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mod6: which expired keys?
mod6: alf's? just grab his updated key and replace it in your .wot dir.
thestringpuller: + gpg --verify buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign
thestringpuller: gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 05:29:39 PM EDT using DSA key ID 59C36319
thestringpuller: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
thestringpuller: i have no idea what's causing that
thestringpuller: the only thing that's changed is the keys. i pulled my old .wot directory to new (more sane) macine
mod6: you need to import this public key to you keyring -- there is a comment that outlines the keys you need in the top of the script: 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319
mod6: once you've done that, you may wanna clean up and start the build over again.
mod6: just do this `gpg --recv-keys 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319`
thestringpuller: rebuilding
phf: thestringpuller: v and gpg --verify use different mechanisms for key management. pgp uses keyrings, v hides keyrings by using .wot folder to store pubkeys as asc files. so when a key expires, your best option really is to fetch a key somehow (???), import it into gpg's keyring so that --verify works AND save it into .wot
thestringpuller: just trying to see if i get same error as on roberto
thestringpuller: will the signed files/patches need to be resigned everytime keys expire?
mod6: phf the deal here is that the build script tries to verify the pgp sig of buildroot -- which is a process outside of v, so a key needs to be imported directly into the gpg keyring.
phf: thestringpuller: gpg doesn't require that. ascii can update expiration date on the key, republish it, and it'll continue working
phf: so expiration date on key is literally a guard, that has nothing to do with crypto. gpg checks timestamp and bails, but it doesn't need to
mod6: <+thestringpuller> will the signed files/patches need to be resigned everytime keys expire? << no. you'll notice that his fp is the same.
phf: !up ascii_rear
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 02:43:50; ben_vulpes: http://www.almy.us/xlisp.html << apropos of absolutely nothing
ascii_rear: xlisp manual in 3ring here!!
ascii_rear: brother's, from uni
ascii_rear: was ~the~ msdos almost-commonlisp for years
phf: could probably add a subset of foundation related operations to v, so that staging process uses consistent mechanism (to avoid issues like i have the key in .wot but can't seem to verify??)
ascii_rear: phf: hm?
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 02:44:33; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358569 << while the parallel of the more-than-semi-socialist government and the farmer is mostly very apt, a higher mortality rate doesn't have the same downside cost for the former as the latter. the best thing for the usg would be a plague, if only to bring the costs and complexities of managing so much meat into a more (if still ultimately un-)manage
phf: ascii_rear: ongoing thread about v using .wot for pubkeys, where's gpg --verify on foundation produced files relies on keyring
pete_dushenski: ascii_rear: more like 'lose weight! get non-lethally sick!'
ascii_rear: phf: keyring built by v for the occasion
ascii_rear: deterministically
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10452 @ 0.00051245 = 5.3561 BTC [-]
ascii_rear: (at least in my original)
phf: yeah, so the case with mod6's version, after a #b-a thread
mod6: there is confusion here.
mod6: buiroot is not v-ifiable. so in the rotor+TEST2 build script it was decided (in here) that we should check the hashes and the signatures.
mod6: *buildroot
mod6: so that is checked independently of V. what V does is a whole separate ball of wax.
mod6: anyway, this is all changing anyway.
phf: i understand all that, and i was explaining that there's no conceptual integrity to it, as it stands. we have a .wot folder which is supposed to be a manually curated folder of <nick>.asc files. there were a few threads where mp and ascii argued that the folder should not be generated automatically (no sks or pre packaged tar files). so if one wants to build a rotor they need a .wot folder with pubkeys of all the foundation
phf: contributors. an obvious next step is to have a gpg --verify buildroot.sig rely on the contents of .wot folder, by, for example, making a temp directory, doing a for pubkey in .wot/*.asc; do gpg --homedir $tmpdir --import $pubkey; done, then doing gpg --homedir $tmpdir --verify foo.sig; then rm -rf $tmpdir. this way a .wot folder is a canonical source of pubkeys always and for all operations
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 03:36:47; pete_dushenski: "A friend’s place in a small gated courtyard, walking distance to pretty much everything, two bedrooms, 750 square feet, Internet and electricity included, $280 a month." << it's ~exactly~ deals like this that make me scratch my head and wonder who the fuck pays $500-600 to post a professional job listing on 'monster.com' and 'workopolis.com'
assbot: Logged on 31-12-2015 15:26:10; asciilifeform: 'american is never given money, he is merely shown it and allowed to hold in his hands for a spell to be reminded that it exists'
ascii_rear: that house only costs 280/mo ~because you can't buy it~
ascii_rear: for most values of 'you'
ascii_rear: !s gradient
assbot: 22 results for 'gradient' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gradient
ascii_rear: if there were any danger of usaschwitz inmates escaping on masse to this, lizards would print enough bezzlars to bid'em up to washington price - like in b-a.
ascii_rear: *en masse
pete_dushenski: aha. "i told mama i'd be a millionaire someday!" says guy with "home equity" and "registered retirement account". so there he stays.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37640 @ 0.00051364 = 19.3334 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358739 << buildroot is not v-ified, so why do we have the dsa shitkey in there ??
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:01:18; thestringpuller: gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 05:29:39 PM EDT using DSA key ID 59C36319
mod6: its just the guys key.
phf: !up ascii_rear
mod6: !up assbot
mod6: f
phf: :D
ascii_rear: mod6: who?
phf: gpg: key 59C36319: public key "Peter Korsgaard <jacmet@uclibc.org>" imported
mod6: anyway, yeah, this is the build script that I created for testing the build of 'rotor', TEST2, and the static binary.
mod6: it's gonna be going away.
ascii_rear: thing we really need is deterministic binary
ascii_rear: but this is a mega-puzzler
ascii_rear: gotta decruft gcc.
