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mircea_popescu: !up GoonClooney
mircea_popescu: !up villan
wyrdmantis: Hello Asseters!
jurov: hi wyrdmantis
jurov: !up AmbitionzAzARida
jurov: !up GoonClooney
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mircea_popescu: hello wyrdmantis
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deedbot-: [Trilema] El Defloreador tum tum tudum tum-tum! - http://trilema.com/2015/el-defloreador-tum-tum-tudum-tum-tum/
assbot: dpaste: 3CQNCBA ... ( http://bit.ly/1jiN7iU )
asciilifeform: re: cokemachine.
punkman: how's that related to cokemachine?
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assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 20:08:43; trinque: http://volokh.com/2012/01/24/encrytion-and-the-fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination/ << wherein he agrees that the govt "knowing that you know" the password is sufficient to obviate pleading the 5th
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno that nonsense is of any interest rly. ever since ashcroft usg has been putting forth all sorts of spurious claims.
phf: "sir, we have here a warrant to search your memory palace"
mircea_popescu: this is the sunday psa that eulora needs more noobs.
phf: "are the are any seditious thoughts on the premisses, that we need to know about"
mircea_popescu: poor "need". that word's so beaten up these days.
phf: heh, i didn't even notice, the entire form was making me uneasy, but it's that casual "need" that's probably the worst part
mircea_popescu: "sir, i'll need you to..."
mircea_popescu: it's so badly contorted, for one thing it's anything but a need, for the other why the fuck are you so affraid of me you need to start by lying.
mircea_popescu: libtard socialism ftw, needs are respectable wants are criminal so let's pretend like we need shit we must have.
phf: it's also removal of agency, need is something that happens to you, like "i need you to fill this out for me" has the "just doing my job, sir". as opposed to russian "you must fill this out" where the power dynamic is explicit
phf: although often mocked "you don't understand, i needed to do this". oh you needed, that changes everything
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hdbuck: !s mircea_popescu in other words
assbot: 90 results for 'mircea_popescu in other words' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mircea_popescu+in+other+words
hdbuck: jesus
mircea_popescu: did you mean in other news ?
hdbuck: yes ^^
hdbuck: !s in other news
assbot: 736 results for 'in other news' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=in+other+news
hdbuck: ah and i thought 90 results was quite much already.
hdbuck: mircea_popescu when is the next b-a gathering?
mircea_popescu: nothing's been announced to date.\
jurov: http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13812 today another chapter of "world goes to shit"
assbot: Item13812: Foswiki 2.0 useless without javascript < Tasks < Foswiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1PooBsB )
mod6: neat, just did an autobuild of rotor + TEST2 via V. build was successful, running and pulling blocks. :]
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296367 << the part that looks like 'lying' is actually a cargo cult thereof.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 18:21:32; mircea_popescu: it's so badly contorted, for one thing it's anything but a need, for the other why the fuck are you so affraid of me you need to start by lying.
asciilifeform: (normally when one properly lies, it is with some effort to be believed)
asciilifeform: as it is, western/non-orc bureaucrats use ceremonial language dating to a time when cooperation was a (comparatively) voluntary thing
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296360 << wat. since wickard vs filburn at least !
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 18:04:22; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno that nonsense is of any interest rly. ever since ashcroft usg has been putting forth all sorts of spurious claims.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296361 << laugh, but this is being actively pursued with 'fmri' and related apparatus.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 18:12:24; phf: "sir, we have here a warrant to search your memory palace"
asciilifeform: there are already freislers at work, crafting 'legal framework' for it.
asciilifeform: afaik, the most audacious claim to date is that the machine can tell if the victim has seen a particular object previously.
asciilifeform: folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use.
asciilifeform: intimidation of chumps, as in 'lie detector', will take care of two thirds of the 'patients'
asciilifeform: while the remainder can be parallel-constructed, accidented, etc. into their place.
