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pete_dushenski: just left davout a comment on his blog re: 'line in sand'. we shall see.
deedbot-: [Trilema] Yes there is a difference between rational and correct - http://trilema.com/2016/yes-there-is-a-difference-between-rational-and-correct/
mircea_popescu: $rated kakobrekla
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated kakobrekla 5 at 3571240878 << too much stuff to list. inquire within..
mircea_popescu: $rate kakobrekla -5 Cap'n of industree, borrowed my blender, then decided to try and make gravel and... it just didn't work out!
mircea_popescu: $v 2186181242C57B20D65D0B77F050C169103D6FBE05F0D9DB1307E9F05E26FA1F
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of kakobrekla from 5 to -5 << Cap'n of industree, borrowed my blender, then decided to try and make gravel and... it just didn't work out!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c i dun recall what you answered. are you planning to move btcalpha over to deedbot data or ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: fetching from mpex via rss works fine, too
mircea_popescu: i meant the wot
shinohai: gm #trilema
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.88, vol: 4009.71782923 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 418.368, vol: 6935.93952 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 422.48, vol: 8064.45609267 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 414.98, vol: 0.5 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 423.343905, vol: 23764.06980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 423.822, vol: 683.21392793 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.750727, vol: 57.72957771 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
shinohai: ;;more
gribble: 422.270388271
trinque: $up ____
deedbot: ____ voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: who's ____ ?
asciilifeform: $gettrust ____
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
shinohai: Fill in teh blank
____: lol i messed up my nick
____: i'm only a n00b :P
shinohai: For your viewing pleasure: https://i.imgur.com/VqLqb6l.jpg
jurov: unencrypted http is dead http://arxiv.org/abs/1602.07128
asciilifeform: jurov: e.g., tor nodes, have been substing btc addrs for yearz
mircea_popescu: heh, internet of shit ftw.
asciilifeform: 'Edge ISPs that inject false content affect their customers only. However, in this work we show that not only edge ISPs may inject false content, but also core network operators. These operators can potentially alter the traffic of all Internet users who visit predetermined websites. We expose this practice by inspecting a large amount of traffic originating from several networks...'
asciilifeform: this was called, what, 'foxacid' ?
asciilifeform: or was it 'ferretcannon.'
jurov: QUANTUMINSERT
mircea_popescu: derpysmurf ?
asciilifeform: jurov: ah i think that was it.
jurov: mircea_popescu: pls to mpex
asciilifeform: 'blackholing' ftw
asciilifeform: (if anyone thinks this is not being done to bitcoin, there is a bridge for sale)
mircea_popescu: $voice deedbot-
trinque: that one just died.
mircea_popescu: the botpile!
asciilifeform: mpex.co no longer showing mpoe ?
asciilifeform: bug? feature ?
PeterL: mircea_popescu meant to take down bbet and removed mpoe instead?
mircea_popescu: well, the one bot is unvoiced and so on. but : http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-closing-statement/
mircea_popescu: but - that someone noticed & reported within 20 seconds is rather flattering o.O
asciilifeform was not first to notice
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting. am i thick or what am i missing, but afaik 0 implications in re the things that i do...
asciilifeform goes back to sleep
mircea_popescu: uh... ok ?
mircea_popescu: does it have to have some ?
asciilifeform: was trying to get measure of how thick i am.
asciilifeform: though i can see one possible interesting, to civilians, item - that's a megatonne of coin that is now in circulation again.
ben_vulpes: half a mil!
mircea_popescu: "circulation" is a complex thing.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: as much congratulations as are due and as many condolences.
asciilifeform: well yes, it is a theoretical thing, entirely conceivable that none of the recipients will blow it
PeterL: but it's mostly just mp shifting coin from one pocket to another, what changed, really?
mircea_popescu: to force a comparison slighty : mergers and acquisitions in new york don't necessarily result in gold reserve trucks moving back and forth between ny and virginia or w/e.
ben_vulpes: PeterL: did you /read/ the thing? it is not longer even remotely possible to own a stake in the thing anymore.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he reads ~half iirc.
ben_vulpes: > and in general remain committed to the success of Bitcoin << aw, that's sweet of you
PeterL: just finishing reading right now
asciilifeform: at least no one will ever call it a pyramid again !!1111
mircea_popescu: because why, there's connection between words and things now ?
