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asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: what is wrong with stockpiling AMD opterons?
gabriel_laddel: sure, it is only a temporary solution, but we've no other option
asciilifeform: stockpile the (increasingly unobtainable) mobos first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.00041527 = 19.7253 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: well, Black Mass was a total disappointment
BingoBoingo: Johnny Depp is already a parody of himself. Give it two years and he'll do the Nicholas Cage thing where he fights for parts in straight to home video flicks just to pay the bills.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 240.88, vol: 24768.80455782 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 239.7, vol: 9857.40637 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 241.73, vol: 11952.90201183 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 250.0, vol: 1.28447416 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 245.432246, vol: 20504.38350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 240.25001, vol: 86.56163666 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 242.378949989, vol: 47.69713933 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 242.247140954
trinque: ben_vulpes | worst case scenario, unless the standard is verifiability, #bitcoin-jesters could cause all sortsa problems trying to federate their wot into this one. << I have pondered making deedbot- eat rss feeds *of deeds*; sounds applicable here
trinque: perhaps this calls for a separate address per type of thing
trinque: one for general deeds, one for buy/sell ads, one for rates?
trinque: something to think about. in other news, my journey is complete
trinque: you know, you could probably make a pretty cool DHT system where the indexes of interesting keys are the txns sent from particular addresses
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64450 @ 0.00042634 = 27.4776 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: DraftKings and FanDuel scrutinized for insider info after employee leak, win. ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00042661 = 15.8486 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: BingoBoingo: how do people bet on fantasy sports?
BingoBoingo: They each throw a bit of money into a pot, then winner/platform takes all
BingoBoingo: It's apparently been a year
assbot: Bearwhale - Album on Imgur ... ( )
assbot: All You Need Is Love - The Atlantic ... ( )
assbot: We're Replacing Comments with Something Better | Motherboard ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.0004244 = 13.602 BTC [-]
assbot: Japanese Man Accidentally Burns Down His House While Live Streaming | Japanese Streamer Home Fire - YouTube ... ( )
cazalla: !up gabriel_laddel
assbot: Math Humor ... ( )
gabriel_laddel: some choice lines
gabriel_laddel: "Entropy isn't what it used to be."
gabriel_laddel: "What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?"
gabriel_laddel: "Grigori Perelman's theorem: There is no offer you can't refuse."
gabriel_laddel: most are meh, but w/e
gabriel_laddel: * * * Windows error messages in haiku
gabriel_laddel: A file that big?
gabriel_laddel: It might be very useful.
gabriel_laddel: But now it is gone.
gabriel_laddel: ABORTED effort:
gabriel_laddel: Close all that you have worked on.
gabriel_laddel: You ask way too much.
gabriel_laddel: "No Comments Allowed on Reddit’s New News Site ‘Upvoted’"
gabriel_laddel: Wow, brilliant guys. Really, truly, innovative. Von N., Turing, Engelbart, McCarthy etc would be proud.
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gabriel_laddel: If a man tries to fail and succeeds, which did he do?
gabriel_laddel: A PHD in string theory!
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 01:12:45; asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu wrote something re: how he wants wot as a very fluid and informal animal that can't be 'optimized against'
assbot: Arta pedepsirii on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2015 09:29:18; mircea_popescu: i don't want anything specific. but i will be keeping track of a large ammount of tiny indicators, because anything else results in exam-taking-training.
mircea_popescu: <<< bwahahaha and moscow times is the real thing ?
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 01:26:11; assbot: RT Is a Mock-Up of the Real Thing | Opinion | The Moscow Times ... ( )
mircea_popescu: such lulz.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the russian did it poorly. should have been America Today.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 03:02:26; asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's sometimes-powerful medicine of putting on a blindfold and pretending that nothing happens outside of his wot - will not work here.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 05:28:10; trinque: perhaps this calls for a separate address per type of thing
mircea_popescu: not everything that isn't specced but could be specced should be. that's how idiocy gets in.
mircea_popescu: << they don't. they fantasize that they did.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 07:59:14; punkman: BingoBoingo: how do people bet on fantasy sports?
mircea_popescu has skipped atantic, wired, vice links. will continue to do so.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 02:49:33; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mailz!
