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assbot: Logged on 09-02-2016 18:54:06; mircea_popescu: hmm looks like qntra ate my comment
assbot: BART admits 77 percent of train cameras are fake or don’t work - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUIXZY )
assbot: China’s Rule of Fear by Minxin Pei - Project Syndicate ... ( http://bit.ly/1QUJ5J0 )
punkman: http://i2.wp.com/www.exposingtruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bank-chart.jpg "If you were wondering how banks got “too big to fail,” here’s a good place to start. This chart shows us how, over the last couple of decades, 37 banks have became just 4 mega-banks"
mircea_popescu: there is no reason to have multiple banks in soviet russia.
mircea_popescu: which is what happened : the fed owns all of them anyway.
mircea_popescu: %, best moneys ever.
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BingoBoingo: In other news, Cruz/Trump/Rubio's odds are all levelling out on BitBet after fucking Kasich won 2nd to Trump in NH. I blame that disloyal hamplanet Chris Christie.
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BingoBoingo: On the other side Sanders beat Clitler 13 delegates to 9
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BingoBoingo: In further developments, Cruz has now jumped Rubio as the new BitBet favorite.
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 377.5, vol: 5705.40195699 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 381.88, vol: 5740.47168 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 378.14, vol: 13050.93419762 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 378.0, vol: 0.27294365 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.45205, vol: 18178.66740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 378.0, vol: 1167.00217383 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.63624, vol: 80.41276963 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 383.230107573
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency jpy
gribble: Bitstamp BTCJPY last: 43270.9375, vol: 5705.40195699 | BTC-E BTCJPY last: 43774.255875, vol: 5740.47168 | CampBX BTCJPY last: 43328.25, vol: 0.27294365 | BTCChina BTCJPY last: 44652.5716, vol: 18185.49820000 | Kraken BTCJPY last: 43427.931, vol: 173.34285269 | Bitcoin-Central BTCJPY last: 43725.7692, vol: 80.41276963 | Volume-weighted last average: 44210.4863285
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deedbot-: [Qntra] Intel Removes Skylake Feature Retroactively With Microcode Update - http://qntra.net/2016/02/intel-removes-skylake-feature-retroactively-with-microcode-update/
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kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401805 < 'take care' as in 'dont drive over this puddle of kittens or it will break!!!!'
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 04:12:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401686 << you have NO FUCKING IDEA how much care you have to take of a tank
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adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1386711 >>> raise your hand if you've ever replaced AFV treads
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2016 00:06:01; ascii_butugychag: i thought adlai ~had~ a trade - tank mechanic
adlai: kakobrekla: you'd be surprised how easily the entire thing pops right off, like those rubber treads on toys
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BingoBoingo: adlai: How else does General Dynamics get the parts contracts?
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adlai: heh that'd be good for some hand-wringing: planned obsolescence in military equipment. expiration date reached? cardano broadcasts private key!
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BingoBoingo: Seriously It's a thing
BingoBoingo: Compare and contrase Humvee and Toyota/Nissan truck maintenance
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, like take off the fucking threads and grease the stupid small wheel bs
kakobrekla: adlai, mircea_popescu , can you sit on it ?
mircea_popescu: a tank does 10 gallons to the mile as opposed to a truck's 10 miles to the gallon. the maintenance involved is comensurate.
mircea_popescu: adlai i haven't, but i had people do it, and felt sorry for them.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla sit on what, the tank ? sort-of. the modern shits are obnoxious. historically yes
adlai: mircea_popescu: i hope you didn't let that feeling show!
mircea_popescu: later, with the womenz.
mircea_popescu: that's what womenz are for amirite.
kakobrekla: yes, sit on the tank. great, i can sit on my phone also.
mircea_popescu reads the log, sees the people have basically said what he was going to say anyway, realises that he is rapidly becoming superfluous
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BingoBoingo: Why is the mobility impaired in this ad? https://i.sli.mg/nyYJ2T.png
asciilifeform: !s tigerfibel
assbot: 1 results for 'tigerfibel' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tigerfibel
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asciilifeform: ;;google tigerfibel
gribble: Tiger I Information Center - The Tigerfibel: <http://www.alanhamby.com/tigerfibel.shtml>; Tigerfibel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigerfibel>; Die "Tiger Fibel": <http://www.gunfun.de/tigerfibel.pdf>
asciilifeform: ^ re: tank, megaclassic
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adlai: BingoBoingo: passive-aggressive fat shaming
BingoBoingo: adlai: Sad thing. Actually Ad composed in the same way jokes are.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 successfully patched V per ML instructions, now v99995
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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mircea_popescu: selbst moralisten und moral sind unmoralisch manches mal!
mircea_popescu: such a gem this thing
asciilifeform: i was quite certain we had a tigerfibel thread
mircea_popescu: multiple. still a fucking gem.
asciilifeform: best manual for a product in history, srsly
mircea_popescu: could well be, yeah. was just contemplating that.
mircea_popescu: fucking EXACT opposite of contemporary anglo retardation, incidentally.
