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BingoBoingo: !up bagels7
BingoBoingo: !up sueastside
BingoBoingo: !up bagels7
BingoBoingo: !up sueastside
BingoBoingo: !up jurov
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Can we at least come to a consensus that oral sex is not a deviant form of sodomy
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bagels7: I make whore dollars with my whore mouth
ben_vulpes: good evening bagels7
bagels7: Good evening ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: how is the ol' moneymaker tonight?
bagels7: I'm a good whore because no matter what you do you should do it well, moreover is it not the will of god
bagels7: well I didn't work tonight, girls with cocks are very niche
BingoBoingo: Having a cock still isn't as bad for a girl as being Obeast bagels7
bagels7: I'm not BBW yet and I broke up with my boyfriend that apparently had me in a fattening room
bagels7: He slashed the tired of my bike and the cops put him in jail because [...] I hate alcoholism
BingoBoingo: bagels7: Maybe focus on staying human sized? As a t-girl that is the bulk of your value proposition, not being an obeast.
BingoBoingo: Also, alcoholism is kool.
bagels7: Bingoboingo: I am 6 feet tall or 183 cm
BingoBoingo: So, tall and not being an obeast are your value propositions
bagels7: I can't help being heavy , also alcoholism is not kool when you get beat up and abused and constantly belittled
bagels7: Obviously Bingo
bagels7: I am considering some sort of liquid diet
bagels7: But I really really would like a peace of pie right now at 1 am
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trinque: bagels7 | I can't help being heavy << are you trying to trigger BingoBoingo ?
trinque is hitting the gym 4 times a week; what's this "can't help it"
BingoBoingo: trinque: Yes, Imma being triggered.
BingoBoingo: bagels7: You know Brian in you skull only accepts two carbohydrates as fuel. Glucose and good old ETOH
bagels7: alcohol messes up my hormones and is probably what got me fat in the first place
BingoBoingo: Alcohol is what makes me so manly I beat the bouncers who wanted to kick me out of forlorn sports bar last Saturday. (I beat them by getting a block and a half lead)
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BingoBoingo very impressed with Rubio staying Bitbet's favorite repubican candidia. He's got very pretty eyes for a spic.
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BingoBoingo: !up bagels7
BingoBoingo: !up sueastside
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BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve
HeySteve: hi BingoBoingo, what's new?
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: I know its been a while since you've abandoned writing for the now collapsing CCN rag. Ever given a serious though to qntra writing?
BingoBoingo: You write with a solid voice.
HeySteve: I have indeed
BingoBoingo: I don't remember you writing for the other place since qntra was born, gotta have that blue balls
HeySteve: I started up my own site, coinlife.me
HeySteve: it's about Bitcoin but as non-technical as it gets
HeySteve: and yeah, I left CCN before the Garza scandal broke
BingoBoingo: Yeah, that was a solid move
BingoBoingo: You are the only motherfucker who made it out, and why? You saw the stupid and left.
BingoBoingo: I though am interested in your new bitcoin"lifestyle site
HeySteve: yeah I'm trying to get that profitable so I can expand
HeySteve: saw an article no one else is covering
HeySteve: an angle rather
BingoBoingo: It is a good thing to do. If you see interesting angles on news, feel free to collect some equity in qntra.
BingoBoingo: A lot of other people seriously undervalue the sort of history you have.
HeySteve: ok excellent, thanks for the offer and I'll certainly take you up on it if and when I find a good story
BingoBoingo: It is an offer of the sort open to a lot of people in varying degrees. To you it is especially open.
BingoBoingo: Stuff already news'd that you have a smart commentary on is an opening you have that not many others do.
HeySteve: well, my current "serious" project is trying to defeat property rental fraud using cryptocurrency
HeySteve: BitShares specifically, which I realise is an unpopular topic around here, but perhaps something interesting may come of that
punkman: what is property rental fraud?
HeySteve: when a landlord retains a tenant's rental deposit without justification. very common around the world and hard to challenge legally
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Bitshares is more looked down on for its nature than its applications, not quite, but close to Ether uffing hate
BingoBoingo: The way though to actually beat rental fraud is allodial title and an army
HeySteve: yeah, in an ideal world I'd code up my own application but...
punkman: HeySteve: they usually have justification, don't they?
HeySteve: researching alloidal title, thanks
BingoBoingo: Well, allodial title also takes an army
HeySteve: punkman, it varies. often they overcharge for minor damages or make a point of being absent when the tenant is required to return the keys
HeySteve: had an article on it...
punkman: sure, they overcharge. how does bitshares help?
HeySteve: ah yes, this was a decent overview: http://www.caltenantlaw.com/secdep.htm
assbot: Getting Back Your Security Deposit ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwDQ2E )
HeySteve: right, well my idea is to escrow the rental deposit
BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve
punkman: UK gov does escrow for rental deposits these days
HeySteve: and the fiat-pegged assets with multisig which BTS allows "out the box" will help keep things simple for the public and myself alike
HeySteve: didn't know that, punkman, there's clearly a need for it in the developing world
punkman: HeySteve: well here it is if you are interested in prior art https://www.gov.uk/tenancy-deposit-protection/overview
assbot: Tenancy deposit protection - GOV.UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwDYiA )
HeySteve: this sort of fraud is rampant here in South Africa and from what I've heard from people, common in Israel too
HeySteve: thanks, that's good information. here it's also required that the deposit be kept in an interest bearing account, which adds another wrinklle
punkman: HeySteve: what are the incentives for the landlord though?
HeySteve: good question. for a dishonest landlord, there are only disincentives. for an honest one, I'm still considering... obvious option is to require a larger deposit
punkman: were I renting houses to orcs, I'd definitely not opt-in to any such scheme
HeySteve: if the scheme takes off, it's also a way for honest landlords to attract tenants by declaring their compliance to a standard
HeySteve: punkman, well damage or non-payment will definitely be punished
HeySteve: I'll require evidence from tenant and landlord at start and end of contract and arbitrate based on that
HeySteve: it's also possible to open the arbitration to a jury of sorts through hierarchial multisig
BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> this sort of fraud is rampant here in South Africa and from what I've heard from people, common in Israel too << Oh you are in fluffypony land?
fluffypony: there are like...THREE of us here!
fluffypony: ok Talisman is on -otc, not here, but same diff
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: My brother's latest dog, likely far fluffier than you or any extant equine
HeySteve: Talisman eh? haven't met him but berndj is another saffa
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fluffypony: oh yeah, olinguito
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HeySteve: right, he knows his stuff
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BingoBoingo still amazed that the fluffy gene when expressed is a defect in any breed of dog
HeySteve: fluffypony, how are things going your side, and with Monero?
fluffypony: HeySteve: all good
fluffypony: busy busy
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HeySteve: busy touring exotic destinations from what I saw in r/monero!
