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ben_vulpes: so cusp -> cuspy -> cuspily
ben_vulpes: it ain't conjugation 'cause it ain't a verb, (and this question clearly makes me an "ESL" speaker) so what is the linguistic term of art for constructing language elements like this?
mircea_popescu: there isn't a "like this"
mircea_popescu: in general, re parts of speech, it's called flexion.
mircea_popescu: verbs have conjugations, nouns have declensions.
mircea_popescu: there's also derivation, when stems are altered to fit concepts.
mircea_popescu: verbal flexion follows tense, aspect and number accord with the nouns. it also applies to adverbs in some languages. noun declension follows case and number. these are grammar rules.
mircea_popescu: derivation on the other hand is how you obtain lesser from less, or beautiful from beauty, so it's prolly what you were after.
ben_vulpes: c'est possible
ben_vulpes: i'm frustrated by having been taught a myriad of languages (to retard-level competence only), but NEVER LATIN
mircea_popescu: that's unfortunate.
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ben_vulpes: nothing like the forum to point out the inadequacies of one's history
mircea_popescu: anyway, most latin speakers in the history of that language learned it as adults.
mircea_popescu: the fate of all successful empires.
ben_vulpes: i have only learned programming languages as an adult
ben_vulpes: i just referred to myself as an adult
ben_vulpes: i suppose a 'learn latin as an adult' strategy is going to take a few weeks to cook up.
mircea_popescu: what's the rush.
ben_vulpes: every day i'm closer to dying and my myelin sheaths less conductive?
mircea_popescu: that's a myth.
mircea_popescu: what was i saying ?
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mircea_popescu: (incidentally the fucking point of myelin is to not conduct. it's the dielectric in the arrangement.)
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asciilifeform: aha like the nylon in coax cable
asciilifeform: !s myelin
assbot: 8 results for 'myelin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=myelin
asciilifeform: see ^ old mega-thread.
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assbot: Logged on 14-02-2016 05:43:45; ben_vulpes: i'm frustrated by having been taught a myriad of languages (to retard-level competence only), but NEVER LATIN
asciilifeform: srsly languages aren't hard , wtf
ben_vulpes: i simply have not yet
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mircea_popescu: hehe nice punkman
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punkman: lol "Several hospital staff members said the computer system was hacked and was being held on a ransom of 3.4 billion in bitcoins" http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/FBI-LAPD-Investigating-Hollywood-Hospital-Cyber-Attack-368703121.html
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mircea_popescu: lol @x.eur
mircea_popescu: !up Bettermint
mircea_popescu: punkman srsly, 3.4bn ?!
BingoBoingo: Well, it's hollywood. Could be those Best Koreans again...
mircea_popescu: actually a sort of commedia could be made where a fake bitcoin internet group attacks the hollywood fake hospital they use in films, and encrypts their made up records to be recovered upon payment of large sum in scamcoin.
BingoBoingo: It just seems very Best Korean to focus on the entertainment industry and not... literally anything else.
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punkman: probably typo, like the qntra posts that turn billions to millions, but in reverse
punkman: actually surprised that no altcoin inventor yet has come up with ransomware as a feature
punkman: "our new wallet features built-in ransomware and keylogger"
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mircea_popescu: "give your friends the gift of blackmail!"
mircea_popescu: (actually - this is a pretty well represented subculture, contrary to what intuition may be telling you)
BingoBoingo: Apparently a new spambot turn on while I was sleeping: "I sat up in a cold sweat. Had someone's hand rellay been over my mouth or was I dreaming. My hotel room was pitch black save for the dim glow of my laptop screen. The Boingo application blinked angrily at me as the wifi had obviously been interrupted suddenly. My midnight snack, a half-eaten cream puff, lay awkwardly on the floor.Suddenly, I heard a wicked scream just before
BingoBoingo: a dark figure in the corner started moving toward me. I tried to roll out of bed but realized my feet were tied to the bed. What the hell was happening?"
BingoBoingo: AI at work
mircea_popescu: sounds like women in text.
BingoBoingo: Another machine generated gem: Stop screaming I was thknniig wait that was me screaming. Where is Cream Puff? I told them we shouldn’t come to the Boingo house. Everyone knows it’s haunted. There are all sorts of wicked smells coming from the basement and now the basement has Cream Puff. Who knew what sort of ghoulish things they may do to her then I see her … it’s Cream Puff I think….she came from the back of the house.