ascii_rear: it has to be: same src?? ---> this here bin
ascii_rear: built wherever, on nintendo, on cray.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13860 @ 0.00050767 = 7.0363 BTC [-] {2}
phf: what i meant is something like this http://paste.lisp.org/display/304383. of course each execution of script creates a fresh gnupg keys folder, imports the wot, import from sks if we're going that way, does the operation, kills the gnupg folder
ascii_rear: fuck sks
ascii_rear: keys oughta be used consciously
ascii_rear: as in, with awareness of what all of the pgpdump fields are, yes
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "quests" are what the shitty AAA titles do to sub in for the fact that their games suck, they are poor and stupid, etc. << uh dafuq? guess someone never played DnD as a kid.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00050448 = 8.1221 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5441 @ 0.00050798 = 2.7639 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00051409 = 11.5156 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00051263 = 6.2797 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00051452 = 12.9659 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051453 = 3.6532 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00050877 = 14.3982 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00050717 = 14.4036 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00050462 = 16.1983 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24561 @ 0.00050456 = 12.3925 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00050795 = 2.108 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00051074 = 1.2002 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358457 << Can't trust a guy who gets high off of his own farts
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 01:14:53; lobito: this is enric duran, founder of faircoop, if anyone's interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enric_Duran
assbot: Linode Under DDoS Since Christmas - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7I7Wm )
assbot: Linode Status ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7I6BX )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00050334 = 16.2579 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00050474 = 1.4133 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15668 @ 0.00050334 = 7.8863 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00050271 = 15.4835 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8928 @ 0.00050123 = 4.475 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: The unhappy new years, or look at the difference a decade makes! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZFO44l )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00050123 = 11.3779 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46991 @ 0.00050555 = 23.7563 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00050326 = 9.1593 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00050109 = 7.9172 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.0005011 = 13.1539 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00050643 = 11.3947 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00050264 = 2.5383 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00050179 = 2.1326 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00050087 = 16.7541 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7596 @ 0.00050082 = 3.8042 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00050079 = 9.0643 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15665 @ 0.00049865 = 7.8114 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358697 << and to add insult to injury, all sorts of internet knownothings keep going on and on about buenos aires "night life". da fuck on a stick, akron, ohio with its concrete statue of a corn field has more of a night life.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 02:54:31; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358595 << that there's no berghain equivalent in buenos aires is spectacularly strange
BingoBoingo: !up Alopex
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-01-2016#1358361 << "skeptic"? I don't recall ever denying neither the existence of the exchange nor the fun and [potential] profit of judicious trades
assbot: Logged on 01-01-2016 23:09:07; pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/08/s-mpoe-traders-delight/ << hey adlai, you're not the only mpoe/mpex skeptic anymore. the validating power of teh crowd is yours at long last.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29745 @ 0.00049743 = 14.7961 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Well, that escalated from last year... - GIF on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1YVRkvm )
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 03:57:31; gabriel_laddel: In other idle wonderings, has anyone known a cat (the animal) with a cocaine habit?
mircea_popescu: !up okcupiddude
okcupiddude: Hi mircea
okcupiddude: Why are we on irc?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358733 << "expiring" keys are a bad fucking idea, for the record.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 04:57:20; thestringpuller: ugh all these expired keys is making it impossible to build rotor with the old script
mircea_popescu: okcupiddude you must have wanted to talk to me about something ?
okcupiddude: Yeah, i saw that you are a businessman, an so am i
mircea_popescu: o ? what business do you do ?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.05, vol: 3008.50145244 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 430.065, vol: 3035.16356 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.59, vol: 8964.48982204 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 426.0, vol: 2.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 436.224, vol: 31673.12700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 431.53, vol: 12.28704868 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 435.526099989, vol: 27.6955239 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 434.599574614
okcupiddude: We can get together in istanbul if you are in istanbul and talk abiut what potential businesses we can conduct togetger
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --currency rmb
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c baby the btcalpha is down what do we do! halp! plox!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: okcupiddude i am in buenos aires.
mircea_popescu: tho it's true that i tend to make istanbul the hub of all my travels. that city rocks.
kakobrekla: btcalpha is online from here
adlai is able to load btcalpha - charts, webs, the works
okcupiddude: Dude i am that city
mircea_popescu: o. my bad. fuck dns with a stick.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c thanks for fixing it so fast. AAA+ service would buy again.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
okcupiddude: Lets continye through email, shoot me an email you have it
okcupiddude: I am out
BingoBoingo: email sucks
mircea_popescu: i don't do private chats with people i don't know. you want to talk about something, this is the venue.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358754 << technically speaking, "expiration" is a cheap forking mechanism. it shouldn't be there, it's just a hook for future trouble.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:09:59; phf: so expiration date on key is literally a guard, that has nothing to do with crypto. gpg checks timestamp and bails, but it doesn't need to
mircea_popescu: if gpg were just released today we'd suspect the nsa impacted that stupid design
mircea_popescu: this also illustrates the much larger point of the fukctardation of out-of-band communication. it's stupid and dangerous. there should be absolutely no "alternative mechanism" for a key being in any way processed outside of the key itself. timestamp ? fuck that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00049873 = 8.2814 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the less said, the less possibility of misunderstanding, which is why the main quality of a contract is being brief. the fewer venues communication may occur in, the fewer indecidable problems you'll meet. this rly is not rocket science.
mircea_popescu: (contract elongation is a direct result of the channel trying to fight against noise in "out of band" communication. take that away, you're golden)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00050127 = 14.3864 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6418 @ 0.00050179 = 3.2205 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 14:01:10; okcupiddude: Why are we on irc?
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:43:50; ascii_rear: thing we really need is deterministic binary
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358806 << the problem is this may run into portability issues way the fuck before it runs into anything else.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:44:55; ascii_rear: it has to be: same src?? ---> this here bin
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 06:09:34; thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "quests" are what the shitty AAA titles do to sub in for the fact that their games suck, they are poor and stupid, etc. << uh dafuq? guess someone never played DnD as a kid.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358830 << fuck them, bunch of twerps. linode has no place in the world.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 09:04:08; assbot: Linode Under DDoS Since Christmas - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7I7Wm )
mircea_popescu: "For the short term, we will be using BGP communities to attempt to block Asia Pacific, the Middle East, South America, and others, hopefully leaving us only with traffic from North America and Western Europe. Blocking geographic regions this way is the only way to make sure that large botnets won't be able to launch further attacks.For the short term, we will be using BGP communities to attempt to block Asia Pacific,
mircea_popescu: the Middle East, South America, and others, hopefully leaving us only with traffic from North America and Western Europe. Blocking geographic regions this way is the only way to make sure that large botnets won't be able to launch further attacks."
mircea_popescu: oooo right.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud catfished
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=catfished | Having a fake facebook profile, images and avatar in order to lure people to have romantic feelings. They are then catfished when the victim realises the person ...
mircea_popescu: mmmmkay...
mircea_popescu: so basically, "traditional marriage" is now called "being catfished" ?
BingoBoingo: parts of it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29149 @ 0.00049767 = 14.5066 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9865 @ 0.00050178 = 4.9501 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: "The sandbox games has now become what the 3rd-person shooter was not too long ago, the default setting that tends to get rolled out for generic action games after the creative team have sat around a blank whiteboard all morning and started hankering for an early lunch."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76700 @ 0.00050294 = 38.5755 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: apparently i'm okcupid-famous now.
mod6: "get the fuck outta my mailbox or else!"
mod6: or else what?
shinohai: I very much enjoyed the recent Trilema article
shinohai likes trolling dommes as well.
