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asciilifeform: 'eat right, exercise, be the healthiest corpse at the cemetary'
bitstein: asciilifeform: what's the other option?
asciilifeform: !up saifedean
saifedean: asciilifeform: the point is to join the cemetary at the same time as the high school class 30 years your junior
mircea_popescu: so that what ?
asciilifeform: l0l good luck with that.
saifedean: the best way to defeat your enemies is to write their obituaries yourself
mircea_popescu: eh. you keep approaching a multivariate problem with a good feeling about having found the right single variable this time.
punkman: why spent time on and believe in either modern- or paleo- nutrition science?
saifedean: while your friends will be shitting their pants in retirement homes on diabetes medication, you'll be out there living life like a normal human
saifedean: i dont know punkman, why look either side when you cross the road?
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as a normal human.
saifedean: the road is a multivariate problem, after all
saifedean: lol thanks, Ezra Klein
mircea_popescu: it looks like the letter șm.
saifedean: orly? no normal human? i guess diabetes at 40 sounds grand, then
bitstein: mircea_popescu: eat nothing but super fatty meat (80:20 fat:protein by calories) for 30 days. you'll feel good too.
bitstein: you're in argentina, one of the cheapest places on earth to run such an experiment
mircea_popescu: yeah, because that's my criteria o.O
asciilifeform: isn't this how polar explorers contracted protein poisoning?
bitstein: ribeyes are what, $4 USD a pound?
saifedean: the criteria unfortunately is not money, it's cake!
bitstein: asciilifeform: rabbit starvation is because of a lack of fat
trinque: bitstein: strange how your teeth don't look much like the teeth of an animal that makes this its business.
bitstein: Yea, I have these good for nothing canines and incisors.
trinque yawns
bitstein: My molars certainly don't look like those of herbivores.
mircea_popescu: the chief merit of the human body is that it's so incredibly tolerant, it'll carry forward all sorts of bizarre notions of the inhabitant.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: yea, like that it can handle lots of sugar and insulin
mircea_popescu: can handle all sorta things.
saifedean: yes, your body is amazingly tolerant you can choose to live your life walking on your hands and using tools with your legs... but you do not have to
saifedean: and if you spent your entire life walking on your hands... it will sound crazy when someone tells you these hands would do a better job on a keyboard than feet!
asciilifeform: dietary crackpottery is interesting psychiatrically. and fundamentally works - in the eating just about ANYTHING, even gravel, is healthier than subsisting on american petro-garbage
mircea_popescu: come to think about it... you've never had a proper argentine porterhouse steak have you
asciilifeform: but notice how no one is hyping the (very demonstrable) health benefits of... sleeping ad libitum
asciilifeform: because it is NOT ACCESSIBLE to people in general
saifedean: lamb > beef any day
mircea_popescu: yes they are.
mircea_popescu: you don't spend enough time with the chicks >1.80 alfie.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they only live on atomic dirigible
asciilifeform: so how would i.
bitstein: asciilifeform: that's my argument against vegetarianism
asciilifeform: i'm not even >180
mircea_popescu: every slut out there knows, that she can either sleep enough or age prematurely. ask 'em.
mircea_popescu: from an anthropologist's pov, this entire "paleo" thing is pretty much a bunch of boys wanting to be as annoying as the vegans but not ready to embrace metrosexualism or w/e it's called.
asciilifeform: 'stupidity with flipped sign bit'
mircea_popescu: you know, like the xtians have "their own" xtian rock, and the boring kids have their own "straight edge" punk which is all about punk if you live in wichita.
mircea_popescu: and so on.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what everyone thinks, multiculturalism has its advantages.
saifedean: that's very profound coming from someone whose only real problem with trying paleo is their addiction to cake :D
saifedean: fucking cake
bitstein: mircea_popescu: my problem with "paleo" is it doesn't take itself seriously. paleo people eat so many foods that are only a few thousand years old. just look to their favorite veggies like broccoli, kale, cauliflower...
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saifedean: fuck broccoli, kale, and cauliflower
mircea_popescu: you know, since im on okcupid about 10 derpy chicks a day go "o, i know why you're not married, you're AFRAID of it!!1"
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally, something;s stupid because i'm not good enough for it, i'll buy that.
saifedean: they're an improvement over bread and pasta, but they're not what's gonna make you strong and healthy
asciilifeform: 'coward is a fella who refuses to take a suicidal risk for somebody else's benefit' (tm) (r) (ilkka kokkarinen)
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with pasta. just don't eat too much of it.
saifedean: there's nothing wrong with cyanide, too, by that logic
mircea_popescu: eh get out. plutonium, why not. BLACK HOLE!11
asciilifeform finds it interesting how well dietary crackpottery fits with the ancient tradition of 'salvation by rejecting flesh pleasures'
mircea_popescu: it does dunnit.
saifedean: but that's not how it works. grains are fucking poison, and the more you eat, the more you kill yourself. there is no "too much", any quantity is bad. if you can get over your sugar addiction enough to cut it all out, you'd be far healthier
asciilifeform: hair shirt.
mircea_popescu: dude, the more you eat anything the more you kill yourself. go vacuseal your carcass already.
bitstein: asciilifeform: what are you talking about? my entire diet is composed of flesh pleasures.
mircea_popescu: also the more babies your women have the older you get. and so on.
asciilifeform: bitstein: keep telling yourself that.
saifedean: lol you guys are addicted to the sugar rush and insulin spike... try to get over that addiction for a month, then try pasta and see how it feels
bitstein: whoosh
saifedean: it's fucking shit
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, i actually lived on a hunter's diet.
saifedean: it tastes like shit and it makes you feel like shit and it kills you slowly.
saifedean: and what did you do about CAKE o.0
mircea_popescu: nothing ?
saifedean: now quit meat for a month and get back to it, and it'll be the best day of your life when you have your first steak in a month
asciilifeform did this as a student, got violently ill
mircea_popescu: dude gets caught talking out of his ass - for the third time in an evening only, so i guess that's not so bad - switches seamlessly to more of the same.
mircea_popescu: how about... you know.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> you know, like the xtians have "their own" xtian rock << or rap
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mircea_popescu: ahahahah rap too ?!
asciilifeform: i shit thee not: there is rap in ru.
punkman: saifedean: it's peculiar that every time you visit you want to have the same discussion
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's a pity they didn't put any copyright notices opn that page. for one thing, copyright doesn't work without a notice, and for the other - someone could steal their muzak!
trinque: punkman: fun to be the bearer of secret knowledge
danielpbarron: i think there is a copyright notice
bitstein: punkman: it's peculiar that people are so nihilistic about nutrition, a fundamental aspect of being alive and being human
asciilifeform: bitstein: about cure-alls
asciilifeform: and hair shirts.
mircea_popescu: bitstein being disinterested in innovation as to a fundamental part of one's culture does not have anything to see with "being nihilistic about nutrition"
bitstein: who said anything about a cure-all?
trinque: and one neat trick they dun want u to kno
mircea_popescu: go talk to israeli jews about you know, your solution to their geopolitical problems.
mircea_popescu: "dudes, if you only took left turns while driving for three months everything would be fixed!"
asciilifeform: and aha don't forget to mention their 'favourite' recommendation, 'go live in antarctica'
mircea_popescu: but ... i'm addicted to taking the bitchez on nude walks!
saifedean: the most amusingly funny aspect of this is that you folk sound exactly like my economist colleagues dismissing bitcoin... you don't know anything about it, but you can make up enough strawmen and groupthink to feel better about dismissing it
mircea_popescu: iirc you're the guy that upon examination turned out to be bereft of experience in the matter.
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saifedean: what examination?! which strawman was that?
mircea_popescu: eh enough of the crap
mircea_popescu: !down saifedean
mircea_popescu: strawman bearers are not to bring up strawmen.
asciilifeform: and wtf happened to his wot rating ?!
asciilifeform: where'd it go
mircea_popescu: he had one ?
asciilifeform: i must have hallucinated ?
mircea_popescu: !s rate saifedean
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bitstein: mircea_popescu: next: !down cake
bitstein: !up fatty meat
mircea_popescu: actually kinda reminds me of the story of that guy, the anesthesiologist.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: just who /is/ the 'brightest mind in banking alive today'?
mircea_popescu: !s isarescu
assbot: 3 results for 'isarescu' :
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the one who was really rather talented but sold it all for western trinkets ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, this bizarre monomania sorta thing.
pete_dushenski: so turns out transcript work is not for the faint of heart.
ben_vulpes: pandemic, asciilifeform? /pandemic/?
pete_dushenski: and all i was doing was copying subtitles, and i was still floored by the volume
pete_dushenski: anyways, glad to see bitbet payouts finally worked their way through the grinder
ben_vulpes: any idea what your wpm was, pete_dushenski?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: too slow to leave the film running
pete_dushenski: many a stop and start were needed
ben_vulpes: sounds like you need some pedals like trinque
punkman: pro transcriptionists do use pedals
pete_dushenski: thankfully, youtubes pause with the spacebar, so the mouse wasn't needed
pete_dushenski reaches for cognac all the same
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ben_vulpes: saifedean, funkenstein_, and DiabloD3 - the list of dietary nutters grows...
pete_dushenski: who was that last guy again ?
pete_dushenski: ;;seen diablod3
gribble: diablod3 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 16 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <DiabloD3> its a work in progress
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 05:33:16; asciilifeform: and wtf happened to his wot rating ?!
mircea_popescu: now there's a worthy cause, de-win one's diet.
ben_vulpes: a winrar is he
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 05:26:59; mircea_popescu: dude gets caught talking out of his ass - for the third time in an evening only, so i guess that's not so bad - switches seamlessly to more of the same.
ben_vulpes: rip tiberius
mircea_popescu: anyway, diablo-d3 is a guy that did some work on one of the earliest independent miners (ie, gpu based not cpu based like the origian client), then followed up with a lulzy explosion at tardstalk over his plan to collect 1mn btc which "the community" owed him, and then use it to build some fantastic datacenter-cum-powerplant altogether reminescent of
assbot: Moment de visare on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: after that didn't happen he had a moment of butthurt, then moved on to dealing in partnering up with usagi and giving away with both hands the few k's of btcs he did somehow collect (at the time btc was like 2 bux) in exchange for ridiculously valued worthless paper,
mircea_popescu: after which he pretty much disappeared.
ben_vulpes: anyways it's not cake at issue, it's kakolate ice cream
pete_dushenski: !gettrust diablod3
assbot: diablod3 is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: actually... iirc he did manage to get some asicminer shares at some point, which for a period were deemed worthless, but which then came up once they delivered and made his investors whole, or maybe close to it, or at least so he claimed at the time.
mircea_popescu: altogether not impossible.
pete_dushenski: !gettrust usagi
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mircea_popescu: anyway, for the people following the nutrition discussion along at home : the average human needs something to the tune of 2k calories a day to sit around and derp on social media. a little more if he actually moves. the sources of these calories can be protein, fat or sweets, there is nothing else. protein and sweets count at about 4 calories/gram, fat at about 7. the liver has a fixed capacity to process proteins, at
mircea_popescu: about 150-200 grams a day. there is similarly a fixed capacity to process fats. these also go through the liver, but mostly the bile is the limiting factor there. meanwhile sweets go through the pancreatic-centered insulin mechanism.
mircea_popescu: it should be obvious that one wants a mix of these three sources in their diet. (starches, such as breads etc, are all sweets for thid discussion, so is alcohol).
mircea_popescu: the limits are that on one hand you certainly can not have no fat and live ; and on the other the brain burns glucose exclusively. it is about 20 times more difficult to make it out of fat than it is to just rectify sugars, but the body'll do it if it has to.
mircea_popescu: similarly it'll adapt to anything within reason, and as far as it can help it, beyond any reason. it's only job is to keep you going and it takes it more seriously than you'll ever take anything as long as you live.
mircea_popescu: that said, the only certainty is that one day it'll fail to bring you back to homeostasis, and that's that.
ben_vulpes: stay in your performance envelope, hotshot.
pete_dushenski: << "The odds of winning are 1 in 292.2 million. So the expected value of a ticket is $800*1/292.2=$2.73. A ticket only costs $2 so that’s a positive expected value purchase! We do have to make a few adjustments, however. The $800 million is paid out over 30 years while the $2 is paid out today."