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asciilifeform: much this
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mircea_popescu: fucking thing had virtually no suspensions, manual inertial starter, fucking wooden seats if memory serves...
mircea_popescu: no living wage fucktard loved his honda civic like this tank was loved.
mircea_popescu: you wanna complain about being stguck in traffic, how about being stuck in fucking rasputitza.
asciilifeform: 34 was loved, idk re tiger
adlai offers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_(2009_film) for any movie bloggers who are curious about how much tanks are loved
assbot: Lebanon (2009 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1V3qjjL )
asciilifeform: adlai: sounds like a terrestrial version of 'das boot' !! will watch.
adlai: aha! yes!
adlai: significantly less traumatic.
mircea_popescu: did the t34 even have seats ?\
mircea_popescu: iirc they just suspended the crewman on anal hooks
asciilifeform: nah thats american cars
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nah thats american cars << Only after 2005 model year. Previously there was a scrotum loop to take some weight off of anal hook.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEel8zOyTgc << indicated soundtrack for said fibel.
assbot: Mit Bomben und Granaten Marsch - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KFfiVo )
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mircea_popescu: lol frau elvira gab. tiger.
mircea_popescu: "OK: consider a city full of Chinese people, rigorously following written
mircea_popescu: instructions on the handling of small (8-byte, to be concrete) amounts of
mircea_popescu: information in particular systematic ways. (Yes, a group of individuals
mircea_popescu: running round with an internal monologue which if dragged first from
mircea_popescu: mentalese to Cantonese and thus to English might be rendered as "I'm an
mircea_popescu: S-box! I'm an S-box!", "I'm an transposer! I'm a transposer!", and the like.)
mircea_popescu: They pass the outputs of their rule-following to designated, possibly
mircea_popescu: conditionally-different, individuals. Such a small city can compute DES
mircea_popescu: encryptions/decryptions without a semiconductor in sight.
mircea_popescu: And that estimable Mr Searle will explain why each of them must be shot
mircea_popescu: after performing their role more than a few times, as they now understand
mircea_popescu: not only block cipher design but the content of the encrypted message :-)
mircea_popescu: Cheerski, Stefek "I Was A Chinese Sex Slave" Z"
mircea_popescu: ahaha such a gem #2.
mircea_popescu: i proclaim this the morning of gems!
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-26 Terry Ritter: "I would hope that anyone reading Schneier's article would recognize that it is seriously flawed in many ways."
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 Kery Minola: "You are really grasping at straws...."
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "!!! It's obvious that the memo did not mean 'prove' in the strict mathematical sense, but in the empirical sense."
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 Douglas A. Gwyn: "The 'empirical proof' means very little since it can't allow for the eavesdropper's cryptanalytic abilities."
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 Xcott Craver: "Are you suggesting that we should use something other than the scientific method?"
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-27 W T Shaw: "To demand a single route to the truth is to prejudice against truths that may not be so conform to that path. This is the essence of what is wrong with what Bruce advocates, which is the same old tired argument we have heard for ages."
mircea_popescu: basicallty, the debate between accountants and scholars, started long ago, will continue forever.
mircea_popescu: 1998-10-28 dscott@networkusa.net: "ACtually if you come up with a good cipher you will not get it tested since they try to keep the rank of phony experts quite small." lol.
mircea_popescu: !up Sheepola
mircea_popescu: 1998-11-23 Stefan Axelsson: "What is needed, is some other, resilient, long lasting, redundant third party storage of references, such as a library is for printed material today."
mircea_popescu: funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a.
mircea_popescu: #b-a so schneier and the rest of the usg-powered nobodies get the swanson treatment ; #b-a so there's deedbot ; #b-a so everything in there comes back to it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, shot ritter an email, curious what comes of this.
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deedbot-: [Qntra] Clapper: "Internet Of Things" Offers Tempting Surveillance Opportunities - http://qntra.net/2016/02/clapper-internet-of-things-offers-tempting-surveillance-opportunities/
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mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-10.log.html#t14:28:00 << teh esteemed entomologists may be interested in that discussion.
assbot: #Eulora log for Wednesday, 2016-02-10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QrkkRX )
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assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 14:21:31; mircea_popescu: funny how this entire fucking discussion is about how everyone there would really need want and desperately aspires to be in #b-a.
asciilifeform: and related experiments, in the old days
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 14:27:29; mircea_popescu: anyway, shot ritter an email, curious what comes of this.
mircea_popescu feels more and more each day roughly in the position of the guy in that one tribe that successfully unearthed pre-war tech.
mircea_popescu: oh, there are other tribes out there, you say ? and they have quick horses and long-lashed women, you say ? BWAHAHAHAHAA
asciilifeform: what tech? rsa ?
mod6: mornin'
mod6: <shinohai> successfully patched V per ML instructions, now v99995 << cool! beat up on it, let me know if you find any probs.
shinohai: Because if I am useful for nothing else around here it is breaking things.
mod6: break it!
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 14:54:48; mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-02-10.log.html#t14:28:00 << teh esteemed entomologists may be interested in that discussion.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform naw. the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: let's be explicit here lol.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> what tech? rsa ? << naw. the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> what part of this ? << all of it.
mircea_popescu: and omfg cherries here are good.
mircea_popescu: Islamists opposed the law because "neither elected MPs nor the government has the authority to change the law because these institutions could misinterpret the word of God". <<< check it out alf, the orcs get it.
mircea_popescu: "no legitimacy in democracy".
asciilifeform: eh they just have a different pope
asciilifeform: naturally no other pope is welcome
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mircea_popescu: besides the point. the principle is still sound : there is no font of legitimacy in democracy. elected derps have no authority to change the law.
mircea_popescu: and interpretation is included in there.
asciilifeform: they also burn heretics for idolatry, all the while pilgrimaging to 'dome of the rock', etc.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying rms also doesn't wash.
mircea_popescu: da fuck do i care if he does.
asciilifeform: well if the whole appeal of orcs is 'not yet radiation damaged'
mircea_popescu: i had no intention of fucking him anyway. unless he were to hire my as his hygienist, which is not something i do anyway, it;s really not my concern.
mircea_popescu: what appeal ? there's no appeal. they just happen to have a point.
mircea_popescu: kalash fires as well if triggered pulled by monkey as by man.