HeySteve: heh true story. caps comment is a good eg. of poe's law
BingoBoingo: Better to be a shitlord than an Obeast
BingoBoingo: Palpable collarbones are what set us apart from lower animals
punkman: matryoshka caption
BingoBoingo: So, who wants to play a game?
BingoBoingo: About 29 hours ago I offered a challenge people who wanted a chance to establish a history of work in La Serrenisima could tackle. Actual takes have been... disappoint.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I went to sleep and woke up only to be on the precipice of sleep again. Are you actually considering this or do you want competition?
HeySteve: BingoBoingo, what sort of work are you talking about?
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: In yesterday's logs. Factom or some shit. Filed for an IPO. Total scamception
BingoBoingo: I want a piece that says why with appropriate vitriol
punkman: BingoBoingo: why not write it then?
HeySteve: mmm sounds like a lot of research for me to take on right now
BingoBoingo: punkman: Because honestly. Actual people aren;t losing their shirts on this. Great chance though for marginally people to work towards becoming actual people by demonstrating a knowledge of how the scamception works.
HeySteve: I did question the folks opening up Starbucks about whether they'll accept the Fold app as in like 10 other countries
HeySteve: Starbucks SA^
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: You could do this with more time flipping through sources than reading sources.
HeySteve: well, it does sound like you have a better handle on it. I've never even looked at Factom
BingoBoingo: I am actually more than a tiny bit disappointed that I drop for the crowd a vagina that could queef qntra shares to the extent someone is willing to solidly pump it and... the interest is low
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla ^ we gotta fix this
gribble: The operation succeeded.
HeySteve: BingoBoingo, problem is I'm not comfortable calling something a scam until I'm 100% sure
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: I don't hava a handle on it. I'm not sure it is news at all. It is scam on many levels. My only reservation and the source of my disinterest is... I'm not sure actual people are affected
HeySteve: I've been looking at BTS for weeks and I've still not reached a final verdict
punkman: chukcha not writer, chukcha reader
BingoBoingo: punkman: at some point the greek in you will force you into poetry or sodomy
HeySteve: I did follow the chat a bit. something about early adopter / investor shares being converted to something else, now an IPO?
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BingoBoingo: So far October has been an frustratingly boring part of Bitcoin. I am worried though that Qntra is crossing into its second year and people don't want a giftwrapped chance to write a first story. Is qntra insufficiently established or does this seem too much of a trap. I the cost of fucking up in #b-a seeming too high? I am confused.
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Some of that. It goes deep like Micheal Bay filming Alice in WOnderland
punkman: risk of ruin from writing article seems nonexistant
BingoBoingo: punkman: There's actually lot of potential for ruin. What I want to know is how people can take that attitude towards risk and not find writng for qntra appealing
BingoBoingo: Writing for qntra is a solid way for people who think gud, but dun code gud to build #b-a cred
punkman: BingoBoingo: well as you said, not sure if it's news. especially considering there's a dozen or three Ether clones with same exact story
HeySteve: perhaps the problem is "say this is a scam" vs "investigate whether this is a scam"
BingoBoingo: punkman: The particular scamcoin failing is not quite news, but a mechanistic documentation of why this one is failing is news.
BingoBoingo: punkman: also weren't you going to write something on Greece being a failed state like Ferguson at some point? Or is Greece still catching up?
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:qntra.net jizzmopers
gribble: No matches found.
BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo> ;;google site:qntra.net jizzmoppers
assbot: GAW Miners Revealed As The Jizz Moppers Supreme | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWjEwn )
punkman: BingoBoingo: I'm not terribly informed on the situation, but I think I'll do a followup soon
BingoBoingo: Qntra is exactly the way people who can't speak BTC++ can contribute to understanding the BTC ecosystem and, I would really appreciate more submissions on various fiat brokeness seen.
BingoBoingo: pete_duskenski has been great with this as has thestringpuller, this thing is here, for some definitions of queer it is that, and it isn't going away anytime soon
assbot: Nevada Shuts Down Fantasy Sports Sites: Apply For A Gaming License Or Face A Decade In Prison | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWjXY6 )
BingoBoingo: I am abou to pass out and I have a 'different' perspective on that bezzel would like to see others.
HeySteve: my preferred fantasy sports site is of course http://www.fumbbl.com/
assbot: FUMBBL :: Online Blood Bowl League ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWk45K )
BingoBoingo: Not ButtFumbbl?
HeySteve: I don't really know the other meaning. people run a pretend league based on real teams and players?
BingoBoingo: Basically that
HeySteve: ok but how are outcomes decided?
BingoBoingo: Not real teams ever. Fake teams made of real player playing for real teams.
BingoBoingo: Basically only US legal because the scamception involved lets league stakholders pass it off to congress as a "skill game" and not gambling even though it is scammy gambling
cazalla: BingoBoingo, problem is finding people who are passionate about bitcoin and lately for me, i couldn't think of anything more boring than bitcoin
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, our news child is now a toddler. Imma just trying to get the village involved in its raising
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HeySteve: Dear Steven, Thank you for your enquiry around the Fold app. We are not currently looking at virtual currency apps as we are focused on creating a local Starbucks app that will bring a richer online experience to our customers. Thank you for your interest. Regards, Diana
HeySteve: I'd rather have cheaper coffee than a richer online experience but that's just me
punkman: cazalla: why is it boring?
BingoBoingo: Mebbe because I am drunk and my mind is tearing
cazalla: punkman, been a daily thing for almost 3 years for me, just grown tired of it and the conversations about it past few months, i'm not saying "bitcoin is dead" just that i'm tired of talking/reading about it after this long, feel like going to do something else for 6-12 months and looking at it then after a break
punkman: conversations in reddit, #ba, both?
cazalla: here, not reddit, not an attack, just saying having read daily for what, a year now, gets a bit much, spring is in full swing and summer on the way, have a toddler to play with, need to find a full job again, something gotta give i guess, the whole bitcoin thing is something i just want to pack up in a box and look at again in a year
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davout: bonjour tout le monde
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kakobrekla: >at least we have bugs because it means that we're doing something, we're actually innovating whereas a lot of our competitors don't have bugs because they don't change
kakobrekla: bugs ftw
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BingoBoingo: Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck, compile errors, FUCK!!! WHat was so wrong with even-s.
punkman: BingoBoingo: are you backporting?
BingoBoingo: punkman: I'm trying to bring low-s signing to 0.5.x and 0.7.x but the existing shit is in a worthless different fucking language.