mircea_popescu: check out the mpex magic!
asciilifeform: hey recall, my main criticism of the demo run mircea_popescu gave me in '12 was 'i made too much coin investing in the exchange itself'
deedbot-: [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) Closing Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-closing-statement/
mircea_popescu: all in all, what a spring eh!
asciilifeform: axe-time, sword-time (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i missed the billion mit dollars thing ?
asciilifeform: where was it
mircea_popescu: ;;google mit media lab sucks 900000 dicks
gribble: 20 BTC reward for bitaddress.org issue : Bitcoin - Reddit: <https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3k0sxc/20_btc_reward_for_bitaddressorg_issue/>; Why you must get bitcoin : Bitcoin - Reddit: <https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2c8ikd/why_you_must_get_bitcoin/>; Real life stories of people screwed at Gox... : Bitcoin - Reddit: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: check it out, all google knows about mit is reddit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...in 2016 common people simply can not buy new miners, no matter what happens and how much money they're willing to spend...' << ahahaha precisely what i predicted when i showed up
asciilifeform: because mega-obvious imho.
mircea_popescu: hey, gotta give people a chance.
asciilifeform: the publicly-sold-miners thing was 100% chumpstrapping
asciilifeform: (bootstrapping via fraudulent preorder thing)
mircea_popescu: in one view. in the other view, it was pure opportunity
mircea_popescu: which the imbeciles passed on, because hey. they fucking know better
mircea_popescu: and are going to make blender gravel.
asciilifeform: which imbeciles ?
mircea_popescu: i was there for it - you weren't there for it. i tell you it was a lot more of this than of that. but yes both existed.
asciilifeform: i was definitely not 'there' aha.
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin community" imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: look through the list, lemme quote for you.
mircea_popescu: they're ALL names of losers. these people - failed.
mircea_popescu: they could have been someone and done something. instead - they chose to be themselves.
asciilifeform: idk, iirc nanotube came out pretty well ?
mircea_popescu: (yes, yes, "exceptions exist". sure, not all idiots are equally idiotic. nevertheless - none kept up with the coin.)
mircea_popescu: define "came out pretty well".
mircea_popescu: absentee owner of dead irc channel, the kakobrekla before kakobrekla. what's so well about this ?
mircea_popescu: back in 2014, after the wot split, tried to get him to fix gribble so it's no longer retarded. guess what ? still retarded, stateful auth, you name it.
asciilifeform: i do not know enough to usefully say. but iirc mircea_popescu introduced him as 'fuck-you-moneyed' character.
mircea_popescu: he's a bright fellow, an an economics professor. and the opportunity has passed him by.
mircea_popescu: was tall enough for a few years in the beginning.
asciilifeform: 'economics professor' ranks somewhere near 'catholic priest' in my mental order
asciilifeform: is it even possible for honest fella to carry out this job in englisch world ?
mircea_popescu: a lot of the bitterness of pioneers, espoused perhaps in its best form by cagney in that film ? ( http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#footnote_1_55053 )
mircea_popescu: yes, all the indians, and the prospectors, and the homesteaders and the whatnot can be all the butthurt they want at how they got "kicked out of their thing"
mircea_popescu: the problem is that nobody kicked them out. the thing grew, they stayed the same.
adlai: butthurt? i'm froffflmfaong!
mircea_popescu: how are you involved in teh discussion adlai ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought the moral of that snippet was that the folks somehow believed that they had a ~share~
asciilifeform: rather than a fixed parcel
mircea_popescu: people can believe the fuck they want.
mircea_popescu: fuck, or get off the pig.
adlai: mircea_popescu: member of the peanut gallery, warmer of bleachers, leader of cheering squad, etc.
mircea_popescu: adlai ok ok, but the discussion is re old timers that got left behind. you're what, 2015 ?
mircea_popescu: you still got time to fail, what's your rush.
adlai: "time's complicated"
mircea_popescu: heh i guess it is.
mircea_popescu: $unrate assbot
asciilifeform: 13:54 <+mircea_popescu> fuck, or get off the pig. << win!
