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assbot: cryptome-nov2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhhqBB )
mircea_popescu: !up liquidass_etf
BingoBoingo: !up frankenmint
frankenmint: sweet, is this a temp thing that needs to be set via gpg confirm each time I want voice assigned automatically?
frankenmint: I don't come here often except to lurk
frankenmint: ok right, thanks none the less, how is your evening/morning going?
BingoBoingo: could be worse
BingoBoingo: tired, ill, sober
frankenmint: sounds rough but edgy, sorry I'm the total opposite right now, wish you were the same
frankenmint: awake well and somewhat inebrieated
mircea_popescu: whatcha got, the cock-tail flu BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Garden variety cold it appears, but started in the lungs.
mircea_popescu: a, not so good.
BingoBoingo: Eh, seems to have peaked.
BingoBoingo: Wake up friday, cough hurts more than usual. By bed time Friday upper respiratory chaos.
BingoBoingo: !up Sexygirl
mircea_popescu: what, on the internet ? scam.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo just don't give yourself pneumonia before you get moar kids in the qntra mines!
BingoBoingo: At least I'm not coughing up blood again. That stopped pretty soon after I got on the water wagon.
frankenmint: sorry to hear that going on w/ you BingoBoingo get better soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.0005048 = 22.2869 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and guess where the derp with drm in java figured he'd float up ? yeah, that's right. https://twitter.com/robertjhansen/status/542349213963538433
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/229BH6T << technologee. by idiots, for idiots. sweet jebus already.
assbot: dpaste: 229BH6T ... ( http://bit.ly/1Irg1Db )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
adlai: ;;isup blockchain.info
gribble: blockchain.info is down
jurov: coinbr now shows mkt data.. at least till mpex.ws goes down
jurov: also, i've hacked mempool limit on top of -test2 without any defrag and the node is now live, will see how it ends up
adlai wonders why coinbr doesn't use mpex.coinbr!
jurov: mpex.coinbr runs on top of the official proxies, too
jurov: so not a big advantage
shinohai: jurov: please let us know for sure, I will be glad to do additional testing, etc with your product >.>
jurov: what do you mean?
shinohai: How the mempool hack turns out, if it works well I'd like to try it.
jurov: sure. but i'm also sure if it catches on, will make certain purists VERY angry :)
jurov: ANN: Sorry, CoinBr does not accept new/cancel orders due to MPEx issues. Normal service will resume after this is fixed.
mircea_popescu: jurov which ones don't you see ?
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TePxdK )
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TePyOO )
mircea_popescu: the other two should be coming back today.
jurov: mircea_popescu: they accept orders and cancellation, but don't execute them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00050211 = 2.6612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9698 @ 0.00050089 = 4.8576 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: always one more safety
assbot: Another danger of climate change: Giant flying boulders? - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1lSbBAx )
mircea_popescu: "the man who helped spawn the whole debate" and all teh other avatars of usg wooden tongue in full display.
mircea_popescu: heck, i'm going to write it up.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
jurov: all seems Ok, coinbr enabled
adlai: \o/
adlai: ;;seen wyrdmantis
gribble: wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <wyrdmantis> sure! thanks
assbot: dpaste: 3RBV6HG ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oo3HtH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13998 @ 0.00050647 = 7.0896 BTC [+] {5}
pete_dushenski: "Michael Norton, a psychologist at the Harvard Business School, has found that on average, whites now view discrimination against members of their own race as a larger problem than discrimination against blacks."
pete_dushenski: ""What Trump is tapping into is the mindset of a zero-sum game," Norton said, which he called an "intuitive" way of looking at the economy and society."
pete_dushenski: ""It's hard to imagine that if we're eating a pizza, that adding more people would somehow give us more pizza. It takes a much-longer-term perspective," Norton said."
pete_dushenski: haha mkay. low-class whiteys don't have enough 'long-term perspective' and fear for their own survival in the face of a DIMINISHING trough from which MORE cattle are to eat. and this is what passes for 'harvard research' ?
assbot: I asked psychologists to analyze Trump supporters. This is what I learned. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1YBsJsf )
pete_dushenski: "New York is by no means Mafia-free. But the mob isn’t what it once was, enfeebled by decades of police crackdowns, media attention and old age. The Mafia has been relegated largely to the realm of entertainment, just as Manhattan’s Italian culture has become a tourist attraction."
pete_dushenski: heh. even the mafiosos in american 'go metatard' at some point.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re the eventual republican reimplementation of pgp : other than the -a armored mode, i want it to also have a -w armored mode. in this mode, it should load a list of lines from a file, modulo the message by the line count of that file, replace every numeric unit with the respective line,
pete_dushenski: just how toxic is that place ?
mircea_popescu: meh this is getting too complicated. ima trilema it.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski except it doesn't grow the god damned pizza.
mircea_popescu: adding more people not only reduces the available slices through them eating it,
mircea_popescu: IT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE QUALITY OF THE PIZZA ITSELF.
pete_dushenski: this, trumpists/trumpets deeply grok.
mircea_popescu: the options are either hand-made pizza out of wheat flour with actual anchovies, olives and proper cheese, split in 8
mircea_popescu: or else a slab of wonderbread dipped in palm oil with petrocheese and some fenyl-flavouring split in 32
mircea_popescu: yes, arguably the individual wonderbread slice is slightly larger in some measurement than the pizza slice.
pete_dushenski: in calories !
mircea_popescu: the only problem with this "abundance perspective" being thgat the measure often is something as retarded as "how large the grease spot on the paper is"
mircea_popescu: shit, i never even knew pizza went in paper in the first place.
pete_dushenski: "you need xxxxx calories per day to be happy, so that's what yer gettin' "
mircea_popescu: so said doctor ratched.
pete_dushenski: "and here's a top-up on your Thalidomide 'scrip, we've no evidence of it being bad!"