BingoBoingo: Her eyes all glazed over; her body shaking. She never was the same dog after the Boingo house that fateful Halloween night.
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mircea_popescu: maybe save these for reddit ?
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Out of 50 these were the only ones of interest
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BingoBoingo: In other news facebook.com in any part of a comment to qntra no longer passes go, goes straight to hell never to be seen.
mircea_popescu: hey, they wanna be on qntra let them use our advertising platform.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Reddit level AI bot was linking nothing but facebook and such a variety of things there's no other way to prevent it from reemerging.
deedbot-: [Trilema] The Burbuja! - http://trilema.com/2016/the-burbuja/
kakobrekla: http://www.htius.com < this looks sort of interesting, anyone got a comment on it?
assbot: Hamilton Technologies ... ( http://bit.ly/1oBuqt9 )
assbot: Govt asks banks to pitch in to make India open defecation free - timesofindia-economictimes ... ( http://bit.ly/1QAuY92 )
shinohai: tired of designated shitting streets.
punkman: kakobrekla: wtf is that
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kakobrekla: cant tell you anything more than what the pages says
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Now's your chance to audition for qntra. You've got a story, now your headline is "Indian Government And Banks Suppressing Cornerstone Of Local Culture"
shinohai: Because Qntra is dedicated to preserving Indian rights to shit in the street?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Because Qntra points out ACTUAL oppression like this.
BingoBoingo: Anyways I thought most areas in India where this is popular they generally had designated shitting fields.
shinohai: "The Indian Government declined to comment as to whether they would also provide a toilet to Preet Bharara, so he would stop shitting in American streets and court buildings."
punkman: ah apparently some Apollo mission thing, built on Ada
BingoBoingo: "so he would stop shitting class of Americans that apires to productivity"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-02-2016#1405476 << holy fuq, the sheer 'visual pr000000gramming!' crapolade !
assbot: Logged on 14-02-2016 14:18:39; kakobrekla: http://www.htius.com < this looks sort of interesting, anyone got a comment on it?
asciilifeform: sooooo visual!
kakobrekla: hypercard anyone?
assbot: Margaret Hamilton, lead software engineer, Project Apollo — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/243BbnL )
asciilifeform: not even the demented author of hypertalk thought that drawing the limbs the of the ast was a good idea...
asciilifeform: anyway, looks like nail clippings... and i'm an esolang aficionado, even.
asciilifeform: and proprietary crudlang, on top of this.
asciilifeform: couldn't try it even if i wanted.
asciilifeform: i'll use a proprietary compiler shortly after my appointment as reichsminister, where i will commute to ft. meade on flying pig over a frozen hell.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: where to send poo in loo submission when finished?
BingoBoingo: sign and encrypt it and get the text to me somehow.
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kakobrekla: compiler? it generates the code to be compiled. apparently can generate ada too.
asciilifeform: wtf, why would ~generated~ ada seem like a good idea.
asciilifeform: but i will add that this thing is extremely appealing when seen in contrast with microshit, and thus survives
kakobrekla: because ada has huge overhead?
asciilifeform: this is an entire business model, if one can call usgtronics 'business'
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla 17 Inman Street Cambridge,Massachusetts02139, 1-5mn revenue, 10-20 employees. looks like one of the [very numerous, usually derpy] some-guys-on-mit-campus-incorporeted-a-something deals.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no, because generated code is idiocy
asciilifeform: unreadable crud
copypaste: asciilifeform: it's business if you can cash into BTC; not whether you have the foresight to do so, but whether you have the ability to
mircea_popescu: (617) 492-0058 if you feel like asking orally.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with my luck, i'll end up working there next !
mircea_popescu: hey, you earned it!
asciilifeform: pet informs me that the hamilton chick is being passed around the pheminizm circles
asciilifeform: did she keel over recently? or why.
kakobrekla: i know you are not a fan of abstraction but you also didnt write 'v' in machine code
asciilifeform: actually i like abstraction.
kakobrekla: afaik home computers werent good for much before the 'basic' came around
kakobrekla: do you suggest the current level of abs is the best there is and ever will be
asciilifeform: what i dislike is crud that adds nothing.