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asciilifeform: sure does.
asciilifeform: what the monkey cannot do, however, is aim. much less make a kalash.
mircea_popescu: well, they did make the point.
asciilifeform: speaking of collapse, the lulfest in michigan is interesting in light of how it is presented by volkischer beobachter
asciilifeform: all in terms of 'tragedy', 'oh noez, city folks are getting bottles of clean water when showing id, but illegal mexicans have no id, what sad'
asciilifeform: no mention, of course, of the dekulakized property owners
mircea_popescu: which one is this one ?
asciilifeform: (who are forced to keep paying for the unusable water, and may not legally sell the house)
asciilifeform: flint, mi.
mod6: any one have any strong feelings on googletest & googlemock as a comprehensive testing framework for trb ?
asciilifeform: mod6: nfi. what even is this
asciilifeform: i thought we had 313337 perl scriptz or somesuch, for test
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't understand this, so flint been using lead pipes like... all places ever. what is the issue ?
mod6: well, i built some automated tests in cucumber/perl for V. but i'm saying for bitcoind itself.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc it wasn't only lead, but various bacteria, obvious stink, every possible 'don't even wash your hands with this, much less drink' indicator imaginable
mod6: and it has a mock framework that can be utilized as well, and this could be really powerful.
asciilifeform: so what i was thinking is,
mircea_popescu: mod6 im unfamiliar. is it a cloud service thing ?
asciilifeform: usg and local microusglets have no intention of collecting any less tax as infrastructure vanishes
mircea_popescu: or anyway, try and explain as best as possible the externalities here ?
mod6: i might have to go on a wild goose chase with this some time, post release when I have more time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doh. tax is set by the cattle ability to pay, nothing else. same tax is collected in new york and bahrein or w/e.
asciilifeform: whereas there is a widespread delusion in usa, that tax is somehow payment for services rendered
assbot: GitHub - google/googletest: Google Test ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgg51s )
asciilifeform: the flint thing is an elegant illustration of reality, re: this.
asciilifeform: they are degenerating literally to the level of inca palace economy
asciilifeform: show up at city hall, get drinkable water. if not, not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform part of the democratic lie. that "tax is payment" , that "law is agreement", that "authority is legitimate" etc.
mod6: anyway, boost has its own unit testing abilities, which is what the current test are built with -- the allure of a mock framework here though, could be helpful.
mircea_popescu: they all flow in the same manner.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i will confes i am prejudiced against it just for having google in its name.
mircea_popescu: which is probably the contrary result to what they intended.
mod6: ok.
mircea_popescu: so basically it's a c++ test framework.
mircea_popescu: could be useful.
mod6: what if there was a different mock framework that wasn't
mircea_popescu: mod6 understand, i'm not going to necessarily act on my prejudices. just being upfront.
mod6: sure.
mod6: anyway, this is all food for thought; planting a seed. we'll have to revisit this later.
mircea_popescu: In addition to many internal projects at Google, Google Test is also used by the following notable projects: The Chromium projects (behind the Chrome browser and Chrome OS). The LLVM compiler. Protocol Buffers, Google's data interchange format. The OpenCV computer vision library.
mircea_popescu: so basically, it IS definitionally better than the boost suite.
mircea_popescu: "Linux Requirements These are the base requirements to build and use Google Test from a source package (as described below):
mircea_popescu: GNU-compatible Make or gmake POSIX-standard shell POSIX(-2) Regular Expressions (regex.h) A C++98-standard-compliant compiler"
mircea_popescu: i dun see a problem there.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you have any idea re this thing ?
asciilifeform: why is this needed, again ?
mod6: we were just discussing it re eulora.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tests are the best thing there is.
mod6: i wasn't too clued on C++ testing frameworks. but mockito is pretty helpful with stuff, so something similar in C++ space would be nice.
mircea_popescu: tests are actually better than code.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mno. not-making-bugs is the best thing there is.
asciilifeform: with corrections 2nd best
mircea_popescu: thats a thing that isn't.
asciilifeform: testing - 100th place.
mircea_popescu: let's not mix categories.
mod6: so to that point, it is nice to run a regression suite when any changes are made.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the principle is sound. i have nfi as to the choice, but the principle is sound.
mod6: ok, thanks to you both. sorry for the diversion here, we can discuss in the future.
asciilifeform: one tricky bit is that trb is a ~system~
asciilifeform: and much of the undesired behaviour we've seen so far occurs only as part of the system
asciilifeform: rather than malfunction/misdesign of any particular component
mircea_popescu: quite, yes.
asciilifeform: and moreover, it cannot be tested meaningfully except in live fire
mircea_popescu: you can not know what can be tested meaningfully until after you have done so.
asciilifeform: i've experimented with tcp replay for testing
asciilifeform: this might be a productive approach for trb
mircea_popescu: the problem is "meaningfully" is a very slippery term. shit can be quite meaningful to humans.
