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mitch_callahan: Interesting to see a presidential candidate on basically a Skype interview
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pete_dushenski: !s infowars
assbot: 17 results for 'infowars' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=infowars
pete_dushenski: sort of an orlov character, isn't he ?
pete_dushenski: or more of a keiser ?
mitch_callahan: sorry I don't know Orlov.
pete_dushenski: you know keiser ?
mitch_callahan: Yea, never really got much from him, though
mitch_callahan: Just talked too much IMO in a high pitched voice
pete_dushenski: !s orlov
assbot: 260 results for 'orlov' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=orlov
pete_dushenski: orlov mostly flows to b-a via the alfian-ruskie tunnel.
pete_dushenski: mp's done a couple pieces on him too
pete_dushenski: ;;google site:trilema.com orlov
gribble: February 2014 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/02>; Let's clarify some things on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/lets-clarify-some-things>; Agency and other notes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/>
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mitch_callahan: ha, more depths of trilema for me to read 10x
mitch_callahan: is this Dmitry Orlov ?
pete_dushenski: the one and only
mitch_callahan: k, I'll watch some vids on this guy.
mitch_callahan: man, I was at an event tonight, and for once I met someone who brought up bitcoin before me.
mitch_callahan: was crazy refreshing.
pete_dushenski: what'd your friend think of our little tech ?
mitch_callahan: loves it. basically said in Canada we rely on oil, and real estate. oil is in the slumps, so Torontonians are now propping up poorer cities, like Hamilton, to keep the bubble going.
mitch_callahan: but loves the btc, for again, obvious reasons, it's outside of our largest industries control, not inflatable, etc, etc.
mitch_callahan: i just feel there is this huge generational gap. it doesn't matter what tech i talk about, but "boomers" or whatever will never comprehend most of it.
pete_dushenski: the generational gap lies more in youth's fascination with the new and the aged man's acceptance of the status quo as what's (mostly) worked every day in his life thus far
pete_dushenski: as well as "boomers" very strong desire to maintain, if not grow, the little patch of earth they've thus far claimed for themselves
mitch_callahan: makes sense. i see "Tech savvy" older guys, even in the sense that these guys can program, eventually they reach a treshold, and dont move much from there.
pete_dushenski: youth, to the extent that they have no patch of anything to call their own, are inclined to jump aboard any train promising any sort of future
pete_dushenski: be it 'apps' or 'the frontier' or bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: then there's the educational gap aka. learning curve. unattached youths have more time (if not money) to invest in sorting out what bitcoin's about
pete_dushenski: once you've a family and a mid-level management position and a beer league hockey team and a church group, that's it. you're a gonner.
pete_dushenski: the two hours a week you can wedge into understanding bitcoin means that it'll be a decade before you sort out which was is up in the whole shebang
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mitch_callahan: yea, i can blame it on generation, but i meet people in businesses who could make obvious improvements utilizing a basic website, but they dont. i could blame generational gaps, but it's just lack of knowledge or willingness to learn.
pete_dushenski: from their perspective, not caring about 'digital things' is the most efficient use of their time
mitch_callahan: how does that make any sense ?
pete_dushenski: they've never been raped by it, so what's to fear ?
pete_dushenski: their time is better spent worrying about things that CAN rape them
pete_dushenski: like not having customers
mitch_callahan: lol I feel like they're being raped right now and they don't even see it
pete_dushenski: or having employees flake off
pete_dushenski: rape you can't feel and don't even know about is entirely useless from an educative perspective
pete_dushenski: it's more theft than rape in that case
mitch_callahan: man, but I think: what about all the lost customers from not changing?
mitch_callahan: I know people arent fans of uber here, but its like taxi companies not thinking "hey, could we improve our experience?"
pete_dushenski: well 1. uber isn't about the experience, it's about the medallions, and 2. who says there are lost customers from not changing your website from web 2.0 to web 1.0 ?
mitch_callahan: its about people who havent gotten to web 1.0
mitch_callahan: what do you mean about the medallions?
ben_vulpes: mitch_callahan: the monopolies
pete_dushenski: let's do one at a time, first: taxi medallions are essentially very expensive and carefully allocated driver's permits for cabbies. this permit can run $50k+++ in larger cities and gives the owner the right to operate a cab in that city. they're seen as an investment by the cabbies because they often appreciate in value, even to the point that they're based down from father-to-son in the way a feudal lord would'
pete_dushenski: ve given his land to his kid.