BingoBoingo: How does okcupid famous compare to fetlife famous?
mircea_popescu: about 50lbs less average weight.
mircea_popescu: lemme tell you - after a decade of "the tallest, the slimest, the hottest chicks at the bdsm party are the ones you brought" it gets fucking old.
mircea_popescu: no idea how all these fucktards expect anyone to take them seriously. "oh, i'm a master, that's my slave"
mircea_popescu: really, bitch ? if she were your slave she wouldn't bmi over 40 ffs.
mircea_popescu: cage her and feed her lemon water till xmas.
mod6: real subs like the cage!
shinohai: This one caught my eye because she has recently discovered cryptocurrency it appears: https://twitter.com/casslechat
assbot: La Reine (@casslechat) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1OzUPMV )
mircea_popescu: so tell her to sell her tits.
shinohai: Has a smattering of btctalk posts as well, with feminist tones
BingoBoingo: feminist is just a code word for boys insecure about their penis
mod6: feminism: our specialty
mircea_popescu: more like ... boys secure about their penis (it dun work), ready to please in othar ways.
shinohai: I sent her a PM and told her she should come here and show her tits for 0.1. Obviously no reply.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00050377 = 7.6069 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: next time give out teh link.
shinohai: I linked to the trilema article
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : woman that would die to defend her clothes put among a dozen nude damsels will cast off every last stitch like it were radioactive)
mircea_popescu: a. then who knows.
shinohai: Probably too "dominant" to let guyz see her naked, i.e. an instadomme
mircea_popescu: eh, dommes domme topless anyway.
mircea_popescu: there's no good equivalent of boots for the chest.
mircea_popescu: could go full corset, but given the... rotund quality of most dommes it's too constrictive an' they faint. usually go for demis if at all.
BingoBoingo: "Romania is not a country most people would associate with Bitcoin or digital currency right away" >> https://archive.is/8oH79
assbot: Things Are Not Adding Up For BitcoinXRomania - The Merkle ... ( http://bit.ly/1YW3TXF )
mircea_popescu: lol. mkay.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10581 @ 0.00050377 = 5.3304 BTC [+]
shinohai: J.P. Buntinx, " one of the world's leading freelance Bitcoin writers"
kakobrekla: buttnix
BingoBoingo: He's written for just about all the crap outlets except coindesk
mircea_popescu: what's his expert sex change profile ?
BingoBoingo: I dunno that. Think he's visited here once
BingoBoingo: !s jpbuntix
assbot: 0 results for 'jpbuntix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jpbuntix
mircea_popescu: anyway. never heard of him, but whatevs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00050377 = 9.6472 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00049883 = 16.3616 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: <+kakobrekla> buttnix << lel
mod6: gentoo clone
BingoBoingo: Wait, I though buttnix was a closed IBM AnusIX distro
assbot: [ANN] Spells of Genesis - Innovating the Game Economy with BitCrystals (BCY) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXq5II )
punkman: I dunno how any of this makes sense
shinohai: Spells of Genesis - another Erik Voorhees production.
mod6: !up ascii_rear
mircea_popescu: punkman not enough crystals in your soda!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00050376 = 8.1105 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu is too lazy to read tardstalk
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358906 << how? recall that we already have cross-compilation
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 14:31:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358806 << the problem is this may run into portability issues way the fuck before it runs into anything else.
mircea_popescu: if i knew how i'd be an engineer
mircea_popescu: instead i'm stuck here sifting through folders with 19yosluts and urgent business proposals from dudes in quatar.
ascii_rear: just need to patch gcc to stop it from taking local paths shits into the binary
mircea_popescu: this would technically create trb-gcc wouldn't it
mircea_popescu: as they're not going to import it and well... aha.
ascii_rear: long past time.
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna be trb-gcc maintainer ?
ascii_rear: i still can't fathom who and why thought the pollution was justifiable.
ascii_rear: it will prolly have to be me...
mircea_popescu: well... giving love a chance over here.
ascii_rear: (anybody else here on speaking terms with gcc guts? pkease raise yer hand!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00049826 = 28.9987 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 14:08:41; mircea_popescu: this also illustrates the much larger point of the fukctardation of out-of-band communication. it's stupid and dangerous. there should be absolutely no "alternative mechanism" for a key being in any way processed outside of the key itself. timestamp ? fuck that.
mircea_popescu: best phrase some sort of objection or something tho, to establish a common ground somewhere.
mircea_popescu: bar that i guess i'll have to go into an analysis of contracting legal theory.
ascii_rear: mostly that i'm not grasping how in- vs out- of band thread ties in here
mircea_popescu: ok, let's try this :
mircea_popescu: suppose a world composed of three thinking agents, A, B and C.
mircea_popescu: situation 1 : single band.
mircea_popescu: A approaches C and inquires about B. C responds that B is untrustworthy and produces a contract that says "C has given B X, in consideration of which B will perform Y".
mircea_popescu: in this situation as described, A can make a determination ~without~ A having to be human. it's what you'd call a "strict" determination.
mircea_popescu: situation 2 : two bands.
mircea_popescu: A approaches C and inquires about B. C responds that B is untrustworthy and produces a contract that says "C has given B X, in consideration of which B will perform Y".
mircea_popescu: EXTRA STEP BECAUSE FUCKING STUPID MULTIBANDS!!!1! C now confronts B about A's contract.
ascii_rear: concretize the meaning of bands here plz
mircea_popescu: IF (YET ANOTHER EXTRA STEP!!11!) B responds that A's contract should be "set aside" (WHAT ?!?!) because "the law" (2nd band) says that bla bla,
mircea_popescu: A can no longer make a determination. at fucking all.
mircea_popescu: so they need to add D the judge and fucking hell we're back to what we were fixing.
ascii_rear: btw this is an instance of 'funarg problem'
mircea_popescu: imagine for a moment gpg ran the bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: "expired" keys ? really ?
ascii_rear: in that universe, it is solved. the solution, in this one, is:
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you want to add another band! it's suicide, obviously.
ascii_rear: static linking of the whole relevant body of law into the contract
ascii_rear: is this practiced anywhere?
mircea_popescu: no, because for THIS REASON the body of law can not be statically compiled.
mircea_popescu: too god damned many bands
mircea_popescu: because someone somewhere told idiots that the solution to imponderable problems is to add "tagging".
ascii_rear: and ianal but meat law contracts often include time
mircea_popescu: time is irrelevant here and can be deemed as part of the explicitation of "X"
ascii_rear: this is the part that confuses me
ascii_rear: why 'time is irrelevant' ?
mircea_popescu: because i did not include it in my discussion.
mircea_popescu: when following an example you can only reference objects the author included.
ascii_rear: thread was originally 'timestamps in pgp considered harmful' iirc
mircea_popescu: the problem with timestamps is not related to time
mircea_popescu: but to that they purport to convey information other than the key itself.
mircea_popescu: that's what makes them 2nd channel.