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 18:52:52; BingoBoingo: Anyone want an Illinois lottery powerball ticket for tonight's 900 million dollar drawing, for the potential collection lulz?
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
BingoBoingo: The people who end up on all fats for fuel end up having to feed the brain ketones which works as an anticonvulsant, but for the same reason alcohol does. Unbalance electrical activity in the brain is forced to slow because now burning suboptimal fuel.
BingoBoingo: Which induces a bunch of other changes.
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pete_dushenski: ^el chapo, yes, has since been recaptured
BingoBoingo: Could simulate these changes with benzodiazepine dependence (which is why people who do the Keto thing recreationally start to feel sick when carbs are introduced, ketosis stops and they undergo a drug withdrawal)
mircea_popescu: that also.
BingoBoingo apologizes for not being around to say this to the addicts, was at addict story time club poker game doubling my quarters.
BingoBoingo: But yes, when the ketosis people talk about feeling sick when consuming carbs they really are feeling sick. Dope sick, just like a junkie dosed with narcan.
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
pete_dushenski: << this title made me think immediately of nintendo's 'virtual boy'
pete_dushenski: re: virtual boy, this is why the oculus rift this ~will not~ take off
pete_dushenski: unless you can see people gawking at your new gizmo, how are you going to know what you're cool ?
pete_dushenski: virtual boy was, afaik, a sales disaster
pete_dushenski: though i recall playing with one at the store as a boy, quite an intriguing bit of kit at the time
pete_dushenski: being 21 years ago...
bitstein: I had one when it came out for about 2 hours. We took it back and got a super nintendo.
pete_dushenski checks ebay. sees that virtual boy is still dirt cheap. figures that, indeed, thing must have been utter garbage.
BingoBoingo also floored by the dairy hate, WHERE ELSE DOES WHEY COME FROM???
pete_dushenski: bitstein: heads up play
pete_dushenski: heya bitstein, you ever figure out what happened to your boy pierre ? seemed like he went off the reservation of late re:
pete_dushenski: 'core devs'
pete_dushenski: and 'unlimited' or some shit
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BingoBoingo thinks it was mere trolling. He was pushing this 1MB blocksize limit is preserved when blocksize limit removed enitrely because consensus.
pete_dushenski: not impossible
pete_dushenski: the trolling theory, not the 'consensus'
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The idea is the burden of "consensus" forces the status quo 1MB blocksize to be preserved
bitstein: it's an interesting idea
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 03:54:17; mircea_popescu: but anyway. natural birth has a huge following in the states. almost unknown in yurp.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell saifedean Re: your tweets. I am sorry I can not help you at this time. If however your ketone dependence makes you hit bottom and your life becomes unmanagable, there's probably a group for that.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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pete_dushenski: ^balls o' steel
BingoBoingo: <bitstein> it's an interesting idea << It's how I'm interpreting Pierre's twitter trolling. Anyways it is hard to hold people to what they say on the social media playground of propagandaneering
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 04:31:31; mircea_popescu: less reading more suckling ok ?
pete_dushenski: << quebec is only canadian province, probably because their laws are a little more 'flexible' than the rest. or maybe just because they're not ~complete~ puritanical riris.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 04:42:13; danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania << same here in Connecticut, the one state in all of the ussa that permits sale outside of a farm
pete_dushenski: << unpasteurised milk is also key for making the best perogy cheese
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 04:44:46; mircea_popescu: certainly can make your own curds.
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ben_vulpes: someone has opinions about the curve
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 05:24:10; *: asciilifeform finds it interesting how well dietary crackpottery fits with the ancient tradition of 'salvation by rejecting flesh pleasures'
BingoBoingo: Pythagoreans et al
ben_vulpes: guarding plebs from the madness of irrational numbers!
BingoBoingo: Also weird dietary rules
BingoBoingo up on every bet tonight, but powerball
BingoBoingo: Hockey underdog whose trend demanded a bet won, more than doubled my quarters at poker, powerball though... scam
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.0, vol: 4192.40870118 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 442.744, vol: 4910.58495 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.39, vol: 9429.25670172 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 434.8, vol: 3.421 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 446.511617, vol: 44346.65710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.11953, vol: 51.25769428 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 451.0373, vol: 14.33694003 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 446.166301563
pete_dushenski: ith: you from alberta or bc ?
ith: pete_dushenski: BC
ith: What year is it? :)
ith: Middle of BC
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ith: Though south
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pete_dushenski: ith: kelowna ? kamloops ?
ith: pete_dushenski: Vernon
pete_dushenski: ah neat. i have an aunt there.
ith: I think Vernon is an Illuminati support city. Is your aunt a psychopath?
pete_dushenski: hm. y'know now that you mention it
BingoBoingo: Frome the mines, health scamzors getting poor: "Move over, quinoa, kale, and açaí– 2016’s newest superfood might come in a familiar package (or can). Pulses — the dried edible seeds of legume plants, which include things like lentils, dried peas, and beans — are hoping to get their moment in the spotlight, thanks in part to a United Nations campaign to make 2016 the International Year of Pulses."
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: saw the same 'pulses' suggestion in cbc's article on grocery store inflation
pete_dushenski: ith: so what keeps you busy in vernon ? pretty sleepy little town last i was through
ith: pete_dushenski: I am being held prisoner by the Illuminati and can't escape. All day I try to survive relentlous attacks on my mind from my mother, my father and others who speak to me from the apartment downstairs, and manipulate me by directing messages to me (appearing to be speaking to a caller), in the case of my father, from the living room
ith: I struggle daily to survive and find a way to be free of these people
ith: (on the phone)
pete_dushenski: from mr. reed, who unfortunately doesn't have a comments section with which to correct his lack of 'bahamas' : "I’m going to move to Mexico. I swear I am. Except that I already have. Well, I’m going to move there twice. It’s to get away from Hussein Obama."
BingoBoingo: Have you tired risperidone ith
ith: They have stolen my brain code and use electromagnetic weapons to manipulate me by making it appear that sounds are coming from beneath concrete floors, etc. to try to drive me crazy
pete_dushenski: !down ith
ith: :(
ben_vulpes: > brain codes
pete_dushenski to his warm bed
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BingoBoingo: ^ Good use of picture? yes or no?
BingoBoingo: Research-a-lol "The Associated Press has gone from describing the protesters as a “militia” to “armed men” or “armed ranchers,” saying the word “militia” confuses its international audience." >>
assbot: Whose land is it, anyway? Critics, supporters of armed Oregon occupiers agree protest must end — RT USA ... ( )
BingoBoingo: Because oh, militant opposition groups aren't for the United States. They are only for Countries they CIA plants them in.
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BingoBoingo: Same link on Oathers: "A local “Committee for Safety,” which coordinates with Oath Keepers, has approached the protesters and asked them to leave."
ben_vulpes: trinque: yeah those failed boost targets are a real bitch
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copypaste: will the bitcoin foundation be accepting "segregated witness" into its client?
copypaste: (i mean, not any fake one)
adlai: copypaste: i don't speak on their behalf, but it's highly doubtful that it'll include such opt-in softforks
copypaste: i think they should make a statement on it if it gets into Bitcoin "Core", since it seems to have wide support (but this support could just be imaginary on my part)
adlai: you must have missed a few trilema/qntra articles?
copypaste: i'd be especially curious how the bitcoin foundation would react if more than half of transactions were using it,
copypaste: adlai: does BingoBoingo/qntra speak for the bitcoin foundation?
adlai: eh, proportion of transactions is an unclear measure. proportion of utxos is a clearer one, and you can see that eg p2sh still has quite small market share, despite being adopted by several fiat-btc exchange sites
adlai: no, the foundation issues its own statements, such as:
assbot: [BTC-dev] Regarding Transaction Signatures ... ( )
copypaste: right, but i'm pretty sure that script hash transactions are something that has to be opted into, meanwhile "segregated witness" if to work "well" (i.e. for maximum transactions) would have to be invisible to the user, as in on by default
copypaste: so many users might use it without noticing especially if it becomes default in bitcoin core.
copypaste: but you have to take specific steps to send to a script hash
adlai: if you run a full node which has no recognition of segwit, you can still operate normally. segwit is dangerous for a) users of non-full nodes who think they have "SPV security" (whatever that may mean), and b) everybody, if enough utxos use segwit that miner defection becomes a real risk
adlai: copypaste: you may want to read as well, it explains possible failure modes for people who don't recognize softforks such as segwit
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] On the security of softforks ... ( )
copypaste: thank you, i will
adlai: what happens with segwit is that people who do opt-in, have significantly less security in the face of miner defection
adlai: miner defection can't steal from people who didn't opt-in, although it causes reorganizations and general headless-chicken-panic
adlai: copypaste: also check out which I like to interpret as the bounties available to defecting miners, should full nodes let them revert each respective soft fork
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assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 06:34:00; pete_dushenski: unless you can see people gawking at your new gizmo, how are you going to know what you're cool ?
mircea_popescu: << ironically enough, in classical ro medicine (ie, pre 1990) ketonic bodies in bloodstream was part of the semiology manual.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 06:50:13; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell saifedean Re: your tweets. I am sorry I can not help you at this time. If however your ketone dependence makes you hit bottom and your life becomes unmanagable, there's probably a group for that.
mircea_popescu: mostly because type 1 diabetes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13625 @ 0.00050276 = 6.8501 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 07:16:55; assbot: New Yorkers Can Now Be Fined $250,000 For Not Using Loony Gender Pronouns Like “Ze” And “Hir” ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "Apologists for this kind of SJW fascism will contend that the $250,000 fine is not mandatory and is a maximum, as if it somehow eliminates the farce of the laws’ new interpretation." << you know, consensus will enforce the lower limit.
mircea_popescu: hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: everyone still living in new york must now use "Blasioisanidiotmarriedtoadisgustingnigger" as my preferred gender pronoun. failure to do so "more than a couple of times" means you gotta self-report yourself to city hall. bring your fine with you.
mircea_popescu: anyway, all the lulz aside, someone point out to the guy that the guidance is for employers and other "covered entitites", and his "quarelling couple in a bar" chosen example is entirely nonsensical. what the fuck is with these idiots, nobody went to school that speaks english ? a fucking generation of kelly bundys out there for the love of christ.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 07:59:18; BingoBoingo: ^ Good use of picture? yes or no?
mircea_popescu: "who normally presides over a force of local force of six," nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: lemme re-do this entire thing for ya.
mircea_popescu: " Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who normally presides over a force of local force of six, is the public face of the combined government effort lead by Federal forces." becomes "Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who normally presides over a force of locally forced six is now the public face of the combined government effort lead by Federal Force IV."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00050385 = 1.6879 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and add a ((Mark to be pronounced "Carl" not "four")) on that IV
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu never sleeps
mircea_popescu: i sleep through representatives.
mircea_popescu: << hahaha check it out! blockstream and whoever else have reached consensus!!11
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 08:02:09; assbot: Whose land is it, anyway? Critics, supporters of armed Oregon occupiers agree protest must end — RT USA ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 12:41:58; copypaste: adlai: does BingoBoingo/qntra speak for the bitcoin foundation?
mircea_popescu: lot of other good stuff on that site.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 12:43:48; copypaste: so many users might use it without noticing especially if it becomes default in bitcoin core.