mitch_callahan: ahh yes, okay I know what you mean
pete_dushenski: cabbies are therefore highly protective of these medallions, but are obviously been badly disrupted by uber et al., which allow anyone with any car to drive anyone anywhere anytime.
pete_dushenski: as to the non-web 1.0-ites, what are these, farmers market stall operators ? since we're working with your experience, let's make it concrete, ya ?
pete_dushenski: hell, in my experience, even farmers market stall operators have websites !
mitch_callahan: ha, yes some do for sure.
mitch_callahan: but, you'd be surprised man. imagine companies in which the majority of their leads come from online, and they're not interested in making a mobile experience. consequently, their search engine ranking drops and their leads get cut in half.
mitch_callahan: or the basics of getting a website so I can find you for "XYZ near me"
mitch_callahan: about the medallions, i mean, for me, I dont care if you're a medallion driver, keep them on the road, just give me a better way to interface with them.
mitch_callahan: id much rather an app which takes me 3 seconds, then calling, waiting, and explaining my location, then standing around hoping I catch them.
mitch_callahan: funny enough tho, I had a guy "pick me up" and drive off, with me left on the side walk, a la ascii.
mitch_callahan: but i was quickly refunded.
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pete_dushenski: do cab companies in t.o. not have decent apps ?
mitch_callahan: we used to have Halo, but they left.
mitch_callahan: the major company, Beck, made an app
mitch_callahan: but all it was was a big button which called their operator, and it was business as usual
pete_dushenski is pretty sure edm. has this, but no smarthph0ne so doesn't give two shits.
pete_dushenski: weird man.
mitch_callahan: just stupid
mitch_callahan: i mean uber made the model, just copy it
pete_dushenski: lazy fucking cab companies like that deserve to be shot in the stomach.
mitch_callahan: i swear it's like they hired their "smart nephew" to make the app and he's clueless
pete_dushenski: hakim. in bangalore. aha.
mitch_callahan: lol exactly, and the design was made in paint.
pete_dushenski: time to move back to civilisation then eh ?
mitch_callahan: where would that be ?
pete_dushenski: leave the fucktarded "real estate is our most thriving industry" torontonians for dead already
pete_dushenski: i dunno, alberta's not bad.
mitch_callahan: alberta is okay man
pete_dushenski: hell, saskatoon's a pretty town, decent little economy
mitch_callahan: i mean you mention it yourself.. culture barely has a breath
mitch_callahan: edmonton is friendly, i like it there
mitch_callahan: but toronto has a handful of things, i get along with most people and i can find anything I need
mitch_callahan: mostly a numbers game I guess
mitch_callahan: if I'm staying in Canada, it's going to be here
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: lol are you serious medallions are inherited up there?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: dude, medallions are inherited in nyc
pete_dushenski: land of the $1 mn + medallion
ben_vulpes: private equity owns most of those
ben_vulpes: cabbies sold 'em all for a shot at college
pete_dushenski: http://nycitycab.com/Business/TaxiMedallionList.aspx << post-uber nyc medallions are $600-700k. most here sold by 'independents'
assbot: NYC Taxi Medallions for sale List ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaZzcb )
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: smart play by the cabbies who sold in 2011 - 2013
mitch_callahan: when I was in NYC last, I was told one guy took a massive bank loan and purchased a lot of those.. and leased them out.
mitch_callahan: after uber, the value was cut in half, and he didn't want to pay his loan..
mitch_callahan: not sure his status now, but he was some "medallion kingpin"
pete_dushenski: probably "panhandling kingpin" now :P
mitch_callahan: ha close to it, using his last strings to lobby against uber
mitch_callahan: shit i was using lyft when i was there, they had a $5 promo anywhere in the lower half of manhattan.. cant beat that.
ben_vulpes is going off years-old hearsay anyways
mitch_callahan: i just envision the future where uber is the mainstream, and it's gonna suck so much balls, we're waiting for the next thing.
mitch_callahan: their surge pricing is such a pain in the ass
mitch_callahan: thats when i take a normal taxi and i'm stoked
ben_vulpes: mitch_callahan: you're not excited to own a fraction of a self-driving fleet?
pete_dushenski: http://observer.com/2015/04/exclusive-leading-councilman-to-propose-taxi-bailout/ << maybe this was the joo who took out massive loan, saw values fall, AND THEN ASKED CITY COUNCIL FOR A BAILOUT ?
assbot: EXCLUSIVE: Leading Councilman to Propose Taxi Bailout | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1OaZXHI )
pete_dushenski: Evgeny ‘Gene’ Freidman
mitch_callahan: ben_vulpes - do you mean some Tesla's or some other fangled contraptions?