adlai: all i know is that the 'accounts' abomination thinks i move more coin than s.mpoe at peak frenzy
mircea_popescu: $v 8921F9C4D1F47587D6F6E611BD111EB73CE5DD0813C5E3916A5B2C3C0988D892
deedbot: mircea_popescu unrated assbot.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect a lot of the popular hatred of inflation has absolutely nothing to do with inflation's ills, but quite the opposite ; and instead is a nude and rude displeasure at this "oh, now that i'm on the pig i can't just sit here and pick my nose ?!?!" thing
mircea_popescu: people want to have achieved rather than achieve, apparently. it seems to me a modern affliction, this, but who even knows.
asciilifeform: recall the 'biological stages' thread ?
asciilifeform: part of it is the senescence thing
asciilifeform: everybody at some point gets to the place where they ~can't~ tread water
mircea_popescu: the bigger part of it however - is the failure to thrive thing.
asciilifeform: but the other thing is that nobody really likes treading water
asciilifeform: and everyone sees folk who aren't treading, and still float
mircea_popescu: from its humble beginnings as "i dunno if i'm ready for you to move in yet" to its full blown "i'm in bitcoin hurr durr", it's the same thing.
mircea_popescu: senescence'd be fine, if the neotenous corpses HAD GROWN AT SOME FUCKING POINT.
asciilifeform: illustrate ?
mircea_popescu: sure. stalin was an unwashed small time thief.
mircea_popescu: that turned bank robber
mircea_popescu: that turned field marshall
mircea_popescu: that turned churchill down.
asciilifeform: how many stalins and how many shoemakers ?
mircea_popescu: he ~grew~ with the fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, imagine the october revolution if EVERYONE involved had stayed small time govt clerk/whatever the fuck they were. a ?
asciilifeform: in what sense is that a revolution ?
asciilifeform: rather it is 'day job as usual', no ?
mircea_popescu: bickering endlessly in that tedious, god forsaken unreadable style of dostoyevski's, about who should have done what or w.e the fuck , i can never finish a page of his dialogue.
asciilifeform: it sums to 0.
asciilifeform: holy fuq, i'm now getting 'work at ft meade!111' spamola!
asciilifeform: apparently this is a thing!
asciilifeform: 'The Panama secrecy leak claimed its first casualty after Iceland’s Prime Minister Sigmundur David Gunnlaugsson resigned following allegations he had sought to hide his wealth and dodge taxes.'
asciilifeform would like to know who imagined that any of these folks paid tax !
shinohai: Yesterday: "I will *not* resign" Today: "I quit"
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, but w/e.
phf: (if people trying to access patches etc. things are at present down)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/a-little-bit-of-bitcoin-history/ possibly of interest, dunno if you ever saw it b4.
asciilifeform: i recall this
asciilifeform: it is how mircea_popescu came to subj
phf: hehehe, sorry pete you're no longer first #t-a post, i discovered that i had timezone issue, that's now been corrected
trinque applauds
asciilifeform: ^ illustrated ! ^
asciilifeform: (or from trb at any rate, iirc mod6 had this in his original diagrammator)
danielpbarron: i love the new log! v.nice with the back and forward reference thing
phf: since i fucked up the timezone again, had to refresh the log, so now inaugural first #t-a post belongs to diana_coman
diana_coman: ha, love the dragon
trinque: yep the reference links are very nice. thanks phf!
phf: :)
ben_vulpes: super.
shinohai also likes the dragon ...
jurov: Fits the mythology, i guess.
deedbot-: [Qntra] MPEx Goes Private - http://qntra.net/2016/04/mpex-goes-private/
jurov: ^ calling our resident conspiration theorist asciilifeform: why mircea_popescu feels necessary to draw parallels with bitbet?
asciilifeform: jurov: i have deeply nfi
asciilifeform: mp's productions are so opaque that i cannot even conjecture about the mechanics, which is, i suppose, precisely how he likes it.
jurov: !b 1
gribble: Error: "b" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: i have no problem with this, nowhere did he promise a mega-explanation for everything he does, srsly
ben_vulpes: consumers have come to whatever it was
jurov: jus' asking if anyone understood it. or it was only exclusively aimed to meta-trilema
jurov: he basically said that the notion that some pretend-sovereign may have caused closure of bitbet is utterly ridiculous
asciilifeform: if i had to guess, from my grossly inadequate picture, why he did it, why not the simple hypothesis - buy it back while it is mega-cheap
asciilifeform: but of what interest is my guess.