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 19:28:40; mircea_ahoy: direct any complaints as to "why my txn has been waiting for x days" to anyone and everyone who is running non-conformant bitcoin implementations. starting with the pools.
mircea_popescu: seeing how exactly 100% of bitcoin businesses are run by people here, it'll be a funny dispute between you know, the actual bitcoin people and all the derps sitting at the edges and opining about how things should be.
thestringpuller: that's what's irking me about the softfork nuclear option
mircea_popescu: << like they, and everyone else in the indistinct usg hydra, reacts every single time this happens, as it does weekly by now :
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 12:40:52; copypaste: i'd be especially curious how the bitcoin foundation would react if more than half of transactions were using it,
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
thestringpuller: "An interesting consequence of this design is that, since all mapped blocks are empty, old clients will never see transactions confirming." << there are proposed soft forks which will essentially fork other nodes off the network.
shinohai: thestringpuller: any luck with your node?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there is fundamentally nothing wrong with people using the permanence nature of the blockchain to enshrine data relevant to them in it. we do it already, with deedbot.
mircea_popescu: you could say that there is something fundamentally wrong with the fraudulent nature of their claims - because no, they're not moving bitcoin back and forth, but mere derivative tokens - but then again, to get the muppets to follow along and get out of actual human beings' way, you usually have to lie to them.
mircea_popescu: i am glad these dudes are here to do the lying so i don't have to, and with that... good riddance.
mircea_popescu: if all the coffee buying "with bitcoin", all five of the yearly instances, moves on a deedbot-like thing or simply goes away it makes exactly 0 difference.
thestringpuller: this is fine as long as my future trb node can witness transactions being confirmed that it broadcasted.
thestringpuller: if I broadcast tx and have to use block explorer or god forbid "upgrade" to see it confirm, then I take issue
mircea_popescu: i'm sure it will.
thestringpuller: shinohai: i gave mod6 access to my box for further diagnostics
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8880 @ 0.00050098 = 4.4487 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: imo this is why TRB Foundation is so important. it not only decrufts the shitty code but acts as defenders of the blockchain
shinohai: Oh awesum. zzzzzzzzztook me a little longer to get a VM up than I thought, I'm in the process of upgrading to new lappy.
mircea_popescu: this said, it has to be pointed out that the one thing all these derps have in common is - that they can not afford to pay for the hardware that is required to run their software they've "contributed". (and re this, is apropos.) in this sense the economic freestanding value of their "contributions" is null.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 15:58:10; mircea_popescu: THEY however, with their needs to compensate for absent intelligence through the deployment of computing hardware, DO need the shit to "improve".
mircea_popescu: their projective ability to control the future is also absent, for this reason. consequently, it is not in any sense inconceivable that a situation will come to pass where the maintenance of their derpage requires resources nobody wishes to expend.
mircea_popescu: if that happens, all the "Soft forks" get reverted on the spot, and all the "hard work" and "contributions" go to the same place windows nt codebase went.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00049702 = 4.1998 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: yes. and as I told my mom "We can't have nice things cause there are stupid people who ruin it for everyone", i think bitcoin solves this problem effectively, but must stay ever vigilant
mircea_popescu: clearly whether this happens or not is purely a matter of accident, which is to say a matter of time - all the pr derps can do exactly nothing to influence it any way
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, "contributing" to bitcoin outside of b-a / tmsr is a pure and objectively declared waste of time.
thestringpuller: ^- this exactly.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, 0/0 is still an undefined value - inasmuch as their time and effort is actually worthless then it can not be argued that they should stop what they're currentlyu doing.
mircea_popescu: so... all is well.
thestringpuller: and all will be well.
thestringpuller: shinohai: you are going to run the VM on the laptop?
thestringpuller: i think the issue is with my machine architecture.
shinohai: thestringpuller: yup, was going to try and emulate that CPU you showed me. Not sure abt the rest of the architecture tho :/
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 12:45:13; adlai: if you run a full node which has no recognition of segwit, you can still operate normally. segwit is dangerous for a) users of non-full nodes who think they have "SPV security" (whatever that may mean), and b) everybody, if enough utxos use segwit that miner defection becomes a real risk
mircea_popescu: miner defection from any and all non-trb approved soft forks is a ~GUARANTEE~ in the future. just a question of when.
mircea_popescu: and if anyone imagines the "you wouldn't be willing to hurt innocents" is going to hold worth one stitch, please kindly review the history of accidental payments to bitbet and all that.
mircea_popescu: if a billion people starve because their thousands of btc got stolen by greedy miners who saw an opportunity to revert a soft fork and took it - i'll cheer them on. that's a billion idiots less, and an absolutely ideal end state.
mircea_popescu: actually, come to think of it...
thestringpuller: << ultimately it's a resource war TMSR definitely has upperhand here
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wrote about that in his Qntra piece.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
kakobrekla: how are the bb payouts going btw ?
mircea_popescu: bout 60% done by now.
mircea_popescu: expect to finish today.
kakobrekla: great, good to hear angry emails will end soon
mircea_popescu: sorry bout that.
kakobrekla: shit happens
mircea_popescu: how many did you get ?
kakobrekla: a few every day
kakobrekla: the funniest was "pls hurry im traveling and out of cash"
kakobrekla: great planning there.
mircea_popescu: bejoysus
mircea_popescu: what if you know, the bet went the other way.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people arguing absurdities on bet resolutions like it happens now and again are actually you know, stranded in an airport somewhere and got nothing better to do until the battery runs out.
kakobrekla: its a percentage.
mircea_popescu: oh check that out, queergender consensus is slowly coallescing that apple fails in 2016.
assbot: The Digital Group ... ( )
copypaste: i understand. thank you guys. i can't believe so called coredevs are supporting something which has such obvious problem as defecting miners dumping all transactions that follow the new rules. wtf.
copypaste: and then collecting all the fees. lol
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 15:43:30; mircea_popescu: oh check that out, queergender consensus is slowly coallescing that apple fails in 2016.
copypaste: so people going along with soft forks are literally just throwing their coins into a blackhole which will be opened whenever miners defect, which is a gaurantee as more muppets follow along with the softfork the potential gain from defecting rises
copypaste: how can the "core" devs not see the obvious flaw in this stupidplan?
mircea_popescu: they are doing exactly the same thing they do with their every waking move : banking on the ultimately doomed proposition that "this ledge will hold".
mircea_popescu: what do they do when they pay taxes ? put money in 401k ?
mircea_popescu: same thing. it's what it is. it's what they get.
mircea_popescu: whence would come such a sudden and complete change for the masses ? there is no such thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for srs. ask around!
asciilifeform: ask who? the trees? the grass ?
copypaste: but are the core developers really the "masses"?
copypaste: there aren't many of them, and they're supposed to be intelligent
mircea_popescu: intelligence has little to do with it, as it happens.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00049702 = 3.7277 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in fact... "there aren't many of them, and they're supposed to be intelligent" is not unlike saying "this cow doesn't belong in the pen, it gives a lot of milk which is rare". whether it goes in the pen or puts the would-be farmer in the pen strictly depends on how willing to the cow finds itself.
assbot: 8 results for 'shoot cop' - #bitcoin-assets search
copypaste: i see. it's all about mindset, and their mindset is all wrong.
mircea_popescu: in other words, intelligence is no bar against stupidity. they may be as intelligent as you wish, but certainly dumb as rocks. and so...
mircea_popescu: << amusingly enough, asciilifeform has been saying (in general terms) that this is the inexorable future for the river of meat since 4eva.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 15:49:35; copypaste: so people going along with soft forks are literally just throwing their coins into a blackhole which will be opened whenever miners defect, which is a gaurantee as more muppets follow along with the softfork the potential gain from defecting rises
copypaste: the funny thing is, to hear them describe it (luke jr, wuille, antonopolous, and so on) "segwit" (cute name) has no problems whatsoever and softforks are perfectly safe so everyone should start throwing their coins into segwit transactions so as to make the overall "capacity" of the network go up
copypaste: i haven't seen one mention of the miner defection problem anywhere but b-a
copypaste: even though it's such an obvious flaw ...
mircea_popescu: and then they get hits called on their stupid heads and "nobody" understands why.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you were around for / recall this, but after i singlehandedly nixed the original "block expansion" almost a year ago to the day, they spent A FUCKING YEAR
mircea_popescu: pretending that a) didn't happen and then latter that b) if it happened it didn't matter and then even later that c) they did it anyway by themselves!!1
mircea_popescu: much to the amusement of everyone in the know.
copypaste: lol, which caused the xtcoin scam
copypaste: so that's why at first they were all in support of raising the blocksize, but then they all turned against gavin
copypaste: MP strikes again
mircea_popescu: there is something fundamentally wrong with people, intelligent or otherwise, who can't simply come out and say "mp said no, so it can't be done". just like there's something fundamentally wrong with people who can't simply come out and say "i tried pissing upwind and staying dry - it doesn't work".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8316 @ 0.00049769 = 4.1388 BTC [+]
funkenstein_: good morning coin collectors
asciilifeform: achtung panzerz! brief scheduled outage on zoolag, starting now.
mircea_popescu: hola mr dwarf. how goes ?
funkenstein_: good good, thank you :)
funkenstein_: ascii is right I sympathize with saifedean and recommend a video "the business of being born"
funkenstein_: but I imagine I should hold off on exposing you to further of my dietary nuttery
mircea_popescu: i dun think the part about how limiting excessive medical procedurizing is the core of sane medicine was at all controversial.
mircea_popescu: heck, it's actually one of the oldest ideas in western thought.
funkenstein_: mircea_popsescu, your comment about Cauchy-Schwarz has led me on some wild goose chases
mircea_popescu: it's a basic tool for resolving certain problems in analysis.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00049769 = 5.9723 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i dunno why the muricans don't recognize b's merits. he did the integral expansion which is the actual reason it's even useful.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and add a ((Mark to be pronounced "Carl" not "four")) on that IV << fixed
mircea_popescu: haha cool!