ben_vulpes: funny how easily the medallion hustle was knocked over
ben_vulpes: mitch_callahan: doesn't matter whose
ben_vulpes: they will eventually have lower failure rates than humans
mitch_callahan: i dont know enough about the technology to comment tbh
mitch_callahan: from what I've seen from the tesla cars, it looks amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
pete_dushenski: lol it's a pipe-dream, the self-driving car, like colonising mars
mitch_callahan: the current tech is pretty good.
pete_dushenski: pretty good isn't good enough !
ben_vulpes: what is good enough?
ben_vulpes: turns out, actuaries make that call.
pete_dushenski: a human driver.
pete_dushenski: is good enough.
ben_vulpes: nope, whatever costs the insurance companies less.
mitch_callahan: one sec lemme find the link
assbot: TESLA AUTOPILOT ROCKS !! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/21GdRvf )
ben_vulpes: mcdonaldsizing of driving. americans drive so poorly they need robots to help.
mitch_callahan: i mean, this car gets over the air updates. that freaks me the fuck out.
pete_dushenski: lol whatever insurance company thinks they're getting a deal by having some brogrammers handle situations "no one could've predicted" is going bust worse than aig circa 2007
ben_vulpes: sure if you say so pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: faster than real time trajectory analysis sure aint a thing
pete_dushenski: how are all those sensors going to work when your car's dirty, when it's snowing, when it's hailing, etc.
ben_vulpes: how did humans ever drive with foggy windows indeed
ben_vulpes: and while drinking even
ben_vulpes: they'll hurt someone i tell you
pete_dushenski: how well's your fancy little futuremobile going to drive when one sensor gets knocked out, along with the warning signal that it's knocked out, ever so conveniently, and it turns right into oncoming traffic ?
ben_vulpes: just one? you don't want to propose a cascading failure?
pete_dushenski: dude, the technology needed to make a self-driving car is not only incredibly complex, but super fragile
mitch_callahan: like a human who's a little tired and had too many drinks?
pete_dushenski: tired and drunk drivers are a thing, obviously, but isn't it incredible how few mistakes they make, even so ?
mitch_callahan: they make few mistakes ?
pete_dushenski: ok, show me the daily piles of bodies at the morgue from all the sleepyheads who didn't pull over for a coffee
mitch_callahan: lol. likewise for tesla's driving themselves.
mitch_callahan: the big thing that scares me with the tesla is those over air updates.. who knows what's coming through.
ben_vulpes: perhaps if the world of 3 cars per american were to continue, there'd be an economic point to getting normies off the road. entire us interstate system is a ridiculous boondoggle that's going away, along with the mass-market car, and drivers who can't handle an ambush.
pete_dushenski: mitch_callahan: nonsense. you can't compare a data set with quadrillions of driven miles to data sets with a million or two driven miles
mitch_callahan: well then, time will tell. :)
ben_vulpes: mitch_callahan: doctorow did a story where $badpeople took control of a robot car to kill the protagonists
mitch_callahan: ben_vulpes, was that the twitter guys who highjacked the jeep cherokee ?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: who has the quadrillions of driven miles?
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pete_dushenski: cars with human drivers.
ben_vulpes: but each driver has a very limited number of hours.
ben_vulpes: the bayesian driver has many orders of magnitude more.
pete_dushenski: over a lifetime, they have plenty, across the generations idem
ben_vulpes: generations of driving lol
ben_vulpes: what like two
ben_vulpes: one at 30mph and the other at 75
pete_dushenski: i should say, 'cars with direct human drivers', as opposed to 'cars with indirect human drivers' (ie. self-driving)
pete_dushenski: ;;google qntra uconnect
gribble: No matches found.
pete_dushenski: the fuck... i wrote those guys up for a qntra, mitch_callahan
assbot: "Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcYLV2 )
pete_dushenski: i blame bingo's title for google's suckness lol
mitch_callahan: I think that's where I read about it
mitch_callahan: qntra, the beautiful
ben_vulpes: put more computers into thing
ben_vulpes: things*
ben_vulpes: make more shit lethal and wide open to script kiddies
ben_vulpes: lezzgo
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: anyways, the point stands that all the over-the-air updates and all the sensors and on-board computers in the world can't compete with the cheapness and robustness of meatrobots.
assbot: The complexity of life, a triad on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZbV9r )
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ben_vulpes: yes yes
mitch_callahan: that i will read. anyhow gents i need to roll.
