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trinque: y'know like being on IRC
trinque: doing the fundamentally right thing here, I think, involves the act of rating being that you make a deed of a signed statement which is your rating.
trinque: then my gossipd deednode chatters about rating deeds to mike_c after x confirmations
mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number
deedbot: $12 a blowjob is an odd number is not a command.
mats: oh hello there
trinque: lol
mats: $20, even $10, i get it, but $12?
deedbot: $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? is not a command.
ben_vulpes: i have a pgbomination wired into trb somewhere in my working tree.
ben_vulpes: shits txen into mother postgres as they come down the pipe
ben_vulpes: not even partially baked, got distracted by 'necessary prerequisite'
ben_vulpes: (a far cry from 'poc or gtfo', i know)
trinque: neat
ben_vulpes: notrly, it haunts me as i go to sleep
mod6: heheh
trinque: the bitbet auction pointed at the same problem, which looks more v-tronic the more I think about it
trinque: certainly in both cases before/after is what matters, not necessarily *when*
trinque: and who, of course
mircea_popescu: trinque> there are myriad ddos reasons one might not want any user to be able to interrogate the db << technically, all php driven websites are just a thin wrapper over user-driven mysql calls.
mircea_popescu: literotica recent thing being a lulzy point in case
mircea_popescu: even exposed their shitty locking policies lolz.
mircea_popescu: (yes, obviously could ddos the site, permanently)
mircea_popescu: trinque> I've yet to be convinced that the database isn't a thing << hey, i've been following your crusade from the foxhole, i dun see that it lost as of yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this isn't how mitm works. so what, mike_c gets fed bad data, and then we see it, and then what.
mircea_popescu: mats> $20, even $10, i get it, but $12? << market forces. prolly the price of a suficient number of hot pocketz or w/e.
mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care)
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 23:22 decimation: also describing it as 'political time' when the policy is 'matches easily observable astronomical phenomena' seems a bit hyperbolic
trinque: that recently caused me to change the "last updated at" on deedbot.org to use a block number in place of a timestamp.
trinque to bed
punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 04:38 mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/wz7
gribble: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 09:03 punkman: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/367 "we demonstrate various weaknesses of the random number generator (RNG) in the OpenSSL cryptographic library"
asciilifeform: Run Moar Whitened RNG!!
asciilifeform: also look forward to the nsa 'fix' for this 'bug'.
shinohai: Here's one to make you cringe asciilifeform https://github.com/davidapple/davemail
shinohai: Because we need more secure javascript
asciilifeform: shinohai: snore.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451032 << nav satellites actually won't work at all unless they agree on 'what nanosecond IS IT NOW' globally - but notice, they gotta carry own clocks for this.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 05:37 mircea_popescu: trinque> and who, of course << there is no "when" outside of before/after other than yet another derpy attempt by usg to matter, which ~nobody gives a shit about. (see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193955 re that if you care)
asciilifeform: if your application needs agreement on time xxxx km away, you have no choice but to have synced cesium clock on each end.
asciilifeform: but 'there is no when' is bullshit, you can ~create~ the 'when'.
asciilifeform: what there ~isn't~ and won't be is a unified planetary clock independent of the inca empire of the day...
asciilifeform: such a thing can only exist as a ritual of empire, consider where we got GMT.
jurov: eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events
shinohai: Sync boxes with the official trilema sundial.
asciilifeform: jurov: good luck observing same events from north and south hemi
jurov: stuff along the ecliptic is visible from all inhabitated places...
jurov: like, planets are the same on bith hemispheres
jurov: *both
asciilifeform: go sync naval chronometer to that.
asciilifeform: punkman: ancient news, there is one in the museum where i live
jurov: asciilifeform: +- hour accuracy is still usable
asciilifeform: +- day is still 'usable' somewhere.
asciilifeform: at any rate, thread was about 'absolute time', counted from some agreed-upon zero
jurov: what does political time have with it? does nonpolitical time even exist?
jurov: when ancien cultires tracked equinoxes for agriculture purposes, was that political too?
jurov: so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... but then the term is so all-encompassing and vague and thus useless.
jurov: everything we observe and talk about is then "political"
punkman: wut
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] BitBet receivership third progress report - http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-third-progress-report
mircea_popescu: $up davout
mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 21:00 mircea_popescu: davout for my curiosity, did you move the hotwallet funds or did you pass the codebase along with the hotwallet ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 20:36 mircea_popescu: davout i have nfi what you did here. for one thing, shareholders don't get 86, they get 86 + 1% of resolveed bets - 13.37
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they only find out they don't agree through a before/after violation.
mircea_popescu: there really, positively, finally and definitively does NOT exist any sort of "time"
mircea_popescu: not anymore than there exists "fuckability"
mircea_popescu: jurov> eh, get away. all empires had to observe the same astronomical events << the concept of "event" is fundamentally distinct from your notion of "time".
mircea_popescu: plox to also revisit the discussion re shitty computers and "number", and how the field of even numbers is "not contiguous" scl.
mircea_popescu: they're all the same thing, these.
mircea_popescu: jurov> everything we observe and talk about is then "political" << and so it is. re the public/private distinction made by the republic. it further follows that anything public in a space poisoned by the socialist ideology will be political. you know, from polithea, shitpit.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-08 15:36 mircea_popescu: here's how spears work : they have a business end and a handle. the handle - always points toward you. the business end - always points to the enemy.
