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deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - ItBit US Out of Business before May 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1149/itbit-us-out-of-business-before-may-2016/#b13
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deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b26
assbot: The NSA’s SKYNET program may be killing thousands of innocent people | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQjPYf )
assbot: GG Allin - Livin' Like An Animal - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SQk45D )
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assbot: The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PBVWiV )
mircea_popescu: but i am also very curious to hear out disagreement, especially from the esteemed peers living with young children.
mircea_popescu: "Last year, The Intercept published documents detailing the NSA's SKYNET programme. According to the documents, SKYNET engages in mass surveillance of Pakistan's mobile phone network, and then uses a machine learning algorithm on the cellular network metadata of 55 million people to try and rate each person's likelihood of being a terrorist." << hey, i'm sure they beat them at go, first!
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assbot: Using IPv6 with Linux? You’ve likely been visited by Shodan and other scanners | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJ72p5 )
assbot: Science with open hardware: A new way to restrict participation | Ars Technica UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJ9KL7 )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: lol
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shinohai: https://redd.it/461ts8 <<< Let's not include a fee because it's only $25
assbot: I selected "no fee if possible", it's been 5 hours. Am I boned? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnpBxA )
mod6: morning, just a heads up here. ben has been testing V for me, and we're going through it. might need another patch tonight.
mod6: will let you all know. thanks
BingoBoingo: ty mod6
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deedbot-: [Trilema] Eulora auction, February the 21st - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-auction-february-the-21st/
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: hey, i'm sure they beat them at go, first! << never knew people played go in pakistan
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: anyway rockets are so 20th c << I hope for warp drive by 22nd century.
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shinohai: What is that mircea_popescu, a human representation of the Ethereum pyramid scheme?
mircea_popescu: these are pubic beards not neckbeards.
shinohai: true! :D
shinohai: Not that Buterin can grow any facial hair.
BingoBoingo: Ah, Phillipinos!
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BingoBoingo: shinohai: Notice the darker skin on the dieselbag's legs suggest Beetus is already about to take them.
shinohai: I'm just wondering since she is sitting on the floor if there was a crane handy to help lift her after this photo was made.
BingoBoingo: Probably just kicked it into the rendering pot afterwards.
BingoBoingo: Then estherification and voila, diesel.
assbot: What was your favorite thing that the fats have ruined? | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrDUMc )
assbot: I'm sick of the shallow insecure people on this site : depression ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrE46u )
shinohai: There is a public pool just a few streets down from me. So many fat people were there last summer I wondered how all the water wasn't displaced.
assbot: Google Online Security Blog: CVE-2015-7547: glibc getaddrinfo stack-based buffer overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrFhL1 )
asciilifeform: ahahahahahahaha
asciilifeform: drep drep drepper
mircea_popescu: now that trb no longer uses it, is ok to burn it ?
asciilifeform: apparently
asciilifeform: would've been glorious if they'd fired it first
asciilifeform: empty the prb folks
asciilifeform: but that'd be burning prb, which is a no-no.
asciilifeform: (for anyone who forgot, prb still has hardcoded dns seed etc)
mircea_popescu: #b-a, the driving force behind internet security phenomena. since 2016.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, this should be qntra'd asap.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ALready started
asciilifeform: 'The glibc DNS client side resolver is vulnerable to a stack-based buffer overflow when the getaddrinfo() library function is used. Software using this function may be exploited with attacker-controlled domain names, attacker-controlled DNS servers, or through a man-in-the-middle attack.'
mircea_popescu: see if stackexchange burial team is at battlestations or not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform should be pretty lulzy to read the "never happened and if it did we did it first nayway" verbiage.
asciilifeform: naturally.
asciilifeform: at this point i would be greatly surprised to see anything else.
punkman: "Remote code execution is possible, but not straightforward. It requires bypassing the security mitigations present on the system, such as ASLR. We will not release our exploit code, but a non-weaponized Proof of Concept has been made available"
asciilifeform: 'We would like to thank .... blahblah ... Florian Weimer ...
asciilifeform: ... and the rest of the glibc team '
mircea_popescu: left a note in bitcoin-dev for maxilulz.
asciilifeform: 'The vectors to trigger this buffer overflow are very common and can include ssh, sudo, and curl.'
asciilifeform: is anyone still unclear why i did not and still do not want curl in vtron ?!!!!
mircea_popescu: totally, thank the people who put the hole in, it's because of their "hard work" that you have a hole to burn.
mircea_popescu: asshats.
punkman: " The code that causes the vulnerability was introduced in May 2008 as part of glibc 2.9."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that never was the unclear part. didja have a replacement was the unclear part.
asciilifeform: the replacement is manual loading of tarballs from wherever onto the build box.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: a la pgp.
asciilifeform: and the offloading of the built binary, via same.
asciilifeform: from, as i gather, elementary economic calculations, the enemy focuses almost all effort on real-time/net-connected crapola
PeterL: asciilifeform wasn't the thing you were describing, 'g', going to be for downloading stuff?
asciilifeform: PeterL: not precisely
asciilifeform: PeterL: it is supposed to be a generic cipherator for tcp tunnel
asciilifeform: but not released yet, and at this rate no idea if even releasable at all, i lack a cipher
asciilifeform: what i wanted was a generic, fits-in-head (a few 1000 lines of c, no deps) stateless, 'protocol-less' cipherator that one could put, e.g., ftp over
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assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 04:24:33; asciilifeform: i have a 0.8 node that does crash quarterly or so. bitcoin-msghand[15569]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000blahblah sp 0000blahblahblah error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also recall, i excised not only dns but glibc
asciilifeform: (in case you are thinking of writing this up for qntra etc)
assbot: Google Unveils Glibc DNS Client Vulnerability Many Bitcoin Implementations Affected | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHczf )
BingoBoingo: Currently seeking Corrections!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see above
asciilifeform: ~we nuked glibc entirely~
deedbot-: [Qntra] Google Unveils Glibc DNS Client Vulnerability Many Bitcoin Implementations Affected - http://qntra.net/2016/02/google-unveils-glibc-dns-client-vulnerability-many-bitcoin-implementations-affected/
asciilifeform: (rotor musl build)
asciilifeform: ^ what everybody here, i think, is using at this point
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ~we nuked glibc entirely~ << Nuked the NEED for glibc
asciilifeform: it no longer need exist on our planet.
asciilifeform: at least after emacs is fixed.
BingoBoingo: But could be built against glibc so I think my wording is correct.
asciilifeform: 'could' even be built on winblowz.
BingoBoingo: But any other corrections before SEO advances?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i would add in your article that the flagship trb boxes are running sans-glibc.
asciilifeform: and have been for many months.
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BingoBoingo: Noted, more can be added in comments by the knowlegable
assbot: Carlos O'Donell - [PATCH] CVE-2015-7547 --- glibc getaddrinfo() stack-based buffer overflo ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrHMwR )
mircea_popescu: The reference bitcoind -> The reference Bitcoin
assbot: GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients except for one | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrI6f1 )
assbot: GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients - except for one. : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrIj1X )
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asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
asciilifeform: guess wat.
asciilifeform: ^ this is a new one for reddit, traditionally they 'shadowban'
mircea_popescu: isn't that standard ?
felipelalli: !s openbsd
assbot: 761 results for 'openbsd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openbsd
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: fxd
mircea_popescu: exciting times.
asciilifeform: would be exciting, if i did not already know how this will go
asciilifeform: e.g., expect massive qntra ddos some time in the next few hrs
mircea_popescu: "it is forbidden to suggest solutions to the septic problem that involve any manner of removing shit from the stack"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not too worried bout that.
asciilifeform: the 'it never happened, and if it did, we had it first' thing has never failed to date.
mircea_popescu: aha. ever-more testing the bounds of insanity, too. it's fun to watch.
asciilifeform: florian weimer et al are 'security professionals' for 'fixing' holes after the fact (self-planted, but who will print this.) whereas we are 'nutters' for removing the cancerous tissue preemptively.
mircea_popescu: there is nothing wrong with this.
felipelalli: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384165 << asciilifeform why (about OpenBSD "needs to be helped die") do you think so?