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mircea_popescu: so upon examination it turns out that polimedia mx dns record has been poisoned somehow, or what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: anyone else see Preferred: 10p.nsm.ctmail.com38.113.116.194 ESMTP Postfix
kakobrekla: ;; ANSWER SECTION:
kakobrekla: 3599 IN MX 10
gribble: Error: "ANSWER" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: da fuck.
mircea_popescu: local zone is correct.
mircea_popescu: ;; ANSWER SECTION:
gribble: Error: "ANSWER" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ahaha what the everloving fuck.
punkman: I get too
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does this even work ?
assbot: dpaste: 1PBK2J4 ... ( )
punkman: bunch of other people had their MX directed to if you google it
mircea_popescu: << hijack through and through.
assbot: dpaste: 09J1H1A ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "Hello, is a domain used by Internet security software and devices. For more information please contact"
mircea_popescu: For security reason, we cannot have an internal link available to the Public. Please bookmark this link so you can access the site directly.
assbot: Outlook Web App ... ( )
mircea_popescu:, seriously ? obscure "antivirus" corp with no product ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59900 @ 0.00043225 = 25.8918 BTC [+]
assbot: mxlist of page 1/16219 ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2015 19:25:58; AgentScully: I'm kind of sad no one liked my applied crypto pic
mircea_popescu: punkman 16k pages worht of hijacked domains ?!
punkman: right, and nobody has written a blog post about this so far, has been happening for years
mircea_popescu: there's something too weird for life here.
mircea_popescu: o da fuck. Expires On October 01, 2015
punkman: polimedia?
mircea_popescu: "After reviewing your chat transcripts, it appears in the first chat that the Junior Administrator stated specifically what the issue was, which is that the domain is expired as of 8/7/2011. There was also clarification provided that you'd need to contact the registrar directly for the renewal and to update the DNS back to our name-servers."
mircea_popescu: in your link.
mircea_popescu: no fucking wonder's been going on for yearsnobody wrote about it. they'd have to write "umm....lolz"
punkman: so namecheap changed mx record after it expired?
punkman: am disappoint, dns poisoning would've been cool
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
asciilifeform: ok wat is this.
punkman: they should have thrown some kind of error though, instead of silently accepting all teh emails
asciilifeform: oh noez zey stole me ciphertext!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's kinda what was wtfing me, what, i don't paste enough of inbound spam in here or wtf is their problem.
mircea_popescu: punkman im sure they bounced.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: << here it is again. and don't forget to check sig inside.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is a psa/reminder that in point of fact there is ZERO security wrt email. i, or you, or anyone bored one evening can hijack a mx record, read all teh inbound mail etc.
mircea_popescu: if you imagine email has any sort of security you're nuts.
asciilifeform used to work for an outfit that made millions simply in ensuring that this kind of snafu did not happen, for megacorp clients
asciilifeform: this is also a psa/reminder that enemy may not read pgp message, but can substitute his own for yours! sign the material inside.
mircea_popescu: in other unrelated news, namecheap wants 200 bucks to renew your expired domain
mircea_popescu: they do however have a 27 day grace period on top of the 5 day grace period etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is sop
punkman: mircea_popescu: no wai, I just did one the other day for $15
asciilifeform: most of these extortionists have a 'purgatory'
mircea_popescu: yes cuz within the 27 days. they only charged me 8.5 or so
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 09:09:51; gabriel_laddel:
asciilifeform: 'The population density of USA is 100 square people per mile.' << win.
asciilifeform has a fat manually-typewritten stack of these 'militarizms' somewhere
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mircea_popescu: mk we should be back in business. asciilifeform mind remailing me just to see this goes through ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: resent
mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason this went by unobserved for ~20 hours is that a) internal mail still worked, obviousyl, and b) enom decently adds its record with priority 10. there's a bugfeature apparently where some relayers/dns servers prefer higher priority records even if older.
mircea_popescu: either that or they didn't actually change it until the 3rd.
asciilifeform: it still blows my mind that we're relying on a thing that sits on top of dns.
mircea_popescu: ~relying
mircea_popescu: well so i got your email but apparently there;s still someting wrong because it's all garbled and what is this "-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----" stuff.
asciilifeform: diff w/paste ?
asciilifeform: or both similarly garbled ?
mircea_popescu: i'm just being silly!
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asciilifeform is l0ling over 'norsena corp.' in mircea_popescu's dns
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mircea_popescu: what, it's a corp.
asciilifeform: as seen in 'asylum'
mircea_popescu: iirc the idea was that nobody'll ever notice.
asciilifeform noticed ages ago but promptly forgot
asciilifeform: << this was, iirc, tried (abolition of comments on american fishwrap sites) a few yrs ago, but abandoned because it is too pyongyang
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 09:15:29; gabriel_laddel: "No Comments Allowed on Reddit’s New News Site ‘Upvoted’"
asciilifeform: i.e. abandons the appearance of k0nsensoos
mircea_popescu: they'll keep trying. what else is there to do ? compete with pete in pr ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, did i ever tell you i did all the typesetting of that thing myself ?
mircea_popescu: sent files straight to the printer.