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BingoBoingo: I've been drinking vodka and banging my head against this for about 8 hours nao off and on. I feel way too angry for a 116/67 blood pressure reading.
BingoBoingo: I think I might be broken on a fundamental level. Or maybe I'm drunk naked and cold and ought to close the windows...
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 04:52:30; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Can we at least come to a consensus that oral sex is not a deviant form of sodomy
assbot: Archived Blog 6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mtqa3a )
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Swallowing cum though supports female fertility in a way that is tied to the specific man cumming
danielpbarron: >> Having Oral Sex - no (in marriage, see Song of Solomon) << the "no" is an answer to the question "is it a sin?"
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shinohai: Why would a god even care about my sex life?
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BingoBoingo: shinohai: Why does Lucifer run a bar in LA? Some things aren't for us mortals to sympathize with.
shinohai: Lucifer is tight though.
danielpbarron: shinohai, 1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body[a] and in your spirit, which are God's.
danielpbarron: and what is a "sex life" anyway?
danielpbarron: is it like a "black life" ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, it is more like a "blue life" whatever the fuck that is, but apparently billboards are telling me nao that blue lives matter
shinohai: Ok, so if your body is a temple for worshiping god, then you want god to have a good time, ammi rite?
shinohai: I mean, he's up there where it's boring all the time. Maybe he doesn't know what great fun it is to snort heroin off a tranny's cock.
davout: fluffypony: know anything about this? --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1209440
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300167 << i'll tell you why anal. it builds character.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 03:28:54; danielpbarron: exactly. why anal?
mircea_popescu: the interesection between neurotic women and women that take it in the ass with some regularity is practically nil.
mircea_popescu: ask every annoying woman that you know whether she habitually engages in anal sex, be surprised at the universal absence of the behaviour.
mircea_popescu: "why anal ?" is in the same vein as "why go to school". because, obviously, "whoever likes me will like me for me as i am!!1"
mircea_popescu: except... you aren't.
kakobrekla: is it "i own your ass" or is it "i own you vagoo" ?
shinohai: "On the merits of Anal Intercourse." by mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: lol. well it's both.
shinohai: I would gladly put that book on my mantelpiece if you were to pen it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300170 << neither of these is particularly true, ftr. on one hand, ass can dilate to about six inches diameter in mostly all humans ; whereas it's true that cunt can dilate to eight or above, this is besides the point, god help you if your cock is over two.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 03:29:25; BingoBoingo: Anal, because tighter, more stimulating
mircea_popescu: moreover, if tighter and/or more stimulating were the point, why not fuck the keyhole / the hot plate.
mircea_popescu: they're respectively even tighter and even more stimulating.
mircea_popescu: but in more granular terms, anal is necessarily less stimulating than vaginal simply because the ass is a U whereas the vagina is a /\. only one of these is designed to give the penis the sort of stimulation it expects, ie, crescendo. or in other words : no cervix in the colon, and no constrictive muscular reaction to protect an absent cervix in the colon muscles.
mircea_popescu: there you go shinohai.
mircea_popescu: as to why not anal, firstly because you're probably too young and you'll move suddenly and jerkily like too young people do and hurt her ; and secondly because you live in the sticks and will give yourself an uti because you can't afford condoms ; and thirdly because you'e insane and who the fuck knows what nonsense you'll do with it (the us porn people are a fine example with their anal desinfectants and bleaching and
mircea_popescu: whatnot).
shinohai: !s The Last Psychiatrist anal
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mircea_popescu: !up Zuardi
mircea_popescu: !up Zuardi
assbot: The "Christian Europe" and other aberrant notions on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHouaN )
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Zuardi: hi, thanks, I am still catching up with all trilema posts and this channel's log :)
mircea_popescu: perhaps vaguely interesting to asciilifeform : in the comments of the original article (see http://trilema.com/2011/europa-crestina-si-alte-aberatii/#comment-71835 etc) a very familiar mechanism is at work : christian dude (who is otherwise a very clever, and well respected, commenter there), after exhausting the attempts to plead to authority ("oh you aren't qualified to discuss ; oh merkel is from a party called chri
assbot: Europa crestina si alte aberatii on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHp9Ju )
mircea_popescu: stian something and german technology is best" etc, moves on to proposing that i am trying to diminish the importance of x. ie, he is proposing that i accept the form of his argument (xtianity matters) and debate the conclusions, in his terms.
mircea_popescu: obviously i refuse this approach, but note the method for chrissakes. 2011, in obscure language, on obscure topic nobody gives a shit about.
mircea_popescu: to me this strictly means that the methods "of government" are merely the methods of educated stupidity, there's nothing else there. whenever a stupid part of one's worldview tries to avail itself of the power justly earned by other parts to maintain itself, you got a government talking. and it talks the same way EVERY TIME.
mircea_popescu: whether it's 300 million strong or just in one retired engineer's head, the same damned vocabulary, style and grammar.
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fluffypony: davout: reading it now
deedbot-: [Trilema] The "Christian Europe" and other aberrant notions - http://trilema.com/2015/the-christian-europe-and-other-aberrant-notions/
davout: doesn't appear to me it's anyone but his loss
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davout: *anyone's
fluffypony: well lots of people told him at the beginning that those guys were dodgy
davout: public mea culpa is pretty respectable though if you ask me
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 04:58:27; bagels7: I make whore dollars with my whore mouth
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300253 << very easy to challenge. "you want these keys back ? pay up."
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 07:50:28; HeySteve: when a landlord retains a tenant's rental deposit without justification. very common around the world and hard to challenge legally
mircea_popescu: and if he doesn't, well, twice the deposit worth of damage + whatever it costs him to break in should be just about fair.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300260 << so you don't return, leave them notice of breach.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 07:55:20; HeySteve: punkman, it varies. often they overcharge for minor damages or make a point of being absent when the tenant is required to return the keys
mircea_popescu: seriously, you're going to invent a blockchain way to make losers not be beaten up by their betters ? because why.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 08:01:03; HeySteve: this sort of fraud is rampant here in South Africa and from what I've heard from people, common in Israel too
mircea_popescu: this "o noes we are opressed" talk is the stock in trade of the worthless class. for good reason.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300279 << so a) you'll spend your life driving between bickering nuts. this is a worse deal than what psychs get, at least there you gotta drive to his office. ; b) the blockchain and everything else is entirely superfluous here. your entire idea is "hey, make me the mp of renting in south africa". maybe they will or maybe they won't but you really don't need the funny ha
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 08:05:02; HeySteve: I'll require evidence from tenant and landlord at start and end of contract and arbitrate based on that
mircea_popescu: t. hire some dudes with guns offer the old style protection if you got what it takes. and if you do not, i'll just talk to the actual dudes in question and you'll eat your own ass so fast you'll be on youtube.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300277 << not unlike the idea that if liberland takes off, it'll attract good people by declaring their allegiance to a country.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 08:03:55; HeySteve: if the scheme takes off, it's also a way for honest landlords to attract tenants by declaring their compliance to a standard
mircea_popescu: guess what - that's not how it works.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 08:21:48; *: BingoBoingo still amazed that the fluffy gene when expressed is a defect in any breed of dog
mircea_popescu: but otherwise yes, fluffy is actually a deffect. just like blue eyes.