mitch_callahan: on a side note, ben_vulpes I landed on this teeny bopper rap group, and they reminded me of you (young gangsta white kid)
assbot: Kalin And Myles - Trampoline - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ob1s8B )
pete_dushenski: now ~that's~ a stack of cute girls.
pete_dushenski: (hm. do i want to go back to high school or something?)
ben_vulpes: i just love this kind of music mitch_callahan how did you know
assbot: RECRUITMENT 2016 on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ob1WM3 )
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lmao. what you like and what mc sees you ~making~ are two different concerns.
pete_dushenski: obviously, who could like that garbage ?
pete_dushenski: but could one imagine ben v tearing it up alongside some hood yoof in a music video aimed at cool teens ? fo sho !
ben_vulpes: not nearly enough lazers and drugs
ben_vulpes: cannot endorse
assbot: EDC Las Vegas 2015 Official Trailer - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ob2ku1 )
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ben_vulpes: once upon a time maybe
ben_vulpes: nowadays i just lie on the floor and enjoy the odd fifteen seconds alone in my head
phf: edc is nice, it's where large burner groups bring their last year's installations, so they can fund shit for next year. if you don't feel like getting alcaline dust in all the things, it's a good option, but seriously, if you want a proper rave, go to outside of america
ben_vulpes: indubitably
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punkman: "Before we erase a memory, we take a backup, in case you regret it." / "And if not?" / "After twenty years, it is anonymised and may be sold."
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punkman: guten tag
punkman: phf, does anyone even do proper raves anymore?
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "the judge became an exceedeed housewife" << with all this extra 'e' kicking around you could be a raver !
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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phf: punkman: you means do kids still play music and get really really high?
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adlai: punkman: in remote unreachable corners of the forest/desert? of course
punkman: I'm thinking more underground parties at abandoned warehouses
adlai: anywhere you can bribe the police to ignore
punkman: otherwise, yeah Ibiza's still there
adlai: poor pigs feel love to show up. what to do, they feel excluded, but ruin the lightshow fengshui
pete_dushenski is irked when kids say 'ibitha' but not 'barthelona'. be moar consistent goddamit !
phf: punkman: those still happen in the ghetto mostly, so not so much abandoned, just really really cheap rent and little police presence. i don't know how it is in midwest, but i assume it's mostly lighting couches there for fun
punkman: pete_dushenski: spanish lisping is complicated!
pete_dushenski: much less catalan !
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fluffypony: pete_dushenski: I agree
fluffypony: Plus they sound like they're in Fawlty Towers the way they say it
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pete_dushenski: if the kids knew they were aping fawlty towers, i wouldn't be nearly as annoyed
adlai: proof the UBI crowd are a buncha twerps: not once have they cited russell
adlai: eg "the road to happiness and prosperity lies in an organised diminution of work"
adlai: "Work, which [Russell] defines as moving bits of matter around at or near the surface of the earth, is not the aim of life. If it were, people would enjoy it. Yet, by and large, those who actually carry it out shun work whenever possible. It is those who tell others what to do who laud its virtues."
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adlai likes the concept, but idiocy rears its head when such grants invariably come from confiscation, sometimes even suggesting inflation as "a source of tax-free revenue for the government, which could help fund BIG"
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assbot: Gangsta's Paradise - Vintage 1920's Al Capone Style Coolio Cover ft. Robyn Adele Anderson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HOjG3e )
assbot: contracthashtool/contracthashtool.c at master · Blockstream/contracthashtool · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1lFSjhq )
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assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 04:53:47; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "Stone: armine De Soto. You remember him?" << missing a letter, boss.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337076 << the whole substance of ali g interviews is made of two things. the lesser one is, libertards simply not understanding their dreamworld is not related to the actual world. the much better one however is libertard niggers fully aware of the difference, which is after all what they plan to feed on, but figuring they're so very fucking smart they'll be ok with this
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 04:59:59; pete_dushenski: (the ali g - trump interview is disappointing. trump knows bullshit when he sees it, walks out.)
mircea_popescu: guy, they got what it takes.