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asciilifeform: i like, e.g., 'j'.
asciilifeform: and even apl.
asciilifeform: even haskell, i admit has a bright side.
kakobrekla: i suspect we need to break out of this 'writing code' thing we do, like we did with machine code.
asciilifeform: but what spiffy abstraction am i missing in the linked nail clippings?
copypaste: it is just a new language, is what you're missing. all languages are just machine code generators
kakobrekla: im not claiming the linked implementation is worth much but i suspect it has some good ideas, like not 'writing code' anymore.
asciilifeform: realize, there is not nor cannot be any escape from actually specifying a problem.
copypaste: it's an IDE for a new proprietary language. it's crud, sure, but code generation isn't bad by itself
BingoBoingo: In absurdly popular subreddits, /r/vandwellers/ has 26,000+ subscribers
asciilifeform: the spec can look like, say, 'prolog' (constraint-based programming) BUT you still have to ... program!
asciilifeform: copypaste: not new
kakobrekla: this is like claiming 'you still need to machine code' in the seventies
asciilifeform: more like 'still need arithmetic'
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kakobrekla: but you do arithmetic with 'special symbols', visually, not in plaintext (as argued not so long ago with mo)
kakobrekla: with mp*
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> In absurdly popular subreddits, /r/vandwellers/ has 26,000+ subscribers << i suspect living in a van will be the new middle class in the us.
mircea_popescu: "hey, at least i don't live in the projects. i choose who rapes me!"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla while he is stuck in a very hard to defend middle, still, i gotta say this "code generators" line you're arguing has a lot in common with the "betterment" that was to come from autocading all architecture.
mircea_popescu: it still has failed to materialize.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile medicine goes through the same process as we speak, and the deleterious effects are pointedly obvious.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the move from asm to c/basic HAS resulted in shittier programs throughout.
asciilifeform: aha and so i even liked 'mathematica'
asciilifeform: but the hamilton thing is garbage.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was largely from lowering the entry bar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the sake of argument, consider this issue : <asciilifeform> but the hamilton thing is garbage. ; hamiltoninc : "Here are some properties and features that make 001 unique: Always number one when put to the test."
kakobrekla: actually without 'code generators' your computer is useless, its just a matter of how away from the bedrock your abstraction is
mircea_popescu: now how do i, as a third party, resolve this dispute ?
mircea_popescu: note that they're not even fucking contradictory ffs.
kakobrekla: and to think current setup is optimal seems far fetched to me.
mircea_popescu: the "we are living in best possible world" argument is broken by definition.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: did i say this?? where?
kakobrekla: somewhere in the logs where you pasted a pic of a triple integral or somesuch
kakobrekla: i dont recall
mircea_popescu: actually, let's cut the discussion to a particularly comfortable example : the internet was "going to open up human knowledge". instead it has created the WORST fucking style of prose the english language has ever known. tedious, humourless but contrived, inept and coming up short in all measures, from cracked to wikipedia the language is bleeding. there is not more knowledge but less, and even its clothes are haggard
mircea_popescu: as never before.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you resolve it by sending the proprietary crud to hell
mircea_popescu: this shit just doesn't work and is certainly no solution.
kakobrekla: or was it a matrix
mircea_popescu: i recall a matrix.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementary iq-drop-from-admitting-human-waste situation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and its network effects. which are never well accounted for.
mircea_popescu: but allowing one rotten apple in rots the set, and allowing one lazy slavegirl ruins the lot and so on.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aha. understand, i like rich notation, MEANINGFUL graphical devices, etc.
mircea_popescu: meaning is not a property of things.
asciilifeform: But this is crud. tell me, what does drawing the ast ADD???
mircea_popescu: i don't see what drawing the matrix adds, either. arguing to ignorance alfie ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: MEANINGLESSNESS can, however, be.
mircea_popescu: it can be, but it's a much tougher nut than generally understood.
mircea_popescu: you can prove that meaning is impossible, just not trivially.
asciilifeform: go and make for me something i can use in place of a matrix.