ben_vulpes: it is the only hope for the lie detector replacement
ben_vulpes: and will likely suffer the same public humiliations
punkman: just an update for current lie detector
asciilifeform: not actually being pursued for this
ben_vulpes: as 'dna evidence' is atm
asciilifeform: the 'voodoo intimidation value' of the old-fashioned kind is, afaik, thought to suffice
punkman: people still believe in the old model
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has it, it will be another 'dna evidence'
ben_vulpes: the whole legal/scientocratic edifice is shaking apart as the science part more trivially debunkable.
punkman: but I think new version will need to include "quantum" and stuff
ben_vulpes: grows more*
asciilifeform: or rather, speaking more generally, yet another kind of fingerprint.
asciilifeform: punkman: it already includes quantum voodoo!
asciilifeform: see 'SQUID' etc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fingerprints were 'debunked' in the 1900s
asciilifeform: yet still used in virtually every country
asciilifeform: because - for the actual, rather than stated purpose - they work great.
asciilifeform: (extracting confession)
ben_vulpes: sure, people threaten each other with random shit all the time.
ben_vulpes: and generally the big stick works.
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asciilifeform: interestingly, even a very small stick works..
ben_vulpes: but when the voodoo is known to everyone as voodoo, which the left will *ensure* happens with the DNA saga
ben_vulpes: (see "institutional racism" thread)
ben_vulpes: the threat of voodoo won't work anymore.
ben_vulpes: "i'm going to poke this doll image of you!"
ben_vulpes: "lolk. my lawyer plz."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: last i saw, the u.s. left loves dna test. so long as it is mainly used to exonerate blacks
assbot: 'Great Pause' Among Prosecutors As DNA Proves Fallible : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1R61Bgk )
asciilifeform: precisely as happened with fingerprints.
ben_vulpes: i'd love to see "1/30 odds convicts whitey but not his darker friends"
asciilifeform: phun phakt: most fingerprint database is entirely unusable for any practical purpose whatsoever.
ben_vulpes: just because some derpy whites succumb to intimidation does not mean dna framing still works. it works on derpy blacks too, what of it?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: see famous case with portland lawyer that the incompetents in the usg wanted to frame for the madrid bombings.
ben_vulpes: DIDN'T WORK
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play
ben_vulpes: that formula being?
assbot: Antonin Scalia Says Executing The Innocent Is Constitutional - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1R61Gke )
asciilifeform: it was, iirc, 'innocence is not a constitutional bar to punishment'
ben_vulpes: i'm sure goebbels etc had some variant too
ben_vulpes: whoever ran those "courts"
ben_vulpes: anyways, the notion that the us courts have the mandate to execute people or have any other stort of effect on the world is long past its sell by date
ben_vulpes: yes they'll continue stomping on the poor and disenfranchised.
ben_vulpes: no, they won't do anything to anyone cheating emissions tests.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lulzily, usg agrees!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: which is why more and more of its actual muscle is extrajudicial
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, today i went into a shop and saw a type of chumpatronic contrivance for which i do not know the name:
asciilifeform: there was a row of apple portables, and some had high-res lcd (sold as 'retina' trade name) while others had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such; instead, they were atrocious, with what looked like triangular pixels, dithering visible to the naked eye;
asciilifeform: like an old vhs camera viewfinder
asciilifeform: my first thought was that these are not intended to actually sell
asciilifeform: but instead to prod people to the costlier 'high res' variant
asciilifeform: my other thought was that it is even possible that both variants used physically-identical components and the cheaper one was somehow crippled in software.
assbot: Hot Broiler ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjo5ud )
mod6: Ok, so I've posted my version of V for some review before it goes to the ML. Inside the archive you'll find a `v.pl', `v_quick_start.txt', and `v_users_manual.txt' - and each with a corresponding sig.
mod6: Thanks in advance for your feedback.
assbot: How a secret Chinese military drug based on an ancient herb won the Nobel Prize - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXDoi3 )
mod6: (Hint: Please rtfm at least one of the guides before anyone says "Doesnt work!")