jurov: dunno what that makes of the chinese miners theory
diana_coman: jurov, do you mean this: The notion that some fiat pretend-sovereign or other has anything to do with this measure is significantly less sensible than the notion that 17 Bitcoin and change is what caused the closure of Bitbet, as ridiculous as that notion may be.?
jurov: yes that
diana_coman: the way I read it, it says: a. the fiat pretend-sovereign has nothing to do with mpex going private b. bitbet did NOT die because of 17 btc
diana_coman: I don't see the link fiat pretend-sovereign - bbet
diana_coman: how do you make that link?
jurov: i did not know what to make of it and how it goes together
asciilifeform: implication here, if i understand, is that mining as we know it is a work of fiat sovereigns
danielpbarron: what implication? he explicitly stated that other people haven't stepped up to make bitcoin better
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: jurov's
jurov: okay, i can see some tortured logic how diana_coman reds it
jurov: *reads
BingoBoingo: <jurov> he basically said that the notion that some pretend-sovereign may have caused closure of bitbet is utterly ridiculous << Well gotta consider what happened soon after S.Dice delisted
asciilifeform: speaking of bbet,
jurov: what happened?
jurov: what happened after s.dice, i mean
danielpbarron: $gettrust znort987
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Erik settled with SEC over his twitter GLBSE thing
trinque: $up abd
deedbot: abd voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: o hey check it out, new log
mircea_popescu: phf any chance we get text/author separator vertical aligned ?
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: ditching the timestamps explicitly i can see, roll-over seems better
mircea_popescu: but really, can there be timestamp ? maybe http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04-21-53#1445586 or somesuch ?
mircea_popescu: ah that'd break links, huh. hm.
mircea_popescu: so if i do http://btcbase.org/log/30-04-2013#7173 i get 404 ; whyssat ?
mircea_popescu: from:mircea 100 entries in 0.29s :D
mircea_popescu: does it only find 100 ?
adlai now being contract-free, nestles down to read that other 'closing statement'
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> i love the new log! v.nice with the back and forward reference thing << am i missing something ?
mircea_popescu: and what dragon!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> mp's productions are so opaque <<< weren't you running a simulation ?
danielpbarron: if you link the log, that line gets a reference link to where you mentioned it
danielpbarron: and there's an image of a dragon separating b-a from t
mircea_popescu: jurov> okay, i can see some tortured logic how diana_coman reds it << what exactly is tortured ? "a is less than b, and b is less than epsilon".
mircea_popescu: o hey check it out. nice dragon!
jurov: you actually worded it as "a is significantly less than b, and b is less than epsilon"
jurov: dunno if anything can be significantly less than epsilon
mircea_popescu: hm. this is actually an interesting question.
jurov: unless there are negative numbers in play or somesuch
mircea_popescu: is your definition of epsilon "such a value that nothing can be picked significantly smaller than it" ?
jurov: depends on definition of "significant"
jurov: whether on infinitesimally small value can be "significantly" compared to another
mircea_popescu: anyway. epsilon just means "very small", in which case the sentence works. i think i actually like your definition better, in which case the word is used frivolously, for stylistic effect.
mircea_popescu: (the word = significantly)
mike_c: To do deedbot based wot, I'd need dumps
mike_c: do those exist?
mircea_popescu: if you need, you shall have! any requirements ?
mike_c: not really. I currently suck in daily dumps. I'd be open to some more realtime arrangement, which would require further thought
mircea_popescu: trinque can you accommodate the gent ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c maybe hourly diffs ? rss updates ?
mircea_popescu: i tell you one usercase (new eulora players) really makes me want moar realtime.
mike_c: a feed would certainly work
mircea_popescu: is there anything substantially wrong with just polling a rss feed whenever your server feels like it ?
mircea_popescu: iirc we don't hate rss, or do we ?
mike_c: nothing wrong with that. available db dumps would still be good for rebuilding from scratch if necessary
trinque: mike_c: couple of days and I'll get ya both dumps and something to poll for realtime data
mircea_popescu: howling shit!
mike_c: trinque: great
mircea_popescu: phf what's the most referenced line plox ?
mircea_popescu: OMFG! so these useless imbeciles have added every last thing to utf EXCEPT A TITS GLYPH ?
mircea_popescu: for the love of fuck. how can people be this thick.
mircea_popescu: so i gotta do (•)(•) yet fucking obscure language can't spell out its shit ? burn it down i say.
shinohai: Why not let the fuckers stay and take bets on how long the fat will burn?
