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BingoBoingo: "The first beneficiary of the foundation, Dorsey said via Twitter, would be Ferguson, a city that he visited during the unrest that followed the August 2014 fatal shooting of Michael Brown, 18, by police Officer Darren Wilson."
assbot: Something Has Happened to Zafgen, But What? | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6QfIF )
assbot: Zafgen’s Epoxide Adventure | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6QlA0 )
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BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/HqgnT << BMI... actually seems pretty reliable
assbot: This Is What Women With The Same BMI Look Like Side By Side ... ( http://bit.ly/1jpLMqD )
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davout: ohai all
punkman: bon dia
davout: tlp article "Academics Hide Drug Company Payments" pretty interesting, and definitely not limited to pharma
davout: kept relating it to other flavors of stupidity while reading it
punkman: might as well be "viral marketing" from the studio that runs that
assbot: Pay No Attention to the Server Behind the Proxy: Mapping FinFisher’s Continuing Proliferation - The Citizen Lab ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDdmMh )
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davout: punkman: aka "the dangers of getting asian stuff inked"
funkenstein_: http://dpaste.com/0MJK5WR <-- this noob (/me) can't figure out how that was made
assbot: dpaste: 0MJK5WR ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDfpjk )
davout: funkenstein_: what was?
funkenstein_: gpg encrypted message for "everyone"
funkenstein_: just ascii armor i guess but how to make it?
davout: looks signed and armored
davout: not encrypted
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_ punkman davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299284 will stay open for at least a few more hours if anyone wants to give it a try
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 03:18:30; BingoBoingo: Seriously if anyone wants a ready packed "My First Qntra Piece" http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail/12538849.html
assbot: dpaste: 10DHB52 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MDfROq )
davout: $11mn pre-money. lol.
davout: "when it completes its anticipated Series A funding in the first half of 2016." <<< sure.
funkenstein_: aha thanks davout, so "gpg --sign -a mytext.txt" is how it was made
funkenstein_: "For the 9 months ended 30 September 2015 Factom had gross sales of US$628,337 (resulting in a trading loss of US$358,142 for the period). "
funkenstein_: sorry Bingo I can't figure out whats going on here :P
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Story is what happened to the crowdfunders...
BingoBoingo: Already in log
davout: !s factom
assbot: 2 results for 'factom' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=factom
funkenstein_: well then those are some gross sales
davout: BingoBoingo: pls to point
BingoBoingo: davout: Crowdfunders got converted to vaporware "software licensees" not really urgent or important. Just opportunity for anyone who wants to try sharpening their vitriol.
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davout: aha, so crowdfunders supposed to get stock, but end up with worthless factom tokens
davout: so basically the first crowdsale scam is used to pimp the financial reports of the company, in order to pull off the second scam, the the seed round
davout: fucking brilliant
BingoBoingo: <davout> aha, so crowdfunders supposed to get stock, but end up with worthless factom tokens << NOt even tokens, licenses
BingoBoingo: But yeah. Easy way for someone who wants to test their outrage organ to try a qntra.
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assbot: Charles Hoskinson Critiques BitShares Technology, Adoption, Management and Respect - Beyondbitcoin.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIbuLP )
punkman: BingoBoingo: I think "software license" was there because they didn't want to say "coin"
BingoBoingo: punkman: That is a poor way to be a charitable reader.
HeySteve: I'm interested in BTS for a project to secure rental deposits using cryptocurrency
HeySteve: alternatives methods involve centralised services
punkman: BingoBoingo: the "1500 software purchasers" refers to buyers of their token sale, not the equity sale
BingoBoingo: Are you sure?
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assbot: Factom Inc. - Bringing the Blockchain to Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiCUjq )
punkman: they also sold 7.8% of their shares to a 3rd party which then sold to 406 crowdfunders
BingoBoingo: There's subtleties to this mess
punkman: whoever wrote the londonstockexchange announcement just looked at the coindesk article
BingoBoingo: Or did they write the coindesk article?
BingoBoingo: Or some other sort of inbreeding
punkman: also Factom Foundation and Factom Inc are supposedly separate entities
punkman: so I guess first token sale was done by the "Foundation", then "Inc" sold some more tokens and equity
BingoBoingo: There's a lotta scamception here, yes
BingoBoingo: But if any actual person is losing their shirt to Factom it is too late to save them.
shinohai: I still want to do a Qntra piece BingoBoingo, dunno if I can do a factom story. Wow though.
BingoBoingo: Give it a try. I'll be sleeping soon. No hurry.
punkman: shinohai: well if you go for it, here's a starting point http://blog.factom.org/post/113836562744/announcing-the-factom-software-sale
assbot: Factom — Announcing the Factom Software Sale ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiFohy )
davout: punkman: wow, the foundation vs. inc thing does sound scammy as fuck. in addition to the business model itself that is :D
punkman: this proliferation of "javascript required" blank pages is getting annoying
punkman: I think I should make a little script that does the reverse, if you have js turned on, it deletes all the page contents
assbot: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Deprecating our AJAX crawling scheme ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiGRoe )
assbot: Malleability, stress-tests and other Bitcoin problems. AMA : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiHE8H )
davout: guy rings on doorbells before running away laughing, "i can nuke your mansion"?
davout: either extremely stupid, or subtly trolling /r/buttcoin
shinohai: Trolling everyone that will listen, wasn't that the motherboard attention whore ?
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davout: shinohai: looks like it
assbot: How is NSA breaking so much crypto? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3G4h )
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jurov: "For the most common strength of Diffie-Hellman (1024 bits), it would cost a few hundred million dollars to build a machine, based on special purpose hardware, that would be able to crack one Diffie-Hellman prime every year."
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jurov: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
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davout: jurov: pretty interdasting
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assbot: Illinois lottery short on cash starts paying IOUs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7dw3h )
davout: "paying"
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mircea_popescu: o look at that, time for the monthly ddos trilema exercise in futility ?
jurov: dig qntra.net @8.8.8.8 gets SERVFAIL
jurov: from here
jurov: trilema.com same
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299295 << except we weren't discussing iceboxes, we were discussing iphones ; and "casinos" and business organizers bought on time.
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 03:22:38; asciilifeform: but how is this a cargo cult? what i'm seeing is a very small but functioning airplane
mircea_popescu: or at least i was at any rate.
mircea_popescu: jurov aha.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299303 << all soviets forever produce record productions of products.
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 03:27:48; asciilifeform: advertise 'we sold ten tonnes of meat', but no reason to mention what % is maggot
mircea_popescu: it's the thing.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299334 << hola. will be sending your thing later today!