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assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 09:11:50; punkman: BingoBoingo: well as you said, not sure if it's news. especially considering there's a dozen or three Ether clones with same exact story
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24882 @ 0.00048802 = 12.1429 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo methinks yo uchase way too hard.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300354 << the problem is more in the lines of "finding excited people that aren't idiots".
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 09:24:38; cazalla: BingoBoingo, problem is finding people who are passionate about bitcoin and lately for me, i couldn't think of anything more boring than bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the idiot crowd is generally excited enough.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300364 << so have fun what, not like it's going anywhere.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 09:55:50; cazalla: here, not reddit, not an attack, just saying having read daily for what, a year now, gets a bit much, spring is in full swing and summer on the way, have a toddler to play with, need to find a full job again, something gotta give i guess, the whole bitcoin thing is something i just want to pack up in a box and look at again in a year
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300368 << "yes my kitchen's infested but at least im cooking!"
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 10:09:34; kakobrekla: >at least we have bugs because it means that we're doing something, we're actually innovating whereas a lot of our competitors don't have bugs because they don't change
mircea_popescu: seems legit.
mircea_popescu: !up Jautenim
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2015 12:08:05; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300377 << lol this guy. first he wants to box a steel crossbeam. then he wants to fuck with codemess off the cuff while haranguing people about their writing habits. you ever heard of PACE bingo ? hm ?
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 10:17:42; BingoBoingo: I've been drinking vodka and banging my head against this for about 8 hours nao off and on. I feel way too angry for a 116/67 blood pressure reading.
Jautenim: was that noticed/discussed > http://dpaste.com/3RWJER1
assbot: dpaste: 3RWJER1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LS1vF4 )
mircea_popescu: Jautenim what about it ?
Jautenim: apparently same contents, different packaging
mircea_popescu: it was not.
mircea_popescu: is it exactly the same content ?
Jautenim: according to diff, yes
mircea_popescu: (this isn't a current file, it is a historical version)
mircea_popescu: so they at some point changed packaging to make it 10x bigger ?!
mircea_popescu: no wait, it's really 1.5mb lighter that makes sense. ok.
mircea_popescu: !rated Jautenim
assbot: You rated user Jautenim on 18-May-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00048802 = 5.9294 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 10:35:22; danielpbarron: shinohai, 1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body[a] and in your spirit, which are God's.
mircea_popescu: The DroneDefender can help protect us from those who may wish to do us harm,” said Dan Stamm, who led the research project. “It can help us in numerous settings, from the White House lawn to bases and embassies overseas; from prisons and schools to historic sites. It easily and reliably neutralizes the threat.”
mircea_popescu: "Faisant fi des conseils avisés de nombre d'entre vous, j'ai persévéré avec cette personne, me disant que je dois arrêter d'abandonner juste avant la ligne d'arrivée, ne pas m'arrêter à la première hésitation, penser par moi-même et non par les autres, etc.
mircea_popescu: J'ai eu tord."
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davout: lit. "I had bent" instead of "I was wrong" :D
mircea_popescu: the name is very vaguely familiar, latapie, but i can't place it.
davout: he showed up a coupla times here
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00026077 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $400 before January 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1170/bitcoin-to-top-400-before-january-2016/#b28
davout: he's also with fluffypony in monero
fluffypony: he's a good guy
davout: also if you're curious what a really thick accent from toulouse sounds like, listen to him
fluffypony: but he *is* overly trusting
mircea_popescu: a right.
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assbot: Why the federal government now holds nearly 50% of all residential mortgages - MarketWatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhIek6 )
mircea_popescu: pretty good huh.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Media Is The Message, And The Message Is You're An Idiot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhIsrv )
mircea_popescu: It is the same guys, over and over again, each in their own space, and by default we assume they are the most knowledgeable, or the most rigorous; have the most information or are best able to remain objective. Or maybe we simply hope they'll be good enough.
mircea_popescu: But having the same guys means that we'll be getting the same philosophies, the same filters, the same phrases. We are guaranteeing not just groupthink, but we're allowing others to decide what we're going to talk about, how we'll talk about it. That's why "gay marriage" will disappear not when gays can marry but when a new set of media people get jobs and "gay marriage" isn't as interesting to them. The actual im
mircea_popescu: portance of "gay marriage" in the world is not at all the important question-- it may be extremely relevant, or not at all, but that's irrelevant. Why we're stuck with "bipolar disorder" until, I don't know, the neo-analysts return with their talk of "repressed thyroid energy" or something, but emphatically not because we discover anything qualitatively new about bipolar.
mircea_popescu: And so it goes. If you wonder why you seem ADHD or anxious, it may be that you are being told certain things are horribly important, yet you can't seem to feel it; meanwhile you are also being told the things you thought were important are trivial. \
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thestringpuller: The result of quantitive easing.
davout: mircea_popescu: lol fuck you
mircea_popescu: no, no... lol
mircea_popescu: i just had no idea such a respectable, fetching jeune leader was under all that muck and grime and long curly hair is all +{:D
mircea_popescu: where's the sweater ?
davout: heh, that's what happens when bored at a wedding, waiting for the booze to be served
mircea_popescu: you didn't get sheared for naught, i should hope ? :D
davout: "let's go make some linkedin pix"
davout: i tried to get fanny to make *something* out of it
davout: too technical apparently
mircea_popescu: it's a great pic, srsly.
mircea_popescu: very funny to me/us, sure, but that's besides the point.
davout: has me on it; better be a fucking great pic :D
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300495 << we had this here before. gnu tar versions.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 13:36:06; Jautenim: apparently same contents, different packaging
shinohai: 'One writer of the period noted that he could never feel comfortable tipping a white person, since the practice should be reserved for “Negroes.” ' http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/opinion/why-tipping-is-wrong.html?