BingoBoingo: No, the point is it is safest for them to stay because of their immobilities and condishuns
mike_c: ;seen davout
mike_c: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #trilema 1 day, 9 hours, 15 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <davout> ouch
mike_c: after much combing of logs and blogs, I can't figure out whether mp decided that davout was actually due another 200 btc and disbursement is pending, or if lists were still being checked and there was not yet agreement
mike_c: i see mp saying "i've got the coin but am verifying lists", but not where that ended up.
mike_c: is it still up in the air?
mod6: wow. just saw the news.
mike_c: oh, that little thing about mpex going private?
mod6: Ya.
mike_c: yeah. well, how long could mpoe have survived without mpoe-pr?
mod6: heheh.
mike_c: I assume mpif can't be far behind, given the lack of anything worth investing in.. talk about a dead zone for btc income investing.
mircea_popescu: mike_c lists still being combed, but in principle agreement yes.
mircea_popescu: and yeah, mpif is prolly going to close next month.
mod6: maybe a good time to take the chance to say; Thanks for all the hard work over the years. I gather that it's far from easy. Salud!
mike_c: Quite the clean shutdown of a huge listing too
mircea_popescu: ideally, while the work is never easy, it's easiest for the one doing it. at least, if capital allocation works worth a shit.
mike_c: yes, but davout isn't around
mike_c: sweet jesus
mike_c: new irc client is giving me fits
shinohai: what client did you end up with mike_c
mike_c: i am trying irssi for first time
mike_c: and enjoying it
shinohai: I used irssi long ago before my switch to weechat.
mircea_popescu: sounds like it :D
mike_c: no, I really am. just got to get used to it
mod6: yeah <3 irssi
mike_c: before I start spilling my private keys in public windows hopefully :)
shinohai likes the ability to switch between cli or webclient at any time.
mod6: took me a while to get my conf setup the way i liked it, but its been pretty much the same now for 10 years probably.
mod6: best thing about irssi, it'll ask you if "you're sure" if you try to paste like more than 5 lines or something.
mod6: well, maybe not best thing, but ~a~ nice feature.
mike_c: heh, yeah, I can see that being handy
mircea_popescu: mike_c> yeah. well, how long could mpoe have survived without mpoe-pr? << in fairness... mpex listed itself by reverse-merger with the then-listed mpoe ; which continued operation as a distinct profit center but that has meanwhile discontinued. it's such a historical layering of evolutions etc that some restructuring years later seems inevitable.
mike_c: and not a bad thing either for it to be restructured. things change, quickly around here. I was just pointing out that s.mpoe was a steady ride up until the death of mpoe-pr, and then bumpiness ensued.
mike_c: perhaps coincidence ;)
mircea_popescu: true, huh.
mircea_popescu recalls the time when mpoe divs were easily in the k's of btcs and mpex barely counted in the mix.
asciilifeform: irssi rocks
mod6 remembers translating all of the original MPOE text from .ro
mircea_popescu: ahaha yeah. first year or so huh
mod6: Yeah, was the autumn of '11.
mod6: Something like that.
mircea_popescu: at the time trilema readership was mostly ro dudes.
mod6: No education that you could buy could compare to the last four years.
mircea_popescu: funny thing, people derping in 2012 "oh no way mpex is worth what, almost 1 mn ?!?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: by 2014 "o no wai it's worth 1bn!111"
mircea_popescu: it's like... ooook.
BingoBoingo: Ending at half a million not bad
mircea_popescu: there's worse fates fs.
