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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes keep the blog posts acomin' please !
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Supply's down, demand's up, better get the state involved! ... ( )
pete_dushenski: << calling them 'patients' gives me the creeps for some reason. maybe it's because i just read 'one flew over the cuckoo's nest' and have lobotomising mental hospitals on my mind..
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:07:23; asciilifeform: intimidation of chumps, as in 'lie detector', will take care of two thirds of the 'patients'
pete_dushenski: still haven't seen the movie with nicholson et al. but it's supposed to be a decent flick, if not the most accurate of transpositions
pete_dushenski: << this identification issue is quite the hot button item in canadian federal politics atm, mostly surrounding the use of the niqab by new immigrants during citizenship swearing-in ceremonies.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:09:50; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fingerprints were 'debunked' in the 1900s
pete_dushenski: the commie pretty much hung himself last week in saying that he'd defend niqabists. the incumbent conservative told the pakis to pack their bags, essentially affirming that this is a christian country with christian values
pete_dushenski: i should say, 'one of the commies', there are two main commie parties in canada : 'new democratic party' and 'liberal party'
phf: pete_dushenski: i don't know how successful kesey was at capturing the mind of a schizophrenic, but he certainly was good at relaying an inner state of an acid head. the movie is something else entirely, but still great, since it's basically jack nicholson playing his only role at his best.
pete_dushenski: but harper (conservative incumbent) is essentially correct, so no huge shock that he's increased his lead in polls. it's his to lose and he hasn't tripped up yet. not bad after a decade in power, really.
pete_dushenski: phf: kesey definitely sells the acid angle.
pete_dushenski: and i'll take your word for it on nicholson. strangely, i've only seen him in 'batman', 'anger management', and 'the departed', which were all when he was older. past his prime clearly.
pete_dushenski: i guess batman was 1989 but god help me if i can remember that movie
pete_dushenski: i was but a wee lad.
phf: it's my favorite batman :) there's a word in russian, kapustnik, which is basically a movie or a festival, where a bunch of strong and famous performers get together to ham it up for fun
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phf: i rewatched it recently, and it's one of those movies that's awesome when you're 12, and then you see just how bad it is, when you're past your 20s
pete_dushenski: phf: seems like the majority of woody allen movies fall into the 'kapstnik' camp
pete_dushenski: kapustnik*
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 20:20:41; ben_vulpes: no, they won't do anything to anyone cheating emissions tests.
phf: oh that makes sense, i've never thought of his movies that way, but he'd obviously be familiar with the form, being konigsberg
pete_dushenski had to look up 'konigsberg', found that it's both a baltic port city ~and~ woody allen's pre-filmstar surname
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pete_dushenski: << this was the 'is it corn-free ?' article the other day.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:21:42; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use. << right right. cholesterol is bad for you except its good for you and salt is bad except its good and hey, as long as they got "science" what difference does it make that they're 100% consensused on opposite things every 30 years.
pete_dushenski: 99% science-free prosecution ! guaranteed or your money back !
phf: but anyway nicholson in his early carrier basically has only one character, there's the pure form of that character in one flew..., there's the scary version in the shining and there's the funny version in the witches of eastwick, if you watch these three movies you'll be basically experience the entire nicholson acting range :>
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:48:18; kakobrekla: high expectations are problematic for any movie
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pete_dushenski: << bahaha of course all the derps in newspapers and whatever else won't shut up about 'the martian' and how it's 'so wonderful' and 'just as good as the book' that they obviously haven't read.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:42:49; phf: went to a movie theater to see The Martian. i only ever watch movies when in-wot recommend something enough, so i didn't realize how bad a movie can be, and this was one of the worst movies i've ever seen. snl "you can do anything" skit done with a straightface.. in space! but anyway, they've replaced all the regular rows, with reclining sits, and you can push the button for the sit to recline. i was
pete_dushenski: i had the same overhyped vibe from 'interstellar', which was pointedly atrocious.
pete_dushenski: maybe if you were completely unfamiliar with the scifi genre, such as it is (asimov, heinlein, clarke, etc.) then it might pass the sniff test. but good god did i find it offensively bad. just spoonfeeding the viewer like they were fresh out of the womb.
pete_dushenski: after 'interstellar', which i didn't even pay to see !, there's no way i'd see 'the martian', free or not.
pete_dushenski: that's MY 3 hours, goddamit.
phf: same issue with the martian. a mix of obsessive askreddit style scientism with startrek handwaiving, lots of things explained through exposition dialogue, lots of feel good "america! nasa! feelings!". zero value as a movie. i mean, there's an underdog character who Figures It Out and then he can be a complete aspy to The Big Boss, because he's now recognized as an authority
pete_dushenski: ya sorta figured as much. if i wanted a propaganda movie i'd watch triumph des willens again.
pete_dushenski: but hey, showing hitler's 1935 classic wouldn't break box office records for the umpteenth billion time this year... or would it ?
phf: thing is, unless bad scifi movies, where you have plot, babes and action, this is clearly targeted at the new nerds. like agile consultants at web startups, who follow nasa twitter? ain't no way this nation ever getting to mars, is my conclusion from watching this movie.
phf: *unlike bad
pete_dushenski: the kind for whom a pilgrimage to mecca is visiting comic-con in california, yes
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assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 00:58:15; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new. << un minimo respeto por el imbeciliator! argentina no es un pais pobre porque es rico en recursos umanos.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 01:11:38; asciilifeform: say, 'i want to live only with folks who graduated with science degrees before 2010'
pete_dushenski: though why you'd want to specifically live next to the idjits like me too stubborn not to drop out, i dunno
pete_dushenski: i think selecting for science/engineering drop-outs (2+ years, not 1 week) would be more fruitful.
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assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 01:15:03; mircea_popescu: only ppl with science degrees after 2010 ? my degree is fucking philosophy.
assbot: The Devil’s Dictionary of Post-Crisis Finance ... ( )
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assbot: 45yo EM Physician Reflects Back Upon 4.0 GPA in College While Manually Disimpacting Patient | GomerBlog ... ( )
pete_dushenski: Next he was handed a chart to begin assessing his next patient for a chief complaint of “left eyebrow pain for 10 minutes”." << lolz.
pete_dushenski: the joys of being in a servile profession.
pete_dushenski: << arhentina is, like, the saddest place on earth. seriously, world vision should do their next film shoot there.
assbot: I do ... not really: young Argentinians spurn real weddings for fake ones | World news | The Guardian ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "sham ceremonies offer unparalleled chances to meet new potential partners. “It’s easier to meet someone at a fake wedding,” says Boniface. “I’d walk up and introduce myself as a cousin of the groom, and the girls immediately fell into their role. It’s like a game everyone joins in.”" << no es un pais pobre, es un pais de jugadores !