assbot: Upcycling ... ( )
mircea_popescu: ajhahaha excellent.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29573 @ 0.00048742 = 14.4145 BTC [-] {9}
mircea_popescu: from earlier link : "System Details
mircea_popescu: This was the "Cadillac of computers". In 1975, when this system was introduced, Altair system owners were flipping switches for hours just to watch lights blink on the front panel of their systems. Digital Group system owners were throwing a power switch and loading an operating system in less than 20 seconds. The cassette interface, standard with DG systems, loaded programs at 1100 baud. At the time, this was nearly f
mircea_popescu: our times the speed possible with any other manufacturers tape systems, and ten times faster than paper tape -- the only method available at the time for loading Micro Soft BASIC onto the Altair system. Of course, to even do that on an Altair, you had to buy a paper tape reader and an interface. Usually an ASR-33 Teletype and an SIO card. ($$$) By contrast, Digital Group systems included a video and cassette interface
mircea_popescu: and a keyboard as standard equipment with all of their systems."
mircea_popescu: that lisp company isn't the only thing to have sunk irrespective of immense tech advantages in the history of computing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty much whole 'history of computing' is a story of ascendant charlatans peddling garbage while burying actual thinking folk selling to thinking folk
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wrote about that in his Qntra piece. << this one It's cruel to point people to "BingoBoingo's Qntra Piece" without specifying which one, and as time goes on it will only become more cruel.
assbot: The False Dilemma of XT Versus Blockstream | Qntra ... ( )
asciilifeform: but as in mircea_popescu's essay re: 'can't separate industry from maggotry', the era ~prior to that~ looked like univac and there was a market for mebbe 50 of them.
asciilifeform: globally.
mircea_popescu: " As the tape was read, the screen would fill with the HEX or OCTAL page high address of the byte being loaded, testing the memory content for correctly loaded data as each byte was saved."
mircea_popescu: clearly very poor ux.
mircea_popescu: (where "ux" means "making the user feel smart")
mircea_popescu: "Digital Group also offered a very wide range of hardware accessories. If it was available to computer users at the time, it was available to DG system owners, and usually first. A users group of the time reported (and I confirmed in conversation with Dr. Suding) that within two weeks of the release of the Zilog Z80 chip samples, Dr. Suding had finalized the design for the Digital Group Z80 processor card, and had work
mircea_popescu: ing systems on display at computer shows. Besting the closest competitor by weeks if not months. Contrast that with the common practice of the day, of running ads for a concept product, then using the money from the customer orders to develop the advertised hardware."
mircea_popescu: and of course, alf's favourite part, "Popular until the very end, Digital Group failed in August of 1979 due to management and parts supplier troubles, not a lack of customer interest or product orders. Co-founder Dr. Robert Suding recalled that at the time of the bankruptcy, DG had thousands of product information requests and orders waiting to be filled."
asciilifeform: entirely typical.
asciilifeform: we don't actually know, afaik, how to make computers without maggotry.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i credit the "bad management" part a lot.
mircea_popescu: it is bad management not to do a large number of various things that appear counter-intuitive to "intelligent" people. especially to the "civilised" metastasis thereof.
mircea_popescu: !s stalin's kittens
assbot: 0 results for 'stalin's kittens' :
asciilifeform: 'when i am gone, they will strangle the lot of you like kittens'
mircea_popescu: "blind as newborn kittens"
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 31 March 2016 -
assbot: You Can’t Trust What You Read About Nutrition | FiveThirtyEight ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "So we’re left with our original question: What is a healthy diet? We know the basics — we need sufficient calories and protein to keep our bodies alive. We need nutrients like vitamin C and iron. Beyond that, we may be overthinking it"
pete_dushenski: "The takeaway, Archer said, is that our bodies are adaptable and pretty good at telling us what we need, if we can learn to listen."
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 06:11:34; mircea_popescu: similarly it'll adapt to anything within reason, and as far as it can help it, beyond any reason. it's only job is to keep you going and it takes it more seriously than you'll ever take anything as long as you live.
mircea_popescu: heh check it out, consensus!
pete_dushenski: with a fellow 'computationalist', no less
pete_dushenski: "Edward Archer, a computational physiologist at the University of Alabama’s Nutrition Obesity Research Center in Birmingham"
mircea_popescu: anyway, im in full agreement with the fellow on the "listen to body" angle. if one can shut up the stupid going on in his head long enough, absolutely amazing feats can be accomplished, such as knowing when to eat and what.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 12:29:15; copypaste: will the bitcoin foundation be accepting "segregated witness" into its client?
assbot: There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
copypaste: pete_dushenski: you never seem online at an opportune time for me to tell you this. i think that you should develop your own style instead of copying MP's for contravex. contravex is a cheap knockoff at best to trilema. no one can surmount the original, i wouldn't dare even try writing in MP\s signature style.
copypaste: just some food for thought :)
pete_dushenski: lol there's always ;;later tell
pete_dushenski: anyways, i'll copy (and paste) whom i please kthx
copypaste: oh right, i forgot that command. i don't chat here often
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00048412 = 2.227 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: barbie i too can be a computer ideas woman!!1
pete_dushenski: is that comic supposed to be... real ?
pete_dushenski hopes it's satire
assbot: Barbie: I Can Be a Computer Engineer Parodies | Know Your Meme ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "Someone is betting $40,026 on the life of a 73-year-old lottery winner in Michigan. That amount was the highest bid Thursday in an online auction for a lottery prize that pays $1,000 a month, before taxes. But here's the hitch: The money is paid only as long as Donald Magett stays alive."
pete_dushenski: ^that winner'd better hope he's not drinking the tap water
asciilifeform: achtung panzers: zoolag is back online.
pete_dushenski: watch donald be dropped off weekly cases of bottled water.
pete_dushenski: !s michigan water
assbot: 0 results for 'michigan water' :
pete_dushenski: it was flint that had the lead poisoning wasn't it ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00048373 = 6.5275 BTC [-] {2}
funkenstein_: <-- not blanket endorsement but worth the read re: nutrition
assbot: Dead Doctors Don't Lie by Dr. Joel Wallach ... ( )
funkenstein_: "You can prevent, totally prevent, cardio myopathy for ten cents a day. And if we don't do it, we are malignant dumb, I like to call it. Malignant dumb if you don't take in ten cents a day of Selenium. It's a waste of your life. It's one of those landmines that you can avoid.
funkenstein_: "The medical treatment of choice for cardio myopathy is a heart transplant, costs $750,000. I want you to think about that. They get the heart free from a donor, they get the blood free for the surgery from the relatives. They use $2.50 of suture material, and they charge you $750,000 for that procedure. Now 6 months ago in LA when they had the earthquake, they were putting people in jail for 60 and 90 days for price-gouging, for se
funkenstein_: lling these terrified people a gallon of water for $4.00. They put them in jail for price-gouging, for selling them a gallon of water for four bucks.
shinohai: <<< Laughably, the BarbieOS webpage redirects now - listed for sale
shinohai: Guess I'll have to compile trb on tinkerbell linux now
mircea_popescu: eh that's rank nonsense. "they" have to spend twenty fucking years training to be doing this, and "they" aren't joe blow from the gun fair.
pete_dushenski: waterboy is more than welcome to open his own heart transplant clinic, undercut the competition. go. do.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: where, in antarctica ?
asciilifeform: operating penguins ?
pete_dushenski: doesn't matter where
asciilifeform: does matter, because jail.
pete_dushenski: omg do it in your basement. make it a seekrit.
mircea_popescu: you're not about to tell me that you want random derp to be competing for heart transplant customers on the basis of marketing
mircea_popescu: do you ?!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the point is the skills, not the location
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and after the first corpse ?
mircea_popescu: no bro he got mad skills from watching the nature channel. just like all the other tardstalk ceobusinessmen
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: then other idiots learn that 750k isn't such a bad deal ?
asciilifeform: learn how ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00048936 = 4.5021 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: at the hanging ?
pete_dushenski: second patient knew the first
pete_dushenski: fatties with bad hearts are all bffs
mircea_popescu: getting back to sanity, selenium is an essential micronutrient and not that hard to get. eat moar beats.
pete_dushenski: copypaste: furthermore, how'd you know that i wasn't an acultured asshole before reading trilema ? not that i deny the influence, but that's not entirely the point. the point is... how'd you know ? maybe being "mean" (or however you'd describe mp's style) is a cause of hanging around b-a, and not an effect, y'know ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: beets too
pete_dushenski: beats are by dre
pete_dushenski: or maybe 'eating beats' is what dre calls it when his 'cheeks get pounded' or what was it
assbot: Logged on 03-01-2016 15:23:46; mircea_popescu: thought you were smart. You still dumb. If I want to pound some butt, I could do a woman. I’m a bisexual because I like to get my cheekbones blown out. I like to get pounded in the butt.’”
pete_dushenski: 'cheekbones blown out'... now there's a visual.
pete_dushenski: s/acultured/cultured. hm. dunno why that first one sounded right. it's definitely wrong.
pete_dushenski: how ironic
mircea_popescu: you can have acultural or uncultured.
pete_dushenski: and these'd be different or the same ?
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 15:43:30; mircea_popescu: oh check that out, queergender consensus is slowly coallescing that apple fails in 2016.
pete_dushenski: make that 5. steve died in 2011.
pete_dushenski: "but jobs planned out the next 5 years of products so the company is still in good hands even though he's dead"
pete_dushenski: ya, well, time's up, kiddies
asciilifeform: monopolies don't 'fail' in the way a corner restaurant might.
pete_dushenski: apple will fail like government motors failed
asciilifeform: there were other car makers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6157 @ 0.00048628 = 2.994 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: there are other ph0ne makers
asciilifeform: there are no other non-microshit pc makers or non-turdroid pnohe makers.
mircea_popescu: apple is a monopoly in the sense is a monopoly. you... never heard of it.
asciilifeform: it is a motherfucking monopoly.
mircea_popescu: samsung makes cheaper, better tablets.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 21:57:20; pete_dushenski: girl who leases $500/mo suv couldn't imagine justifying $800 iph0ne, so... bought $300 chinese thing
asciilifeform: turdroid.
mircea_popescu: nobody asked you, tho.
mircea_popescu: the whole thing is turdoid.
asciilifeform: has mircea_popescu actually used a turdroid ?
mircea_popescu: i have no love for portables.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: what pc's do you imagine anyone under 60 is buying at this point ?
asciilifeform: !s suspend mode
assbot: 10 results for 'suspend mode' :
mircea_popescu: i thought we were discussing the fucking ipad.
pete_dushenski: gray-haired men, yes, buy new crapple. that's it. walk into 'apple store' and look who is at 'genius bar'
mircea_popescu: you were talking about some obscure desktop thing apple perhaps still makes ?!
pete_dushenski referring to imac
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i work at megacorp that is more or less 100% mb pro
asciilifeform: and not the only such
asciilifeform: 'mac' is, quite monopolistically, the only USABLE-for-development portable unix box presently sold, and the ios boxen - the only non-infested-five-minutes-after-uncrating pocket computers presently sold.
asciilifeform: and yes, jobs is dead, and the hardware is going to shit, i recently spent 4 hours trying to make a deterministic model of what the 'spaces' window manager does with 3 displays active, to no avail
asciilifeform: and the machine is 2 weeks old and already making peculiar grinding noises
asciilifeform: but this does not change the fact of monopoly.
assbot: Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake ... ( )
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a flying fuck about making desktops when discussing the apple failure.
mircea_popescu: if it sheds 99.4% oif its market cap and preserves the tiny thing you're interested in,
mircea_popescu: you'll say "nothing happened, as predicted, because monopoly"
mircea_popescu: and the world will say "omfg apple is finished. what a crater."
asciilifeform: actually it would be a very interesting thing if it finally died. somebody might start making actual commercial unix boxes again.
trinque: worth noting here that Google is rumbling about moving into PCs
asciilifeform: ones that work.
asciilifeform: 'nothing grows till the oak hits the ground' or what was it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, after cardano ships.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly i have not yet discovered how to make pentium in my kitchen.
mircea_popescu: well... im gonna tell the investors you're working on it nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: and it'll be based on triforce numbers or something.
mircea_popescu: trinque their bid to take over internet infrastructure altogether is apparently a little stalled.