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 15:13:09; asciilifeform: in principle, i like the lightweight, pedigreed, and 'hackable on' bsd family, e.g., netbsd. but imho openbsd is something that probably needs to be helped die
asciilifeform: felipelalli: try reading the thread ?
trinque: I read it, did not find it conclusive.
felipelalli: trinque, the same
mircea_popescu: but ask better question than "why do you think so"
asciilifeform: !s openbsd dbus
assbot: 5 results for 'openbsd dbus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=openbsd+dbus
trinque: so you don't like ports
mircea_popescu: in general - if the question you are about to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself the favour and save yourself the wrath.
trinque: this is distinct from talking about openbsd
asciilifeform: trinque: SO THE MOTHERFUCKING OS IS UNUSABLE
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trinque: this is absurd
asciilifeform: there is no openbsd sans the ports.
trinque: horse shit; I've built all manner of things myself
asciilifeform: as have i.
asciilifeform: a torn out kernel is not 'openbsd', it is bsd.
asciilifeform: the thing is an ensemble, like gentoo
asciilifeform: and normally used as such.
trinque: do you have a particular vintage of linux kernel you prefer?
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: alf hates the OpenBSD ports turdage which has lots of shitgnomery and the occasional userland shitgnomery
asciilifeform: trinque: vintage is not the right word
trinque: because from where I sit the most recent ones have an obscene amount of "features" bolted on which I do not use
asciilifeform: i have a number of kernels painfully prepared for different boxes
asciilifeform: that are quite entirely different
mircea_popescu: bespokeos
asciilifeform: and each took some days of manual sewing, to produce
asciilifeform: and i imagine most folks here have - same.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> there is no openbsd sans the ports. << The userland is enough for a webserver/firewall/etc box
felipelalli: At least they really care about security. I tried to compile Bitcoin Core in OpenBSD once but I couldn't (in a quick & dirt attempt).
trinque: ^ that much is true, and something I quite like
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand, if i can't build and run emacs and its dependencies, the os is fit for 'bury in concrete' only - e.g., router
asciilifeform: and quite likely not even this
asciilifeform: because whatever prevents a sane emacs build, is likely to interfere with other work
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But for many purposes that's all box needs to do. Emacs up the text somewhere else.
asciilifeform: in the case of openbsd, it is that virtually all of the major ports pull in dbus.
trinque: I can agree readily that's a sin
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is flagrantly unfit for battleship
BingoBoingo: Battle ship and frigate are different boats.
asciilifeform: and in fact its mere inclusion of dbus spoils the entire nominal flavour of 'sane and security-oriented'
trinque: it is whether linux is fit(ter) that I question.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 16:30:16; mircea_popescu: in general - if the question you are about to ask could come out of a psychanalist, do yourself the favour and save yourself the wrath.
asciilifeform: it is a rat-sized cockroach in a fine restaurant.
asciilifeform: right on my plate.
BingoBoingo: But anyways the enemy here is m:tier specifically
trinque: it causes me to seriously consider producing a ports tree of my own
asciilifeform: trinque: linux (at least a reasonably well-cultivated linux) is ispo facto 'fitter' on account of having the ability to build emacs sans dbus.
asciilifeform: understand, this is NOT negotiable.
trinque: I run without dbus as well, and understand fully why this is a Good Thing
asciilifeform: i was unable even to build most logging demons from ports
asciilifeform: because dbus.
asciilifeform: now the other thing about openbsd is the incident with theo and that microshit flunkie
asciilifeform: the one who approved spitting in mircea_popescu's face after the donation.
asciilifeform: and the one who presides over the 'hackathon' vermin while theo (who is afflicted with some peculiar stockholm syndrome) starves in a garret
mircea_popescu: i would say that openbsd pre 2014 and openbsd post 2014 are entirely unrelated entities.
asciilifeform: this is abundantly clear
mircea_popescu: the tenuous thread of theo's own person is not enough to keep this shit together, because he's too jwz-ish to engage the more important half - politics.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense... lizzards got petrified, moved in, stole it.
mircea_popescu: at least that's my interpretation of events.
BingoBoingo: ALso possible, Theo's wrath bit is losing sensistivity as he ages
asciilifeform: the more interesting question is how they managed to steal it without buying theo
trinque: I can see all this, yet meanwhile linux has hypervisors and keychains and complex abstractions around "namespaces" and "containers" and ...
BingoBoingo: They stole theo's inner circle.
asciilifeform: and the answer likely involves him having been surrounded by quislings for ~years~
asciilifeform: trinque: they are removable
BingoBoingo: Likely starting with the Bob Beck fellow
asciilifeform: this is key.
trinque: asciilifeform: yes, but did they not affect decisions elsewhere in the kernel?
asciilifeform: trinque: certainly
trinque: I have spent countless hours pruning a kernel config
asciilifeform: but there is not ~yet~ a linux kernel equivalent of dbus cancer
asciilifeform: though the systemd folks are working day and night, for this.
trinque: asciilifeform: were the dbusified ports tree otherwise, would that change your assessment of obsd?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the more interesting question is how they managed to steal it without buying theo << this is deeply uninteresting, as it's well documented. see for instance http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/#selection-89.0-89.179
assbot: The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJSkhr )
asciilifeform: trinque: i have nfi what ~else~ is systematically broken
mircea_popescu: the current crop of bois have all the patriotism of a wet noodle.
asciilifeform: only got as far as dbus.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately the highlight thing displays ~nowhere~ i've tried it on.
asciilifeform: not even crapple!
mircea_popescu: "the young man's father, a smart fellow who has bought hook line and sinker into the theory that satisfying the desires of women is more important than satisfying the needs of men."
asciilifeform: what do i need, to excatate ie6 ?!
asciilifeform: *excavate
mircea_popescu: it similarly works on everything i try, so i dunno. tis sad tho.
mircea_popescu: i really liked the indicating.
asciilifeform: possibly the folks for whom it works, should chime in ?
asciilifeform: re: what browser etc.
asciilifeform: but i still don't get (am i thick?) the point about 'the patriotism' of 'the bois'
mircea_popescu: so ask a q.
asciilifeform: what in this case means patriotism ? who are the bois ?
asciilifeform: where do i even begin
mircea_popescu: the boi, in this case, is theo de radt, but he's not so dissimilar from any other esl speaker.
mircea_popescu: patriotism, in this case, is a willingness to die to defend your territory, as you define it - NOT as some woman defines it.
asciilifeform: waitasec i thought he was from za ?!!
mircea_popescu: a fine example in this vein would be the case of a late night trip, during which a drunk hobo on the street started growling, and a random, accountant-looking bypasser yelled him down.
mircea_popescu: esl - english as a single language.
asciilifeform: yeah but is he ?
mircea_popescu: apparently.
asciilifeform did not know this.
mircea_popescu: people can have french loess without being ethnically french. it's a mental illness, not anything else.
trinque: the state is the ultimate owner of all property, so they told the bois. how then could anyone possibly have territory?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now think about it : would random usian engage hobo on the grounds that "fuck you, be quiet, you're living on MY street" on the simple grounds of ~having been passing by there~ ?
mircea_popescu: this is patriotism, in perhaps an extreme degree.
asciilifeform: can hardly picture this.
asciilifeform: maybe in 1900.
mircea_popescu: "it's my fucking street, because i am walking on it, and if you wish to be here, you'll play by my rules, all of them, right now"
mircea_popescu: obviously this makes it difficult to office drone.
asciilifeform: it is not only that 'office drone' has no knife and never swung a fist in his life and etc. as mircea_popescu probably imagines. though all of this is true. it is ALSO that the street is NOT HIS
asciilifeform: it is... a hotel.
asciilifeform: 'where is the man who will die for a hotel?'
mircea_popescu: which has its advantages.
mircea_popescu: and... its disadvantages
asciilifeform: i've lived in usa since '92. it remains, to me, a hotel.
asciilifeform: and not the swankiest possible hotel, either.
mircea_popescu: (i am not, as it may appear on the strength of the rarity of such arcane knowledge, proposing that this is some sort of better or ideal solution. it is merely different. lettuce not fall into 1900s orientalism over here.)
asciilifeform: just a 'roach motel.'
mircea_popescu: well... so now you see why exactly i say patriotism. who the fuck dies to defend... 8ball motels ?
asciilifeform: only an idiot
asciilifeform: or, perhaps, owner
mircea_popescu: yeah. meanwhile, as far as usable software is concerned, ownership is both an absolute bar to shitgnomery and as near as i can determine the only workable basis.
mircea_popescu: and so here we are.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what the kids [like to {pretend like they're}] think{ing}, coding ability is a relatively unimportant consideration. political ability, in the very simple sense of a mental capacity for ownership, is the larger half.
asciilifeform: who needs engine, when you have wheels!
asciilifeform: but elementarily, 'coding ability' as a concept is a lie
asciilifeform: the interesting variable here is the ability to ~select problems~
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00056339 = 19.775 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: (rather than what is normally presented as 'coding ability' in idiot industry, this being - quickly and accurately solving the non-problems posed by non-people)
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
trinque understands better (he thinks) the "keep it" in "a republic, if you can keep it", and also the absurdity of to whom that was supposedly addressed
mircea_popescu: it was said, amusingly... to a woman.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00056767 = 5.2793 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Reality distortion field "Bingo Boingo is 100% totally rational and completely unbiased. He is not at all a shill. Nope." https://archive.is/hNMQ7
assbot: Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability (Includes Core, Classic, and XT) : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20BF6DR )
mircea_popescu: so by this logic they don't believe in "bringing democracy" to various countries, because the people arguing for it are obvious usg shills ?