pete_dushenski: coming to a norteamericano dance hall near you in 2025
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assbot: Why is Stoicism Having a Cultural Moment? — EIDOLON — Medium ... ( )
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punkman: oh and they have an institute
assbot: The Paideia Institute ... ( )
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punkman: from fake wedding link: “It all started two years ago with a group of friends: we realized we hadn’t been to a wedding in a long time because hardly anybody is getting married anymore,” << and this was a problem that needed fixing????!!
punkman: "A typical “fake wedding” hosts about 600 or 700 paying guests" * $50 = $30k, say the venue charges $25 per head, that's a lot of pesos leftover
punkman: "Hired actors play the bride, groom and a surprise third party: a spurned lover or secret boyfriend who arrives “unexpectedly” – and with dramatic results."
punkman: I guess that's fun if you are into soaps
fluffypony: this sounds like a dumb version of those murder mystery dinners
punkman: I'd go if the theme was "rosemary's baby" or something
assbot: Coming Soon From China: A $400 Million Bonanza for U.S. Startups - WSJ ... ( )
punkman: "[$400m] will be doled out slowly, however, says Mr. Ravikant, so as not to overwhelm the market. In the first year, AngelList will disperse about $20 million of the money, ramping up to $50 million a year in subsequent years." and "on a recent trip to China, two different limited partners each offered him $500 million, but “we’re limited in how much capital we can absorb,”"
punkman: I don't understand this
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jurov: punkman imo the keyword is "burn rate"
punkman: jurov: but why did he turn down a billion from the chinese?
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deedbot-: [] Les remittances en questions -
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danielpbarron: << for a movie it's alright, but not such a great transposition; the whole thing about "the combine" is omitted
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:06:28; pete_dushenski: still haven't seen the movie with nicholson et al. but it's supposed to be a decent flick, if not the most accurate of transpositions
trinque: ah there it is
assbot: cascadian hacker ... ( )
deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] a tour of bitcoind booting to its first thread -
deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] excising DNS lookups from bitcoind: asciilifeform's patches -
deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] Supply's down, demand's up, better get the state involved! -
deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] dakota french toast, fried bananas and salad -
danielpbarron: I don't know about this "acting range" of nicholson, but Chinatown is a great film staring him
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assbot: Strategic Voting 2015 Canadian Federal Election | don’t make a statement, make a difference ... ( )
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mircea_popescu goes to check out ba log, types lol. is surprised nothing comes up. fixes to log. gets the log.
mircea_popescu: apparently my brain decided to cut to the chase, what "log", you're clearly going for the day's lols!
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jurov: punkman: they are aiming for certain burn rate extent. anything below *and above* it won't cut it
jurov: i learned that thanks to reptilia and his sauna conference :D
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mircea_popescu: o you were there ?
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jurov: nooo, only read the fallout
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hdbuck: good day mircea_popescu
hdbuck: i’ve been researching mpex stocks, through btc-alpha mostly and mpex, but the informations seems divergent as per the divs distributed
jurov: yes, mircea himself has problems sometimes :)
hdbuck: why woudl the info on mpex says 132.98367617 BTC on 18-09-15//Per share: 26 satoshi. but the latest monthly statement says Profit : 274.20932881 BTC
hdbuck: maybe i missed something
mike_c: not all the shares are on mpex
mike_c: so not all the profit is distributed there as dividends
hdbuck: what is the ratio then?
mike_c: depends on the stock
thestringpuller: for mpex it's 1 bn - some_public_number here
thestringpuller: in terms of shares
thestringpuller: mpoe has 1 bn total shares
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00048689 = 2.8483 BTC [+]
hdbuck: ah i see, any chance you would update them on btc-alpha? also volumes would be appreciated.
mike_c: update what?
mike_c: for mpex it's 50/50.
hdbuck: ok
mike_c: what were you asking me to update on btcalpha?
thestringpuller: it's 50:50 already?
thestringpuller: the plan is almost complete...
hdbuck: the ratio of mpex shares that get divs
mike_c: they all get divs :)
mike_c: see, half of s.mpoe shares are on mpex, so dividends are paid there.
mike_c: the other half are *not* on mpex, and the dividends are paid elsewhere.
thestringpuller: i didn't realize 500 mn shares were public
thestringpuller: "public owned"
hdbuck: i see, so the other half being hold by mp right?
mike_c: they aren't. mircea has a mpex account too
thestringpuller: mike_c: guess I have to add up the shares sold by owner based on trilema
mike_c: the other half held by mp in case of mpex, yes
hdbuck: alright, thank you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118041 @ 0.00048716 = 57.5049 BTC [+] {3}
hdbuck: also, as i understand trading via irc allows mpex to be more resilient, woudltn it be nice tho to make a more user friendly website for, say more advertizing > traffic > trades > revenues ?
mike_c: that's what coinbr is for
mike_c: talk to jurov if you don't like the logo
hdbuck: yes, i just created an account there, but i mean, i’d personally argue it lacks some charts, no offense tho.
thestringpuller: hdbuck: that's why btcalpha mpex tools exists for atm?
thestringpuller: mike_c: put the best charts up there
hdbuck: thestringpuller yes sure, i understand, i’d still value some trade volumes to estimate the liquidity of the stocks there
mike_c: i could add volumes
mike_c: i'll add it to the todo list
hdbuck: thx ::)
hdbuck: anyway, been a long time since i lurked, i think you guys are quite outsmarting the corporatist wannabes, and i like the sorta outraging honesty approach. so thanks.
thestringpuller: hdbuck: didn't you contribute to qntra tho?
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hdbuck: thestringpuller yes very humbly
hdbuck: and with the assistance of bingoboingo :)
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mircea_popescu: <hdbuck> maybe i missed something << only half the shares get actually traded.
mircea_popescu: see teh contracts.
hdbuck: mircea_popescu got it, ty, while im still at it, maybe you could enlighten me as therealbtf client.. how am i supposed to make it work?
mircea_popescu: well specifically what problem are you running into ?
hdbuck: well, im not even sure where to start with ^^
thestringpuller: rotor pretty much builds the static on anything...
mircea_popescu: you should probably start with the mailing list.
mircea_popescu: ;;google the real bitcoin foundation
gribble: The Bitcoin Foundation: <>; The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation: <>; Bitcoin Foundation News - CoinDesk: <>
mircea_popescu: << i thought that was in "as good as it gets".
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:12:18; phf: pete_dushenski: i don't know how successful kesey was at capturing the mind of a schizophrenic, but he certainly was good at relaying an inner state of an acid head. the movie is something else entirely, but still great, since it's basically jack nicholson playing his only role at his best.
mircea_popescu: tho he does a lot of these "actual old/wounded male interacting with fucktarded us women" things.
mircea_popescu: i forgot what the one is where he fucks a woman's twennysomething daughter and then ends up marring the woman.
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mircea_popescu: << minus the strong actors. what, b lister mia farrow ?