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Too much selenium is bad though, makes a person stink. Even thiols can't apporach the stink of selenium compounds
trinque: mircea_popescu: on the hosting side bezos has eaten a lot of it, and as far as what the average derp is staring at when she thinks she's on the internet, facebook
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BingoBoingo: <trinque> mircea_popescu: on the hosting side bezos has eaten a lot of it, and as far as what the average derp is staring at when she thinks she's on the internet, facebook << For on this try to find the web presence of any 'Murican Militia organization
pete_dushenski: << "“There is a new generation of women raised in an equal society who don’t feel threatened by men. For them, taking their husband’s name doesn’t mean living under their husband’s shadow.” Clearly, the dominance of cultural paternalism was replaced by government paternalism in this scheme, and no one has been left b
assbot: Tom Kott: Quebec’s ‘married name’ law is paternalistic and dumb | National Post ... ( )
pete_dushenski: etter off — then, or now."
BingoBoingo: Excluding Oathkeepers and other known USG moles
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in a very meaningful sense, these organizations DO NOT EXIST except in meatspace. because they have no pgp.
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit
asciilifeform: you can't, for instance, 'email isis'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: OH, some of them have EXTENSIVE facebook presences
asciilifeform: you can only email the usg dept of prison
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: usg front-end
BingoBoingo: But yes, to contact them gotta go through USG dept of prisons
asciilifeform: mno, that only contacts your local preet
asciilifeform: (who may choose to pass on your bits to another idiot if it suits his purposes, sure)
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, but they were going to bitchslap cox cable & co on the providing side.
BingoBoingo: Via that harvard jew
mircea_popescu: truth be told the connectivity situation of the us is really on par with its stature in the world : african.
trinque: mircea_popescu: that's right, "google fiber"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mno, africa has ok connectivity via gsm
pete_dushenski: usa : sub-sub-saharan african internet
pete_dushenski: about antarctica if my geography is correct
mircea_popescu: well, just like africa, so is the us a big... "country".
mircea_popescu: some places got better connectivity than others, but overall...
asciilifeform: outside of major conurbations, usa has approximately same quality of connectivity as... ships at sea
asciilifeform: this is one of the things severely limiting the appeal, from my pov, of 'cheap middle-of-nowhere' locales there
asciilifeform: i've an old chum who moved to wv. he is ever scheming to build a radio tower.
asciilifeform: 'but the house cost 1/5th!11111'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this is one of the things severely limiting the appeal, from my pov, of 'cheap middle-of-nowhere' locales there << Yeah, gotta be near a cable path and all of a sudden house no longer 1/5 but 1/4 or even 1/3
asciilifeform: 'cable path' ~= 25k usd project
asciilifeform: not to mention that if it is a cable tv sort of cable, you are stuck with some of the most abominable isp monopolists in all of usaschwitz
asciilifeform: (e.g., 'comcast')
BingoBoingo: Oh, no I mean the transit cables, but even then no guarentee people will care to tap them >> campus runs on poin to point wireless even though near I-57 and massive cables going from Chicago to US South, because no one has will to tap cables
assbot: Rend Lake College - Ina, IL - Home ... ( )
BingoBoingo: But if near transit cables with existing tap, internet not too bad
BingoBoingo: Nowhere's ville near cable taps is where you find decent muni fiber in USia
BingoBoingo: What you really want for Best USA Internet (TM/R) is suburb 8.5-25 kilowarmbodies 10-30 miles from regional population hub and not too far from inerstate highway path
mircea_popescu: pretty much where i lived back when i did.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: do you happen to have the link to that classic russian 'chukka' comic handy ? i can't find it in the logs
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BingoBoingo: What you want is a core of people who aren't poor relative to the rest of their USistan region. Once they make the muni-fiber jump the first few years are rough until they get addicted to uptime and buying more cables headed in different directions out of town.
pete_dushenski: friends had a kid (half indian, half lithuanian) who looks 100% 'chukka'
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.84, vol: 4237.85142901 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.755, vol: 4583.31028 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.38, vol: 13610.32079304 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 434.8, vol: 3.07404244 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 445.392212, vol: 46690.77580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.27368, vol: 36.97002807 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 446.55969, vol: 33.19697639 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 445.567823496
funkenstein_: <mircea_popescu> apple is a monopoly in the sense is a monopoly. you... never heard of it. <-- i was surprised to learn recently tencent was a major player in handling the exchange to fiat-bank segment for e.g. btcchina
funkenstein_: though now apparently they go direct without third parties
assbot: Things I Won’t Work With: Selenophenol | In the Pipeline ... ( )
funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, for this dwarf the bottleneck is never bandwidth or screenspace. Always my own fucking head.
BingoBoingo: That's how it tends to work
BingoBoingo very disappoint there are no cool alternate lines being offered anywhere he can find on the Bama-Clemson game tomorrow. Wants to take Bama -13.5 or -20.5
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mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ aha.
BingoBoingo: May we never forget the bravest Chemistry paper in history
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell PeterL What kind of budget would you need to produce a paper on the sulfur chemistry of FOOF in the name of making the TMSR a contributor to cutting edge science?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Seems like low hanging fruit for TMSR to legitimately contribute to the advancement of the physical sciences
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2015 02:09:29; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: chukcha: canonical: << scroll to pics
asciilifeform: and it's - chukcha
asciilifeform: чукча.
ben_vulpes: heh FOOF
ben_vulpes: that one made an appearance in 'Ignition!' iirc
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. cheers.
pete_dushenski: << the chuckcha comics i was thinking of.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If we are to etch our own silicon we gotta consider all sorts of weird
pete_dushenski: *chukcha
BingoBoingo: look who went complete retard
assbot: Cryptography Guru Announces Anonymous Communications Network Called PrivaTegrity ... ( )
BingoBoingo: "In an interview with Wired, Mr. Chaum revealed that, to prevent cybercrime and other nefarious groups from using their network, the researchers behind this initiative are planning to create a PrivaTegrity Council."
BingoBoingo: "This council will provide access to data about users to law enforcement, but only for those who use the network for criminal activities. This council will have nine members from across the world, and all have to agree to release information about users to any government inquiring for data."
pete_dushenski: never go full retard
BingoBoingo: Just a man, pretending to be a man, pretending to be another man.
mircea_popescu: ahahah what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo word.
pete_dushenski: " and all have to agree to release information about users to any government inquiring for data." << 9/9 multi-sig !
pete_dushenski: one loses key, rest can go home
pete_dushenski: "In short, right now the bitcoin infrastructure is insufficient to support the unbanked. This must and will change. Before we begin, a bit of disclosure: I’ve been researching this for my on project, Freemit, and I’ve been talking talking to startups in this space." << so much talking
assbot: Why Bitcoin Can’t Help The Poorest – Yet | TechCrunch ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "The bitcoin infrastructure is excellent, secure, and powerful in the abstract. In practice it is useless… but not for long." << try death warrants with paypal.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i've been thinking a lot about proteins lately
ben_vulpes: silicon is a dead end
mircea_popescu: "since 100% of all bitcoin businesses are in b-a and b-a doesn't like it, you know what ? it is useless!11 nothing ever happened!111 blablabl~!111"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and proteins are a long end.
pete_dushenski: << author of the above. ftr.
assbot: John Biggs (@johnbiggs) | Twitter ... ( )
ben_vulpes: long end?
ben_vulpes is operating under a severe cognition deficit today. weird bugs in the blood.
mircea_popescu: it'll take you forever to find out it doesn't work, sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: "Writer and Maker. Editor for TechCrunch." heh. ever novel ways to say "nobody doing nothing, ignore me please"
BingoBoingo: Not to mention shaping proteins is hard bsns
ben_vulpes: "monte-carlo 'engineering'"
pete_dushenski: i thought the whole 'maker' thing woulda died when 3d printing didn't put home depot out of business in 12 months flat. guess not eh
pete_dushenski: in other 'how would you know' nyooz, ""Everyone in our pool is making money, because people who aren't making money would not have their machines turned on," BTCC's Lee said."
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pete_dushenski: probably the same logic bobby lee used to arrive at the 'must have 2mb blocks' conclusion
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 19:45:08; BingoBoingo: "In an interview with Wired, Mr. Chaum revealed that, to prevent cybercrime and other nefarious groups from using their network, the researchers behind this initiative are planning to create a PrivaTegrity Council."
asciilifeform: what do you suppose they did to him ?
BingoBoingo: No idea
asciilifeform: chaum et al are the flip side of the 'everybody has a day job' crap
asciilifeform: likely, man had a choice between eating and not-quisling
asciilifeform: picked eating.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu will probably tell us that he oughta have shot a cop somewhere.
ben_vulpes: stack up
asciilifeform: as if a dead chaum is much good for anything.
asciilifeform: how much good from the dead murdock ?
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pete_dushenski for a run
BingoBoingo: Did this Kristov Atlas fellow ever have a presence in either WoT, this is the stupid sort of twitter rambling that demands an ideological negrate
assbot: Kristov Atlas on Twitter: "@bboingo @bboingo @pierre_rochard @rogerkver right, but a firefighter's job presently is to take on physical risk." ... ( )
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danielpbarron: he knows about it; that guy has me blocked even
BingoBoingo: Seriously Obeasts are only a hazard to themselves? Does he even consider the pathogens people who can't clean their ass spread everyday as they go about sitting and leaning on public spaces.
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ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm going to vom
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: More than any dietary change, avoiding morbid Obeasts will materially improve your health. Give it a try for 30 day, see the improvement in your life.
ben_vulpes: your reports are from a different universe from that which i inhabit
ben_vulpes: no obeasts on 1400 vertical foot hikes
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes already build his wizard tower?
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ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: some day i will roost in the vista house:
assbot: Friends of Vista House ... ( )
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BingoBoingo right now just wondering on the holy grail of sealed FeNi batteries which would make wizard tower pissibru
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punkman: asciilifeform: << RIP chaum << I don't think this was out of character at all
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 19:45:08; BingoBoingo: "In an interview with Wired, Mr. Chaum revealed that, to prevent cybercrime and other nefarious groups from using their network, the researchers behind this initiative are planning to create a PrivaTegrity Council."