BingoBoingo: seriously
asciilifeform: imho the enemy simple isn't bleeding enough.
asciilifeform: why should the folks who ran glibc still have coin?
asciilifeform: *simply
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407058 << it never worked for me, which I think i pointed out when it was first deployed. Ironically, I was the inspiration for the select script being included into trilema in the first place. It works for me if I am the one who did the selecting.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 16:43:29; asciilifeform: possibly the folks for whom it works, should chime in ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so weaponize it and collect.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron weird.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform danielpbarron does it work for you on archive.is ?
danielpbarron: if if do the selecting, yes
danielpbarron: if you, i don't know
mircea_popescu: let's try.
assbot: Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability (Includes Core, Classic, and XT) : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20BFC4I )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: needs seat at network chokepoints.
asciilifeform: (to 'collect')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this link - works
danielpbarron: >> be biased, but this
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this possibru even.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 407.0, vol: 7801.02754879 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 407.858, vol: 8464.90993 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 407.88, vol: 17914.15908173 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 2.05746269 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 420.11415, vol: 40679.23460000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 407.25999, vol: 713.02806616 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 408.973656, vol: 75.03929666 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 414.360801002
assbot: That spiffy selection thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK0NBa )
trinque: mircea_popescu: that works over here in chrome
trinque: did not earlier
asciilifeform: still nothing.
asciilifeform: (also box with 'chrome')
assbot: House of games on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK3DGz )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ^
mircea_popescu: and trinque
asciilifeform: but... why ?
BingoBoingo: !up PaulCapestany
BingoBoingo: !up yamamushi
BingoBoingo: Hello PaulCapestany
PaulCapestany: sorry, new to this chat, what's the !up about?
PeterL: lets you talk
yamamushi: How does one go about starting out on the WoT ?
BingoBoingo: PaulCapestany: Yes, otherwise you can register a GPG key, introduce yourself, and mebbe voice yourself
yamamushi: Thanks
BingoBoingo: ^ that way
thestringpuller: the getting started page is a bit easier to follow tho
PeterL: !noob
PaulCapestany: thestringpuller: thanks, checking that out
PeterL: I guess that has not been implemented yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00056778 = 2.6118 BTC [+]
assbot: Nearly All Bitcoin Nodes Affected By Glibc DNS Vulnerability : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK5ScJ )
mircea_popescu: i am proud to announce that a piddle of ddos being currently measured isn't even remotely sufficient.
mircea_popescu: will need moar dakka.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: give'em time, it's lunch hour at ft meade now
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407146 >> purple, literotica-level nightmare. At some point, the woman actually says to her friend "this lighter looks like someone gave it to you". They're supposedly refined edumancated women sharin <<
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 17:36:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ?
mircea_popescu: i see "n A Soundstage - Among The Papier Machee, volume 8, and the make-up and blocking... good lord. Mamet's wife has that short cropped "rape & attempted suicide survivor" look sterile women " ;/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00056767 = 14.7594 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up xccxzx
assbot: Red Hat, Google Disclose Severe Glibc DNS Vulnerability; Patched But Widespread - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK77Zr )
BingoBoingo: ^ Qntra linked
trinque: mircea_popescu | asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/house-of-games/#selection-39.230-39.420 ? << works here.
assbot: House of games on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK3DGz )
mircea_popescu: trinque underlines what text ?
trinque: "purple, literotica-level nightmare. At some point, the woman actually says to her friend "this lighter looks like someone gave it to you". They're supposedly refined edumancated women sharin"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189033 @ 0.00056781 = 107.3348 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i see same on ff
mircea_popescu: aite then!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the blackout re: trb is more or less total, don't expect miracles
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Miracles. No. Just slowly building a history. This is how samizdat werkz nao.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you never said, does trilema selection as updated work for you asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: in last link - worked
assbot: The woman's fault on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RJSkhr )
mircea_popescu: possibly because cached page ?
asciilifeform: reload did not fix.
mircea_popescu: that's bizarre, they're all fed from the same place.
assbot: The top 3 best self-introductions in #bitcoin-assets to date on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK9vzr )
asciilifeform: displays.
asciilifeform: 'ReutersEmily Huh'
mircea_popescu: i'm calling it good.
asciilifeform: i suspect multiline doesn't work.
asciilifeform: because we had this thread before
asciilifeform: and 2-3 word examples mircea_popescu posts, work
asciilifeform: but the real thing - not.
assbot: The worm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RK9StM )
asciilifeform: works...
trinque: browsers can at times be exceedingly impolite when told to refresh.
BingoBoingo: !up PaulCapestany
BingoBoingo: !up yamamushi
thestringpuller: I would like to see a rating of webpage compatibility based on how usable it is in lynx or links
asciilifeform: this is reasonably machine-calculable.
asciilifeform: score based on absence of web20isms.
punkman: "works without javascript" is the important part, which is hard to calculate with machine
punkman: because I don't care whether it has 150 embedded webfonts . since I'm not loading them
deedbot-: [Qntra] Markets Favoring Man Over Machine In Upcoming Go Match - http://qntra.net/2016/02/markets-favoring-man-over-machine-in-upcoming-go-match/
mircea_popescu: no js is a reasonable proxy.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 406.17, vol: 8171.76179679 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 407.31, vol: 9123.2063 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 406.49, vol: 18764.66928457 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.0, vol: 1.62006337 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 419.983675, vol: 40585.68040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 405.915, vol: 788.53483152 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 409.58487, vol: 79.22826827 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 413.615274557
PaulCapestany: BingoBoingo hey, I registered my gpg key, apparently I need someone to rate me now?
mircea_popescu: !rate PaulCapestany 1 new blood
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/41ed47cd56f437d9
BingoBoingo: congrats
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.PaulCapestany.1:26e03f3f8070a43066e1e713b353905300404f25e96aae5814beef6d548bcd27
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for PaulCapestany with note: new blood
PeterL: PaulCapestany who are you? What brings you here?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00055971 = 18.9182 BTC [-] {3}
PaulCapestany: mircea_popescu thanks for the rating
PaulCapestany: PeterL I just kept hearing this IRC channel mentioned in various places, figured I'd check it out
asciilifeform: PaulCapestany: which places ?
phf: nsa.slack.com
PeterL: I just got this email at work: "In celebration of receiving a shipment of Baboon semen please enjoy a cream filled treat in the kitchen."
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mircea_popescu: lol PeterL
mircea_popescu: nice to work with people with a sense of homour
PeterL: "homour" - some sort of mesh of "homo" and "humour"?
mircea_popescu: just a little strategic dyslexia
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: *buried* on hn apparently
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise.
asciilifeform: i don't think i'll bother posting there again.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think our friend Rober V has alf hellbanned or something.