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:20:24; pete_dushenski: phf: seems like the majority of woody allen movies fall into the 'kapstnik' camp
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:29:18; phf: but anyway nicholson in his early carrier basically has only one character, there's the pure form of that character in one flew..., there's the scary version in the shining and there's the funny version in the witches of eastwick, if you watch these three movies you'll be basically experience the entire nicholson acting range :>
assbot: Young Frankenstein on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:35:59; pete_dushenski: that's MY 3 hours, goddamit.
mircea_popescu has to date walked out on > 80% of performances in buenos aires, of all kinds.
mircea_popescu: and the ones where i stayed it was mostly because table and alcohol.
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mircea_popescu: << google did that for a decade. it worked.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 05:02:06; pete_dushenski: i think selecting for science/engineering drop-outs (2+ years, not 1 week) would be more fruitful.
mircea_popescu: for a decade.
mircea_popescu: << that's not the problem, i don't need you to let me in. the problem is that you don't have the means to distinguish between one "humanities" and another humanities. that's the fucking problem. you can sort out a bad engineer in all of five minutes, just ask pointed questions.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 05:05:08; pete_dushenski: << ok. we'll let philosophisers in too :P
mircea_popescu: but do you let lacan in ?
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deedbot-: [Trilema] So... is it a virus ? -
mircea_popescu: << eh this is a thing in romania/eastern europe too. they do a summer festival over in the student quarter, let kids marry for a day.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 06:35:13; pete_dushenski: "sham ceremonies offer unparalleled chances to meet new potential partners. “It’s easier to meet someone at a fake wedding,” says Boniface. “I’d walk up and introduce myself as a cousin of the groom, and the girls immediately fell into their role. It’s like a game everyone joins in.”" << no es un pais pobre, es un pais de jugadores !
mircea_popescu: it's a european festival thing with ancient tradition, if you will.
mircea_popescu: << china likes us start-up culture and its effects. "never interrupt enemy when making a mistake". traditionally you wouldn't have the gall to pointedly help him, either, but i think mr xi correctly inferred ustardian head too far up ass to even notice.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 08:29:48; punkman: I don't understand this
mircea_popescu: "The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it. "
mircea_popescu: seems the two parties are finding an amiable solution. win-win as they say : china is more than happy to own the ground, and us is more than happy to continue pretending indefinitely.
mircea_popescu: this is practically rome conquering greece. tho im kinda curious to see if the us actually has in it anything OTHER than byzantium.
mircea_popescu: "The final piece of the puzzle is a bonkers fiscal environment driving capital misallocation on a scale that tiny shot-pulling brains simply cannot wrap themselves around. Take Adam, Bill, and Charlie: three young men who all attended Harvard together, and went into finance seperately."
mircea_popescu: me likes the way ben_vulpes's stylistics is distilling itself over time.
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how much DO tickets actually cost ?
mircea_popescu: (thing is amusingly reminescent of how various people keep asking me what i pay in rent and expect a number. as if that's how it fucking works, somehow.)
mircea_popescu: so i started on that medium article, by the 2nd paragraph i was skimming, by the 8th or so i bailed. i guess not the demo.
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mircea_popescu: "However, not all women are the target demo of Randi's lip synching, the CEO of General Dynamics is a woman, I think she has a higher security clearance than the entire Senate, and I know for a fact she builds alien spaceships, why not interview her about how she uses social media to promote her brand and make connections and break ceilings? Because there's no Like button for hard work or triple integrals, which is do
mircea_popescu: ubly interesting because calculus was invented to make hard work easier."
mircea_popescu: fucking ballas. he's like this crazy drug addled chick you knew when you were a teen and STILL catch up with occasionally because hot damn...
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how is rent not a scalar?
mircea_popescu: retail is for suckers.
mircea_popescu: " I'll grant that there is some level of bonding that occurs between women over baby pictures, worth exploring later, but not for men: men will only (and rarely) show photos of their children doing something, the activity is what represents the kid as kid and them as a parent. Showing a man a baby picture is equivalent to showing a woman a picture of his car. "A #baby is more important than a car, dontcha think?" Ye
mircea_popescu: s, but a picture of a baby isn't more important than a picture of a car. "Yeah, but--" I know. Logic is mean. "
ascii_field: << now we know that mircea_popescu pays in vector.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 15:36:41; mircea_popescu: (thing is amusingly reminescent of how various people keep asking me what i pay in rent and expect a number. as if that's how it fucking works, somehow.)
ascii_field: (tensor?!)
mircea_popescu: haha. fingers in doorway is a tensor right ?
ascii_field: !s tenser, said the tensor
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phf: "how do i put it in the terms you understand? an apartment for $300 a month. -- whoa! how do i get that? -- sure, so 5 apartments in this building, 7 year contract, i'll give you a 25% discount, that'll be $94.5k. my secretary will give your secretary ach routing details."
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ascii_field: i hear it's even cheaper if you inherit it...
mircea_popescu: or, as it more often the case "you know, i still owe you on that grain deal. if only you actually wanted any of the shit i have." "well actually i'm moving to argentina" "omfg yes. would you like an apartment ?"
mircea_popescu: now go, compute the cost of rent. as a scalar.
mircea_popescu: by the time you're done alf will have done his routing by hand.
ascii_field: just like computing stalin's rent.
mircea_popescu: that'd be more like imputing.
mircea_popescu: incidentallty, this is why "corruption" aka elite networks are both a needed as well as an efficient control on capitalism.
mircea_popescu: by making the mathematical approach to many pricing problems unfeasible, they prevent undesirable mechanization.
ascii_field: why (at least in this case) undesirable ?
mircea_popescu: unintentionally and approximately, by sheer accident, providing the effect of
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 00:33:45; asciilifeform: << yes!!
mircea_popescu: otherwise derps will go right on into the swamp of mechanised trust / resource allocation / doom on a stick.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: by this logic, mircea_popescu oughta love the soviet system
ascii_field: where nothing of any value or import was 'retail-mechanized'
mircea_popescu: i loved the soviet system except for the parts where it deeply misunderstood elite.
ascii_field: (want a set of tyres? have a good phriend)
mircea_popescu: a bunch of peasants are not it.
mircea_popescu: fuckin jeffersonian that "anticapitalist" utopia.
ascii_field: and here i thought mircea_popescu believed in 'who is in the elite seat, is the elite'
mircea_popescu: no qualms with that. and he who is in the driver seat is the driver. excuse me while i don't stick around with sweving cars.
mircea_popescu: also importantly, "by making the mathematical approach to many pricing problems unfeasible". MANY. not all. not "set of tyres" necessarily.
ascii_field: so why this, and not that?
mircea_popescu: why the pubkeys, not the files ?