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kakobrekla: i am not defending the implementation, just that there might be some merit to the ideas presented there. why do you chart v patches?!
mircea_popescu: (in fact, the lulzy otp discussion last week was EXACTLY re proven absence of meaning)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: have you seen interlisp ?
kakobrekla: i dont think so
asciilifeform: that was where she lifted the interesting part.
asciilifeform: it had a structure editor
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> that was where she lifted the interesting part. << lol nicely put, what meaning is contemplated ? "she [metaphorical person] lifted her skirt, rather than shoes and sleeves and whatnot random insanities" "she [interlisp author] stole the good bits for once, rather than dubious ux or w/e"
asciilifeform: incidentally i cannot tell, from the screenshots, whether that thing has a structure editor, like interlisp, or merely clutters the display
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i`d answer but my gas mask cartridge needs changing
mircea_popescu: burbujas!
kakobrekla: there is a workflow video buried somewhere on site.
asciilifeform: btw youbastard!111 now i wonder if i have it11!
mircea_popescu: you're well & come.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i`ll watch it when i get my computer back together
asciilifeform: (right now i`m on a toystore thing)
asciilifeform: but if you like structure editors, interlisp (destroyed by commonlisp, incidentally, and by symbolics, as described in the pitman link from mircea_popescu ) is your sunken atlantis !
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punkman: /me remembers a hospital visit that concluded in a thunderous fart while doctor was palpating
kakobrekla: i dont see it as a 'cake of death' question, more like 'piss or shit' one.
kakobrekla: 'cake OR death' i meant.
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punkman: "The history of Vandwelling goes back to horse drawn vehicles such as Roma Vardo wagons in Europe, and covered Conestoga wagons in the United States. One of the first uses of the term Vandwellers was in the United Kingdom showman and Van Dwellers' Protection Association, a guild for travelling show performers formed in the late 1800s. Shortly afterwards in 1901, Albert Bigalow wrote “The
punkman: Vandwellers”, about people living on the verge of poverty having to live a nomadic life in horse drawn moving vans."
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BingoBoingo: Congrats to shinohai on his first qntra piece
shinohai: \o/ I poo'd in the loo
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shinohai: Will remember to add the archive.is links next time though BingoBoingo, thanks
shinohai: Sithosi?
shinohai: *Sitoshi
shinohai: >mfw "satoshi" is Bitcoin's shibboleth
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mats: what an excellent troll
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BingoBoingo: Now this is promising
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ben_vulpes: congratulations on surviving the bubble attempt mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: To be fair many markets do not overcome bubbles as robustly as mircea_popescu does
mircea_popescu: because no mucus.
BingoBoingo: Oil industry too? Not mucus but still has lubricant.
mircea_popescu: mucus is also sticky.
BingoBoingo: So are certain petroleum fractions
mircea_popescu: hm. not in same way i dun think.
ben_vulpes: "This sort of
ben_vulpes: phenomenon is similar to what Buekens and Boudry (2015)
ben_vulpes: referred to as obscurantism (p. 1): “[when] the speaker...
ben_vulpes: [sets] up a game of verbal smoke and mirrors to suggest
ben_vulpes: depth and insight where none exists.”"
ben_vulpes: what is this obscurantist claptrap?!
mod6: morning
ben_vulpes: why do people^H^H^H^H^H^Hbarbarians insist on this moronic 2-column publishing style
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50972 @ 0.00056432 = 28.7645 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28030 @ 0.00056314 = 15.7848 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22320 @ 0.00056231 = 12.5508 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: so was thinking about pushing out that v99995 today.
mod6: but found an edge case that causes an infinte loop.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5978 @ 0.0005636 = 3.3692 BTC [+]
mod6: this happens if the antecedent hash matches the descendant hash.
ben_vulpes: i would like to see the vdiff that craps that down
mod6: the fix for this amounts to adding one condition statement when building the map of hashes.
ben_vulpes: i am reminded of the "enumerating badness" thread
mod6: ben_vulpes: it basically shouldn't ever happen, but it could and since; no means yes, yes means anal.
ben_vulpes: ideally a v impl. knows what vpatches are to look like and barfs on anything that doesn't look like that instead of trying to catch all of the edge cases
mod6: to test it, i had to hand-diddle one of the vpatches. easy enough to do. if someone is doing something very strange or bad or whatever on their system it could lead to an infinate loop.
ben_vulpes: well at least it's not a fork bomb?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63304 @ 0.00056606 = 35.8339 BTC [+]
mod6: well, no forking going on. im guessing it'll die when it runs out of ram, but haven't checked that yet.
mod6: what do you mean by "v impl. knows what vpatches are to look like"
mod6: how would it know ahead of time, short of having a hash for the vpatch itself?
ben_vulpes: the structure, not the contents. 'fork bomb' was a joke, mod6.