mircea_popescu: and there's a tie-in here about how all systems should fail deadly anyway, and consequently "timestamps" are not even allowed in the design because no way to enforce them.
ascii_rear: let's take another key field... name of owner. also irrelevant?
ascii_rear: or is it a useful signed expression of intent when key was made
ascii_rear: name also cannot be enforced - conceivably someone could distribute a key with name field stripped
mod6: its just a number, how can a name be relevant?
ascii_rear: signed statement associating a memorable human name with the signing modulus
mod6: doesn't matter
ascii_rear: i can see a case for 'modulus only' key
ascii_rear: but the problem with discarding the notion of time entirely is that enemy can subject you to endless replay attack
ascii_rear: taking your old output and presenting it to anybody he can get to, as your latest
mircea_popescu: name of owner is user-provided anyway.
mircea_popescu: you for instance are "stas"
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_rear
mircea_popescu: and note that the discussion wasn't "time is for all time and in all contexts irrelevant".
mircea_popescu: the discussion was that in the specific context of "key expiraton" the "time" part is not terribly relevant for our discussion of multiband. merely the fact that there's another band ductaped on.
ascii_rear: the statement 'anybody signing with this key after $condition is an impostor' is usefully machine-readable
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00049726 = 11.437 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_rear: unless i catastrophically misunderstand something
mircea_popescu: sure, but that'd be a contract, in-band.
mircea_popescu: not a "wait, band2 says this key is no longer good so you gotta consider this when looking in band now!11"
ascii_rear: ok so it turns out that mircea_popescu is simply insisting on 'p' !!
mircea_popescu: well... a certain design principle at any rate.
mircea_popescu: so.. P :D
ascii_rear: where all rules re: a key are expressed INSIDE the key
mircea_popescu: not just.
mircea_popescu: "all rules re a key are expressed inside a key such that being ignored breaks the whole thing"
mircea_popescu: and if there isn't a way for your "rule" to be made to satisfy this, a) it's not a rule and b) shut up and do some meditation, you're verging on stupid.
ascii_rear: protocol vs promise
ascii_rear: we had a good thread re: this
ascii_rear: !s protocol promise
assbot: 12 results for 'protocol promise' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=protocol+promise
mircea_popescu: this is really the revolution bitcoin brought about.
mircea_popescu: people think it's a major breakthrough in money, but that's doubtful. it is however a string of major breakthroughs in systems theory.
ascii_rear: that's what drew me in intellectually at any rate
ascii_rear: the very sweet lure of zapping 'buluceala'
mircea_popescu: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: o great. that may be the happiest that word's ever been.
ascii_rear: it was in a mircea_popescu article
ascii_rear: let's see...
mircea_popescu: very nicely used. you are now a honorary native romanian speaker.
assbot: Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VwFdQ7 )
ascii_rear: anyway we need a nice sweet opposite
mircea_popescu: ftr, it comes from tk, bölük - with a very latin -ala tacked on.
ascii_rear: ordnung?
mircea_popescu: nah, too german.
ascii_rear: organon.
mircea_popescu: suggests this weakass order that has to be maintained by barking weinerschnitzels.
ascii_rear: l0llz!
mircea_popescu: yeah, organon, cosmos, something.
ascii_rear: novum organon ftw
mircea_popescu: if i ever write a book about nazi camps etc, the evil guy's dogs are gonna be named ordnung ^ disziplin
ascii_rear pictures barking, snarling wienerschnitzel... sausage
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00049726 = 12.7547 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: re: quests << I think the quests you were thinking of in regards to Eulora logs are grind quests which contribute nothing to the gameplay but dungeon crawling/grinding. Get X something by killing Y something. But complex quests that add story are kinda key to singleplayer games. Be it robbing banks in GTA and listening to characters talk in the car; finding your son in Fallout 4; or finding your family in Red De
mircea_popescu: i was mostly thinking of wow.
mircea_popescu: which for some reason everyone decided to copy for a while there.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20485 @ 0.00049965 = 10.2353 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: well Blizzard is known for turning games into digital crack of some sort. some people get highly addicted despite how shitty the game is and stay hooked for years. It's not really a viable gameplay model, more just "here is some crack have fun".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4705 @ 0.00049966 = 2.3509 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: No matter how much hair is lost to polishing trb, let us all be thankful trb will nevar have these solutions: https://archive.is/a48Ko
assbot: Arch Linux with cinnamon : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1R6QZlq )
thestringpuller: "Since 0.11B we have added systemd init scripts to make sure that the node will be started and auto-restarted if you reboot. The systemd bitcoinxtd.service registers the XT based daemon for autostart."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00049876 = 2.1197 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358897 << amen, especially to the contracting bit.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 14:09:41; mircea_popescu: the less said, the less possibility of misunderstanding, which is why the main quality of a contract is being brief. the fewer venues communication may occur in, the fewer indecidable problems you'll meet. this rly is not rocket science.
ben_vulpes is cobbling together some grep and sed as we speak to ease the pain of handling fiatland contracts
ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes'
ben_vulpes: mind = blown
ben_vulpes: alternatively, comparing documents manually.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai is there really something to learn in #joinmarket?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: it's moderately documented in the code itself and on github. if you want to learn from belcher why he tangled the spaghetti just so, lurk around until he shows up
assbot: Things Are Not Adding Up For BitcoinXRomania - The Merkle ... ( http://bit.ly/1kAx0gd )
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359041 << while in theory there is no way to enforce them in practice there is no alternative to the gpg c-ball, and so therefore similarly to how the thing resists librarification it also enforces key expiration. until mpex doesn't respect key expiration, it /is/ enforced.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 16:14:26; mircea_popescu: and there's a tie-in here about how all systems should fail deadly anyway, and consequently "timestamps" are not even allowed in the design because no way to enforce them.
ben_vulpes: adlai: i might understand how it works, but i thought there might be...learning to had lurking over there.
ben_vulpes: *additional* learning.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14274 @ 0.00049742 = 7.1002 BTC [-]
adlai considers it one of the higher SNR #bitcoin-channels
ben_vulpes: well with bandwidth like that any noise at all would snipe it from the list
adlai: it's much sleepier than this place, there have been ~weeks with pretty much no activity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00049749 = 9.2036 BTC [+] {2}
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ben_vulpes: "And in the 20th century there were more and more college graduates. They increased from about 2% of the population in 1900 to about 25% in 2000." << if this is true, it definitely explains the PITA that "college educated" people are in the states.
ben_vulpes: a thing once a hallmark of literally the 98th percentile is now distributed to more-or-less all comers, but the education is now 90% training people to demand the respect such a diploma'd have warranted in the 1900s and 10% intersectional triggering studies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00049764 = 6.0214 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: leading to a great fuckton of "this corporate document is insufficiently sensitive to groups x y and z, and even though i'm not a part of any of them the corp must now change these docs or else what have i wasted the past n years of my life on anyways"
ben_vulpes: uno minimo respeto por la concern troll!