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE WE SAY SO
mircea_popescu: a design decision is arbitrary by definition.
ascii_field: i'm prepared to explain re: the pubkeys, it is really very simple
mircea_popescu: why do i look at a woman's ass ? ask me that, go in the corner on knees on rice.
mircea_popescu: go for it.
ascii_field: because they are the root of the trust circuit
mircea_popescu: you didn't like logic in school or something ?
mircea_popescu: "why are you looking at woman's ass ?" "because it is in the middle of my interest."
ascii_field: hey i took tautology 400
mircea_popescu: WHY is it the root! what the fuck is this, the game of calling things things ?
ascii_field: anyway prolly ought to have called it 'axiomatic'
ascii_field: as in, having the proper pubkeys makes everything else non-spoofable
ascii_field: but there is no mechanical means of establishing that you have them.
mircea_popescu: axiomatic is, by definition, arbitrary.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what i said eh.
ascii_field: not entirely arbitrary
mircea_popescu: what's your problem with arbitrariety anyway.
ascii_field: some axioms give you euclid, others - timecube.
ascii_field: i only have a problem with timecube
ascii_field: not with euclid.
ascii_field: (and, by extension, with the notion that they are equivalent)
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah, i like dating but hate crazy bitches. sure.
mircea_popescu: and to some degree i can tell in advance.
mircea_popescu: but this is not a formal process, and so...
mircea_popescu: they ARE equivalent. a picture of a car IS equivalent to a picture of a slut even if a car and a slut are not equivalent. axioms are just that, axioms. arbitrary statements for no reason with no cause.
ascii_field: except 'no cause' is not correct.
mircea_popescu: in so being, they also become a descriptor of your worth as a being. there's no good reason to pick any set nor a good method to find out which to pick.
mircea_popescu: yes it is.
ascii_field: because we discard, or emplace, axioms, based on whether we get timecube or skyscraper.
mircea_popescu: except we have no idea.
mircea_popescu: if we did, we could mechanize it.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, i can make a summary statement of calculus that reads exactly like timecube for the first half. after which it starts falling into place.
mircea_popescu: heck, it's practically done already, newton raves madly for most of the lenght.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4285 @ 0.00048971 = 2.0984 BTC [+]
assbot: Deobfuscating Shifu ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ^ any to any other reversers or aspiring reversers.
ascii_field toils in this uranium mine. 'ask him anything' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: " Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where, say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. t
mircea_popescu: he price of food stamps. Other correct responses would be $700/mo for "some high school" (SSI) or $1500/mo for "previous work experience" (unemployment). I would have accepted $2000/mo for "minorities" (jail) for partial credit."
ascii_field: 'Here's the other side's example: when they talk about raising taxes on the rich, why do they pick a "low" point and push it higher? Should the highest rates be at $250k/yr? $300k? Another way of doing it, which is precisely why they cannot do it, is start at the top and move down. "We need $1T. Ok, top five guys pay 90%. Not enough? How about top ten guys pay 90%. Not enough? Top...." I'm not advocating this or
ascii_field: any other policy, not my place, I am pointing out that doing it the way it's done protects the 1% by letting the Aspirational 14%-- who crave recognition and are easily identifiable and hatable because they are poseurs, just of a different kind-- act as human shields. They take the bullets, the unknown mega-rich take tinted window rides to the Hamptons.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11660 @ 0.00048971 = 5.71 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00048778 = 2.4389 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31652 @ 0.00048778 = 15.4392 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29012 @ 0.00048635 = 14.11 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00048465 = 12.4797 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28450 @ 0.00048755 = 13.8708 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up AusteritySucks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00048752 = 7.7516 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00048752 = 15.1375 BTC [-]
jurov: ^^^ where are the quotations from?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: jurov: from tlp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5369 @ 0.00048762 = 2.618 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 2 ... ( )
mircea_popescu: if you meant the last one.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Randi Zuckerberg Thinks We Should Untangle Our Wired Lives ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6442 @ 0.00048931 = 3.1521 BTC [+]
jurov: thx
mircea_popescu: "If this seems implausible to you, which it must-- that's exactly the point of it-- consider the following extreme analogy, which surprisingly will be easier to understand, which is also the whole point: Say your father raped you repeatedly for a decade. Hold on, slow down, it gets worse: now you're 40, and he shows up asking you for $2400 because, and I quote, "you have a responsibility to take care of me." There h
mircea_popescu: e is in your living room, eyeballing the nice things in your home. If it is a fact that you will inevitably give him the money, is it easier to for you to pair it with your venom or your sympathy? Though it's enraging, there is a perverse pleasure in giving that bastard the money. It tells you that you showed him that you are better than him."
mircea_popescu: to keep it up.
mircea_popescu: but for the record, this "perverse pleasure" is strictly a ustardian thing.
mircea_popescu: unknown to humans.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that was one of the times when i thought 'wtf is this'
ascii_field: error: insufficient lsd
mircea_popescu: he has a point, tho. they actually DO this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 4525 @ 0.00023879 = 1.0805 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it's a fruit off the same bizarro tree of their sexuality.
ascii_field: would this be something like a 1-man version of human wave attack?
ascii_field: 'choke on my corpse!'
mircea_popescu: (to bother americans, play porn over dinner.)
mircea_popescu: amusingly, even the people who claim not to watch tv.
ascii_field: what would happen? cpu overheats from attempting gluttony and lust at same time ?
mircea_popescu: well they can't eat.
mircea_popescu: too busy pretending something or the other, as the case may be.
ascii_field: tlp's usa exists. but i am stuck reading about it in the fishwrap.
ascii_field: because i do not personally walk around in it.
ascii_field: usa != california!
ascii_field: not everyone is 'ironic hipster' or has ever seen one outside of pictures.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.0004897 = 7.7373 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: how's that related ?
ascii_field: this re: the 'busy pretending'
mircea_popescu: tbh i think his grasp of the fargo demographic is much better than his grasp of cali.
mircea_popescu: hahaha. no.
shinohai: <<< best thing I have read in over a week.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 19:53:09; mircea_popescu: jurov
mircea_popescu: whole site's worth a read imo.
shinohai: I liked the writing style, I bookmarked for future reading thanx!
mircea_popescu: "You might think that the rage is the spark for a transformation of America, a full scale Dagny Taggart meltdown or Bolshevik revolution, depending on your hat. That's not how it works. If this is narcissism, then its purpose is protecting identity, defending against change. Doesn't matter what side you think you're on, unless you are unplugged you are for the status quo."
mircea_popescu: mmmmmyeah.
assbot: Streamium : Articles About Argentina and Bitcoin aren't true ... ( )
shinohai: !up ascii_field
shinohai: mircea_popescu gets mentioned for a year-old article?
mircea_popescu: too lazy to check, writing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00048954 = 4.308 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19253 @ 0.00048848 = 9.4047 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: "It should be noted that Longtime Bitcoin Entrepreneur Mircea Popescu also shared his own account of Bitcoin adoption in Argentina roughly a year ago. His full teardown of the idea that Bitcoin is taking off in Argentina can be read on his blog."
shinohai: (Links to blog post)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21947 @ 0.00048707 = 10.6897 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: same site also hosts marvels like 'A New Block Size Increase BIP is Planned for the ‘Rough Consensus’ from Montreal' and 'The Josh Garza Interview: Organized Crime, Threats and Is He In America?'
shinohai: Never said we had Pulitzer-prize winning journalism here.
mircea_popescu: who is this ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00048971 = 8.7903 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [Qntra] Trouble Hits Customers -
assbot: The news wants to do a story on the $500 computer Bitcoin lock hack. Does anyone know anyone affected by this? : Bitcoin ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29574 @ 0.00048707 = 14.4046 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00048971 = 18.9028 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] D3C3N7R4L1S3 4LL 7H3 7H1NGZ! Except for these ones. -
pete_dushenski: << i'll just leave this here. i expect the comments will prove entertaining for the lispers here
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Clojure: If Lisp is so great, why do we keep needing new variants? ... ( )
pete_dushenski: << o.O mp has representation on facebook. nuts.