mircea_popescu: jurov> so you mean "political" == "imposed by biological human condition"... << no. there is nothing biological or human about political space. it is antibiological and inhuman.
mircea_popescu: which is what they generally mean by "civilised". antibiological and inhuman.
mircea_popescu: and in perhaps-interesting news, https://github.com/oftn/TPFS
mircea_popescu: apparently there's something calling tiself "ΩF:∅" doing something or the other
mircea_popescu: and in which line, wtf is "racket" omfg.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the openssl link is gold, mega-recommended
asciilifeform: pretty much everything i ever said re the turd, is demonstrated true.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall pretty much you ever said about the turd, i never contested.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're thinking of the prog lang by same name, it is trendoid rubbish
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: https://racket-lang.org/ << check it out cocacolambda!
mircea_popescu: or was that pepsi
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: scheme with haskellisms bolted on
asciilifeform: 'crazy shitstick'
asciilifeform: (never mind that you can do this in 100 or so lines of ordinary scheme - no, the wankers gotta have the square brackets, 'laziness', other nonsense, PERMA-welded on)
mircea_popescu: basically i suspect we accidentally collided (via eulora, no less!) with a group of well meaning fellows that are argentinia-level managed and perhaps there's a joining available. we see.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, asciilifeform anything re little scheme ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-12 13:19 mircea_popescu: incidentally : anyone on friendly terms with cs depts at unis / cs profs, plox get in touch, i have a little scheme i could use your halp with. ty!
mircea_popescu: you know... LITTLE SCHEME :D
asciilifeform: is there something other than the logz where it lives ?
asciilifeform: that i can link to?
asciilifeform: then i can write to some folks.
mircea_popescu: i would think logs best. do you think they're defective in some way ?
mircea_popescu: happy to remedy, describe defects plox.
asciilifeform: not the logz, that is
asciilifeform: the oldsters
mircea_popescu: well... advise and if doable we do.
asciilifeform: perhaps write up idea in a ps0t
mircea_popescu: did you ever see write-up of similar that seemed good to you ?
asciilifeform: (not a single old-timer i ever linked to the logz, ever came...)
mircea_popescu: (ie, prev art ?)
asciilifeform: gossipd article was pretty much complete
asciilifeform: esp. if you count the commentz
asciilifeform: i'd take that as a gold standard.
mircea_popescu: lol prev art for req';d trilema article to be found... on trilema. my heads ;/
mircea_popescu: anyway ok, brb hacking something together we see.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Ethereum Foundation Outsources Forum To Censorship Experiment - http://qntra.net/2016/04/ethereum-foundation-outsources-forum-to-censorship-experiment/
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Thank you again.
shinohai: thx as well BingoBoingo I never miss an opportunity to lol at ETH
asciilifeform: dip 2.51 % is 'freefall' ??
shinohai: "in last 24 hours alone"
mats: use a more impressive number
mircea_popescu: hey, last time euro dropped 1% in a day, you couldn't get out of the fucking "o noes europe is teh end" usg agitprop
mircea_popescu: china, similar.
mats: 30% drop over two weeks!1
mircea_popescu: or that.
asciilifeform is still thinking about mircea_popescu's revelation re whore pricing
asciilifeform: it echoes the price mechanics of, e.g., industrial equipment
asciilifeform: and other items i'm more familiar with
asciilifeform: e.g., same instrument but 'to corporate account' grows 2-3 new leading zeroes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there are more confounding factors for whores. take simple example : you're paid to eat, but have to eat the food the sponsor pays for. what if you think tgi tuesdays is meh ?
asciilifeform reads mircea_popescu's thing
mircea_popescu: whore is a lot more selective, similarly, and demanding, similarly.
asciilifeform: what's a tgi
mircea_popescu: ;;ud tgi tuesdays
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=t.g.i.f.+tuesday | ... Spanish · Swedish · Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for t.g.i.f. tuesday yet. Can you define it?
mircea_popescu: shitty chain of fast food pretending to be a restaurant
mircea_popescu: "ever wanted to eat couch airplane food on land ? HERE IT IS"
phf: "eww, mcdonalds, lets go to tgis instead"
asciilifeform: and yes, whore is paid to fuck folks she would not otherwise consider
mircea_popescu: aha. I REALLY MISS BAD CATERED LUNCHES FROM WORK
asciilifeform: just as i, employed as another type of whore, have to do things i otherwise would not even want to know ~exist~
asciilifeform: much less do them on free will
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this also makes you more likely to put in the work to tmsr.
mircea_popescu: which is why whore (the real kind, that actually works - as opposed to what the female group wail purports) is in all times and places the young leader's best and most trustworthy ally.
mircea_popescu: also very cheap gauge. no need to risk your head - if the working girls don't worship you, best stay in school.
phf: in before jesus
asciilifeform: what is the alleged/'wail' type of whore ?
asciilifeform: (vs 'real')
mircea_popescu: (now guess why puritans like to pretend like the brothel is damnation, notwithstanding it is intricately linked to all stories of individual success - take paris for your instance.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 15:58 mircea_popescu: it's these specific lobotomies that allow "certain kinds" of societies to function.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when i was a kid in middle school, there was this red headed 14 yo that "everyone knew" was A TOTAL WHORE.