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 08:50:46; davout: ohai all
davout: a happiness is me
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assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 09:42:48; davout: aha, so crowdfunders supposed to get stock, but end up with worthless factom tokens
mircea_popescu: sec had nothing to say on the topic.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Malleability, stress-tests and other Bitcoin problems. << "me being fat, stupid, and other problems of reality"
mircea_popescu: yeah, im totally ultra-sure bitcoin cares about all the particular way people who got their egos wounded by it misunderstand or misrepresent it.
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 14:24:03; assbot: Illinois lottery short on cash starts paying IOUs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1k7dw3h )
mircea_popescu: this isn't a scam however.
mircea_popescu: it's only a scam if not-government does it.
mircea_popescu: if government does it, it's governance.
phf: but no reason to mention what % is maggot << no reason because su had maggot % written into GOSTs. any more or less, and you're vreditel and counterrevolutionary. in america all meat has maggots because customers come to expect, unless you buy at gourmet store in which case ask specifically for "maggot free"
mircea_popescu: lol insufficient maggot in meat wrecking natl economy!
mircea_popescu: tru to life too. "he tried to make the trains wear out the rail!"
mircea_popescu: "For the nerds in the audience, here’s what’s wrong: If a client and server are speaking Diffie-Hellman, they first need to agree on a large prime number with a particular form. There seemed to be no reason why everyone couldn’t just use the same prime, and, in fact, many applications tend to use standardized or hard-coded primes. But there was a very important detail that got lost in translation between the math
mircea_popescu: ematicians and the practitioners: an adversary can perform a single enormous computation to “crack” a particular prime, then easily break any individual connection that uses that prime."
mircea_popescu vaguely remembers an obscure discussion about exponents and whatnot, which consisted of a guy asking on some derp social media sites about one of my articles, and getting an "expert" answer within hours.
mircea_popescu: much to everyone's feigned surprise, ITS THE STANDARDS, STUPID.
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assbot: D.C. church says a bike lane would infringe upon its constitutional ‘rights of religious freedom’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Msc4PA )
punkman: is it the Church of Hamplanets?
mircea_popescu: fucking bike lanes.
davout: "The parking loss would place an unconstitutionally undue burden on people who want to pray, the church argues"
shinohai: I suppose it never occurred to them to pray about it, leave it in God's hands and all.
davout: nutjobs
mircea_popescu: argentina is pretty much the only place i've seen that has the sanity to cut bike lanes out of the street. everyone seems to always cut them out of fucking sidewalks.
davout: dutch bike lanes, best bike lanes
davout: fietspads yo
davout: the netherlands, the place where they cut roads from bike lanes
mircea_popescu: i see a road and a sidewalk
davout: "Là, tout n'est qu'ordre et beauté, Luxe, calme et volupté."
mircea_popescu: and if a bunch of biking fucktards move on that sidewalk ima start carrying a billy club
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shinohai: There was a guy lived a few streets over that got locked up for throwing water-filled condoms at any Mexican that rode by his house on a bike.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: caltrops!
davout: such haet
mircea_popescu: no but i fucking hate that shit. "you know what we'll do to fix the problem of dumbass cars encroaching on pedestrian everything ? we'll make cheaper cvasi-cars so all the dumbass hipsters who can't afford a car can still get in your way"
mircea_popescu: i occasionally ~used to~ have altercation with dumbass bike derps who not only were on the sidewalk but had the unmitigated audacity to ring their dumbass bell.
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: i suppose i looked enough like i was gonna fucking kill them on the spot that they bitched and ran off each time, but hot damned i regret not having fed one his wheel.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i always found it peculiar that bicycles are permitted on normal roads where i live - but not horses
mircea_popescu: "oh, the town house painted a line on the sidewalk so it's half bycicle route now"
mircea_popescu: "ima paint a line on your ass so it's half train depot"
ascii_field: horse is faster
shinohai: I have a bike, but around here you just ride in the damned street. I only use mine downtown to *avoid* traffic
ascii_field: bicyclist causes column of cars behind him to waste far more fuel than he ever could hope to save
mircea_popescu: fuck the whole lot of them, but if im running into bikers on the sidewalk ima get hteir heads.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i must confess in this respect ba is very mp-conformant.
mircea_popescu: nice wide sidewalks, and the biking nonsense is mostly in palermo (fucktard/ustard/libtard ghetto, where the diners have no service and the girls no sense of the cock.)
assbot: Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Msdt8V )
phf: i like alleycat races..
davout: anyway, best bike, is motor bike
davout: highway's left lane, best bike lane
mircea_popescu: eh get an unicycle.
mike_c: ascii_field: bicycles don't crap in the street.
shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_lijLYuw-o <<< mircea_popescu if the were bicyclists
assbot: A Bronx Tale "now youse cant leave" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsdKbO )
shinohai: *they
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's kinda good if you think about it. ma-nure. ma, which is good...
mike_c: polyglot jokes go straight over my head :)
ascii_field: mike_c: cars (at least as seen in usa) ~do~ shit on the street
mike_c: they do, and the oil is annoying, but it doesn't smell as bad.
ascii_field: not oil
ascii_field: rubbish thrown from window
mike_c: yes, but shit metaphorically is not as bad as shit actually.
mircea_popescu: "The force for this change isn't coming from safety or ethics. Neither is it activism. If you see any group advocating influentially for change in a media they don't own or control, you can double down and split the 10s, the dealer is holding status and quo. No change is possible on someone else's dime, and if what looks like a supermodel approaches you with a microphone and a camera crew, you should run like she's Joh
mircea_popescu: nny Carcosa. On occasion what the activists think they want may happen coincidentally to align with what the system wants, and from that moment on they will be lead to believe they are making a difference, which means they're making money for someone else.
mircea_popescu: Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about
mircea_popescu: your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go."
mircea_popescu: i was looking for this, yesterday.
davout: shinohai: pretty cool
mircea_popescu: the funny thing about "groups advocating influentially in media they don't own or control" is that the famelic good for nothing hipsters propose that THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY. ie, being someone's cockpuppet is somehow worthy, whereas if trump writes "fuck you" in his own fucking magazine, that's somehow "not fair" and you know, of "lesser value".
mircea_popescu: and THEN they wanna be all "successful", or perceived as such, because hey, of the 5000 of them, one's necessarily gonna dribble in the general direction of future events by sheer happenstance - that's your successful dude!11
shinohai: davout One of teh best movies evah
mircea_popescu: If Hess has made you wonder, hmm, maybe unrestricted anonymity is bad because it gives trolls too much power, then the system has successfully used her for its true purpose: brand it as bad, to you. She is unwittingly teaching the demo of this article, e.g. women in their 20s with no actual power looking to establish themselves, who are the very people who should embrace anonymity, not to want this: only rapists and to
mircea_popescu: o-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad when you were 16 he
mircea_popescu: 'd backhand slap you right out of the glee club: "it discourages women from writing and earning a living online." Earning a living? From who, Gawker? Most of the women writing on the internet are writing for someone else who pays them next to nothing.
mircea_popescu: anyway. im done with spamming ballas before i end up with his entire collected works in the log.
ascii_field: we might already have them all in the log
ascii_field: (as with naggum)
mircea_popescu: in triplicate!