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assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 22:26:54; punkman: asciilifeform: << RIP chaum << I don't think this was out of character at all
asciilifeform: soooooo turns out prb doesn't like relaying high-S sigs.
asciilifeform: as of whenever.
asciilifeform: this, i strongly suspect, resolves the mega-mystery.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, other panzerz ^^
assbot: 6 results for 'prb' :
asciilifeform: 'powe ranger' bitcoin
thestringpuller: yea prb won't relay high-S due to bip-62
thestringpuller: Basically all "new" PRB-nodes will refuse to relay high-S tx's to the network. Miners will still mine them though. But interesting that a high-s transaction has high probability to get fellated and malleated by network before being mined.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it shouldn't be the case that you're connected exclusively to prb nodes.
mircea_popescu: it should also not be the case that there isn't a trb path between you and miners.
mircea_popescu: the contrary situation is aptly known as "isolated"
asciilifeform: but it ~is~ the case
asciilifeform: that there is not a trb path between my nodez and the miners.
thestringpuller: if miner nodes are running prb, they'll isolate too
asciilifeform: that also
asciilifeform: and seems like we have a handy litmus.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "running prb" is not being a miner.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i was just saying if miners receive tx's to mine via PRB code then it'll isolate
thestringpuller: i dunno if this is case, cause not like miners publicize their nodes (or maybe they do, i'm still investigating)
mircea_popescu: it's complicated and multi-layered and so on because ddos.
mircea_popescu: the dns derps keep going on about how important and bla bla they are - but by comparison they're 13yo's at the beach, making sandcastles.
asciilifeform: incidentally a gossipd which conducts tcp pipes would at least threaten to begin to formalize the hierarchy.
asciilifeform: the one problem might be that mining selects for idiocy
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 20:07:18; asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu will probably tell us that he oughta have shot a cop somewhere.
mircea_popescu: << note that nature has more resources than you, has been trying it for longer than you'll be alive, and STILL hasn't produced organic intelligence.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 19:56:13; ben_vulpes: "monte-carlo 'engineering'"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey it was what my internal mircea_popescu-coprocessor said to me !
mircea_popescu: << am i the only guy left that doesn't know who the fuck this was ?
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 20:03:10; asciilifeform: << RIP chaum
asciilifeform: ;;google david chaum
gribble: David Chaum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; David Chaum: <>; How DigiCash Blew Everything - Cryptome: <>
mircea_popescu: wait, wait, actually ?!
mircea_popescu: hey check that out, zimmerman makes nsa-phone and david chaum makes nsa-gossipd.
mircea_popescu: i am rather flattered, honestly.
asciilifeform: inventor of blind signature, and of undoublespendable-decentralized money as a concept
mircea_popescu: i thought it was just random derp named chaum
assbot: Crypto Guru David Chaum's Private Communications Network Comes With a Backdoor - Slashdot ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << atlas is famous chiefly for his crazy. i dunno that anyone'd take the stuff seriously. think tardstalk's own vexual.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 20:15:26; BingoBoingo: Did this Kristov Atlas fellow ever have a presence in either WoT, this is the stupid sort of twitter rambling that demands an ideological negrate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the general lack of personal integrity in the angloworld is quite the sad spectacle, huh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elementary starvation.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i have no interest in designing molecular structures myself. i am mostly interested in simulating the interactions of easily-procured precursors in lots and lots of sims, varying lots and lots of variables in the sim, in order to crap out eg simple logic gates
ben_vulpes: this is how various novel antibacterials are 'designed'.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is pointedly NOT how
ben_vulpes: some! a tiny fraction.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, i get it, you want maximum skim for minimum upfront work.
mircea_popescu: this is not a novel strategy.
asciilifeform used to do just this, for a living, this is very much not a description of how.
asciilifeform: for fuckssake, there is not even a closed-form solution for ONE MOTHERFUCKING LITHIUM ATOM
mircea_popescu: yes but that because bad math more than anything else.
asciilifeform: mno, because n-body problem.
asciilifeform: provable absence of closed form.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu of all people oughta know this..
mircea_popescu: but not provable that a good heuristic intermediate between "closed form" and "fuck you" is absent for fundamental reasons.
asciilifeform: there are eh-maybe-somewhat-usable heuristics
assbot: Research overview ... ( )
asciilifeform: they soak up infinite cpu.
mircea_popescu: because bad math.
mircea_popescu: i don't need it to answer absolutely. i just need it to reduce by a factor of 10^20 rather than by a factor of maybe 10^3
mircea_popescu: that's all.
asciilifeform: in practice, the errors compound and magnify into near-useless soup.
asciilifeform: on state of the art $maxint simulator.
mircea_popescu: this was the exact description of a "bad math" situation htroughout the history of science.
mircea_popescu: in particular, it's why calorimetric theory was unverifiable. and so on.
mircea_popescu: so i'm taking an educated guess : it's because bad math.
asciilifeform: also because we don't have computers.
mircea_popescu: computer science is taught by the math dept.
asciilifeform: (simulating 10^20 INDEPENDENT elements on a von neumann box with maybe a dozen cpu is lunacy)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: has the best PC pr0n.
mircea_popescu: o look it's a nec.
mircea_popescu: << doubles as public-relations-bitcoin. you know, scam.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 23:04:06; asciilifeform: 'powe ranger' bitcoin
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: there is this comic called "The Boys" where superheroes are just a thing. Anyhow super heroes cause more trouble than what it's worth. To solve one problem the fuck up 100 other things, so "The Boys" are sent in to keep the peace. I've realized the power rangers do exactly that. Very public displays of "whatever fix", which ends up breaking 50 other things that have to eventually be fixed.
thestringpuller: It's unreal.
mircea_popescu: well that's the only fucking end result when illiterate people get involved in "fixing" shit they didn't read.
asciilifeform: the unfortunate thing is that merely ignoring prb has not worked. now there is ecological cleanup work to be done.
asciilifeform: wai wut
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: exactly. and they probably are saying to themselves secretly "oh tmsr will fix it"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: EXACTLY!
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mircea_popescu: !up ayn1k
adlai: ;;later tell copypaste fwiw, I'm fully in favor of segregated witness being implemented and available for those who see fit to use it. the main problem is one of education; users need to understand that there's bitcoin, and there's anyonecanspend-witcoin
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai somehow doubts this alt will see more usage than pushcoin
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mircea_popescu: the demand for bitcoin usage from poor people remains scant.
mircea_popescu: what they like it for - to save in, as per - is readily satisfied by trb as it is.
assbot: La Florida and other places on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: hahaha check thios dude out : "Some of you may be aware of a project called "therealbitcoin" and some of its development history. Over the last few days I forked the project, dropped in the woodcoin genesis block, genesis merkle root, the skein woodcutting algorithm, the logarithmic supply curve, the relevant difficulty adjust parameters, and the magic header code:"
assbot: fo-realz-woodcoin | Free your Frass ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "I stuck it on a github repo, which includes a tarball of the code with detached signature. You can also grab it as a vpatch with seal if you like. You might see some nodes reporting version 77777; that's what it will claim to be if you run it without modification."
adlai: mircea_popescu: this is because today, bitcoin is useless for poor people, and will remain so, without a reasonably reliable write-cache
mircea_popescu: not so. it is extremely useful : it allows them to save.
mircea_popescu: that is the only social function poor people actually need : a path out of poverty.
adlai: you must not have met any truly poor people, but that's to be expected i guess?
mircea_popescu: that bitcoin allows the poor a venue to actually accumulate capital is really all that matters, for the well being of the world generally.
adlai has friends who can't afford to save bitcoin, because they buy useless shit (incl drugs, and music, and fancy food, etc) instead of "paying themselves first"
mircea_popescu: adlai you're not belabouring under the misapprehension that i expect all to be saved, are you ? the point is not that. the point is for there to be a way for the scant few who don't belong there to save themselves.
thestringpuller: ^- this. so much this
mircea_popescu: the poor in all times and places belong on a conveyor belt towards a woodchipper. it is however very important to have a readily accessible door out of the tunnel, for any thinking folk who accidentally fell in.
adlai is belaboring under the apprehension that mircea_popescu may have never tried to personally convince somebody poor - incredibly so! - to hoard btc
mircea_popescu: i never convinced a woman to be my slave, either.
mircea_popescu: why would i ?
mircea_popescu: if it takes convincing her place's not here.
adlai: for their souls.
mircea_popescu: poor people have no souls.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this seems a deeply ignored point, all sorts of okcupid chicks honestly expect they'll be entertained just because well... they exist. ridoinculous.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: saw this on reddit and was surprised "Even 1000 euros feel too much to spent for a much needed new laptop instead of getting some BTC Am I mad?" to which someone replied "And this is why some economists fear Bitcoin -- as expenditures will become more sane. If that laptop made you much more productive, you would still choose to make that purchase rather than saving. But it seems you don't really need that new la
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> adlai you're not belabouring under the misapprehension that i expect all to be saved << sounds like The Bible.
adlai wonders when btc lords last tried to thread needles!
davout: this whole chan sounds like the bible
thestringpuller: your nick is davout !
mircea_popescu: this is a very valid point. through the presence of an actual save mechanism, insane expenditure becomes less tenable. this is actually not unrelated to the discussion re how "the world" aka western cragmire ends.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 01:21:47; mircea_popescu: if you can buy bitcoin on credit in the us and ARE NOT buying bitcoin on credit in the us, you are being raped by all the people who do.
davout: thestringpuller: like the general!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you're thinking "devout\"
adlai: seriously though, it's an edifying exercise to try and convince self-professed "btc people" that it's not worth their time to convince "non-self-professed btc people" (by my words, this time) to save via btc
adlai maintains that bitcoin can and should survive via increasing adoption among decreasing number of people
thestringpuller: adlai: as danielpbarron said you can't convince someone to be saved
adlai: anybody who can make useful use of btc - has heard of it already. today. 2016.,
davout: adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas"
adlai: the rest, as the new yorkers say, is theirstory.
danielpbarron: i went through that phase of telling everyone I see about bitcoin. It's pointless
adlai: thestringpuller: but therein lies the rub. everywhere you go, you'll meet the exception that proves this rule.
thestringpuller: adlai: but wouldn't this mean that person had it "within themselves" to be saved in the first place?
thestringpuller: if it wasn't you another missionary would have done the job.
mircea_popescu: adlai nobody's trying to convince anyone. i also don't go around watering holes in africa trying to convince the animals to drink./
danielpbarron: yes, God causes all things and there is no will outside of His
mircea_popescu: they'll drink in their own good time.
adlai: so? do i sit around lazy, waiting to instagram the next missionary's #btcConversionFail ?
mircea_popescu: <davout> adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas" << i maintain that my "give a little btc to eager young sluts" beats this "give a little more btc to people you know or are related to that don't want it" by a factor of infinity.
adlai: or try and help the poor idiots
davout: mircea_popescu: you're not giving it away
adlai is honestly troubled here :(
mircea_popescu: adlai if you can code, you can actually help the trb people. if you can't code, you can try an' help BingoBoingo, who's coinstantly asking. or else offend copypaste by rewriting trilema as best you can. or etc.
davout: in the sense "for nothing with the idea to infect others"
mircea_popescu: not like there isn't stuff to do.
mircea_popescu: davout really ? because why, i'm short tits and they have economic utility ?
danielpbarron: you can also help me in Eulora :D
mircea_popescu: i'm giving it away exactly like "free education" is given away.
danielpbarron: and i'm completely serious there's paying work in there c'mon already people get an account
mircea_popescu: yeah totally, you can run an eulora client, desperate need for more noobs there.
adlai: mircea_popescu: where's your vpatch? do i need to open a bbet which of us makes one first?
mircea_popescu: didn't i make the genesis ?!
adlai: your mom genesised, you just talked from there
adlai: quoting = talking
mircea_popescu: no dude, the v patch genesis.
mircea_popescu: it's signed by people including me!
adlai: danielpbarron: how much does it pay in btc?
davout: there's a difference between giving something to someone who wants it, and giving something to someone who doesn't
adlai has other btc-denominated offers, starting tomorr,w ish?
mircea_popescu: this sliding scale business. what to x oh nevermind.
mircea_popescu: people suck at market.
danielpbarron: i can pay like 3 million for a night's work (that means you leave it crafting overnight)
adlai: are there open-source bots which i can read like you pretend to read the bible, and rape like mircea_popescu pretends to rape his slaves?
thestringpuller: nice. Eulora labor camps begin!
adlai: it's not a camp if the campers don't Exist
mircea_popescu: i think i'ma just use adlai to denote lazy from now on.