ben_vulpes: don't take me too seriously this morning mod6 i got dressed and went to the office before realizing it was still sunday
mod6: yeah, in this regard, my V basically does know what to look for in a given vpatch file -- the thing it wasn't doing is checking that the hashes match eachother -- which can cause a downstream infinate loop when traversing the map.
mod6: *infinte
mod6: no worries ben_vulpes.
mod6: ive been a bit fried lately myself.
mod6: ive got problems at the shit-shoveling factory that are giving me headaches :/
ben_vulpes: good auld-gean stables
mod6: so one of my cpu threads goes to 100% and memory usage starts to climb.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5518 @ 0.00056606 = 3.1235 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> why do people^H^H^H^H^H^Hbarbarians insist on this moronic 2-column publishing style << Journals demand it for printing
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96547 @ 0.00055889 = 53.9592 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: apparently opening and closing of the tab still requires macrotransactions
shinohai: That's good since that $400 box only produces pennies a week.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.0005589 = 7.2657 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71649 @ 0.00055912 = 40.0604 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75450 @ 0.00055859 = 42.1456 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: ok, so instead what I'll do here is add an automated test to check for this, so i don't regress later. and then most likely will put out a 3rd beta patch for people to test/review.
mod6: then in a few days i'll consider publishing the bundle again. thanks for your support/patience/help, etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00055633 = 43.6163 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: so in "weird of the crowd" news, eulora player just bought an auctioned package from s.mg for 140, split it up, and barely managed to recoup HALF the cost.
mircea_popescu: this is possibly the weirdest thing i ever saw.
mircea_popescu: <mod6> ben_vulpes: it basically shouldn't ever happen, but it could and since; no means yes, yes means anal. << lol io like how he thinks.
mircea_popescu: and cheers mod6
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00055592 = 42.8058 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78657 @ 0.00056433 = 44.3885 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52050 @ 0.00056644 = 29.4832 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19081 @ 0.00056628 = 10.8052 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63319 @ 0.000555 = 35.142 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53862 @ 0.00055879 = 30.0975 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up cameonxfactor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73150 @ 0.00055728 = 40.765 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.0005539 = 30.5199 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80068 @ 0.00056207 = 45.0038 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: I’ll bet you $5,000 that bitcoin’s first hard fork works out just fine — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ogRDRA )
mircea_popescu: shinohai derp never heard of bitbet ?
mircea_popescu: "i am in bitcoin, i just don't know anything about it. like those people from new york that dunno what the chrysler building is!"
shinohai: Just a few days ago he equated Bitcoin to web browsers - fitting since they are the IE of BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00056726 = 3.4603 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up PaulCapestany
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112950 @ 0.00055798 = 63.0238 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4720 @ 0.00055674 = 2.6278 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65680 @ 0.00055328 = 36.3394 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84050 @ 0.00056132 = 47.1789 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta 3 - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xs3JTm )
mod6: Thanks mp
mircea_popescu: what'd i do ?!
mod6: just for the 'cheers' & everything else :]
asciilifeform back in business with 2x the cpu&ram
mod6: i'll give it a few days and then will roll up a full bundle. i've got an automated test for this case now too.
mod6: asciilifeform: for phuctor?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 141500 @ 0.00055194 = 78.0995 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: for own box.
mod6: ah cool
mod6: mod6 heavy industries needs new box for mining
mod6: ... there's this remote island where you can mine stuff like shiny rocks and rotten fruit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47009 @ 0.00055193 = 25.9457 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: happy valentines day and many blowjobs to all!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20814 @ 0.00056578 = 11.7761 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla 'silent wings' fan are very very spiffy. and now the loudest thing in the room, giant doubleconverter ups, is deafening in comparison. gonna have to re-fan it now...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: they are arent they.
asciilifeform: there's gotta be a catch though. do they died after 6 mo. ? or what.
kakobrekla: nope.
kakobrekla: i have been running mine for 2 years are are as good as new as far as i can tell
kakobrekla: and are*
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i finally broke down and did the whole new-case, filters, etc. thing.
asciilifeform: sorbothane legs.
kakobrekla: i also had the problem of ups being the loudest, but it fanless, i think its the transformer that is noisy
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: this one can't be run fanless, it is the kind that has the inverter going at ~all times~
asciilifeform: whatever the fuck in; clean sinusoid out.