mircea_popescu: this later sort is also the sort that tlp discusses,
mircea_popescu: <Since we're already knee deep in race: back when I lived in various bars in NYC, I frequently saw what I assume to be intelligent people allow what I assume to be dangerous black males come up to them at 2 am and ask them if they knew "the way to get to 44th St." Just for my Danish and German readers who generously donate, here's a geography lesson: Manhattan is a grid, in numerical order. Asking a New Yorker which
mircea_popescu: way is 44th St. is like asking a Florida orange farmer which way is sky. But these white devils were willing to put their lives at risk-- not because they didn't want to appear racist, I saw the same hypnotized compliance when the perp was a white guy-- but because they are amateur lawyers: "he didn't do anything bad to me first." So we follow the script: guy asks for directions= "ten blocks up make a left." Guy pu
mircea_popescu: lls a gun= "look, I have 50 bucks, just don't hurt me.">
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337104 << and why would they bother ? no "tech" outside of winning ww2 could ever produce the sort of aberrant, abhorent spending on their dumbass. not cold fusion, not finding venus inhabited by a bunch of sultry sluts and caging the lot.
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 05:12:26; mitch_callahan: i just feel there is this huge generational gap. it doesn't matter what tech i talk about, but "boomers" or whatever will never comprehend most of it.
mircea_popescu: as far as generation shitheads is concerned, the world ain't enough.
mircea_popescu: they just want to.
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 05:24:23; pete_dushenski: well 1. uber isn't about the experience, it's about the medallions, and 2. who says there are lost customers from not changing your website from web 2.0 to web 1.0 ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337138 << trilema never made a "mobile experience" and you can't beat it for rankings.
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 05:35:54; mitch_callahan: but, you'd be surprised man. imagine companies in which the majority of their leads come from online, and they're not interested in making a mobile experience. consequently, their search engine ranking drops and their leads get cut in half.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 :: 17.94 B (15%) on Yes, 104.78 B (85%) on No | closing in 1 week 4 days | weight: 36`910 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mc4SHV )
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 394.01, Best ask: 394.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 394.22, 24 hour volume: 63343.49794151, 24 hour low: 373.29, 24 hour high: 407.57, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.0004791 = 9.4383 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337200 << you don't understand the drivers involved. what will drive "self-driving" car adoption is not whether it objectively is better driven or not. nobody gives a shit about that.
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 05:57:00; pete_dushenski: pretty good isn't good enough !
mircea_popescu: instead, what will drive it is the fact that if it isn't driven by humans, then there's no one to blame!
mircea_popescu: and if you get run over you can sue the company!111
mircea_popescu: this is the ideal morality for shithead generation : a) no ONE is to blame, and b) you ask "a representative of God himself" for "the whole world".
assbot: The Rainmaker on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1m5bth9 )
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2015 03:22:43; mircea_popescu: \but smoking is not, just like sitting like a man is not ok. because one's "intentional" and the other "intentional-once-removed" and so one correlates with the bad gender.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:58:40; mircea_popescu: mod6 amusingly enough, the itnernal logic of all this is that sitting lkike a man IS A BEHAVIOUR, see. up to you. whereas being fat like a woman is NOT to the same degree a behaviour.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5405 @ 0.00047469 = 2.5657 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00047845 = 13.6358 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00047273 = 26.7565 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34163 @ 0.00048062 = 16.4194 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: !up rmoen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132837 @ 0.00048448 = 64.3569 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337214 << better than visual, that's for sure. ultrasound and radar works fine even at times the planes can't actually fly/land
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 05:59:48; pete_dushenski: how are all those sensors going to work when your car's dirty, when it's snowing, when it's hailing, etc.
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 06:14:11; assbot: Kalin And Myles - Trampoline - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ob1s8B )
mircea_popescu: da fuck, where's all the medical rap.
mircea_popescu: great fucking words in that profession!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337287 <<< i actually produced a coupla, many moons ago.
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 06:48:32; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "the judge became an exceedeed housewife" << with all this extra 'e' kicking around you could be a raver !
deedbot-: [Trilema] Gender politics and the war on will. - http://trilema.com/2015/gender-politics-and-the-war-on-will/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00048619 = 3.6464 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: mircea_popescu day at a time i suppose
mircea_popescu: the lasting influence of argentina... now i want my breakfast sandwich ranchero
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41585 @ 0.00048713 = 20.2573 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Had to get away that bad?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00048058 = 18.262 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: Last message gave me the impression you were already out of Argentina
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.0004872 = 10.2068 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.0004872 = 8.6478 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32411 @ 0.00048405 = 15.6885 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.0004802 = 5.5703 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Gender politics and the war on will. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzmYb4 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32685 @ 0.00048723 = 15.9251 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.0004815 = 20.5601 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55500 @ 0.00047976 = 26.6267 BTC [-] {5}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 24.99980000 BTC on 'No' - Cardano to Ship in 2015 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/cardano-to-ship-in-2015/#b18
nubbins`: chomp chomp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00047692 = 8.5369 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 06:19:29; ben_vulpes: https://vimeo.com/147767325
mitch_callahan: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337366 << yes, but should there be a clone of Trilema, all other things equal, the mobile one will rank better. in this case, the person was selling a product, of which they were the first result. it didn't take long after "mobilegeddon" for them to move to page 2. i'm guessing they're on page 3 now. meanwhile, some guy who added some viewport tags takes the cake.