BingoBoingo: A wild Maxwell appears https://archive.is/7yuoi
assbot: Exclusive: Israel’s rash behavior blew operation to sabotage Iran’s computers, US officials say - Middle East - Jerusalem Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKk9WT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137450 @ 0.00056794 = 78.0634 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Why is the UK still printing its laws on vellum? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKkM2E )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: every time trb is mentioned on reddit, i see this crud re: 'important fixes.'
asciilifeform: what, precisely ?
asciilifeform: the prb folks never fail to disgorge this line
asciilifeform: but what are they talking about ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Luke-JR claimed that a rogue miner could push TRB nodes with blocks that aren't valid and fool them.
thestringpuller: But that seems not to be feasible in the wild.
punkman: hard to figure this out since they didn't note them in changelogs
punkman: or even commit messages
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I guess Luke-jr generalized it as "doesn't enforce softforks thus insecure"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: link ?
thestringpuller: one second
assbot: Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/20BX1u5 )
asciilifeform: punkman: quite useless page
asciilifeform: (none of the items mentioned therein match thestringpuller's description)
asciilifeform: what am i missing ?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: he was never actually even in their wot as far as i can tell
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> A wild Maxwell appears << it's not "i've asked some of the vagrants i know and they agree <insert random idiocy>" all over again, is it ?
punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2013-2293 sounds like the blackholing thing, maybe
assbot: CVE-2013-2293 - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/20BXZX7 )
shinohai: "The developers of that software put out a bounty to murder one of the developers of Bitcoin Core. Needless to say, no one sane will go anywhere near them." <<< KEK
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> mircea_popescu ? <<< you know, if you ask obama what exactly is his contribution past blind tom wiggins he'll also say "important security fixes". it is somehow inadherent to the common mentality of usians to flatly admit "nothing really - i'm just a nigger slave singing for massah, nothing changed in two centuries."
mircea_popescu: so they gotta pretend there's this mystical reservoir of metaphysics that'll readily provide differentiation qs.
asciilifeform: suspected as much.
punkman: did the power rangers ever find a remote code execution vuln?
asciilifeform: punkman: ~created~ plenty
mircea_popescu: we found them, then "they found them first".
asciilifeform: gotta understand how 'finding vulns' actually works.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller luke-jr also claimed bfl delivered his order. then it turned out it was a "prototype" and outright payola.
asciilifeform: generally it is a process resembling apiculture. no one individually orders a bee to pollinate a particular plant. bees - are introduced, do their thing. likewise dreppers.
mircea_popescu: he's a well known liar, next you're going to what, tell me what karpeles said ?
mircea_popescu: <shinohai> "The developers of that software put out a bounty to murder one of the developers of Bitcoin Core. Needless to say, no one sane will go anywhere near them." <<< KEK << needless to say, no one "sane" for that definition of sane has anything of any value or interest to offer, to anyone.
ben_vulpes: lol who said that
shinohai: For an extra 1 BTC we could erase MAxwell too!
asciilifeform: incidentally, who remembers how kennedy put $1 on fidel castro's head ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, castro's dollar bought more kennedy than kennedy's dollar bought castro.
asciilifeform: (legend has it that some former fucktoy of castro's got as far as his office, in hopes of claiming bounty, he handed her a pistol himself, 'do it', she did not)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14065 @ 0.00055638 = 7.8255 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407285 << 'Note that the attacker does not need to sign the inputs nor to have the full block-chain to perform the attack. He only requires the hashes of all previous transactions...' << why not check the sigs ~first~, before fetching anything ?
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 19:18:49; punkman: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVE-2013-2293 sounds like the blackholing thing, maybe
asciilifeform: handy kill.
phf: "important fixes" is the equivalent of "here be dragons" from medieval cartography
mircea_popescu: more like the equivalent of "domestic bliss" from the lulzy institution of singles-marriage.
mircea_popescu: that enchanted thing that never existed except in retrospect, when some derp is complaining to the judge that someone else "ruined it".
mircea_popescu: except if it were actually present, no "ruining" would have been possible
asciilifeform: incidentally i see no reason why any trb node ought to allow a tx (mempool, vs in-block) to consume more cpu time than it took to receive from the nic.
asciilifeform: as per the 'nobody gets jack shit just for showing up' law.
asciilifeform: ultimately, there are precisely two kinds of possible bitcoin node:
asciilifeform: 1) the kind that processes ALL INPUTS at LINE SPEED
asciilifeform: 2) the kind that is behind impenetrable and entirely nonpublic wall, a la gossipd, and deals only with cryptoidentifiable peers.
asciilifeform: tertium non datur.
asciilifeform: of course this is a trick question, because presently no box on the net is a (1)
asciilifeform: except possibly for a disconnected one.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: yea I can't find it. i don't feel like wasting more time on it. he basically just said, "This client is forked from out of date thing which is insecure cause rogue miner blah blah blah"
ben_vulpes: punkman: jpost bit is plarious
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: snore.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407297 << on that note, one time in his #yandere channel he lied about whether he was the yandere or not, and killed everyone :<
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 19:24:38; mircea_popescu: he's a well known liar, next you're going to what, tell me what karpeles said ?
punkman: ;;ud plarious
gribble: Google found nothing.
danielpbarron: when i play games in which i might be a secret bad guy type thing, I still don't lie about it. I just don't say anything one way or the other. This means not talking too much even as one of the good guys, so it won't look out of place when I'm a bad guy
ben_vulpes: punkman: pretty hilarious
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: yandere?
danielpbarron: a bot randomly assigns roles to anyone who wants to play, at least one of which is a murder guy called the 'yandere'
danielpbarron: the good guys have to figure out who he is over the course of days and nights. The yandere can optionally kill people at night
punkman: also known as "werewolf" or "mafia"
danielpbarron: there's lots of similar games; I prefer one called "The Resistance"
danielpbarron: where there are opponents of an oppresive distopian government as good guys, and goverment agent spies as bad guys trying to sabotage the missions
danielpbarron: requires a minimum of 5 players though, so it's nearly impossible to play
asciilifeform: i think we play this here...
punkman: heh
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danielpbarron: how does this bash command work? is that automatically submitted to b.b-a.link or am I supposed to use that dpaste to submit it manually?
punkman: it's submitted
danielpbarron: ah, cool
danielpbarron: !up grahvity|||
mircea_popescu: "* An example of Red Hat's "find and fix the whole issue, not just the obvious part", is shell shock. After the initial CVE for shell shock, several people proposed different ways of fixing it. Florian was one, he quickly worked on it and released a proposed patch. Over the next few days there were three MORE CVEs for shell shock, covering different variations on the same theme. Florian's initial patch covered all of t
mircea_popescu: hem, including the ones that hadn't been fully characterized when he proposed it. His approach was approved by general consensus and that's what we all use today - partly because he put in the time and effort to fix the broader issue, not just the specific case that had been identified. This approach means that sometimes it takes Red Hat a while to release a fix, but when they do, it's the right fix."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33845 @ 0.00055631 = 18.8283 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: apparently a nude statemet of "florian werner knew exactly what the hole was, to an extent larger than what was at the time specified" doesn't coalesce into "holy shit, florian weimer puts the security holes in there!"
mircea_popescu: why not ? how did he know ?
mircea_popescu: "security fixes!"
mircea_popescu: "hard work". bla-bla.
mircea_popescu: intentional self-castration is a helluva thing.
asciilifeform: brain-melting.
mircea_popescu: one ray morris.
asciilifeform: same story as, e.g., heartbleed.
asciilifeform: in the sense that b-a was the only publicly-visible hole in the 'consensus reality'
mircea_popescu: a, in that sense. yeah.
davout: ohai all
thestringpuller: hai davout
asciilifeform: hi davout
shinohai: o/ davout
asciilifeform: how's life among the minarets of al-paris ?
davout: noisy five times a day
asciilifeform: i saw a fella kneel down towards mecca on a sheet of ice, last weekend
asciilifeform: mega-dedication.
assbot: Toujours pas de solution pour mettre un terme aux prières de rue à Paris ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjtdTF )
davout: anyway, the glibc dns drama seems to be yielding large amounts of lulz and butthurt
davout: "we can't remove this thing from our code because it breaks some unnecessary feature, also random reasons maybe" <-> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46354z/most_bitcoin_clients_affected_by_glibc_dns/d027oy0
assbot: nullc comments on Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjto19 )
shinohai: maxwell is butthurt beyond words.
shinohai apply to butthurt: ( ::: [ ] ::: )
thestringpuller: ^-- that looks like an anus
davout: mircea_popescu: care to x.eur pl0x?
PeterL: thestringpuller are those freckles or pimples?
mircea_popescu: o hey there.
mircea_popescu: yeah on it.
mircea_popescu: davout feel free to remind them that they can keep whatever gunk they like in their IRRELEVANT distro. bitcoin foundation has bitcoin covered, nobody needs them for any purpose.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44417 @ 0.00056656 = 25.1649 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: shinohai> maxwell is butthurt beyond words. << feel free to link him to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2016#1407284
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 19:17:04; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> A wild Maxwell appears << it's not "i've asked some of the vagrants i know and they agree <insert random idiocy>" all over again, is it ?
mircea_popescu: this "experts" bullshit never gets old.
mircea_popescu: when will redditards learn that YOU DO NOT SPEAK AGAINST THE REPUBLIC ?
asciilifeform: our of curiosity, anybody know what maxwell does for a living ?
asciilifeform: *out of
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "for a living" ?
mircea_popescu: he eats the government cheese, just like everyone else in ebt land.
asciilifeform: but ~which~ cheese.
mircea_popescu: you know, the stuff they give for free at walmart ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20023 @ 0.00056795 = 11.3721 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: prolly not literally ?
mircea_popescu: ever met a 40 yo phd ?
mircea_popescu: yes literally.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: met hundreds
mircea_popescu: !up stec
Stec: oh, nice
Stec: hello all of
mircea_popescu: hi. who're you ?