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 14:57:39; deedbot-: [Trilema] So... is it a virus ? -
pete_dushenski: also, hanbot makes an excellent point that pi is widely know to at least 8 decimal places afaik
pete_dushenski: mostly because of 9-digit calculators (basic ones)
ascii_field: !s how i need a drink alcoholic of course
assbot: 1 results for 'how i need a drink alcoholic of course' :
ascii_field: (everyone with even a passing interest in mnemonics, at least in the english world, knows this one)
pete_dushenski: aha nifty
pete_dushenski: i'll be sure to teach this one at 'ben+pete's skool'
pete_dushenski: heya nubbins`
pete_dushenski: happy canuckian thanksgiving eh
pete_dushenski is currently shopping for 'quiet' mechanical keyboard and/or soundproof interior doors.
deedbot-: [Trilema] You already had what you think you want and can't get. -
pete_dushenski: not happy about this shopping adventure. but i guess i'm not as rich as i thought i was.
pete_dushenski: house isn't multiple hundreds of square metres on multiple floors.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: line the door with acoustic cork.
ascii_field: will cost < 100 usd
pete_dushenski looks into this !
ascii_field: vendors which supply musical studios will have this.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: you don't know how tickled this idea has me :)
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: you can get 19-inch racks lined with cork, with acoustic baffles for the exhaust (think auto muffler or pistol silencer)
ascii_field: all of this is commercial sop.
ascii_field: cheaper than new building.
pete_dushenski: and less depressing than giving up model m for some 'das keyboard'
nubbins`: is it thanksgiving today?
nubbins`: i can't keep track. we had turkey yesterday
ascii_field: welcome back nubbins`
nubbins`: busy times
assbot: Silicon Valley sees shortage of EV charge stations - San Jose Mercury News ... ( )
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: pete_dushenski voted yet?
pete_dushenski: lol right. like that's gonna happen.
pete_dushenski: i'd sooner gamble on the outcome than show up to the booth
nubbins`: green party can't win without people like you
nubbins`: i hit up the advance polls
pete_dushenski: sounds like the green party needs me more than i need them
nubbins`: ah, yep, that's accurate
assbot: 'Charge rage': Too many electric cars, not enough workplace chargers - San Jose Mercury News ... ( )
assbot: Mummers, potato sacks and clown masks: Why people are voting in silly face coverings - Politics - CBC News ... ( )
nubbins`: mega-lel
nubbins`: smth tells me BingoBoingo would find humour in this also
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i almost expect there to appear some idiot rob-peter-pay-paul scheme where plebes' petrol cars have to spin wheels on a treadmill to charge some eloi's 'tesla', in lieu of parking fee, or the like
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 04:09:35; pete_dushenski: << this identification issue is quite the hot button item in canadian federal politics atm, mostly surrounding the use of the niqab by new immigrants during citizenship swearing-in ceremonies.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Not unimaginable
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: that's basically 'vw emissions test protocol'
BingoBoingo: "I needed to be somewhere by 6 p.m., and all of the active chargers were full. I couldn't plug in all day," he said. "There was a Volt that appeared to be finished charging, so I unplugged it so I could get a half-hour boost. The Volt isn't pure electric -- it also has a gasoline engine. The next day, I learned that the Volt owner was furious, and he sent out this email blast saying that I stole his charge. It was awful."
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: lulzy tho. never head of 'mummers' before.
ascii_field: it sounds batshit, to an engineer, say, but logically follows from 'easy to steal == phree!!!' formula.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Mummer is a kinda Mardi Gras thing
pete_dushenski: "Keefe had to leave his 'ugly stick' at the door. The homemade musical instrument is popular in mummer tradition. (Courtesy of Jon Keefe)" << nubbins`! you're famous !
deedbot-: [] Why GPG subkeys must die -
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00048583 = 9.3279 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: davout: "According to Schneier it costed ~$3mn in 2012 to find an arbitrary SHA1 collision." << cost
mircea_popescu: ahh it;'s an email bonanza.
mircea_popescu: i mean blog posts
pete_dushenski: i think a fire's been lit
nubbins`: pete_dushenski inorite?
jurov: yes. and was the problem tackled that i'm apparently expected to have one key for next 40+ years?
nubbins`: the point that i shouldn't have to expose my body to some random gov employee in order to exercise my charter rights was lost on many
pete_dushenski: davout: also sha2 != sha256
pete_dushenski: jurov: why one key ? can't you make new key just before current one expires and sign old key over to new key ?
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 21:32:19; mircea_popescu: if you can upgrade your key for free, you don't have to pay mpex, you can just find someone with a key they don't want to use anymore and they can "upgrade" theirs to yours.
mircea_popescu: jurov you're also expected to have the same penis for the next40+ years.
mircea_popescu: tackled that one ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, as alf describes, you can move them over.
jurov: yes, my penis looks substantially differently than 2y ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13515 @ 0.00048507 = 6.5557 BTC [-]
jurov: not usable for identification
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: aha. 'rights'
mircea_popescu: well not for identification, but still, suable for what it's used for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4865 @ 0.0004843 = 2.3561 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i suppose the elephant in the room sort of point we've been avoiding is this :
mircea_popescu: that given the known weaknesses of the pgp protocol as it is, the only responsible manner of using it is to include an index in every signed item, and to increment it by one every time you sign anything.
mircea_popescu: that actually allows repudiation.
ascii_field: how does this work ?
jurov: how is it different from expiry date?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field because if i say "no messages with index past 500 may be signed by this key" the key actually is verifdiably dead.
mircea_popescu: jurov because the date at which a message was signed is not verifiable.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: say enemy captures key. signs whatever he likes, with indices you've already used.
ascii_field: then points to your material, says 'this is fake'
mircea_popescu: they're both fake.
mircea_popescu: once a duplicate is found, the key is dead.
mircea_popescu: ie, you've fucked the goat.
ascii_field: only if found!
ascii_field: if he is sitting on your wire, and silently drops your message, replaced with his...
ascii_field: but yes, the basic scheme is one that i described before
ascii_field: with 'scratch-off hashes'
mircea_popescu: anyway. an enemy sitting on your wire in possession of your key is no enemy at all. he's your wife, like it or not.
ascii_field: (does anyone have the link handy where i described this scheme ?)