asciilifeform: almost like there is some threshold that is crossed (i.e. ~all~ of the comments on an article re: recent oregon 'postal' being such that concern organized mass disarmament) and then they 'ban commentz now!?!!!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that all self-published items are typeset personally ?
asciilifeform: i mean, how else
asciilifeform: but yes, a thinking man goes and latex
asciilifeform: this is sop.
mircea_popescu: a) the printer can't use latex ; b) self published generally means, PoD and a sharky editor that fleeces the hopeful. this was actually printed on web press, so in this sense everything else printed hence is a lot more "self published" than asylum.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: printer tells you what he eats, then you make latex shit it.
mircea_popescu: it may not be the last web pressed fiction offering in the us, but it won't be far ahead of the last i dun think
asciilifeform: typically the machines are able to eat postscript.
mircea_popescu: aha yep, ps.
asciilifeform: no one eats straight latex, afaik
mircea_popescu: but you know, machine shop ps. postscript-with-quirks.
asciilifeform: well aha, they send you params
mircea_popescu: actually in the early 2000s there was some effort on the part of mfgs to support latex
mircea_popescu: it died with the death of the entire publishing industry (actual publishing, ie, putting ink to paper. not predend publishing, aka editing newspapers etc)
asciilifeform has cases full of various items printed by fully-automated print houses with 'put ps here and money here' wwwtronic vending machine
asciilifeform: this has been a thing for some years.
mircea_popescu: all that's pod and if you inspect the covers you'll see the difference between layflat process and pod covers.
asciilifeform: it is not hard to tell apart
asciilifeform: laserprint toner shines
mircea_popescu: back then it wasn't even fucking expensive, iirc it cost ~25 cents per
asciilifeform: (and, after some years, comes off the page)
mike_c: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I don't see a discrepancy. It updates nightly with the wot database dumps. So probably he changed the rating and btcalpha hadn't picked up the change yet.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the economics of webprint are not unlike those of circuit board
asciilifeform: yes, make 3000 and it is 25c each.
mircea_popescu: quite identical.
mircea_popescu: mike_c he didn't know you can rate in pm, most likely.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall what the run was. maybe 8k ?
asciilifeform: the sad part is that there is no real reason why pod couldn't offer a decent cover
asciilifeform: for extra $$
asciilifeform: << i have this edition. it pre-dates his public betrayal and is, afaik, uncensored (vs 1st)
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 12:41:59; davout: <<< because second edition
asciilifeform: schneier's book
asciilifeform: afaik everyone who programs, has this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the "back then" comment is that i'd be much surprised you can find sanely priced layflat process anymore. because yes, mass production needs the mass.
asciilifeform: 'Dear students! Remember that money can solve anything! Even complicated differential equations.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recently popped a crate with 4th ed. stroustrup. it was, to my surprise, proper lay-flat. but the pleasant surprise turned to ick when i saw that it, for no particular reason, had blue as well as black print, and a good fraction of the blue is smudged !
asciilifeform: in some places, even double-struck
asciilifeform: to the point of unreadability
asciilifeform: who does this?!
mircea_popescu recalls "specialty ink" was more expensive than "double the run"
mircea_popescu: yes i briefly considered printing it in green
asciilifeform: at least it clearly wasn't laser-print!
asciilifeform: (laser print does not behave this way)
mircea_popescu: but perhaps it was handprinted.
asciilifeform: devil knows
asciilifeform: fiddybux doesn't buy handprint, afaik
asciilifeform: the strongest hypothesis is that it was 'we don't giveafuck, you'll buy it'-manufactured.
mircea_popescu: fiddybux buys ~half of reddit.
mircea_popescu: clucked, if you prefer, rather than handprint
asciilifeform: '—Some bike thief managed to open my combination lock. How could they possibly guess that the combo was the year of the canonization of Saint Dominic by Pope Gregory IX at Rieti, Italy? —What year was that? —1234.'
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assbot: Navy Diversifies Ships' Cyber Systems to Foil Hackers - IEEE Spectrum ... ( )
asciilifeform: d1v3rs1ty!!!11
asciilifeform: 'Swartz had grown moody and stopped showing up to work. At one point, after he wrote a blog post envisioning his own death, Ohanian called the police to break into his apartment. Swartz laughed it off. Meanwhile, publicly, he called himself one of Reddit’s cofounders, taking credit for an idea Huffman and Ohanian believed to be theirs alone. In January of 2007, he was fired. Six years later, he hanged himself while facing a
asciilifeform: federal criminal trial on hacking and fraud charges.'
asciilifeform: l0l, unpersoned already.
