. you can just use timestamp if you trust your clock to not fuck you over
trinque: ah right, you said this.
asciilifeform: phf: when you make use of a timestamp, you are also asking ~other~ people to trust clock not to fuck ~them~ over.
asciilifeform: it is not a thing to be done lightly.
phf: asciilifeform: no!
phf: asciilifeform: only important is that one number is bigger than another
asciilifeform: there is not a guarantee even of this
asciilifeform: which is why phf can buy airplane ticket and celebrate new year twice in a year.
phf: because you don't need to place all rates into absolute order, you just need to order rates of a single person, then it's up to that person to choose which sequence they use. of course better to just keep own counter, but lazy people can rely on timestamp, and get screwed over from time to time
asciilifeform: then it is most appropriate to use sequence number
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'which meant that out of a hundred or so kids eating in a large room, I was the one getting the chicken meat parts. Which I didn't like, nor ate, because they were inferior bits to what I normally chomped at home, and they consequently didn't interest me, notwithstanding that most of those children had never in their life eaten meat. Supposedly it was good for them, right ? Vegetarianism is the future and all that ?'
asciilifeform: << holy shit, ro of the period was a motherfucking india ?!
asciilifeform never lacked for meat, nor had any notion that any european childrenz in 20th motherfucking century, might have.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/eu-tinar-8.jpg << l0L!! i still have ~that~ coat
asciilifeform: was it the same in entire sovblok ?
phf: proud product of hozshitnarprod, izhevsk
asciilifeform falls down
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell znort987 a) it's one part of what looks like 7 or 8 and b) for entomologist interest only.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually it was a very good coat. tough as nails.
asciilifeform: all i ever changed were the buttons.
mircea_popescu: i think it might beat raytheon
asciilifeform: y'mean the raygun from last thread ?
asciilifeform: whoknows.
mircea_popescu: nah, whatever derpy vests
phf: same factory produced baby blankets, specialty coats for generals and buran reentry flack
asciilifeform: similar coat figured in a famous (in certain circles) duel b/w two drunken privates in ww2, fought with lendlease 'thompsons' ('.45' calibre)
asciilifeform: two coats, neither pierced.
mircea_popescu: for srs.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-21#1526219 << found the park and theater, cafe we found was closed for repair.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 13:07 mircea_popescu: listen : go to the president cafe or w/e it'scalled, the one right across from the teatre / across the street from that park, an' take some pics.
trinque: went instead to "nuestra tierra" and ate a massive pile of seafood, drank muchas margaritas
mircea_popescu: $up lolgato1
deedbot: lolgato1 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: cr seafood is pretty good
asciilifeform: lolgato1 has quit (Client Quit) << do they fuck like this, also ?
mircea_popescu: from what i hear.
asciilifeform: and aaaaaaaaah the thrust collars are finally here.
pete_dushenski thinks he might've finally figured out weechat
phf: they can deal with only so much complexity before they expect to receive a tasty morsel
asciilifeform how many folks do not know the joy of 'part that took month to find, fits!'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527621 << actually this is a situation specifically calling out for smart people, and exactly the opposite of calling out for "smart contracts"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 17:32 asciilifeform: ' If ever there were a situation crying out for a smart contract - this is it.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, we have girlfriends too.
asciilifeform: was it in a mircea_popescu article that i read 'rat does not know where he will eat, but knows that he ~will~ eat, and delights in the disjunction' ?
mircea_popescu: sounds like a mp thing to say
asciilifeform: either that or my robotic mircea_popescutron generated it.
asciilifeform: but it is true.
asciilifeform put one of them collars on, then searched in vain for why turning handwheel is ~FUCK THIS WON'T MOVE~, chug-chug-chug instead of whhhhrr. inspected lead screw, with magnifying glass, took whole slide apart, back together, then noticed that the stepper motor's wires were touching...
asciilifeform: it became - think - a kind of dynamo, grunting against a short circuit.
asciilifeform: as per mircea_popescu's old piece 'a deal can be anything' --
asciilifeform: ' a bug can be anything '
asciilifeform: outside of your current field of mental vision.
