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mats: nobody has even mentioned slavery yet
mircea_popescu: since for some reason we're doing home of the slaves & land of the cowardly discovery : " The Jimmy Ryce Act (Jimmy Ryce Involuntary Civil Commitment for Sexually Violent Predators' Treatment And Care Act) was passed unanimously by the Florida legislature and was signed by Governor Lawton Chiles on May 19, 1998, becoming effective on January 1, 1999. The act calls for inmates with sex offense histories to be reviewed by the F
mircea_popescu: lorida Department of Corrections, the Florida Department of Children and Families (DCF), and state attorneys to determine the level of risk for re-offense. Upon release from incarceration, these inmates may be subject to civil proceedings and commitment to a secure facility for treatment. That treatment center, located in Arcadia, was criticized because treatment is lacking (less than 5 hours per week), it lacks security (sev
mircea_popescu: eral incidents of murder on site, riots requiring hundreds of officers to quell) there is no method of restoring civil liberties (the program has no release stage) being underfunded, understaffed and located in an old condemned correctional facility."
mircea_popescu: oh shit, sorry mats .
mats: nice
mats: 10/10 timing
mircea_popescu: 10/10 unintentional also.
asciilifeform: serviceable enforcement..??
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, like the dudes that bought up argentina's debt at 2 cents to the dollar, proceeded to have the idiots for some reason respond tgo suit in us court, and have us judge opine as if anyone asked him anything.
mircea_popescu: "buttfun-ex owes me fiddy billion because i spent 839 kr to buy up its scamtokens"
asciilifeform: iirc they confiscated a boat and even this raised a stink and ultimately nothing happened
mircea_popescu: hey, not my fault usg doesn't work in practice
mircea_popescu: i was discussing the model, theoretically.
asciilifeform: goxcoin.
asciilifeform: shares of dead horse.
mircea_popescu: that never came to anything, did it.
asciilifeform: it came to idiots parting with money
asciilifeform: which was the object.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Imagine a corporation that engages in economic activity without guidance or direction from humans."
mircea_popescu: like porn, but for economy.
asciilifeform: i caaant wait for some buterinesque halfwit to bring hansen's 'futarchy' to shitcoin.
asciilifeform: $s futarchy
mircea_popescu: is this futa-archy ? ie, the japanese what were they, chicks with monstrous mammaries ?
asciilifeform: see logz.
mircea_popescu: ain't nobody got time for dat.
asciilifeform: it was an early instance of the robo-corporation idiocy.
asciilifeform: predates shitcoins even.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 18:18 asciilifeform: some derp named hanson was pushing a crackpottery called 'futarchy', where you have a bitbet-like item that is actually plugged into a robotic monarch that issues edicts
asciilifeform: wats this? hermaphrodite ?
mircea_popescu: no, futa.
asciilifeform: dafuq's that
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mythical creature
mircea_popescu: you know, futarchy ?
asciilifeform unfamiliar with subj.
mircea_popescu: o look, there's even an irc chan, #kryptoncoin
mats: ;;ud futanari
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DFutanari | Futanari. Someone(Usually in a doujinshi, but occasionally in normal fanfics or hentai), who appears to be female, but for some reason has male genatalia.
mircea_popescu: i'd say futa = deeply sexualized female, with monstrously large male genitals that violate basic physics (chiefly in that they can disappear under clothes, and don't need blood to function)
asciilifeform: telescopic!
mats: is a genuine human hermaphrodite even biologically possible?
asciilifeform: mats: typically from nondisjoined fraternal twins
mats: operational genitalia and all?
mircea_popescu: usually one set works, the other doesn't.
mircea_popescu: both functional is usually as alf says, chimera.
mircea_popescu: there's also chemical imbalances of various sorts, it's not entirely well understood.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that most folks will live and die without ever meeting one
BingoBoingo: Don't worry though at this year's olympics there are 0 testosterone regulations on competing as women
asciilifeform: unless specifically set out to.
mircea_popescu: it's really not that rare.
mircea_popescu: $google nadar hermaphrodite photographs
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite_(Nadar) << Hermaphrodite (Nadar) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.luminous-lint.com/app/contents/fra/_photographer_nadar_hermaphrodite_01/ << Nadar: Hermaphrodite | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16490032 << Early photo-illustration of a hermaphrodite by the French ...
BingoBoingo wonders if ISIS version of dependapotamus if Hijjabba the Hutt
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sorta contradiction, neh?
asciilifeform: submarine with screen door.
mircea_popescu: no ?! obesity is prevalent enough in traditional muslim society.
mircea_popescu: plenty of force-fed girlies among the beduins, etc.
BingoBoingo: Like futa, we can build it! Start with conjoined twins and substantial donor blood for revision surgery.
asciilifeform: why the fuck would islamic patriarch keep 'obeast' around?
asciilifeform: unless he specifically is fetishist of such a thing
BingoBoingo: Same reason they keep Giraffe and other non-functional pets.
mircea_popescu: they are, from experience.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've seen a woman over 50 that wasn't over 30bmi in my entire time among teh muslims, actually.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what counts, for the purpose of this observation, as 'obese' ?
mircea_popescu: perhaps forcing a point. but there's this very typical balabusta look.
mircea_popescu: you'd think they're all secretly ultraorthodox jooz.
mircea_popescu: (which, of course, they are.)
asciilifeform: well, in the way bat is a bird.
mircea_popescu: more like in the way ancient transparent trylobite sealed in a cave since 2mn years ago is a mollusc.
mircea_popescu: anyway. re hermaphroditism thing : it's actually much more common in embryos ; generally get aborted before end of 1st trimester.