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-11-2015#1332899 << doesn't fork need hash power (and big users a la mpex!) to back it ? so from whence (other than 21 and bitfoory, which are currently ~25% of network) might usg drum up the necessary support ?
assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 16:33:08; mircea_popescu: anyway, my data seems to suggest that the enemy will be pushing a fork before the decade's out. whether we at that time have a counterfork ready or not is pretty much what decides the fate of the free world.
mircea_popescu: it's complicated.
adlai: nothing stops anybody from mining with hardware they get by any means they deem fit
pete_dushenski: myeah. lol let's just leave it at 'over pete's paygrade' for now.
pete_dushenski: "A customer pulled out a gun and shot and killed an employee at a Waffle House restaurant in Mississippi on Friday after she asked him not to smoke, police said." << "for piiiiiiigleeeeet"
pete_dushenski: ""He pulled out a handgun and shot her in the head," Dobbs said."
adlai: iirc there have already been hashpower heists, not to mention mysterious "lost in tragic mining" incidents
assbot: Investors buying shares in college students: Is this the wave of the future? Purdue University thinks so. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1YBvvha )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: i guess that purdue thing also ties into http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-11-2015#1331962 eh
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 16:33:28; mircea_popescu: but anyway, in proper (ie, macroeconomic) terms, this consideration is the reason, ie the absolute driver, of why society will reorganise into feudalism.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski in fairness i saw this for years in worthless dumbass "artists"
mircea_popescu: trying to sell "shares" in their "future". as if.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/ << re the previous aborted thread.
assbot: The PGP -w mode on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PUEQz6 )
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: for the man who fancies himself an art investor but doesn't have $millions to buy rodin, rembrandt, etc., i could sorta see the temptation
pete_dushenski: "what if this derpy artsy chick is the next big thing"
mircea_popescu: as long as she sucks the cock and you buy her food, who the fuck cares what you call it.
pete_dushenski: "i'll kick myself if i don't buy the collected works of this straight-a's liberal arts student"
mircea_popescu: "monopoly is real life" if you will, who cares.
pete_dushenski: and if 'artist' is boy, not girl, he must find female patron. aha.
deedbot-: [Trilema] The PGP -w mode - http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
mircea_popescu: also, thinking about it, it occurs to me that the model we've been using to think about gossipd is fundamentally broken.
pete_dushenski speculates that williamdunne is now wearing this very wife-beater
pete_dushenski: ;;seen pierre_rochard
gribble: pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 14 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> In any case, a textbook illustration of http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely no reason for gossipd to work on a push model of data transfer.
mircea_popescu: gossipd must work on a pull model. exactly like old ml.
adlai: mircea_popescu: i tried giving archive.is my parola, stupid monster doesn't eat cookies... any ideas?
mircea_popescu: whenever one in my wot wants to see what i'm up to he should connect to trilema, read "plain text" of the pgp -w ilk above, that's it.
mircea_popescu: what ddos ? your node works exactly like your home nat router, only allowing outbound connections.
mircea_popescu: pull-only gossipd ftw.
mircea_popescu: adlai huh ?
adlai wanted to donate a couple articles to the archive
adlai: since it runs out of the five weekly quite quick
mircea_popescu: suppose you donate things you actually own.
trinque: !b 9
assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TAE9GX.txt )
adlai: 0opsjTbdVRLolFS
mircea_popescu: (that's CarbonMan, before you ask. his superpower is well... super power.)
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: danke mircea_popescu
assbot: The PGP -w mode on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNM2gF )
mircea_popescu: i answered even
ascii_field: ahahaha
ascii_field: imho stego by its very nature ought to be a personal and various thing
ascii_field: rather than standardized in any sense
mircea_popescu: we gonna talk here or there
mircea_popescu: i suppose here wins. anyway : the proposed scheme has exactly the advantage of alphabet
mircea_popescu: which is to say : it provides a clean, standard interface that preserves personal and various thing entirely.
mircea_popescu: in so doing it actually promotes both personal-ness and variety.
ascii_field: my ancient version of this used a modulated shannonizer
mircea_popescu: one could in principle do exactly what FM does to radio waves.
ascii_field: where the input skews the probabilities
ascii_field: aha heterodyne
mircea_popescu: have an underlying markov process as carrier wave
ascii_field: that was how i did it
ascii_field: pretty obvious, no ?
mircea_popescu: apparently.