jurov: regardless, keys will need to be deprecated and upgraded somehow
ascii_field: jurov: in this scheme, you can 'blow' a key when it is time, by churning through its remaining shots
mircea_popescu: jurov what's wrong with a deed saying "this is my new keyt" ?
ascii_field: (publishing garbage signed thereby, with the serial number incrementing)
jurov: that you are not accepting it
mircea_popescu: that, yes.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not so sure how smart that is. garbage is interpretable.
ascii_field: jurov, mircea_popescu: iirc mircea_popescu did not accept refreshed subkeys either
ascii_field: (at mpex)
ascii_field: because 1) he would have to send a shuttle to his orbital station to swap out the ROM with the old key 2) people could sell mpex accounts!!111111
nubbins`: the wisdom of buying a private key is left as an exercise to the reader
ascii_field: nubbins`: this was an ancient thread. mircea_popescu explained that if people could update keys of mpex account, it would become practical to sell 'secondhand'
mircea_popescu: anyway, it allows you to update it. the idea that others would accept your update on your own terms and for free is bizarre and i guess unwarranted. going forward i imagine moist everything will be financed through fees on key updates. such as say assbot.
mircea_popescu: puts the cost of security right where it belongs : on the key owner.
nubbins`: added benefit of being L1, too
ascii_field: the flip side of this is that civil-death-by-dint-of-key-compromise will become a thing.
ascii_field: (already is a thing.)
mircea_popescu: otherwise you get a disaster of commons situation where 5k services are stuck doing things because you were bored one evening. that might work for a woman's book club\
mircea_popescu: \but i want no part of it.
ascii_field: << incidentally, this is the cue i've been waiting for to bring up an old observation of mine re: assbot and similar:
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 22:11:29; mircea_popescu: ascii_field not so sure how smart that is. garbage is interpretable.
ascii_field: it is a chosen-ciphertext attack vector.
ascii_field: as presently implemented.
mircea_popescu: how you figure ?
jurov: ^ wiki material here. but i don't have acct
ascii_field: (i.e., we ~think~ we are decrypting garbage, but who knows what it is. perhaps nsa killed kakobrekla and the next auth token is actually using the symmetric key header from your last transmission to the satellite !!)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it includes a plaintext field for this reason.
ascii_field: rsa is malleable.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is certainly smart.
mircea_popescu: it can be malleable, but look at a string.
jurov: btw, instead of sequence number i'd use hash of previous signature
ascii_field: the other thing, you are not decrypting the string !
ascii_field: you are decrypting a symmetric key
ascii_field: which is invisible
ascii_field: thinkaboutit
mircea_popescu: 22:36:14 pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:be692bd7a8864924c2526b0f2b72dd90baebc89bf10b131ff925358764b9be
mircea_popescu: the text is "assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:blabla"
ascii_field: the text.
mircea_popescu: jurov no, they have to be immutable.
ascii_field: but what you actually decrypted with rsa was a random blob
ascii_field: (aes key)
jurov: how chaining them by hash makes them mutable?
mircea_popescu: what, am i thick or something ?
jurov: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ok looks like i have to draw a picture ?
mircea_popescu: jurov well you wouldn't know in advance. maybe 3 is unreleased and you see 2 and 4
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i think so.
ascii_field: say hitler has killed poor kakobrekla. and really, really needs one of mircea_popescu's pgpgrams decrypted.
ascii_field: (from some captured email in the past)
jurov: mircea_popescu: when 4 will contain hash of 3 and 3 must contain hash of 2
jurov: then space for forgery diminishes dramatically
mircea_popescu: jurov but at the time you see 4, you do not see 3.
ascii_field: so he modifies assbot so that the next time mircea_popescu is given otp token, it is actually carrying the rsa-enciphered symmetric key from $message
jurov: you see hash of 3
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ok...
jurov: which will be own field and goes into the signature
mircea_popescu: jurov you don't have what to confront it with man.
jurov: thus, you have to create a collision to forge valid 3 later
mircea_popescu: but you can't verify it is good now!
mircea_popescu: forget later.
jurov: 4 will be in deedbot
jurov: at that time
mircea_popescu: deedbot magically knows it's ok ?
mircea_popescu: how do you accept 4 without 3!
pete_dushenski off for a jog then more turkey. so much more turkey.
jurov: you want *all* singed matter to be public in that order?
jurov: *signed
mircea_popescu: no, but if the number reads "4" you don't need to be shown the deed with number 3 to know 4 is a valid number.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i still dun get what the problem is.
jurov: okay, then there can be both serial number and previous hash
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the issuie is an elephant in room : we (i) dun really wanna go into it because it's such a bitch to manage and creeping featuritis 5 ways to sunday
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the basic problem is that you are decrypting $blob and, so long as the output has the expected form (and how many of us check? yes, i check. but there are folks who will pipe it straight into their irc via shellatron. yes, you know who you are
mircea_popescu: i do not imagine anyone seriously pipes it in.
ascii_field: so long as it has expected form, it is send out.
mircea_popescu: but yes, automated security and suicide share a flavour.
mircea_popescu: can you demonstrate rsa malleability in the sense of, appending "pete_dushenski.rate.punkman.2:" as prefix to cyphertext ?
ascii_field: no need.
ascii_field: all that would be required is (yes, open problem) a particular kind of aes boojum.
mircea_popescu: getting rid of aes gets rid of this anyway.
mircea_popescu: iirc i have a "why you don't want to chain hashes" thing somewhere.
mircea_popescu: !up GoonClooney
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00048908 = 3.2768 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00048928 = 11.8161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15123 @ 0.0004843 = 7.3241 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11002 @ 0.00048394 = 5.3243 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: btw if you don't want the signatures on your subkeys being sha1, I think --cert-digest-algo is the option that needs changing
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mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, anyone familiar with the life of this 2010 rapunzel, carrie perjean ?
mircea_popescu: miss california / miss usa aspirant, asked by that slime perez hilton what she thinks of same sex marriages, didn't have the presence of mind to tell the old fag to stuff it with the bullying, as this is about hot young women not about wrinkly old poofs nobody would fuck with a loaned goat penis,
mircea_popescu: after which litigation, sex tapes, and finally married an ex nfl quarterback.
mircea_popescu: should be a fucking movie already.
mircea_popescu: !up longgone
mircea_popescu: funny how many people discover they really got nothing to say once the gate is there.
nubbins`: "If I was in their shoes, I'd..." ...suck just like they do
mircea_popescu: mmmyeah.
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BingoBoingo: !up Peter_Geschel
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 no reason not to publish the thing now.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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asciilifeform: << this does absolutely nothing about the subkey signatures OR the fingerprints
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2015 22:51:13; punkman: btw if you don't want the signatures on your subkeys being sha1, I think --cert-digest-algo is the option that needs changing
asciilifeform: both are hardcoded to use sha1.
asciilifeform: rfc2440/4880 make NO provision for changing it. ever.
punkman: I don't see any mention of sha1 in the rfc regarding subkey sigs etc
asciilifeform: the fp is a sha1
asciilifeform: and it gets signed.
