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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337617 << now iirc mircea_popescu was trying out firms specializing in 'bulletproof' l337 sp4mz0r hosting. so i for one am not the least bit surprised that they kept his money
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 04:56:14; deedbot-: [Trilema] Internoc24 LLC aka internoc24.com is a scam, or how Milan & Dragan Slatjovic stole ~700 euro from me. - http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/
ascii_field: not that there is any alternative to this, mind you
ascii_field: (if i knew of one, i'd have a motherfucking box)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31642 @ 0.00047766 = 15.1141 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Brutality of 1994 Panama fight still resonates with U.S. troops - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1XO6FO0 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wut ?
mircea_popescu: lmao. us soldiers "were just trying to get college loans and dental", didn't sign up to actually fight.
mircea_popescu: and WHAT IS THIS BULLYING! VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70705 @ 0.0004831 = 34.1576 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62100 @ 0.00048685 = 30.2334 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107900 @ 0.00048833 = 52.6908 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: "Less than half of Amerine’s platoon was healthy enough to participate, but this time they were armed with shotguns and tear gas, and they moved in at 3 a.m. Things went off without a hitch." << For the record this is now US policia SOP
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b4
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assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 04:56:14; deedbot-: [Trilema] Internoc24 LLC aka internoc24.com is a scam, or how Milan & Dragan Slatjovic stole ~700 euro from me. - http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17034 @ 0.00048974 = 8.3422 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15742 @ 0.0004881 = 7.6837 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42014 @ 0.00048748 = 20.481 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski ty, and how do you plan to prepare Saddam for Canadian Winter?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: How do the Fender Flags handle in the snow?
deedbot-: [Qntra] Tesla Mimicks VW In Own Nitrous Oxide Scandal - http://qntra.net/2015/12/tesla-mimicks-vw-in-own-nitrous-oxide-scandal/
punkman: "We implement segregated witness right now, soon. What we do is discount the witness data by 75% for block size. So this enables us to say we allow 4x as many signatures in the chain. What this normally corresponds to, with a difficult transaction load, this is around 75% capacity increase for transactions that choose to use it. Another way of looking at it, is that we raise the block size
punkman: to 4 MB for the witness part, but the non-witness has same size. The reason for doing the discount, last slide, the reason for doing this discount is that it disincentivizes UTXO impact. A signature that doesn't go into the UTXO set, can be pruned."
punkman: they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they?
punkman: http://qntra.net/2015/12/f2pool-lashes-out-when-called-out-for-spv-mining/ "This guy leaked our IP addresses to the public, I pm him kindly and begged him to remove them but he refused. If we ever got DDoSed due to his post, we have no choices but point our domains to his pool."
assbot: F2Pool Lashes Out When Called Out For SPV Mining | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4qYCF )
punkman: ah the lulz
BingoBoingo: <punkman> they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they? << Yes
BingoBoingo: punkman: I'm just happy Qntra already had a Discus Fish from an earlier story
punkman: tried their livestream yesterday, audio must have been recorded through $1 microphone in someone's pocket
BingoBoingo: Well last time they could afford a microphone was when they sold their BTC at $5 per and got out
punkman: "President Obama's former Deputy Press Secretary joins BitFury as new Chief Communications Officer: "Why I believe in the Blockchain and Why You Should Too""
punkman: I thought bitfury hadn't yet joined the "Blockchain" derps
punkman: !s bitfury
assbot: 315 results for 'bitfury' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitfury
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55242 @ 0.00048287 = 26.6747 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: "Imagine a world where people can send money as easily as we send emails" << yeah sending email is such a joy these days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75208 @ 0.00047948 = 36.0607 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52697 @ 0.00048367 = 25.488 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: The internet's premier fitness community strikes again https://archive.is/Bq5aY
assbot: Injecting HCG directly into penis for dick gains? (Study inside) : steroids ... ( http://bit.ly/1POUmNb )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7712 @ 0.00048938 = 3.7741 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Desperately trying to put the “auto” back into automobile in a flaccid attempt to put the relevance back into motoring. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/07/desperately-trying-to-put-the-auto-back-into-automobile-in-a-flaccid-attempt-to-put-the-relevance-back-into-motoring/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00048942 = 10.1799 BTC [+] {5}
punkman: "Visitors to the fair were reportedly confused by the stabbing, mistaking it for performance art. The area was quickly marked off with police tape, which some people seem to have thought was part of the installation."
assbot: Woman Stabbed at Art Basel in Miami Beach - artnet News ... ( http://bit.ly/1PP07dH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49042 @ 0.000488 = 23.9325 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15758 @ 0.00047913 = 7.5501 BTC [-] {2}
davout: !up gmaxwell
davout: !up gmaxwell
gmaxwell: Mildly amusing: http://bitcoinocracy.com/arguments/bip101-is-better-than-bip100 I'm surprised that the 101 supporters have more than 1kbtc to their names.
assbot: Bitcoinocracy — BIP101 is better than BIP100 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PP2A86 )
davout: gmaxwell: curious how that thing behaves when funds move from signing addresses
BingoBoingo: gmaxwell: Well, you gotta figure if you have dollars and want to undermine bitcoin security at some point you're going to pick up some bitcoin.
gmaxwell: davout: I think it's supposted to forget them but I think it doesn't currently, based on some of the traffic on its issue trackers.
gmaxwell: as there is a bug for "background update" or something
BingoBoingo: Anyways, it is still early in history. There can still be idiots out there with 4 digit BTC, though not too many.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49450 @ 0.00048998 = 24.2295 BTC [+] {2}
davout: i know folks with 4-digit btc that also 'invested' in ethereum...
BingoBoingo: Not to mention the "Industry" BIP 101 supporters who can sign with "other people's" BTC
davout: well, if they have the keys...
gmaxwell: Yea, I'm anticipating that one; though it would require them to figure out how to signmessage. :P
gmaxwell: a lot of "industry" is using third party APIs to control their coins...
davout: i doubt that
gmaxwell: I don't feel bad that you doubt it, I wouldn't have believed it if I'd not seen it myself. It does make a lot of things make more sense.
BingoBoingo: Coinbase and ButtPay are still derping along with Other People's Money
BingoBoingo still finding the "Jim Crow Signature Witness" thing extraordinarily disturbing
gmaxwell: Ah, looks like main source of the pro 101 funds is satoshibones.
fluffypony: [11:03:56] <+davout>i know folks with 4-digit btc that also 'invested' in ethereum... <- a fool and his money...
gmaxwell: 4-digit btc would have been like ...all of the ethereum presale, no?
punkman: didn't they get like 30k btc?
davout: i did not say 'all'
gmaxwell: fluffypony: well, customers of a gambling site... probably the case most excusable to use customer funds to support 101.
gmaxwell: (derps probably all support 101 too. :) )
punkman: 100btc worth of ETH at launch, still worth 400btc now. wonder how this will turn out https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/
assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (34%) on Yes, 142.49 B (66%) on No | closed 5 days 9 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00048191 = 21.0113 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16848 @ 0.00048191 = 8.1192 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: OpenALPR - Automatic License Plate Recognition ... ( http://bit.ly/1TRXBC9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86019 @ 0.00048297 = 41.5446 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: XSA-156 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1m6wRmh )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9336 @ 0.00048297 = 4.509 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100020 @ 0.00047821 = 47.8306 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5530 @ 0.00047618 = 2.6333 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132501 @ 0.00047974 = 63.566 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.0004826 = 12.5476 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14568 @ 0.00047974 = 6.9889 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00047814 = 43.0804 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43532 @ 0.00047891 = 20.8479 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36197 @ 0.00047902 = 17.3391 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337681 <-- thanks for linking bitcoinocracy, it looks nice.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 09:02:03; gmaxwell: davout: I think it's supposted to forget them but I think it doesn't currently, based on some of the traffic on its issue trackers.
funkenstein_: Unspent outputs should form the basis rather than addresses, so that coin is free to move without changing tally
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27203 @ 0.00047866 = 13.021 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: some more considerations if interested: http://frass.woodcoin.org/introducing-coin-vote/
assbot: Introducing Coin-Vote | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1YTSxzZ )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110829 @ 0.00048469 = 53.7177 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98373 @ 0.0004836 = 47.5732 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.00048003 = 30.0979 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34746 @ 0.00048003 = 16.6791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63975 @ 0.00049051 = 31.3804 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6342 @ 0.00048099 = 3.0504 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86180 @ 0.00047528 = 40.9596 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up leftbase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00047558 = 6.8008 BTC [+]
nubbins`: so i had a darknet vendor try to scam me
mircea_popescu: did peterl's analysis service save you ?