ben_vulpes extremely fucking loath to hire us degree holders under the age of forty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00049747 = 10.1981 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: * ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes' <<< no small part of why it's a joke.
mircea_popescu: fucking word ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: mother
ben_vulpes: fucking
ben_vulpes: you know what the absolute cherry on top is?
ben_vulpes: a PDF with changes conveniently color coded underlined and colorized to highlight moved text, removed text, added text and umpteen other categories of change.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my pleasure to inform you 256gb. have fun.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes every now and again some politico gets in hot water for submitting a "dirty" document
mircea_popescu: (ie, with changes still included)
deedbot-: accepted: 1
punkman: mircea_popescu: * ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes' <<< no small part of why it's a joke. << which country does not use Word?
ben_vulpes: b,tmsr~
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BingoBoingo: locally I hear Wordperfect is rather popular
mircea_popescu: punkman which country's derpage about "sovereignity" and you know, generally being a state isn't a joke ?
ben_vulpes: i've never seen contracts around here run anywhere near what bezzlelandia contracts do
punkman: signed vdiffs would be a good solution for contract changes btw
mircea_popescu: v is a universal solution for many problems.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00049833 = 13.4549 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: right off the top of my head : both medical diagnostics and inventory management should be run off v.
mircea_popescu: imagine a supermarket with v inventory management. fully fucking auditable!
mircea_popescu: "who signed for this going out ?"
mircea_popescu foresees a juicy consulting future for the overhaul of fiat world towards v-dom
ben_vulpes: no but no but we'll do inventory in the blockchain meerka
ben_vulpes: but not the bitcoin blockchain that's sacred or something so i have a new one
ben_vulpes: supplychain
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: but if it's not on the blockchain!!!!11111
thestringpuller: why does everyone want to write everything to the blockchain...
mircea_popescu: why did everyone in the 70s wear those idiotic bellbottoms ? what the fuck is with 80s hair ? how come every woman on okcupid today is bisexual ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google kink high
gribble: Kink High Rise Stem at Dan's Comp: <https://www.danscomp.com/products/370315/Kink_High_Rise_Stem.html>; Kink BMX – Highrise: <http://www.kinkbmx.com/parts/stems/highrise/>; Martin Luther King High School / Homepage: <http://www.kingwolves.org/>
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: come on bellbottoms were cool af
mircea_popescu: you'\re thinking of the hot asses that'd have looked hot if dressed in mud.
thestringpuller: I guess so, I love being at work and seeing chicks in those skinny jeans.
thestringpuller: but i guess beign slathered in mud would be just as good.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how come every woman on okcupid today is bisexual ? << i thought that every girl born after 1990 was bisexual.
mircea_popescu: seems more like 85
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> but not the bitcoin blockchain that's sacred or something so i have a new one << The reason for this is they are 6 years behind. By the time they get to alt v altcoins will have done their damage
mircea_popescu: it is and always has been the curse of the lame that they dun know where's da party at.
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3z56t9/bitcoin_the_homeless/ << what's with derps wanting to use Bitcoin to prevent poverty. cuz u kno givin free m0nie to homeless fixes poverty!!!111
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44214 @ 0.00049727 = 21.9863 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: whatever happened to sean's outpost nonsense?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16036 @ 0.0004968 = 7.9667 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: leah goodman moved there.
phf: When wasteful war shall datacenter overturn,/ icann no longer keeps the record of domain/ Nor Mars his sword nor war’s quick fire shall burn/ The cryptographic record of blockchain.
mircea_popescu: keep the dayjob.
phf: heheh, indeed
mircea_popescu: inverse measure of bitcoin mainstream penetration : about 0.3% of females and as high as .7% of males ask me if i'm the mpex mp. (the female sample is ~2k ; the male ~3k - not my fault, just males are about 100x more responsive to a profile visit than females for some reason. then again... about half of them are so fucking threatened by homosexuality they feel compelled to either point out to me that they're not gay, "
mircea_popescu: insult" me by saying i'm gay or else go into total shitfest mode. apparently "someone visited my profile" is A REALLY BIG FUCKING DEAL. but anyway)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You don't understand. For these people a profile visit IS a big deal. It's the closest they'll get to interacting with another person evar.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00049851 = 6.5305 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: These people don't rate/like each other, they don't message each other, they scroll through lists and OCCASIONALLY visit profiles. Because they site attract certain kinds of neuroses. It's why the fuckable girls don't last on there.
mircea_popescu: i dunno man... since i bitched here bout them being all short / that email showed up it's been the fucking vegas back room in here.
mircea_popescu: i spent all morning going through a line of 1.80 hotties.
mircea_popescu: im starting to think these dudes ACTUALLY DO segregate the userbase.
BingoBoingo: That's not news
mircea_popescu: and seeing how somehow, inexplicably, out of 100k+ dudes online DAILY during A FUCKING DECADE i;m the only one with a working copy of the bourne shell, i became king of the hill or something.
mircea_popescu: there you go asciilifeform, that's what explains fucking walled ghetos, the app store, word and what have you.
mircea_popescu: A FUCKING DECADE. hundred thousand males. looking for cunt. still've not figured out how to... curl it into submission. wide fucking open, but an open door's only open if someone has any automotive power whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: dumb as rocks just got a whole new meaning.
assbot: Iran's blogfather: Facebook, Instagram and Twitter are killing the web | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlRsxg )
mircea_popescu: lazy dumb conformist fucks are killing the fucking world, one kitten at a time.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Odio la sociedad actual, los pretenciosos, irreverentes, neo-feministas y social justice warriors, creo que no se necesita pertenecer/creer en movimientos o ideologías para hacerse respetar. "
phf: new take on верхи не хотят низы не могут: nerds are afraid to, jocks don't know how
mircea_popescu: this nerd/jock thing is such a victory in divide and conquer.
mircea_popescu: we didn't fucking have these in school back when i was a kid.
phf: nor did we
mircea_popescu: you could either listen to metal or else get the shit beaten out of you for being one of those depeche mode fags
mircea_popescu: like god fucking intended.
phf: it's a self fulfilling prophecy here from the divide and conquer department, "acting white". i don't do maths, i'm not a nerd. i don't fuck girls, i'm not a jock.
mircea_popescu: and if you do maths and fuck girls ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you not either.
phf: in u.s. you're an anomaly, at least that was my experience, everything's extremely segregated.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24366 @ 0.00049658 = 12.0997 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: phf: Because that's a necessary prerequisite to marketing
mircea_popescu: go up to cow, ask it if it's dairy cow or meat cow.
mircea_popescu: dairy cow explaining to its insufferable litter, "oh, you wanna work really hard in cowschool be a diary cow just like mom! those meat cows have it so much worse, it's way better to be bled bit by bit than cut apart in one go!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23691 @ 0.00049937 = 11.8306 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: who the fuck needs reddit anymore. straight males in america!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67450 @ 0.00050075 = 33.7756 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10812 @ 0.00049658 = 5.369 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33838 @ 0.00049584 = 16.7782 BTC [-] {4}
phf: i like how the first one uses protective incantations. "henceforth and therefore ipso facto ... DATABASES!"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu listens to metal now
mircea_popescu: well not now. but when i was 16
mod6: haha 'psychic height readers'
mircea_popescu: it's like a nut factory out there.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you ever see reddit trying to get girls? it's not pretty.