kakobrekla: its not impossible to make inverter go fanless
asciilifeform: possible but not at 1.5kW in 2u box.
kakobrekla: anyway, you can only take it so far. at some point you will hear birds from outside and so on.
kakobrekla: cant turn them off.
punkman: why not
punkman: just need bb gun
asciilifeform: i like animal sounds
asciilifeform: people - not so much. fans - also not so much.
kakobrekla: hope you got a quiet psu as well
asciilifeform: fanless.
asciilifeform: i can sorta hear the inductors tho
asciilifeform: and i still have a few mechanical drives, that have not yet been replaced with flash
asciilifeform: but even so, mega-kudos to kakobrekla for the discovery.
kakobrekla: im glad someone else found my effort useful.
asciilifeform: !rated kakobrekla
assbot: You rated user kakobrekla on 12-Apr-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: expert infrastructural welder. holds up the sky..
asciilifeform: !rate kakobrekla 5 not only expert infrastructural welder, but unearthed a 15dB pc fan somehow.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/a9a15c966a8ef6c0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47097 @ 0.00056516 = 26.6173 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.kakobrekla.5:d3f2ca11ae8994f35adf6193e7fc455df676304fb0df2e69aef82f87fcf4ac51
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 4 to 5 with note: not only expert infrastructural welder, but unearthed a 15dB pc fan somehow.
asciilifeform: !rated mod6
assbot: You rated user mod6 on 24-Apr-2015, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: therealbitcoin.org. met in the flesh. jolly good fella..
asciilifeform: !rate mod6 5 met alive; expert gardener of therealbitcoin.org; implementer of the first fully-functional battlefield-grade vtron.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7faf2403b487dbb5
asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.mod6.5:ced60388fba0d2dcb1060ca1efd4d33e22ad3c8bafbbe02aa5b5768b2b743034
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mod6 from 3 to 5 with note: met alive; expert gardener of therealbitcoin.org; implementer of the first fully-functional battlefield-grade vtron.
asciilifeform: !rated phf
assbot: You rated user phf on 01-Aug-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: ru lisper; sometimes tests my code, even.
assbot: 3 is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/69d8ed1fe01b3e51
asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.phf.3:0894ff7517d826362f0139f879a7fb089ea895cc55450aa920a55096d9abafc1
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for phf from 2 to 3 with note: ru lisper; http://btcbase.org/patches
asciilifeform: !unrate zfx
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asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.zfx:84d4c3c4a11794d315af8dad9917a440f07e317ef95471e2bd186b58133e988c
assbot: Successfully unrated zfx
asciilifeform: !unrate binaryatrocity
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> i have been running mine for 2 years are are as good as new as far as i can tell << good bearings, less wear, last longer.
asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.binaryatrocity:cca6afbd0049d1b89a8a4d530197592913a11f642ed93492ad55ed0631fde6d2
assbot: Successfully unrated binaryatrocity
asciilifeform: !unrate rebeccabitcoin
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1d4669c7dbbb79fd
asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.unrate.rebeccabitcoin:276362c9ec8c098210179b76f98cee871c02820c1f567498f81738aca4c4fd8d
assbot: Successfully unrated rebeccabitcoin
asciilifeform: !rated kanzure
assbot: You rated user kanzure on 22-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: meat programmer.
asciilifeform: !rate kanzure -1 minor-league quisling; inquire within
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asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.kanzure.-1:07c6735219a02aee0857eb3bb1e8cb965dc3a795963df5d5a292d7fe4e168003
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for kanzure from 1 to -1 with note: minor-league quisling; inquire within
asciilifeform: !rated jurov
assbot: You rated user jurov on 22-Apr-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: live human!!.
shinohai: This is why I like asciilifeform he can use "quisling" in a sentence.
asciilifeform: !rate jurov 4 therealbitcoin.org treasurer; long-suffering maintainer of ml 'turdatron'; and miscellaneously strong intellect
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asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.jurov.4:c5dd088ae79af018d445e669fc8e8b0e584ef1c8b7dc458fdbb9adfc93d51d0e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 1 to 4 with note: therealbitcoin.org treasurer; long-suffering maintainer of ml 'turdatron'; and miscellaneously strong intellect
asciilifeform: almost done....