mircea_popescu: because the girls said so.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked a bunch of retarded 14 yo females anything ?
mircea_popescu: there's this group behaviour, the female wail. go into a group and shoot one in the head. see what happens.
mircea_popescu: it ensured their survival throughout otherwise very unfriendly history, and it is and likely will remain the central pillar of female socialisation and social behaviour. they wail.
mircea_popescu: not like reddit invented "brigading".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not mega-seekrit, if i turn on a radio or tv set, 9 in 10 chance i hear precisely this wail.
trinque: ^ hopefully he'll survive a netsplit now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, it gets tiresome.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your article is not very helpful to folks who neither know what is eulora nor can be arsed.
deedbot-: [Trilema] The Eulora Millenium of Code Challenge - http://trilema.com/2016/the-eulora-millenium-of-code-challenge/
mircea_popescu: notes notwithstanding ?
asciilifeform: hm possibly notes help.
mircea_popescu: i was going for this entire "keep it short and notify"
mircea_popescu: to get under the "hey this is too long for me to read - i'm in academia damnit"
asciilifeform: imho the megalith-of-logz-with-notes only works when 'preaching to choir'
mircea_popescu: well why i put the log in notes.
mircea_popescu: you saying it should be a later note ?
asciilifeform: imho whole thing should fit on one a4.
asciilifeform: in 14pt face.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how to do this ;/
asciilifeform: then i could shove it under some office doorz.
asciilifeform: 2sided ok.
mircea_popescu: it is currently 11667 characters, which means like 20 pages
diana_coman: fwiw I think asciilifeform has a point there
mircea_popescu: well on one hand shoving it under door seems a miserable plan to me. if you can't say to some guy "hey, look into this!" prolly best not molest 'em
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, i have nfi how to make it shorter. i guess the irc transcript could be made to go away ?
mircea_popescu: seems a serious loss, as the convo is very tense in the original, and i doubt anyone but they involved even has the priors to grok wtf is being said.
asciilifeform: terse ?
mircea_popescu: thinking of text in "ai" terms, the more complex the graph / strlen, the tenser.
diana_coman: I think what is difficult to grok at all there is what exactly (even in broad terms) is the offering - what is this millenium of code challenge at core
asciilifeform: yeah that part also confused me
mircea_popescu: at the core it is - you get the chance to offload most of your actual work on a private company.
mircea_popescu: which is, as far as history informs, what all bureaucrats ever really wanted.
asciilifeform: is this meant to entice kidz to hack on eulora ?
asciilifeform: or what
asciilifeform: or for profs to assign it as hw instead of etherium ?
BingoBoingo: AHA! mircea_popescu has a side effect of supporting the entrenchment of English through Eulora!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sad but true.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of that. teacher has to make up a fucking teaching plan, and establish curricula and scoring criteria and whatnot. THIS IS WORK
asciilifeform: then it is even more of a puzzler
mircea_popescu: can just meld it off eulora, get more class participation while watching more dr who or w/e tyhe fuck it is they do./
asciilifeform: how does eulora relate to this ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the tools aren't there to replace it yet.
mircea_popescu: win-win as they say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta give kids soemthign to do, right ?
asciilifeform: yeah but in no remaining american school is that something c++.
asciilifeform: or likely ever again to be.
mircea_popescu: they can make their own node.js client, who cares what tech they use.
mircea_popescu: they can make a smaller part ; or a method to do x. for that matter hooks are exposed and more or less documented.
mircea_popescu: they can make a perl bot to bid in irc auctions ffs. anything they want, they can make.
mircea_popescu: jurov more or less bolted scheme on the thing from what i hear. some other guy whose programming experience consists of flash reskinned the client in a coupla days.
asciilifeform realized that the idea ~very much is~ euloratronic, intrinsically, and as such asciilifeform is not the man to properly push it to skeptics face to face, not being a eulorist
asciilifeform: i mean, if i had to explain how the thing is fun & enlightening etc i could not do a proper job, sadly.
mircea_popescu: in this sense no one could ever do anything. heck, i can't explain why roses are fun and enlightening either.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, my not-yet-fully-formed idea was that it offers a. meaning hence interest from students b. active and responsive channel hence support c. wider experience (aka mystical "industry skillz" we need more of) d. (or overall) actually getting them into a wot that yeah, supports learning and not only tech either
mircea_popescu: it seems rather obvious that a bunch of undergrads would prefer to hack on a game over any and all other possible tasks they could get. not sure this point needs further argument, but if it does, prolly the blockhead in question not fit for white collar work anyway.
asciilifeform: i readily believe this. but never having ~personally~ played, am not adequately qualified to make the case.
asciilifeform: also i suspect that the current crop of undergrads will barf - 'omfg1111, 1990s graphics!11'
asciilifeform: but this is conjecture.
diana_coman: and it kind of got onto me because of all this current academia apparent strive towards "using OS as a way to get students develop wider skills and be more ready for industry" stuff; see open academy etc
asciilifeform: diana_coman: at what school, i wonder, is any of that ~actually~ happening
diana_coman: I don't mean we should now explain how it is more interesting, more a statement of concrete points
diana_coman: hmmm, borenstein is with stanford I think?