BingoBoingo: lol mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25094 @ 0.00049521 = 12.4268 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5895 @ 0.000504 = 2.9711 BTC [+] {3}
davout: ohai cult, also happy new year!
BingoBoingo: ohai davout
mod6: hny davout
mircea_popescu: they have new years in france too ?!
mircea_popescu: i thought they just reused the same one.
davout: we tried going on strike but 2016 came anyway, so meh
mircea_popescu: in other news, very convenient local shop i use for seafood ? closed for the holidays
mircea_popescu: UNTIL THE 18TH!
mircea_popescu: there are numerous places that close down FOR ALL OF DECEMBER.
mircea_popescu: and people give the french a hard time.
mircea_popescu: i don't think there exists an argentine that did a year's honest work total in his entire life.
davout: guess your december is our august
mircea_popescu: maybe some 107 year old somewhere on the border with chile or something.
mircea_popescu: davout hey, at least you have the muslims to hopefully kill all the males and rape all the females, reset the shithole.
mircea_popescu: all they got here are paraguayans, and they're short and few.
davout: paris is such a nice place in august, emptied of the dumbass parisians, and full of defenseless young american tourists
mircea_popescu: yeah, until a pipe cracks,
davout: not sure what you mean
mircea_popescu: cuz you'll have to find an american tourist that's also a plumber
deedbot-: [Qntra] Lead Top Performing Metal of 2015 - http://qntra.net/2016/01/lead-top-performing-metal-of-2015/
BingoBoingo: ^ In altcoin news
mircea_popescu: check it out we have a metals desk now ?
BingoBoingo: I heard it on the radio when driving for fresh cigarettes came back and confirmed while also seeing no one making this an internet print headline
BingoBoingo: spammy radio investing show had this headline on their AM band advertorial show, but not actual news outlets. After confirming with charts was too good to leave to spammers while the rest of the media is hungover.
davout: don't give out all your tricks like that!
BingoBoingo: Could be misdirection in an effort to get lurking competition to waste braincycles
davout: now you're giving away your deception tricks too
mircea_popescu: eh what brain cycles.
BingoBoingo: The precious few they have to spare after respiration is accounted for
BingoBoingo: It's not just distracting to them, actually life endangering
BingoBoingo: Also there's people who are going to get the strategy wrong and waste time listening to low information talk radio with ear time instead of using their ears for anything else
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mg
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
BingoBoingo: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00260472 / 0.00260493 / 0.00260623 (625 shares, 1.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00253536 / 0.0025824 / 0.00262332 (2731 shares, 7.05 BTC), 30D: 0.00061753 / 0.00218377 / 0.00282306 (14017 shares, 30.61 BTC)
jurov: it's assbot's way of telling these assets did not trade last month
jurov: asciilifeform: turdatron mystery solved, gpg says you signed "aws banhammer" using old key
jurov: gpg: Signature made So 26. december 2015, 01:37:34 CET using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
jurov: gpg: Good signature from "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>" [expired]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4216 @ 0.00049502 = 2.087 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00049502 = 12.3507 BTC [-]
jurov: (and it ignores expiry date)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9186 @ 0.00049502 = 4.5473 BTC [-]
jurov: !up Guest76880
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5185 @ 0.00050022 = 2.5936 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18015 @ 0.00050402 = 9.0799 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8275 @ 0.0005001 = 4.1383 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.0005001 = 8.7017 BTC [-]
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: le cool.
mircea_popescu: how was vacation jurov ?
jurov: very good
jurov: just sun and frost whole time, no snow at all. but we did not miss it, ended up hiking around in the mountains
mircea_popescu: somehow they manage to go through that entire textgoop and not mention the thing's an obvious ripoff off some blackpeopledate thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2909 @ 0.0005001 = 1.4548 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !gettrust jstolfi
assbot: jstolfi is not registered in WoT.
davout: no shit
mircea_popescu: is this the attention whore that "quit reddit" for a week or something over "threats" ?
davout: precisely
mircea_popescu: must suck to suck.
shinohai: Heh I have seen jstofli in buttcoin and btctalk. He considers himself highly-educated on all topics Bitcoin despite not liking BTC at all, or so he claims.
mircea_popescu: if memory serves he was a thirld world "grad student" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud dtf
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DTF | DOWN TO GET THAT DICK DTFNE1 down to fuck any 1. She's DTF, She wants my dick in or around her mouth! - SuperBad. by KENDALL L January 01, 2008.
mircea_popescu: the shit i'm learning.
shinohai: Yeah he is a grad student from Brasil.
assbot: Jorge Stolfi - Homepage/Página inicial ... ( http://bit.ly/1kB3eYI )
mircea_popescu: ;;google "Universidade Estadual de Campinas" rating
gribble: Universidade Estadual de Campinas (Unicamp) | Undergraduate ...: <http://www.topuniversities.com/universities/universidade-estadual-de-campinas-unicamp/undergrad>; Universidade Estadual de Campinas (Unicamp) Rankings | Top ...: <http://www.topuniversities.com/node/2250/ranking-details/world-university-rankings/2014>; University of Campinas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15916 @ 0.00049551 = 7.8865 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Currently UNICAMP offers undergraduate degrees in 66 majors, including medicine, dentistry, several engineering specializations, basic natural and human sciences, applied sciences, teaching and arts. Its admission process is one of the most competitive in Brazil, with nearly 52,000 candidates for 3310 incoming students. Undergraduate education at UNICAMP is provided by the State of São Paulo for all its students free
mircea_popescu: of charge. In addition, housing, meals, transportation and a living stipend may also be provided on a need basis, so that of the 16,700 undergraduate students at UNICAMP, over 2,200 receive some support. Undergraduate education at UNICAMP operates in three campuses: the School of Dentistry in Piracicaba, the College of Applied Sciences and the College of Technology in Limeira"
mircea_popescu: apparently it's an actual university, check that out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00049516 = 11.7105 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Unicamp went from the 44th to the 28th position on the list of the world's top 100 universities under 50 years old, according to the ranking released on Wednesday (19) by Times Higher Education (THE), one of the most important institutions of evaluation of the higher education."
mircea_popescu: now this i gotta see.
assbot: QS World University Rankings® 2014/15 | Top Universities ... ( http://bit.ly/1YXlFK6 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00049502 = 17.4247 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: not in top 100 either.
mircea_popescu: anyway, whatevs.