Stec: Bitcoin enthusiast from Russia
punkman: asciilifeform: works at blockstream iirc
Stec: I have 5 full node
asciilifeform: punkman: ty. i suspected something of the kind.
mircea_popescu: Stec are you running trb on them ?
Stec: trb?
mircea_popescu: the real bitcoin. as opposed to the pr-bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: Stec http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << especially the mailing list.
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
BingoBoingo: My the logs accumulate after steppign away from the screen just a bit.
Stec: I think to install one
mircea_popescu: go for it. with the scripts mod6 provides it's a breeze
Stec: accidentally found trb
mircea_popescu: and iirc he was looking for more testers.
Stec: 5 nodes running on bitcoin core
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, knc is firing people.
Stec: what an idea trb?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where? Did the stabbing go to far? WHy are they brining guns into this?
Stec: clean code Satoshi
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well in the good tradition of shitcorps, they're opaque as mud, but apparently 20 or so.
mircea_popescu: Stec also get registered with assbot
Stec: what an idea trb?
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQkfe3 )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You got a submission with your knc truefax?
asciilifeform: Stec: рекомендую познакомиться с исходиками trb, не пожалеешь
BingoBoingo: K, I found a source in Swedish
Stec: Я так понимаю задумка этого проекта это чистый код от Satoshi
mircea_popescu: pretty much yes.
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asciilifeform: Stec: не совсем - вылечили некоторые глюки, и убрали всякое лишнее
Stec: Разве команда Bitcoin core отходит от задумки Satoshi
asciilifeform: Stec: шутишь ?
thestringpuller: ит от задумки Satoshi
Stec: XT отходит от задумки
Stec: Classic тоже
mircea_popescu: why do you suppose "the ideas of satoshi" are of any particular interest anyway ? or whatever is this.
Stec: погодите ребята, я не пойму. Я всегда думал что разработчики Core были только за идею Satoshi
mircea_popescu: what is "the satoshi idea" ?
jurov: ;;ticker --market bitcoin-central --currency eur
gribble: Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 365.1, Best ask: 370.96, Bid-ask spread: 5.86000, Last trade: 370.8, 24 hour volume: 76.79598587, 24 hour low: 353.02, 24 hour high: 370.84, 24 hour vwap: 365.74033294
Stec: Использовать единые правила, не делать хардфорки
asciilifeform: Stec: 'core' под пиндосским колпаком года 4-5
Stec: парни из classic делают разкол в сети
Stec: Раскол сети, это же плохо зачем нужны вообще форки в 2 мегабайта
deedbot-: [Qntra] KncMiner Cuts Of 20% Of Employees - http://qntra.net/2016/02/kncminer-cuts-of-20-of-employees/
Stec: двойная трата
Stec: Так значит Core и вся команда уже не следует постулатам Satoshi
Stec: trb не форк?
punkman: BingoBoingo: > "compromising 20% of their workforce"
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 21:13:52; asciilifeform: Stec: не совсем - вылечили некоторые глюки, и убрали всякое лишнее
BingoBoingo: punkman: ty, fxd used to using the other word more
asciilifeform: Stec: а в остальном - 0.5.3
Stec: Это же очень старая версия
Stec: но она чистая, я так понял
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo plox to make the link to "you dare offend mp with your inept posturing, you die" point.
Stec: у меня ноды работают все на 11.2
mircea_popescu: mayhap it helps some other idiots somewhere down the line.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I forget where did kncminer offend you. I'm juggling all the things right nao.
asciilifeform: Stec: после 0.5.3 - 'core' == торжество вредителей
thestringpuller: "yay lets work for this bitcoin company" ---- 5 months later ----> "oh no I got laid off!"
Stec: Я готов выделить пару серверов для trb
asciilifeform: anybody got a link to mod6's guide handy ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo weren't they one of the "supporters" of random forks ?
Stec: Вы думаете Core со временем угробит Bitcoin
Stec: Разве разработчики из Classic не сделают это раньше
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16486 @ 0.00056766 = 9.3584 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Who even knows anymore, but until the Pete Relations firm opens up shoop I'm trying to juggle all of the propaganda myself. I might add it if I see it or if you find it first perhaps comment it up.
BingoBoingo: Comments seems like fine place for gloating.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, not ot be an asshole, but anything past brief inserts is pretty noisy to anyone but the select few who happen to read the language/
BingoBoingo: !up Stec
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my work is done
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski seriously you gotta get on this MiniTruth business
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: fella says he wants to try trb.
asciilifeform: needs recipe.
Stec: I'm sorry, I would like to speak English but I know it is bad
thestringpuller: What is MiniTruth again?
thestringpuller: !s minitruth
assbot: 3 results for 'minitruth' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=minitruth
assbot: the_real_bitcoin [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/238YcVW )
Stec: Спасибо
assbot: Propaganda Machine - TV Tropes ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqfkkR )
Stec: asciilifeform откуда вы?
asciilifeform: Stec: 'мой адрес - не дом и не улица, мой адрес - советский союз' (TM) (R)
asciilifeform: let's try to stick to eng.
Stec: hah, ok
jurov: heh, советский человек ftw!
asciilifeform: Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb.
assbot: Logged on 15-01-2016 21:09:08; thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: KNC miner also committed as well.
mircea_popescu: should be a pretty good entry.
Stec: I have no problem to install a couple of three servers
BingoBoingo: Ah, you mean the fork where they said every pool had committed and Antminer was the only sucker who actually did?
mircea_popescu: great opportunity to improve your english also Stec :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, this was the "classic" fork.
asciilifeform: Stec: start by building the code. we don't distribute binaries.
asciilifeform: Stec: you need gcc on any reasonable unix. that's all. trb will build a new compiler, and with it will build itself.
phf: we have replace all bitcoin crypto with GOST 28147-89, next step own koi8-r cyrillic based c++ translator
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes, the classic fork where they advertise pretty much everyone but F2Pool on their page even today and many of the pools have since fucked off
asciilifeform: phf: don't forget the built in volkov kommander !11
BingoBoingo: But yes will add a note because 2 for 1 lulz
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha.
mircea_popescu: is volkov how you say norton in sputnik ?
assbot: Volkov Commander - a masterpiece of assembler programming ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjy6Mn )
phf: send transaction by copy f6 from left tab to right tab
Stec: you would know how I found you by accident, to the list of connected nodes
mircea_popescu: did we do the "xtg ruled" thing last time or not rly ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They still list Bitfury even though Bitfury led the "Let's all pull up our pants before MP gets here effort.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo considering they have no reputations or anything similar, they'll prolly list alf there next.
asciilifeform: l0lwutg
BingoBoingo: seriously.
danielpbarron: i made two comments on the /r/bitcoin redditard thing and they don't appear from archive.is point of view ; I think i recall a moderator explaining to me that my comments in particular require moderator approval
mircea_popescu: you be special!
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: make more accounts, reddit doesn't check that you use different browsers on the same machine to talk to yourself and make a one man lulz train
BingoBoingo: It's what the Phillipinos do
danielpbarron: that's not my style
danielpbarron: i won't even rejoin irc channels from which i have been simply kicked (not banned)
mircea_popescu: why would you.
danielpbarron: they can come apologize to me if they want me back
BingoBoingo: Hey, I'm just pointing out the limits of the broken
BingoBoingo: Reddit was made exactly for the Phillipino sort of astroturf spammer
assbot: KncMiner Cuts Of 20% Of Employees | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjyRF3 )
Stec: Classic 1000 is already connected nodes
assbot: 24-hour Charts - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjyTwP )
BingoBoingo: Stec: And a lot of them are on free AWS instances
Stec: I agree
Stec: To make it appear
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Update: KncMiner is also one of the many mining operations listed to this day as supporting the ClassicCoin fork (along with Bitfury, which led the backpedalling effort after it became obvious Classiccoin does not have nor can acquire the support of key players in the market.)" ?
ben_vulpes: but omg pulls from net
Stec: They outweigh the bulk of the total of connected nodes, and will split
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, fxd
BingoBoingo: Stec: I've only ever had 2 maximum classic nodes connected to any of mine at the same time.
shinohai: You must use a samovar to make the tea though, if you skip that step your bitcoind may function erratically.
Stec: Samovar, hah
Stec: Самовар это отличная штука
Stec: Частенько сапогом его раздувал
danielpbarron: and you need a slithy tove to make a samovar, and those are very hard to come by
Stec: :D
BingoBoingo: What is this samovar business. Real men Just throw lithium ion cells into their water with the tea leaves and a dash of salt.