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davout: this kinda sounded familiar
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 17:27:51; mircea_popescu: oo-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad
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assbot: L'Allemagne se fâche, Volkswagen rappelle 8,5 millions de véhicules
ascii_field: and what, idiots will eagerly bring'em in for crippleware reflash ?
davout: apparently that's the plan
ascii_field: or does fr refuse citizens the sacred freedom to pollute ?
mircea_popescu: i guess we get to find out how american europeans are these days
davout: we do have occasional pollution checks
assbot: The Philippines Is Still Pissed Off That Canada Is Using It as a Giant Garbage Bin | VICE | United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFrrcb )
assbot: En Moselle, des enfants testent des fusils d’assaut dans leur école ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFsSas )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
mircea_popescu: haha what, you got a host to suggest ?
ascii_field: not presently
mircea_popescu: in other b-a news : world infrastructure is shit. in all respects, at every turn, everything.
ascii_field: ny000z at 11!
mircea_popescu: and bike is the new car.
ascii_field: mno, grinding wheel is the new car
mircea_popescu: iirc they had flying cars in the 20s, but then the socialists wanted to supress them and pretend like the street going car is the thing to get because that was all you can afford.
mircea_popescu: hitler didn't want to go for this so they invaded germany to saddam hussein him.
mircea_popescu: and now even cars are too much for the socialist derp to afford. so make way for the much "better" bike!
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 15:55:25; mircea_popescu: ematicians and the practitioners: an adversary can perform a single enormous computation to “crack” a particular prime, then easily break any individual connection that uses that prime."
mircea_popescu: this is also why we use 4096.
mircea_popescu: not so clear how much longer.
ascii_field: and, to the extent it is used as popularly imagined ('two parties with no prior relation') easily mitmable and impossible to use as intended even in principle.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we don't use dh!
ascii_field: at least ~i~ don't
assbot: Diffie-Hellman Protocol -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFyl0R )
mircea_popescu: its in ssh innit ?
ascii_field: it is traditionally in it, yes
ascii_field: but ssh is a very configurable animal.
mircea_popescu: but you're still going to use what the server can use.
ascii_field: (a civilized setup will have rsa backing on both sides)
mircea_popescu: my browser is also a very configurable animal, and the configuration mostly results in blank pages and "your site can't be used" emails.
ascii_field: i can't recall the last time i ssh'd to something which i did not either set up personally or know the keeper of in meatspace.
ascii_field: well, come to think of it, i can...
ascii_field: RIP dulap
mircea_popescu: how do you personally set up servers other than in physical proximity ?
mircea_popescu: (i'm asking to learn!)
ascii_field: one traditional method is the spot-welder school of thought.
ascii_field: (configure the box, weld, deliver to pedestal)
mircea_popescu: but you gotta be physically there.
mircea_popescu: how do you weld at a distance ?
ascii_field: you configure and weld at home.
ascii_field: then post the box.
ascii_field: (with courier, naturally)
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ascii_field: ideally, you carry it to its resting place and arm the motion sensor personally.
ascii_field: (lose keys if dislodged, etc)
mircea_popescu: is this pretty much an exercise in runaway complexity ?
ascii_field: it is an exercise in approximating a solution where no clean solution exists.
mircea_popescu: where do you buy the motion sensors ?
mircea_popescu: this happens to be THE definition of runaway complexity.
mircea_popescu: let's go at it the other way. first, historical recount :
ascii_field: i see nothing 'runaway' about it. i can personally name five vendors for piezoelectric gyro, magnetometric, etc. sensors just from my head
mircea_popescu: so we decided more or less on a lark to phuctor/s.nsa server. on the general expectation that hey, "commodified market" means you get stuff and it works and forget about it.
ascii_field: and none cost more than 20bux
mircea_popescu: it turns out that this is not true : "commodified market" actually means that there is no market - you can either not have a server and think you don't have a server ; or else not have a server and think you have a server. those two, no third and sure as fuck no having servers.
mircea_popescu: seems a little twisting the screw is in order. fine. how do we go about it ?
mircea_popescu: but reasonably, mind.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and to think, we could have carried on 'thinking we have a server' if phuctor had found nothing.
mircea_popescu: so the correct approach here would be for coloing boxes you personaly doctor and fedex to location ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what would it cost to house it in physical plant you actually own ?
mircea_popescu: i don't want to connect these, so infinity.
mircea_popescu: but this is implementation, i was discussing design
ascii_field: know anyone who might ?
mircea_popescu: who might ? dozens of people.
mircea_popescu: might is the mind killer.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ... design ?
ascii_field: as in, what to place in the crate ?
mircea_popescu: no, of the process.
ascii_field: process, much as i am loathe to admit it, would have to involve an airplane and a trip to some godforsaken pesthole.
ascii_field: because fedex is an invitation to hitler's can opener
mircea_popescu: basically, trying rto sound out a sort of "b-a best practices hardware server upbringing"
ascii_field: but iirc mircea_popescu asked for 'reasonable'
mircea_popescu: as a last ditch before going "fuck this shit, all our things are to be held on zombie computers"
ascii_field: at any rate, the procedure i suggested is only half a solution. because it merely helps to establish the fact of the betrayal ('caught man-sized figure moving near cabinet, power lost in 3 seconds'; 'chassis lost power for 10 minutes, moves three metres' etc)
ascii_field: but can do nothing else.
ascii_field: still stuck with the misery of moving from host to host.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, how about some basic skuldulgery on the boards ?
mircea_popescu: like, physically cut the races for impi or w/e bullshit.\
ascii_field: trivial
ascii_field: but there is no reason anyone should be able to get inside the box without triggering the scram.