asciilifeform: (you simulate, approximately, a few hours of planet)
assbot: GitHub - evolutional/utest: An ultra-lightweight, micro unit test framework for C99 presented as a single-header ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgi6eb )
assbot: GitHub - mity/cutest: Simple (single header) C/C++ unit testing facility. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sgi8mj )
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's actually better to pick a one thing and get everyone to use that.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I asked mod6 if he knew of some good testing tools for cpp as I am not up to date with the landscape on that for cpp
mircea_popescu: i thought you suggested it maybe.
mod6: diana_coman had one in mind that was super lightweight, looked ok for doing assertions.
mod6: just started diving into what's out there for C++ that has a bit more meat to it.
mod6: i think i'll have to drive out a poc of one of these frameworks at some point. not now though, too much other stuff to get done first.
mircea_popescu: it's a reasonable thing for the short to mid term.
mircea_popescu: having a trb-test suite is a good move, because even if dissidence is a b-a tradition, nevertheless it allows a common basis to make communication useful.
diana_coman: fwiw the google thing looked all right to me re features, but I wasn't too sure re who made it, lol
diana_coman: need to look into it more
mircea_popescu: i suspect the llvm crew.
mircea_popescu: prolly grew out of their buffers thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other little boojum is that we don't actually know a known-good output for most of the thing.
asciilifeform: nor what failures to test for.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but this is not a counterarghumnet, on the contrary. testing suite may help there too.
mod6: the adventure must begin somewhere :]
asciilifeform: incidentally, here is a very painful test i've contemplated
asciilifeform: on an isolated lan, place trb nodes, and break all known blocks into tx,
asciilifeform: then let them get re-mined
mircea_popescu: ahahaha these fuctards. moved water intake from lake to river with no further precautions, on old lead lines! HOLY SHIT. there is extant roman text as to the idiocy of this move.
mircea_popescu: this is utterly what the dawn of civilisaiton looks like. next, nobody could have predicted pissing on the electric fence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is actually not something that can be done anymore i fear. mining criteria changed ~3 times
asciilifeform: phun phakt - coastal usaschwitz inmates regard the inlands as 'flyover', a sort of built-in zimbabwe, and give very little fuck re: what happens there
mircea_popescu: "A class-action lawsuit alleges the state Department of Environmental Quality didn't treat the water for corrosion, in accordance with federal law, and because so many service lines to Flint are made of lead, the noxious element leached into the water of the city's homes."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah and precisely the point, i would like to learn ~what~ cannot be done any more
mircea_popescu: bejesus.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everything can still be done. the poiint is that a hole large enough to fit the earlier blocks will result in a hole too large today, that'd admit things that won't get mined.
mircea_popescu: the thread narrowed.
asciilifeform: how would it admit anything other than the test tx pool made from smashed real-world blocks ?
asciilifeform: which are known to have been mined in reality
mircea_popescu: der, s-high, there's a list.
mircea_popescu: the fact that they were mined in the past is no guarantee they would be mined today
asciilifeform: now this is true
asciilifeform: but in point of fact, miners being retarded does not mean the protocol has changed.
mircea_popescu: sure. but tests are tests.
mircea_popescu: "It isn't easy to build a large general-purpose quantum computer, but many people publicly working on it seem to think that they'll be successful next decade. Maybe there will be serious obstacles that slow down or stop this success, but there's clearly a serious risk to RSA and ECC, and it isn't sensible risk management to pretend that the problem doesn't exist."
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit omfg. i am not PRETENDING the problem doesn't exist. the problem does factually not exist.
mircea_popescu: what fucking problem ?
mircea_popescu: MIT idiots were going to be successful next decade every decade since 1950. then "winter" "happened" because totally.
mircea_popescu: and they'll have the unmitigated audacity to call it "the quantum winter" as opposed to "the just desserts after a decade of fraudulent pseudoscientific claims" and/or "what happens when ponzi schemes deflate"
mircea_popescu: i expect there's going to be a "climatology winter" too starting next year, as opposed to "we lied for pay and after that the employer had no further use of lying pseudoscientists".
asciilifeform: already started, no ?
asciilifeform: (per yesterday's log)
mircea_popescu: "Lattice-based cryptography is another important candidate for post-quantum public-key cryptography, and is the main topic of this blog post. The main practical reason to consider lattice-based encryption rather than code-based encryption is that lattice-based systems advertise much smaller public keys." << WRONG.
mircea_popescu: small public key = you lose. small block = you lose. quickly computable = you lose.
mircea_popescu: get with the motherfucking program, bunch of snake oil salesmen.
asciilifeform: plus the whole climatology thing was a misguided excercise - the reich for some reason thought people would happily deindustrialize and starve out of religious fervor, but then understood that bayonet is good enough
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite yes
mircea_popescu: neither fervor nor bayonet. "people", if you can call english speakers that, will industrialize as they do : out of pompous laziness. that's how it always goes.
mircea_popescu: what color lipstick you put on that pig - vanitas vanitatum.
asciilifeform: deindustrialize.
mircea_popescu: industrialization is driven on the backs of starving slave/iobagi, and deindustrialization is driven by lazy, entitled idiots.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it's what i meant.