mircea_popescu: bugs are technically deals. just, deals you're not part of.
asciilifeform: very much these.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527876 << there's no practical way to "revoke" a key ; much like there's no practical way to make that british supreme court judge not stupid.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 21:41 asciilifeform: znort987: rather, yes, there was provision for it in the original openpgp spec, but it is a bogus concept because it entails a global repository of revocation messages and a universal agreement re what time it presently is.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527906 << late 80s ?! yeah, working class could get chicken thighs, pig feet or else soy-baloney.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 22:16 asciilifeform: << holy shit, ro of the period was a motherfucking india ?!
mircea_popescu: ceausescu was paying the country's debts recall. 5bn in 9 years.
mircea_popescu: diabethes patients could have 100 grams / month.
asciilifeform: sounds quite like wartime / ration-card su.
asciilifeform: (not speaking of, e.g., besieged leningrad, but overall.)
mircea_popescu: i expect, yeah.
mircea_popescu: oh i forgot - the vietnamese "shrimp"
mircea_popescu: a strange sort of im not even sure wtf it was. insulation foam.
asciilifeform had no experience of these marvels.
thestringpuller: wow did trb blackhole the entire box this time
asciilifeform did, not long before the airplane, tasted soy 'chocolate' and went 'ewwww'
thestringpuller: I GUESS I'LL FIND OUT
diana_coman used to like watching them curl in hot oil ; not eating them though
mircea_popescu: vietnam export in exchange for whatever heavy machinery they were getting.
mircea_popescu: $google creveti vietnamezi
deedbot: http://crazymothercooker.blogspot.com/2011/10/chipsuri-expandate-din-creveti-100-home.html << CRAZY MOTHER COOKER: CHIPSURI EXPANDATE DIN CREVETI ... | http://www.emag.ro/supermarket/pelete-de-creveti-200g-tao-tao-72804/pd/DW601BBBM/ << Pelete de creveti 200g Tao Tao - eMAG.ro | http://www.totuldespremame.ro/retete/pranz/paste-cu-creveti-excelente-pentru-toata-familia << Paste cu creveţi, excelente pentru toată familia - Totul Despre Mame
mircea_popescu: there. basically shrimp-shell flavoured rice puffs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but hey, i 'made up for lost time' later, had my share of petro-rubbish in usaschwitz.
diana_coman: myeah, tapioca mainly
asciilifeform: prolly quite enough to die at least decade sooner, and that is supposing i eat no moar of it.
mircea_popescu: well, priviledge is priviledge. i never had any then nor now. I WILL DIE FORNEVER!
diana_coman: re meat though in the countryside everybody grew their own meat iirc
mircea_popescu: yeah, and then if they caught you cutting a veal they'd lock you up!
diana_coman still recalls playing a "police game" which consisted roughly in driving the car across a small figuring and shouting: got another policeman!
diana_coman: apparently as a result of trips from the countryside with the pig carcass
asciilifeform: hey i had this as pc game!111
asciilifeform: 'quarantine'.
diana_coman: I suppose "they" being the neighbours who also cut veal etc dunno about locking up
diana_coman: though there was ofc the "the fox got them *again*" eternal story re chicken I think
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527910 << you know the italians had a better one rite.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 22:25 phf: proud product of hozshitnarprod, izhevsk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tangentially: you have remnants of http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=FOOBAR in trilema.
mircea_popescu: ah cuz search huh. dang.
mircea_popescu: $up VINSIN
deedbot: VINSIN voiced for 30 minutes.
VINSIN: hey
mircea_popescu: i love it when i ask mysqld things it takes seconds to answer.
mircea_popescu: hello VINSIN
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527781 << pokemon cards were definitely a 'money' in elementary school. 'pogs' idem. there's always some collectible scraps ready to take the mantle, regardless of the age and locale.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 18:39 asciilifeform: (... pokemon wrappers? )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pet, seeing thread, briefed me on 'pogs'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 11 fixes!
pete_dushenski: could be snapchat nudies now for all i know
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: nah it's gotta be something 'scarce'
asciilifeform: (in the elementary sense that it can't simply propagate to all the have-nots)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol. ya i even entered pog tourney once.