asciilifeform: lotsa lulz common in these.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall what it was for "true" hermaphroditism in "average" population, maybe 20 or somesuch ppm ?
asciilifeform: somewhere there.
mircea_popescu: which you know, is ~same as "really hot woman" and ~100x more than "great soccer player" etc.
mircea_popescu: "more common than us presidents" let's put it that way.
jurov: we're coming close, if hilary wins, we'll have fuparchy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh the woman's nuts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unlike, e.g., dragos bios, there are no physical contradictions in the linked piece
mircea_popescu: you ever worked with lasers ?
asciilifeform: and this is the first case i learned of where victim owned measuring equipment of whatever sort.
asciilifeform: laser...
asciilifeform: that part is odd.
mircea_popescu: i have, and saw enough burns. that patch of skin was welted by application of a cane, not fucking "laser"
mircea_popescu: this is no small matter : mechanical oscillation is just as much oscillation as lightwave.
mircea_popescu: and i can just as you can measure the wavelength of the generator on the basis of the mark left behind eh.
asciilifeform: yeah i have nfi how to create this mark with laser. even at firing squad range,
mircea_popescu: that laser was doing ~12 hz.
asciilifeform: incidentally asciilifeform just now woke up from interesting dream where he visited some handle-like usg figure's house that featured a handy platform for 'executing spies', complete with stone chair, manacles, barbecue pit, audience stands
mircea_popescu: not a bad dream.
asciilifeform: it was very much in character, somehow, with the mental image the 'patrioty', more backwoodsy usg types appear to have of themselves.
asciilifeform: the ones with the decorative 'terrorist hunting license' on the pickup trux.
asciilifeform: i am inclined to believe that some of the allegations not pertaining to death rays are true. психушка is indeed a thing in usaschwitz.
asciilifeform: (where they work on victim's weaknesses and ignorance, and actually do a fine job of inducing degree of madness)
asciilifeform: and, incidentally, microwave illuminators for audio bugs, as invented by leo thermen, still in use today worldwide.
mircea_popescu: but in this case the alleged psykushka kicked her out.
asciilifeform: and may handily account for some of the 'death ray' tales.
mircea_popescu: it is true the us uses "medicine" to wash its hands on social problems, ballas has well explained this, article is cached on trilema
asciilifeform: those'd be other problems.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, like any strained mechanism supposed to do one thing in theory and another in practice, the practitioners aren't too keen
mircea_popescu: and so often the sherriff goes "here's a load of items of the right type - we don't know what else to do with them" and the psych ward lead goes "fu bitch, none of these belong here take them out"
mircea_popescu: leaving the sherriff puzzled... "in training they told us to dump here evertything we don't know how to otherwise process. wtf ?!"
mircea_popescu: and on the other score : the weak and the ignorant are mad and have no excuse. i don't mean no excuse to mistake. i mean no excuse to be.
asciilifeform: let's cut in another direction. say, not my house (which is studiously ignored even by pigeons, i have nfi) but... e.g., BingoBoingo's - he picks up microwave background, thick enough that birds are dropping. gets rf burns when touching conductors (as i suspect that chick got in the photo)
asciilifeform: what's the recommended answer ?
mircea_popescu: nah, he touched conductors... with her thigh ? wut ?
asciilifeform: idk, iron dildo?
mircea_popescu: the recommended answer will be an array of assays. "get ye so and so item from amazon and do so and so with it"
asciilifeform: well yes, chick also had toolbox
asciilifeform: then what.
mircea_popescu: then do something other than post a billion pics of anon people sitting in room and ONE clearly mislabeled item
mircea_popescu: post some actual proof.
asciilifeform: if complain to official organs - we already know where train goes.
mircea_popescu: set up go-pro system to watch live set-up and dump it online
mircea_popescu: science be science.
asciilifeform: dump what? pics of trees?
mircea_popescu: and ftr, if i one day ran into aliens, i would similarly not report it to the closest police preceinct
mircea_popescu: this because i'm not "a citizen" aka consumjer aka idiot, but one of those elite folks to whom law doesn't apply and to whom the police are a tool not an entity.
asciilifeform: it is trivial to illuminate a house from several 100 m, through another's property line, or from parked vehicles
mircea_popescu: consequently i don't give them to solve problems they're not there to solve.
mircea_popescu: nah, pics of your detectors in action.
asciilifeform: well yes, i grasp that mircea_popescu would have the perp's safehouse broken into and the screaming operator dragged out, tied to a plank, etc
mircea_popescu: makea a blog, call it "joe and katy's radioastronomy garage lab". post the weirdo data live, let people come visit...
asciilifeform: sorta what was linked, neh?
mircea_popescu: what was linked was a sort of scrapbook, much alike what a "our wedding" album would look in the hands of a deranged housewife.
mircea_popescu: her fucking parents ? are you kidding me ?
asciilifeform: limited mental wattage, yes.
asciilifeform: but basic principle... yes, operator will turn off the machine if neutral third party comes to visit
asciilifeform: then go and prove worth a shit.
mircea_popescu: third party comes to visit to see how the detectors are wired
mircea_popescu: not that they report something noteworthy as the visit progresses.
asciilifeform: betcha this has been done, by one or more, and dismissed as schizo.
mircea_popescu: link plox
asciilifeform: because it so well patternmatches schizo.
mircea_popescu: i dont see that it does.
asciilifeform: hey if i had link, would post.
mircea_popescu: so then. there's no excuse for not having blog, for not being in wot, for etc.
mircea_popescu: "oh, i could have" fuck you. do or die.
asciilifeform: this, yes.