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adlai: mircea_popescu: i'll allow it.
trinque: !s tlp rape
assbot: 2 results for 'tlp rape' :
danielpbarron: adlai, are you saying I don't read the Bible?
mircea_popescu: now break out of this queergender feminized state where you imagine anyone cares to seduce you and go do some work.
adlai: no, i'm saying that i don't really reed anything, i just type and rant and occasionally change parameters
adlai: !down adlai
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mircea_popescu: no. he's saying that he's not getting enough attention at home.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i thought that's a problem for children not adults.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.00049905 = 14.4475 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: well... it's a problem of people, it appears. you are born with a tank, and until it gets filled you're stuck working on filling it. normally it's full by about 12yo in males, but abnormally...
thestringpuller: what about for females?
mircea_popescu: it's not clear, but it may be the case that the mechanism is coopted in their sexual activity and becomes part of what drives child rearing. so they got a deliberate leak and it never fills.
mircea_popescu: in this sense the whole thing would be reminescent of how nipples work.
thestringpuller: is there a thread on "generational WoT", when we are all old and gray who takes up the helm?
mircea_popescu: you kidding me, these doods be multiplyin' like rabbits. i think there's more b-a kids than there's b-a adults.
mircea_popescu: davout has two, mike has two, pete has iirc also two ? kakobrekla has like 6 or 7 or some high amount like that...
mats: O_O
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes was working on more, iirc mod6 has two too...
ben_vulpes: servility and submission go hand in hand, and are very important attributes for performing wifedom and motherhood well.
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thestringpuller: i love it. cryptofeudalism.
mircea_popescu: for the first few years at any rate.
ben_vulpes: and what takes over after that?
mircea_popescu: you'll scream yourself hoarse setting limits. with any luck.
danielpbarron: regression to the mean
kakobrekla: wait what?
mircea_popescu: more dominant mother doesn't necessarily make worse mother (excepting for crazy outliers known in literature as schizogenic). it's true she has a tougher time for the first few years, but then once there's teenagers in the house... you'll love every cannon you got.
kakobrekla: #b-a are my kids
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00050207 = 1.7572 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "December 19 2014 : DBD parameters set by Shane Kinney" ahaha cool.
ben_vulpes: has anyone ever seen something along the lines of "Need an operator in 'STATIC' (makefile.unix:12)"
ben_vulpes: while compiling trb either on various linux or an openbsd?
asciilifeform: achtung, panzerz!!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
assbot: [BTC-dev] Malleus Mikehearnificarum. ... ( )
asciilifeform: ^ currently in live fire on zoolag and dulap
asciilifeform: as of 5 min. ago.
asciilifeform: i wanted to do this ages ago, mircea_popescu finally prodded me.
asciilifeform: already plenty of vermin crushed
trinque: neat
asciilifeform: aaaah this is beautiful
ben_vulpes: nm patched wrong thinger.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what didja think it were ?
asciilifeform: or is this re: earlier thread
ben_vulpes: my own thread.
ben_vulpes: rather nifty, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: remains to be seen
asciilifeform: traffic's gone through the floor.
ben_vulpes: i can't actually remember how 'misbehaving' works
asciilifeform: drops conn
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/net.cpp ... ( )
ben_vulpes: above a threshold? or for any value in that call?
asciilifeform: configurable, default==100
asciilifeform: read ze code.
ben_vulpes: cool, thank you.
ben_vulpes: yes, have reread.
ben_vulpes operating under severe cognitive load
asciilifeform: whatcha doing, ben_vulpes ?
ben_vulpes: does this happen to anyone else? get sick, brain more or less stops working?
asciilifeform: for mebbe past year.
ben_vulpes: i installed a /thirty-two/ bit operating system over the past weekend. on a 64-bit box.
trinque: d'oh
ben_vulpes: only figured this out when i went to compile trb and got assembly errors.
trinque: yeah, I'm useless when sick for sufficient value of $sick
ben_vulpes: i was hallucinating gdb-many-buffers-mode last night
ben_vulpes: not pleasant
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mircea_popescu: actually you should be able to run 32 bit on a 64 bit box, neh ?
mircea_popescu: or did you make the os 32 and trb 64 ?
asciilifeform: he said 'installed 32bit os'
ben_vulpes: nearly all of the tooling on the ml and scattered throughout the logs assumes 64-bit compilation environments.
mircea_popescu: guess so huh.
ben_vulpes: i definitely didn't find any that didn't.
asciilifeform: actually rotor doesn't give a damn what you build on, so long as it is specified
asciilifeform: ditto target
mircea_popescu: i recall hav ing a 32 bit trb made to work at some point, but not the specifics
asciilifeform: build on nintendo, deploy on cray
asciilifeform: or vice-versa.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf i'm still getting segfaults with your openbsd patch. care to look at bitcoind.core ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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thestringpuller: is linux no longer sane computing environment? when did this become an asylum >> same environment running on different machines has wildly different behavior
ben_vulpes: interestingly enough the output from stops at "warning: warning: sprintf() is often misused, please use snprintf()" but then never runs the subsequent 'strip bitcoind' line in
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there is such a thing as cpu arch. gotta build for the hardware you have.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wai wut?! where is there sprintf
ben_vulpes: is ben_vulpes perhaps using a stale tree?!
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i meant in building up process/configuration. behaving like two different robots completely, rather than robot with different body running same brain
ben_vulpes: i believe that this tree came from a v pressing.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where in the code
ben_vulpes: src/uint256.h:289
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option general search: sprintf ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 01:32:44; mircea_popescu: i recall hav ing a 32 bit trb made to work at some point, but not the specifics
ben_vulpes: i still don't see how that error would cause the script to not run strip bitcoind
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: doesn't happen here
asciilifeform: possibly your gcc flags differ ?
ben_vulpes: !up adlai
adlai still doesn't understand why we're encouraging hardware uniformity
asciilifeform: adlai: which 'we'
asciilifeform: i wrote 'rotor', which lets you build for nintendo if you like.
adlai: !s pogo
assbot: 880 results for 'pogo' :
adlai: we ^
asciilifeform: adlai: find me another comp with GB ethernet and SATA that can be bought for under $20.
asciilifeform: with power brick.
adlai: call it a nintendo! call it a crescendo! stop telling people what to run/buy
adlai: let them spend a little more. let them scam an ISP off a half-decent-shitware-router. idc.
adlai: let's not all run the same brick.
asciilifeform: adlai: actually nobody is running pogo today
adlai: ++
asciilifeform: at all.
asciilifeform: we never met the 128M target.
adlai just doesn't like monoculture, that's all.
thestringpuller: does pogo stay synched or does it lag behind?
asciilifeform: right now it's an x86 monoculture.
asciilifeform: which isn't any better.
adlai: oh we should strive to meet it, there's no reason not to. utxo-in-memory is retardation, nothing more to it.
asciilifeform: adlai: if you keep up with the ml - you will know that block index alone is >150M on warmup
asciilifeform: before a single tx lands in the pool
adlai: you don't need much of an index if you trust your own bloom filtration
asciilifeform: wai wut?!!
trinque: adlai just doesn't like monoculture, that's all. << it's not "monoculture"; it's mass production
trinque: propose a better way to get a large number of trb nodes in the wild
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/main.cpp ... ( )
adlai: it's not mass production if some nonwot-shitshop craps them out by the chinafull
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm just using, where would i look for misconfigured gcc flags?
adlai: asciilifeform: do you know what a bloom filter is? you can set it arbitrarily paranoid... ie, more paranoid than ripemd160, which you're forced to use, because.. satoshi!
asciilifeform: adlai: not only do we not use hearn's bloom filter, but an hour ago i have banned anyone showing symptoms of doing so from connecting to my nodes.
adlai will have to implement his own, so it runs on his 'pogo'
asciilifeform: adlai can run whatever he likes ?
adlai: exactly
adlai must only write it... !down etc
asciilifeform: << incidentally, i surveyed all known routers on the market. all have severe ram constraint (very few better than pogo, costliest have perhaps 512m) and no sata, ever
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 01:43:46; adlai: let them spend a little more. let them scam an ISP off a half-decent-shitware-router. idc.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what does "Illegal Instruction" mean?
thestringpuller: it is my only clue here...
assbot: Exceptions - OSDev Wiki ... ( )
adlai: fwiw utxo set size grows indefinitely, whatever the block size. someday it grows larger than the largest affordable RAM, even for mircea_popescus
asciilifeform: generally you will see this in trb if you built for $machine but you have $othermachine.
adlai always had a thing for premature optimisation
trinque: why would the utxo set always have to live in ram?
adlai: it doesn't!but for fast yet-spam-resistent block verification, you need fast utxo invalidhation
adlai: fast utxo invalidation is also achievable via wotification-of-everything
adlai: but do we really want to go full wottard?
asciilifeform: adlai: the latter is the only reasonable thing
adlai: but... do we really want to go full wottard?
asciilifeform: the 'general public' deserves ONE THING: to die in the sewers.
asciilifeform: if you want something - BE SOMEBODY.
adlai: meafar banu, leafar nakzor.
adlai: (this is more of an efficiency question than ethics... as i said - premature optimization)
asciilifeform: adlai: translation?
adlai: "any WoT can grow large enough to accomodate two people who wish to slit each others' throats"
adlai: oops, i meant - "from ashes we came, to dust we'll returnz"
asciilifeform: hashes to hashes, dust to dust
adlai: !b 7
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adlai: !down adlai
mircea_popescu: sciilifeform> << pogo is a 32-bit arm-v << yeah that's the why. but it ran on a desktop.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 01:32:44; mircea_popescu: i recall hav ing a 32 bit trb made to work at some point, but not the specifics
asciilifeform: i had a 32-bit build on (unreleased) 'rotolinux'
asciilifeform: (iso that booted to trb)
asciilifeform: it is trivial to make.
asciilifeform: (and of questionable use)
mircea_popescu: was training exercise.
mats: pogo is mega expensive now, just about one year following project inception
mircea_popescu: <adlai> fwiw utxo set size grows indefinitely, whatever the block size. someday it grows larger than the largest affordable RAM, even for mircea_popescus <<< this was discussed here a number of times, actually.
assbot: Pogoplug Office Secure Private Cloud Solution with 5 User Licenses (POGO-V4-A4-01): Computers & Accessories ... ( )
mircea_popescu: sooo... it pleases me to announce that private testing shows alf's patch not only removes 80% of bullshit "nodes" trying to connect, but it also improves network thoroughput by a factor of about 700
mats: asciilifeform: oh, didn't spot that in a search for 'pogoplug series 4'
mircea_popescu: i would strongly advise anyone using trb in production to at least test this patch.
asciilifeform just tested and got ~15 second tx propagation.
mats: asciilifeform: in fact, that doesn't look like a series 4
mats: (which iirc is the one with sata dock)
asciilifeform: mats: says 4
mircea_popescu: adlai> but do we really want to go full wottard? << stop with the "we", and yes we do.
asciilifeform: and the colour logo is not in the pic
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: trb compilation detects machine architecture when building right? so build on machine run on same machine. or do I have to configure some flag for the machine I'm compiling + running on?