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mircea_popescu: exact equivalent of the anabolic/catabolic processes in the human body. if there aren't people falling over in the street out of sheer hunger as an unremarkable phenomenon, there's no industrialization afoot. if there aren't any "self-betterment" dudes moving about, there's no dezindustrialization occurring.
mircea_popescu: re other thread : the only point of interest in lattice stuff would be homomorphisms. which don't work yet.
asciilifeform: actually mega-nonsecret, it sorta does work
asciilifeform: i have it right here at rupture farms
asciilifeform: not ~UNIVERSAL~, and provably
asciilifeform: but for 'certain values of works' - worx.
mircea_popescu: well kinda what i mean by doesn't work : "works for some values of work"
mircea_popescu: if i meant does not work at all i would make no mention whatever.
asciilifeform: it is provably not doable for arbitrary turing tape.
asciilifeform: back to earlier's thread, i am willing to pascal's wager on shor's algo SO LONG AS it costs me nothing.
asciilifeform: possibly unlike mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: even going under that : afaik not yet usable in crypto
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform things may cost you nothing, that is your privilege. things always cost me something, because of my peculiar relationship with the fucking future.
asciilifeform: what does using multiple SANELY INDEPENDENT cipherators cost mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: alowing the possibility that this scam is actually worth taking seriously costs the people who follow what i say whatever it may cost them.
asciilifeform: srsly, if there is one mega-lesson mircea_popescu taught me, it is that by DEMANDING sanity, you will get it
mircea_popescu: works for pussy, also.
mircea_popescu: the two are much closelier related than people generally wish to accept.
asciilifeform: incidentally, to pick up a thread from last night, one useful lemma re: chaining is,
asciilifeform: have multiple branches of possible inner cipher at every level
asciilifeform: enemy does not know which follows.
mircea_popescu: yes. always large block to small ; always few to many options.
mircea_popescu: branch it out like a tree.
mircea_popescu: (this reduces to what the idiots do with their s boxes incidentally)
mircea_popescu: if a very ugly degenerate form.
asciilifeform: this is really a specificity-of-diddling theorem application.
asciilifeform: eliminate things enemy may rely on.
mircea_popescu: so as you can no doubt follow, asciilifeform from the political considerations discussed it follows that while i don't allow for the possibility of "quantum computer", i don't disallow your implementing a scheme which would be deemed (by idiots) as "quantum resistant".
mircea_popescu: check out how complicated things get.
asciilifeform: i can even see the dirigle algebra involved here !
asciilifeform: *dirigible
asciilifeform: see wat happens when earth bloke hangs out with martians long enough.
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron improving
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mircea_popescu: apparently it's "one of about 20" nao.
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asciilifeform: is his name Sed ?
asciilifeform: 'hire this guy'
mircea_popescu: sed the hirethisguy.
asciilifeform: 3-5k per chump per mo. for doing jack shit?
asciilifeform: not bad
mircea_popescu: fiat money tho, not terribly useful.
asciilifeform: just 1 of these is enough to stay in roquefort and orc-free street
asciilifeform: useful enough.
asciilifeform: it won't buy a dirigible, no
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mircea_popescu: pretty good yea
assbot: Ritter's Crypto Glossary and Dictionary of Technical Cryptography ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9fzCq )
asciilifeform: scroll to 'deceptive article'
mircea_popescu: "Since most conventional block ciphers are in fact product ciphers, they testify to the worth of multiple encryption, even with weak internal ciphering functions."
mircea_popescu: exactly what we were saying above re s boxes
asciilifeform: but i'm blown away by the maurer & massey thing
asciilifeform: ftp://ftp.inf.ethz.ch/pub/crypto/publications/MauMas93a.pdf << found it.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that that particular item informs anything.
mircea_popescu: i for instance had never read it / wouldn't care to now.
asciilifeform: psychiatric, not mathematical.
asciilifeform: strictly for entomologists !
mircea_popescu: yeah but dunno.
asciilifeform: the paper is pretty tame, actually
asciilifeform: not sure why he picked it up as disinfo
mircea_popescu: no idea.
asciilifeform: arrives at howlingly obvious conclusion.
asciilifeform: (incidentally, the problem of an inner cipher introducing known-plaintextisms is solved routinely by splitting the payload into xor-able halves, using rng, and enciphering each ~half~ with different cipher, rather than box-in-box composition)
asciilifeform: ^ in this case, enemy actually must break both ciphers ~independently~
asciilifeform: he cannot use knownplaintextisms created by one, to help in the other
mircea_popescu: there are some schemes which, if the result is split, lose strength
asciilifeform: not by xor
asciilifeform: again the motherfucking xor lemma
asciilifeform: so hard to grasp ?
asciilifeform: if i give you one half of a xor pair, it tells you ~nothing~ about the plaintext...
asciilifeform: and you can use shamir's split algo for n>2
asciilifeform: if you want >2 pieces.
mircea_popescu: i misread the split.
asciilifeform: what this gambit ~does~ cost, is weight
asciilifeform: you get 2x the ciphertext bitz.
mircea_popescu: look at the usual case : we exchange 1kb messages.
asciilifeform: plus whatever overhead from the individual cipherators.
mircea_popescu: if the increase is 100x this impacts nothing
mircea_popescu: similarly with the key. so large key can't be sent over the wire. bwahahahaha mkay.
mircea_popescu: (for the future, the ~ONLY way to get a key would be to ask trusted third party for it. such as hey x you know y ? send me his key!)
mircea_popescu: just like with chicks and their phone numbers.
asciilifeform: this is harmless, but to rely on the enemy having difficulty getting your pubkey is lunacy
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: merely, that the "key over the wire in the jungle" aspect need not be accounted for.
asciilifeform: ah this - yes
mircea_popescu: getting rid of one of the most idiotic constraints people-who-are-not-me put on cipher design
asciilifeform: even with ip-over-dead-goat, 1MB key is what, a few min.
mircea_popescu: quite. now 1mb IS probably too large to be useful (unless actual mathematical need/benefit for it is shown)
mircea_popescu: but kbytes, puhleaze./
mircea_popescu: so i have to leave pc overnight / rng on for ten minutes to make a key ? big whoop, i make a key a year if that, and i'm an intensive user.
asciilifeform: one demonstrable benefit is that it multiplies the cost of brute force.
asciilifeform: pretty much for free.