mircea_popescu: note that this woman dun have something dragos roua did have
mircea_popescu: ie, "who the fuck is she".
asciilifeform: ex-bureaucrat, claims
mircea_popescu: literally, i see no difference between this idiot and the used up party-hos with the "ambassador" blabla crowding out paetraeus
mircea_popescu: yeah, ex office cocksucker that had to be let go over her idiotic trying to compete with other office cocksucker in any other way than cocksucking.
asciilifeform: bit old for a cockeress, neh?
mircea_popescu: hence her anger.
asciilifeform can picture this.
shinohai: ;;bc,stats
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mircea_popescu: she says as much.
asciilifeform: but 'They (NSA) apparently targeted me to warn me off or punish me for having my lawyer subpoena–in February 2015–corroborating information on the identity and existence of Eric Hagemann, a now retired NSA executive who had broken into my home and bugged it illegally because I had filed the IG complaint against one of his buddies.' is testable claim, no?
mircea_popescu: the pics of the bugs are missing.
asciilifeform: where are the bugs.
mircea_popescu: that's how a sane person structures this claim. "i am in possession of the electronics here documented. i got them because X tried to bug my house. feel free to come up with alternative explanation"
mircea_popescu: ie, EXACTLY how the miner collusion item worked.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is still waiting to buy a 'GODSURGE' !1111 h
mircea_popescu: yes, there will be a chorus of "ononononon", and you just behead the lot.
mircea_popescu: very simple and, more importantly, quite sound.
asciilifeform: incidentally the last time his happened, iirc, the victim ended up with a gag order and costly legal bill
asciilifeform: ( it was a car tracker )
asciilifeform: but we got to see what said bug looked like.
mircea_popescu: send it to me, i;ll publish it.
mircea_popescu: but you see the difference between this and that. it's marked.
asciilifeform: was it old logz, will dig.
mircea_popescu: fucking parents pictures ffs.
asciilifeform: and yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i meant, if the woman had it and is affraid of publishing it.
asciilifeform: i will be sure to link to this line should i ever encounter one of these folk alive.
asciilifeform: ( they never seem to show up here .... )
mircea_popescu: well, it's new.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, back 20 years ago, friend being pursued by especially insultingly incompetent "secret service" called in a hit on their car. boxed them in, got them out, beat the shit out of them, took them to police station as per tradition. police wouldn't make arrest, he berated them a good one. and left.
asciilifeform: sorta why in usa they shoot first, ask questions after.
mircea_popescu: at the time, possibly still today, secret service wasn't armed.
mircea_popescu: much like the ru iirc. pretty much everyone competent in the field eschews the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: wtf sort of secret agent operates infantry iron ?
asciilifeform: infantry ~support~
asciilifeform: american snoops typically have police cover of one kind or another,
asciilifeform: specifically against this scenario.
mircea_popescu: "typical cover" is exactly like "standard key"
mircea_popescu: point remains, a "secret agent" shooting is not unlike a "mathematician" doing finger-addition.
asciilifeform: i have nfi whether it is effective, for all i know snoop is being well-beaten just around the corner. i only know the procedures.
asciilifeform: but yes.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in theory it could happen.
asciilifeform: seeekrit folk in actual life dun usually shoot, except in self-defense
mircea_popescu: i can scarcely think of a situation where spook's odds are improved by shooting.
asciilifeform: paid hit contractor dun count, i suppose, as 'spook' ?
asciilifeform: for this observation
mircea_popescu: well, trained dog dun count as mathematician ?
asciilifeform: counts as sapper!111
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, someone who is qualified in their chosen profession.
mircea_popescu: so it turns out upon examination that it's not as much "us snoop has police cover" ; but rather that "some police grunts are deluded into thinking themselves snoops to accept lower paychecks"
asciilifeform: we also know that exceptionally-deserving lucky folk get handled by private contractors (as i'm certain m. hastings was)
asciilifeform: and not by police of any description.
asciilifeform: 'academe', 'craft international' et al.
asciilifeform: plus independents.
thestringpuller: for posterity in chan: "Second, most companies in the digital currency space are not profitable right now. Coinbase is not" - Brian Armstrong
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha-HAGHAHAHAHAHA
mircea_popescu: back when mp was saying this while mpex was a public company, the idiots knew better.
mircea_popescu: now that it's private, nothing's to keep the dickface from admitting it. hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: the "public" deserves everything it gets. long and hard.
asciilifeform: since when is there even a 'the public' ? i thought there were only individual chumps..
mircea_popescu: since they pretend to have a state.
thestringpuller: http://archive.is/USut2 << archived for posterity
phf: "the public" is what you say when you're talking trash, while periodically glancing back to check if there's somebody to back you up.
danielpbarron: ;;ticker --market all
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516511 << Hey, I have very popular bird feeder
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 14:40 asciilifeform: let's cut in another direction. say, not my house (which is studiously ignored even by pigeons, i have nfi) but... e.g., BingoBoingo's - he picks up microwave background, thick enough that birds are dropping. gets rf burns when touching conductors (as i suspect that chick got in the photo)
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thestringpuller: "Customers have shown an incredible willingness to pay for the service we've created because there is demand for it, and they recognize that this will help digital currency be more successful." << I love the denial. There is overwhelming hatred from the over regulation. Coinbase is just another fiat institution.
mircea_popescu: specifically in 2013 MPEx gave a sort of soft ultimatum to the public : either you rally behind us, and push the world into the future, or you rally behind either of these two options and get raped.