BingoBoingo hasn't done the math to see what qntra is worth lately
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.qntr
deedbot: $vwap s.qntr is not a command.
mircea_popescu: mebbe one day it is!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "S.QNTR": {"1d": {"avg": "","min": "","max": "","vsh": "","vsa": "","cnt": ""}, "7d": {"avg": "13600","min": "13600","max": "13600","vsh": "1200","vsa": "16320000","cnt": "1"}, "30d": {"avg": "16574.1269813","min": "13514","max": "19947","vsh": "5552","vsa": "92019553","cnt": "5"}}
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 16574.1269813 * 409368
gribble: 6784917214.08
mircea_popescu: almost 68
BingoBoingo applauds
mod6: that's about 2x the foundation for sure.
mircea_popescu: well the foundation is mebbe worth a little mroe than its chest.
ben_vulpes: really how?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, by same theory woman is worth more than her earrings!
ben_vulpes: i thought cunt was woman's only saleable asset
mircea_popescu: sealable!
ben_vulpes: sorta
mircea_popescu: hanbot seems to have made a bundle out of selling bile and lemonade squirts to the eye!
ben_vulpes: hanbot is not "woman" in the same way that mod6 is not "redditor"
mircea_popescu: well if you're going to distinguish like that...
mircea_popescu: !!! TW !!!
gribble: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: "twu wuv" ?
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tw | tw. abbreviation for trigger warning warns the audience that the following media may be triggering for mental disorders such as eating disorders, self harm/injury,  ...
ben_vulpes: ahaha
trinque: lol
ben_vulpes: i am actually noodling on an insanely cynical webapp
trinque: adblock for triggers?
BingoBoingo: "This site requires JavaScript and Cookies to be enabled. Please change your browser settings or upgrade your browser." << Nice app
ben_vulpes: trinque: no, more of a "is this movie going to hurt muh feelz?"
ben_vulpes: mostly 'cause i want a movie index categorized by rape, violence, blood, misogyny...
ben_vulpes: war, ghosts etc
trinque: bahaha
mircea_popescu: why not have a general purpose categorizer
mircea_popescu: also known as fucking dewey
ben_vulpes: dds has rape category?!
ben_vulpes: nyooz to me.
mircea_popescu: it can get as fine as you want it to!
ben_vulpes has spent an inordinate amount of time coercing a proprietary db to shit more instances of itself out, is rather fed up with proprietary things
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes is your classifier based on what, the scripts ?
ben_vulpes: nono this is a /cynical/ play
ben_vulpes: "crowds0urced"!
mircea_popescu: you just doing the software for some idiots with too mcuh money because hey, ustardism/ngo ; and it won't work without data which they won't be able to get ?
mircea_popescu: and to think that if these people were just sold into slavery instead, everyone'd be better off, their misfortunate parents first and foremost.
mod6: holy shit there's a log
mod6: it's almost like the second congress is in session
mod6: oh wait! :]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what, you think i'm so foolish as to try semantic analysis on...all of the scripts?
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah and pretty cool log at that!
ben_vulpes: imagine what the third congress will have
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's much easier than you think, because the rigours of producing explained obliquely somewhere on trilema actually force a very strict and mechanical language.
mircea_popescu: read a shooting script once, notice all the capitalised terms ?
ben_vulpes: "EXTERNAL"?
mircea_popescu: for instance.
mircea_popescu: once you get into VAGINA you know you're in trouble.
ben_vulpes: how does search work on the new logz?
mircea_popescu: shittily i presume :D searched for my stuff got a paltry 100 lines!!11
ben_vulpes: what it's not streaming to the browser for rendering with js over websocket?!?!?!?!?!
ben_vulpes: SHAME
ben_vulpes: SHAME
ben_vulpes: SHAME
mod6: did we find a bundle of the old logs?
ben_vulpes: mod6: ayup
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hey!
mod6: ah, wunderbar
ben_vulpes: that was a very sneaky dodge.
mircea_popescu: so wtf, derpy spam includes flyer from eatery. it offers... SANDWICHS. and BEBIDAS. which are... coke and shit.
mircea_popescu: what in the ever loving fuck, i'm going to call someone to MAKE ME A FUCKING SANDWICH ?!
mod6: i love a good sandwich
mircea_popescu: "please drive over with a sandwich, i'm retarded and have no women."
ben_vulpes: how do i /use/ the new search
mircea_popescu: mod6 and when you feel like one you make it!
mod6: fair.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes saywut ?
mod6: best with my garden tomatoes too. yaaar!
mircea_popescu: im growing lovage.
mircea_popescu: illegally imported, unknown in argentina.
ben_vulpes: like from:ben_vulpes etc
mod6: nice
mircea_popescu: i introduced a foreign species into a new habitat!
phf: Had to connect from phone to address this one, searching "from:something" greps for that exact string, rather than semantic messages "from" "something". So only finds 100 or so messages with "from:mircea" in them
mod6: this year im goin hard on the cucumbers, so i can pickle the fuckers and make even better sandwiches.