nubbins`: naw, a mod gave me my money back :/
nubbins`: mildly surprised at this
nubbins`: maybe the first time i've had an escrowed deal fall apart
mircea_popescu: he tried to scam you in spite of escrow ?
nubbins`: seems inconceivable, but yes.
mircea_popescu: they just get dumber and dumber, huh.
nubbins`: pkg marked shipped nov 5th
nubbins`: now, truthfully, i know why this happened
nubbins`: there was a peak in btc price around nov 5, when i placed order
nubbins`: vendor prob thought he'd get less $ than he deserved by the time money cleared escrow
nubbins`: so he just never sent anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00047891 = 47.7952 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: and marked it shipped just in case he needs extra points with mod ?
nubbins`: yep.
nubbins`: mod ("OxyMonster", lel) was unimpressed
mircea_popescu: o look, somebody got butthurt at trilema, and figured ddos totally is going to do something! this time!
mircea_popescu: i wonder what could have it been! this time!
mircea_popescu: i see your bitchez and raise you a public servant. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll98dyvViD1qeezkyo1_1280.png
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 07:24:31; deedbot-: [Qntra] Tesla Mimicks VW In Own Nitrous Oxide Scandal - http://qntra.net/2015/12/tesla-mimicks-vw-in-own-nitrous-oxide-scandal/
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337647 << it's very dubious this actually does anything above and beyond allowing a bunch of doofuses to claim they're doing things in an academia-convincing manner.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 07:36:34; punkman: they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they?
mircea_popescu: haskell is a few steps down this road, and i hope the participants have fun.
mircea_popescu: if you look at things, something like this was unavoidable. there's a lot of people who wish to "participate" in a very peculiar ustardian manner, which is why the peculiar ustarded flavour of academia was invented in the first place.
mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled "the things stupid people do".
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337660 << well, imagine! google owning it, and holding everyone at ransom over it! while lying about it, and random street-level derp having no fucking clue about it.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 07:58:25; punkman: "Imagine a world where people can send money as easily as we send emails" << yeah sending email is such a joy these days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22303 @ 0.00049074 = 10.945 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38097 @ 0.00049091 = 18.7022 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I don't understand how there isn't more research into actual dick growth drugs. It seems like it would be profitable if condoned by the FDA." << it'd be totally profitable, but fda has nothing to do with it.
mircea_popescu: imagine, if kfc sold penis-obesity burgers!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337689 << this is actually par for the course for every usg-powered outfit out there.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 09:05:04; gmaxwell: a lot of "industry" is using third party APIs to control their coins...
mircea_popescu: they do this with their shares, why wouldn't do this with their other assets. the monster is what it is in all its parts, not just the tail.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 12:11:21; funkenstein_: Unspent outputs should form the basis rather than addresses, so that coin is free to move without changing tally
adlai: lets you print ballots for tx fees, incentivize gracious donations to block makers
adlai: if we're gonna have an election, at least make it a spectacle worth watching!
mircea_popescu: doh. so if i run a miner that has $days_left % of total hash output, i can freely vote an infinity of coins. because whatever, i just fill a block with an endless chain of votes and i'm going to eventually mine it into a block.
adlai: you'd still have a finite proportion of the network, other miners could print votes for themselves, or just process transactions normally, business as usual, which still lets others print their own ballots
adlai: fees race up as you fight over block space, price moons, democracy wins
mircea_popescu: basically the only way this thing can pretend to exist is if nobody gives a shit, and for as long as nobody does.
mircea_popescu: like so many other things "in" bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63400 @ 0.00049104 = 31.1319 BTC [+] {4}
adlai: hmm i'd phrase it the other way around. if nobody gives a shit about "vote" results, nobody has incentive to attack it. if people pay attention to elections, they get attacked, but the attack makes it seem that more money cared - because it did
mircea_popescu: yes. so the illusion that "this car made out of cardboard is road worthy" can be maintained for as long as nobody takes it on the road.
adlai: ah, i don't think such elections will effect the decision-making process of people who understand the system. this doesn't prevent the fee-donating competition from occurring
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51052 @ 0.00049156 = 25.0951 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2474 @ 0.00049248 = 1.2184 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i suppose it is the duty of informed people to allow the uninformed to donate any resources they might unwarrantedly have acquired.
mircea_popescu: reduces trouble potential down the road.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91052 @ 0.00048658 = 44.3041 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: hmm i bought a bunch of shit at the homebrew shop yesterday, and one of the items rang in as $0.00
nubbins`: man, the canadian dollar slipping to its lowest point since 2004 is really making the btc/cad exchange rate look good
assbot: Judge Jeanine: 'Get A Gun. Get It Legally. Learn How To Shoot It And Be Primed To Use It' - Fox Nation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBgI2v )
nubbins`: GEEEYE A GAUUAHN
nubbins`: GEEYET IT LEEGULLY
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15829 @ 0.00047464 = 7.5131 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: death of a thousand lels
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90671 @ 0.00047456 = 43.0288 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i wonder what would've happened if the san bernardino goofs had gotten guns, gotten them legally, learned how to shoot them, and been primed to use them
nubbins`: o wait
nubbins`: also, the word "radicalized" has been media-ified into absurdity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55418 @ 0.00047857 = 26.5214 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.00048214 = 38.0891 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Pls critique my code style : shittyprogramming ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6oGPs )
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b9
nubbins`: i had a coworker once that wrote a 500-line function for manipulating arrays
nubbins`: her variable choices were "result1", "line3", "thisRow2" etc
nubbins`: hey phf
nubbins`: you did up the eulora homebrew tap?
thestringpuller: dat brew
thestringpuller: i hate packaging things for mac
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.61, Best ask: 399.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 399.68, 24 hour volume: 38665.44974803, 24 hour low: 384.53, 24 hour high: 404.24, 24 hour vwap: None
thestringpuller: jurov: apparently the transferwise CEO is anti-bitcoin? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YZt-sEOi_w
thestringpuller: or at least ill-informed
nubbins`: think it was a git issue. progress
nubbins`: checking whether the C++ compiler works... no
nubbins`: lel nvm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89687 @ 0.00048215 = 43.2426 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
thestringpuller: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
thestringpuller: Well not from this location
nubbins`: nor this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54500 @ 0.00048887 = 26.6434 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: Woman who has never felt pain experiences it for the first time | New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1NR9oSi )
nubbins`: not being able to feel pain is actually a fairly serious condition
nubbins`: most people end up disfigured by late childhood
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42163 @ 0.00048924 = 20.6278 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00049083 = 13.0806 BTC [+] {2}
phf: nubbins`: I have another bug report with 10.11, but this one's just odd. I'll check it out tonight
nubbins`: phf which gcc you using?
nubbins`: i've tried 4.9, 5.3; mp thinks maybe you targeted llvm?
phf: llvm/clang
nubbins`: lol k
nubbins`: don't check out anything yet
nubbins`: i symlinked gcc-4.9 to "gcc" ages ago, so it's trying to use that instead
phf: aaah
mircea_popescu: btw phf you ever gonna log an' get your reward ?
nubbins`: $ ls -la *gcc*
nubbins`: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 41 17 Mar 2015 gcc -> /usr/local/Cellar/gcc/4.9.2_1/bin/gcc-4.9
nubbins`: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 20 Sep 2014 llvm-gcc -> clang
phf: but desc not working? that seems like some brew formula level issue
nubbins`: trying again w clang
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337656 << bitfury has looong since turned to the dark side, dating back at least 1.5 years to kikvadze's cnbc interview in which he advocated for removing 21 mn coin cap. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/26/bitfury-and-private-property-in-the-land-of-the-free/
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 07:55:46; punkman: I thought bitfury hadn't yet joined the "Blockchain" derps
assbot: BitFury and private property in the land of the free. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPMEdT )
nubbins`: phf it seems like it's still not using llvm-clang but its own gcc-5.3
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b5
phf: hmm, its possible i forgot to remove custom gcc call out from cal3d formula, ill have to check once im in front of a real computer
phf: or maybe it's picking up your gcc since you have it installed. homebrew compiler selection algo is all kinds of creative
mircea_popescu: seems the likelier explanation.