BingoBoingo: "vent with fire"
Stec: hahha
BingoBoingo: !up Stec
assbot: IBM has just open-sourced 44,000 lines of blockchain code on GitHub | KnowNaija ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjA67q )
mod6: there may be problems here: <+asciilifeform> Stec: let us know if you have any problem building trb.
mod6: these instructions are out of date
mircea_popescu: are 44k lines of crap better than merely 34k lines of crap ?
phf: BingoBoingo: there's basically a ru equivalent of throwing lion cells, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/7/7d/Кипятильник.JPG
asciilifeform: phf: you can get these in usa
asciilifeform: i have one.
mod6: this is the script that should be run to build: http://www.mod6.net/btcf/build-bitcoind-V99996_2.sh
mod6: Stec: ^
phf: asciilifeform: i'm having trouble finding one that doesn't burn out
Stec: ok
BingoBoingo: phf: That just gets hot, doesn't vent fire
trinque: shinohai: reads like they redid ethereum
shinohai: trinque: yup, they figured out it is utter shit so they open sauced and hope someone can fix it.
BingoBoingo: phf: Looks a lot like "engine block heater" pretty common in mod6's corner of USia
assbot: ScatoshiNukamoto comments on Most Bitcoin Clients Affected By GLIBC DNS Vulnerability ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDB8Yp )
ben_vulpes: > blockchain suit
ben_vulpes: > suit
mircea_popescu: and the land of the lounge lizzards!
trinque: sounds like a sweet suit
ben_vulpes: wrap me in blocks
ben_vulpes: chain me to sleep
ben_vulpes: carbonate my foes
thestringpuller: carbonate ben_vulpes enemies into a nice ginger ale
thestringpuller: enemies tears*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73748 @ 0.00055854 = 41.1912 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: drop enemies into centrifuge
ben_vulpes: reduce to liquid
ben_vulpes: pipe liquid into biodiesel reactor
ben_vulpes: burn for electricity
ben_vulpes: centrifuge next derp
ben_vulpes: repeat
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: are you familiar with the infamous mouse table ?
asciilifeform: ^ afaik, the first carnivorous robot
asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes just woke up, he's in for a mega-log
asciilifeform: or hm nm
thestringpuller: it's like 9am hippie-ville time
danielpbarron: oh hey my reddit comments got approved! waddayaknow
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm just going to skip over all the rutalk
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not missing much
ben_vulpes: also, did symbolics make an awesome spreadsheet editor?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why would you need a spreadshit on a box where you can dynamically conjure a porthole into $arbitrarydatum onto the display ?
mircea_popescu: because.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand women, alfie.
asciilifeform: waiwut?!
mircea_popescu: you expect excel spread sheets are a UTILITY ?
asciilifeform: and if used as 'boss screen', can make one wherever?
mircea_popescu: they are a security.
mircea_popescu: they exist to assuage existential anxiety as experienced by females.
asciilifeform: is this still called 'boss screen' or am i behind the times.
mircea_popescu: nothing to do with that.
asciilifeform: then i have nfi?
mircea_popescu: it's not fear. it's anxiety.
asciilifeform: what anxiety ? why females
mircea_popescu: anxiety is a subjective experience of loss of control. tends to be females because of accidents of their anatomy leave a mark in the early psyche.
mircea_popescu: but boys can be taught to live in the same terms np, and plenty do.
mircea_popescu: (george costanza's famous "Ear puberty, nose puberty, knuckle puberty. You gotta be vigilant!" is quite a fine example in that vein.
asciilifeform: even with this,
asciilifeform: more effective number diddler ought to give stronger illusion of control ?
mircea_popescu: not really, the control isn't over the interaction of numbers. the control is over the possibilities of existence.
mircea_popescu: the more powerful the tool actually is, the more it exposes possibilities, necessarily. and perversely, the more threatening it is to the typical she-office drone.
mircea_popescu: note the acceptance of computers in society as an exact mirror of the use of windows and apple. it's a thing.
asciilifeform: 'visicalc' was a hyperbestseller before all of this, no ?
asciilifeform: ~1mil copies iirc
mircea_popescu: what's 1mn ?
asciilifeform: just the ones ~paid for~
mircea_popescu: if you couldn't find a million not-outright-insane individuals the species would be in serious trouble huh ?
mircea_popescu: we're not discussing the top 1mn here.
asciilifeform: !s visicalc
assbot: 0 results for 'visicalc' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=visicalc
mircea_popescu: we're discussing the bottom five billion.
asciilifeform: y'know, the first electronic spread-shit
assbot: VisiCalc: Information from its creators, Dan Bricklin and Bob Frankston ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjEXFv )
mircea_popescu: at about the same time, most dudes with computer knowledge were trying to get their so/fuckdoll/cook to try computers, and dollars to donuts she said no because what if she breaks it, and he assured her she can't break it, being the idiot that he was, and that assurance didn't do anything.
thestringpuller: visicalc is the greatest thing ever tho
assbot: VisiCalc : Software Arts : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjF1oR )
mircea_popescu: because of the unspoken "but what if IT breaks ME, you won't fix ME will you".
thestringpuller: proves 100% that excel is the biggest turd ever marketed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i confess that i haven't the faintest notion what is meant here
mircea_popescu: but ask a question! what error message is this!
asciilifeform: what kind of animal says 'what if it breaks me!'
asciilifeform: am i just not enough zoophiliac?!
mircea_popescu: ~unspoken~
mircea_popescu: must read all the words!
asciilifeform: make that 'what kind of animal unspokenly moos...'
assbot: Dog gets credit for stopping sexual assault in southeast Missouri : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGdoIE )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine they'd also have a face you don't care for.
asciilifeform: was thinking this also.
asciilifeform: 'i would not, could not, in the zoo! i would not, could not, with a moo'
mircea_popescu: and why not ?
mircea_popescu: gets slippery all the same.
asciilifeform: i haven't a good why. why won't mircea_popescu do short chicks ?
asciilifeform: goats ?
asciilifeform: chickens ?
mircea_popescu: i confess i actually did a chick that was short and otherwise built entirely like a 12 boy. well, minus the penis, but boobs as big as mine et al.
mircea_popescu: so... don't laugh at the goat, you never know when you'll be riding one.
mircea_popescu is kinda half-expecting bb to marry 300lb worth of love.
mircea_popescu: actually her boob is on trilema somewhere
BingoBoingo remembers that one from the logs, the annoying one with Candidiasis.
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?!
asciilifeform: anyway my point was not to make fun of the predicament of zoophiliacs, but to confess that i am mostly ignorant of these
asciilifeform: i have nfi what it is really like to have a moo in the house, in the bed.
asciilifeform: and how anyone lives with this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me ask you this, would you prefer a bricked phone to a phone that randomly starts beeping and running interference with your display ?
asciilifeform: i imagine this is how castration cults are born.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: brick.
mircea_popescu: so there's your explanation.
mircea_popescu: "at least the stupid one shuts up."|
asciilifeform: does it ?!
mircea_popescu: yeah. stupid people are never given enough credit. they're broadly speaking pliable, reliable and altogether pleasant.
asciilifeform: in my experience, stupid more or less == 'won't shut up without physical gag'
mircea_popescu: it's mediocre people that have been miseducated that are unbearable.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait wut ?! << The SSBBW who did the pay for tits thing on Trilema and kept popping up in channel for a while trying to peddle more pictures of fold mold.
shinohai: I missed that, a fattie on trilema?
mircea_popescu: da fuck ?!
assbot: I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGefZN )
shinohai: I have seen 3 whale dominatrices on reddit that accept Bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: You mean dominmayos
mircea_popescu: lol i completely forgot that.
shinohai: pete_dushenski, just the gentleman I wished to see ...
shinohai: was wondering what height your node was at ...
shinohai: and if you were still experiencing any disconnects?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A severe anti-optimization of drunkeness is where one doesn't get to pick the parts they remeber.
mircea_popescu: lol i bet.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: strangely, almost unprecedentedly, the 99996_2 node is running very smoothly atm. it's at 334k. the difference ? only -connect to a single node instead of 3-5.
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 21:28:51; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski seriously you gotta get on this MiniTruth business
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: wait which one was she on the update list?
thestringpuller: none of those girls look like fat people
shinohai: Mine barfed earlier but has been running fine abt 3 hrs. 316516 height
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 21:26:21; asciilifeform: anybody got a link to mod6's guide handy ?