asciilifeform: 'We spend a lot of money on things like security audits, compliance, understanding the laws of each country where we operate, obtaining regulatory licenses around the world, great engineering, and many more mundane areas like lunches for employees (there is a competitive market to hire the best people out there).' << gold.
mircea_popescu: the public, as then predicted, picked the most rape per unit work.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: were you surprised. Given CDO et. al.?!?!?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah i dunno what is more hated by the noobs on the margin of btc than coinbase.
thestringpuller: it will take years to deprogram the eternal september
mircea_popescu: literally, they're responsible for the largest count of marginal people - people who could have gone in, and ensured their future, but didn't.
thestringpuller: meanwhile as asciilifeform says, build walls let zombies eat each other
mircea_popescu: they're the equivalent of a guy that sits with a baseball bat in front of hospital and chases the elderly, the infirm and the disabled away.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 'eternal septembers' are never deprogrammed, they are encasketed, like nuke waste
mircea_popescu: then turns around and claims "the willingness to pay" is somehow indicative of... how loved he is ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: sue me for liking to sugar coat things. my fragile subconscious is not used to this new wasteland we are living in
mircea_popescu: and totally neglects the fact that most of the hospital's business comes in the shape of dudes that show up in unmarked vans, tie him to a wall and fuck him in the ass while loading/unloading patients.
phf: sort of definition of eternal september, since before "eternal" septembrists were deprogrammed by forced communal reeducation. "read the logs, etc."
mircea_popescu: phf no but they're "busy" with "their business". as if there could be a fucking business.
mircea_popescu: "i'm too busy doing accounting to learn addition"
thestringpuller: phf: this is as asciilifeform says throwing nuke waste into caskets and firing it into the sun
thestringpuller: takes great amounts of effort to do it right (tm)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: show up in unmarked vans << funny how i know plenty of money launderers who use coinbase.
shinohai: i lol'd because how quickly their position changed on ETC
shinohai: Sure we can do that
thestringpuller: ether huffing is sustainable until people are so brain dead their bodies stop working
thestringpuller: reminds me of some neuromancer shit.
phf: thestringpuller: there's a limited number of cultural references for these people. that's why all the conspiracy theory youtube videos use that one track from the matrix when they need to lay down "truth" etc.
mircea_popescu: more generally, the dysfunctional brain is by definition limited.
mircea_popescu: which is also why nutty woman accidentally admits she's been pushing this nonsense ever since trhe 80s, and puts her parents (ie, authority figure) in the amulet.
phf: vampire doctor is my favorite..
mircea_popescu: whitch one was that ?
phf: it's the main character in this strip, the one that always dispenses kooky medical advise
mircea_popescu: the rogue chick ? yea she might be the best character in oglafverse
mircea_popescu: imo her best is the fabled "evadam sau ne futem ?" "fuff. mai fimflu"
phf: she needs a video game, a whacky take on Thief series
mircea_popescu: (do we fuck or escape ? fuck. easier.)
phf: hehe
mircea_popescu: nah, she needs a video game, a remake of planescape : torment.
mircea_popescu: ideally something made by gilliam.
phf: get avellone and spitzley to design & program
phf: that would be a righteous project to fund, it'll burn thousands of btc and the crumble under its own weight. "featuring in game cinematics by alexandro jodorowski"
mircea_popescu: jaromil jires, rather.
BingoBoingo: In other news, Russia was banned from the parolympics
phf: i've never seen, but but valerie and her week of wonders looks fun..
mircea_popescu: yeh try it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: them cripples not crippled enough or wat was it ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cripples need too much dope!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, "putin this or that ore the other". because it's not about the cripples, paralympics is like paralitics, ie politics-something
asciilifeform: lel, it is almost 1980 again
phf: with a modern PC twist
mircea_popescu: ie, exactly the same.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 15:54 mircea_popescu: more generally, the dysfunctional brain is by definition limited.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 15:54 mircea_popescu: more generally, the dysfunctional brain is by definition limited.
phf: hmm
asciilifeform: hey where'd the 2nd line come from
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 15:55 mircea_popescu: which is also why nutty woman accidentally admits she's been pushing this nonsense ever since trhe 80s, and puts her parents (ie, authority figure) in the amulet.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 15:55 mircea_popescu: which is also why nutty woman accidentally admits she's been pushing this nonsense ever since trhe 80s, and puts her parents (ie, authority figure) in the amulet.
phf: i broke a thing
mircea_popescu: lol. phf made redundancy
phf: making sure those messages always come through
mircea_popescu: "i had a nut, but then i eted it. then i eted it. then iiiiii"
mircea_popescu: awww. even rabbit log can die but once.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 16:12 phf: i broke a thing
phf: downsides of patching live process, one definition got updated, another one is sitting somewhere on stack
phf: $seen mircea_popescu
a111: 2016-08-07 <mircea_popescu> awww. even rabbit log can die but once.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where was the 'since 1980s' bit ?
deedbot: [Daniel P. Barron] Until it isn’t. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/until-it-isnt/
mircea_popescu: grep for "wavies", a term i didn't see before, she halfmouthedly admits it.
asciilifeform: 'Julianne McKinney reports that back in the 1980s and 1990s, persons complaining of electronic harassment were dismissed as “wavies,” and the government took the position that electronic weapons simply did not exist. The government no longer takes this position, she notes, but the “wavies” of yore are still a threat, apparently, so propaganda pieces alleging mental illness are now the preferred mode of attempted discrediting
asciilifeform: . (Julianne McKinney reports extensive experience with this during the 1980s and 1990s.)'
mircea_popescu: ah it was a different someone ?