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asciilifeform: incidentally, imho mircea_popescu could write a splendid article about the xor lemma.
asciilifeform: and in the process, grasp it fully...
mircea_popescu: eh there is no grasping fully.
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: just like that, of the crooked timber and all that.
asciilifeform: for whatever timber - arithmetic is the straightest saw we've got.
mircea_popescu: yes but i'm not in the business of carpentry.
asciilifeform: xor lemma is probably the closest thing we have to a fundamental theorem in crypto
asciilifeform: and i admit, i would greatly enjoy reading a mircea_popescu piece on same.
mircea_popescu: that's actually true huh
mircea_popescu looks forward to a time when say berman's is a fundamental theorem in crypto
jurov: not sure it's even a crypto invention. noisy channel theory says basically the same (think channel with 50% bit flip noise)
asciilifeform: phun phakt, kotelnikov proved a good chunk of shannon, ~before~ shannon.
asciilifeform: during ww2 in fact.
mircea_popescu: jurov doesn't have to be invented in crypto to be fundamental for crypto
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'if a unary language
asciilifeform: is NP-complete then P = NP'
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mircea_popescu: did i say that somewhere ?
asciilifeform: berman's theorem
mircea_popescu: !s real first order
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asciilifeform: expand on this ?
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mircea_popescu: basically showing that a+b < c is true or false for a, b, c in R is a harder-than-NP problem.
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asciilifeform: 'Sorry, your request could not be processed because the format of the URL was incorrect. Contact the Help Desk if the problem persists. [SD-001]' << l0l
mircea_popescu: anyway, get his guy stuff from library, if can't be web'd (i spent a little trying to dig that one up).
mircea_popescu: did a lot of work on an interesting if oft neglected part of hardness / pressburger arithmetic etc.
asciilifeform: found it
asciilifeform: mega-backbreaker
mircea_popescu: (unlike peano, presburger is actually decidable. but it has no multiplication.
asciilifeform: i wil eat six airplanes before i go through this proof.
mircea_popescu: however - that decidability has a cost, and the cost is > exponential.
mircea_popescu: as a curio - this was a very promising field just about the time of mit ai being a very promising field
mircea_popescu: just like it - ALSO disappeared with virtually no trace.
mircea_popescu: the why and wherefore be left for students from the future.
asciilifeform: ww2 killed it.
asciilifeform: approximately.
mircea_popescu: this is 60s-70s and a little 80s.
asciilifeform: ah, i was thinking of Schönfinkel et al
mircea_popescu: no different bloom, this.
mircea_popescu: actually : the cost is shown to be double-exponential. fischer & rabin 1974.
asciilifeform: if this, it rose and fell with the career of s. cook.
asciilifeform: but yes, it is all now buried beneath many layers of sediment.
asciilifeform: we can dig up a little, but it is a bit like digging pompei
mircea_popescu: i originally gave it as an example to stand pro toto for a larger set. specifically - that hunting the p = np thing is a waste of time, when there are in point of fact items known to be harder than np.
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mircea_popescu: but yes, expect all such items to be buried in well - curated burial pits.
mircea_popescu: for the obvious reasons.
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asciilifeform: (most elementarily - tricks involving time travel)
asciilifeform: or everett's solution !
asciilifeform: (by some accounts - he USED it! )
asciilifeform: l0l mircea_popescu knows what it was.
asciilifeform: or hm, was it his daughter who did.
asciilifeform: (for n00bz: pistol is connected to a recognizer box, shoots you in the head in all universes where rng did not shit out the solution)
mircea_popescu: i suppose h. everett is the foundational lemma of sf.
mircea_popescu: "multiverses" and all that.
asciilifeform: in a way, we all use everett's device every day.
mircea_popescu: in the same way, we also go to bed with the empress-consort of china every night.
asciilifeform: the retarded, careless, or otherwise incapacitated versions of mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are not here.
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea "i don't care"
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mircea_popescu: 69 begs to differ.
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asciilifeform: spiffy, now if only it weren't javatronic
mircea_popescu: source provided.
asciilifeform: yeah let's somebody translate from the cuneiform.
mircea_popescu: iirc, eu was spending some decent money on a derivative to evaluate safety of embedded systems
asciilifeform: the mega-champ is acl2.
asciilifeform: !s acl2
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asciilifeform has the b00k, and the worked-examples one
asciilifeform: used at, e.g., amd, to prove the correctness of their alu.
asciilifeform: (after the intel debacle)
mircea_popescu: http://www.cesarproject.eu/ there we go. "To maintain the European leading edge position in the transportation as well as automation market, CESAR aims to boost cost efficiency of embedded systems development and safety and certification processes by an order of magnitude."
asciilifeform: cute. the same folks as did the block cipher contest
asciilifeform: (how did that end?)
mircea_popescu: "a contest of which nothing is known but the name", i guess.