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punkman: well I'm more worried about subkey shenanigans than someone finding a collision for my fingerprint
asciilifeform: punkman: didja miss the nyooz item where the collision approached the cheap-as-dirt point ?
mircea_popescu: "subkey shenanigans" are EXACTLY what "someone finding a collision for your fp" means.
mircea_popescu: what's this ?!
mircea_popescu: what do you think subkeys are ?
mircea_popescu: it's not like the distinction is in any way meaningful. it's pure bullshit, which is one of the major reasons the pgp "standard" is so borken. there's no actual enforcing of the notions it then purports to expose to the verbal world.
asciilifeform: a treatise re: all of the (identifiable!) ways in which the rfc is retarded, would exceed the rfc in length, manyfold
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assbot: Secret Interview of Soviet Pilot Defector Circa 1973 - YouTube ... ( )
shinohai: ^ would love to purchase for the sole purpose of making court-ordered payments
punkman: dunno, I worry more about someone refreshing his keyring and ending up with extra subkeys under my main key, than a second main key appearing with same fingerprint, so I'm definitely setting my cert-digest-algo to sha512
punkman: unfortunately it seems hard to refresh current key using new cert-digest-algo
nubbins`: shinohai surely your country has a law limiting how much change can be used to settle a transaction?!
punkman: anyway, good thing I distributed my key before the shappening ;)
punkman: btw, has anyone signed a collection of assbot wot keys?
mircea_popescu: at the various conferences.
mircea_popescu: lor you mean of the whole thing ?
punkman: yeah that
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mircea_popescu: not afaik. not publicly at any rate.
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mircea_popescu: << i thought i saw a bunch of bad films. omfg i dunno where this guy shops but i've never seen films half as bad as the fucktarded youtube facebook shit he's watching.
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mircea_popescu never uses the innundated toilet model. it's fucking stupid.
mircea_popescu: you want a washbasin to shit in, plug the bidet and go at it.
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phf: i thought the matter of subkeys, "automatic" key replacements or substituions was settled by hanbot's story. i really put too much faith in it as the b-a canon seems like
mircea_popescu: unlike any decent cult, b-a does not actually have a cannon.
mircea_popescu: just a large-ish body of accepted knowledge which merely appears accepted "by everyone" in the sense that nobody agrees with all of it but nobody has seriously attacked all of it.
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mircea_popescu: the side point being that agreement is neither required nor actually the criteria.
BingoBoingo: Or universally beneficial.
mircea_popescu: actually universal agreement being strictly detrimental is a standing rule.
BingoBoingo: If there was a single cannon the idiots could take it
mircea_popescu: consensus is the sure sing of a cattle herd.
mircea_popescu: and in other news these monte cristos are fucking exquisite.
mircea_popescu: "For the past two weeks Sandberg was anywhere nothing useful is happening, and I'm going to include Facebook in that. Some cry-baby over at Jezebel was thrilled that Sandberg was featured all week on Access Hollywood, holy Christ, she thought this was a good thing. "Feminism is back in the mainstream in a big way," she wrote, I assume in between quaaludes, "the women's movement is actually moving." How can you work
mircea_popescu: in media and not understand media? The fact that feminism is in the mainstream means that it doesn't exist, it is no longer real, in the same way that when you hear "gun control debate" it's a lie and "fiscal cliff" is an easy to market, safe distraction from the structural problems that can never be named, here's one: for any heterogeneous population, the expansion of a "welfare class" is logically inseparable from t
mircea_popescu: he entrenchment of an aristocracy, can't have one without the other once you get bigger than 20M, ask Bismarck. "Does he write for Time?" No. But keep this in mind every time you hear how great it is Bill Gates is curing malaria after leaving us all with Windows."
mircea_popescu: he happens to be exactly right, too. welfare class strictly means entrenching aristocracy, it isn't even a thing on and of itself. just a sympthom of that phenomena.
mircea_popescu: and entrenching aristocracy means sclerosis and stuff like that, but let's not get too serious.
phf: how does assbot handle key expirations? does it periodically download new key from sks or it downloads it if you try and use an expired key?
asciilifeform: << they are sop in usa. to this day i do not know precisely why.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 02:07:53; *: mircea_popescu never uses the innundated toilet model. it's fucking stupid.
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assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 02:08:02; mircea_popescu: you want a washbasin to shit in, plug the bidet and go at it.
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2014 00:33:21; asciilifeform: me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna
mircea_popescu: phf afaik it never downloads it. if your key expires you're fucked.
asciilifeform: << this excerpt may as well be about martians, as far as my ability to decipher it is concerned...
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 02:34:57; mircea_popescu: "For the past two weeks Sandberg was anywhere nothing useful is happening, and I'm going to include Facebook in that. Some cry-baby over at Jezebel was thrilled that Sandberg was featured all week on Access Hollywood, holy Christ, she thought this was a good thing. "Feminism is back in the mainstream in a big way," she wrote, I assume in between quaaludes, "the women's movement is actually moving."
mircea_popescu: i don't think you're enough of a pedophile to give a shit about what teenaged women do anyway.
asciilifeform: (who is sandberg? what is jezebel? what happens in 'access hollywood'? and, more importantly, what do i gain from trying to figure this out...?)
mircea_popescu: the same thing you gain from trying to figure anything else out.
asciilifeform: try as i might, the thing fails to clear my wetware spam filter.
asciilifeform learns, after cursory search re: above, that his spam filter ~was~ to be trusted
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mircea_popescu: ofcourseitwas.
mircea_popescu: here's a pro tip : everyone investigating matters out of paradigm decide, with clockwork regularity, that their attempt was a mistake.
mircea_popescu: "oh i tried to look into this whole darwinian stuff. mmmkay..."
mircea_popescu: the thing with science is that there's no science outside of what science you make. there's no wave function in the actual fucking fermion.
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asciilifeform: wake me up when the feminism-is-back-in-mainstream-jezebel-access-hollywood thing is paradigmatically darwin-shifting something.
mircea_popescu: did your father get a blowjob ?
mircea_popescu: how about anal sex. what % of his mates did he bugger ?
mircea_popescu: or wait. did he fuck more women than his age ?
asciilifeform actually does not know the answer to this riddle
mircea_popescu: note that you're no more required to be a plumber than i'm required to give a shit about lisp. you get to pick your own spot where your vita brevis makes no difference anyway.
asciilifeform: but... srsly what else exciting action am i missing?! anal sex among sewer rats? should i be constructing a robotic camera to determine its quality in the pipes underneath my street ?
mircea_popescu: if and only if you feel like it.
asciilifeform: ^ good student project btw.
asciilifeform: but yes, vita brevis.
asciilifeform: glad the matter is in good hands...
mircea_popescu: to some people, the notion that men aged > 50 today as well as their antecessors didn't do x y z thing automatically disqualifies them, as men. to some other, it's just ridoinculous bs.
mircea_popescu: what can i say.