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 14:05:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337138 << trilema never made a "mobile experience" and you can't beat it for rankings.
mod6: asciilifeform ascii_field: I've built 'rotor+TEST2' while logging output via `script`. I was able to capture all of the required deps from the log. The only thing that was missing from the list was the hash (easily remidied) for the linux-kernel. But it interestingly wasn't output like the others. http://dpaste.com/2RWBT14.txt
mod6: I think this is a good start for a list of whats required for buildroot -- these packages are normally pulled down into 'buildroot-2015.05/dl/'
BingoBoingo: mitch_callahan: What's wrong with "desktop experience" and "mobile experience" happening with the same page served to both users?
mod6: Let me know if I'm missing anything here. Going to see if I can just change the package's .mk file so that it points to somewhere in the foundation's web directory to pull the packages, instead of where ever is specified.
mod6: for instance:
mod6: grep "_SITE" rotor/buildroot-2015.05/package/gmp/gmp.mk
mod6: GMP_SITE = $(BR2_GNU_MIRROR)/gmp
mitch_callahan: BingoBoingo - nothing wrong with same page being served, that's ideal. in this case, I knew the lack of a mobile layout would cause their rankings to go down, which it did.
mod6: would change GMP_SITE = $(BITCOIN_FOUNDATION_MIRROR)/gmp or something...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22973 @ 0.00048254 = 11.0854 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10605 @ 0.00048529 = 5.1465 BTC [+]
mod6: some may notice another interesting thing about the buildroot package hashes (from the above dpaste): many of them differe on algo type. MD5/SHA1/SHA256/SHA512
mod6: ... just throwing that out there.
mircea_popescu: mitch_callahan not terribly sure of that theory.
mircea_popescu: mod6 md5 eh ?
mod6: yeah, im pretty sure that I ran into one that was MD5
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
mod6 looks again
gribble: Current Blocks: 387039 | Current Difficulty: 7.272278064254718E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 387071 | Next Difficulty In: 32 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 hours, 29 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mod6: grep "busybox-1.23.2.tar.bz2: OK" typescript
mod6: busybox-1.23.2.tar.bz2: OK (md5: 7925683d7dd105aabe9b6b618d48cc73)
mod6: busybox-1.23.2.tar.bz2: OK (sha1: 7f37193cb249f27630e0b2a2c6c9bbb7b1d24c16)
mod6: ah, that's right. busybox pacakge spit out both md5 and sha1
mircea_popescu: busybox seems a prime target for tardification, btw.
mod6: *nod*
mircea_popescu: we should prolly keep snapshots.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42050 @ 0.00048444 = 20.3707 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - BTC price to rise above PM price of 1oz of gold before Oct 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1235/btc-price-to-rise-above-pm-price-of/#b3
mod6: I think I'm just being dense here, but let's talk about that for a second. Snapshots as in, we make our own busybox package from a previously unrolled/extracted package that we've verified?
mod6: Or... what are the specifics there?
mircea_popescu: consider the situation with the previous turdified victims. what'd happen to bitcoin if nobody had a 0.5 copy ?
mircea_popescu: what'd be the use of pgp if nobody had an 1.x branch package ?
mircea_popescu: same thing prolly coming to busybox
mod6: so just keep/maintain a repository of these packages
mircea_popescu: yeah, keep a known-good copy around
mod6: aha. gotcha.
mircea_popescu is not really using busybox so won't prolly have one in the future.
mod6: So the current plan, subject to change, is that I'll get these packages, create a web-repository of them with clearsigned hash files and signature files that can and should be mirrored.
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, seeing how it keeps getting pulled into things maybe it's worth making an official busybox
mod6: ahh. ok.
mod6: yeah, we can certainly do that. i still sort of feel like bitcoin is going to get it's own OS.
mircea_popescu: you're guaranteed to discover unsavory contents in all foss matter, exactly like asciilifeform found in gpg.
mod6: *nod*
mod6: further, if bitcoin does indeed get it's own os, we may not need to worry about busybox... but until then (which could be a while), yeah.
mod6: *its
mod6: good thoughts. i appreciate it.