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 23:40:58; mircea_popescu: and something for petey... http://40.media.tumblr.com/e9757a9deb4f50a25d868f26f4c3ab1d/tumblr_mvec3nySMa1s6dk4zo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: curve means whore in romanian.
nubbins`: phf yeah symlink city. i did brew remove on all gcc's
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: there we go, woop
nubbins`: cal3d compiled
nubbins`: (this was the step it was hanging on. not outta woods yet)
mircea_popescu: that's almost always the bitch.
nubbins`: iirc cal3d was my hemorrhoid when i was trying to cobble a working osx install
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i can see the connection to 'курва', but is there an etymological link to engl. 'cur' ?
assbot: Oh no! qntra.net is down. // isitup.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPNWpc )
nubbins`: latin curvus, bent
mircea_popescu: it's almost certainly from slavonic "kuruva"
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337641 << basically just proper bridgestone rubber on all four corners.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 07:23:53; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski ty, and how do you plan to prepare Saddam for Canadian Winter?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so i've always had a thing for slavonic whoors it seems ;)
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, in ro cant the superlative accomplishment of thievery is being "old whore".
pete_dushenski likes curvy women, yes, particularly those who elegantly put the 'broad' in broad
pete_dushenski: i think it's compensatory for my lousy upper body frame
nubbins`: oof this cs download is slooooow
nubbins`: FTTD ruins you on patience, i tell ya
nubbins`: fun story, installation guy says "do you want me to terminate the fibre at the pole, or inside the home?
nubbins`: i say "is there an extra cost?" he says "nope" i say "lule, come on in, no need to take off yr boots"
nubbins`: he warned that it's easy to damage the fibre where it enters the house
nubbins`: "what happens if i cut it?"
nubbins`: "we'll come out and fix it for free"
nubbins`: not curvy by any definition
nubbins`: i think the word you seek is "fit"
pete_dushenski: indeed, broad =! curvy, but rather signals the potential therefore once fillie is done being 'athlete'
nubbins`: once they're done being fit
nubbins`: you're a strange man
assbot: Suicide rate in Alberta jumps 30% in wake of mass oilpatch layoffs - Calgary - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPPDD2 )
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 13:32:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337644 << epic. lmao.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: omg. from 10 to 13. whatevershallbedone
pete_dushenski: ok 252 to 327
pete_dushenski: "If the trend continues, Alberta could be on track for 654 suicides this year." << and then next year, a thousand, and the year after that THE WHOLE PROVINCE WILL OFF ITSELF
pete_dushenski: need moar bailouts.
nubbins`: we have bailouts here now?!
nubbins`: fuck the oil sands anyway
nubbins`: the amount of drug addiction brought to NL by oil money is more staggering than the number of suicides in AB
pete_dushenski: !s cheese addiction
assbot: 0 results for 'cheese addiction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cheese+addiction
pete_dushenski: hm, coulda sworn there was something in the logs about cheese being more addictive than crack. or was it cheesecake ?
nubbins`: lol. and wiping your ass after taking a shit is more addictive than cheese
nubbins`: there's a lesson in here about paying labourers $70k/yr
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 16:56:24; nubbins`: lol. and wiping your ass after taking a shit is more addictive than cheese
ascii_field: srsly.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: more like $170k, even $270k
ascii_field: the ultimate addiction, imho, is not-having-meatbags-around
nubbins`: pete_dushenski fair nuf
nubbins`: either way
nubbins`: you give these goofs bags of cash
nubbins`: they go buy big trucks and big houses on credit
nubbins`: oops lul the grease ran out
nubbins`: wat do
pete_dushenski: why a quarter-mn to some 23 yo newfie punk ? BECAUSE THE JOB SUCKS. and literally no one would do it for less
ascii_field: nubbins`: we have legends of this kind of thing here, with lottery players
nubbins`: pete_dushenski the smart newfies took that money and came home with most of it, bought houses etc outright
pete_dushenski: which a chunk did, no doubt
nubbins`: the stunned ones took out leases, blew their money on drugs and gasoline, and are now fucked
pete_dushenski: the dumb ones were fucked to begin with
nubbins`: unfortunately, they're fucked here, not in alberta
pete_dushenski: who cares about dumb bois
nubbins`: people who have to interact with them?
nubbins`: i'd sooner interact with a dummy than with a coke-addicted dummy with $200k of personal debt
pete_dushenski: there are ex 'rig pigs' working farmers market stalls here, nice kids.
nubbins`: one of those dummies prob will not do a home invasion some day when he's broke, one prob will
pete_dushenski: can't stay addicted to blow 4ever, at least not when broke, this too shall pass
ascii_field: nubbins`: what's it take to land that work anyway
nubbins`: pete_dushenski o.O you know what happens when addicts are broke, yes?
pete_dushenski: you shoot them ?
nubbins`: ascii_field year or two of trade school
ascii_field: what's the catch ?
ascii_field: gotta be in the union ?
nubbins`: work sucks
nubbins`: and obv union, sure
ascii_field: all work sucks
nubbins`: some work sucks more than other work
nubbins`: physical labour 18 hours at a time particularly sucks
ascii_field: how many people per square metre in a drill platform ?
pete_dushenski: chain gangs are still a thing ?
nubbins`: ascii_field no idea. too many
ascii_field: ah these must be sea rigs
nubbins`: nah mostly land
ascii_field: then i have nfi what the problem is..
nubbins`: ;;google alberta oil sands
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assbot: Logged on 22-10-2015 22:12:53; mircea_popescu: but in related news, http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-cheese-addictive-drugs-20151022-story.html
pete_dushenski: ;;google contravex alberta oil sands
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nubbins`: <+pete_dushenski> you shoot them ? << so trite
pete_dushenski: so considerate of others !
nubbins`: so imaginaruim of dr dushenskuss
nubbins`: lemme give a rundown
nubbins`: dummies get high paying jobs up in AB
nubbins`: plenty of $$, why not try some coke?
nubbins`: come home, still addicted to coke
nubbins`: this creates demand
nubbins`: then coke dealers start multiplying
nubbins`: then coke /users/ start multiplying
nubbins`: then the money runs out (this happens not all at once)
nubbins`: then the poorest, most addicted turn to theft, robbery, break-ins, etc
nubbins`: then your city is suddenly full of broke addicts
nubbins`: the smarter ones say "i can't get out of this on my own, i need help"
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: at which point they realize oh, there's a 6 month waitlist for help
nubbins`: guess i'll hold up a convenience store instead
ascii_field: and sometimes they find that there is no 'addiction clinic' for breaking addiction to space, clean air, hygiene, and cheese
nubbins`: sure there is, it's called therapy
nubbins`: comes in all shapes and sizes
ascii_field: though i hear mircea_popescu has a broomstick therapy
nubbins`: hmm big fire somewhere nearby
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337929 << substances are substances, hygiene is hygiene
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 16:57:20; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337927 << mega-observation
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: for the purpose of this thought, any particular thing you've grown to like but suddenly cannot afford, is 'addiction'
pete_dushenski: i don't go into withdrawal when forced to use leaves for tp.
ascii_field: just as a small hole in your chest is a hole, whether made by bullet or meteorite
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: afaik cocaine aficionados don't suffer from withdrawal in the usual sense
pete_dushenski: i don't shiver and vomit and want to die from ass-wiping with plants as i would from morphine withdrawal
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i think you're right, which really makes you wonder about the 'addictiveness' of coke
ascii_field: same as that of cheese
ascii_field: or life-without-roommates
ascii_field: or 10,001 other things.
ascii_field: 'this is not life'
pete_dushenski: bingo to cheese...
pete_dushenski: so idiots who wanna rampage because 'no money for cheese' shouldn't be shot ?
nubbins`: "be shot" is trite
ascii_field: why not ?
pete_dushenski: what kind of civil society is this ??
nubbins`: in reality, the addicts who can't find/afford coke don't just stop using
nubbins`: they just switch to prescription drugs.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: sent to gulag, fine
nubbins`: there y'go, that's much less trite
trinque: nubbins` is assuming a big, cozy socialist state to take care of them
nubbins`: worthy of a serious conversation between adults
ascii_field: 'civil society' is just what remains after you fill the gulags
pete_dushenski: a fiver for trying to hold up cheese shop
nubbins`: trinque not so.
trinque: given that he lives in one, this is reasonable
trinque: oh?
nubbins`: such a state does not exist
nubbins`: if you want the government to help you, better not hold yr breath
trinque: dole checks don't show up in canada anymore?
trinque: I understand that they do here
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nubbins`: wtf is a dole check gonna do?