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing. costs nothing to do, completely blows minds on the other side.
mircea_popescu: whart do you care, scram.
mircea_popescu: the point is not to protect who knows what secrets that shouldn't be there anyway.
mircea_popescu: the point is to entice the enemy into spending his shirt.
ascii_field: then my cameraball.
mircea_popescu: (something he's more than willing to do - hey, needs more budget)
ascii_field: (see ancient thread)
mircea_popescu: you want a saltwater datacenter ?
ascii_field: wouldn't that be spiffy
ascii_field: cameraball is a hypothetical device consisting of sealed pyrex sphere with two fish-eye cameras inside. charged and addressed via induction coil. contains a certain amount of eeprom, signs each frame with rsa key, which is zeroed if the glass is penetrated.
mircea_popescu: dude srsly.
ascii_field: srsly.
mircea_popescu: who's gonna watch the cameras, moiety ?
ascii_field: not real time
ascii_field: you drop a few in the crate.
mircea_popescu: stop solving the sexy problems.
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mircea_popescu: there's actual problems ripe for solving.
ascii_field: if they are molested or missing - you know the crate was.
mircea_popescu: was what ?
ascii_field: molested.
mircea_popescu: file a complaint with fedex ?
mircea_popescu: im not spending 50k in fisheye to be able to make a ten cent report.
ascii_field: camera is expensive, compared to doing nothing. cheap compared to sending men on airplanes.
mircea_popescu: is there such a thing as thermo-conducive epoxy ?
ascii_field: got a tube right here.
mircea_popescu: how much is it ?
ascii_field: (silver flakes)
ascii_field: costs about what silver costs, per g.
mircea_popescu: so if i do something like, "cut raqces, submerge board in 1U epoxy" its gonna cost me > 200 each
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: board will not function. thermoconductive epoxy is electroconductive.
ascii_field: and at any rate will add parasitic capacitance to mb traces.
ascii_field: epoxy 'potting' went out of fashion in '70s for this reason.
ascii_field pictures 'kakobreklaa' in finland
ascii_field: 'Korsuissa kamina, / siellä pelataan nakkia, raminaa, / on meillä Fritzit ja Maxit / ja Petropamaxit, juu!' (tm) (r) (1941)
kakobrekla: speaking of fish eye, i have a 183 degrees lens buried somewhere
kakobrekla: much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching
ascii_field: kakobrekla: hypothetical device in question is a small sphere, the size of golf ball
ascii_field: needs to see in all directions.
ascii_field: has no moving parts
phf: is this another one of those technical solutions for counterparty problem?
ascii_field: kakobrekla: something like.
ascii_field: preferably smaller, cheaper, doesn't even need to see in all directions if you have 50 of them in the box.
ascii_field: (use instead of packing peanuts!)
shinohai: When ascii_field gets arrested: "We got his hard drive!" https://i.imgur.com/qSPQ0RR.jpg
kakobrekla: Does ti have a countdown timer?
shinohai: I don't doubt that a real FBI agent might say the same.
ascii_field: recipe: own a crate with 10,000 eproms.
ascii_field: after your hanging, ~somebody~ will have to read'em...
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching << i wouild expect.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> Does ti have a countdown timer? << and wires sticking out.
mircea_popescu: !up brbsoup
shinohai: People try to hack anything on github: http://postopcare.github.io/
assbot: Postop (SRS) Care 101 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAs8i )
mircea_popescu: anyway if anyone had a qntra emergency...
assbot: dpaste: 1YWYXG6 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PvAYmB )
assbot: How is NSA breaking so much crypto? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3G4h )
shinohai: missed
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299703 < would you also expect this was not the case even 10 years ago
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 18:40:47; mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> much better results are obtained with taking more less wide shots + stitching << i wouild expect.
jurov: 1. how do you detect glass is penetrated? 2. they can open the package in darkness
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: jurov: both are solvable problems.
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2X9YER9.txt )
mircea_popescu: no, it's good, seriously.
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 10:27:18; punkman: this proliferation of "javascript required" blank pages is getting annoying
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 19:28:30; jurov: http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13812 today another chapter of "world goes to shit"
jurov: it started as wiki based on plain .txt files
jurov: started to use it for personal stuff
mircea_popescu: they improved it ?
jurov: after some 10 years.. you don't want to know
ascii_field: luserz 'have come to expect' js !!11
mircea_popescu: "But, yes, Foswiki is becoming more dependent on JavaScript. I doubt that this is going to change."
mircea_popescu: da fuck is wrong with them.
mircea_popescu: why, so it can compete with... 500 other implementations ?
mircea_popescu: us gotta switch to teaching strategy in school.
mircea_popescu: "Browsers without javascript aren't supported by Foswiki out of the box. We once decided to assume that nowadays everybody should have access to a sufficiantly standard browser that implements javascript. Of course this was different 15 years ago when we still had to deal with IE6 and the like. But as almost all vendors constantly move forward in web standards. So we then decided to strip off the burden of having to su
mircea_popescu: pport browsers without javascript and rapidly moved forward. "
mircea_popescu: i can't even.
mircea_popescu: my computer is not that shape or color.
mircea_popescu: and the girl's got less clothes more tits.
ascii_field: then will not work.
mircea_popescu: i need a better jewscript book
jurov: From the author of "How to accidentally" bestseller!!1
mircea_popescu: yesterday i accidentallied a router. it only took on the third stomp tho.
mike_c: sometimes javascript is useful.
mike_c ducks
mircea_popescu: did he just use javascript.duck() ?
mike_c: $(this).duck()
mircea_popescu: sorry mike, your pubic hair's now on fire. seek er.
mike_c: gotta have some jquery with your javascript
mike_c: i don't even think it'll matter much longer. html5 will present all the necessary security holes you need in plain old html
punkman: it would be nice if we could at least have a video library without remote code execution holes
mike_c: <canvas><audio><video></video></audio></canvas>
punkman: err not remote I mean
punkman: but you know, how about I can open mp4 file without getting pwned
jurov: punkman: play it on dedicated device
thestringpuller: like an ipod
ascii_field: https://secrom.com << l0l!!! this still exists?!
assbot: Portal Home - SECROM ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxIcHJ )
ascii_field: ^ classical 1990s-style cryptosnakeoil
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: The Dangers of Traveling Overseas to Fight Against the Islamic State | Public Intelligence ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxIzSw )
ascii_field: 'the US Government does not support US persons traveling overseas to combat ISIL.'
shinohai: Guess they would rather I stay home and support them.
ascii_field: support, oppose, usg's golems work either way.
shinohai is *goyim*, not golem
mircea_popescu: da fuck does that even mean, "usg does not support"
mircea_popescu: who asked them ?