mircea_popescu: phf ah ah. dun fret, we'll survive till you get out of social engagements and get back to computer.
phf: Haha k
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah proper pickles are a must. but the salt kind
mircea_popescu fucking hates the vinegar bs.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-broad-and-the-million-fireants-a-parable/ << lol check out the antique, from back when ben_vulpes was benkay
mircea_popescu: $s "and the boys mircea mircea after me"
deedbot: $s "and the boys mircea mircea after me" is not a command.
mircea_popescu: oh no search integration as of yet huh.
mircea_popescu: trinque phf this is happening amirite ?
adlai: ben_vulpes: actually i think webapp works just fine: http://i.imgur.com/i0gQuzk.png
mod6: normally i have these dill ones. i don't dig the bread and butter ones much.
mod6: i gotta look and see here...
mod6: yeah, the kosher dills. these look to be like water, vinegar and salt for the brine.
mod6: i'd go as far to say that I've never even had a salt pickle.
mod6: "salt pickles like your great grandmother used to make..." yeah, i'd bet i've never even had one.
mod6: have to give that a try
adlai don't want a pickle... just wanna ride on his motor sickle
mod6: get in line
adlai: and iiii don't wanna die... just wanna ride on my motor sigh. ckle.
asciilifeform revvs up motorsigh
asciilifeform: y'know, back in the good ol' dayz
asciilifeform: (def of epsilon)
mircea_popescu: aha. nb.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446421 << clearly my simpopescu needs wurk!111
mircea_popescu: mod6 salt pickles are really fermented, not vinegared. they preserve because the lactobacillum keeps other bugs out
mircea_popescu: anyone know how the fuck do i wipe dos blank lines in cli ?
mod6: this is neat-o. im gonna have to do some jars of those. i've got a lady who knows how to jar, is gonna show me this summer.
mircea_popescu: sed / grep don't match ^$, awk doesn't match with NF > 0, i'm totally wtf'd.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'dos2unix'
mircea_popescu: can't i not have to do that ?
asciilifeform: sure, awk, l0l
asciilifeform: you'll have to explicitly spell out the cr lf heathenry tho
mircea_popescu: :blank: also dones't catch it
asciilifeform: it dun count as a lineend
mircea_popescu: wyhat is it \r\n ?
mod6: oh like [CTRL+V CTRL+M]? This will yield you a matchable '^M'
mircea_popescu: holy shit, -v "\r\n\" also doesn't catch it
mod6: so you can do like `sed s/^M//` or whatever
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446423 << i read it as 'here be dragonz' re the continuing but no longer tmsrtronic old logz
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-05#1446562 << surely you meant : sold for ~biodiesel~
asciilifeform: (who wants these slavez?)
mircea_popescu: mod6 crazily that matches nothing
asciilifeform: try the actual escaped hex
mircea_popescu: oops i mean
mircea_popescu: sed '/^\s*$/d' did it eventually
mircea_popescu: i guess ghiost whitespace orf w/e
mod6: huh. yeah weird.
mod6: while im rounding out the lib, any mega-b00k reccos on DFA?
asciilifeform: hopcroft & ullman ?
asciilifeform: or papadimitreou
mod6: hey thanks!
asciilifeform: get the h&u with the hot chick on cover!111
mod6: lol
asciilifeform: unless you're actually mathematicizing, you prolly don't need a b00k re dfa...
asciilifeform: simple enough concept.
mod6: werd. just something for shelve reference.
mod6: *shelf
asciilifeform: in other not-quite-news, http://ideone.com/a1ky4l << ada mandelbrot generator, safely threaded, ~170 lines.
asciilifeform: (by author of the 'random walk in ada' article.)
mod6: cool man
adlai loves the ads for SPOJ claiming "learn how to code" in a site that lets people who know math compete in who knows more math
adlai: but those glyphs have me wanting to learn braille again.
mod6: you learned braille?
adlai: no, but i've wanted to ever since i realized my eyesight (which is pretty damn good) is not good enough.
adlai: learning braile does not play well with practicing guitar, due to calluses.
mircea_popescu: braille is a dead pursuit.
mod6: ah, yeah, like having wax fingertips
mircea_popescu: it had its niche before computers. ~ nobody still learns it today.