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nubbins`: dole is what, $400-smth a month here?
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nubbins`: should be just about enough to cover, oh, nothing at all
pete_dushenski always reads 'checks' as 'inspections'. it's cheques goddamit !
nubbins`: maybe at one time you could live off dole
nubbins`: but that was before all the cash-heavy oil workers came home & drove property values through the roof
ascii_field: nubbins`: in 'dole countries', the thing is barely enough for scum-life. satan help you if you've tasted human living
trinque: nubbins` │ the smarter ones say "i can't get out of this on my own, i need help" << >> nubbins` │ sure there is, it's called therapy
trinque: this struck me as a socialist perspective.
nubbins`: i didn't say free therapy
trinque: as for the dole, there's always public housing too
pete_dushenski: life's all about expectations
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nubbins`: trinque public housing has a bigger waitlist than addictions help.
nubbins`: also mostly goes to families vs individuals
nubbins`: "but doesn't that encourage the destitute addicts to start queefing out kids?" yes it does.
trinque: the question of what happens to these people only matters under economic and social circumstances which are advantageous to them.
nubbins`: "but won't kids born to addict parents be fucked from the start and stay that way their whole lives?" yep
trinque: I took pete_dushenski's "get shot" as "get fucked/who cares"
trinque: aside drug prohibition what are they going to do to make enough money to matter?
nubbins`: so the "LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" approach?
trinque: aside living among them what do I care what they do to each other?
trinque: yes, no "something must be done" about it
nubbins`: you do live among them, ya fuckin dumbass.
trinque: no, I do not
ascii_field: !s Conde de Alba de Yeltes
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nubbins`: oh, on what planet do you live?
ascii_field: !s in the sewers
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trinque looks out the window
trinque: not a bum in sight
nubbins`: well if you can't see any right now
nubbins`: i guess there aren't any
trinque: if there were no drug prohibition how would that economic process you described work, exactly?
nubbins`: also, equating "drug addict" with "bum" is an exceptionally rudimentary understanding of the world
ascii_field: the little trick is that when you're throwing away people, it helps to make sure that all or most of them actually are garbage
trinque: prohibition drives the price through the roof, which allows the whole thing to sustain itself.
ascii_field: otherwise you get a lenin eventually and get fucked.
nubbins`: trinque if there were no drug prohibition, the world would be a better, safer place
trinque: aside massive govt distortions of the market, stupid tends to die.
trinque: drugs is a prime example
trinque: *are
pete_dushenski: http://www.bsomusic.org/media/728173/main-2015-2016-infographic_1150w.jpg << "Women composers make up less than 2% of all of the music performed." damn those americans are racialist.
nubbins`: treating drug abuse as crime is maybe the dumbest thing i can think of at the moment
pete_dushenski: obama must intervene !
trinque: nubbins`: well certainly
nubbins`: actually, ignoring drug abuse is pretty fuckin stupid too
nubbins`: most govs do one or the other, or both at once
trinque: I'd say "end prohibition" hits it head-on.
trinque: weed prices for example in legalized states are falling all the time
trinque: apply that to the harder stuff; profits subside and those pushing the dope go on to better things
nubbins`: i pay about $250/month directly to criminal gangs
nubbins`: because of prohibition
trinque: spending far less on aspirin I'd imagine
nubbins`: costco has pretty cheap aspirin
nubbins`: now on top of that, you have the idiot cops running around
nubbins`: busting dope pedlars
nubbins`: essentially purchasing the drugs with your tax dollars, and not even using them afterward
ascii_field: don't worry, weed-legalization will free up their hands to bust bitcoin aficionados
nubbins`: seriously, there was a big bust here recently, i calculated that the cops paid something like $4 a gram for the weed they seized.
nubbins`: if the shit was legal, purchasing that same gram would yield the gov $4+ in taxes
nubbins`: but hey, what do i know
nubbins`: it's not like all the black market soft drug money goes directly to hell's angels and vietnamese gangs, oh wait
pete_dushenski: "There's about €3bn of London Club debt "trading" at 15 cents of par last time I checked. If you find Argentine bonds just not exotic enough" << everyone's an investor eh. p2p lending is da footoor !
nubbins`: it's not like buying prohibited dope helps keep coke dealers in business, oh wait
nubbins`: anyway this is turning into generalized griping
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: anyways, once the residual albertabux dry up, newfoundland will go back to being a 'service economy' or whatever it's been since the cod packed up and left. your housing prices will return to the incredibly affordable 'normal' you were used to, and all will be well again until the next time a canadian province has a resource boom and your industrious young men provide the necessary cannon fodder.
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pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: economy, lol.
nubbins`: you've obv never been here
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 16:58:29; pete_dushenski: why a quarter-mn to some 23 yo newfie punk ? BECAUSE THE JOB SUCKS. and literally no one would do it for less
mircea_popescu: talk to teh syrian immigrants.
mircea_popescu: that's what they did back home, anyway.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski all the people whose houses are suddenly worth less than the outstanding mortgages would tend to disagree that "all will be well"
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nubbins`: but hey
nubbins`: don't let me get in the way of your over-9000 triteness
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337965 << if you're looking for something, manning expeditions to the north pole is more your alley.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:02:33; ascii_field: how many people per square metre in a drill platform ?
mircea_popescu: the main thing is being able to sit by oneself for six months in the dark
nubbins`: ^ some can, some can't
nubbins`: that's the other "high pay, shitty work" option for canadians: go up north
nubbins`: i personally would not fare well above the treeline
nubbins`: too barren
nubbins`: super depressing
mircea_popescu: great way to retire imo
nubbins`: people do it
mircea_popescu: way the fuck better than going to florida.
nubbins`: also common for older folks who didn't plan so well for retirement.
nubbins`: move up north for yr last 5 years in the workforce
ascii_field: for eskimo-style retirement
ascii_field: 'i must step outside and may be a while' (tm) (r)
nubbins`: gov literally pays you to live up there
mircea_popescu: as opposed to where, in berlin ?
mircea_popescu: gov literally pays you to live anywhere.
nubbins`: as opposed to southern canada :D
nubbins`: like, "you live north of 60, here is your nothern allowance"
nubbins`: "use it to offset the insanely high cost of goods"
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:10:19; pete_dushenski: i don't go into withdrawal when forced to use leaves for tp.
nubbins`: could keep going but shrug, you get the idea
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338025 << i have no idea what your problem with shooting 'em is, but anyway.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:13:22; nubbins`: worthy of a serious conversation between adults
nubbins`: mircea_popescu practical matters aside, nm
mircea_popescu: i happen to agree : if you happen to be poor and happen to be loud, being shot is the correct policy.
mircea_popescu: it's how i ran my town the only time i ever ran a town, and it's how i intend to run any town i ever run.
mircea_popescu: shooting people certainly a lot more practical than "helping" people.
mircea_popescu: seeing how i've seen shot people with mine own eyes, but helped people i am entirely unsure anyone ever saw.
ascii_field: !s more persuasive than persuasion
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nubbins`: in fairness, if you'd seen more people helped you'd have seen less people shot
mircea_popescu: this sounds like a worse outcome.
nubbins`: depending on your parser
mircea_popescu: but you know that trite happens to be a sort of banal, right ?
mircea_popescu: the only trite thing these days is "helping".
mircea_popescu: done to death. time for some fresh.
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nubbins`: actually pretty much anything pete says falls under the category of trite, too
nubbins`: he's like a mini-mp, but without the circuitous argument skills
whaack: !rate funkenstein_: 2 met in the flesh, has a great blogpost "on chumponomics"
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nubbins`: and i guess the btc wealth
nubbins`: not really sure what pete's pocketbook looks like
ascii_field: like jupiter but without the mass !
nubbins`: AOOOOOO
whaack: !rate funkenstein_ 2 met in the flesh, has a great blogpost "on chumponomics"
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mircea_popescu: whaack link to that ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` iirc he said when i asked him, lemme see
whaack: frass.woodcoin.org/on-chumponomics/
nubbins`: 12 years in catholic school, i'm done with mass 8)
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2015 19:07:55; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu property manager of a small, older commercial building that my father owns. 6 tenants, 100 occupants, fun little project. also manage two residential properties. also manage a small start-up in the construction materials space, we make the first/only/bestest fibreglass composite curtain wall framing. and then there's the little one. le petit monstre...
nubbins`: woodcoin.org?!
nubbins`: WHAT IS THIS
mircea_popescu: this guy got an altcoin
nubbins`: mircea_popescu so he "manages" a couple things for dad?
mircea_popescu: iirc i bought some bitpennies' worth
nubbins` puts more weight on pete's words going forward
mircea_popescu: nubbins` for all you know it's a tax dodge
mircea_popescu has no idea.