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ascii_field: ianal, but the implication is 'no jail if you come home, but don't expect supplies or rescue if you're in a bind, or good pr'
assbot: dpaste: 0D7G0Q3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxJBxQ )
ascii_field: ' ISIL stickers have been identified on memorials, highway signs, and other public
ascii_field: venues in Arizona, Nevada, and Texas, according to open source analysis.'
ascii_field: oh noez.
mircea_popescu: oh there is that.
mircea_popescu: they understandably don't wanna be on the hook for every fucktard with a plane ticket.
deedbot-: [Trilema] The lulz in "dating" - http://trilema.com/2015/the-lulz-in-dating/
assbot: I never - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIWL38 )
mircea_popescu: "nor have I ever did" ?
mod6: bitcoin-0.5.4beta-libressl.log.asc gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz qemu-2.0.0.tgz
mircea_popescu: "Eu nu am fost angajat niciodata, nicaieri." i can appreciate why you went "I've never been an employee, not to anybody, not anywhere." but really english is hemingwayan. "I've never been employed." is the way to go. less is more for the saxons.
gabrielradio: indeed. got it
mircea_popescu: holy shit, "employment record book" is a thing!
mircea_popescu: i had no idea.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: afaik it was a su-only thing ?
ascii_field: or, no??!!!?
mircea_popescu: seems not.
ascii_field: where, then, else ?
mircea_popescu: "I've never signed payroll, I never held a paycheck, I've never seen the various small item salesmen visit the office on pay day nor have I ever asked for a payday loan. Wider, and more importantly, I never worked against my will. Not even as a kid, doing homework."
mircea_popescu: sumthing like that.
ascii_field: arbeit macht frei.
mircea_popescu: those guys srsly don't get enough credit, everyone stole all their shit.
gabrielradio: mircea_popescu i see. pretty straightforward, no meddling with the words
mircea_popescu: it's a fine line.
ascii_field: 'iz zis nazi lande soo goood?! we would leave it, if we could!!' (tm) (r) (donald duck)
ben_vulpes: d'aww, a newish client just sent us 3 boxes of fresh cookies
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299791 << who the hell ever heard of an employed ammonia-atmosphere-breathing dragon
assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: "Eu nu am fost angajat niciodata, nicaieri." i can appreciate why you went "I've never been an employee, not to anybody, not anywhere." but really english is hemingwayan. "I've never been employed." is the way to go. less is more for the saxons.
mircea_popescu: trilema mostly deals with the banal.
gabrielradio: !rate mircea_popescu 2 I get high on Trilema
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mircea_popescu: haha thatg's a new one.
gabrielradio: !v assbot:gabrielradio.rate.mircea_popescu.2:365fa6980f36389ab2e054244529e5e2d01d51ee1d306d607d79ab8b74be435d
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mircea_popescu: and speaking of "addiction", and pathways and whatnot :
mircea_popescu: "Ask a 20 year crack addict when was the last time they used powder cocaine. Do they miss it? Are they in withdrawal? "But crack is cocaine." No, it isn't, or else they would be using both, wouldn't they? "But crack is more potent and addictive." Then why don't cocaine adicts move over to crack? "
mircea_popescu: apparently tlp agrees, it's all bs.
ascii_field: No, it isn't, or else they would be using both, wouldn't they? << i don't follow the logic
mircea_popescu: suppose your car can run on either water or gasoline.
mircea_popescu: you never run it on water.
mircea_popescu: even if you don't have gasoline.
mircea_popescu: because ?
mircea_popescu: "there's one so-called identified pathway and 500 non miscible so-called addictions. because this is Fantasia."
shinohai: @ gabrielradio Are you the Romanian interpreter ?
punkman: cocaine addicts do move from insufflation to smoking freebase or crack
ascii_field: what's the upside of the latter vs the former ?
punkman: at least the dedicated ones
punkman: insufflation is not efficient, costs more
gabrielradio: shinohai yea
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gabrielradio: i spend a lot reading trilema, why not translate the ro articles while at it
mircea_popescu: punkman they do ?
punkman: mircea_popescu: same with heroin, you start with a sniff, then move on to smoking and finally iv
punkman: naturally everyone has his preferences
shinohai: gabrielradio: I appreciate anyone willing to tackle translations.
gabrielradio: shinohai any article in particular you want to see translated?
mircea_popescu: is this something you know from some sort of direct experience ?
assbot: Ce ma intereseaza pe mine intr-un proiect. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxMmiE )
punkman: mircea_popescu: I've seen it
punkman: dunno, I suppose in some places go straight to iv
punkman: *kids go
mircea_popescu: ok, you've seen it, but chipping heroin is one thing ; cocaine as powder and as crack is a rather different thing.
shinohai: gabrielradio: I do not speak Romanian unfortunately so I dunno :(
jurov: gabrielradio: there's supposedly very popular guide to oral sex, maybe that one?
punkman: well I couldn't tell you the difference between powder, crack and freebase
mircea_popescu: at some point the argument was that pot is a "gateway drug" for that matter. a sort of kindled theory of chem addiction i guess.
gabrielradio: lmao, why not
punkman: it can be a social gateway
mircea_popescu: punkman i can tell you the difference. it's about $1k for half-and-half.
mircea_popescu: most whores do cocaine. just, the 20somethings that do lines go for about 5x the money of the 30somethings that do crack.
mircea_popescu: which is why the derrogatory is crack whore, not snortwhore
mircea_popescu: even tho snortwhore sounds pretty fucking epic
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the difference in cost is well-known. but what of effect ?
punkman: well surely smoking packs a harder punch
mircea_popescu: until the septum ruptures you can't really spot the snorter. you really can't miss the crackhead.
ascii_field: that'd be the side-effect. but what of the effect ?
ascii_field: subjectively, to the taker
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, i never tried crack.