asciilifeform: whos'that
diana_coman: basically there is Open Academy that apparently works to some extent - by that I mean it gets some students to do something useful over a few months with mentors from respective OS projects
diana_coman: and after an initial hackaton thingee
mircea_popescu: mime guy neh ?
diana_coman: jay borenstein, he's the initiator of Open Academy as far as I know (I don't know him personally)
diana_coman: I'm still internally filtering a list of people I think might be most interested
mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ?
trinque: o,0
trinque: phf: what'd you end up changing in that ping/pong code?
phf: trinque: basically state is *last-pong* and *connection-state*
phf: in irc-pong-message hook i do (setq *last-pong* (max ping-time (or *last-pong* 0)))
phf: and there's a state machine in a thread http://paste.lisp.org/display/313413
phf: it measures time since *last-pong* on each tick, and if more then some time passed it sends out ping with current time and goes into waiting-ping state
phf: then if it gets a pong everything's ok, or it goes into a disconnect
deedbot-: [Qntra] As US Farmers Suffer As Corn Imports To US Increase - http://qntra.net/2016/04/as-us-farmers-suffer-as-corn-imports-to-us-increase/
BingoBoingo: ^ From the not a typo department
phf: trinque: actual state machine is a bit more elaborate, but atm incomplete. i'm writing it so that bot is entirely driven by the state machine, but right now only connected, ping/pong and disconnect parts are thought through
phf: trinque: that's the entire bot mgmt code http://paste.lisp.org/display/313414
phf brb
trinque: phf: neat, thanks
mircea_popescu: collection of lispbots, so fucking unreal.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 407132 | Current Difficulty: 1.668515132827772E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 407231 | Next Difficulty In: 99 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 8 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 424.61, vol: 4721.17387867 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.8, vol: 6141.27288 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 425.61, vol: 7977.27926267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 422.0, vol: 1.83004593 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 425.27361, vol: 25313.06360000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 424.97, vol: 1316.95243258 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 425.282419, vol: 29.7085162 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 424.651017192
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 17:09 mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ?
asciilifeform: much as i would like to see that cart move when i'm not actively pushing on it, thus far this has not been the case.
asciilifeform: (though phf recently did some interesting experimentation with shiva, iirc)
phf: i'm useful
asciilifeform: there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently
asciilifeform: (e.g., openssl must die; wallet must be cut loose and made to function sanely)
phf: but my shiva experiments were interrupted by log writing
asciilifeform: phf made a very spiffy logtron
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451077 <<< i have, hence the updated report i'm requesting comments on
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 14:23 mircea_popescu: i let you know already! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449011 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1449050 and in general, if you're taking the weekend off or not you still have to read the log. at the absolute very least your own highlights ffs.
davout: and re the hot wallet, kakobrekla sent it to me, and it was added to the 'currently under my control' part of the cash
trinque: $up deedbot-
deedbot: deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Pls no np links to reddit. Strip out the no so if people wanna manipulate voats with bots or socks they can without getting them banned.
shinohai: yeah only noticed the np after i had ctrl+v'd
shinohai likes downvote bots when he's drinking ....
BingoBoingo: these things happen
BingoBoingo kind of jealous
BingoBoingo remind self to not plan a relapse
shinohai: I have been toning down myself of late, but do enjoy binges on special occasions. And free booze is free booze.
punkman: who drinks absinthe anyway
BingoBoingo had a couple binges
BingoBoingo: on the stuff
shinohai: I do, I rather enjoy it. Got a whole set of spoons, glasses, and all.
shinohai hasn't yet gotten so inebriated he chopped off an ear tho
deedbot-: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Contravex : Now with expanded archives. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/04/13/contravex-now-with-expanded-archives/
deedbot-: [Qntra] Putin Providing Material Support To Trump-Clinton Candidacy - http://qntra.net/2016/04/putin-providing-material-support-to-trump-clinton-candidacy/
BingoBoingo: Huh, losing the BitBet auction seems to have hit pete pretty hard.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/3H4YEDH.txt << qntra ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: probably something should be up by morning
mircea_popescu: $up davout
deedbot: davout voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: davout kk will read
mod6: <+shinohai> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451009 <<< lol << It was basically 2 packs of smokes @ $6 ea.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 04:38 mats: $12 a blowjob is an odd number
mircea_popescu: punkman> who drinks absinthe anyway << preppy, "worldly" 16yos ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sorry, that didn't take as long as I thought it would.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Journalist Sentenced Under US Hacking Laws - http://qntra.net/2016/04/journalist-sentenced-under-us-hacking-laws/
shinohai: mod6: as long as you got yours! :D
phf: absinthe nights never end good
mod6: haha
shinohai: Last absinnthe night I had ended with me in a room with 3 girls. I'll say it went dandy.
mircea_popescu: pregnancy tests ok ?
mats: is your dong ok?
mod6: haha.
shinohai: rofl
mod6: lol fuzzy wobbles
mircea_popescu: and in other news, btcbase.org larger referrer for trilema than log.bitcoin-assets by now.