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/nGwtpDP.jpg <<< Rather alluring despite the tats
mircea_popescu: is allure codeword for nice ass ?
shinohai: Sumthin like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4308 @ 0.00049942 = 2.1515 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5394 @ 0.00049943 = 2.6939 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM-Q_zpuJGU << in which hussein bahamas makes a pilgrimage to the mecca of clean comedy
assbot: Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee: "Just Tell Him You’re The President” (Season 7, Episode 1) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YXoquS )
pete_dushenski: (jerry seinfeld)
mircea_popescu: a show named after a boring pets thing got 7 seasons ?
mircea_popescu: my god has tv died
pete_dushenski: they're properly webisodes
mircea_popescu: ;;google hussein bahamas in funny hats through a wide angle lens
gribble: Mars Curiosity: Internet pranksters set to work on viral pictures with ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2184966/Mars-Curiosity-Internet-pranksters-set-work-viral-pictures-help-Photoshop.html>; Did Google Street View capture a UFO in Missouri? Experts weigh in ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267412/Did-Google-Street-View-capture-UFO-Missouri- (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359256 << that's just about the worst thing that western europe could've ever exported. /me is glad that canada has no such affliction
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 20:48:06; mircea_popescu: UNTIL THE 18TH!
pete_dushenski: speaking of albertastan, i wonder how hard it would be to track down that 31 yo romo-ish event-planner-cum-banker chickie. she can't be far away.
mircea_popescu: and do what ?
pete_dushenski: i'm sure she'd be thrilled to hear that her reputation precedes her
pete_dushenski: not even ironically !
pete_dushenski: "oh i'm so wounded, i mean flattered"
pete_dushenski: eh, if i ever so happen to cross paths with her, i'll poke her with an ascerbic stick and then run away like the little junior high boy i am, singing merrily about how nowhere's safe from the internet
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359203 << hot damn that's tall.. you trying to make more pantagruels or something ?
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 19:39:32; mircea_popescu: i spent all morning going through a line of 1.80 hotties.
mircea_popescu: but...why ?
mircea_popescu: some random chick, what's the big deal.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm fucking tall, i like tall chicks... it's an eastern european thing.
pete_dushenski: lol twas a just a joke. my fillie is 1.78m tall
pete_dushenski: I KNOW YOU'RE NOT HAVING KIDS
pete_dushenski: i'm sure my little pantagruel will be dating chicks 1.9m+ if he gets anywhere near the 2.0m+ he's on track for.
pete_dushenski: anyways, bbias
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.0004966 = 9.634 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: !up gentoognuhurd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89200 @ 0.0004943 = 44.0916 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00050405 = 5.0153 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25619 @ 0.00050434 = 12.9207 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_rear
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00049396 = 19.8572 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_rear
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 21:19:43; jurov: asciilifeform: turdatron mystery solved, gpg says you signed "aws banhammer" using old key
ascii_rear: something is very broken.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 23:31:53; mircea_popescu: !up gentoognuhurd
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_rear
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359207 << the crackpottery is new. or rather, it dud nit exist a decade ago when i last gave a fuck
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 19:41:08; mircea_popescu: there you go asciilifeform, that's what explains fucking walled ghetos, the app store, word and what have you.
pete_dushenski: "There's a reason all the cheapo whores of the Victorian empire drank gin. It's one step above wood distillate for fucks sake (of course in the newfound poverty of the end of the world, even that is making a come-back - hey, why did you think absinth was popular in the 1800s ?). Gin drinking investment bankers, help me Rwanda." << in case no one else can stomach that video of bahamas and seinfeld posted above, i
pete_dushenski: 'll just point out that he takes a swig of gin mid-sentence while waxing nostalgic about teddy roosevelt. heh.
mircea_popescu: i kinda lost all hope for the bahamas schmuck after his pathetic whitehouse dinner with some it luminaries or something\
mircea_popescu: packed like fucking sardines.
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359165 << at last we can achieve the high-tech marvels of... babylon.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 18:55:33; mircea_popescu: right off the top of my head : both medical diagnostics and inventory management should be run off v.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 18:45:10; mircea_popescu: * ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes' <<< no small part of why it's a joke.
ascii_rear saw alive
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 18:48:05; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my pleasure to inform you 256gb. have fun.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 17:40:12; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359041 << while in theory there is no way to enforce them in practice there is no alternative to the gpg c-ball, and so therefore similarly to how the thing resists librarification it also enforces key expiration. until mpex doesn't respect key expiration, it /is/ enforced.
ascii_rear: static, de-#ifdef'd, etc.
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359106 << it only works on folks 'with no theorems to prove'
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 17:02:20; thestringpuller: well Blizzard is known for turning games into digital crack of some sort. some people get highly addicted despite how shitty the game is and stay hooked for years. It's not really a viable gameplay model, more just "here is some crack have fun".
pete_dushenski: last comment on bahamas video : it ends with him behind the wheel of 63 corvette split-window, asking gate guard if he can please leave the white house compound to go grab a coffee with jerrrry, guard says "no," then bahamas just shrugs it off AND TURNS AROUND. "well that's unbelievable, golly" he says. /me cannot imagine putin, merkel, or goddam trudeau taking it on the chin like this.
pete_dushenski: seriously, what leader of the free world ? he isn't the leader of his own backyard.
pete_dushenski: "First kosher marijuana to go on sale in New York"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10104 @ 0.00049678 = 5.0195 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 03-01-2016 01:21:44; ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359123 << fwiw i have it fully librarified
pete_dushenski: nah, that's shiva
ben_vulpes: 'shiva' dramatically undervalues the work that went into undoing a bastion of the crypto wars, pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: lol relax ben. it's saturday night, grab a drink. and relax.
ben_vulpes: "oh it's just alf lol doing in an afternoon what the usg dreamt of doing all throughout the ninedies"
ben_vulpes: quip on
pete_dushenski: relax on :P
pete_dushenski looking for movie to see tonight in theatres (maybe even something quippy!) but finding little of interest yet. open to recommendations.
pete_dushenski: "The University of Guelph’s Food Institute estimates the average Canadian household spent an additional $325 on food this year. On top of that, consumers should expect an additional annual increase of about $345 in 2016." << because my $1k/mo is apparently inadequate. yaaaay cdn !