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2016 22:49:54; asciilifeform: 'i would not, could not, in the zoo! i would not, could not, with a moo'
thestringpuller: would you like some more gnu?
pete_dushenski: i guess guide != script eh
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 22:56:16; SquirtPrincess: http://imgur.com/MwtIflI
trinque: link's even staler than before
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/8b5hM << qntra on top of buttcoin. lulz in itself!
assbot: Buttcoin: backed by gold, comedy gold! ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjH4sW )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know... whatever you planned to do
mircea_popescu: congrats to all the shills.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: I think it was deleted
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Happens rather frequently compared to /r/bitcoin
pete_dushenski: shinohai: my host also just sent me an email apologising for their recent performance and offering next month free as compensation, so i wouldn't be surprised if that was causing the auto-deaths at least.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo which is the free speech one ?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Your eyes should be thankful
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: /r/btc
BingoBoingo: the /r/BTC is roger VERified
thestringpuller: all who do not accept bitcoin jesus as their cryptolord and savior are ostracized
shinohai: The top two comments on r/btc are tweets from A.A. Is this Russia Today now?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i planned things now ? hm. best re-read those logs. particularly http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-09-2015#1288874
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2015 19:36:25; pete_dushenski: ima mull it over and research a little further into this 'pr' business
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, your adoring pubic is waiting for a decision Lebron.
pete_dushenski: needless to say, i've been poking at it. still not 100% convinced.
pete_dushenski: don't make me have a prime time tv press conpherence
BingoBoingo: Maybe start some dry test runs? Force a meme or something?
pete_dushenski: i'd consider those letters i wrote to peck and lee as 'dry test runs' but mebbe not enough forced meme!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48052 @ 0.00055889 = 26.8558 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: from the mines, "The [core] reference client isn't reallly intended to be used as a wallet. It's more for nodes and miners. Use hardware wallets, or electrum, or basically anything other than core for a wallet. If you're running core, just think of it as a node your more secure wallet connects to."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00055704 = 26.1809 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.00056173 = 24.9408 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: antpool jacks all hashpower for classiccoin blocks
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: We spell it AA without the periods
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00055632 = 30.0413 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: poor mats, he is using irccloud
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42370 @ 0.0005638 = 23.8882 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: !rate BingoBoingo 2 Thank you for help with first Qntra submission.
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shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.BingoBoingo.2:224302a371012a7e132efb7105dc1ccb57a0e4c9a250ee792ac66b5243bdf4a8
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 1 to 2 with note: Thank you for help with first Qntra submission.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92750 @ 0.00056829 = 52.7089 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: werd up
shinohai: how goes it
mod6: *whew* busy.
mod6: gonna grind on this stuff tonight
mod6: you?
ben_vulpes: i have been poking holes in poor mod6's v implementation for days now
mircea_popescu: dun stress him out now, ye hear ?
mod6: he's doing good work.
mod6: just trying to get everything back into sync
ben_vulpes: to be fair quite a few looked to be my fault for using old vdiff versions and other inane pebkacs
assbot: GLibc remote exploit affects all Bitcoin clients - except for one. : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LrIj1X )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00056481 = 30.4433 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 38450 @ 0.0004795 = 18.4368 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: the hn post appears to have been zapped entirely.
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise.
asciilifeform: gotta love the old sack of shit, never disappoints.
mircea_popescu: LOW QUALITY!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: hn is lost because ninjashogun is their "spam filter"
mircea_popescu: hahaha what
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You forgot?
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun is the hn forum janitor
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i never saw any reason to believe anything from the mouth of mr spam
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: His being mr spam is why he was cheap hire for that
hanbot: i thought he was the hn forum jester. they gave him a bucket?
BingoBoingo: I thought they did
BingoBoingo: They needn't even pay him money, but proximity to his church Altman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19887 @ 0.00056351 = 11.2065 BTC [-]
hanbot: i'm sure he's paid in "ideas", as much as i'm sure they'd fail just as hard without him driving a mop
BingoBoingo: They prolly just give him the chance to be heard by various incarnations of Eliza
mircea_popescu recalls from his college days that most kids preferred taking exams with easy teachers over taking exams with good teachers.
mircea_popescu: so... win-win, as they say in loserland.
BingoBoingo: In other news the latest spammers to buy /. actually ask the users what they want http://slashdot.org/poll/2973
assbot: Slashdot Poll | Regarding videos on Slashdot, should we: ... ... ( http://bit.ly/1WqyhnA )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46513 @ 0.00055669 = 25.8933 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up itkin
BingoBoingo: !up joshbuddy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/brown-0070.pdf << for possible reprocessing into loltronium ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Will have to wait 2+ hours. Have to go to cult meeting.
BingoBoingo: But will look
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131400 @ 0.00055978 = 73.5551 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24095 @ 0.00055978 = 13.4879 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mega-blackhole-action today, incidentally.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24505 @ 0.00055828 = 13.6807 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform qntra stayed online, note.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31327 @ 0.00056412 = 17.6722 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose i underestimated the power of the magical nobody-giving-half-a-fuck field
mircea_popescu: oh, that's what it is.
asciilifeform: for the lack of other hypothesis ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00056735 = 12.0846 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Judge Forces Apple to Help Unlock San Bernardino Shooter iPhone - NBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkwNq8 )
mircea_popescu: !up eamonnw
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the other hypothesis is that republican servers > nsa powers.
shinohai: !rate danielpbarron 2 Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~
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assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielpbarron from 1 to 2 with note: Eulorian Elder and priest of tmsr~
shinohai: ^ did not want to scan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68686 @ 0.00056886 = 39.0727 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: i spent a good spell watching tcpdump with eyeballs
asciilifeform: tcpdump -nnXSs 0 port 8333
asciilifeform: on zoolag, to be specific
asciilifeform: which has been in a black hole state, about 90% of the time, for the past hour.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66114 @ 0.00056956 = 37.6559 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: curiously enough, it turns out that,
asciilifeform: a blackholed trb does not fall silent, but actually is maintaining links with a number of existing peers (bouncing inv's, etc)
asciilifeform: just, not accepting new connections, nor processing tx.
phf: re shinohai's raiting, come to think of it future tmsr~ weedings ought to be officiated by danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: o boy. does tmsr recognize marriage with goat ? woman ? no less than 3 ? what ?
mircea_popescu: there's no v-marriage is there ?
phf: topic needs a debate thread
mircea_popescu: preferably on hackereddit.
mircea_popescu: or wait what was that myspace called... twitterbook ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: since we're doing ru theme today, then, pertinently, 'Взял невесту тиху-скромну В чистом поле под кустом, Остра шашка была свашкой,— Штык булатный был дружком.'
mircea_popescu: is this a continuation of the "honey, for a bitcoin i make the holes" ?
asciilifeform: ('i took a bride, quiet and modest, in the field, under a bush, sharp saber was my matchmaker, bayonet - my best man')
assbot: Чёрный ворон (песня) — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1QkzwjB )
asciilifeform: (for n00bz, old s0ng, of a soldier to a raven who is picking at his still-living flesh)
danielpbarron: i'd imagine you could have a marraige contract signed between husband and father
danielpbarron: wife doesn't need a key
mircea_popescu: as per alf's earlier pronouncements, who'd want a wife like that ?
asciilifeform: keyless wife is liable to get switcheroo'd, also
mircea_popescu: i dun think i could be bothered to plow an unkeyed field tbh.
mircea_popescu: let the ravens do it.
danielpbarron: well i've given this some thought, and i just don't see the point of the wife signing anything about it as she should now act as one flesh with her new husband; if she needs something notarized, let him do it for her
mircea_popescu: why not let her do it for him ?
danielpbarron: that too
danielpbarron: but the point is they are as one key, one flesh
mircea_popescu: it\s a slippery problem.
danielpbarron: it's like the penny auction collsion problem
mircea_popescu: in the old days, woman wouldn't generally appear too trustworthy before she had fucked most everyone. but it's a truly complex point to communicate.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: unless you are a telepath, you might want to remotely operate the wife and need key
mod6: how do i know who im talking to
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: how do you issue an order, or take a dispatch, from a keyless animal ?
danielpbarron: well you could have an unpublished key to use for that purpose
danielpbarron: but that's not the same as an assbot registered key
mircea_popescu: what is this "unpublished key" ?
danielpbarron: a key that only you and her know
mircea_popescu: P stands for protocol, not for promise.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and after you wed the bayonet on the field ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron since that'd have to be single use, you're better off with otp
asciilifeform: how does wife relay ?
danielpbarron: so use otp then
mircea_popescu: but otp can't sign.
danielpbarron: why does everything need to be a cow or how does it go?