mircea_popescu: (for current month, i mean)\
mod6: nice
shinohai: Thos #b-a logs are so large every day I can't read them all now.
mod6: i haven't missed a single day
mod6: i feel like a book of them would be good to re-read though
mircea_popescu: i think the only one i ever missed was in march
mike_c: ;;later tell trinque dig www.btcalpha.com
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i also think he was sartaskik
mod6: i think the logs contain the most relevant and interesting conversations of our times.
shinohai: Sure, I still read the older stuff
shinohai: still a plethora of info there
mod6: lot of good stuff on trilema that takes a deeper dive too. all the way back to '11 and beyond
mod6: anyone wanna toss me a tarball of the logs?
mircea_popescu: same here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> there is a stupendous amount of work to be done, but unfortunately i personally do not have the free arms and legs to do it, currently << i'd be happy if i saw the damned phuctor already.
mircea_popescu: shouldn't be SUCH a fucking high bar, already.
mod6: what was the deal there? something with the database setup?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, something obscure that's been taking him 6 fucking months. it's beyond scandalous.
mod6: in other news, thebitcoin.foundataion (Not including therealbitcoin.org) has had 149k uniq requests, and 395k non-uniq requests.
mod6: nb
a111: Logged on 2016-04-02 19:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt.tar.gz
a111: Logged on 2015-11-11 20:12 kakobrekla: chunked my month now http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/log/
mircea_popescu: comparing the workrate differential, i'm starting to think the sane thing to do is spin it off to someone who actually wants to do it and move on.
mod6: phf: thx, will investigate.
mike_c: ;;later tell trinque and yes, i <3 postgres
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mike_c this seem like a sane interface to you, what he's proposing ?
mircea_popescu: im starting to think actually shared sql may be a very sane and deeply correct way t ogo about things.
mircea_popescu: db can even be maintained in a shared, hashed, headless, distributed manner a la torrents
mike_c: readonly access from someone trusted enough not to grab locks on everything? I guess
mircea_popescu: and be inquirable by independent services.
mike_c: personally if doing something like that I'd setup a read slave
mircea_popescu: sorta like bbs-with-sql, if you will, from another perspective
mike_c: and still expect it to get hosed
mod6: mike_c: hey! qq: those zocchi dice are the real deal 'eh?
mike_c: hehe, that threw me for a loop
mike_c: linking to 2 year old comments
mircea_popescu: ;;ud zocchi dice
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zocchihedron | The d100, a one hundred sided die invented and produced by Lou Zocchi, of GameScience. ... No set of dice is complete without a Zocchihedron.
mike_c: the point isn't the d100, the point is he makes fair dice
mircea_popescu: is there such a thing ?
mike_c: fair-er
mike_c: better for RNG with dicelist
mod6: yei don't care about the d100
mod6: im more interested in like a d16
mircea_popescu: if bias is the concern, you just degauss them. if not bias is the concern, wtf can he do to improve ?
mike_c: manufacturing process. it's pretty deterministic, roll random dice x times, roll his dice x times, his are better
mircea_popescu: mike_c the idea is you know what i mean by degaussing ?
mike_c: mod6: I am not an expert and haven't tested anything. simply word-on-the-street level info
mod6: werd man. thanks.
mod6: they look p-damn good.
mike_c: degaussing no, I took it as the nuemann thing for unreliable number smoothing
mod6: i'll report back on 'em.
mircea_popescu: yeah, exactky that.
mod6: yeah, i can't seem to determine if they should be whitened if good rolling techniques are used. meaning, high friction surface, bounce off wall, shake in round & covered cup, etc.
mod6: huh, thanks for the link. will read.
mike_c: but does that work with 1-6 instead of binary? I mean, you could build up the numbers binarily, but that seems like an even bigger pain than buying fancy dice
mod6: i've been doing some reading about this lately on what I can find.
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, it';s necessarily generalizable ; i linked a generalisation for convenience.
mod6: mike_c: there's this whole thread from turdtalk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297077.0;all
mike_c: sheesh, that still exists
mod6: not even sure if this shit is at all accurate or whatnot ^
mod6: so take with grain of salt
mod6: shinohai: ah, i've breezed through it rather quick, yes.
mod6: mp's link looks pretty good.
mod6: although, i wanna do stuff all by hand, if that makes sense.
shinohai: Next we will have you mining with an abacus :D
mircea_popescu: you can, if you wanna.
mod6: i did a recursive wget on this files.bitcoin-assets.com and alf has his own dir. lol
mod6: 122Mlog
mircea_popescu: seems maybe on the low side ?
mircea_popescu: o no nm, it was like 180mb all total iirc
mod6: lemme see...
mod6: 1.1Gfiles.bitcoin-assets.com/ << but there's even a movie in here, wot tarballs, bitstamp incident report,e tc.
mod6: 539Mlenat-leaks
mircea_popescu: lol wtf movie
mod6: there's a bunch of stuff, even a gpg bin?
mod6: assets-log.sql.tar.gz << and this
mod6: SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v
mod6: i just did a `mkdir foo ; cd foo ; wget -r http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/log/`
mod6: you may wanna run the same thing, probably faster than me rolling it up and passing to you.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-13#1451248 << oh probably whatever work I get done in the vein of trinque's makefiles.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-13 17:09 mircea_popescu: but back to more prosaic concerns, hey mod6 ben_vulpes what's gonna be in this month's foundation report ?