pete_dushenski: i was better at lego tourneys it turned out
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3F0F2B8C4D3CA8AB2E472F60F174C6C8FEE475C87E9B966190C9B8A80C02FC23 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 112272957310520557937287888630701884074400262312252660684746015492220368624387 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.21 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.6.21@mkj.lt>; '
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/264C89BED70EDF1ABBD841805C2A3EF1275599C01C8601A53097FE0FE8F4524C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 112272957310520557937287888630701884074400262312252660684746015492220368624387 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.1.73 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.1.73 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.1.73@mkj.lt>; '
asciilifeform: 'AS28400 SECRETARIA DE COMUNICACIONES Y TRANSPORTES COORDINACION DE LA SOCIEDAD DE LA INFORMACION Y EL CONOCI, 32190'
asciilifeform: Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, MX
asciilifeform: sodamigo!1111111
asciilifeform: 'it was invented! in a prison, south of the boooooorder, whereyaneed some help, to keep the badboyz away.....'
asciilifeform: 'sodamigo's yer friend, he protects yer rearend, so you won't be surprised by JOSE!1111'
asciilifeform: (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: dafuq is that
pete_dushenski: 'collectible' ?
shinohai: rofl asciilifeform
asciilifeform: i saw grown men dressed as that thing, in bmore
pete_dushenski: kids aren't allowed to compete anymore. too many winners and lusers.
asciilifeform: they were having a convention of some kind
pete_dushenski: so no pogs, magic, pokemon cards, etc. just shiny bobbles
asciilifeform: i recall an article, ~5 or so years ago, in uni. of maryland newspaper, about a fight in uni library (!) over a deck of pokemon cards.
asciilifeform: explained why i saw an entire rubbish bin full of them the previous night.
asciilifeform: the participants were said to have been high school pupils, part of a tour group.
asciilifeform: (library and gym are the ~only places i still frequent there)
pete_dushenski: gym ? like work out ? /me can't quite fathom alf doing deadlifting/chinups/treadmill
asciilifeform: i wonder what else pete_dushenski can't quite fathom
asciilifeform: sometimes i wish i could meet everybody's strange mental picture of everybody else.
pete_dushenski: fwiw i also can't fathom alf at president trump's inauguration dinner table
pete_dushenski: or flying mig, etc.
asciilifeform: speaking of,
asciilifeform: ;;seen mthreat
gribble: mthreat was last seen in #trilema 19 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, 17 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <mthreat> trinque: sweet thanks
pete_dushenski: anyways, our mental representations of one another would indeed be fascinating. a motley assemblage of irc logs, blog posts, and various sm tidbits
pete_dushenski: and trilema conferences
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: any thoughts on conference 4 of late ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: y'know, you could just drop by & visit him, as iirc ben_vulpes did
asciilifeform: it dun have to be during a conference.
pete_dushenski: true, having whole gang together is rather appealing tho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu really exists, and lives approximately where he is said to live, and really is this tall skinny fella, as pictured in, e.g., my www.
asciilifeform: though - for what i imagine are good reasons of his own - he likes to entertain guests under open sky, rather than at home.
pete_dushenski: well, you exist as well. i could visit you too. ben, bingo, shin, mod idem. all of which would be a few hours travel, not a whole day each way.
asciilifeform: nearest, i think, would be BingoBoingo .
pete_dushenski: hell, davout wouldn't be a bad guy to ring up atm either.
pete_dushenski: ben's probably marginally closer than BingoBoingo from here
asciilifeform: or phf, when his orbit intersects with yours.
pete_dushenski: all in good time, i suppose
pete_dushenski to eat leftover korean
asciilifeform: $up boolcrap
deedbot: boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
boolcrap: stas you remember how to calculate base from segment selector and gdt in x64?
asciilifeform: dafuq would you need to do this in longmode, boolcrap
boolcrap: hehe
boolcrap: well, windows still uses fs and gs as general purpose registers
asciilifeform: weren't they used for stack cookie or sumthing
boolcrap: pointer to the datastructure that contains all the information about current threads and crapola
boolcrap: hrm , let me go thru this one again.