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1RMshDS )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300456 << where i live, 'return keys' is a ceremonial thing, landlord traditionally changes lock each time
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 13:19:35; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300253 << very easy to challenge. "you want these keys back ? pay up."
mircea_popescu: no, you do.
asciilifeform: wai wat
asciilifeform: also lulzily, where i live, not only tenants 'feel oppressed' by landlord, but (small-time) landlords also 'oh noez we are oppressed' by tenants!
mircea_popescu: so yes, it;'s a contract like any other, it ends upon specific performance.
mircea_popescu: if breached, the breaching party carries the cost of the whole story.
mircea_popescu: well sure.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the rub is that enforcement of the contract typically requires money. or, at the very least, time.
asciilifeform: (to show up in court, press the issue, etc)
mircea_popescu: if you don't have money your opinion about what you did is wrong.
mircea_popescu: this is what "not having money" means.
mircea_popescu: just like, if your mark is bad, your opinion of what you know is wrong.
mircea_popescu: just like, if flies won't fuck you, your opinion of what's attractive is wrong. and so on.
asciilifeform: where i live, it more typically means that you are 'more distant from the pipeline'
asciilifeform: on account of not having chosen your parents carefully.
mircea_popescu: this is what the poor pretend it means. it never ever does.
mircea_popescu: (and amusingly, the poor pretend this is an exceptional time-and-place thing but pretend so ubiquitously and at all times.)
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzily parallels the entire "i'm special in my you're special t shirt"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if your mark is bad << what a british way to say "grade"
mircea_popescu: haha i guess huh
asciilifeform: yeah yeah if you aren't on a nietzschean atomic dirigible you're nothing, i get it
mircea_popescu: not the point!
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deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR October 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-october-16th-statement/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to get to the bottom of this matter, let's approach it from a more convenient angle.
mircea_popescu: so, in some places/cultures, it is the habit that young men committing marriage PAY to the parents of the young bride a sum of money.
mircea_popescu: in some other places/cultures, the habit is the reverse : the parents pay the young man to take her.
mircea_popescu: in which of these two would you say the poor are being gypped ?
davout: do tell!
mircea_popescu: well obviously it's a trick question. in pastoral communities/other situations where the land is well under carrying capacity, the young man pays, because the old folk could have just drunk and made merry, but instead they put the effort into raising the filly / rose garden / whatever the dude's gonna enjoy. so they should get something for their trouble.
mircea_popescu: conversely, in lands at carrying capacity, the old dudes gotta pay the young dude for their unwarranted priviledge of having occupied a plot of land, which he can not do.
mircea_popescu: this, so as to prevent the young people from just burning the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: and when inheritance changes from male only to both children, as it did in post fedual sicily, the obligation moves from her parents (as he will inherit HIS parents but not hers) to "both parents" which quickly devolves into a sort of "what rich man in the comunity wishes to sponsor this festival"
mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.
mircea_popescu: these are tacit arrangements, you will notice : nobody bothered to type out nicely the rousseau contract of it all, nor bothered to ask the poor to sign, or even explain it to them. because fuck them they're not worth it.
mircea_popescu: but it is NEVER the case that the poor are being gypped by this. whatever the law of the land is, they're getting it back in some other form.
davout: first part sorta reducing to "we'll give you money with the girl to make make rape and pillage less profitable than civilized marriage" ?
mircea_popescu: so, if here the landlords rent out for 10 a month but you gotta pay 10 in advance "as guarantee" and there they rent out for 11 a month but you don't,
mircea_popescu: it's the same story.
mircea_popescu: davout exactly and strictly, yes.
mircea_popescu: and this obviously only affects the poor to any degree - if antinous had or hadn't a trousseau or if he had to pay some homonymous coins, hadrianus couldn't have cared less.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile - there are not enough rich people around to have the same sort of "what's done" thing going. and so they must have contracts.
mircea_popescu: but to say you can't afford contracts AND YET you think you were gypped is basically juust to swear and attest you're poor. of course you'd think that, that's why you're poor : cause you're stupid.
mircea_popescu: too stupid to understand how things work and why, dumb enough to focus on one metric and forget about the others ("hey, engagement is hard to measure!") etc.
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mircea_popescu: "psychothis is underdiagnosed" is exactly like the court's idea that the population is juridically underserved. not so - you can't have things that are definitionally for the few (because the few don't benefit from the banal commonality of the many, soi they need something else to allow society to function).
mircea_popescu: in a world where evereyone's deemed a gentleman, you will need ~five times the population in lawyers. and it's all a colossal waste of time anwyay, only about 1% or so of the population actually gets in relationships complex enough to merit memorialization
mircea_popescu: which is what drives the de-professionalization of lawyers and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: out of line equalitarianism is at the root of ALL social ills in the western world today, not just one or another.
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gabrielradio: ladies and gentlemen, step right up
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assbot: How to suck the cock – guide for half a blowjob - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1NMr7d5 )
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punkman: "At the click of a button he sends it to a thousand matches. After half an hour no-one has responded. Worse, there’s a bounce message from some stuck-up arsehole saying he’s been blocked. He tries to argue with the bounce message, threatening to report it to the Internet Police for curtailing his Freedom of Expression. “We int doing nuffink wrong” Shithead mutters."
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27017 @ 0.00047672 = 12.8795 BTC [-]
assbot: Oregon health insurer to shutter, advises 15,000 customers to find other plans - Portland Business Journal ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9z4ug )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: yours ?
ben_vulpes: "the federal government announced if would pay only 12.6 percent of what is owed to insurers under the “risk corridor” program" << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-10-2015#1299461
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 15:47:33; mircea_popescu: if government does it, it's governance.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: odds are that mine is on the chopping block.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: the whole shebang is on the chopping block. only question is re: the order and timing.
mircea_popescu: gabrielradio it's "guide for half the oral sex". see, because two sexes ?
mircea_popescu: not half a blowjob.
mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00015 / 0.00016455 / 0.000178 (1283 shares, 0.21 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.0002234 / 0.00023879 (6190 shares, 1.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00023944 / 0.00034239 (42650 shares, 10.21 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 314238*.2* 0.00016455
gribble: 10.34157258
mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo, since cazalla's getting out, i figure 10 btc for his chunk should be good enough ? (what you think cazalla ?). you wanna go halves with me in it ?
mircea_popescu: ahaha well the federal government could of course pay them in ious.
ben_vulpes: what's going to happen is that the federal government will continue to subsidize through irs
mircea_popescu: yes, it's generally how "failed states" go : the last resort subsidy is through poor tax collection.
ben_vulpes: ehuehueahueha
mircea_popescu: welcome to mexico.
ben_vulpes: /intentional/ poor tax collection?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00047704 = 10.2087 BTC [+] {4}
ben_vulpes: it just looks like welfare by another name.
mircea_popescu: define "intentional"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you think happens unintentionally ?
mircea_popescu: "i'm not fat because i want to, it's just my genes"
mircea_popescu: "we don't poorly collect because intentionally, it's just hard to do!!1"
ben_vulpes: "we're not collecting poorly, we're denoting this group for large refunds at the end of the year"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 1.39028209 BTC to 10`000`000 shares, 13 satoshi per share
ben_vulpes: marking, rather
mircea_popescu: "we're still in control over here"
ben_vulpes: and those refund checks are turkey-buyin-dollars
ben_vulpes: well no, nobody's arguing that they're in control.
ben_vulpes: they've made promises that are going to bankrupt them.
ben_vulpes: "affordable health insurance!"