ascii_field: good student project btw
jurov: i'd do it like - with every party agree on a different corpus to be fed to shannonizer
assbot: The PGP -w mode on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1QNMhYU )
mircea_popescu: so far we're mostly finding novel ways to use up entropy we don't really have.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo Posted on November 29, 2015 by Bingo Boingo ?
ascii_field feels suitably kicked in arse by mircea_popescu re: entropy
mircea_popescu: also the first <a is unclosed.
mircea_popescu: close it after pravda plox
ascii_field: speaking of, did ben_vulpes ever plug his in ?
ascii_field: or mircea_popescu for that matter
mircea_popescu: it's very good.
ascii_field: iirc i even left one of the chaps with a suitable plug
ascii_field: (i think it was mircea_popescu )
mircea_popescu: they got parrots in argentina you know
ascii_field: btw i had a fella ask me about rng at a job interview thing
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo now there's no paragraphs ?!
ascii_field: he asked 'i get 7.9999999 bts/byte from urandom, why not from yours' and we had a chat about the idiocy of whitening
mircea_popescu: he could get 8.5 bts/byte from urandom for the same money.
ascii_field: i told him 'try feeding nulls through aes with null iv and pipe into ent'
ascii_field: b3st 3ntr0p1
ascii_field: of same kind, aha.
BingoBoingo: fxd, I think
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333508 << this borders on the genius of the proverbial 'polish space program' - 'we will fly to the sun, not the moon! -- but sun is hot! -- we will fly at night'
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 16:36:02; mircea_popescu: what ddos ? your node works exactly like your home nat router, only allowing outbound connections.
ascii_field: ~somebody~ has to permit inbound. and he's the ddos target.
ascii_field: ~connections~ are idiocy and ought to be dispensed with entirely.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field why ?
ascii_field: single-packet messages, with no ack.
mircea_popescu: so ? i dun follow.
ascii_field: because a node of whom you are not a friend ought not to be distinguishable in any way whatsoever from an empty wall socket.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
ascii_field: ANY node
ascii_field: then to whom do you intend to make outbound connection ?
mircea_popescu: that's your business.
ascii_field: whoever accepts tcp connections is ddosable.
mircea_popescu: so... every website on the internet. ok. so ?
ascii_field: regardless of why or form whom he accepts them.
mircea_popescu: so what's the problem you see ?
ascii_field: that tcp is retarded ?
ascii_field: because stateful
ascii_field: and permits all-comers to cost you memory (for however short a time) and not only cpu cycles.
mircea_popescu: looky. a gossipd based on the concept that you keep firewalled clients at home and they connect to a random pile of websites, which simply respond with pgp -w text
mircea_popescu: is both a lot more feasible and way cheaper than the alternative "we'll lay our own cable fu"
ascii_field: no need to lay own cable
ascii_field: (see old thread)
ascii_field: but 'handful of servers' is what we have today, and it falls over when enemy so much as sneezes at it.
ascii_field: 'server' is a braindamaged concept, period
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the theory. the model here contemplated is actually workable.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares if "fall over" because there's so damned many of them.
mircea_popescu: you can use fucking twitter for all the difference it makes.
ascii_field: not to mention the www stack (apache et all) is a massive turd
mircea_popescu: you don't run it yourself.
mircea_popescu: make a subreddit.
mircea_popescu: make a facebook account.
ascii_field: aha i see where mircea_popescu was going
mircea_popescu: bleed tghem dry.
ascii_field: this is baked
ascii_field: malware c&c machinery uses this method.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: one of the caveats is that 'pull'-anything is susceptible to engineered slowdown
mircea_popescu: to put this morning's set of realisations in a simple, clear package : making a battleship is nowhere near as good as making a battleship out of ustard decapitated heads.
mircea_popescu: sure, it is.
mircea_popescu: the alternative is susceptible to filtering on infrastructure you don't own.
ascii_field: this is sorta like blockchain telegraph - works great if you don't need frequent/real-time updates
ascii_field: and the passive nodes are kept abreast of the 'drop site' list
mircea_popescu: seems the b-a works just fine with logline refs.
mircea_popescu: if anything real-time is truly DETRIMENTAL, if my mpex and our ba experience has taught us anything.
mircea_popescu: should be there in days rather than yerars, yes. should be there in microseconds rather than seconds ? mno.
ascii_field: aha usenet
mircea_popescu: thinking about it twitter is particularly apt for this job.
ascii_field actually prefers usenet-style conversation, and was resistant to b-a-ization initially because of it
mircea_popescu: what's the difference you'd say ?
mircea_popescu: line rather than paragraph ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: sorta like the difference between meat chess and epistolary chess
mircea_popescu: the only problem with that thing is that IT makes emotion unreadable
mircea_popescu: no, it's not "the internet". it's the usenet/bbs/forum model.
ascii_field: deedbot- has been unhappy lately ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: mebbe deedbot is afraid of the gossipd similarity to usenet? Fears #b-a.tasteless?