boolcrap: hrm, this is pretty nice - but nope.
boolcrap: im working tractor 2.0
boolcrap: true bare tractor
asciilifeform: boolcrap: the microphone is on, recall?
asciilifeform: mr. reagan.
boolcrap: speaking of, didnt they just let hinkley out?/
asciilifeform: though 'out' may be wrong word, he is 'free to walk the Big Zone' now.
boolcrap: hrm, i think they should have charged jody foster with accomplice to murder
boolcrap: this watermelon is amazing stas
boolcrap: you're missing out
asciilifeform: did this one have legs, did it squeal on the block ?
boolcrap: it didnt squeal but it popped open as soon as i stabbed it
asciilifeform: i recall reading some chinese chick's 'story of my sad life' book in american school, and she described her arranged marriage, and how the husband-to-be kept repeating 'kai-gwa!' or how he will 'open the watermelon'
asciilifeform: i.e. pop her cherry, when the time comes
asciilifeform: and also described, briefly, the kai-gwa proper.
boolcrap: hahaha
boolcrap: what kind of book is that
boolcrap: what grade?
asciilifeform: damned if i remember.
asciilifeform: ;;google kai gwa
gribble: The Joy Luck Club Part 4, Chapter 2 Summary - Shmoop: <http://www.shmoop.com/joy-luck-club/part-4-chapter-2-summary.html>; Joy Luck Club Vocabulary Flashcards | Quizlet: <https://quizlet.com/12579506/joy-luck-club-vocabulary-flash-cards/>; mark: my words: <http://www.mark.co.ke/>
asciilifeform: possibly ^ that.
boolcrap: you got a solid american education stas
boolcrap: better than most
boolcrap: must be your white privilege
asciilifeform: how else.
boolcrap: get him, hes white!
boolcrap: hows that for white privilege
asciilifeform: $up Ferrol88
deedbot: Ferrol88 voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: Ferrol88: hello. who might you be ?
phf: mircea_popescu: you know they made scateboards in su, my dad brought me one from tallinn, because he was obsessed with Estonia, but i'm pretty sure by mid 80s they made them all over
asciilifeform: $up boolcrap
deedbot: boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: phf i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: hey, pretty cool. whne is this ? 90s ?
phf: rula was the estonian brand, and they started making them at least in 70s
mircea_popescu: well i had no idea. these things... they're kinda group run.
phf: hah, here's an old rula from some su '84 movie http://s51.radikal.ru/i131/1107/de/6cf18e720ba1.jpg
phf: i'm pretty sure only reason we had it is because tallinn was closest my dad could get to not-ussr, so he'd buy up whatever cool shit he could find
mircea_popescu: anyway - i'm so impressed with you lot actually chewing through that turd, i'm writing the next part.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was epic
asciilifeform: phf: we had, by same token, junk from finland and czechoslovakia.
mircea_popescu: we're just getting wormed up.
asciilifeform: and buncha stuff from ro.
mircea_popescu: ro made skis that were not bad iirc.
asciilifeform: incl a very spiffy flashlight with blinkenlights.
asciilifeform: (probably intended as road safety thing but fascinating to kid)
mircea_popescu: course... do you even sky in mos-cow ?
phf: what they call "crosscountry" here is of course winter sop in moscow
mircea_popescu recalls this lulz where country girl married rich british fellow who had two kids ; who came to visit.
mircea_popescu: girl's father had aro (huge bulky suv from the 70s, could go through swamp) and boat. you know, like that, boat, on land
mircea_popescu: kids loved the car, but what is boat for ?
mircea_popescu: old guy smiled
mircea_popescu: then it started to rain...
mircea_popescu: "boat is for going shopping"
mircea_popescu: ok phf that's beautiful. i fucking miss winter.
phf: yeah, main reason i got back to moscow every other winter. "why are you going to russia in winter? isn't it cold? lol!" shut. the. fuck. up.
mircea_popescu: that's not even cold.
mircea_popescu: perfect snow, looks like maaaaybe -5
mircea_popescu: so anyone recall the spot in the logs many years ago where i explained to iirc trinque that the great sex mutation was most likely driven by the introduction of speech ?