adlai: would chetty consume accelerated audio?
mircea_popescu: and all sorts of screen readers and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: she did learn braille originally ; never used it much past the 90s. also of course there's two.
adlai: two?
mircea_popescu: yes, two.
mod6: i had no idea her vision was that bad. i must be oblivious
adlai doesn't understand what mircea_popescu means by "there's two". is this like "another skywalker"?
mod6: hell, sat there and talk to her for a good while, had no clue.
mircea_popescu: mod6 she was EXTREMELY good at taking cues from, say, me. but generally people.
mircea_popescu: adlai ie, two brailles, like they did a braille-ext or some shit
adlai: oic
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah.
adlai: my guess is that much more useful secret tongues are sign language and morse
adlai: although realtime caesar cryptanalysis on permuted morse is probably past even mp-complete
mircea_popescu: ahaha what ?
mircea_popescu: check out amateur sigint
asciilifeform: adlai: caesar cryptoanalysis on arbitrary symbol set is ~literally~ first week's homework at any half-decent school
asciilifeform: second week's - same, with 'rotors'
adlai: "week's homework" /= realtime
asciilifeform: adlai: a few msec
asciilifeform: srsly this is begging for mircea_popescu's article
asciilifeform: where was it
adlai: 'fits in head' has another interpretation.
adlai unlike trb donators has much more creative paranoiae
mircea_popescu: he seems to propose that he'll takamakatotopipi so quickly you won't know what hitcha!
adlai: it's the other way around. haven't you ever realized everybody around you is communicating in front of your face in a language you can't parse?
adlai: cf meta-#t-a
adlai is all about freedom of information; analysis, not concealment.
asciilifeform: adlai is also about lsd ?
asciilifeform: this is not a sin per se but makes it difficult to communicate
mircea_popescu: see ? his crypto wurx
asciilifeform: apparently!
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-03-2016#1436476 << yes, yes, etc. the awakeness knob goes to 11!
asciilifeform: adlai: there is a proper log now
adlai: it still doesn't insert quotes, this is not proper
adlai demonstrates: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436450 << adlai awake? or is he still digesting that kg of lsd.
asciilifeform: adlai: click the arrow
adlai: i don't want to click shit, i want text quoted in weechat without me moving an eyeball.
adlai: this is what assbot did back in the good ol' days.
asciilifeform: imho it would be optimal for the thing to spew old-style assbot spew, aha
asciilifeform: so long as the latter doesn't interfere with the log browser's mechanisms re arrows
asciilifeform: i can't be the only one who takes in the log at least half the time from the logtron
adlai: recursing into inner links, across the log.b-a.chasm, left as an exercise to the industrious lisper
adlai goes back to trying to make money make money
trinque: wtf is this disconnected by services shit?
trinque: why is IRC so damned terrible?
adlai: in other news, http://www.learnmorsecode.com/pix/learn.gif is what i didn't even know i needed.
asciilifeform: adlai: aha, huffman
asciilifeform: whatever floatsyerboat
mircea_popescu: trinque noidea.
asciilifeform: so in other 'news', somewhere b/w 1/3 to 1/2 of ~all~ public nodez are ~admitted~ sybils at this point.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That was January, mebbe February news and previously August-September news
asciilifeform: i find it difficult to imagine that mircea_popescu would not have known this. ergo on 'day x' he believed that he was connected directly to a mine.
asciilifeform: (incidentally, the node/mine dichotomy is an excellent illustration of the 'protocol vs promise' principle. in that initially, they were one and the same - cpu miner was enabled. but this was 'promise' in the sense that nothing kept the two tethered together)
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-04-26#1 << new url to first log line, and its 2nd reference :)
adlai: asciilifeform: would you argue that satoshi should've switched PoW each time a new optimized (ie, gpu, fpga, etc) miner was released, at least, before he sepukkud?
phf: adlai: i'm half expecting bot to fall over at any second, you want it to spew log lines, you crazy, mang
asciilifeform: adlai: iirc he vanished before gpu even.
adlai: asciilifeform: not quite, iirc he wailed and gnashed teeth at the ungentlemanly conduct of ArtForz.
asciilifeform: the idiocy is of interest strictly to archaeologists.
adlai sleeps, dreams of ketsaknives
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