trinque: ascii_field: it has; in this case reconnected as deedbot-- but could not auth
ascii_field has been having peculiar problems connecting, for a couplea days now
trinque: there's mention of freenode ddos in teh logz
trinque: they also tweeted something about it a few days ago
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-pilot-idUSKBN0TI07T20151129 << the angle I see here is that Turkey wants Russia to tell them of their operations in Syria in advance so that Turkey can pass the information along to their allies within
assbot: Turkey recovers body of pilot from downed Russian jet| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1lSAhIZ )
trinque: probably obvious
mircea_popescu: alternatively they're ready for a rematch of 1878
mircea_popescu: except there's no romania around to save the russians' butt this time
ascii_field: wai wut
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
trinque: hm. on the other side, Crimea is a bit closer to Ankara isn't it.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what do you think happened in teh turk-russian war ?
hanbot: BingoBoingo from mp's latest qntra lulz, "has moved on to playing with the the little rocks", double-the.
mircea_popescu: „Turcii, adunând cele mai mari mase de trupe la Plevna, ne zdrobesc. Rog să faci fusiune, demonstrațiune și, dacă se poate, să treci Dunărea cu armata după cum dorești. Între Jiu și Corabia demonstrațiunea aceasta este neapărat necesară pentru înlesnirea mișcărilor mele.” etc.
mircea_popescu: war was won by romanian troops with russian auxiliaries under romanian command. so HA!
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: any of you every try gccsense ? (http://cx4a.org/software/gccsense )
mod6: no, huh.
mod6: thanks for posting
ascii_field: it is very very ugly:
ascii_field: uses own fork of gcc (good luck if you do embedded work)
ascii_field: and relies on proggies in ruby (!) for emacs glue
ascii_field: ... aaaand it doesn't seem to actually work
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: if anyone actually gets this to work, please say.
ascii_field: aaaaand even if it worked, it wouldn't work in header files.
ascii_field: (as per manual)
ascii_field: and the whole 'gccrec' thing is ick
ascii_field: but i pasted the link because APPARENTLY THIS IS the state of the art
mod6: haha.,
mod6: ok i'll steer clear
assbot: playground21/apibb at master · jgarzik/playground21 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hy7ZgS )
mircea_popescu: the state of the fart.
BingoBoingo: old, but everthing a crime https://archive.is/rBH9u
assbot: New law could mean bad news for allergy sufferers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hy9k7v )
mircea_popescu: heh. the lulzy this yes that no selection the usg does.
mircea_popescu: if you think you're "transsexual" that's a protected class. if you got allergies, fuck you.
mircea_popescu: if you're trying to get an abortion, yay! if you're trying to buy a gun BOO!!!
mircea_popescu: if you're smoking you're evil. if you're fat you're alt-beautiful.
mircea_popescu: if you're a 20something woman working in an office and you think you might have been raped by a 50 something outdoors type of guy, poor you. if you're a 50something outdoors type of guy and think you might have been raped by a 20something irs office drone, fuck you.
mircea_popescu: if you think "the patriarchy" is causing "global warming", you go on the foodstamp list. if you think government is causing the decay of society, you get on the no travel list.
mircea_popescu: at some point this'll have to be systematized, ain't nobody got time to keep track of all the retarded arbitrary shit.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. My choices to avoid mouthbreathing until this things resolves are 1. Sign my name to the methlist 2. Placebo 3. Topical spray that can't reach site of action because of cold related fluid build up
BingoBoingo: And no. A fucking neti pot is not an option because I'm not a hippy and I don't want fucking brain parasites because this is the third world.
BingoBoingo: Apparently brewing an immediate pseudophedrine precursor (With Yeast and Dextrose!) isn't too bad. Maybe there's some way to astroturf the hippies into promoting "natural" pseudoephedrine brewing
BingoBoingo: Bullshit phenylephrine placebo with 4x side effects and 0x actual effect
jurov: luckily i so far did not need meth precursors, only *cetizine pills and benifuki tea
jurov: *cetirizine pills
jurov: and the tea is expensive, tho
BingoBoingo: Ah, if I break down and sign my name to the list I'll prolly get cetirizine + pseudoephedrine but I dunno what that tea is
jurov: japanese import
jurov: and i don't have ephedrine in these pills
BingoBoingo: Ah, but you have a catecholamine drug in the tea! That's the secret!
BingoBoingo: Drug was hiding in the beverage
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: they come in saline-under-co2-in-a-can versions
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i have *just* (as in the past week) located my wot's signal analyzer
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Oh?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: yup. totally sterile, the way god intended it be.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time (when i still got sick, before i brought my own disease vector into the house) i dissolved some curcumin into the saline solution
ben_vulpes: stained the neilmed squeeze bottle yellow
ben_vulpes: disconcerting
assbot: Clumsy Fetish ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nhd60S )
assbot: Emergency Medicine Society Recommends a Rectal Exam to Rule-out Back Pain | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhdbSl )
BingoBoingo: Is there no social movement in Syria that isn't as scary as fuck https://archive.is/KXD0f
ben_vulpes just witnessed apple deinstall a second google app from his phone
ben_vulpes: last week it was google maps
ben_vulpes: this week 'tis youtube
BingoBoingo: "In Rojava’s three Kurdish cantons, together comprising an area about the size of Connecticut, society is being organized according to the principles of an American anarchist-ecologist philosopher named Murray Bookchin. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 82 @ 0.03274926 = 2.6854 BTC [-]
trinque: municipal assemblies, which he called ‘‘democracy without the state.’’ These assemblies would form a grand confederation that would extend across all Kurdish regions of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran << the old-new thing
trinque: Is the world—and this time most scandalously of all, the international left—really going to be complicit in letting history repeat itself? << bahahaha this is so painfully self-aware
trinque: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333683 << not arbitrary at all. plain old 'class war'
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 20:15:06; mircea_popescu: at some point this'll have to be systematized, ain't nobody got time to keep track of all the retarded arbitrary shit.