mircea_popescu: i guess it'll be a forever lost arcana reference.
asciilifeform: meanwhile: curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" | cut -d' ' -f23 | sort | uniq
asciilifeform: ^ displays all ssh pops;
asciilifeform: but, more interestingly:
asciilifeform: for ip in `curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" | cut -d' ' -f23`; do nc -w 5 $ip 22 ; done
mircea_popescu: connects ?
asciilifeform: you get the greets
asciilifeform: SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20
asciilifeform: ^ the champ ^
asciilifeform: SSH-1.99-HUAWEI-1.5
asciilifeform: ^ runner up ^
asciilifeform: 'SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2' , 'SSH-1.99-DOPRA-1.5' << seem to be tied for 3rd plc.
asciilifeform: the timeout thing dun seem to work on my netcat, so this is a painfully slow experiment
asciilifeform: others are invited to replicate.
asciilifeform: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u3 << lel
phf: what i don't understand is where all the "cool kids" are during summer break? why not go play with them then so you don't have to catch up every time?
phf is really involved in the story, "go little weird short guy, go!"
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
mircea_popescu: oh lmao.
mircea_popescu: btw, it's entirely self-justificatory nonsense. i have personally verified short stature does not per se negatively impact the shorty's prospects.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now i gotta ask, how ??
asciilifeform: how'dya verify this.
mircea_popescu: cuz like this : what's incidence of dude being under 5 feet ? then how come like the best caporegime i ever had was like 4 9 ?
mircea_popescu: better error messages! sign the petition!
asciilifeform: what means 'best caporegime i ever had'
asciilifeform: in what sense he was best
mircea_popescu: well, in the literal sense, it's a mafia term denoting this dude who operates independently. but in the figurative sense here used, the idea is that you compare incidence as of the biological phenomenon with incidence as invidivuals-who-are-short-and-also-have-x.
mircea_popescu: to guess whether short prevents x or not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you know who alexey maresyev was ?
mircea_popescu: i do not.
asciilifeform: ru ww2 flyer ace.
asciilifeform: lost his legs.
asciilifeform: kept flyin'
asciilifeform: and scorin'
asciilifeform: pelevin had a riot of a b00k, where there was a 'maresyev school of jet pilotage', where they procrust yer legz first thing
asciilifeform: so then.
mircea_popescu: so then what!
asciilifeform: maresyev was not, imho, typical flyer. nor mircea_popescu's capo - typical shorty.
mircea_popescu: so why would you be ?
asciilifeform: dunno, ask all the other flyers who got shorter by a set of legs, why they did not become aces.
mircea_popescu: hence my "self justificatory nonsense" comment.
mircea_popescu: yes, but in the observation that X was exceptional is not included the proof that Y is not.
mircea_popescu: the point was, is shorty bar to performance. we find shorty is no bar to performace. other bars may and indeed do exist, sure. so worry about those.
asciilifeform: my observation was re 'does not per se negatively impact'.
asciilifeform: it sure as fuck impacts.
asciilifeform: (how many chicks will even consider a bloke shorter than self)
trinque: can't argue from general case to make comments about the exceptional
asciilifeform: maresyev was an ace, with, and without, legs.
mircea_popescu: most, fwiseen
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu would quite likely still be mircea_popescu if he were shorter by a cubit.
mircea_popescu: i won't consider short chicks ; at least in theory (though say chet was a shorty).
asciilifeform: kasparov can wipe the floor with a room full of handicap players.
mircea_popescu: the only magic trick in all this is, how is speaker viewing self. if speaker has already decided is not exceptional ; then argument "shorty was exceptional - i'm not" can be brought ; but obviously the heuristic indicates the problem's somewhere else ; if however speaker hasn't made such decision, then the argument can't be logically brought. and we know whether speaker has or hasn't made such a decision by whether he brings
mircea_popescu: or doesn't bring argument.
mircea_popescu: THIS is female logic, not "how tall is he"
asciilifeform: well, the 'female logic' is in penning a 'why my life sucked' screed to begin with, neh ?