asciilifeform: !rated BingoBoingo
assbot: You rated user BingoBoingo on 25-Jan-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: retrocomputing archaeology enthusiast, intelligent commentary..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67244 @ 0.00056448 = 37.9579 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !rate BingoBoingo 3 preaches tirelessly to the heathens - qntra.net ; retrocomputing archaeologist and the proverbial alert reader.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b6249b9a2ac441f9
asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.BingoBoingo.3:e96cd04596f1c29a6c5713345d09780e3556a0334d1a5acd6a75d0c59af68312
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 with note: preaches tirelessly to the heathens - qntra.net ; retrocomputing archaeologist and the proverbial alert reader.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10275 @ 0.00056431 = 5.7983 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: i think that's all for now.
mircea_popescu: cool huh.
asciilifeform: sorry about the noise, but tradition dictates that this oughta be done 'in forum.'
asciilifeform: sooo in other newz i put down 5btc on a bitbet and whaddayaknow, 'high S value'
asciilifeform: (generated, naturally, from ancient box)
asciilifeform: idiocy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00055933 = 34.5107 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: does anyone have a link handy to where in the logz mircea_popescu calculated what it would cost to run a guaranteed-block-in-x-days mine ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67450 @ 0.0005518 = 37.2189 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: i dont but according to ze enemy; Current cost per TH: 0.0039 BTC per day
asciilifeform: which enemy
assbot: NodeCounter.com (XTnodes.com) - Bitcoin Classic, XT, Unlimited Nodes, Blocks, Graphs, Charts, Statistics ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pu56hn )
asciilifeform: what's a ~honest~ mine cost ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a very simple calculation really : 1 block out of 24 * 60 / 10 = 1/144 of total hash
mircea_popescu: !s 25.25
assbot: 5 results for '25.25' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=25.25
mircea_popescu: lol @ scam foundation's bfl-pushing rag whining "bitcoin dictators"
mircea_popescu: the plural invalidates the point, derps. what fucking dictatorS ? how's that shit supposed to work ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00055147 = 33.943 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: roughly 1 petahash will get you 1 block per 1000 blocks
kakobrekla: you need more like 1 per 100 (144 per day)
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 1214630509.42
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1214630509.42/144
gribble: 8434934.09319
kakobrekla: 30 bt per day according to node counter donations
mircea_popescu: but you get the 25+change back.
kakobrekla: yeah.
shinohai: I should throw up a donation page like that saying I'll mine classic blocks - 35 BTC!!!
asciilifeform: i have my wrath bit set, re: the high-S thing
asciilifeform: send perfectly valid tx, now i have to figure out a way to double-spend own tx, failed to make a bet in time, and may very well end up in limbo
mircea_popescu: there's really better things to chew the scenery about.
kakobrekla: what limbo?
asciilifeform: 1) it was a good chunk of my net worth 2) it was a surrender to shitgnomery which i still don't properly understand
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he'll have to reconstruct the wallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00055285 = 22.114 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: speaking of which asciilifeform ... good time to make a wallet fixer now :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've already unsheathed the knives
kakobrekla: he is speaking like he will lose the btc
asciilifeform: but i'd be curious to see what mircea_popescu has in mind
mircea_popescu: well he can't spend it again till he convinces his wallet that tx should go away
asciilifeform: i would malleate own tx to low-s atm but i don't have a handy proggy written for this
asciilifeform: (anybody else?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i contemplated 'fixing wallet' ages ago, but doing so was complicated by the fact that i REALLY, ~REALLY~ do not like spending coin.
asciilifeform: so how to test?.
mircea_popescu: sending coins to yourself is called mixing not spending.
asciilifeform: it is only 'to yourself' if your test is successful !
trinque: asciilifeform: pick up some deedbot- dust
asciilifeform: plus there is fee
mircea_popescu: money is for practical people asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: not for idealists.
asciilifeform: not only this,
asciilifeform: but money is for people... with money.
mircea_popescu: looking at the block spam atm, "money" is ~5000 satoshi
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: tx fee for the spam blocks.
punkman: a wallet spec might be nice to have
asciilifeform: the whole 'wallet' concept is braindamaged and must die.
asciilifeform: specify x1 from addr a1, x2 from a2, ... x_n(a_n)
asciilifeform: enough with the 'intelligence'.
asciilifeform: and enough with the machine 'knowing' that you 'spent.'