mircea_popescu: were you basically retooling for ada ?
mod6: naw, more like going through ada baby steps like these: http://zhu-qy.blogspot.com/2012/08/adatutor-simple-declarations-and-simple_13.html
mod6: and writing a lexigraphical parser in scheme, poorly.
mircea_popescu: prolly should have a sit down and get goals together tomorrow or somesuch ?
mod6: after the 15th, i need to contex switch, saddle up, lock and load on the makefile thing and see if we can finally get this stuff wrapped up.
mod6: yeah, i've been a bit mia because of all this shit-shoveling i've had to do lately.
mircea_popescu: is tomorro workable ? i'm mostly around all teh time so no biggy for me. or better later in week ? fri ? sun ?
mod6: during the day has been horrid for me for the last ~3 weeks. but, will try to stop in tomorrow night and discuss a bit.
mod6: i agree, a bit of a plan would be good. hold me to something i think.
mircea_popescu: night, as in like now ? or now +/- something ?
mod6: eh, what time you got there right now? 22:05?
mircea_popescu: it's 23:05 art
mod6: ah, ok. so figure between 21:00 and 23:30 art
mod6: which would be 19:00-21:30 cdt
mod6: might be a bit early for ben_vulpes, but he'll probably catch us on the tail end.
mircea_popescu: lol that sounds porny
mod6: :D
ben_vulpes: what is that in pst?
ben_vulpes: i have an 0800 PST train
mircea_popescu: ;;google 21:00 art to pst time
gribble: PST to Argentina Time Converter -- TimeBie: <http://www.timebie.com/timezone/pacificargentina.php>; PST to EST (Pacific to Eastern Time) USA & Canada | Greenwich ...: <http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/to/pst/to-est>; Convert: Pacific Time to GMT | Greenwich Mean Time: <http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/pacific-time/convert/>
mircea_popescu: fucking useless.
asciilifeform is getting close to escaping butugychag
danielpbarron: i also hate those sites
danielpbarron: ended ip adding agentina clock on my iphone
mod6: ok it's 19:10 / 7:10 pm there now ben_vulpes?
ben_vulpes: same same ish tomorrow? might be hard.
ben_vulpes: yeah, 1910
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's like 5 to 7pm
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it's 'new york' sans dst
mod6: so we're talking between 17:00 and 19:30 PDT
mod6: otherwise, i'm good if we wanna discuss someshit now for like 30 mins.
ben_vulpes: i'm beating the streets of seattle for more work all weekend, but i'll try.
mircea_popescu: eh wanted to give peeps a night to sleep on it anyway
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you actually go door to door ?!
mod6: basically, im just gonna end up creating a sandbox - inflate v054 from V, and throw in trinque's makefiles and start doing what needs doing.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: in a sense. there's a $shitlang conference up there this weekend, and the meatwot has graciously coughed up some introductions.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: clojure ?
mircea_popescu: i thought clojure was $goodlang
ben_vulpes: one of the $leastbadlangs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly for ben_vulpes , he works with some horrors from the bottom of the sea
asciilifeform: not entirely unrelatedly, i got my first ever cobol recruiter pitch today.
ben_vulpes: it's an entirely adequate lisp-alike on the jvm for webshit
mod6: bzzt
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suppose if you don't need error handling..
asciilifeform: or macros
mod6: who needs to handle errors anyway
ben_vulpes: not even "a lisP"
ben_vulpes: a lips /alike/
ben_vulpes: a gun to fire today.
ben_vulpes: tentacles to wrap around the webstack today.
ben_vulpes: but no, no error checking, compile-time inspection of funcall arity correctness, type management of any sort
mod6: hahah
ben_vulpes: it is a miserably lazily implemented language.
asciilifeform: l0l i did nit even know about the arity thing!
ben_vulpes: you have no idea how miserable it is
asciilifeform: holyfuq
ben_vulpes: and then ask why
ben_vulpes: "well because how would map know how many arguments it takes?"
ben_vulpes: aliebgruakisjbdfkahwebfqwejhfba,jhsdfba
mod6: im gonna have to be like Hiro, quit this shitshoveling and start devivering pizza for CosaNostra
ben_vulpes: i have yet to find anything /less/ painful for webwork.
mod6: once, i quit doing computer shit
mod6: for about 8 months, and spent time working nights in a tucson walmart in the ghetto
mod6: it was hilarious
mod6: for about ... 60 days
mod6: then it was just depressing
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: every time i dial the videophone into your favourite portland small usgtronics co., i think of you.
mod6: same lady, week after week buying the same full cart of vagicreme. same guys night after night wrestling over a spot in line at 01:59 am to see who would get sold the last 40
ben_vulpes: they are very nice gentlemen
ben_vulpes: just contracted us for another gig
ben_vulpes: but before this thread slips away
asciilifeform: mod6: you could have been the next lafonde!111
mod6: here's a matter of fact: no one pays with actual cash. ebt 4 everyone.
mod6: there's your tax dollars hard at work
asciilifeform: mod6: perhaps that's specifically a lolmart thing?