mircea_popescu: i meant "female logic" in the sense of "how does she magically wiff out the loser".
mircea_popescu: it's not magic ; loser tells.
asciilifeform: losing is also cumulative.
mircea_popescu: is pederasty cumulative ?
asciilifeform: quite possibly
mircea_popescu: then maybe.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528134 << http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-22#1172563 << mentioned here but probably in reference to the logs sought
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 01:43 mircea_popescu: so anyone recall the spot in the logs many years ago where i explained to iirc trinque that the great sex mutation was most likely driven by the introduction of speech ?
a111: Logged on 2015-06-22 20:01 mircea_popescu: there is a deep link between sex and communication, not least of all because sex is the communication of biological material.
mircea_popescu: win! tyvm!
mircea_popescu: well yeah this is not it, but it will work jus' fine.
asciilifeform: by the time you can tell 'luser' from a hallway's length away, fella prolly has 20 years of radiation damage .
mircea_popescu: not to mention that now that we talk about it, scholar of the future has a way to know what to dig for.
asciilifeform: the 'entomological pieces' are of interest re how it begins
mircea_popescu: because references everywhere! that phf added hand thing was geniusz
asciilifeform: (is it from first fight in kindergarten ?)
mircea_popescu: from experience as well as harem consensus, the data in question is obtained EXACTLY in the manner of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528139
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 01:49 asciilifeform: for ip in `curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" | cut -d' ' -f23`; do nc -w 5 $ip 22 ; done
mircea_popescu: ie, "ask, he'll tell."
mircea_popescu: o, speaking of which, perhaps the best fucking ever pua in action, lemme fish out the link
asciilifeform: speaking of which, holy FUCK is the 'netcat simply IGNORES timeout' thing frustrating
asciilifeform: who writes like this.
asciilifeform: and why
asciilifeform: the '-w 5' does NOTHING
mircea_popescu: (last one's actually his gf, has a bitch of a time trying to not laugh. because it's fucking impossible with the idiot.)
asciilifeform: ok, now we're cooking :
asciilifeform: for ip in `curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" |cut -d' ' -f23`; do timeout -k 0m 3s nc $ip 22 ; done
asciilifeform: ^ sends sigkill to idiot netcat after 3s
mircea_popescu: look at alf, following the unix way, so adorb
mircea_popescu: now you gotta code a watcher to restart your script
trinque triggered!1!
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: seems pretty diverse.
trinque: neat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phuctor is as it is so that i could do this, since day1
mircea_popescu: sarge look at that.
asciilifeform: NOW, for the record:
asciilifeform: 7 SSH-1.99-DOPRA-1.5
asciilifeform: 6 SSH-1.99-HUAWEI-1.5
asciilifeform: 5 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
asciilifeform: 3 SSH-2.0-AudioCodes
asciilifeform: 3 SSH-1.99-Comware-5.20
asciilifeform: 2 SSH-2.0-ROSSSH
asciilifeform: 1 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u3
asciilifeform: 1 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u2
asciilifeform: 1 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4
asciilifeform: left column is count.
asciilifeform: ( sort phuked | uniq -c | sort -r for the curious )
asciilifeform: 'Comware is an industry-leading provider of network security solutions including products, professional services, and implementation. Our elite team of experts ....'
asciilifeform: ahahahahahahahaha
asciilifeform falls down.
asciilifeform: competes, apparently, with cisco et al.
asciilifeform: now what's dopra:
asciilifeform: 'As an open source project, the Yocto Project operates with a hierarchical governance structure based on meritocracy and managed by its chief architect, Richard Purdie, a Linux Foundation fellow. This enables the project to remain independent of any one of its member organizations, who participate in various ways and provide resources to the project.'
asciilifeform: huawei needs no introduction.
asciilifeform: 'rosssh' is well-known lulcow,
asciilifeform: ;;google rosssh
gribble: Mikrotik RouterOS sshd ( ROSSSH ) - Remote Preauth Heap Corruption: <https://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/28056/>; Mikrotik RouterOS 5.* and 6.* sshd remote preauth heap corruption ...: <https://kingcope.wordpress.com/2013/09/02/mikrotik-routeros-5-and-6-sshd-remote-preauth-heap-corruption/>; ROS/NetworkSetup - ROS Wiki: <http://wiki.ros.org/ROS/NetworkSetup>
asciilifeform: ^1st hit.