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ascii_field: i had a professor who confessed to having once been a crack smoker
mircea_popescu: so wha was his story ?
ascii_field: she described it in a very peculiar and scarcely believable:
ascii_field: 'it was not even enjoyable, as i smoked the pipe the only thing it was possible to think about is the next pipe'
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
mircea_popescu: i dun think it's much of a leisured passtime.
ascii_field: ended up (iirc) quitting when she divorced the fella who brought the crack.
mircea_popescu: that part's improbable as all shit, but hey.
ascii_field: actually it is this part that i readily believe
ascii_field: the 'did not enjoy' feels more of a stretch.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu does not appear to apprehend that it is in fact possible to have ZERO contact with 'the street'
mircea_popescu: you're being ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: stand up, strip nakled,. go downstairs.
mircea_popescu: you'll be in contact with the street.
ascii_field: i meant productive contact
ascii_field: as in, ability to 'score' contraband
mircea_popescu: nobody asks the crack whore.
ascii_field: but can any (female) become a 'crack whore' at will ?
mircea_popescu: and even not at will.
mircea_popescu: that;'s the thing with the street : it takes all.
mircea_popescu: that's why it's so deeply beloved, like no other thing. ultimate mother.
ascii_field: not so sure of this.
mircea_popescu: easy for you to say :)
mircea_popescu: ah man i've been waiting to hit someone with that for like two weeks.
ascii_field: i suppose this is some variant on the ru traditional 'prison is like the grave, can find room for everyone'
mircea_popescu: the executive difference being that you get sent to prison, but go to teh street.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : given that ~30 million americans are homeless AT ANY GIVEN POINT, and given that the life expectancy of the homeless is not terribly good, say 5-10 years, do compute the odds of your child being homeless during his lifetime kthx.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this is as interesting as computing the odds of being chinese.
mircea_popescu: social mobility has its unexpected drawbacks.
ascii_field: (high!!11)
mircea_popescu: you entertain the delusion that your child is like you, which is true in unmobile societies.
mircea_popescu: in the us, predicately, he is not like you.
mircea_popescu: people love to assume that means "for the better", because it briefly did and people are idiots.
ascii_field: think obama's progeny will ever hobo ?
ascii_field: perhaps. but my mind boggles at the picture of a hobo bush.
ascii_field: hobo trump.
mircea_popescu: trump IS an ex-hobo himself lol
mircea_popescu: the question wasn't about dying there.
ascii_field: anyway in usa it is a very simple matter, as described by herr orlov: near-everybody there is 2 or 3 missed paycheques away from hobo-dom.
mircea_popescu: to their great benefit.
ascii_field: but the present day crop of hobo is not evenly distributed, no.
mircea_popescu: because near-everybody there, like everywhere, is also an imbecile.
mircea_popescu: now, if only they had sane people in charge, doling out those missed paycheques.
BingoBoingo: In other news St Louis passed their 2014 homicide total today, with 2.5 months to go
assbot: The Drone Papers ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHrLKa )
gabrielradio: jurov, i think this is the one http://trilema.com/2012/cum-se-suge-pula-ghid-pentru-juma-de-sex-oral/ . next in line after the "what interests me in a project" one
assbot: Cum se suge pula - ghid pentru juma' de sex oral on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxNKSp )
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mircea_popescu: that article is lulzy - it was the 2nd most read article each month since pretty much its publishing
mircea_popescu: 3 years ago.
mircea_popescu: still is today.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 2nd ?!
ascii_field: and the 1st ?
mircea_popescu: well it varies each month\
mircea_popescu: but this - no. month by month, 2nd.
ascii_field: 'how cock is sucked'. but engl. lacks reflexive, how to ~really~ translate ?
mircea_popescu: it probably served half the teens in romania by now, if numbers have any meaning.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if they're satisfied.
mircea_popescu: "how to suck the cock" i would say.
ascii_field: but not same meaning..
mircea_popescu: se is conjunctive not reflexive
mircea_popescu: se suge = on succionne
assbot: Poll: 29% of Americans Believe Armed Revolt May Be Necessary in Next Few Years... | RedFlag News ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxOhUn )
mircea_popescu: did they ask more than 10 people (in texas) ?
ascii_field: and what if answer is 'it was necessary in 1934' ?
ascii_field: from same publication: 'How To Destroy Any Attacker In Seconds Using Only Your Bare Hands.'
ascii_field: 'This 1 Simple Trick "Fixes" Your Erectile Dysfunction.'
mircea_popescu: same in wapo.
ascii_field: it is, isn't it.
ascii_field: 'outbrain' et al.
mircea_popescu: they make like 500bux for the journalistic integritits.
mircea_popescu: "I'm putting myself on the record (not that I haven't a dozen other times on this site):
mircea_popescu: there is no inflation, if there it is two, maybe three years out at the earliest. This is massive deflation before your eyes, not even including the outstanding credit card balances and other personal loans which will never get paid, especially when the jobs start evaporating."
mircea_popescu: tlp on finance
mircea_popescu: here's a puzzling fact. in some cases, expert A in field a saying something stupid in field b not only turns me off on A, but sometimes even makes me reevaluate his expertise of field a.
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/8ecWN << Turdlicious upgrade forcing attempt
assbot: Bitcoin Core version 0.11.1 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHu6or )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile righyt here, expert C in field p says something so outrageously stupid (and it's not just one thing - all his forays into finance and investing read like he's a vocational school most likely to succeed from kharkov) in e that it's actually...endearing.
BingoBoingo: If widely deployed this change would eliminate the last remaining known vector for nuisance malleability on SIGHASH_ALL P2PKH transactions. On the down-side it will block most transactions made by sufficiently out of date software."
mircea_popescu: i think this is how it works with women and ass grabbing too.
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mircea_popescu: i doubt enforcing low-s encoding of ecdsa is avoidable.
BingoBoingo: The thing is does 0.5.X produce low-s transactions?
BingoBoingo: Power rangers are claiming this wasn't introduced until 0.9
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't but it's nutty.
mircea_popescu: the idea is, at no point should it have made anything else anyway, at least as far as anyone knew.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10388 @ 0.00047149 = 4.8978 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but yes, will need to be looked into moar.
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a28fb70e45d764e558966ba3b02bd16e02b11c14 << What they point to as the introduction of low-s encoding
assbot: Merge pull request #3016 from sipa/lows · bitcoin/bitcoin@a28fb70 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHuMKF )
mircea_popescu: you see, it's a probabilistic thing.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what negating if odd does anyway.
mircea_popescu: but you're right, it was even S before.