mod6: i can't imagine it is at all.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pretty posh, aha
ben_vulpes: i would vastly rather shovel this shit in my own office with my hand-selected brothers and sisters in arms than travel sixty minutes each direction to work on the once-every-two-years cool multiphysics projects $semicorp has on offer or 1.25 hours for the opportunity to labor in a machine shop with men who think boats are a good investment
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i met a few of'em in the flesh even, they came over
ben_vulpes: nice folks
ben_vulpes: "just want to do maf!"
ben_vulpes: nevermind what the 'correct by construction' flight controller will be used for.
asciilifeform: pretty sure one was on the winning side of alphago bet.
ben_vulpes: other than that, hilariously inept at anything other than procuring usg dole or scaring innocent civilians with 'sekyoority' analysis
asciilifeform: l0l i had no idea they sold anything to civs
asciilifeform: not advertised at any rate
mod6: im not sure which is more depressing actually, shitshoveling in a jerva shitstack all day, or walmart. make me want to pitch a tent in Mr. P.'s garden instead and work on math machine, even if futile. would be more rewarding than the shit i do on an avg. work day
ben_vulpes: i still labor under the delusion that i'll crap out something someone like myself will find useful that will pay for me to relax a bit.
ben_vulpes: whatever, life and work suck.
ben_vulpes: do it with people who don't.
ben_vulpes: try to eke out a few dollars here and there.
asciilifeform: i don't expect to ever relax. but currently exploring the idea of less-loathesome wurk
ben_vulpes: lol less loathsome
ben_vulpes: it's work, it sucks.
ben_vulpes: various knobs to turn based on worker proclivities, that's all.
asciilifeform: would settle for same misery but fewer unpaid hrs in iron box daily.
ben_vulpes: 4 10's, kegs in the corner, 20-hr weeks, philosophy instead of working, dollars...
ben_vulpes: what about greater misery?
ben_vulpes: because motherfucking /tradeoffs/
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes knew what i do there!
ben_vulpes: last i heard you were estimating algorthmic complexity of impossible cpp hairballs
ben_vulpes: and not positioning divs
asciilifeform: among other things.
asciilifeform: positioning divs won't pay for asciilifeformtronics.
ben_vulpes: not on its own, but as a necessary requisite.
ben_vulpes: "yes, that falls in the set of things you can purchase here."
asciilifeform: i admire ben_vulpes's talent for herding animals
ben_vulpes: or, say, oauth integrations.
asciilifeform: but i do not have it.
mod6: so in other news... yeah, tomorrow will work for me. i know trinque has been doing good work on deedbot etc lately, so I'll try hard not to bug him on the shit i gotta do.
ben_vulpes: or, say, custom forms for donation-accepting nonprofits who need to collect additional data on the state's say-so.
ben_vulpes: or excel -> geosearch tools
mod6: the main thing is; i've gotta get the makefiles in proper order, and basically, iirc, they already are real close.. but the thing I gotta work out is making a vpatch to add them to the source tree.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didn't some yc shartup purport to mechanize this?
asciilifeform: (formz)
mod6: because, my thought here is, Mr. P. inflates bitcoin via V, and then `cd bitcoin ; make`
mod6: that's it. "make me my fathers pistol"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: every payment processor has custom formage.
ben_vulpes: but /which bolt/
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc there was somebody pushing a form editor thing
ben_vulpes shurgs
ben_vulpes: how would i know, why would i care
asciilifeform has profoundly nfi
ben_vulpes: you think /i/ need help shitting out some tags?
ben_vulpes: and it's not the tags
ben_vulpes: it's the guiding them through the conversations with their auditor, department of revenue...
mod6: huh. so there's no way to make an interface to just bolt on these abortions 'eh?
ben_vulpes: mod6: every payment processor has their own interface. but as mentioned above, the tech is almost entirely ancillary to figuring out what needs doing and piping the data round.
mod6: hm. but custom work pays ok then right?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i do not envy you your wurk. it sounds like it includes a serious dose of hyoomaninteraction even.
mod6: "west cost choppers"
mod6: coast too
ben_vulpes: mod6: custom work is all i do.
ben_vulpes: pays decently, if very volatile.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where are the programmers who non-customwork, l0l
mod6: beats working at walmart
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: beats me! just answering the question.
asciilifeform: 'we wrote this same proggy 10,001st time!'
mod6: except for the $12 bj's. that's a decent perk
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, human interaction. i'm a derpy american business-ish hustler who also does software as it pertains to the /businesses/.
asciilifeform: 13333337
ben_vulpes: documentation generation for a 747 retrofitter at one point
ben_vulpes: hilariously overdelivered on that one
asciilifeform: i mostly just mutter incantations, prayers against drought, evil eye
ben_vulpes: system works so well they never needed a hand afterwards
ben_vulpes: great testimonial though
ben_vulpes: software qua software is a mystery to me, asciilifeform.
mod6: mircea_popescu: anyway, re: retooling to ada; I think my overall thought was, get v054 complete, in its classic form. Then move along to ada perhaps. But then there's still the question surrounding your suggested changes. Should be done in cpp ala classic? Or full re-write including your changes?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i don't expect to ever relax. but currently exploring the idea of less-loathesome wurk << Seriously try Home Depot
mod6: Say that the reward half is in july... seems hard to figure we could have anything meaningful written in ada by then at all.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: been drinkin'?
mod6: ;;rewardhalf
gribble: Error: "rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah
mod6: goddamnit
BingoBoingo: Still sober
mod6: ;;bc,halfreward
gribble: Error: "bc,halfreward" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: or did they add a zero to the wage while i wasn't looking
mod6: ;;bc,rewardhalf
gribble: Error: "bc,rewardhalf" is not a valid command.
mod6: X_X
mod6: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul 12 01:22:13 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 12 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
BingoBoingo: Just suggesting an employer who can give alfdog fiat and who is hiring this time of year.
mod6: July 12th, mother of god
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i got one of those already
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Far less USG tronic.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interested strictly in >= wage for < time on the stake.