assbot: If you think groceries are expensive now, brace for more sticker shock in 2016 | Financial Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1kBkkG7 )
pete_dushenski: "“There’s all kinds of reasons why we should be using and enjoying our pulses more. They’re affordable, they’re nutritious, they have a great source of protein, they have a low environmental footprint,” Stewart said." << spreading works !
pete_dushenski: "Frozen and canned produce can be great alternatives when a particular fruit or vegetable spikes in price" <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-11-2015#1324420
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2015 00:13:28; mircea_popescu: "what is this ?" "vegetables and rice" "no it isn't. where you got these ?" "oh, they come in very convenient bags, frozen" "are you fucking crazy ?!"
pete_dushenski: from same fishwrap, http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/joe-oliver-ontarios-fiscal-train-wreck, basically confirming that, without alberta's oilconomy, canada is going to hell in a handbasket.
assbot: Joe Oliver: Ontario’s fiscal train wreck | Financial Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1kBkBJ5 )
pete_dushenski: "Ontario is the largest sub-national debtor in the entire world, just one alarming distinction. Its debt is more than twice that of California, a state with three times the population and one that has its own severe fiscal problems. Its debt is $294 billion, or over $21,000 per capita. Net debt to GDP is up 48 per cent in the past 10 years to almost 40 per cent, second only to Quebec. Last year’s interest obli
pete_dushenski: gations totalled $11.4 billion, about the same as the cost of community and social services."
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 05:42:10; pete_dushenski: leave the fucktarded "real estate is our most thriving industry" torontonians for dead already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64350 @ 0.00049678 = 31.9678 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: !up n6096
pete_dushenski: !up joesmoe
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: So when's contravex getting an archives page?
pete_dushenski: i re-implemented the search function and added a drop-down archives box in the right column
pete_dushenski: i can't seem to maintain both a static single post on the front page and a full list in the archives. seems to be one or the other in this theme.
BingoBoingo: No, no an actual page with the titles of everything. You know something for people to search
BingoBoingo: paginated by month, year, day is no good.
pete_dushenski: i agree. i also have yet to find a suitable solution. any recommendations ? can qntra's style be copies perhaps ?
BingoBoingo: trilema can get away with one because trilema is indexed so well by google for nsa purposes. finding clever things pete_dushenski wrote when I was recapping 2015 in Bitcoin was very different. Very painful.
pete_dushenski: heh. ya, my apologies.
BingoBoingo: The code that generateds part of the archives list is borrowed from a plugin
BingoBoingo: the bulk of the page though is static'd
BingoBoingo: Because one can't add new posts to history.
BingoBoingo: But the way to do these things is find code that almost does what you want and delete parts until it does exactly what you want
BingoBoingo: If you want to be a real dick instead of an archives page you can do a post "Complete Contravex Archives" that continually updates itself.
assbot: Archives | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZH2hxS )
pete_dushenski: only downside is no preview blurbs, but overall, great success !
pete_dushenski: cheers bb !!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55100 @ 0.00050521 = 27.8371 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: preview blurbs are for losers without memories
BingoBoingo: Thank you pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: the pleasure is mine
BingoBoingo: So you goes your trb adventure?
pete_dushenski: tevye's churning away like a champ ! using ~185mb of ram atm.
pete_dushenski: last time i tried it was >1gb of ram, so the footprint's coming down.
pete_dushenski: still early however, ~250`000 height
pete_dushenski: much credit is due to the whole trb team for developing the package as we enjoy it today
pete_dushenski: the progress since october 2014 has been nothing short of impressive
pete_dushenski: short of spectacular ? less than impressive ? eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189248 @ 0.00049358 = 93.409 BTC [-] {7}
pete_dushenski: so i interviewed a nanny tonight and it looks like we're a go, if just for a day a week. an employer is me !
pete_dushenski: so matyoor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00050075 = 22.2834 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: <ascii_rear> static, de-#ifdef'd, etc. <<< that's pretty cvool actually.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> seriously, what leader of the free world ? he isn't the leader of his own backyard. <<< generally that's how this "civilisation" business works. you may have the fetish of power if and only if you abandon all power. serve the system as it were.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> "oh it's just alf lol doing in an afternoon what the usg dreamt of doing all throughout the ninedies" << yes, but then again the usg can't get two thinking people to rub together if its continuation depended on it.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i suspect alf actually ~contains~ two or three.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> basically confirming that, without alberta's oilconomy, canada is going to hell in a handbasket. << that's ok, because getting together some rental chairs and phoning a caterer makes one practically in investment banking, which is international, so...
mircea_popescu: "Its debt is $294 billion, or over $21,000 per capita." <<< ahahahaha fucking forget it already.
mircea_popescu: might as well be 7 metric fucktons. who gives a shit about fucking norilsk ? it's not worth the snow it's splattered on.
mircea_popescu: !up n6096
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> last time i tried it was >1gb of ram, so the footprint's coming down. << Ironically my bastart build went from consistent ~300 MB to constant 1 GB of RAM after BDB fix
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> trilema can get away with one because trilema is indexed so well by google for nsa purposes. << funny thing is, it was well indexed in 2010 too.
BingoBoingo: Perk of being early
mircea_popescu: also for the record BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2015/
assbot: 2015 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwRfYw )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also for the record BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2015/ << paginated doesn't count
assbot: 2015 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwRfYw )
mircea_popescu: which is how we find out trilema saw 413 articles in 2015
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?
BingoBoingo: Single page archives with every title are the future.
BingoBoingo: and the past
BingoBoingo: Can't paginate by year
mircea_popescu: eh i can't get 15k links on a single page.
BingoBoingo: How do you know that?
mircea_popescu: heh. I GUESS I JUST ASS UMED!
BingoBoingo: ASS UMED is best university of medicine
BingoBoingo: Anyways went to visit brother's house for dinner. This involved crossing the Mississippi which has apparently been receeding. HOLY FUCK THE WATER!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28727 @ 0.00050076 = 14.3853 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Water solidly all up in the metal arches of the Eads Bridge
BingoBoingo crossed the border using the boring dickman bridge
assbot: I'm Big In Fuzhou. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1mrCjR7 )
phf: wtf happened to namecheap? went to renew domains, it's like a web 2.0 theme park over there
BingoBoingo: phf: You know this thing the Mississippi river is doing? It happened in namecheap heads a while back. Except the water is still there.
BingoBoingo: brains that wet don't recover
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00049274 = 19.9067 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: phf don't fucking remind me. imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: they lost thousands of dollars in domains, too. i hope they go the way of fucking godaddy.
phf: that seams like a fate of every registrar. none of them go "remember how dyndns used to be literally one html page with a post to buy and post to update? let's do that!"
mircea_popescu: just like no woman goes "remember how i used to not be fucking annoying twenty years ago ? lemme try that for a spell!"
mircea_popescu: they got fucking responsibilities dontcha know. and other assorted delusions to maintain.
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