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: wai wut, as if they were not bankrupt already long ago ?
ben_vulpes: the right thereto...
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: when did the weimar republic go bankrupt?
mircea_popescu: NEVER!1!1
mircea_popescu: nobel prize economist said you can never go bankrupt borrowing in your own currency and so it's true
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ben_vulpes: yeah what the hell *does* it mean to be bankrupt when you can print the notes in which your loans are denominated?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24494 @ 0.00048638 = 11.9134 BTC [+] {4}
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: it means - if it means anything - that the music stops.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6112 @ 0.00048622 = 2.9718 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: sure, but that it *will* stop, or that it *has* stopped?
ascii_field: that it has.
ben_vulpes: eh so the place has a decade left before 'bankrupt' if such has meaning outside of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the place has as long as the chinese please.
mircea_popescu: a week or a century, ask mr xi.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 137.10466440 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 27 satoshi per share
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
trinque: weird.
trinque looks at logs
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300596 << for my education: what would it look like, in mircea_popescu's picture, for the poor to be properly gypped ?
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 15:13:52; mircea_popescu: but it is NEVER the case that the poor are being gypped by this. whatever the law of the land is, they're getting it back in some other form.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what would PROPERLY written perl look like ?
ascii_field: does one divide by zero just by asking this ?
ascii_field: does mircea_popescu recall his own article re: how the caveat re: treating people as cows, is that one must first make sure the entire lot actually ~is~ bovine ?
mircea_popescu: trinque they just overlapped, seems fine.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes.
trinque: yeh, looked like it went in
mircea_popescu: this is the process whereby it's made sure. as the guy describes. "deposit fraud". hey check it out, some dcs charge a set-up fee. "dc fraud". herp.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iirc thread was about fraud proper, where contract promises 'you get this back' but the response is 'haha, whatchagonnadoaboutit'
ascii_field: nobody promises to give dc setup fee back.
mircea_popescu: not my reading.
mircea_popescu: we don't have the contract before our eyes, but im willing to bet it reads "and renter to return place IN THE SAME CONDITION" which by tradition is interpreted in that locale that you pay for the fumigation after you're done in the shape of an upfront thing.
mircea_popescu: words mean nothing in and of themselves, and the pretense to the contrary is always self-serving bullshit when deployed in such contexts, "oh, i can't afford to litigate"
ascii_field: can't speak for other side of the atlantic, but over here 'security deposit' is to be returned to the tenant when he leaves, minus repair costs, the latter to be presented in writing and with receipts from repairmen
mircea_popescu: the REASON you can't afford to litigate is THAT you are making bullshit up.
mircea_popescu: and did you not get your deposit back ?
ascii_field: well, interestingly, i personally did. the last time i checked out of a flat. but knew others, who rented in same building, who did not, and without any particularly good reason other than 'landlord knew they hadn't what to sue with'
mircea_popescu: but anyway, all of this is nonsense. if IN GENERAL landlords keep the deposit, then IT IS JUST A COST. like part of the cost of renting. and if you somehow magically push this valve shut,
mircea_popescu: guess the fuck what ? rents are going to go up!
mircea_popescu: herpitty-derp.
thestringpuller: renting vs buying: a choice between two bowls of shit in the US
mircea_popescu: that's the point. that nominalism never fixed anything.
ascii_field: this - yes
mircea_popescu: well that's all it is.
mircea_popescu: "the poor never get gypped". this.
thestringpuller: either pay the government scandalous property taxes, or get butt fucked by a landlord
mircea_popescu: and "knew others" is also bullshit. you knew others in the sense of what they chose to present
mircea_popescu: \were they your slaves ? did you know them in the penis-in-colon sense ?
mircea_popescu: so then for all you know they smoked in a non-smoking place.
ascii_field: i didn't hang'em up upside-down and connect to the mains to get the truth, no.
mircea_popescu: so i'll just discount it.
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The problem. It’s not “in the industry.” It’s inside of you. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/16/the-problem-its-not-in-the-industry-its-inside-of-you/
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: back to the 'poor' thread, i can't comment re: your planet, but on mine we have no shortage of imbeciles with fat wallets and penniless erdöses
ascii_field: precisely why should the latter consider the former 'their betters' ?
mircea_popescu: because from what i hear on your planet the life expectancy of lottery winner is 3 years.
mircea_popescu: seems to be working fine.
ascii_field: smart folks don't play
mircea_popescu: not germane, is it ?
ascii_field: sure is. lottery players are drawn from the stinking-poor. while i'm describing the cultured-poor.
mircea_popescu: your desire to enact this difference is noted.
mircea_popescu: but from what i hear the "cultured poor" a la ers fare not much better.
mircea_popescu: maybe the 3 is a 7.
ascii_field: where do i go to see this ?
mircea_popescu: to the logs! remember, we were mocking him last week ?
mircea_popescu: erric raymond
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you reminded me of story of girl who sold a company in college for a couple million and then ended up overdosing the next day
ascii_field: 1) he wasn't paid in genuine money 2) i'm not convinced that he's a cultured man
ascii_field: *wasn't rich in
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller die young leave a corpse with nice tits, eh ?
ascii_field: thestringpuller: overdosed on what? caviar ?
mircea_popescu: ftr - you CAN get sick from too much caviar. and it's not fucking pretty.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2015 06:52:52; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: does engl. have a catch-term for 'fatal buggery' ?