BingoBoingo just stumpled into a lollercoaster
mircea_popescu: busybox is not terribad, unlike most everything else.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10540 @ 0.00048522 = 5.1142 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337479 << actually it's pretty bad. the 'right thing' to do would be something like xv6, see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-11-2015#1319336
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 18:26:45; mircea_popescu: busybox is not terribad, unlike most everything else.
assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 21:06:34; asciilifeform: for anybody else who is considering an evening of playing with xv6, some notes:
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337465 << i personally am not aware of a 'known good' version.
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 18:19:11; mircea_popescu: yeah, keep a known-good copy around
ascii_field: busybox is a long-time target for the tardray cannon on account of being used in virtually every single router or otherwise konsooomer-crud networking product on the planet
BingoBoingo: "I'm watching it a bit time-delayed (streaming sucked,) but I think the guy that spoke after Peter Todd made a good point that some sort of moderate action is advisable simply to avoid the XT schism. I don't know how threatening XT actually is, but if just increasing the blocksize to 2 or 8MB now would avoid a split fork then that in itself might be a good enough reason to do so." -Social Engineer
ascii_field: however i am also not aware of any usable immediate replacement for busybox.
ascii_field: which makes it quite like every other example of this kind of thing we've dealt with.
ascii_field: 'increasing the blocksize to 2 or 8MB now would avoid a split fork' << wai wut??!
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: It's social engineering weekend
ascii_field: i mean, what kind of dope does one need to take for this to make even scam-sense ?
ascii_field: (forget about actual sense)
BingoBoingo: Honest idiots aren't this nonsensical. It must be agents of Socialism
ascii_field: agents of dropped-as-a-baby
punkman: don't the suckless folks have a replacement for busybox tools?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00048602 = 20.1698 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: punkman: not... exactly:
assbot: sinit - suckless init ... ( http://bit.ly/1lGKJ6b )
ascii_field: There are 3 signals that sinit will act on. SIGUSR1: powers off the machine. SIGINT: reboots the machine (or alternatively via ctrl-alt-del). SIGCHLD: reap children
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> agents of dropped-as-a-baby << dropped as baby tends to lead to honest idiocy, not reimagineer how the world works wishdiocy
ascii_field: it is 'replacement' in the same sense as a penny is a replacement for a 15 amp edison fuse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94000 @ 0.00048911 = 45.9763 BTC [+] {7}
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: 'fork so that no fork' is honest idiocy in the sense that nobody could possibly begin to process the sentence as something like a proper lie, vs. simple babble
ascii_field: certainly not without heavy dope
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Flip that. It is targeted towards honest idiots who cannot parse it. Was not created by honest idiots, too targeted.
ascii_field: what exactly is the point of targeting the dropped-as-baby crowd ?
BingoBoingo: Building an XT that isn't XT movement. Dropped as baby crowd parrots targeted idiocy. Makes not dropped as baby people question whether world is worth saving much less living in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50064 @ 0.00049029 = 24.5459 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Feeding the dropped as baby crowd greater, targeted idiocies is a form of suicide promotion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00048282 = 5.2145 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00048539 = 7.3779 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00048446 = 2.4465 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.0004854 = 9.3197 BTC [+]
mod6: WARNING: no hash file for linux-3.18.14.tar.xz << ah, found this in that `script` log.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19871 @ 0.00048446 = 9.6267 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00048391 = 3.7261 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32509 @ 0.00048539 = 15.7795 BTC [+] {2}
phf: kakobrekla: phf logs fixed re tabs and newlines << cool everything parses clean now
phf: adlai: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-november-2015-statement/#selection-495.0-495.55 < phf's work or do we already have parallel efforts underway? << parallel effort
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), November 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3RgRw )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25229 @ 0.00048539 = 12.2459 BTC [+] {2}
phf: it sounds like ascii knows exactly what he's doing where's i'm struggling with simply getting all the required elements together. i've gotten as far as reliably reading gpg packets from a tcp stream, but i still have too many open questions. i'm thinking that my attempt is entirely pointless, but i'll continue it as a learning exercise. i publish code in a week or two, so that all can learn how not to write c :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00049021 = 5.6864 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00049026 = 16.2276 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9014 @ 0.00048664 = 4.3866 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32815 @ 0.00048506 = 15.9172 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00048676 = 18.1561 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36243 @ 0.00049056 = 17.7794 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Star Wars Opening Weekend Box office over $175 million - http://bitbet.us/bet/1231/star-wars-opening-weekend-box-office-over-175/#b13
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00049077 = 5.7665 BTC [+]