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296362 << I am interested in taking on a n00b as an apprentice in sacrificing for the purpose of hopefully getting some overcraft loot
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 18:15:21; mircea_popescu: this is the sunday psa that eulora needs more noobs.
mircea_popescu: how'd that work danielpbarron ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use. << right right. cholesterol is bad for you except its good for you and salt is bad except its good and hey, as long as they got "science" what difference does it make that they're 100% consensused on opposite things every 30 years.
mircea_popescu: or that there's more examples of this pinnacle of lulz than there are "scientists" drawing breath at any given time.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> anyways, the notion that the us courts have the mandate to execute people or have any other stort of effect on the world is long past its sell by date << word.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform>had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such << speaing of which, i went to a local cinema yest. place tries real hard to be us like. they had digital projector. not only were the pixels visible with naked eye from middle of room, but
mircea_popescu: the fucking scannig speed of that thing. omfg.
mircea_popescu: if things moved < 5% it was clear, if faster than that holy blur on a shitstick!
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how they imagine the pos digital projector can compete with a 1950s soviet thing that went around the villages to show propaganda shorts.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: cool beans mod6
ben_vulpes: neat stuff mod6
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'lcds' << apple SOP. watch exists to maintain price point of late model pn0hes, which exist to prop price point of new pn0hes, which exist to prop price point of the *cheap* craptop...
ben_vulpes: the entire operation's profit plan for the forseeable future is to increase the forced obsolescence rate and drive down the number of atoms and fab processes in the whole thing while charging ever more.
phf: went to a movie theater to see The Martian. i only ever watch movies when in-wot recommend something enough, so i didn't realize how bad a movie can be, and this was one of the worst movies i've ever seen. snl "you can do anything" skit done with a straightface.. in space! but anyway, they've replaced all the regular rows, with reclining sits, and you can push the button for the sit to recline. i was
phf: disapointed though, that you can't just drive your sit to get popcorn and coke. have to walk.
mircea_popescu: this thing (baires) was an INCREDIBLE collection of the stupideology of argentinians.
mircea_popescu: it hit all the dumb spots, it could stand as a two hour summary of "this is a full description of how these imbeciles are imbeciles"
kakobrekla: high expectations are problematic for any movie
assbot: It's like an involuntary tic or a really boring form of Tourette's ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXEZED )
phf: kakobrekla: i didn't have any expectations, i didn't know anything about it until half hour before. one of the people who invited me walked out half way through and the other one appologized.
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mod6: thanks mircea_popescu & ben_vulpes; plz let me know if you have questions or wanna discuss anything about how it works.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> the entire operation's profit plan for the forseeable future is to increase the forced obsolescence rate and drive down the number of atoms and fab processes in the whole thing while charging ever more. << and even so it won't be able to keep up with inflation.
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mod6: found a bug. will fix on next time posted. for now; after `./v.pl init http://thebitcoin.foundation` is run, run `./v.pl w` to ensure all of the WoT's get imported to the keyring.
mod6: anyway, simple change. let me know if something out sticks out.
ben_vulpes: trinque: you might find it amusing that now that the rains have moved in, Hinson is holding a series of neighborhood meetings to figure out "what to do" about colonel summers.
mod6: hmm. chicken/egg type of problem, maybe not so simple. if one wants to check the signed mirrors before init, how can sigs be checked from wot if no wot yet exists.
mod6: will have to think on that a bit. :]
ben_vulpes: everyone wants affordable housing, they just don't want to house people who need affordable housing anywhere near themselves.
mircea_popescu: why not ? much better to fuck women that need affordable housing than women thart don't.\
mircea_popescu: for one thing, younger. for the other thing, much less of a bitch.
mircea_popescu: the concept of unaffordable housing chiefly exists on this earth to keep women pliable and young derps out of the pool.
mod6: I guess I could just not print who signed the mirrors. Leave the mirror list sigs in place on the server, and they can be checked later by hand if anyone wants. but i kinda like how it shows who signed it.
mircea_popescu: (which is why i'm kinda chuckling to myself every time alf goes on a rant about teh rent bezzle. sure, it sucks. imagine a world without it.)
mircea_popescu: mod6 why is this a bootstrapping problem anyway ?
mircea_popescu: to run v in the first place one's supposed to provide a populated pubkeys dir.