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ben_vulpes: looks like 'dexter'
mircea_popescu: whassat ? not the cartoon ?
ben_vulpes: neat hbo show about a serial killer
ben_vulpes: works as a homicide lab tech
ben_vulpes: flesh
ben_vulpes: surprisingly resilient
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: good ol'strappado
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo methinks yo uchase way too hard. << Ah
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: Someone made a documentary about that site(looks like Brent Scott) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphic_Sexual_Horror tits girl
assbot: Graphic Sexual Horror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MumpL4 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16025 @ 0.00047671 = 7.6393 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: no inflation!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00047637 = 8.1459 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: can't you see where they take the extra money out?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00047961 = 7.1942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25020 @ 0.00048277 = 12.0789 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00048648 = 8.1729 BTC [+]
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300479 <<< this is actually what i mean, i guess i should flesh out my thoughts a bit more before mashing enter
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 13:32:37; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300354 << the problem is more in the lines of "finding excited people that aren't idiots".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes extra money ? lol.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300641 <<< sounds reasonable provided bb gives his OK
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 18:26:37; mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo, since cazalla's getting out, i figure 10 btc for his chunk should be good enough ? (what you think cazalla ?). you wanna go halves with me in it ?
mircea_popescu: alrighty i think we got an agreement there. post an addy an' we'll have a memorandum on deedbot laters.
cazalla: 19EQBR8c4yGu1g9KinfcWFydHo1M2hsJMj
cazalla: will also need to push domain to either yours or bb's namecheap, or it can remain in mine but either way
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: cazalla is going moiety ?
ascii_field takes off hat
cazalla: ascii_field, not exactly (but i do need to find a job), just want a break from everything bitcoin so i can go find something else
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mircea_popescu: yeah good idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00048648 = 6.0324 BTC [+]
shinohai: Some enterprising individuals in this area will often lift cars using cinder blocks, as if $19.99 is too much to rent a pair of jackstands and do it right.
mircea_popescu: !up hermeto
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00048648 = 6.2756 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: * Written by Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gnu.ai.mit.edu>, 1995. * * Heavily modified for GnuPG by <wk@gnupg.org> * << l0l
ascii_field: and moar,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.00048507 = 15.4495 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: The Meditative Coder: Windows corrupting UDP datagrams ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKR0Sr )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24187 @ 0.00048378 = 11.7012 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12169 @ 0.00048656 = 5.9209 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26552 @ 0.00048797 = 12.9566 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2577 @ 0.00048852 = 1.2589 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9156 @ 0.00048883 = 4.4757 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.0004827 = 5.2132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00048883 = 2.0775 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300090 << like sending your enemy rifle parts that can only be assembled to shoot backwards, into gunner.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 00:57:32; mircea_popescu: "you design and build the battleships and whatever else you feel like doing anyway you want to - we'll beat you to shit with them."
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300100 << this'd be interesting to verify personally, however anecdotally, except that i'm missing one key condition ...
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 01:01:56; mircea_popescu: "The women with depressed, unhelpful husbands did not report lower levels of marital satisfaction; rather they were maintained at high levels. One interpretation of our data was that the women's more negative memories of their fathers served the function of minimizing (or denying) their husbands' failure to be as helpful as needed. If this is all that can be expected of men, then I can no longer rec
pete_dushenski: "The husbands were observed by their wives to be less sensitive to the kids than other fathers and helped less with parenting." << seems to be a crucial one.
pete_dushenski: whereas an fathering hero is me !
pete_dushenski: thanks in no small part to my self-promotional marketing campaign, naturally
pete_dushenski: interesting article though. will definitely pass it along to the other girls. y'know, for science.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu for whom does gnu-mpi have the jacobi, legendre, kronecker, lucas knobs?! i have failed to turn up any instance of anyone ever having used them. or even tested.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 01:11:20; mircea_popescu: blame canada.
assbot: Blame Canada - South Park: Bigger Longer & Uncut (3/9) Movie CLIP (1999) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1VXCS4E )
asciilifeform can't actually think of kronecker without also thinking of cantor frothing in lunatic asylum
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5846 @ 0.0004827 = 2.8219 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: o hey i was just in calgary on wednesday
pete_dushenski: not that richard zach and i crossed paths...
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300128 << 'there is nothing either good nor bad but thinking makes it so'
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 01:24:54; mircea_popescu: there is in point of fact nothing objectively wrong with honor killings, all sorts of pretense to the contrary notwithstanding. if you can get your hands around her neck you can strangle her. or not. your option. reality has both functions loaded and ready to go and return;
asciilifeform observes that it is bidirectionally correlated with goatfucking, 1.0.
pete_dushenski: it's certainly for the type of non-intellectual who can neither reason with girl nor find alternative avenue of action through which to persuade her
pete_dushenski: it's nonverbal, maybe that's what goatfucking means ?
asciilifeform: literal fucking of goats.
pete_dushenski: well yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13549 @ 0.0004827 = 6.5401 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: this being the dominion of people for whom grunts and shouts pass for 'communication'
pete_dushenski: not polyglots who read chaucer in bed
asciilifeform: nothing to do with it:
asciilifeform: where the gurlz are sufficiently corralled, goats end up the default fuck.
pete_dushenski: lol i guess that's another angle eh
pete_dushenski: man will fuck what man can fuck
pete_dushenski: which i guess is just 'if you can, you must' re-stated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60150 @ 0.00048107 = 28.9364 BTC [-] {8}
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 263.23, Best ask: 263.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 263.48, 24 hour volume: 21906.13567276, 24 hour low: 254.91, 24 hour high: 267.83, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: !up starsoccer
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300326 << cost is high, yes. plus, giftwrapping makes people suspicious, like 'is this too good to be true?'
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 09:05:26; BingoBoingo: So far October has been an frustratingly boring part of Bitcoin. I am worried though that Qntra is crossing into its second year and people don't want a giftwrapped chance to write a first story. Is qntra insufficiently established or does this seem too much of a trap. I the cost of fucking up in #b-a seeming too high? I am confused.
pete_dushenski: same problem as bitcoin evangelising
pete_dushenski: the problem the preacher has is that he never knows who he's going to convery
pete_dushenski: convert*
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300362 << taking a break clears the mind. not totally surprising that cazalla feels this way given the hints he's been broadcasting re: moar disintrest in qntra. understandable and looking forward to seeing him back again when he's ready :)
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 09:48:04; cazalla: punkman, been a daily thing for almost 3 years for me, just grown tired of it and the conversations about it past few months, i'm not saying "bitcoin is dead" just that i'm tired of talking/reading about it after this long, feel like going to do something else for 6-12 months and looking at it then after a break
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi where you expect "foss" code without shitgnome signatures to come from.
mircea_popescu: red hat ?