ben_vulpes: the creeping death
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i've gotten some decent mileage out of company-mode.
ben_vulpes: http://ngnghm.github.io/ << more 'hoon', but with no code
assbot: Houyhnhnm Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWxIfK )
ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-25/want-to-get-richer-accept-refugees << "eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and not that bad for you!"
assbot: Want to Get Richer? Accept Refugees - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1HykTLT )
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: not like low class germans/usians/brits/etc. are going to do the factory jobs. all these countries have negative birth rates and huge ponzi pyramids to prop up. not like they have options OTHER than immigration.
pete_dushenski: of course, it's mostly the lower classes who will be out-competed for entry-level positions, much to society's benefit.
assbot: Good Afternoon ISIS | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1HylInX )
pete_dushenski: a little tension and competition IS A GOOD THING.
pete_dushenski: otherwise, give it a few generations of complacency and mankind inevitably degenerates
pete_dushenski: "When monetizing premature mortality using EPA-recommended data, we find a social cost of ~$450m over the sales period. For the current fleet, we estimate that a return to compliance for all affected vehicles by the end of 2016 will avert ~130 early deaths and avoid ~$840m in social costs compared to a counterfactual case without recall." << lulzy volkswagen emissions 'impact research'
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: danke pete_dushenski
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: i was looking at 'company-mode'. where does it actually get the tags ?
BingoBoingo: !up bad_duck
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: i believe that to be major-mode dependent. see 'backends'.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: which ones have you tried ?
ascii_field: ctags is worthless
ascii_field: (if i can't define a symbol and have it IMMEDIATELY typecompletable, it's shit)
ascii_field: even microshit got this right
ascii_field: but here in 'civilized' world, no dice
phf: ascii_field: i believe if you want to get company mode working with C++ you have to muck around with either clang or CEDET
ascii_field: no dice
ascii_field: i use gcc not only because clang is made by enemy but ONLY GCC BUILDS FOR MY ARCH
ascii_field: i do embedded
ascii_field: for fuck's sake
ascii_field: i have motherfucking inline asm in my src
ascii_field: no clang.
phf: ascii_field: i mostly said it to make you twitch, since i know clang is out, and CEDET is a major pain in the ass to setup. i periodically go through exercise every couple of years, and give up in disgust
ascii_field: at this point i fully believe that editor and compiler must be THE SAME PROGRAM
ascii_field: and that what we have now makes the same amount of sense as having a separate gas and brake pedal for each of 4 wheels in a car.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: only the clojure mode.
phf: ascii_field: i don't know about company mode, but builtin dabbrev-expand will pull from current buffer, other buffers or else TAGS, so it sort of satisfies your request for "what i just typed should be available". but your point stands, this is not to run things
ascii_field: useless
phf: there's a nice demo of Lucid xemacs based c++ environment that does all kinds of dynamic things. '95, since then, much progress.
ascii_field: for one thing, i DON'T NEED a thing that fucks with my buffer layout!!
ascii_field: for another thing, i don't ever want to have to think about the 'tags'
ascii_field: as soon as i type out a symbol, it ought to be in the completion list
ascii_field: along with anything reachable via the #include's , and any and all language keywords,
ascii_field: and any valid struct elements / class members in cpp / etc.
ascii_field: and with those visible in scope coming FIRST
ascii_field: and yes, i know why we do not have it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17663 @ 0.00050605 = 8.9384 BTC [+] {4}
ascii_field: (for same reason that i was not able to make the flow graph)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8787 @ 0.00051008 = 4.4821 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.0005101 = 1.3773 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.000502 = 2.1586 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: most of freenode under ddos
pete_dushenski: " The unboxing channel DisneyCollector recently became the most watched YouTube show in the United States, with, at more than two million subscribers, the second largest viewership in the world. "
pete_dushenski: " For reasons unclear to most adult viewers, these short clips in which anonymous presenters who show only their hands unwrap toys appear utterly mesmerising to their tiny fans. "
ascii_field: (of an elementary kind, where maxint drones connect and sit)
pete_dushenski: for reasons unclear eh ? how about "americans are poor and can't afford to buy their kids toys, nor parent them properly and engage their kids' imaginations outside of showing them iphone videos of all the things they can't afford to buy their kids" ? sounds pretty straight-forward
pete_dushenski: "YouTube pays up to $4 (£2.47) per 1,000 views, meaning the most popular hosts can earn a substantial sum of money." << such bullshit. i bet anything this figure is from 2009.
pete_dushenski: 1000 youtube videos currently costs <$1 to manufacture. that's a fact.