asciilifeform: 'Julianne McKinney, former Army Intelligence officer, Director of the Electronic Surveillance Project, a sub-group of the Association of National Security Alumni, and author of...'
asciilifeform has nfi re claimed affiliation of subj
mircea_popescu: kay then.
mircea_popescu: i skimmed.
asciilifeform: for extra lulz, i dug into the 'trifield meter' pictured in linked piece. it appears to be from the 'madness market' segment discussed in the em shielding blanket thread...
asciilifeform: hell knows how calibrated, or whether, or what is even in the box.
mircea_popescu: it's not directly apparent what "trifield" would mean.
mircea_popescu: ah brand name.
mircea_popescu: error 404, from hostgator.
mircea_popescu: unimpressed ?
asciilifeform: and it is not difficult to see some obvious wtf (srsly, ONE pocket-sized antenna, for all freq. ??)
mircea_popescu: wait it measures electric and magnetic field ? how ?
mircea_popescu: and why the fuck pay these derps 50 bux instead of just plugging a ten mile long cable into some capacitors and pipe to serial connector on pc.
mircea_popescu: $up shi_
deedbot: shi_ voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: linked item is not a recommendation for purchase... but demo of 'madness market', we had thread
a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 04:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
asciilifeform: there is, apparently, whole 'parallel world' of junky 'measurement tools'
asciilifeform: purchased by nobody other than 'wavies'
asciilifeform: who never, afaik, once got a hold of, e.g., a used 'fluke' field strength meter, or any other adult toy.
mircea_popescu: it's mindboggling poor dersign. so for one thing, the measurement mechanism for magnetic is liable to influence measurements for electric and vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: for the other thing, how do i make sure i don't burn this item, since apparently the same needle responds to 3 unrelated things ?
asciilifeform: i bring it up because this is somehow, at least in my mind, eerily analogous to the 'legal remedies' crackpottery portrayed in mircea_popescu's 'sops of government clerks' piece
asciilifeform: same type of folks, who carefully avoid actual probe in favour of... strange placebo
mircea_popescu: maybe we should introduce official tmsr rf measurement tools for environment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is no question that it is poor design, you would never encounter such a thing even in undergrad lab
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how anyone expects to be taken seriously without bundle of coax clearly visible.
mircea_popescu: he's "measuring" ? really ?
mircea_popescu: why not go all out measure in tip of penis.
asciilifeform: the interesting thing is that these tools 'work', no doubt arrow moves when you bring it up to working pnoje, etc. and this is 'works' per the lights of the target market.
mircea_popescu: fucking chicken cooksl when you bring it next to smartphone
mircea_popescu: wasn't there yourtube with popping corn etc ?
mircea_popescu: $google cellphone popping corn youtube
deedbot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V94shlqPlSI << Pop corn with cell phones - YouTube | http://www.wired.com/2008/06/cellphones-cant/ << Physicist Debunks Cellphone Popcorn Viral Videos | WIRED | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqIZDIxJgXw << Cell Phone Radiation Pops Popcorn - YouTube
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc creator of film confessed to flimflammery.
mircea_popescu: "by the lights of target market"
asciilifeform: ah well yes.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly honest, a lot of your "oh, cern is not needed" is inseparable in my mind from "oh why should i spend the 50 on buying cable for antenna, not needed".
mircea_popescu: in ~every serious measuring effort, the antenna is more trouble than the collectors.
asciilifeform: do not conflate surgeon and jack the ripper.
asciilifeform: yes, both - cut.
asciilifeform: and even the humblest hobbyist spent, -- ask any -- obscene sums on antennae
mircea_popescu: well apparently not this woman.
asciilifeform: apparently.
mircea_popescu: she bought a cane and thought it's a laser and bought a funbox and thought it's a measurement tool.
asciilifeform: also for some reason i inevitably think of the legendary savages who 'died of voodoo' when prompted
mircea_popescu: this may well be more of the "cannibals" priestly fantasy.
asciilifeform: possibly, or rooted in fact, placebocin is strong medicine.
asciilifeform: 'Is Placebocin paradise, Erehwon, Shangri-La, utopia, Eden, and heaven all in a tiny gelatin capsule? Is Placebocin a T-3 fiberoptic Gigabit Ethernet connection to the Net? Is there anything that Placebocin cannot cure?'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what makes you think it was him ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: following TaT's evolution of his personal branding on twitter following his long walk
asciilifeform: iirc he fell in with gavin et al
BingoBoingo: He fell in with some obeast organization "whaleclub" or something sure. No idea about gavinotronic ties.
davout: ohai
asciilifeform: davout !
mircea_popescu: how's paris
asciilifeform: how sing the minarets of sunny al-paris today, davout ?
davout: paris is approximately 9000 km away
davout: from my current position
asciilifeform: escaped ?
davout: figured moving to the south wasn't enough, so i've settled on mauritius
mircea_popescu: with the woman ?!
davout: yeah
davout: yeah
mircea_popescu: with the horses ?
davout: she wanted to, but no
asciilifeform: meet any pirates yet ?
davout: no, but i can't wait!