mod6: One can do this for sure. The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.
mircea_popescu: mmm i don't think that's either intended functionality or a good idea.
mircea_popescu: as intended, every v installation includes a step where user securely populates his pubkey dir.
mod6: hmm. well, i can take all of the sync stuff out for sure. will reduce a ton of code.
mircea_popescu: pgp sync you mean ?
mod6: how will the secure population of the pubkey dir work? just by pulling keys manually or is this an automated function?
mircea_popescu: but these are two diff things, the v sync (of code) and the pubkey part.
mod6: no, it sync's stuff from the mirror via wget, currently
mod6: the pubkeys, the seals and the vpatches
mircea_popescu: see, the idea being that pubkey gotta be a special category.
mod6: it is not required to do that, one can just populate the stuff by hand, ofc.
mircea_popescu: then you no longer have the bootstrapping problem you were disucssing earlier.
mod6: ah. ok. i see. so let the user populate the wots on their own, other stuff, no prob.
mod6: ok makes sense. i'll work on that bit of it.
mod6: thx!
mircea_popescu: dun mention it.
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mod6: Ok while I work on this for a while, I'll pull that bundle down. Should have one up sometime in the next few days to a week.
phf: slime
phf: err, wrong buffer..
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296513 << the rent bezzle solves a problem, yes. which could be solved in other ways.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:38:25; mircea_popescu: (which is why i'm kinda chuckling to myself every time alf goes on a rant about teh rent bezzle. sure, it sucks. imagine a world without it.)
asciilifeform: orc removal is not rocket surgery, has been done before !
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:39:50; mod6: One can do this for sure. The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.
asciilifeform: wot is to be populated MANUALLY
asciilifeform: this is the kind of thing i was afraid of when first contemplating automating any of this
asciilifeform: duplicating shithub is PERDITION
asciilifeform: fetching wot automagically defeats the very purpose of using pgp
asciilifeform: (how do you know what keys you ended up with, if you do this ?!!!!111)
phf: asciilifeform: why did you go with a separate keys folder instead of relying on existing pubring?
asciilifeform: phf: because FUCK pgp 'rings'
asciilifeform: i fucking hate hidden state
asciilifeform: and weird config formats
asciilifeform: a ring, if it is to be tolerated, is a dir I CREATED DELIBERATELY full of pubkeys IN STANDARD FORMAT
asciilifeform: that can be managed using ordinary unix commands
asciilifeform: FUCK 'keyrings'
asciilifeform: pgp verification ought to be invoked 'gpg --verify pubkey payload'
asciilifeform: that this was not done, is one of 1,001 atrocities
asciilifeform: i cannot even begin to fathom the kind of retardation that produced 'keyrings'.
asciilifeform: (actually i can. it was... winblowz compatibility. of course.)
phf: fair enough
asciilifeform: i wanna remove a key? rm ~/.wot/key.
asciilifeform: add? cp key ~/.wot
phf: actually yeah. i was always curious why "trust system" that presumably is baked into keyrings is different from signing the key with your sig
asciilifeform: because tards.
asciilifeform: or why is pgp (1.4.10, say) 19 FUCKING MB ?!!!!
asciilifeform: of SOURCE
asciilifeform: for comparison, therealbitcoin is < 700kB
phf: for fair comparison therealbitcoin loc should include relevant openssl bits
asciilifeform: atm nobody knows precisely their mass.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296476 << lulzy, the one i have at home, apparently, is better
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:31:08; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform>had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such << speaing of which, i went to a local cinema yest. place tries real hard to be us like. they had digital projector. not only were the pixels visible with naked eye from middle of room, but
asciilifeform: has none of these issues.
asciilifeform: 'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new.
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 23:42:59; mircea_popescu: as intended, every v installation includes a step where user securely populates his pubkey dir.
phf: by the way i stopped by some russian bookstore on the way to saunas and spotted this utterly ridiculous shalamov cover http://static.ozone.ru/multimedia/books_covers/1011527549.jpg. i don't even.