asciilifeform: what's 'audiocodes' ..?
asciilifeform: 'AudioCodes designs, develops and sells advanced VoIP and data networking products and communications applications for service providers and enterprises.'
asciilifeform: 'AudioCodes' international headquarters and R&D facilities are located in Israel, with branch offices in United States, France, Germany, The Netherlands, Italy, UK, China, India, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico.'
asciilifeform: NOW remember folks, this NEVERHAPPPPPPPENEED!1111
trinque: another one of those got brutally pwnd recently.
trinque: $google obihai seclists
trinque: fuuuuu
deedbot: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2016/Aug/111 << Full Disclosure: ObiHai ObiPhone - Multiple Vulnerabilities | https://vuldb.com/de/?id.90922 << ObiHai ObiPhone 1032/ObiPhone 1062 vor 5.0.0 Build 3497 URL ... | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/ << Full Disclosure Mailing List
trinque: there we go
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nearest, i think, would be BingoBoingo . << But apparently you have odd impressions of middle west. Love Chicago, the worst Middle West has to offer and refuse to give rest of it the time of day.
trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel seems foolish to be doing so much work on mcclim without maintaining a presence here.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: vps can be had for 5/mo; presumably you're still eating during this vagabond phase
asciilifeform: sooo mircea_popescu , how many 'dominations of the vertical and the horizontal' did we just spoodge into the faces of here ?
asciilifeform: hp/comware, yokto, mikrotik, ...
asciilifeform: audiowhateverthefuck,
asciilifeform: ... debian? ( though if i had to guess, i'd guess these were nailed by something else )
asciilifeform: i can hardly wait for the hanno boeck post.
asciilifeform: the pigfucker reads the logz, yes.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-24 02:43 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nearest, i think, would be BingoBoingo . << But apparently you have odd impressions of middle west. Love Chicago, the worst Middle West has to offer and refuse to give rest of it the time of day.
asciilifeform: lolmart country - not so much.
BingoBoingo: What's wrong with the 1890's buildings in East St Louis?
asciilifeform: cannot comment, haven't yet seen'em
asciilifeform: but chicago figures prominently in the usa of my childhood bootleg vhs tapes, and st louis - does not.
trinque: there was lolmart even in san jose this weekend.
trinque: and a smattering of american fast food. I was surprised how much.
asciilifeform: 'there was lolmart' != 'lolmart country'.
trinque: saw plenty of obeasts there. it's spreading.
trinque: "no es un pais pobre" is not solely argentine
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah not talking about St Louis, but East St Louis. North St Louis also has substantial 1890's buildings
asciilifeform: i saw ~0 in chicago, but admittedly i was not searching for'em
mircea_popescu: trinque it's cheap. eating on budget more and more of a problem.
trinque: mircea_popescu: speaking of coping with poverty, saw a guy selling ring pops in the middle of the road. guy on a motorcycle paid him and immediately popped in his mouth.
trinque: I'm curious what drug that might've been
trinque: wasn't so curious to buy one :p
mircea_popescu: how fast was motorcycle going :D
trinque: lol, costa rican fast
trinque: so say 50kph
mircea_popescu: what drugs do you ingest in broad daylight on a bike anyway. sugar ?
mircea_popescu: guy prolly bought a caramel.
trinque: girl with me thought it was as innocent as that.
trinque: snore
asciilifeform: gentlemen: any among you happen to own one of the 'stars' of the tard-ssh round-up ?
asciilifeform: the routers
asciilifeform: we have here evidence of at least four undiscovered l0ldays...
mircea_popescu: nfi who the fuck even buys that sort of thing ; half the names i never heard of befoar.
mircea_popescu: anyway, do publish, your blog gets too little material as it is.
asciilifeform: same folks who buy cisco, juniper, huawei (which incidentally...)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sample is pathetically small yet.
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