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
asciilifeform takes off hat
davout: yeah, i'm waiting a few months to see if i actually like it here
mircea_popescu: is that what, a french possession ? independent ?
davout: iirc it used to be dutch, then french, then british, then independent
davout: so it's kind of weird, everything official is in english, but usual conversation is either in french, or in creole
mircea_popescu: aha. nb.
mircea_popescu: how's re prices ?
davout: cars are heavily taxed, the rest is okay i guess, depends obviously on whether you insist on buying the exact same stuff as at home or if you're ok going the local way
davout: from what i've seen a cleaning lady costs like 4 or 5 times less than in france, but the rest isn't *that* cheaper
asciilifeform: davout: how's the bandwidth ?
davout: asciilifeform: excellent, they're deploying fiber pretty much everywhere
davout: cars are horribly expensive though
davout: they're like ridiculously taxed for some reason
davout: and they drive on the left side of the road
mircea_popescu: davout i meant real estate
mircea_popescu: no cars i kinda like, actually. besides, it's an island.
davout: mircea_popescu: it's pretty good from what i've seen
davout: i'm renting a 3 bedroom house, with a pool, for like the ~750 eur/month
mircea_popescu: that is pretty good.
mircea_popescu: 3 year ? or ?
davout: i'm staying one year at least, more if i like it, or were you asking about the lease?
mircea_popescu: yeah, about the lease.
davout: one year, i can leave with 2 month notice
asciilifeform: that price is brain-meltingly, 'baltimore'-cheap
davout: so far it seems like a pretty peaceful place, compare the stuff that makes the newspaper to what does in yurp: http://www.lexpress.mu/article/286927/quatre-bornes-pradeep-roopun-porte-plainte-pour-vol-legumes
mircea_popescu: course... kinda close to the us base
davout: diego garcia?
asciilifeform: iirc it has 'territorial dispute' with the english also ?
davout: nfi
mircea_popescu: well the english sent the natives off an island, rented it to the us
mircea_popescu: 1% heroin prevalence check that out.
asciilifeform: is this > or < than in usa
davout: sounds like a lot to me
asciilifeform: <, iirc, than usa circa early 1900s
asciilifeform: but nfi re today
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform us as well as most "sane" places are in the 0.1 range
davout: drugs seem to be a big deal there
davout: repression-wise especially
davout: apparently cigarette rolling paper is illegal here
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: americans take synthetic opium of 1,01 types, add'em up, get quite likely more than 1%.
asciilifeform: low-tech orcs - yes, shoot smack
mircea_popescu: apparently it's brown sugar.
mircea_popescu: anyway - they also ~all smoke pot. which is the fucking nuttery of the age, you should see the ba derps.
mircea_popescu: instead of burning the city down, the she-cows huddle around with their mothers throughout adolescence, dressed in retard apparel ; while the he-cows smoke immense amounts of pot and wash it down with gallons of mate.
asciilifeform: matte isn't even psychotronic, is it
mircea_popescu: it is, uselessly so. like khat.
davout: mircea_popescu: when i was in bsas i could pretty much smell pot on every corner of the street, here not even once, kinda surprising
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've never taken khat, what's it do ?
mircea_popescu: yeah im surprised there isn't pot smog over ba.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform makes you keep taking khat. ~nothing else.
asciilifeform: kinda like tobacco ?
mircea_popescu: nah, tobacco at least gives you cancer.
asciilifeform: khat isn't even tumorigenic?! SCAM!1111
mircea_popescu: khat is just this cud.
davout: kinda like tea!
asciilifeform: davout chews tea?!
davout: makes you want to drink more tea
mircea_popescu: does it ?
mircea_popescu: never felt the effect myself.
asciilifeform: what's ~in~ davou't tea..?
davout: lol no i don't chew tea! but when i don't smoke, i'm much more sensitive to coffee and drink tea instead
asciilifeform: davout: you missed a great dope thread.
asciilifeform: couplea days ago.
davout: i've only been reading qntra's executive summaries lately
davout: now that the gtfo of france is complete imma have more time, link to the thread?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-05 13:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-05#1515346 << cheapo honda engine sitting in traffic jam in wash dc also won't benefit from nitro fuel.
davout: it's pretty nice here, i hear frogs and can actually see the stars!
davout: tyu
davout: *ty
mircea_popescu: reminds me of my place next to timisoara.
asciilifeform has abundant frogs, stars, here.
asciilifeform: other wildlife, also.
asciilifeform: right now it appears to be peak dragonfly season.
davout: asciilifeform: shut up, i saw a fucking monkey today
asciilifeform: davout: neato
asciilifeform: the kind that trashes houses in india ?
davout: i thought you lived in the suburbs of washington dc?
asciilifeform: davout: i do
asciilifeform: davout: in places, they are quite sparsely populated.
davout: nah, i was driving through some forest, it just crossed the road
davout: not like the kind that'll steal your photo camera if you don't pay attention
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from the alleged tat blog: 'I had a chat with Bruce Fenton, of the Bitcoin Foundation, where I thanked him for representing Bitcoin well in his television interviews, as the media swarmed around the Craig Wright announcements yesterday. While we have many things to criticize the Foundation for, and Bruce himself in some regards, I was tipsy enough to realize that we can’t just keep writing off their efforts, and that i
asciilifeform: t would be much better to find ways to get better communicate with the Foundation so we can stay on the same page. It’s not going to be easy for the Foundation to repair its image with the Bitcoin community, but they seem intent on trying.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i quit reading after that.
asciilifeform: (may 3, 2016.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, leavers gonna join
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lel, 'deadman key' to what? to 'insurance' parcel that was posted nowhere ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: NFI, If existed probably grave error of trusting it to the evil Greenvald was made
asciilifeform: to continue associating with greenwald et al after the demise of the fella who leaked the catalogue ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-27#1073554 etc ) he has to be a) idiot b) shill
a111: Logged on 2015-03-27 01:04 asciilifeform: i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death'
asciilifeform: there is no (c).