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoOpVA )
asciilifeform: what's ridiculous? that he's standing right next to the wire? sure.
asciilifeform: in the fine tradition of sf cover art, where the artist must never, under any circumstances, know anything at all about the inside of the book.
phf: hehe, indeed
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:09:34; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151011.tar.gz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: or that there's wire to begin with, or that he has a fur hat, or some semblance of warm clothes. or the "sharapov and the bandit part 5" style of print
asciilifeform: archetype.
asciilifeform: just like the ubiquitous sherlock holmes with the funny hat and misshapen pipe
asciilifeform: or viking with horns
asciilifeform: this is also known as kabuki.
asciilifeform: (where we get 'ninjas wear black')
phf: i guess that's kind of like seeing conan the barbarian cover on beowulf
asciilifeform: exactly.
asciilifeform: betcha there is such an edition.
asciilifeform: look for it in major american book shops.
assbot: La légende de Beowulf (2007) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1PoPkVT )
asciilifeform: aha, it.
mod6: asciilifeform: <+mod6> Ok while I work on this for a while, I'll pull that bundle down. Should have one up sometime in the next few days to a week.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like what other ways ? you're not willing to spend 12 hours a day beating them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why not minefields ?
asciilifeform: and i hear auto-turrets have come a long way!
asciilifeform: as seen in korean dmz.
asciilifeform: and south africa.
asciilifeform: i hear that not-breeding-them-in-the-first-place also worked great
phf: biggest disappointment of visiting northrop grumman one time-- no auto-turrets. i thought surely there if nowhere else.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296471 << i have the only altar and the only sacrifice-giving skill item; whoever would agree to be my apprentice would use my altar with my ingredients and give me all the loot, and in return they would get the experience
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 21:20:00; mircea_popescu: how'd that work danielpbarron ?
asciilifeform: phf: try aircraft carrier
mircea_popescu: you seem to be of the same persuasion of the good folk making "bitpurse.io".
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is the landmine going to identify them!
mircea_popescu: "oh, forger the hard problems involved while i focus on painting the fence! that'll do it!"
mircea_popescu: no, srsly ?
asciilifeform: ask the israelis
mircea_popescu: if it were as simple as orc = black we'd have long exterminated the blacks and be living in paradise
mircea_popescu: shit dun work.
mircea_popescu: <phf> asciilifeform: why did you go with a separate keys folder instead of relying on existing pubring? << more calmly explained, because pgp is marked for death. we're working deliberately towards replacing it.
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asciilifeform: the way this works best is that the guard knows everyone who belongs inside the wire, by face.
asciilifeform: anyone else has to sit in a cage and get 'buzzed in.'
phf: i gather as much from elsewhere in the logs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and HOW does he know them.
mircea_popescu: by face or by post devirgination remains irrespective.
asciilifeform: ideally, guard is one of the residents, who take turns on checkpoint duty.
asciilifeform: and know one another.
asciilifeform: in the old-fashioned, meatspace, dunbar sense.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'dlp' (mems array) with laser illumination. less than 1k usd when it was new. << un minimo respeto por el imbeciliator! argentina no es un pais pobre porque es rico en recursos umanos.
mircea_popescu: more like scoursos umanos, but enfin.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: your working projector intended for a home was 1k new, their "cinema multiplexo!11" projector was prolly 2k and they bought it on time, so paid 5k or w/e.
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mircea_popescu: anyway. the problem is not identification in the sense of this x = the x we know to be ok.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't help but wonder if the blurry '90s thing was installed... deliberately! if it did not smudge, no one would know it is digital!!1!!11
mircea_popescu: the problem is that given a facebook friendlist of 50k imbecile 20something females who, if asked "like to read" and then if pressed are apparently unaware that books EVEN HAVE AUTHORS
mircea_popescu: which do you let in.
asciilifeform: ah, problem of 'who gets to move in' ?
mircea_popescu: well doh. how do you identify the nigger.
asciilifeform: well, first you check the applicant's forehead for brands.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (where we get 'ninjas wear black') << weren't ninjas wearing black because convention for "not visible" ?
asciilifeform: if you don't see 'T' (thief), 'M' (mayhem)....