pete_dushenski: that youtube would be so wetoddhad as to pay derps posting random videos of anything 4x that is frankly inconceivable
assbot: Toddlers mesmerised by surreal world of unboxing videos - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1js5QYz )
adlai: does havelock have any wot presence?
adlai: !up jurov
jurov: adlai: none
jurov: ;;seen topace
gribble: topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 8 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <topace> heh
jurov: ^ he is not publicly affiliated anymore
jurov: kakobreklaa: maybe update b-a frontpage
jurov: !gettrust jurov enky
assbot: Trust relationship from user jurov to user enky: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=jurov&to=enky | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/enky/
jurov: well, the question is, who *should* be there. definitely qntra and the foundation
trinque: motherfucker. deedbot- has been gagging on orphans for 400 blks
assbot: Viewpoint: Should we all be looking for marginal gains? - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0VP69 )
assbot: Stuck transactions : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0Wk0e )
mircea_popescu: just because killerstorm doesn't understand what's going on doesn't mean "sophisticated devils etc"
mircea_popescu: "The question I have is why do we have to learn about it through guesswork, aren't miners themselves interested in Bitcoin being a reliable payment system?" aka "why don't people in bitcoin give a shit about people on reddit/github/tardstalk"
trinque: shinohai: nah just seems like for whatever reason, the node I was connected to started barfing orphans (maliciously? aws? who knows.)
shinohai: weird.
trinque: this affects the bot's ability to verify that the transaction went through, and hence, its ability to subsequently spend that output
trinque: well, we just need to ship you to turkmenistan or w/e and solve it
pete_dushenski: i hear baku is a happening spot these days.
pete_dushenski: sorta in the same region.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261991 << though turkmenistan does have some pretty wicked bus stops with broken air conditioning
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 22:25:09; pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/a/VMbQ7 << turkmeni curio
shinohai: I must set up shop in glorious nation of Kazakhstan ....
jurov: trinque: it connects at random?
jurov: from what i see from the logs, foundation node rejects them as nonstandard
pete_dushenski: shinohai: heh.
trinque: jurov: yeah, I am going to try switching to a foundation node.
mircea_popescu: !up wpalczynski
pete_dushenski: baku will also host the f1 european grand prix in 2016. first for 'stans' afaik.
pete_dushenski: (how azerbaijan is in 'europe' is for ecclestone to answer)
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 20:51:01; mod6: All: Version '99997 K' of V has been posted to ML & website: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz && http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz.mod6.sig
mircea_popescu: lol @ the "feminist anarchist" gargle. yay, Michelle Goldberg, you go roar girl.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333730 << more fundamentally, not like they're going to fuck the women.
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 21:38:08; pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: not like low class germans/usians/brits/etc. are going to do the factory jobs. all these countries have negative birth rates and huge ponzi pyramids to prop up. not like they have options OTHER than immigration.
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 21:41:41; pete_dushenski: "When monetizing premature mortality using EPA-recommended data, we find a social cost of ~$450m over the sales period. For the current fleet, we estimate that a return to compliance for all affected vehicles by the end of 2016 will avert ~130 early deaths and avoid ~$840m in social costs compared to a counterfactual case without recall." << lulzy volkswagen emissions 'impact research'
mircea_popescu: also, 130 early deaths are not worth 840mn.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.000502 = 2.8614 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the syrians will do it for 50k.
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 22:02:16; ascii_field: at this point i fully believe that editor and compiler must be THE SAME PROGRAM
pete_dushenski: and 840 mn < 35 bn or whatever number was being bandied about for 'recall cost'.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0005101 = 4.2593 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "spend 35bn to save 50k we call 1bn because all numbers are the same number. WE ARE HUMANISTS DAMNIT"
pete_dushenski: "and we needs moar gdp grooth!"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333780 << i know a few people with a billion views who never saw a million dollars. so... no.
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 22:51:01; pete_dushenski: "YouTube pays up to $4 (£2.47) per 1,000 views, meaning the most popular hosts can earn a substantial sum of money." << such bullshit. i bet anything this figure is from 2009.
pete_dushenski: or what was it 'ngdp' now.
mircea_popescu: it's fdp. FAIR DOMESTIC PRODUCT
mircea_popescu: the other one was gross.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 385959 | Current Difficulty: 7.272278064254718E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 387071 | Next Difficulty In: 1112 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: oddly, my node is fine.
mircea_popescu: trinque if you're running it in cramped position you could just follow the republic nodes i guess
pete_dushenski remembers learning about shift from 'gnp' to 'gdp' as boy and apparent shadiness of this bait-and-switch even then
mircea_popescu: have the firewall set up so it can only connect to them (deny from all accept from X Y Z) as a way around the incredibly braindamaged way the client itself handles connections
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what was shady ? there's nothing national about corporations.
mircea_popescu: architecture made by humanists for humanists. "here, look how insignificant the human is!!11"
mircea_popescu: fuck you.
pete_dushenski: palace at versailles yields different impression, yes, that of "holy fuck how did they even think of that level of detailing?" and "holy cramoly where did they even find craftsman to make that?"
pete_dushenski: 'modern' architecture is more "look what we made materials do. at least until it rains!"
jurov: mircea_popescu: how much memory it has available? i have seen newly started node gain 60MB RSS in a hour (my experimental limiter did not kick in due to bug)
mircea_popescu: jurov 64gb
jurov: l0l
jurov: obv it's fine
mircea_popescu: well this isn't a pogo what am i to do.