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nubbins`: for all i know it's all made up
mircea_popescu: and you're a girl.
trinque: nothing shameful about a family business.
nubbins`: you've seen pictures of my body
mircea_popescu: but for all i know...
ascii_field: trinque: iirc he has a day job, as a health inspector, somewhere
ascii_field: beyond this, i've nfi
nubbins`: trinque nothing remarkable either
mircea_popescu: orly ? why not ?
nubbins`: same reason an inheritance is unremarkable
mircea_popescu: this'd be a fine example of trite.
mircea_popescu: an inheritance was unremarkable. WAS. three centuries ago.
mircea_popescu: today, it's fucking remarkable. means about the same as a dog's pedigree
mircea_popescu: and you wouldn't buy a dog without a pedigree.
nubbins`: remarkable in the sense that saving for the future is remarkable
nubbins`: unremarkable in the sense that any asshole can get a windfall
mircea_popescu: "this guy was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. unlike everyone on the internet, who is here mostly because their mother thought being ugly is enough excuse to fuck drunks.
nubbins`: "pete's so amazing, his dad bequeathed him a suitcase of bills"
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mircea_popescu: all things equal i'd rather deal with someone who comes from sane parents.
trinque: this is a poor person's notion of the wealthy.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu lol my entire generation was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. and they're all fuckups
mircea_popescu: i guess it depends on teh parser.
nubbins`: so much does, hey?
mircea_popescu: but i'm still gonna get you for that circuitous.
nubbins`: gotta catch me first.
nubbins`: this can be accomplished by either speeding up OR slowing down
nubbins`: don't look a gift painting in the brush
nubbins`: ^ parallel universes collapsed as i wrote that
nubbins`: anyway
nubbins`: there's a set of lifestyles that allow one to dick around on irc all day
mircea_popescu: generally known as "non-bum ; non-blue collar"
nubbins`: that's one half
mircea_popescu: tho some people push the bum envelope pretty hard.
nubbins`: the other half is "on welfare"
nubbins`: consider that there are people active in here on a daily basis who are 100% supported by the state, and others who are 100% self-supporting
nubbins`: if you don't work in tech, odds are you're one of the former
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: some of even live in communist shitholes where tech and ~all else is state-supported
mircea_popescu: tech, finance, governance, hey, do you count the usg plants as self-supported or state-supported ?
mircea_popescu: check it out, nubbins` schematic thought naufraged once more on the circuitous beaches of irl.
nubbins`: depends on the parser?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ironically, the "tech and all else is state supported" shithole mostly would be the bay area.
nubbins`: if you're on a computer all day long and you don't /work/ at a computer all day long, chances are you're coasting. either on your own funds or someone else's
mircea_popescu: with a little bit of portland and seattle etc.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im actually on three computers. one of which is mining magical dungbeetles.
mircea_popescu: i consider that work.
nubbins`: me too
mircea_popescu: ironically, my virtual game character made more in november than 50% of earth's population, and most africans.
nubbins`: now suppose instead of mining dung beetles, you're waiting for a tenant to say the radiator's busted in your dad's building
pete_dushenski leaves for few minutes, only to discover that his dad is dead and bequeathed him some paper, that's he's mp-but-no-mp, that he didn't retire from health inspection, and that he's on welfare because not 'in tech'.
pete_dushenski: you guys are wild !
nubbins`: i think your parser is broken
nubbins`: mp-but-no-mp is generous
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ironically, nubbins` retired from tech to do artsy bs, and now has a sweet tooth for anyone daring not be in tech!
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: hey one time i left for an hour and came back to discover that i suffer from depersonalization and am dog-who-identifies-as-cat
nubbins`: really i retired from tech to stave off suicide later in life, but this is splitting hairs
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: whole thing was 'generous'. twas the point ;/
mircea_popescu: in fairness, if i were a woman, and worked my ass off for kink.com throughout my teen years, and then retired to... start my own perfume line,
mircea_popescu: i'd be pretty harsh to all these hussies daring to prance around in like clothes
mircea_popescu: and where's all the cum ?!
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: l0l!
nubbins`: ascii_field i left for 7 weeks and nobody but you wondered about me ;(
nubbins`: hurts.jpg
pete_dushenski: i wondered!
nubbins`: i've been making homebrew
mircea_popescu: the interdweebs can be a harsh mistress!
nubbins`: and published an art book
nubbins`: hand-printed, hand-bound!
ascii_field: eh nubbins` i thought of you!111 every time i papercutted on my ragged bitcoin printout binder
mircea_popescu: nubbins` are you gonna get butthurt if i tell you the thing sucked ?
nubbins`: not rly, i don't value yr opinion on art
nubbins`: go ahead
nubbins`: it's mostly a vehicle for advertising our skills at silkscreen printing
nubbins`: content is mostly irrelevant
nubbins`: one crazy fucker bought 5 copies
mircea_popescu doesn't recall the last time he actually saw a competent draughstman / painter / anything.
nubbins`: i'm an exceptionally competent printer
mircea_popescu: whole lotta doodlers.
mircea_popescu: well printing's an industry not an art!
nubbins`: i'm a technician more than anything
nubbins`: lemme find some close-up photos that will mean absolutely nothing to you
mircea_popescu: actually The Story of Nubbins the Industrious would make a pretty decent book title.
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nubbins`: post #19 if you don't feel like waiting for the jump
mircea_popescu: 20s better
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, they're well printed.
nubbins`: it requires a couple years of abject failure to truly appreciate, but tyvm
mircea_popescu: were these made by hand ?
nubbins`: mix our own inks from scratch too
mircea_popescu: cuz i can see some laser markings
mircea_popescu: do you have any pics of the chisels you used ?
mircea_popescu: aww i'm just kidding.
mircea_popescu: that shit was too funny.
nubbins`: ignore the watermark & url, these are my actual tools
nubbins`: the mirror is for checking.
mircea_popescu: "my factchecking mirror"
nubbins`: gigposters forums are a wealth of info
nubbins`: odd thing to say about a forum
nubbins`: but hey
mircea_popescu: actually unfashionable, prof driven forums are usually ok.
mircea_popescu: the plague starts once bitcoin/experts sexchange/seo/mommy/ what have you default activities of those who really should have been shot in their teen years.
nubbins`: gigposters has "premium membership" ($20/yr) and people get turbo shit-on if they ask too many questions w/o coughing up some funds
nubbins`: oddly... it works.
nubbins`: somewhat related, pix & video of me at work: http://www.gigposters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162207
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nubbins` gives back to the commyoonity
nubbins`: in fact, i feel deeply indebted to the place, as i essentially learned my trade there
mircea_popescu: why not feel deeply indebted to the actual people that taught you ?
mircea_popescu has ~0 anything for "the school", remembers some teachers.
thestringpuller: Cuz football. Or I guess that's just the party schools.
thestringpuller: I have found a correlation to alumni dedication and how "out of control" the partying is at said alma matar.
mircea_popescu: i guess if the sluts were good i'd credit the school more than the individual sluts in question... maybe.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu it's a schelling point, couldn't have found the actual people were it not for the venue
nubbins`: why not pledge fealty to mp instead of TMSRO~
mircea_popescu: this is exactly why the wot exists - to disinhabituate socialists from stealing from the people and giving to "the institution" so that lenin, stalin or whatever other nigger can then steal it.
mircea_popescu: there is no tmsr outside of the nodes in the wot graph
nubbins`: there is no gigposters forum outside of the knowledgeable who post there
mircea_popescu is a little wary of this theory. zuckerberg thinks he owns facebook.
mircea_popescu: what facebook ?
nubbins`: what fb indeed.
nubbins`: a different angle: what better way to encourage indebtedness to me?
nubbins`: tons of noobs out there failing at screenprinting
nubbins`: until they come across my posts
nubbins`: (they still fail but at least know why)
mircea_popescu: so what's the trouble with that ?