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mircea_popescu: M18, 2015.09.28–29: DIAC 2015: Directions in Authenticated Ciphers 2015. Singapore.
mircea_popescu: TBA: Deadline for Verilog/VHDL.
mircea_popescu: TBA: Announcement of third-round candidates.
asciilifeform: not over yet?
mircea_popescu: i guess the correct answe is "not ended yet"
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mircea_popescu: There is an extensive, and apparently never-ending, literature on "lightweight identification protocols" such as HB, HB+, HB++, HB-MP, HB*, Trusted-HB, and HBsharp. Each of these protocols was broken within one year of being proposed. Note that any authenticated cipher can trivially be used for identification: the challenger sends a random message; the prover sends back the same message, authenticated.
asciilifeform: !up Conflict
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the crapple power cable thread? device makers want 'authenticator' in every candy wrapper. and so are drawn to crackpot 'ten transistors!1111' auth schemes like moths to flames
mircea_popescu: it's lulzy how shitthy these are.
mircea_popescu: i guess someone should make a three-mosfet hash function. just spit out the 1/f pink.
asciilifeform: the schmuck peddling group-theoretical crypto firm at 'shmoocon' wanted auth chips in pills
mircea_popescu: "hashing - works ; reproducibility - not yet. BUT IT IS UNBREAKABLE!"
asciilifeform: spreadingworks!
mircea_popescu: copypaste ^
mircea_popescu: ah by now two days old. i guess stale huh.
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mircea_popescu: chanz dramas.
asciilifeform: the other mega-nonsecret,
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asciilifeform: usg ~really~ wants non-clonable, non-spoofable cheap rfid
asciilifeform: to spread everywhere
mircea_popescu: gotta track 'em goats.
asciilifeform: 'smart dust' etc.
asciilifeform: track every used napkin.
mircea_popescu: but yes. however, unfortunately for them, this is a very hard problem.
copypaste: mircea_popescu: yes already stale
mircea_popescu: anything good in there ?
asciilifeform: phun phakt, many (most?) auto tyres already infested with (ordinary) rfid
asciilifeform: plain old serial # transponder.
mircea_popescu: that's actually a very close solution. about as good as it gets in terms of your dream "sunken bubbles in the ocean"
mircea_popescu: costs more to cut the tyre and replace or make a replacement than it costs to let it be.
shinohai: copypaste: was very much a tl;dr
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can burn them remotely
asciilifeform: elementary.
mircea_popescu: !up PierreDe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes but then won't have one.
asciilifeform: will - once you inject new one
asciilifeform: hence why they want micro-authenticator.
asciilifeform: right now you can trivially make replacement chip with arbitrary #
mircea_popescu: i suppose once people get serious about it, it could be made to cost less than the tyre.
asciilifeform: also the things cost about a dime now
asciilifeform: which means only a handful per tyre
asciilifeform: if they were smaller...
mircea_popescu: "I understand a business has to make money. 8chan needs to make money to survive, but making money and being open source is not mutually exclusive. Lots of sites do it, including reddit, one of the biggest sites on the Internet today."
mircea_popescu: ajhaha what the fuck is wrong with these retards.
mircea_popescu: "emperor palpatine" and "reddit, one of the blabla". 1) reddit is shit ; 2) reddit never made any fucking money.
asciilifeform: is open source ? wut?
mircea_popescu: i dunno that i'd eat salami made out of kids today.
asciilifeform: where do i read the vote fudge algo ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what they're drinking, but there's this cloud of pointedly useless 20somethings floating around in this lalaland of delusional thinking the likes of which has not been seen ever since the turks wore the byzantine "aristocratic" kids as cock decorations five centuries ago.
asciilifeform: and there wasn't, in '93 ?
mircea_popescu: reddit makes money and is important, star wars is an acceptable font of comparisons, "exaggeration" in the sense of cracked.com retardation is an acceptable stylistic maneuver, and the list just goes on and on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dude. 20yo in '93 was fucking afraid of getting a beatdown.
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mircea_popescu: these delusioanl urchins are so used to seeing themselves as a sort of neo-in-matrix that it just doesn't compute.
asciilifeform: eternal september looks much the same now as then
asciilifeform: what really changed is the lack of reference.
mircea_popescu: to my eyes, sept 93 looks like the flu as compared to this bubonic leprosy varicella.
asciilifeform: in '93 there ~were~ functioning industries that set a standard for wrangling physical reality.
asciilifeform: whereas today 'vc billionaire'
mircea_popescu: but this is important! these shitheads are ENTIRELY self referential now.
asciilifeform: arse-mouth.
asciilifeform: best restaurant is a hose!111
mircea_popescu: i think as the collapse advances, i will be very hard pressed to resist the temptation to take a trip over to sf and just serb the fucking place.
mircea_popescu: go door to door, beat all males to death, rape all females, load them up in trucks and ship them to fucking bahrein. what the everliving fuck, these people should not live.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea genocide could be so intellectually appealing.
mircea_popescu: but hey, "i guess now you know how the ''syrian refugees'' feel".
asciilifeform: i thought they felt 'hey, free shit'
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mircea_popescu: i think it's a lot more like "look, befouled real estate"
mircea_popescu: "copper sulphate and planks with nails, clean this shit out"
asciilifeform: the 'cleaners' are 100% catabolic.
asciilifeform: left alone, they could not make even a goat.
mircea_popescu: the cleaners are how you even have the word algorithm.
asciilifeform: ahaha l0l no.
asciilifeform: no more than modern egypt built the pyramids.
mircea_popescu: well i guess this point shall be verified in practice huh.
mircea_popescu: there's no stopping the cleansing, i dun think.
asciilifeform: limonov understood in '92
asciilifeform: the western mental asylum can do many things to many people, but cannot make them ~want to live~
asciilifeform: even orwell in '43 essay understood why, e.g., hitler is appealing vs the insipid fossil civilization orwell inhabited
asciilifeform: and germany was an only slightly better-looking horse at that glue factory, even.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey what's all the rumour of a euro resistance movement ? disinfo ?
asciilifeform: wishful thinking ?