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The distant future of Bitcoin miner defection. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/29/the-distant-future-of-bitcoin-miner-defection/
pete_dushenski: and with that, ima a be on my merry way. cheers !
trinque: mircea_popescu │ trinque if you're running it in cramped position you could just follow the republic nodes i guess << I've got space; perhaps cramped in other ways. For now I'll switch to the foundation bitcoind. If there are still problems, I'll move the node to a separate instance with undisclosed IP and communicate inside AWS. If that still has problems, would actually be pretty interesting.
trinque: mod6: would latest script in the logs not have the right V hash?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.0005101 = 4.5909 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: fucking freenode.
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: would latest script in the logs not have the right V hash? << Hmm?
mod6: oh the rotor+TEST2 script? Yeah, that needs to be updated.
mod6: I'll post an updated version here tonight. Thanks.
mod6: :]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2529 @ 0.000502 = 1.2696 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-11-2015#1333627 < the thread is all over the place. for certain, not all, things i find this worse than the shape of a classic forum.
assbot: Logged on 29-11-2015 17:51:30; mircea_popescu: line rather than paragraph ?
mircea_popescu: as far as im concerned the classic forum is unusable because it is perfectly unable to handle quotation. it's the same exact problem of "inline" comment display for wordpress : you end up either with an arbitrary node depth or else single character lines
mircea_popescu: suppose i quote two different things respondent. the thread should now split, as a tree. it does not do that.
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't do that might as well forget the pretense and do this.
kakobrekla: it shouldnt split (although it can be) and as it is now it cant ever split.
danielpbarron: that's what i liked about twitter-- the forking of threads and chaining of replies. These days it's been ruined with some algorithmic sorting
kakobrekla: here have b-a, 100 megs of text thread. yay.
danielpbarron: irc is an old favorite of mine. Been using it since 2004 (although i took a several years break from 2008 till i found this place)
danielpbarron: still have all my old logs burned on a cd
jurov: BingoBoingo: hopefully better stuff than murican passports: http://dpaste.com/1102V9J
assbot: dpaste: 1102V9J: qntra, by jurov ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmaKmA )
kakobrekla: it was acceptable in the old days of b-a when we werent actually been doing anything. now theres n projects being juggled and its a pain.
mircea_popescu kinda likes it.
kakobrekla: yeah i know you like pain.
mircea_popescu: i mean, for as long as there isn't a solution, the best thing to do is not pretend to solve the problem
kakobrekla: especially inflicted on others. :p
kakobrekla: before a solution is found, the problem needs recognition, no?
mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: i confess i dunno what the problem is. this certainly should not mean no problem exists.
mircea_popescu: one thing i can see : the conversation graph is incredibly complex. there's two practical ways to present it : either as a flat file without any structure other than what's provided by the author ; or else as a properly restated graph, which will do a lot of node replication as oyu have to unwind the rat's nest of reference.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00050574 = 3.439 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: as far as the later thing is concerned, it's not clear it actually is any better (because you will necessarily have to read EVEN MORE), we know from experience that machines can not do this, and contemporary semiotics seems to indicate the task is intractable in principle.
kakobrekla: the problem is poor separation of threads. i have been actually thinking about this a few weeks ago and though i might add forward linking to the logs, along with the existing back linking
mircea_popescu: if you recall we were toying with the idea of getting someone to summarize the logs. fluffypony even offered to finance it. nobody could be found.
mircea_popescu: the recent experience of gabrielradio trying on the (imo easier) task of translating trilema articles makes me think it will NEVER be done.
kakobrekla: not all problems are solvable by slaves.
mircea_popescu: but the idea of forward links is good i think
kakobrekla: unless 'rabotnik'.
mircea_popescu: the thing is tho, from my own experience reading logs, every time i try to jump forward in time i end up with a mess. works much better for me to read them serially and think about it that way. which is why i parse the logs to this day, years later.
mircea_popescu: but who knows
mircea_popescu: anyway, slaves schmlaves. i tried to do it myself, the summarization of logs, gave up in anger.
kakobrekla: summary isnt really the cure here
kakobrekla: say i wanna reread everything that was said about 'v', i have two options;
kakobrekla: 1. read last 30 megs of logs
kakobrekla: 2. go fuck myself
kakobrekla: 2 is actually 1 in another words.
mircea_popescu: if you had a summary you would in principle be able to.
mircea_popescu: think the old system of "library cards" or "study notes"
mircea_popescu: which is how intellectual life organized the large conversation back when people still had an intellectual life.
kakobrekla: id be able to tune it down to 10 megs instead of 30. out of 100k needed.
mircea_popescu: no, the idea is you keep your own lecture notes, which are not necessarily equal to another's.
mircea_popescu: uni professor comes before the class of 100 kids, reads the 30mb of log,
mircea_popescu: this results in 100 mutually incomparable sets of 1-3 mb notes.