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i hear that not-breeding-them-in-the-first-place also worked great <<< how the fuck are you gonna manage this wonder. so you select a woman. and her spawn will... regress to the mean. of course. and she'll love it anwyay. of course. and now what ?
asciilifeform: ... no brands? he gets to have a chat with the residents
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reintroducing starvation would go a long way.
mircea_popescu: so then you should be a fan of the rent bezzle.\
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much the only thing working to starve reddit into submission.
asciilifeform: not seeing this submission
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> in the old-fashioned, meatspace, dunbar sense. << the OTHER problem with this is that there isn't eno9ugh space in the dunbar-based graph to cram everything you need.
mircea_popescu: even something as tiny as a porn studio will not be served by the model.
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: let's go through the list.
mircea_popescu: modest studio = 6 camera people + 9 or so trainees ; about two dozen fluffers + administrative assistants ; about 2-300 models ; cleanning and maintenance crew ; execs and other suits.
mircea_popescu: you're over 300 people. they won't know each other.\
mircea_popescu: and this is not even fucking paramount or nlc ; and those are jack shit, basically they produce footage, big whoop. try making an atomic dirigible next.
asciilifeform: except in this hypothetical, we are not designing a soviet rocket factory, and pondering how to keep out spies from washington.
asciilifeform: we're designing a residential complex, and trying to keep out destructive lumpens
mircea_popescu: while designing a rocket factory that also produces jam.
mircea_popescu: this arbitrary division is naught but naivite in a wrapper.
asciilifeform: i doubt that any usaschwitz inmate would have a serious problem distinguishing 'want this as neighbour' from 'do not want' in five minutes of conversation.
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you no ustard could discern anything from his own shit.
asciilifeform: in practice, the 'do not want' is identifiable with minimal effort. because these are not spies from washington, but human refuse
mircea_popescu: people like the orcs themselves are eversoslighty better at it\
mircea_popescu: but at the massive cost of not doing anything worth the mention ever.
mircea_popescu: a la cecens. they can distinguish non-worthy dogfucker, yes.
mircea_popescu: problem is, they distinguish him by how he doesn't fuck goats like they all doi.
asciilifeform: where i live, at present, any experimentation in selectors ~other than rent bezzle~ is specifically forbidden by usg.
mircea_popescu: this may be true,
asciilifeform: but if it were not, different approaches could be tried
mircea_popescu: but it does not automatically make the emplaced system unoptimal.
asciilifeform: say, 'i want to live only with folks who graduated with science degrees before 2010'
mircea_popescu: for that matter, also wheree you live, anything but oxygen respiration is forbidden by biology.
mircea_popescu: if it wasn't, alternatives could be tried.
mircea_popescu: sure, they could be tried. what of the trying.
asciilifeform: there is this thing called 'freedom of association'. used to be a thing in usa.
asciilifeform: today - specifically banned. if you want to sell or rent a house, it has to be done like-so.
asciilifeform: or jail.
mircea_popescu: you're still free to associate. buy a building, let your own slavegirls populate it frere of charge.
asciilifeform: buy rocket, build dome on mars, yes.
mircea_popescu: freedom was never for the poor.
mircea_popescu: not ever.
asciilifeform: which is where we get to the sacramental:
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
mircea_popescu: either that or make some money.
asciilifeform: i have a sequel!
mircea_popescu: and in yet another branch off this tree, im not even sure your ideas of selection would be a net positive.
mircea_popescu: only ppl with science degrees after 2010 ? my degree is fucking philosophy.
mircea_popescu: and anthropology.
mircea_popescu: phf doesn't even look like he finished college.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform: 'my mandatory plastic toilet has chipped.' mircea_popescu: 'whaddayamean' asciilifeform: 'well, broke.' mircea_popescu: 'make some money! buy iridium toilet, like normal person!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that i did not say 'exterminate people who didn't graduate in maths.' i said 'what if people had freedom of association.' the example give was, well, an example.
asciilifeform: not a formula for robotic extermination army.