nubbins`: no trouble at all
mircea_popescu: remarkably, you do use your name :)
mircea_popescu: some intuition of the whole thing doth exist.
nubbins`: before i commit to this character, am i supposed to be able to change physical features?
nubbins`: clicking things seems not to change avatar
nubbins`: ah k
mircea_popescu: o hey characters huh ?
mircea_popescu: get foxy's bot while at it, it's very useful.
nubbins`: the glow burns me ;/
mircea_popescu: find your way uphill, there's some tables there and a coupla animated fruitboxes
mircea_popescu: ima be over in a minute.
mircea_popescu: fix you up with some tools and assorted junk
thestringpuller: WTF PEOPLE. Arguing "Bitcoin needs to be able to change and evolve" to back your opinion on hard forks is beyond fucktarded.
thestringpuller: I srsly feel like Dave Chappelle up in this bitch. I want to believe people have potential to become actual human beings, but I guess I'm wrong.
nubbins`: i am in / why is everyone black
thestringpuller: you're missing texture data
thestringpuller: and the sky box
kakobrekla: its called african american
mircea_popescu: lol. it's night time~!
nubbins`: ooop there comes the sky!
nubbins` total noob
mircea_popescu: hola cristina
mircea_popescu: btw nubbins` if you want a job i prolly got something for you :D
nubbins`: you quite literally would prob have to walk me through it
nubbins`: !up btcdrak
nubbins`: !up Cristina
Cristina: ahora si puedo ablar jeje
Cristina: <+mircea_popescu> hola hola
mircea_popescu: didja go to the slutwalk ?
nubbins`: i may have to start out with basic things like "how to do anything besides walking around"
mircea_popescu: well prolly should do that in #eulora, and also... don't you enjoy a mystery ? :D
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nubbins`: haha yep
mircea_popescu: eulora has this very pronounced old style adventure quality to it, for the first few hours/days/weeks/we it takews you.
Cristina: que tal todo por a qui?
Cristina: mucho trabajo??
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338114 << i'm agreeing with you dude, thus 'service economy' line. i know full well that nfld had jack all for an economy 15 years ago and will likely be back where it started 15 years hence.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:47:28; nubbins`: you've obv never been here
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338117 << funny, syrians don't seem to much care for -40C
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:48:11; mircea_popescu: talk to teh syrian immigrants.
nubbins`: 15 if we're lucky, 2 if not
nubbins`: we sorta put all our eggs in the oil basket
pete_dushenski: not sure why, but all the syrians who come to canada stay in big cities and stay the fuck away from fort mcmurray
nubbins`: because fort mac is full of fuckin shitty rednecks?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: well, tbf, what other basket was there than oil ?
nubbins`: and it costs $800/mo to rent a hammock in an unheated shed?
nubbins`: pete_dushenski prudence woulda been putting the grease money into something else before it was too late
pete_dushenski was landlord in fort mac during 'good times', knows.
nubbins`: instead, we have muskrat falls
nubbins`: massive boondoggle megaproject already billions over budget
pete_dushenski: muskrat falls ? hydroelectric dam ?
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: eventually, anyway.
nubbins`: power lines running from labrador across the strait to the island
nubbins`: across the fucking long-range fucking mountains
nubbins`: down thru NL and over the water to NS
nubbins`: and then to american markets and beyond
pete_dushenski: well, again, tbf, it's entirely in the nature of mega-projects to go over-budget and past 'expected' timeline for completion
nubbins`: oh sure.
pete_dushenski: pretty sure 95%+ of such projects have these same issues
nubbins`: tbf, if it happens every time, maybe just bump up the numbers from the start
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the last ice age didn't go over budget.
nubbins`: "it's weird, we blow our snowclearing budget by january 5th every year"
nubbins`: i dunno, maybe budget more?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: lol but voters can't handle the truth !
mircea_popescu: it's theft dude.
mircea_popescu: "it's weird, the wevils eat our grain i na week"
nubbins`: voters can't handle much
mircea_popescu: "put more grain in there"
nubbins`: nl politics is weird
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338119 << so... tell 'em to rent. what. "everyone should have house and make profit all teh timez" ? please.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:49:06; nubbins`: pete_dushenski all the people whose houses are suddenly worth less than the outstanding mortgages would tend to disagree that "all will be well"
mircea_popescu: same exact thing happened to the athenian fucking fleet.
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: "it's weird, huh."
nubbins`: "my house is worth 100k and i owe 200k" "so just rent"
pete_dushenski: what. declare bankruptcy, start over.
pete_dushenski: or RENT IN THE FIRST PLACE
nubbins`: yes, or rent in the first place
pete_dushenski: wtf were you doing taking out massive loan when you didn't understand downside risk
pete_dushenski: fuck you and your stupid mother.
nubbins`: well, this, yes.
nubbins`: but telling them to rent after the fact is gibberish
pete_dushenski: ok, they should live on the street after the fact ;/
pete_dushenski: learn a fucking lesson
pete_dushenski: and teach one to their kids
nubbins`: tbf it's not a lesson unless they wanna sell
pete_dushenski: "don't borrow a lot of money unless you're fucking rich"
nubbins`: house worth 100k and you owe 200k? just keep living in it :P
nubbins`: hope you saved yr oil money
nubbins`: "don't borrow a lot of money unless you don't need to" is ok advice
mircea_popescu: kinda the whole point of property being that solvent owners really don't give a shit what other parties think things be "worth".
nubbins`: for someone like me, market value affects property tax, little else
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: i feel sorry for the idjits paying down 200k mortgage for house that will only ever be worth 100k. why not light money on fire ? stay warm, enjoy the show ?
nubbins`: so the mortgage goes up $50/mo. big whoop.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski now you've got empathy?!
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nubbins`: yam what i yam
nubbins`: i actually received a new property assessment in the mail last week
pete_dushenski: so explain to me guy who keeps paying down 200k mortgage on 100k house. does he expect house to one day be worth 200k again ?
nubbins`: pete_dushenski maybe, maybe not. either way, he's gonna spend $12k/year on living space
nubbins`: whether that's paying off a too-high mortgage or paying off someone ELSE'S too-high mortgage is his choice
nubbins`: i feel there's more value in one than the other, ymmv
nubbins`: renting is fine if you wanna work forever
nubbins`: if you'd rather work less as time goes on, well, maybe buy?
nubbins`: put another way, let's say you rent for a year. at the end of the year, what do you have to show for it?
pete_dushenski: ok, let's work the with 'maybe house will never again be worth 200k' condition. why not give 12k to landlord instead of bank ? will landlord not put that money to more practicable and local use, having a higher probability of bettering renter's station ?
nubbins`: probably not, no.
pete_dushenski: oh ? how do you figure ?
pete_dushenski: because i'd see local landlord and caring more about my town than some bank in toronto
pete_dushenski: s/and/as
nubbins`: landlords don't give a red fuck about their towns
nubbins`: in general
nubbins`: besides, how's the landlord buying a new snowblower at Wal-Mart helping the local anything?
pete_dushenski: well, you're a landlord aintcha, don't you care about your town ?
nubbins`: log says i do, yep
nubbins`: but i'm not building community spaces out of my profit either
nubbins`: i'm spending it on my greedy self
pete_dushenski: you're a small time landlord though, and even still i'm sure you don't buy much of anything at usg-megacorp-retail-centre
nubbins`: agreed
pete_dushenski: you probably buy local, neh ?
nubbins`: i try!
pete_dushenski: of course you do !
pete_dushenski: that's my point.
pete_dushenski: that landlords, like yourself, like myself, give a shit about the places they live MORE than the banks from far-off lands.
pete_dushenski: it's not binary, of course, just that we care ~more~
pete_dushenski: this, then, in turn benefits the tenants, our tenants
nubbins`: on the whole, i disagree
nubbins`: i buy local not because i'm a landlord but because i'm not an idiot
nubbins`: most landlords spend all their money at big box stores
nubbins`: where maybe 5-10 cents of every dollar they spend stays in the community
nubbins`: MAYBE
nubbins`: the rest goes to the waltons, or the irvings, or whomever
nubbins`: most landlords around here are more properly called slumlords
nubbins`: and they DGAF about their rentals
nubbins`: or their tenants
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pete_dushenski: mkay. so maybe in halifax, the banks are the warm huggy people who care and the local slumlords and the jerkoffs. what do i know.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 18:06:26; mircea_popescu: an inheritance was unremarkable. WAS. three centuries ago.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338217 << in a sense, yes, those with sane and productive parents are indeed 'lottery winners', the key difference being that, unlike 6/49 winners, the 'lucky' kids have skills and blood-related mentors !!1
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 18:07:06; nubbins`: unremarkable in the sense that any asshole can get a windfall
nubbins`: halifax sux
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338224 << the parents never owned anything. if you didn't pass it down, what the fuck did you do with it ? blow and hookerz ?