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ascii_field: nobody asked me, but letting the enemy spray his relevance-piss-pheromone on the thing is far more of a nuisance than the existing malleability.
ascii_field: which afaik is harmless to anyone who isn't a moron
BingoBoingo: Relay looks like it could become problematic
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it has this pr stink to it.
ascii_field: the way i see it, usg continues in the effort to force folks off classical clients
ascii_field: and into the holding pen.
mircea_popescu: you know it's a trivial fix for trb also.
ascii_field: yes but imposed.
ascii_field: and 'what if pogos had been poured into cement already'
ascii_field: there is no known end to the supply of these.
mircea_popescu: but the reaosn they weren't is specifically that we knew that it's early.
mircea_popescu: i dun see it's imposed by anything but the dubious quality of code writing employed throughout this project.
ascii_field: for so long as openssl, bdb, are in the mix, the bug mine is bottomless.
mircea_popescu: in any case : the actual significance of this switch in crypto terms could benefit from a review.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: for perhaps the first time, i remind mircea_popescu to think of the political, and not vice-versa
ascii_field: if this is an actual flaw, it ought to be fixed in a way which marginalizes and lowers into pederasty the phoundation, rather than legitimizes it.
mircea_popescu: specifically ?
ascii_field: if i had 'specifically' i would be submitting the patch now.
ascii_field: will have to (shudder) ~think~.
mircea_popescu: more importantly : the entire malleability / bip 62 / sipa chjanges (such as linked) are 2013 material.
jurov: ascii_field: can i read that like you will reject any patch that resembles anything from members or people affiliated to phoundation or "dev team"
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ascii_field: jurov: not precisely
mircea_popescu: seems a bit excessive.
ascii_field: jurov: if you recall, i began with a backport of the orphan fix
ascii_field: jurov: do you play go ?
ascii_field: familiar with jp terms 'sente' and 'gote' ?
jurov: no
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ascii_field: dunno how much sense this will make to a nonplayer
ascii_field: my point was that we do not want to be in the position of answering the enemy in real time.
ascii_field: and on his terms.
jurov: well, then we can end with turdball like gcc (due to rms' political reasons discussed here recently)
ascii_field: we already have the turdball
ascii_field: ftr, i do not believe that it has a long-term future.
ascii_field: recall why i asked nubbins` for the book!
jurov: !s relish impossible
assbot: 1 results for 'relish impossible' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=relish+impossible
mircea_popescu: the real time thing fails, ftr.
mircea_popescu: we had a discussion about how bip 62 is not particularly controversial last spring iirc.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Carl Mark Force IV To Be Sentenced Monday, Prosecutors Request 87 Months Imprisonment - http://qntra.net/2015/10/carl-mark-force-iv-to-be-sentenced-monday-prosecutors-request-87-months-imprisonment/
mircea_popescu: o hey not bad, guy gets to go to costa rica hang out with the other lamers on "what's left after divorce" budget
BingoBoingo: Seriously
mircea_popescu: in any case, i see little value in the political thinking proposed. im not even sure it's all that political.
mircea_popescu: but the way which, whether it delegitimizes anything or not, nevertheless serves bitcoin, to do the switch, is by making sure that the proposed solution actually is a good solution for the proposed problem. there's a lengthy history of narrow, poorly tho9ught out, unreviewed and borderline nonsensical "solutions" that had to be reforged and then re-reforged, even 3-4-5 passes.
mircea_popescu: so in that sense... if there's a superclass fix, and we find it, good. if not, entrenching around this seems a waste of time.
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mircea_popescu: heck, the guy's pull request got, rather symptomatically, 0 comments.
mircea_popescu: on github. the thing is social media for derps. they comment because their food is late, there.
BingoBoingo: Oh, of course Gavin had to refactor key.cpp so changes we might want to play with now are in a practically different language.
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mircea_popescu: this is actually a good thing
mircea_popescu: it will readily expose dumbassery.
BingoBoingo: All sorts of changes appeared to happed to key.cpp between 0.7 and 0.9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14959 @ 0.00047425 = 7.0943 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo am dissapoing in dooglus https://archive.is/dsVVv
assbot: dooglus comments on Bitcoin Core version 0.11.1 released. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsFP2R )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00047737 = 5.8 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00047806 = 10.8998 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7496 @ 0.00048003 = 3.5983 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: holy shit netsp[lits
BingoBoingo: Been a while since one like that
asciilifeform: and this is the 4th or so, on my end, in 3 days.
asciilifeform: so what i actually sat down at the console to say was...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a theory re: one possible reason why enemy might be interested in altering sig format
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd be: to nuke pre-loaded sigs (e.g., dead-man switch systems, or otherwise secreted.)
asciilifeform: *pre-loaded tx-en, that is
mircea_popescu: at no point was the promise made that one can rely on pre-loaded tx
asciilifeform: now this is true.
mircea_popescu: it'd be nice if that functionality was available. it eminently is not. tough and who doesn't like it knows how to get in the wot and start crac kin.
mircea_popescu: maintaining backwards compatibility is one thing, maintaining backwards delusionality is another thing.
asciilifeform: now if all you have is this kind of tx, you can trivially transform it into one that is legal per the patch linked earlier
mircea_popescu: but you'd still have to do the transform.
asciilifeform: which doesn't actually do anything random bozos can't already do to your tx.
asciilifeform: but yes, if you buried the tx-shooter in cement at the bottom of the mariana trench, it will suck
mircea_popescu: (this is really why this is such a triviality. so min er x no longer accepts old style txn ? costs fifty cents to put a muxer in between)
asciilifeform: anyway, as far as i can see the suggested tweak is harmless. who wants to write the patch, can.
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is, what is the mathematical significance of narrowinfg the S space.
mircea_popescu: because i don't now, as i didn't in 2013, understand this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that the operation takes place after the act of signing properly speaking.
mircea_popescu: its not that i suspect the holy grail is spirited there. i just don't grok what it does is all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a 'don't care' value, one bit's worth. the proposed tweak abolishes it.
asciilifeform: 'malleability' vector - any idiot can, presently, flip it, and both variants compute as valid sig.
mircea_popescu: why is there an unused byte ?
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell - unused sign bit.
mircea_popescu: for that matter splitting a 31 bit paload in a 32 bit envelope into "odd/even" or "upper/lower" is, intuitively, the same damned thing. or should i say "from a theoretical, numeric persepective". why does it make a difference ?
mircea_popescu: and yes, unused sign bit. but why.
asciilifeform: 'because openssl'
asciilifeform has been sitting and trying to ascertain precisely 'why'
mircea_popescu: no see, i know that. but these are really bullshit answers obviously.
asciilifeform: the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители
mircea_popescu: i mean yes, it DOES seem to be simply miserable typing in openssl, they have nfi what ints even are over there
mircea_popescu: almost like it's coded in c++
asciilifeform: l0l aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no see, that's the beauty of it. yes that's right, and it never occured to me before that could be a good thing.
asciilifeform: good thing?!
mircea_popescu: "you design and build the battleships and whatever else you feel like doing anyway you want to - we'll beat you to shit with them."
mircea_popescu: now that's power.
mircea_popescu: of an awesome nature never before seen.
mircea_popescu: "you set the chess table any way you want and it's checkmate in 3."
asciilifeform will be more excited after the checkmate
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители << It gets worth Anytime I look at something interesting comparing between 0.5-0.7 and 0.9 and later at some point Gavin has refactored every fucking thing into a different retarded language that is precisely NOT the Bitcoin dialect of C++
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 0.8+
asciilifeform: but to some extent earlier.
mircea_popescu: here's a nice tidbit for the fathers in audience :
asciilifeform: hence 0.5.3
mircea_popescu: "The women with depressed, unhelpful husbands did not report lower levels of marital satisfaction; rather they were maintained at high levels. One interpretation of our data was that the women's more negative memories of their fathers served the function of minimizing (or denying) their husbands' failure to be as helpful as needed. If this is all that can be expected of men, then I can no longer recall my father so po
mircea_popescu: sitively!"