mircea_popescu: the example given was well, a case of dwimnwis.
asciilifeform: if one demands a 'final solution' - yes. but what i asked for was the freedom to try solutions other than bezzle.
mircea_popescu: yeah. except the absence of this freedom is no proof that the freedom would benefit, and your hypotheses as presented are unpersuasive.
mircea_popescu: and since we're picking on the structure of reality, why not the freedom to be a different height. maybe if you could experiment with height you'd have more pleasant urinatory experiences or who knows what.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, you know the joke with the short guy in the public restroom ?
mircea_popescu: a tall guy that has visible parkinson and a short guy happen in the same restroom
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with you ? asks shorty
mircea_popescu: well... you see... parkinson...
mircea_popescu: at which the shorty starts breakdancing too\
mircea_popescu: "what happened ? also parkinson ?"
mircea_popescu: "no, i just don't like having piss in my ears"
mircea_popescu: so yeah, if only we could experiment with height i could fuck throats standing.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile if you're curious and bored, read the coupla excellent mongraphs re life in london cca 1800.
asciilifeform: yes, i get it, iridium toilet on atomic dirigible is very spiffy
mircea_popescu: that was a place where very much such freedom to experiment.
asciilifeform: for those who have it.
asciilifeform: you mean the post-enclosures london?
asciilifeform: flooded with angry orcs?
mircea_popescu: all the coats were gray from all the home heating expwerimentation, and 40% of the population lived off processing garbage.\
asciilifeform: mega-example
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, see warsaw jews.
asciilifeform: same idea
mircea_popescu: maybe part of why they got fucking exterminated like cows was that they LIVED LIKE FUCKING COWS ?????
mircea_popescu: who knows ; who could have predicted ; etc.
asciilifeform: cows would take offense
mircea_popescu: i dunnop that there existed anything more offensive than the jewish ghetto of eastern europe cca 1920.
mircea_popescu: and that was a rather direct result of "freedom to experiment".
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asciilifeform: afaik this was not a case of 'freedom to experiment' but of imprisonment
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you think freedom is.
mircea_popescu: where's that great song
mircea_popescu: ;;google and my dirty red bandanna
gribble: Me And Bobby McGee by Janis Joplin Songfacts: <http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=485>; Took my harpoon out of my dirty red bandana – Me and Bobby ...: <http://genius.com/1538822/Kris-kristofferson-me-and-bobby-mcgee/Took-my-harpoon-out-of-my-dirty-red-bandana>; I pulled my harpoon out of my dirty red bandana / I was playing soft ...: <http://genius.com/1028438/Janis- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: aha. check it out, sometimes it hits.
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asciilifeform: the way i see it, in present-day usa you have the choice of buying plastic toilet with rusty nails instead of a seat, or iridium toilet.
asciilifeform: all i'd like is the option of ordinary porcelain.
asciilifeform: like 50yrs ago.
asciilifeform: because iridium is pricey and i'd like to use the money to buy turkeys.
asciilifeform: i've spoken to enough old folks in usa, dug through enough archives, old advertisements, to know what people earned and what they paid for a roof over their head.
asciilifeform: in various times.
mircea_popescu: tis not so simple yo.
mircea_popescu: the people in those various times were supported by earnest empire.
mircea_popescu: loo kwhat the chinese coolie earned in singapore in the same times.
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mircea_popescu: "Gmail Para Tu Negocio Ahora podés verte más profesional con un e-mail personalizado."
mircea_popescu: the irony being that they exactly got it : these fucktards actually believe gonzalez@gmail.com is "moar professional".
mircea_popescu: just like bums drag around broken iphones. they might not work, but fuck, he's practically like almost one step removed from actual humanity. those great fabulous half-god creatures that actually use iphones and actually have professions.
mircea_popescu: what's an argentine to do ?
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asciilifeform: over here, they have working iphones.
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mircea_popescu: ustardian so far lost in this "telling your own story" pipe dream, can't even tell a story anymore.
mircea_popescu: where's the "and then i harassed some nurses" chapter in the man's own rendering of his saga ?
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