BingoBoingo: c) Hostage!
asciilifeform: that goes under (b)
BingoBoingo: Fine (b)(1)(a)
mats: eh? the walk in got killed?
mircea_popescu: davout> asciilifeform: shut up, i saw a fucking monkey today << i assume he means this literally.
mircea_popescu: o jesus, don't tell me the new bitbet management decided to you know, eschew bitcoin-handling problems by... holding their money over at bitfinex.
davout: doubtful, but would be lulzy nonetheless
deedbot: [Trilema] Eulora, that chiffré land of cifre & cyphers - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-that-chiffre-land-of-cifre-cyphers/
hanbot: so in V99995 testing, it'd seem the asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is "invalid", i imagine 'cause of something to do with stan's old key? and deedbot only spits the current, which i have. i don't see the old one on btcalpha either, anyone have an idea fo' me?
hanbot: asciilifeform ^
hanbot: possibly shinohai also ran into this?
shinohai: hanbot: i simply changed the hash to match :P
shinohai: not ideal ik
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "not ideal" lmao!
hanbot: err lol
asciilifeform: hanbot: my original v came with a key that had a since-expired date.
asciilifeform: $key asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ^ current.
asciilifeform: also at www.loper-os.org/pgp.asc
asciilifeform: also available from buncha folks, e.g., mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516894 << holy FUQ shinohai do you also use a hammer when vga plug won't fit into keyboard jack ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 18:29 shinohai: hanbot: i simply changed the hash to match :P
shinohai: but evidently i have old key because i dont require hammer when building
mod6: mine seems to do fine, i've got this key: pub 2048R/B98228A001ABFFC7 2012-12-20 [expires: 2017-01-04]
asciilifeform: this is the correct key mod6 .
asciilifeform: (and they all have same fp.)
mod6: anyway, im putting in an entire new sink etc. so ive got my hands full atm.
mod6: will check back in later.
mod6: in reality, we want to test V99994 and see how that behaves.
mod6: V99995 is about to be replaced
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516912 << i took apart cnc mill, now covered in ancient grease
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 19:53 mod6: anyway, im putting in an entire new sink etc. so ive got my hands full atm.
asciilifeform: (ripped off the old motors, cabling, misc crud)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 19:54 mod6: in reality, we want to test V99994 and see how that behaves.
ben_vulpes: hanbot: have you added that key to the default keyring on the box?
ben_vulpes: the autobuilder has three keys mentioned at the top that need to live in the keyring used when you run gpg -k
ben_vulpes: you can see that this is the issue you're running into if you run gpg --verify thinger.vpatch thinger.vpatch.sig (or w/e the inane order is)
ben_vulpes: if you're hitting this failure path, gpg will complain that it doesn't have stan's key
ben_vulpes: in other news i am taking babymomma on A DATE!!1
ben_vulpes: first time in months, in the midafternoon
ben_vulpes: parents are so boring
jurov: .sig always goes first
mircea_popescu: $key asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: is that it ^ ?
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516909 <<< this is what i have after check, no mod needed
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 19:27 mod6: mine seems to do fine, i've got this key: pub 2048R/B98228A001ABFFC7 2012-12-20 [expires: 2017-01-04]
shinohai: niiiice
shinohai: oh mircea_popescu chic from a few nights ago said thank you for the bitcoin, she loved it.
mircea_popescu: lol cool.
mircea_popescu: you know each other ?
shinohai: no i never met her before in m life.
shinohai: but she mysteriously shows up here pms me and leaves lol
mircea_popescu: lol seems you made a friend in colombia.
shinohai: she wants ou to come to show and i haz no pron tokens
shinohai: i need a larger pron budget
mircea_popescu: ftr buying camhos is even a worse deal than getting married.
shinohai: it is, that is why i stay away mostly
shinohai: in other not news "FBI working with bitfinex on case"
mircea_popescu: with excel spreadsheets i hope.
mircea_popescu: quick, someone tell the businessmen with cumulative years of experience about the excel spreadsheets! don't let inferior tooling happen to you!
mircea_popescu: only the best fbi case solving happens with excel spreadsheets!
shinohai: we can put the blockchain on excel spreadsheets ... smart contracts!
hanbot: so mod6 asciilifeform ben_vulpes & etc, i was testing the wrong derned thing (V99995), switching to the V99994 actually requested nao. did have asciilifeform's 01ABFFC7 key, artifact for anyone interested: http://dpaste.com/2J85RB5
shinohai: buttfinex back up, balances adjusted
mod6: The sink is finished & installed ohmahgerd.
mod6: what a fiasco.
mod6: this all started when the cat knocked off a heavy candle decaration off a high shelf, came down and shattered the pedestal sink.
mod6: that was thursday.
mod6: <+davout> figured moving to the south wasn't enough, so i've settled on mauritius << nice! wow is that pretty.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516914 << what's new in the new ver ? << this one (V99994) pulls the deps from deedbot that were deedified last month.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-07 19:54 mod6: in reality, we want to test V99994 and see how that behaves.
hanbot: i had the same problem with V99994, ftr i suspect it's a user permissions issue as when i try to manually check that sig against the vpatch gpg complains it can't open the file (and that particular patch was just alphabetically first, ergo not special)
mod6: yeah, i've seen this error before myself.
mod6: we'll get past it here.
mod6: $key asciilifeform
mod6: $key trinque
mod6: $key mircea_popescu
mod6: $key ben_vulpes
mod6: $key mod6
BingoBoingo: <mod6> this all started when the cat knocked off a heavy candle decaration off a high shelf, came down and shattered the pedestal sink. << Wait the drainpipe was fine? WHat was the problem?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> digging up through ancient trilemaz, http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion/#comment-93298 << AHA, Outputs.io!
mircea_popescu: iirc that dude ran off with something or the other later
BingoBoingo: Yeah "wallet service" called inputs.io
mircea_popescu: back when noobs still had dust, so his ~100 btc or w/e it was made a huge splash in the "community".