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 18:07:55; nubbins`: mircea_popescu lol my entire generation was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. and they're all fuckups
nubbins`: dude i'm 33, the parents are still living
pete_dushenski: "boomer" parents fluked into a historical windfall ~themselves~, like y'know, actual lottery winners. that their kids didn't manage to hold onto a dime of it is par for the course.
pete_dushenski: show me the "boomer echo" kid whose great-grandparents actually owned something and i'll show you a kid who's doing well for himself today.
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nubbins`: my great-grandparents floated over on the Empress of Ireland and lived in a canvas tent in Banff for 5 years
nubbins`: before scrounging enough to build a more permanent home
nubbins`: lotta keefes in the ground out west
nubbins`: and i don't think there were many flukes or windfalls this far east
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pete_dushenski: definitely not as many windfalls in eastern canada as western canada, which is why obviously why some of our ancestors put up with the nightmarish cold and long winter nights :)
assbot: Oh look, we’re back to “record” Chinese capital outflows | FT Alphaville ... ( http://bit.ly/1QrJmE3 )
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assbot: IBM Asks Women In Tech To Hack Hair Dryers, Women Tweet Back To Tell IBM It’s Not The 1950s | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1SK0KTy )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: This War On Math Is Bullshit | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1SK10SI )
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pete_dushenski: @kav_p .@IBM Oh good gosh hack a hairdryer that'll make tech more easy for women to understand! Next time can we hack a delicious baked dinner?
pete_dushenski: ^ i don't see how cooking well is an undesirable skill, but apparently i can't begin to comprehend 'women in tech'
thestringpuller: my desk mate is a woman in tech
pete_dushenski: does she abhor cooking ?
pete_dushenski: then she's perfect for the job !
thestringpuller: I abhor cooking, only because I want immediate gratification when it comes to deliciousness.
thestringpuller: How the fuck.
thestringpuller: ;;google "site:trilema.com lets have fund with paul graham"
gribble: Let's have fun with Paul Graham on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/>; Ycombinator continues to suck, jointly and severally - Mircea Popescu: <http://trilema.com/2013/ycombinator-continues-to-suck-jointly-and-severally/>; You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth. on Trilema - A ...: <http://trilema.com/2015/you- (1 more message)
pete_dushenski recently tried using airbnb to look for apartments in cologne, germany, not only didn't find, but computer KERNEL PANICED just by using their cutting-edge website. fucking. twice.
thestringpuller: ^- guess the investors didn't do their reading
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: 3xpl01t4bl3!1???111?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: (do you have a crash dump or the like ?)
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: or investors read and still figures "hey, there's bigger chumps out there than me! i won't be the last one standing when the music stops! not this guy!"
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: funny how fiat investing has devolved into musical chairs for retards.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: not at hand.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: ya could be sitting on a $100k mac anal hole
pete_dushenski: "you're shitting on a goldmine, trebek! if you had a penis mighter, i'd order a dozen!"
pete_dushenski: "the category is 'the pen is mightier', mr. connery"
ascii_field: tell it to the|rapist
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i had excellent experiences with airbnb 2.5 years ago in croatia. seems like it's gone to pot since then.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: :D
pete_dushenski does a mean connery impression
pete_dushenski: but mean as in good !
thestringpuller: ^- cause canadian?
pete_dushenski: l0l cuz 'classical education'
assbot: The fruits of a classical education. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/21KtqlH )
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: thought about you the other day
thestringpuller: buddy told me that some cops confiscated a Nissan GTR from some local drug dealer
thestringpuller: and so the cops now have a GTR police car...
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: pretty sure this is increasingly common in the states
pete_dushenski: iirc there was a newer corvette (c6?) that suffered a similar fate recently.
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thestringpuller: That's just sad.
pete_dushenski: but hey, if you can't actually afford the cars (a la dubai), how else ?
thestringpuller: I got pulled over going like 60, and the cop was like "I don't want to have to peel you off that guard rail"
thestringpuller: and I was like "D00d you must have failed physics. My car is built to go 80 in mud, and I've tuned it for such. Also this is a straight away"
thestringpuller: "I could easily write you a ticket for going 20 over" "Not without having clocked me. Good luck getting that through court."
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pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: could've also answered, "i could easily shoot you in the stomach, wanna play chicken ?"
pete_dushenski: o hey qntra is back.
thestringpuller: Our county doesn't want a dead nigga scandal.
pete_dushenski: ya, save that for obama !
thestringpuller: Particularly unarmed dead nigga scandal.
assbot: The Bitlove LLC spin on their recent implosion, as presented to their captive audience. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/21KuOVi )
thestringpuller: #blacklivesmatter
thestringpuller: or whatever
kakobrekla: so, bip65 will be active in a day or so now
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla does it matter ?
thestringpuller: apparently if client doesn't implement softfork miners can slip in invalid tx's that the client won't recognize...
thestringpuller: dunno how true this is tho...
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mircea_popescu: so the client won't recognize them. what's the problem ?
mircea_popescu: you're not obligated to accept txn you don't want to accept.
mircea_popescu: "Note, however, that time-based locktime transactions are more or less unseen on the network currently." is the point of interest. currently, and permanently, nobody gives a shit about the entire bondogle eithger way.
mircea_popescu: "Implication for users: GetMedianTimePast() always trails behind the current time, so a transaction locktime set to the present time will be rejected by nodes running this release until the median time moves forward. To compensate, subtract one hour (3,600 seconds) from your locktimes to allow those transactions to be included in mempools at approximately the expected time."
mircea_popescu: translates to "and the dumb shit doesn't even work anyway"
thestringpuller: it never really did. the point of nlock was to hand a transaction over to someone in a "will" like form
thestringpuller: peter todd just really wanted the blockchain to enforce the time limit
thestringpuller: (since before it didn't write nlock tx's to blockchain. they would just sit in mempool)
mircea_popescu: whatever. you can put an arbitrary number in your txn anyway, and usg-time's never going to be anything but an arbitrary number.
mircea_popescu: but i lol at the sort of idiot who actually relies on THIS for their will.
thestringpuller: hence why it never really worked in the first place.
mircea_popescu: of course, they exist about in the numbers "ethereum investors" exist, which is to say purely in the feverish imagination of various "hacker" derps
thestringpuller: "ethereum investors" now reads as M$ to me. since my boss just showed me a beta to use eth on Azure...which makes no sense.
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thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: do you have literature on the yoga you do for the computer?
trinque: ^ along these lines, a standing desk also helps quite a bit.
assbot: Yoga for the Office: Practice While You're at Work ... ( http://bit.ly/21KyHcO )
pete_dushenski: i've actually been out of practice since fatherhood started, was doing a lunch-time session once a week aimed specifically at office/computer jockeys
pete_dushenski: aaaand nov 20 was the last time we cracked 1000 lines in a day.
pete_dushenski: i blame the lack of nubbins` !
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trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337522 << I've pulled the whole set again (including Nov), bundle out shortly.
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 20:00:47; phf: kakobrekla: phf logs fixed re tabs and newlines << cool everything parses clean now
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338056 << notrly. all things being equal, it's much better for kids to grow up in squalour than in "reasonable" conditions.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:22:23; nubbins`: "but won't kids born to addict parents be fucked from the start and stay that way their whole lives?" yep
mircea_popescu: as you say, look at the shit the boomers spawned.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:24:42; ascii_field: the little trick is that when you're throwing away people, it helps to make sure that all or most of them actually are garbage
pete_dushenski off to (another) christmas concert. tis the season !