BingoBoingo: You can even move to other corners of Mordor!
BingoBoingo: That's like > wage
asciilifeform: and defo not interested in physically showing up anywhere.
asciilifeform: or seeing motherfuking faces
ben_vulpes: there's also the local amazon subsidiary
BingoBoingo: Prolly more popescutronic girls there than rupture farms
asciilifeform: i've thought about learning to operate a tower crane.
ben_vulpes: underwater welding!
mircea_popescu: mod6 i have nfi, prolly part of what to discuss.
mod6: werd
asciilifeform: no filthy hyoomans in the crane cabin.
BingoBoingo: If you stay at home depot long enough you can get your lift truck license
mod6 imagines alf in the control box
BingoBoingo: Come on alf, live the orange life.
ben_vulpes: i really admire this nest of constraints you've put up, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand why it has to be a tower crane.
ben_vulpes: it is precisely the opposite of adaptive
asciilifeform: because the cabin holds 1.
BingoBoingo: How confident are you about that?
asciilifeform: and is 200 metres up in the air.
mod6: i feel like alf could live like ted kaczynski in the woods just fine.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't see him hunting and prepping any food.
mod6: only needs an axe, flint, steel and a matchbook calculator
BingoBoingo: Nah, alf needs his fiber internet.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty confident, there is a crane outside of my office window, i look into the cabin every day.
asciilifeform: with some envy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that;s the advertising crane.
BingoBoingo: Ohterwise alf has said mod6 that he would be pashtun dog.
mircea_popescu: the real work crane hosts 3 and they sit on the same chair.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aaaaaahahaha
asciilifeform falls down
deedbot: $b 3 is not a command.
mircea_popescu: "break's over, move to work cabin"
asciilifeform: these very same cranez will turn up,mi am quite certain, if i ever get near that wurk.
mircea_popescu: incidentaly, what do those people do when they need to pee ?
asciilifeform: there is a pissoir up there
asciilifeform: right on the gib
mod6: but, alf seems to know something about rabbit stew; with a decent shotgun, small game is easy.
BingoBoingo: when alf starts foley catheter
mod6: a man learns when he's hungry
mircea_popescu: mod6 still have to prep it.
asciilifeform: i have nothing against preparing phood
asciilifeform: speaking of which, brb
mod6: :]
mircea_popescu: you ever took a live animal and turned it into steaks ?
BingoBoingo: alf draws workman's comp from tower crane induced UTI
BingoBoingo: ;;ud UTI
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=UTI | Top Definition. UTI. A painful infection in your bladder where you feel like you have to pee all the time and when you do go to pee barely anything comes out.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, know what is difference between gynecologist and bee-dog ?
BingoBoingo: No, I have noes idears
mircea_popescu: they both have wet noses.
mod6: me? i've done a deer a few times
mircea_popescu: not you, him. you, i can tell.
mod6: it helps when its cold out, this is for sure.
mircea_popescu: worst time i ever had hunting, we got a decent boar
mircea_popescu: spent hour and half dragging it around trying to find place with no anthills within five feet
mircea_popescu: fucking nigthmare the damned shits, like they were everywhere
mod6: oh yeah
mod6: those are huge
mircea_popescu: and you know, boar weighs about the same as a large number of sacks of potatoes
mod6: i do clean my own phesants, about 50 per year. but thats easy, and a lot different than a large animal.
mircea_popescu: well a pheasant you're done with in what, 15 minutes solo
mod6: oh yeah, they have wild boar in tucson. they'll eat anything.
mod6: oh yeah, like 5 minutes.
mircea_popescu: but this thing you really need 2-3 people and ideally you know, an hour or so undisturbed
mod6: i feel like i wanna learn how to butcher cattle.
mod6: or hogs
mircea_popescu: cattle, you definitely should come to argentina.
mircea_popescu: possibly best butchers i've ever seen.
mod6: its a lost skill up here for the most part.
mircea_popescu: half of these guys look like they really shoulda been in surgery.
mod6: used to be here every small town had a guy, and you didnt fuck with him
mod6: ok, so anyway, i'll ponder some things tonight and tomorrow, and we'll discuss more.
asciilifeform: i dun have any experience with preparing freshly caught carcass larger than a fish. but - unlike www stack - would enjoy learning this.
asciilifeform: sadly, where i live, this is something only rich, or at least well-leisured folks, can access.
asciilifeform: but perhaps one day i will visit mod6 and ben_vulpes and they might teach me to correctly dismember a boar into sausages.
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