BingoBoingo: The press releases were $1000 or whatever
BingoBoingo: ANd then Gox finally kicked it a few months later
BingoBoingo: Oh =B= 1000
BingoBoingo: Or is the text thing 8=====D...... :) 1000
BingoBoingo: I forget how to prefix the internet coinz
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <mod6> this all started when the cat knocked off a heavy candle decaration off a high shelf, came down and shattered the pedestal sink. << Wait the drainpipe was fine? WHat was the problem? << the ceramic basin was completely shattered.
mod6: but the drainpipe/trap, etc were fine.
mod6: i may post a few pics here later.
BingoBoingo: mod6: You remove it and you caulk the new one in
BingoBoingo: And supply the faucet etc
mod6: oh yeah. except when girl wants whole new thing.
BingoBoingo: Oh, so you hew a new vanity cabinet from timbers?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, impact trauma is the enemy of tempered glasses
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Oh, so you hew a new vanity cabinet from timbers? << lol. no.
BingoBoingo: Then look on the bright side. Any plumbing project where you didn't have to worry about where to put the water after you use it isn't so bad.
mod6: ok: update on hanbot's test. she was able to clear the previous error.
mod6: but when it came down to it, she hit another error; her Ubuntu 10.04 test environment doesn't have `sharutils', a package that contains uuencode/uudecode. which is what V99994 is using to decode the deedified dependencies from deedbot.
mod6: so instead of using uudecode for this process, I'll have to reconfigure the script to use base64 looks like.
mod6: no worries. will make some changes and come back for another round of testing this week.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> Then look on the bright side. Any plumbing project where you didn't have to worry about where to put the water after you use it isn't so bad. << naw, certainly could have been worse.
BingoBoingo: Also gotta avoid the temptation to use pipe wrench when installing supply side threaded anything.
BingoBoingo: Or circles become eggs
BingoBoingo: And the water eggogs out
mircea_popescu: base64 much better than pulling in utf crap
mod6: i think i might have to re-deedifiy all those deps.
mod6: because i can't decode those files with the base64 binary.
mod6: for instance:
mod6: $ cat openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz.uu.asc | sed -n '/begin-base64/,/====/p' | base64 -d > openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
mod6: base64: invalid input
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, why not just use gpg armor ? wtf uu
mircea_popescu: maybe im confused.
mod6: i went down that path first.
mod6: with `gpg --armor --sign` but, like we discussed, one could not tell what thing is contained.
mod6: tbh, i thought that base64 and uuencode/uudecode did the same thing.
mircea_popescu: apparently not
mod6: i mean, it does say: 'begin-base64 664 openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz' at the beginning of the encoding.
mod6: so apparently those are lies.
mircea_popescu: im still lost on "one could not tell what thing it contained".
mod6: <+mod6> because i can't decode those files with the base64 binary. << maybe im doing something wrong here.
mod6: will try this again
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> im still lost on "one could not tell what thing it contained". << when discussed & shown, they are large signed/armored files. (with `gpg --armor --sign`)
mircea_popescu: ok. and i recall they were getting a header or is this something else ?
mod6: As I understood, we didn't wanna use that becuse one wouldn't be able to read the disclaimer or the "begin-base64 644 <FILENAME>" to see what the deed actually contained
mircea_popescu: {This blob is so and so : [then large pile of stuff]}signed
mircea_popescu: and the pile itself could just be put through gpg --armor, afaik you don't HAVE TO encrypt. i think ?
mod6: i guess to me, that meant clearsigning a pgp signed message. guess i didn't try that.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and the pile itself could just be put through gpg --armor, afaik you don't HAVE TO encrypt. i think ? << good question. i think you might just be able to armor.
mircea_popescu: well lemme prototype this quick see if what i have in mind works.
deedbot: [Qntra] Eulora Released 0.1.2 Update Released, Record Loot Follows - http://qntra.net/2016/08/eulora-released-0-1-2-update-released-record-loot-follows/
mircea_popescu: hm apparently that doesn;t exist in stock gpg. my bad.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo too many released ?
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
mod6: hrm, guess not:
mod6: $ cat buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz | gpg --armor
mod6: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
mod6: gpg: processing message failed: eof
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> well lemme prototype this quick see if what i have in mind works. << thanks!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hm apparently that doesn;t exist in stock gpg. my bad. << ah ok.
mod6: so anyway, lemme see if i can get this working the way I wanted with base64, i must be doing something wrong here.
mod6: this seems insane to me.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nice!
mod6: ok yup, im just mental
mod6: so it turns out that base64 binary kinda wants nothing to do with those beginning and ending markers.
mod6: once removed, works as expected. seems like i can just alter my sed command and should be ok.
mircea_popescu: so basically just spurious header added ?
mod6: yeah, header and footer.
mircea_popescu: aite then
mod6: if you get rid of the 'begin-base64 ...' line and the ending '====', then you can use base64 to decode, no problem.
mod6: i was just oblivious to this.
mod6: sorry for the noise.
BingoBoingo: In other "bathroom and too many dollars are getting printed lulz" a product exists called "bluetooth speaker bathroom fan with led light" intended to be installed as your bathroom's exhaust fan...
mod6: alright, got a way to grab what's between the header & footer with sed:
mod6: cat buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.uu.asc | sed -e '1,/begin-base64/d' -e '/====/,$d' | base64 -d > buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz
mod6: will update the V99994 script and start a new test cycle.
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