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asciilifeform: thestringpuller: absolutely not
asciilifeform: does not detect anything
asciilifeform: you gotta set it up!!
mircea_popescu: mats> pogo is mega expensive now, just about one year following project inception << fortunately we have a bunch stashed.
mircea_popescu: how much does it cost ?
assbot: Qui's techNOLOGY Blog: Difference between Pogoplug Mobile and Pogoplug Series 4 ... ( )
asciilifeform: the pogos i bought for conf-3 were POGO-V4-A3-01
asciilifeform: the amazon link earlier is a POGO-V4-A4-01.
asciilifeform: the classical pogo (with sata) is now a full $10 more.
mircea_popescu: i guess we made some money on carried stock.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> yea prb won't relay high-S due to bip-62 << Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia
asciilifeform off to pet pet
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> this is how various novel antibacterials are 'designed'. << Designed by putting candidates in agar with potential targets and seeing if werx
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mircea_popescu: clearly bitbet lost a lot of confidence over the bitcoin-sucks debacle
mircea_popescu wonders if all these people were waiting on winnings to make more bets.
mats: degenerates
BingoBoingo: << I tried this February 2013 at around $20/Bitcoin with a few IRL contacts. Most gambled everything to nothing, the other one lost theirs to a pnoHe wallet.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 00:35:16; mircea_popescu: <davout> adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas" << i maintain that my "give a little btc to eager young sluts" beats this "give a little more btc to people you know or are related to that don't want it" by a factor of infinity.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 392749 | Current Difficulty: 1.0388034081545589E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 393119 | Next Difficulty In: 370 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> already plenty of vermin crushed << Sweet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00050631 = 10.7338 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: PLS STAHP THE PM'S until I catch up on lawgs
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia << makes me wonder if there are nodes out there that malleate/fellate txs from high-s to low-s and rebroadcast
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26119 @ 0.00049836 = 13.0167 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ currently in live fire on zoolag and dulap << Applied to my bastardized testbed
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hashes to hashes, dust to dust << Gotta keep the dust under control though. Fans and everything.
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu wonders if all these people were waiting on winnings to make more bets. << Likely
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7535 @ 0.00049781 = 3.751 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: It's even been pointed out here before. After the "mysterious" amaclin fellow malleated transactions to high-s the power rangers started operating some nodes that automalleated everything passing through to low-s
BingoBoingo: Even without that it is clear from the BitBet payout problem that people are running nodes that malleate to low-s
BingoBoingo: There's no need to wonder about things actually being seen on the network.
ben_vulpes: 'linker file input unused because linking not done' << anyone ever see this while compiling trb on open bsd?
ben_vulpes: using scripts from stator ml post.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: nice find >> I wonder how it will play out.
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BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Which GCC are you using?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: 4.2.1
BingoBoingo: Is that the right version?
ben_vulpes: i don't even know what the right version *would* be, beyond "not apple's"
BingoBoingo doesn't remember details of the setup he uses to compile bastard client, should prolly work on that after getting some newsing done
ben_vulpes: BaStarD client?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: The one where I apply alf patches to 0.7.2 after finding locations and they usually work
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BingoBoingo was drunk for most of the chopping so most details are lost to history
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik nobody's done a proper crapple (clang) build as of yet
asciilifeform: (and it is not clear why this'd be a useful thing)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that is not what i'm working on.
ben_vulpes: and didn't fluffypony?
asciilifeform: fwiw i have full bore civilized gcc toolchain on my salt mine mbp.
asciilifeform: with gdb, etc.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc he used actual gcc
ben_vulpes: anyways, this is all a bloody mystery to me. i've never seen a sh script crap out midway through and not run its remaining bits, but thats what stator seems to do over here.
asciilifeform: << remind me again why you have a sideshow thing and not trb
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 02:56:50; BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ currently in live fire on zoolag and dulap << Applied to my bastardized testbed
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what kind of box is 'over here' ?
ben_vulpes: old macbook pro running openbsd 5.8
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have a linux trb, but I keep sideshow because inertia and curiosity.
ben_vulpes: totally vanilla install from bsd.rb
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have an openbsd box here but it will not build trb, not enough ram (+swap even)
asciilifeform: so i cannot replicate.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does it build /boost/?
asciilifeform: it's a toshiba libretto 100ct.
asciilifeform: iirc when i did netbsd i built for linux and used the compat layer.
asciilifeform: this is prolly the reasonable thing to do.
asciilifeform: esp. now that it ACTUALLY WORKS because no more idiot glibc crud
ben_vulpes: trb compiled just dandily on the ubuntu i had on the box previously
ben_vulpes: machine in question has 4G of ram, should be 'all anyone ever needed'
asciilifeform: my experience with openbsd for daily life has not been very satisfying
asciilifeform: the build system is thoroughly infested with crud
asciilifeform: e.g., want x11 emacs ? say hello to dbus
asciilifeform: EVEN ON GENTOO i do not suffer this
asciilifeform: fuck it
asciilifeform: full depoetteringization with ONE MOTHERFUCKING CONFIG LINE or go home.
asciilifeform: i do not understand why openbsd is revered today
asciilifeform: the founder is willfully blind and surrounded by usg monkeys
asciilifeform: who 'speak for him' and insult mircea_popescu on his behalf
asciilifeform: and they have done their work on the miserable os, and it shows
ben_vulpes: if it continues to fail to compile trb i may embark on gentoo quest instead.
asciilifeform: and theo boils his belt and accordion while 'aggressive queergendered' eat caviar in 'hackathons'
trinque: there was an effort to shit portage onto openbsd
asciilifeform: trinque: there was also an effort to stitch monkey and dog together
trinque: stalled.
asciilifeform: in the middle ages.
trinque: hardly an apt comparison.
asciilifeform: very apt, in that neither came to anything or is ever likely to.
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
trinque: heh
asciilifeform: hm, does anybody even update bashlog any moar.
adlai recalls something about calls for moderation
trinque: davout was conscripted
ben_vulpes: << possibly the same psychological process that makes people proud of impenetrable shell scripts for munging text
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:35:14; asciilifeform: i do not understand why openbsd is revered today
kakobrekla: anyone else wanna be bash mod?
trinque: ben_vulpes: ahem. Makefile.
adlai: kakobrekla: what are the qualifications? L4? ability to verify deeds? these things have to be selective, to keep out idiots...
ben_vulpes: i'm curious to see if your makefile works on this (apprently) insane device, trinque.
trinque: I don't buy it
trinque: the *whole world* is made of shit
trinque: I'm quite liking the texture of this turd atm
ben_vulpes: don't you dare grow proud of tools that you made to wrap your hands around the shitworld's throat trinque. it's not a symbolics machine!
kakobrekla: adlai i dunno, not being an idiot goes a long way.
adlai: the problem, as our mopheaded joo 'discovered', is that even human stupidity is relative
adlai: ;;later tell mike_c candle charts lacking a couple weeks of recency
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: theres also absolute stupidity, no?
adlai: how do you measure it?
adlai: if it's absolute, you should be able to build a stupidometer
adlai: composed of nothing but lead and plutonium
adlai: maybe a smattering of !down syndrome, but that makes in non-absoloot
adlai: who runs btw? it's consistently returning empty html tables :(
adlai: ah there we go.
adlai swears he tried enough times to justify the spam... goodnight now, may tomorrow be soberer and less smeared with shit
kakobrekla: im not convinced absolutity is the absolute condition for measurability
asciilifeform: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
adlai: !s seen mike_c
assbot: 103 results for 'seen mike_c' :
asciilifeform: anybody have a finger on him in meatspace ?
adlai: dude vaporized from the face of the logs, although apparently still receives ;;later tells
kakobrekla: how would you know that?
adlai: action and reaction
mod6: asciilifeform: naw, i dont
ben_vulpes: speed at which he brought btcalpha back up?
ben_vulpes: one the man.
kakobrekla: this doesnt mean he actually read it.
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: re: operating systems, i am looking forward to gabriel_laddel's thing.
adlai: the fact that i mention foucault all the time doesn't mean anybody pays attention to me obsessively quoting it, either
trinque: ben_vulpes: that thing gets to be called a desktop environment at best
adlai: lol!
adlai: ben_vulpes: have you followed "cl os" thread much?
kakobrekla: most of the time when assbots drops down i get yelled at but i almost never actually do something about it to bring it back, yet here it is.
adlai: in the wider-than-ba sense of 'thread'
adlai: even loper died
adlai takes off hat << ami doin it rite?
adlai: !down adlai
asciilifeform: adlai: dies properly when i'm dead
asciilifeform: until then, we zombie along, throwing maggotrous pieces at people
ben_vulpes: trinque: sure.
trinque: I just huddle inside emacs talking to myself
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai not particularly.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: << y'know, reimplementing portage in cl (or whatever, fuck, in fortran if you want) instead of python doesn't magically unbreak the foss ecosystem
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:51:20; ben_vulpes: re: operating systems, i am looking forward to gabriel_laddel's thing.
ben_vulpes: emacs is a good example of tools with which to throttle complexity, aka intelligence augmentation
asciilifeform: that is quite certainly rotten to all hell
ben_vulpes: tangentially related, i ran across 'sorcerer' the other day. funny little corner of linux, that.
asciilifeform: was sorta like a micro-gentoo
ben_vulpes: lol "the popularity of a tool is proportionate to the amount of time it makes its users waste"
asciilifeform: but, iirc, didn't have USE flags and other niceties
assbot: Sorcerer Linux ... ( )
ben_vulpes: deathcomesforusall
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not quite: 'Ленин - жил, Ленин - жив, Ленин - будет жить!'
ben_vulpes: the odd unlucky derp attains immortality?
trinque: !up gabriel_laddel
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.82797180 BTC on 'No' - S&P 500 to close above 2000 on December 30th -
BingoBoingo: connection from dropped (banned) << Win
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00050409 = 4.562 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ERROR: BANNED peer issuing heathen command. << Bigger win. Debug.log is fun.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: "no, no dedicated sales people yet. why do you ask?" < Curiosity.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Spiffy keyboard.
trinque: asciilifeform: for my curiosity, if the tubes have mouths, could your patch be used by $enemy to alter the topology of the network in ways beneficial to it?
trinque: hitler doesn't want you to talk to nodes X Y Z, so he barfs up packets with a heathen commands.
asciilifeform: trinque: i did say this to mircea_popescu.
asciilifeform: trinque: plaintext node-node link is a doomed thing.
BingoBoingo: !up raedah
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