mod6: !up ben_vulpes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28445 @ 0.00048349 = 13.7529 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35440 @ 0.0004924 = 17.4507 BTC [+] {3}
deedbot-: [Qntra] F2Pool Lashes Out When Called Out For SPV Mining - http://qntra.net/2015/12/f2pool-lashes-out-when-called-out-for-spv-mining/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00048217 = 16.225 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00048242 = 22.7702 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00047897 = 12.9561 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00049189 = 4.2303 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00100000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b47
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 10.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b75
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50400 @ 0.00049228 = 24.8109 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00048879 = 4.228 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00049104 = 6.138 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00049104 = 6.0643 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: [Sun Dec 06 03:13:33 2015] [error] [client 104.137.219.236] client denied by server configuration: /home/trilema/public_html/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php, referer: /wp-content/themes/churchope/lib/downloadlink.php?file=../../../../wp-config.php
mircea_popescu: [Sun Dec 06 03:13:05 2015] [error] [client 206.214.8.249] client denied by server configuration: /home/trilema/public_html/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php, referer: /wp-content/themes/echelon/lib/scripts/dl-skin.php
mircea_popescu: [Sun Dec 06 03:11:28 2015] [error] [client 117.253.218.41] client denied by server configuration: /home/trilema/public_html/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php, referer: /wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=revslider_show_image&img=../wp-config.php
mircea_popescu: [Sun Dec 06 03:11:12 2015] [error] [client 117.253.216.18] client denied by server configuration: /home/trilema/public_html/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php, referer: /
mircea_popescu: if the kids weren't so fucking smart what'd become of the world!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00049104 = 6.9237 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Holy shit! Technical Analysis is real! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qpy3fB )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4026 @ 0.00049104 = 1.9769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29350 @ 0.00048879 = 14.346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00048447 = 8.3813 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44400 @ 0.0004914 = 21.8182 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57245 @ 0.00049253 = 28.1949 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10197 @ 0.00049304 = 5.0275 BTC [+] {2}
liquidassets: On the perfect ponzi, "you kinda complete the loop and bring it all the way down to the purchase" - Josh Garza
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00048445 = 6.8065 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Rare New York Times front-page editorial urging gun control draws praise, ire - Trending - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1YSQxYQ )
nubbins`: lewell
nubbins`: "Conservative blogger shows his anger over article by shooting bullets into it"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26739 @ 0.00047996 = 12.8337 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98800 @ 0.00048347 = 47.7668 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109900 @ 0.00048501 = 53.3026 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44821 @ 0.00047789 = 21.4195 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5263 @ 0.00047789 = 2.5151 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21487 @ 0.00047788 = 10.2682 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51009 @ 0.00048697 = 24.8399 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55200 @ 0.00048754 = 26.9122 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30414 @ 0.00048517 = 14.756 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00048179 = 24.8604 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/r4owdc2.png << the mantises i was talking about a coupla days ago
BingoBoingo: Who needs signatures when you have "witnesses" https://archive.is/kkGjj
assbot: multiple new BIP proposals coming up on day 2 of scaling bitcoin HK : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQ99a0 )
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Were you still writing up something on the Tesla emissions scandal?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !up sinner-
herbijudlestoids: hello hello hello
herbijudlestoids: i was in the neighbourhood and thought id drop in
herbijudlestoids: hows life, assets!
ben_vulpes: heya herbi
BingoBoingo: Life is not as bad as your connection
ben_vulpes: what is this neighborhood anyways
phf: franky fingers says those transactions are fine, capiche
mircea_popescu: i get lost in there.
mircea_popescu: started looking for an article which essentially consists of a picture of a derpy kid in a very messy room (includes an oirange traffic cone) with various "busioness" and "internet tough guy" captions
mircea_popescu: anyone recall what the fuck i titled it ?
ben_vulpes: even vexual remembers herbi
BingoBoingo: ;;google trilema traffic cone internet tough guy
danielpbarron: price per american press"
danielpbarron: prometheus including haught holy horrors see below
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron saywut ?
danielpbarron: from that vocabulary.txt
ben_vulpes: more stego'd private keys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125650 @ 0.00047674 = 59.9024 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51000 @ 0.0004866 = 24.8166 BTC [+] {4}
deedbot-: [Trilema] Internoc24 LLC aka internoc24.com is a scam, or how Milan & Dragan Slatjovic stole ~700 euro from me. - http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/
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