mircea_popescu: the total size has balooned but each person has their own comfortable paths cut through the field, like so many mice.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.000502 = 1.8825 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: but so stated (say i wanna reread everything that x), the problem is obvious to me too. we're in danger of losing it.
kakobrekla: better comparison than professor seems to me a giant book that contains everything without any order or index or chapters or ...
kakobrekla: not even the professor can use it!
mircea_popescu: certainly all sorts of buried gems in there by now that all of 3 people maybe know about.
mircea_popescu: pete_d has been trying in his own way to fight this i gather, with mixed results.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00050121 = 5.789 BTC [-] {3}
phf: i keep bookmarks around, per subject that i'm interested in, or mp/ascii dialogues that i might want to reread. a solution that i was thinking of hacking up in my own system is ranged highlights, basically same idea as on trilema, but instead of point-to-point it's entries and ranges. so on subject of v the link becomes entries=333,350-380,490-492,500-505. perhaps that sort of bookmarks can be shared, to have an illuminated log
kakobrekla: the best way to keep a house tidy is not messing it up in the first place
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28002 @ 0.0005096 = 14.2698 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: second best is to have a house keeper, but that has failed.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla in general the housewives that succeed in their life's work of "getting everyone to stop messing up the house" are ~a year away from having to decide if they wish to file for divorce or just come to terms with the fact that the husband lives with a younger woman now.
kakobrekla: you dont have to get married, you can just pay.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean you!
mircea_popescu: heck, are you even a woman ?!
kakobrekla: sounds like tits but means dick.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00051009 = 3.3921 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00050089 = 1.2021 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00051009 = 22.495 BTC [+] {4}
phf: ;;isup files.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: files.bitcoin-assets.com is up
kakobrekla: problem?
phf: yeah.. not actually getting a connection
kakobrekla: did you do a lot of requests?
phf: from my machine only though. is there some kind of tripwire there?
phf: yes
kakobrekla: triggerhappy banhammer id guess
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> jurov 64gb << My node also fine on 8gb 0.7-ish
kakobrekla: phf static ip?
phf: kakobrekla: not on my home machine, but if you can write in an exception i have an ip for you
kakobrekla: i can, pm.
phf: i patched my script to do HEAD on files to ensure that i'm up to date, probably doing them in loop on the entire set is what triggered
kakobrekla: a yup.
kakobrekla: server is still sort of in war mode since the last ddos attacks
BingoBoingo: <jurov> BingoBoingo: hopefully better stuff than murican passports: http://dpaste.com/1102V9J << Editing it nao
assbot: dpaste: 1102V9J: qntra, by jurov ... ( http://bit.ly/1TmaKmA )
punkman: zaoshang
mod6: trinque, et. al: The updated [version 99997 K] rotot v054-TEST2 (via `V') script: http://dpaste.com/3J5SA2V.txt
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2015 00:12:56; pete_dushenski: (how azerbaijan is in 'europe' is for ecclestone to answer)
assbot: File:EU European Neighbourhood Policy states.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmtjbW )
trinque: mod6: neato!
trinque: building now
BingoBoingo: jurov: Published
BingoBoingo: Added conclusion, made a few other edits
deedbot-: [Qntra] Recent "SigOp" "Attack" On The Blockchain Or Advanced Power Rangering - http://qntra.net/2015/11/recent-sigop-attack-on-the-blockchain-or-advanced-power-rangering/
mircea_popescu: excellent write-up.
mircea_popescu: thumbsup jurov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00050157 = 2.4075 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: remains staying outside of the Core fork << spurious staying
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ukj2j/balaji_s_srinivasan_on_twitter_the_day_is_coming/ <<< in other news anon redditards write whitepapers about trilema, forget to mention it's about trilema.
assbot: Balaji S. Srinivasan on Twitter: The day is coming when Google must bulk purchase Bitcoin to crawl the machine-payable web : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XChT2Y )
mod6: thanks trinque, let me know how it goes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00051009 = 3.3666 BTC [+] {2}
phf: punkman: looks like a neti pot alternative for BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Nope. Doesn't involve nearly enough chemicals.
BingoBoingo: And my nose doesn't need to identify as transJewMayoQueer
punkman: tramazoline hydrochloride and dexamethasone is a good combination
mircea_popescu: whenever trinque is the 2nd word in a sentence my latin parser kids in
mircea_popescu: and i go &trin... wait, wut ?
mircea_popescu: i hope they come up with "yes" as the answer.
punkman: they did
mircea_popescu: seeing how the only question is "what fraction of bitcoin reserves is safe to be kept as fiat"
BingoBoingo: punkman: Isn't dexamethasone the bad kind of steroid?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14392 @ 0.0005018 = 7.2219 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: BingoBoingo: no idea, but best unclogger I can get locally
BingoBoingo suspects cocaine would be surpremely effective, but the whole sobriety thing
trinque: nah, coke boogers
phf: that's why you disolve it an alcohol and drink
punkman: re: irc threads, suppose we had a client that merge multiple channels into a single stream
punkman: also, anyone remember google wave
BingoBoingo: phf: Or saline to spray
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