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mircea_popescu: no idea.
mircea_popescu: but as best i can discern, any sort of "resistance movement" would be in the sense of "we'll do the raping and pillaging ourselves, who are these foreign derps" rather than "we'll defend the shithole".
mircea_popescu: so only very technically a "resistance", more like a first-to-kick-the-loser competition.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wassat ?
danielpbarron: idk i found it on twatter
mircea_popescu: looks like some sort of "happening" or w/e.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00055441 = 11.1436 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - http://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/#b20
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103518 @ 0.00056368 = 58.351 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24282 @ 0.00057174 = 13.883 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16952 @ 0.0005716 = 9.6898 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16216 @ 0.00057586 = 9.3381 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38620 @ 0.00057771 = 22.3112 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b19
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump to win South Carolina Republican Primary - http://bitbet.us/bet/1244/donald-trump-to-win-south-carolina-republican-primary/#b21
assbot: What Roger Ver thinks about Theymos? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGmQHo )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00057332 = 22.3021 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: keks
shinohai: What's Roger Ver doing on bitcointalk anyway since he built his own forum to be a beacon of free speech?
mircea_popescu: nobody cared and he's a drama queen ?
mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 286608 @ 0.00055835 = 160.0276 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00055211 = 45.1074 BTC [-]
assbot: Card frauds used bitcoins to trade money - Times of India ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWL5QZ )
mircea_popescu: but whatever, the fiat deck of cards will endure because... i dunno, everyone will promise to not take a shit on it and also uphold that promise. sounds workable :D
gernika: mod6 verified in v99995_beta2 that it no longer presses a non-existent patch name and throws an error instead.
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mircea_popescu: cheers gernika
mod6: thanks gernika!
gernika: yw mod6 :)
deedbot-: [Qntra] Bitcointalk Default Trust Member Escrow.ms Arrested For Debit Card Fraud - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcointalk-default-trust-member-escrow-ms-arrested-for-debit-card-fraud/
punkman: the neverending *chan drama eh
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff. << NEver forget $50 Blockchain.info chargeback because Ver's sticky hands were in all the things then
mircea_popescu: lol. ridoinculous.
punkman: mircea_popescu: did you ever advertise on 2ch?
mircea_popescu: the "captains of industry" days.
mircea_popescu: punkman i asked them to either support bitcoin or do a one time deal for me. they were going to get back, never did.
mircea_popescu: why, you know someone ?
punkman: was just wondering if you ever talked to the Jim fellow that owns both that and 8ch
BingoBoingo: Remember when copypaste though he owned 8chan? That's the sort of misunderstanding that seems to preclude doing business with 2ch.
assbot: 2ch Chronicle - Wikibooks, open books for an open world ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrtxPa )
punkman: also the other guy that thought he owned 2ch
punkman: "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover."
assbot: /newspaper/ - [HISTORY][2CH.NET][RP] ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrulDD )
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assbot: Agents of Thermos: "Default Trust" member Escrow.ms arrested, Tradefortress still at large : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RruGX0 )
mircea_popescu: punkman mind that by their very nature, chans NEVER pay for their bills.
mircea_popescu: it's always a godfather sort of deal.
BingoBoingo: I just found out that apparently using a radio telescope pointed at a pulsar for a time source is something actually being done.
mircea_popescu: for a while now. quite good timepiece, a pulsar.
punkman: mircea_popescu: well Jim must be making some money to pay for the bandwidth, no?
BingoBoingo: I can finally replace wound spring for keeping me standard time
punkman: !up copy
mod6: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Jul 14 04:52:41 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 22 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.
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BingoBoingo: Today I learned Gavin Assassinen is on the city council https://archive.is/XXyKh
assbot: BatChainer comments on Bitcoin Classic Release Announcement ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWTqUH )
mircea_popescu: by "godfather sort of deal" i mean specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300594
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 15:12:55; mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Sociological catalogue entry: Chumpatronico Cancúnica - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/10/sociological-catalogue-entry-chumpatronico-cancunica/
asciilifeform: also 3133333337 latex !!111 vs american microshit wurd !!111
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assbot: Urban farmers working vacant Kinloch property get surprise when land's rightful owner shows up : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWUt75 )
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_d_out You know, you might want to defend your title from nubbins' as it seems he wants all of Canada to himself.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 01:47:54; punkman: "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover."
asciilifeform: (who remembers?? 'i was never a sc4mz0r, but now you called me one, and thereby i now lack the money to fill $promise' )
BingoBoingo: That's roughly half of all discussions in the history of bitcointalk
punkman: heh
assbot: the magnetic fields - underwear - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdEBRb )
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/TUZ3hZ7.jpg <<< must have this shirt
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53585 @ 0.00055121 = 29.5366 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu one well-massaged class of super-NP complexity classes is PSPACE - and i distinctly recall a proof that the mega-game 'sokoban' is PSPACE-complete.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: CiteSeerX — Sokoban is PSPACE-complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTJSwy )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: sokoban as PoW would be interesting
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