mircea_popescu: how do you communicate the concept of "her ladyship died this morn" if she has no key ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: but that is precisely the picture you have drawn: keyless cow.
asciilifeform: yes, one can marry cow.
asciilifeform: but this has distinct down-sides.
mircea_popescu: can one ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely sure i'd recognize cow marriage. heck, im doubtful about same gender marriage.
asciilifeform: in a strictly psychiatric sense.
danielpbarron: wives are not that much unlike cattle are they?
mircea_popescu: i thought phf was trolling us with tmsr sense.
asciilifeform: the way people 'marry' bricks, forks, the color purple.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron depends on the wife.
danielpbarron: aren't you the one that said there should be a market for wives or something?
mircea_popescu: computers aren't much unlike shoe boxes, either.
mircea_popescu: but this is not something anyone relishes.
phf cackles
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron plox to link me!
mod6: part of this goes back to, "that sovereigns and sovereigns alone are entitled to anything they may take for themselves," ; as a sovereign you make take the brides you wish, but if you want to make it a deed, signatories must be in the wot.
assbot: #Eulora log for Sunday, 2016-02-14 ... ( http://bit.ly/1U6Pjbu )
danielpbarron: >> but the trade in mates is intended to be a major economic factor.
mircea_popescu: that's in eulora!
mircea_popescu: well it's a game, set in a fantasy medieval-ish setting!
mircea_popescu: it has the power of prayer, magic and all sorts of bizarre.
danielpbarron: it's the most realistic game i ever played
mircea_popescu: this it may well be.
mircea_popescu: this aside, the trade in mates has been historically and will permanently remain a major economic factor. as unwilling to admit people may find themselves. nevertheless, it's rarely an actual market.
mircea_popescu: (trade does not need a market to happen, note)
danielpbarron: true i wouldn't call it any sort of market
danielpbarron: or it's more of a decentralized trade
danielpbarron: prospective husband goes to father of prospective wife
mircea_popescu: more of a doublespoken one, too. hence veblen goods and the trillion a year cosmetics industry.
danielpbarron: or guy finds young girl in field, takes her, father insists they now marry
mircea_popescu: it's not entirely clear father has much say.
danielpbarron: king has say
mircea_popescu: how do kings work in a republic ?
danielpbarron: they get killed
mircea_popescu: you seriously proposing someone should get killed because dude stumbled over nude girlie ?
danielpbarron: wait who should be killed in that situation?
mircea_popescu: a little death. let's not exaggerate.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm trying to follow what you';re saying here.
danielpbarron: i meant in a republic the king gets killed
mircea_popescu: well then he can't have much say can he ?
mod6: for instance, what if the king of jordan wanted to be in TMSR? why wouldn't autocrats be able to be in the wot?
mircea_popescu: mod6 i don't see why he couldn't be.
mod6: just because 'king' doesn't mean they still can't get neg rating
mod6: so, no problem.
danielpbarron: i guess i was imagining the reverse, a republic under a king
mircea_popescu: well, it does mean they can afford to pay if they fuck something up, so neg rating kinda less likely.
mod6: but still, individuals may come, and try, there's a fresh crop every year.
mod6: further, some make it, most don't.
mod6: and also in other news... I'm going to publish a one line change to add a bit more strictness (less fuzz) to the map building part of V -- was basically overlooked on the last beta patch (#3). So this one will be #4, and barring any further big issues, this should be it.
mod6: Should be ready for a new V release by the weekend.
mod6: This will allow for us to get everything back into sync; new V, new build script, new instructions in the wiki.
mod6: Then I can finally turn my attention to what I said I was going to do this month: the makefiles.
mod6: :]
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 14:13:21; polarbeard: works like a charm, here is a patch for removing some unused functions if somebody is interested: https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/patches/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch https://github.com/polarbeard/trb/blob/master/sigs/polarbeard_rm_unused_functions.vpatch.polarbeard.sig
assbot: polarbeard_rm_unused_functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1U6QcAU )
phf: (my press is still broken though, because i want to have all the patches that were ever produced in there, even the conflicting ones, and simply throwing them into a pile seems to not work. i'll figure it out sometime this week)
mod6: Since it's getting brought up... TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS: Thank you for your hard work and submissions. Please hang on to your vpatches, or send them to the BTC-Dev mailing list and we'll get to them post release for review & regrind if accepted.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00056016 = 14.172 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: pretty cooo mod6
mircea_popescu: but gotta give a 2nd tree some thought for ppl to do experimental work on.
mod6: oh yes. at first thought, this seems like a much needed thing.
phf: maybe press a new genesis with skull&crossbones in comments of header of every file. patch file contents will be identical, but hashes all different
mod6: i even had a thought, and im not even sure its feasible technically or just logically, but; we could perhaps create a wrapper for gnu patch where we strip out lines that are surrounded with "%%" or something similar to how it does with "@@", this would ultimately be needed in vtron as well to avoid issues. But the thought is, then we could put comments directly in the vpatch (surrounded by '%%') and
mod6: then if V sees one of these comments with "%% EXPERIMENTAL %%" then it builds a seperate flow
mod6: heck, i dunno, i gotta sit and think on it for a while.
mod6: that maybe a horrible idea. lol.
mod6: anyway, i'll think about how to make this a thing.
mircea_popescu: why not use the current comment symbol ?
mircea_popescu: b ut no, you do not wish to introduce state.
mod6: yah, see. not well thought out mod6.
mircea_popescu: different genesis makes different tree, it's all there.
mod6: ima think about it though, probably try some different things.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Ben Carson will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1204/ben-carson-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b13
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85350 @ 0.00056981 = 48.6333 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 398779 | Current Difficulty: 1.4411644784734866E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 399167 | Next Difficulty In: 388 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: Node Height: 317516 (79.6%)
mod6: how's that rollin along for ya?
shinohai: good so far, got stuck a bit earlier, restarted node unclogged.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57165 @ 0.00057025 = 32.5983 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76150 @ 0.00055961 = 42.6143 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 4 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tnh3YL )
shinohai: ^ will do first thing in the a.m.
mod6: np, gonna give an additional step here in a sec.
mod6: so what would be great here, is if you apply the patch, or use the v.pl attached to the email (check the sigs ofc), then start clean, do a fresh `./v.pl i http://thebitcoin.foundation`, and then press out the entire tree, `./v.pl p v v054 asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch`, then `cd v054` and run that find command at the top of this pastehttp://dpaste.com/2SQ1VZ7.txt
mod6: You should end up with the exact same sha512 hashes as listed in the paste. Let me know, either way.
mod6: Thanks in advance everyone. Salud!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/brown-0070.pdf << for possible reprocessing into loltronium ? << I'd need more context on the details motivating the dismissal
phf: mod6 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^
phf: source patched with http://paste.lisp.org/display/307448, run with a folder as argument and it'll prepend a header based on some conditions (rtfs) to all files
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141200 @ 0.00055952 = 79.0042 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: phf: cool
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67200 @ 0.0005591 = 37.5715 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00057062 = 10.6706 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: In other news when I was at the store today acquired 1lb carbon zinc battery for great justice
BingoBoingo: Not sure if exactly one pound, but given it's heft that's what it feels like.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where do these go ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: for great justice
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, 6v "floating lantern" to toss into trunk of car and hopefully forget for 3 years until it needs replacement
asciilifeform: why not cranked lantern?
mircea_popescu: this fucking climate is beyond comprehension. IT GETS LOTS WARMER AFTER THE SUN SETS.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because if I need lantern light I'm probably going to need enough light to illuminate active worksite
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is 1 am 5 degrees above 1pm ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Welcome to my world. Several days last week high of the day was immediately before sunrise.
mircea_popescu: is it some weird like "during day air moves off river, but at night direction change, hot air moves from plain towards river" or somesuch ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Precise monster zinc carbon went into is "everready dolphin" which walmart had on clearance, for same price as blue pogo which has moved still further down.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here it's "so much plains air moves with impunity"
deedbot-: [Qntra] Western Constitutional Hero Denied 8th Amendment Right To Make Bail - http://qntra.net/2016/02/western-constitutional-hero-denied-8th-amendment-right-to-make-bail/
BingoBoingo: ^ Far more interesting that Barret Brown likely going stoolie
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122017 @ 0.00055917 = 68.2282 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36633 @ 0.00055439 = 20.309 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: whossat again ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Barret Brown was "Anonymous" namefag journalist.
punkman: still not sold on the dual genesis, but if the foundation moves forward with this model, I suggest the new genesis is the release/production/stable branch and the existing genesis the experimental one.
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