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Recollections Of Your Parents Before And After You Have Children ... ( http://bit.ly/1X82rxd )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 0.8 had the big blockchain handling change yes, but 0.8 to 0.9 transition had mega refactoring
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shinohai: Thank God I do not have children.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00048003 = 2.9282 BTC [+]
shinohai: "But simultaneously, the act of reinterpretation changes us." <<< No shit. Read the instruction manual for #b-a and see how you feel about bitcoin in 6 months.
mircea_popescu: god generally works on the conception angle. thank the women if anybody.
shinohai: God only wants you to have sex if it is explicitly for the act of procreation, or so I have been led to believe.
mircea_popescu: blame canada.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00048003 = 16.441 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Reality is too boring, and world events too complex, too overwhelming, and, frankly, too not about me. We want entertainment, diversions, that look enough like social policy analysis that we don't feel too guilty discussing them ad nauseum. We want masturbation that looks like work. "
mircea_popescu: word. wants a) masturbation but b) that looks like work. there, el consumidor, fully described.
shinohai: I'm guilty of that.
mircea_popescu: ofcourseyouare.
mircea_popescu: this is like "earth is carbon based so species there are probably breathing oxigen and retaining water" "i'm guilty of that". doh ?!
shinohai: Do you know how many people, at least in my area, absolutely refuse any type of introspection. Then my statement might not seem so out of place.
shinohai: "I'm fine, B. Your problem is you need to get saved and accept Jesus in yer life."
mircea_popescu: ah, it didn't feel out of place. it was just... you know, trying to point out this is a very bad measuring stick. "fish is wet" well... it'd better be.
mircea_popescu: NOT being guilty of that probably scores you high for psychopathy or some shit, because that's the thing with socialization : being a very far outlier in your environment, even if you are right by some measure, still makes you a very far outlier.
asciilifeform: what would this even look like ?
asciilifeform: the not-being...
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: "My daughter deserved to die for falling in love" ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8xzZ2 )
mircea_popescu: usian is very taken aback at the both common and perfectly reasonable [in its context] practice of killing young women that get out of line.
mircea_popescu: there is in point of fact nothing objectively wrong with honor killings, all sorts of pretense to the contrary notwithstanding. if you can get your hands around her neck you can strangle her. or not. your option. reality has both functions loaded and ready to go and return;
mircea_popescu: ballas decides "the guy is narcissist". this is about as clever as discussing the rotator splint of wild geese. "hey, they're flying, right ? gotta have rotator splint, it's what you call the collar bone"
mircea_popescu: geese don't have collar bones.
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mircea_popescu: if i had to guess - and i can do no better than guess, da fuck i know - i'd imagine the celebrated "what a nigger wants is loose shoes, tight pussy and a warm hole to shit in" is a lot closer to what that guy [pars pro toto] wants than "masturbation that looks like work".
mircea_popescu: for one thing he doesn't even have a conception of work whatsoever.
shinohai: The "loose shoes" comment reminds of a very racist joke, kek
mircea_popescu: ;;google earl butz
gribble: Earl Butz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz>; The infamous quote that revealed Earl was a bigoted Butz-hole…: <http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2009/09/earl-butz-three-things-loose-shoes.html>; Earl Butz Mouths Off - Rolling Stone: <http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/rolling-stones-biggest-scoops-exposes-and- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: (execuytive summary - guy who ended jefferson's idea of agriculture and planted the seeds for hfcs in every meal)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> geese don't have collar bones. << Surefire sign Geese are all Mayogendered
BingoBoingo: I mean they even all only have cloacas
mircea_popescu: one of the better jokes in veterinary school, head prof goes in eager beaver pathology class, "i'll put one case to you boys... suppose my horse gets a fractured collar bone. what do you do ?"
BingoBoingo imagines cloaca creation surgery becoming popular in USia in the coming decades
mircea_popescu: "tetanos shots!" "blablabla!"
mircea_popescu: "why not call the natural history museum, offer them the first horse with a collarbone."
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brg444: has anyone here had a look at "Confidential Transactions" ?
assbot: elementsproject.github.io/confidential_values.md at master · ElementsProject/elementsproject.github.io · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1jrLdg0 )
BingoBoingo: brg444: Honestly I think we are too busy just trying to fucking make "standard transactions" work
brg444: fair enough
BingoBoingo: But if got ideas go ahead an dump them here
brg444: !search sidechains
assbot: 43 results for 'sidechains' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sidechains
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5158 @ 0.00048065 = 2.4792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7348 @ 0.00048085 = 3.5333 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00048072 = 4.1582 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell brg444 have you considered reading codes in sets of 5?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: So, did you write up that thing or is it not news?
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 01:11:05; shinohai: God only wants you to have sex if it is explicitly for the act of procreation, or so I have been led to believe.
BingoBoingo: Because sexing is fun
BingoBoingo: Or else, why anal?
danielpbarron: exactly. why anal?
danielpbarron: why not goat?
BingoBoingo: (Because blowjobs promote procreation by modulating immune response)
BingoBoingo: Anal, because tighter, more stimulating
danielpbarron: i can't imagine it gets more stimulating than a real live fertile womb in which you can grow a baby
BingoBoingo: (Under the immune modulation theory oral sex is never actually technically sodomy for promoting conditions favorable to pregnancy)
danielpbarron: anything else seems like weird fetish to me
BingoBoingo: Have you considered doping your imagination moar?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00048086 = 9.1844 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: what is that? drugs?
BingoBoingo: Fertile womb and floppy loose roast beef vagina can co-exist
BingoBoingo: Maybe drugs, maybe dehydrated fasting spirit trip in the woods
danielpbarron: i've done plenty of drugs
BingoBoingo: Lots of ways to prime brian in the skull's creativity
danielpbarron: even in the woods
BingoBoingo: But if we are merely considering a potentially viable womb all of a sudden 2/3 of the Mayogendered will plead fertile
danielpbarron: obesity leads to hell
BingoBoingo: Glad to hear you concurr on that point.
BingoBoingo: Though hell comes early for them, don't have to wait for the next life even.
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