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> whereas an fathering hero is me ! << this too shall pass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : historical version is historical version, whadda ya want from me.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu so will all my days, doesn't mean i'm not going to milk each and every one of them
assbot: Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GarvQ1 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you rend out iirc ?
mircea_popescu: ah yea, managed some small office building thing, i recall.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` iirc is a full fledged rentier, lives off of it
pete_dushenski: maybe it's a canadian thing ?
mircea_popescu: i on the other hand have held under lease tens of millions worth (dubviously, which is why i lease in the first place) of real estate the world over during the past decade or so...
pete_dushenski: my residential property brings in ~$6-7k/yr
mircea_popescu: i guess b-a is a very good venue to discuss the matter.
pete_dushenski: ie. not enough to live off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00047588 = 21.7001 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu fwiw you're new keyboard seems markedly worse than you old one in terms of accuracy, at least on irc if not trilema. many a spurious \\\ etc
mircea_popescu: the problem is that im using three now
mircea_popescu: and they're not exactly the same one
pete_dushenski: why three ?
mircea_popescu: well one's here, the one's playing eulora
pete_dushenski: i'm only counting two there
mircea_popescu: close enough.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-10-2015#1298016 << update: adam_obrien and i played golf this afternoon and chatted about pgp key-signing. in his excitement at discovering the command line tools, he tried out everything he could find (he's an enthusiastic kid!) and yes, signed my key. he was quite surprised to learn that this changed the key block on the sks etc servers.. fwiw
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 18:24:46; mircea_popescu: anyway, pete_dushenski : someone (o'brien) signed your key and uploaded it to one of the servers. the result is a different pubkey there.
mircea_popescu: it's no big deal really.
pete_dushenski: more curiousity, yes
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell hdbuck i think you 'withdraw your objection', rather than 'rest your case'. http://qntra.net/2015/10/uber-provides-alibi-for-armed-robbery/#comment-67516
assbot: Uber Provides Alibi for Armed Robbery | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GasnEj )
mircea_popescu: o wait, 260ish now ? tsk tsk.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu tsk tsk ?? lol like someone's been bad ?
mircea_popescu: i tyhought bitcoin was supposed to be dead etc.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300579 << is it ? canada does it too, but 'commonwealth'. how about you, cazalla ? marks or grades ?
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 14:45:54; thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if your mark is bad << what a british way to say "grade"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00047588 = 9.6128 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300614 << hey nice ! i was looking at this one a few months back as a potential victim for my rom-eng secret sauce machine. i think i might just take this translation as a more than adequate starting point, clean it up, and post it :)
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 16:17:02; gabrielradio: without further ado - http://pastebin.com/qGE3C9R0
pete_dushenski: off to dinner, cheers !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00048883 = 9.0922 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34650 @ 0.00047579 = 16.4861 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: pete_dushenski, ya know, i can't honestly remember what they're called down under (thanks for other comments too)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22827 @ 0.00047544 = 10.8529 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300865 << interestingly, they are ~not~ in the mpi seen in gpg 1.4.10... hence the 'where??'
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 00:16:36; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : historical version is historical version, whadda ya want from me.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2015#1300862 << one sees disproportionate output from drepper, esr, etc., folks who spent the past 20+ yrs walking around in search of things to infect
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 00:15:17; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi where you expect "foss" code without shitgnome signatures to come from.
asciilifeform: (normally not even for any consciously organized purpose, but out of pure narcissism and perhaps cv padding)
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2015 00:19:54; mircea_popescu: nubbins` iirc is a full fledged rentier, lives off of it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00048209 = 5.8092 BTC [+]
funkenstein_: funk_add_privkey_wallet_tools.vpatch <-- experimental patch sent to btc-dev mailing list
ben_vulpes: nowai
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: didja sign it correctly? not seeing anything
funkenstein_: i thought so but hey, you know how that goes..
ben_vulpes: armored and clearsigned body + patch + patch.sig, right?
funkenstein_: yup
funkenstein_: outgoing email source http://dpaste.com/184SVMG
assbot: dpaste: 184SVMG ... ( http://bit.ly/1jJrZSo )
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: 0.6 didn't have importprivkey...
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, well then somebody's messing with me
asciilifeform: i thought you wrote it ?
asciilifeform: or hm, nm
funkenstein_: i grabbed some source labeled 0.6.0 which had importprivkey
ben_vulpes: ye olde question of provenance
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: and how did you test ?
funkenstein_: i input a few keys.. they went into the keystore, nothing odd happened
funkenstein_: they later appeared on dumpprivkeys
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: didja send a tx ?
funkenstein_: not yet, just about to
funkenstein_: well, not synced
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00048209 = 2.7961 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up maximian
asciilifeform on first reading, thinks that the draft patch breaks key generation
asciilifeform will look again when more awake.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6215 @ 0.0004778 = 2.9695 BTC [-]
gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300433 << mircea_popescu comparing the two is pretty instructive for me, i think i got a better idea now
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 12:46:05; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gabrielradio http://trilema.com/2015/the-christian-europe-and-other-aberrant-notions/
gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300635 << thinking about it, it should have been obvious from the article
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 18:23:53; mircea_popescu: gabrielradio it's "guide for half the oral sex". see, because two sexes ?
mircea_popescu: lotta gotchas like that.
mircea_popescu: but i guess the old adage stands, that there's no better way to understand a text than to try and translate it\
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13168 @ 0.00048209 = 6.3482 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ^ now that's an interesting bit of stage magic. i suspect that the two instruments (strappado and spanish horse) cancel out
mircea_popescu: if you measure correctly you can get her to where she's not totally murdering herself on that thing. not trivial.
phf: sort of the whole point
mircea_popescu: as opposed to the whore point.
asciilifeform: bucky fuller called this 'tensegrity'
mircea_popescu: aha. it's particularly difficult in humans, because as ben_vulpes observes, flesh.
mircea_popescu: also that's probably the worst presentation for it, seeing how the shoulder articulation actually unhinges.
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20120811013032/http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2007-September/000871.html << valuables like this, one is lucky to unearth, while 10,000,001 copies of pediwikia litter the net...
assbot: bytecode interpreters for tiny computers ... ( http://bit.ly/1XajRJo )
ben_vulpes: no closed form solution for the three body solution eh?
ben_vulpes: three body problem*
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i see nobody orbiting...
ben_vulpes: orbital subset is just a subset of the general stability problems
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it ain't a '3body' unless you have 3 bodies free in motion
ben_vulpes: all bodies are in motion in some reference frame
ben_vulpes: fine it's not a three body problem its a stretchypainavoidantthing/gravity/pointything problem
asciilifeform: any other fundamental boojum, go and abuse, but this one - i felt on own skin.
ben_vulpes: what, the spanish horse?
asciilifeform: the 3-body problem.
ben_vulpes: what do you mean 'felt on own skin'?
asciilifeform: it's in the logz.
ben_vulpes: !s three body problem
assbot: 5 results for 'three body problem' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=three+body+problem
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