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338078 << this is a very naive view of price formation. if mere prohibition worked all the usg'd have to do to save the dollar would be to forbid people from owning it.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:24:44; trinque: prohibition drives the price through the roof, which allows the whole thing to sustain itself.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that it's doing exactly that, and in point of fact for a reason very similar to your thinking, nevertheless it has obviously no prayer in hell of working. it's not even wrong, it;s unrelated.
mircea_popescu: drugs were also verboten in communist romania - they didnt' have a price there. you'd have died of hunger with a brick of pure cocaine.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338080 <<< certainly not better, hardly safer. it'd be a pretty bleak feudal crapsack with average lifespans in the 30s and unwilling slave women.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:25:23; nubbins`: trinque if there were no drug prohibition, the world would be a better, safer place
mircea_popescu: of course, the concept of "average" lifespan wouldn't make any intuitive sense, wut do you mean "average".
trinque: how about prohibition of a product that sells itself?
mircea_popescu: what does this mean ?
trinque: in the conversation linked, nubbins was discussing the newfie coke heads. seems like quite a task to stop the massive demand there.
trinque: meanwhile prohibiting the product limits and complicates the supply
mircea_popescu: that may be. but consider the situatuon of real estate. is "housing" a product that "sells itself" ?
mircea_popescu: what is the principal driver of price in real estate ?
mircea_popescu: (here's a hint : imbecile argentines imagine a tiny 1000 sqft apt is worth 150-200k usd, in their shit town. why ? why, because the government's been printing money, and people kept "investing" it, there's about two to five trillion pesos that have to be wiped out of the economy before it can return to working)
trinque: this is what confounds a simple answer to your question.
mircea_popescu: the cost of the blowjob, and of the gram, and of the bed are not a function of how forbidden it is.
mircea_popescu: they're a functrion of how much money ios sloshing around.
mircea_popescu: approach it from the other angle, the demand elasticity. take cokehead with $1000 income and a $1000 drug habit.
mircea_popescu: suppose his income doubles to $2000. is he now going to... save $1000 ?
deedbot-: [Trilema] Further views from Noesunpaispobre - http://trilema.com/2015/further-views-from-noesunpaispobre/
trinque: certainly not
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338086 << it's a good proxy for poverty. which is criminal, fundamentally and essentially criminal. there is no crime that doesn't both spawn from and reduces to "being poor".
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:26:23; nubbins`: treating drug abuse as crime is maybe the dumbest thing i can think of at the moment
mircea_popescu: so my point is, to sum it up : that the prohibition of the drug trade has nothing to do with economics. it is a purely political choice, of trying to enact equality between the poor and the rest. this desperate, doomed nonsense may be ineffectual, painful, difficult, costly or what else have you, boring, whatever. it is nevertheless the ONLY thing that keeps the average lifespan of the not-us from being ~24 ; and the f
mircea_popescu: ate of any female aged ~14 with decent tits and a little bit of length of bone from being forcibly injected.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40924 @ 0.00048303 = 19.7675 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the choices you have before you are the choices you have before you, not the choices you wish to have before you.
mircea_popescu: if drugs aren't illegal walmart is going to force-feed its workforce meth and go through 10x as many poor people.
mircea_popescu: perhaps even feed the employees the previous employees. god knows they did it to the cows, and only stopped because WE complained. not because the cows complained.
mircea_popescu: for all they cared, cow can sit in shit up to the belly and get more antibiotics.
mircea_popescu: and i'm going to ride through detroit atop a tank and shoot tranquilizer guns at anything that can twerk.
trinque: ahaha
trinque: and so the price is because, simply, they will pay it, as the product causes them to compulsively go after the product
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: they have it, see ?
mircea_popescu: what's the cost of a blowjob to the miner with a sackful of gold dust ?
trinque ought to have considered the effectiveness of prohibition, and not simply the idea of it.
mircea_popescu: figure it out, old whore de kirschner and her dumbass puddel scioli figured they'd stay in power on the votes of the poor. the very same fducking poor they prevented from having a life. and it blew up. if only they had meth and heroin on their side!
mircea_popescu: this country is roughly in the situation of the us cca 1815, with one major difference : buenos aires is their new york, yes, the port. but in argentina, 20 of 40 mn live in the port. that's half. in the us, less than 5% lived in the port. the rest went the fuck to ohio and built a farm.
mircea_popescu: but no, they want them here, living in bidonvilles "en la capital", so they keep voting peronistas in exchange for a little flour, so the peronistas can go to europe and borrow "to develop argentina" and then spend to... fuck up argentina.
mircea_popescu: obama won, on the same ticket. what if instead of "obamacare" they could have peddled "free heroin!!1 these mean people want to take it away!"
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 17:33:37; pete_dushenski: "There's about €3bn of London Club debt "trading" at 15 cents of par last time I checked. If you find Argentine bonds just not exotic enough" << everyone's an investor eh. p2p lending is da footoor !
trinque: I see. My line of thinking was that "this expediates the decay of those already rotting, and so what?"
mircea_popescu: that may be the hit of the century, guys bought the shit at 1.5 cents to the dollar, may well see full repayment a decade later.
mircea_popescu: trinque leaves no one no way out, either.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338468 << money. what do you have to show for it ?
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 19:52:37; nubbins`: put another way, let's say you rent for a year. at the end of the year, what do you have to show for it?
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : bills.)
mircea_popescu: and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, if i were a fucktarded argentine borrowing for this, i'd owe ~2.5mn peso principal + 300k or so a year interest + whatever you figure the devaluation risk costs me. over a 30 year period (heh, you gonna work for 30 years ? srsly ?) this comes to at the very least 40k a month. that's just about 2750 dollars.
mircea_popescu: so at the end of each month i got a coupla grand to show for not having been an idiot ; the owner's got some bills.
mircea_popescu: altenratively, if i were a fucktarded bitcoin owner i could have sold no less than 500 btc to pay for it. and in 30 years i'd have a great story about how i sold enough btc to buy nevada to get an apartment in a third world city.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00047736 = 14.7266 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "it ain't like that where i live". obviously it ain't, and you're an idiot for living there in the first place.
mircea_popescu: for this reason. the fundamental incentive to living anywhere is whether you can stick it to the middle class through this mechanism or not. if you can't, they can stew in their own juices and play mahjong or whatever the fuck they play, bingo.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 22:04:45; thestringpuller: How the fuck.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 22:07:52; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: ya could be sitting on a $100k mac anal hole
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27025 @ 0.00048304 = 13.0542 BTC [+]
jurov: they can be sold, but not by alf due to his shining aura of innocence
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338645 << Verily, because if not monetarily poor can afford rehab. Otherwise not poor of spirit/will can rehab before criminal justice system discovers other poverty.
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 23:17:44; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338086 << it's a good proxy for poverty. which is criminal, fundamentally and essentially criminal. there is no crime that doesn't both spawn from and reduces to "being poor".
mircea_popescu: also because plutonium.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 23:48:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338550 << i thought they can't be sold :D
ascii_field: (quite likely some of the folks here- could.)
assbot: Update: Crowder students being released, Neosho campus to remain closed - Joplin Globe: News ... ( http://bit.ly/1lplohu )
BingoBoingo: Fucking Neosho Missouri of all places no one needs to know existed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0004869 = 2.6536 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52726 @ 0.0004872 = 25.6881 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: wha happemned ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33505 @ 0.00048671 = 16.3072 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00048845 = 19.7334 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00048311 = 13.5754 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32366 @ 0.00048837 = 15.8066 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47645 @ 0.0004895 = 23.3222 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.0004895 = 3.2307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47434 @ 0.00048084 = 22.8082 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00048882 = 5.1571 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29672 @ 0.00048883 = 14.5046 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Something happened?
BingoBoingo: Well, something other than the log getting constipated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00048687 = 8.5933 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: buenas noches
ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/07/desperately-trying-to-put-the-auto-back-into-automobile-in-a-flaccid-attempt-to-put-the-relevance-back-into-motoring/ but don't mention lidar or radar to the guy, he won't get it, nor the timescale differences between extremely slow automobiles and extremely fast bugs http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-12-2015#1337389
assbot: Desperately trying to put the “auto” back into automobile in a flaccid attempt to put the relevance back into motoring. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/21Ljto3 )
assbot: Logged on 06-12-2015 15:18:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337214 << better than visual, that's for sure. ultrasound and radar works fine even at times the planes can't actually fly/land
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 16:32:16; phf: or maybe it's picking up your gcc since you have it installed. homebrew compiler selection algo is all kinds of creative
ben_vulpes: most recently, swift failed to ship with an 'either' type
ben_vulpes: implications left as exercise.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3595 @ 0.00048687 = 1.7503 BTC [-] {2}
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