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punkman: took me a sec to realize that was in F
punkman: asciilifeform: what do you mean 'knowing' that you 'spent.'
asciilifeform: punkman: see thread from 1/2hr ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58221 @ 0.00055309 = 32.2015 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-02-2016#1402007 < watched. not bad. i return the ball with another war flick; 'lepa sela, lepo gore' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116860/
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00055342 = 32.4858 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16629 @ 0.00055342 = 9.2028 BTC [+]
assbot: The Mensch Computer ... ( http://bit.ly/20ULDz2 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'The Mensch Computer is a solid state computer that was never designed to compete in the PC market. It's not a PDA, calculator, home controller or personal organizer, but it could be any of these things. It was designed to provide simplicity without complexity allowing users to evolve it into their own creation. Many people put a lot of thought and many years into the design to provide a head start for many projects. There are
asciilifeform: several assembly language library routines built into firmware and a ROM monitor allowing the ease of programming any of the included devices including graphics, sound, game controllers, communication to a PC, Printer or Modem or other solid state devices. The ROM monitor provides an easy interface menu for checking registers and modifying data in memory. All software listings, schematics and documentation are included.'
asciilifeform does not own this box, cannot recommend or disrecommend !!
asciilifeform: but sounds vaguely and pleasantly temple-os-y.
asciilifeform: appears to use a variant of the 6502 processor that is still made by western design inc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87286 @ 0.0005585 = 48.7492 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: interestingly, the chip design is licensable... http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c02s-core.cfm - presumably for serious dough
assbot: W65C02S 8-bit Core ... ( http://bit.ly/20ULVWx )
asciilifeform: now, mad kudos to anyone who can locate a 'mensch computer' available for purchase...
mircea_popescu: !up Computer8
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00056327 = 52.4404 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00055849 = 18.4302 BTC [-]
assbot: Add some useful key bindings · ch11ng/exwm@e2edf81 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1U24Byg )
ben_vulpes: this is why tab aligned shit in code is the devil
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "thousands of years of cultural tradition assualting the beloved practice of open defecation in rural India"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what am i looking at
trinque: asciilifeform: exwm is... an x11 window manager written in elisp
trinque: I use the thing, love it actually
asciilifeform: why elisp
trinque: so that all windows are emacs buffers
trinque: rather, emacs windows
trinque: amounts to being able to get around rather quickly with a uniform set of keybindings and a simple mental model
trinque: rather than having window management both at the x11 level and again in emacs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00055849 = 31.1079 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what's a ~honest~ mine cost ? << during the Altcoin srs bsns days rented hash with varying relability from https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/sha256
assbot: Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQ97Oj )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: very spiffy looking machine
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: quite unobtainable, it seems.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "thousands of years of cultural tradition assualting the beloved practice of open defecation in rural India" << should be fixed now
BingoBoingo: Bugged shinohai to write to for the occasion to dust off the preecture
BingoBoingo: !up Computer0
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Shame. That 6502 box looks like it would make a spiffy musical instrument since it has the game port for midi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00056434 = 22.3196 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13072 @ 0.00056577 = 7.3957 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: does pywallet actually work with trb ?
asciilifeform: for anybody ?
asciilifeform: i get 'ERROR:root:Couldn't open wallet.dat/main.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.0005586 = 30.3599 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes shrugs
trinque: asciilifeform: funkenstein's patches applied to bitcoind patched with the 99996 script for me
trinque: I saw the same error with pywallet
asciilifeform: to pick up a thread from yesterday, re: rf shields that pass light,
asciilifeform: in my collection of junk there is an apple wireless keyboard thing
asciilifeform: it has a power led that shines through the aluminum chassis
asciilifeform: (the latter has microscopic holes lasered in it, in a circle pattern approx. the size of a printed period)
asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield.
asciilifeform: (would have to laser a few million holes)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71391 @ 0.0005586 = 39.879 BTC [-]
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, that pywallet thing is hairy, but i did eventually get it to work
mod6: i'll log my usage next time i use it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125954 @ 0.00055895 = 70.402 BTC [+] {2}
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asciilifeform: aaaah finally.
mod6: i think i had to do a -rescan too
kakobrekla: the easiest is to pull wallet from backup :)
asciilifeform: funnily enough, the malleators got to it first.
asciilifeform: interestingly, immediately while i sent the double.
asciilifeform: (is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?)
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: i *will* however read through several hundred lines of deletion
ben_vulpes: before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96200 @ 0.00055633 = 53.5189 BTC [-] {2}
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