asciilifeform recalls mircea_popescu article re: same.
mircea_popescu: but some common ground can be found. "your wife won't do what you tell her to ? what does the possessive denote then ?" for instance. "oh but it hurts. and she finds it disgusting". yeah. that's the fucking point. of course she'll obey an order to eat more chocolate.
asciilifeform: euclid never knew long division. gauss never beheld a pocket calculator. both, in my mind - men, just the same.
mircea_popescu: "no but really, it's more about partnership". i'm sure it is. and it gets tested never. "no, like, once someone gets cancer". tyvm, i prefer to create my own problems.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't think that's the case. there's some magic happening, because there are no provissions to do a key refresh yet my formerly expired key still works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but they are dubious scientists. if euclid walked over here and got into an argument with me over fucking bannach space algebra, pete_dushenski would prolly be right in his wing with a !rate euclid -1 gramps has nfi where his rope ends.
mircea_popescu: phf i doubt assbot actually updates them. it might also not look at expirations, i dunno how kakobrekla did it, maybe he weighs in.
asciilifeform: iirc my key expired twice, each time worked after refresh.
asciilifeform: the second was post-assbotization.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, the only reason you think they're still men is because their key expired and you don't have to refresh anything.
phf: yeah, yours is going to go on dec 22
asciilifeform is not an mpex user and feels entirely free to issue traditional, expir-dated keys
asciilifeform: who said being poor bugger living in own shit doesn't have up-side !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's try a little puzzler
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: newton: man ?
mircea_popescu: to whom ?
mircea_popescu: it's not a thing in itself.
asciilifeform: (there is not one shred of reliable evidence that he once fucked any living thing)
asciilifeform: to mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: dude i have no idea, the long dead are a 4th fucking gender.
mircea_popescu: what about golda meir ? woman ?
asciilifeform: i thought anything gets to be 'woman' for phree, per mircea_popescu's algo
mircea_popescu has serious trouble evaluating the gender of people who lived in socio-cultural constructs that share little with his own in any sort of term that's meaningful for common parlance.
asciilifeform: there we go.
asciilifeform: so the grandfather-who-had-no-blowjob is every bit the man...?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the context of your father shares a lot with your own.
asciilifeform: not so sure that it did.
mircea_popescu: grandfather is only present in the father (and his antecessors) chain.
mircea_popescu: that's how that thing got added in there, outside of that line it's dead.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "not sure that it did" ?
asciilifeform: share context with mine.
mircea_popescu: you are familiar with the basics of human sexuate reproduction i expect ?
mircea_popescu: he fucked the woman that taught you to speak yo.
mircea_popescu: necefuckingssarily it did.
asciilifeform: newz at 11!
asciilifeform: i was referring to the cultural context of what-makes-man
mircea_popescu: he seduced her. somehow. right ? hopefully by speech.
asciilifeform: presumably.
mircea_popescu: that's your inedible point of contact : the same agent that cooed and went heels over head through the use of the same mechanism then taught you how to usew that mechanism.
asciilifeform: this, sure.
mircea_popescu: if this is not enough joining nothing ever will be.
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asciilifeform has exhausted his brain-stack depth and forgotten the return address of what originated this train of thought
mircea_popescu: thanks god for logs.
asciilifeform resorts to log
mircea_popescu: but some obscure thing about what is interesting or not.
mircea_popescu: and i meant indelible not inedible. i blame the keyboard.
asciilifeform: it was re: . to which my reflexive reaction is much the same as that of a non-entomologist is to five kilograms of cockroaches pouring out of a kitchen cabinet.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 02:34:57; mircea_popescu: "For the past two weeks Sandberg was anywhere nothing useful is happening, and I'm going to include Facebook in that. Some cry-baby over at Jezebel was thrilled that Sandberg was featured all week on Access Hollywood, holy Christ, she thought this was a good thing. "Feminism is back in the mainstream in a big way," she wrote, I assume in between quaaludes, "the women's movement is actually moving."
mircea_popescu: well... they're colored. you ever seen my pic with the sea slugs ?
asciilifeform: it did not hit this button.
mircea_popescu: fortunately for you, ars longa.
mircea_popescu: because if it weren't... think for just a minute how horrible life were if in point of fact we were imortal.
mircea_popescu: it'd then be the case that sooner or larter we;'d have to do everything. EVERYTHING.
mircea_popescu is well gratefull to be dead long before he'd reach the end of anything.
asciilifeform: from the problems-we-don't-have series! (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's the cultural antrhopologist standing story an' im sticking by it : speech is interesting because it provides permanence in a very improbable setting.
mircea_popescu: so improbable in fact it even enticed you into playing your qj straight into my pocket rockets.
mircea_popescu: gotta give it something.
asciilifeform: there is prolly at least one lucky fella to whom every gram of those 5kg of roaches steaming out of the kitchen cabinets is a fascinating treasure.
asciilifeform: i take off my hat, to him.
asciilifeform: and i'm well aware that some of the subjects i work on arouse much the same reaction in yet other people.
asciilifeform: hell, in my own mind as well.
mircea_popescu rarely has this reaction, tbh.
asciilifeform: in fact, at this point if i had to choose whether to spend the rest of my days in the close warm company of cockroaches, XOR with c++ - would likely pick the former..
mircea_popescu: cockroaches are pretty interesting as far as that goes. for instance : did you know that the entire fucking genus, which is immnse, strictly depends on there not being abrasive surfaces ?
mircea_popescu: thjat's why borax gets them. it scratches their carpace, they lose water.
mod6: huh
asciilifeform: 'works of nature', even at their ugliest, don't provoke in my mind a sense of the monstrous - because they do not have the flavour of dead ends.
asciilifeform: whereas works of man, so often do have this flavour.
asciilifeform: e.g., c++.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it's actually possible for a proper dead end, in nature.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2015 03:15:13; mircea_popescu: thjat's why borax gets them. it scratches their carpace, they lose water.
mircea_popescu: "I met the woman at a Broadway show, but the night's best piece of acting, I'd say, came from me, back at her East Village apartment, after we'd been having sex for about 25 minutes, with Neil Young wailing the song "Comes a Time" from the laptop on her bedside table. The dried-out condom had a full-bodied choke hold on me, but I'd already stopped twice to put on a fresh one, and I knew, as I kept earnestly pumping awa
mircea_popescu: y, that one more condom wouldn't make the necessary difference."
mircea_popescu: motherfucker! who has this problem ?!
mircea_popescu: << how the fuck does he figure THE GUY has chronic sexual dysfunction ?
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Effects Of Too Much Porn: "He's Just Not That Into Anyone" ... ( )
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mircea_popescu: i have never, ever, in my fucking life been in a situation where pumping dried out the woman. how the fuck does this work even ?
mircea_popescu: i've seen the thing where after a bout of sustained fucking her cunt would leak of its own volition for another fucking hour, yes. but what is this sandy bitch bs.
phf: a common acquaintance once said that she sometimes flips through tv channels while having sex with her boyfriend
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