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mircea_popescu: assbot> [upon reading about it on trilema,] Navy Diversifies Ships' Cyber Systems to Foil Hackers - IEEE Spectrum << FTFT.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Apple will trade above $150 on or before New Year's Day 2016 -
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funkenstein_: whoops gone already sorry
fluffypony: what was it, funkenstein_?
assbot: $50 / to plug in a box! ... ( )
funkenstein_: fluffypony, i was gonna ask you
funkenstein_: somebody wants moar noadz i guess
diametric: ugh i hate when the channel notifies me my nick was mentioned but then it gets lost in scrollback.
assbot: [Cryptography] OpenPGP SEIP downgrade attack ... ( )
jurov: diametric, set your scrollback to 1000 lines :)
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'The implications are, among others, that an encrypted and signed message can be stripped of its signature and modified arbitrarily, with certain restrictions, by an attacker without knowing the key.' << ahahahaha
ascii_field: which is why i say IF NOT SIGNED, MESSAGE IS FROM HITLER
ascii_field: 'GPG throws a warning [3] that the message could have been modified, but other implementations do not differentiate between SE and SEIP.' << what 'other implementations' ? microshit crypto ?
trinque: diametric also for weechat there's
trinque: gives you a buffer of highlights
diametric: supposedly my bouncer is suppose to capture my damn highlights but it never seems to work right.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al: see also old thread,
assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 01:45:37; asciilifeform: << presently they are quite unlike! hash type for general-purpose message signing is ~selectable~ from the handful of traditional algos; hash for signature ~of keys~ is hardwired to sha1 !
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 14:12:48; asciilifeform: << aha. but ever notice that it's sha1, and can't be changed to anything else? and, likewise, self-sigs are hardcoded to use sha1? it is pestilentially pervasive in the rfc, and Must Die
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2015 16:11:55; mircea_popescu: psa : brie is THE omlette cheese.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever seen "Forbidden Zone"?
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: i have not.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: if i'm responding to a message that was encrypted to my key, and demonstrate knowledge of the cleartext, does that not support unhitlerdom?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: nope
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: think:
assbot: Forbidden Zone DANNY ELFMAN DEVIL--COLOR - YouTube ... ( )
mircea_popescu: davout they don;'t have much roquefort here, unfortunately.
ascii_field: 1) i encrypt a message to ben_vulpes's pubkey 2) i send to him 3) hitler picks it up from the wire and throws it away 4) hitler encrypts substitute message to ben_vulpes's pubkey 5) he sends
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now has spurious message.
mircea_popescu: this is valuable.
ascii_field: valuable if he knows that it is spurious.
ascii_field: otherwise lethal.
mircea_popescu: we'd think ben_vulpes knows better.
ben_vulpes: i'd dearly lurve to see hitler diddle freenode like that
mircea_popescu: or in general. cheap spying, really.
mircea_popescu: "here's what hitler WANTED you to think he said".
mircea_popescu: and with that, i shall be off to buy wine. to sweeten the wait, i leave you with
ascii_field: any halfway decent hitler plants ~deniable~ diddles.
ascii_field: l0l chewing gum section !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00050016 = 1.9756 BTC [-]
assbot: ClubOrlov: The World's Silliest Empire ... ( )
ascii_field: 'The first bit of extreme silliness surfaced when Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III, the head of the United States Central Command, told a Senate panel that only a very small number of Syrian fighters trained by the United States remained in the fight—perhaps as few as five. The tab for training and equipping them was $500 million. That's $100 million per fighter, but that's OK, because it's all good as long as the militar
ascii_field: y contractors are getting paid. Things got even sillier when it later turned out that even these few fighters got car-jacked by ISIS/al Qaeda in Syria (whatever they are currently calling themselves) and got their vehicles and weapons taken away from them.'
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
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ascii_field: 'Undeterred by diplomacy, the US squeezed off a couple of cruise missiles in the general direction of Syria, but the Russians promptly shot them out of the sky, triggering a major rethink at the Pentagon and, of course, making the US look rather silly.' << i missed this?
ascii_field: 'Of course, being Americans, they have to prosecute this information war in the silliest way possible. First, you trot out your claims of civilian casualties before the Russians fly a single sortie. Oops! Then you stuff the social media with fake pictures of wounded children produced beforehand by performers in white helmets paid for by George Soros. And then, when asked for evidence, you refuse to provide any.' << l0lz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00050016 = 1.5255 BTC [-]
jurov 's admining the bash ... and would like to have "please resubmit this to wiki" button
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 02:29:13; asciilifeform: !b 13
jurov: or the badminton gayness thread
jurov: whatever, flushed. BingoBoingo if you are ever about to !bN where N > 5, just add it to wiki.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: how's the wine mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: dude this country... so there's a nice wine shop, trying you know, to be upscale.
mircea_popescu: i go in, i want to buy stuff, i select a decent half dozen. i get TWENTYFIVE OFF for paying cash.
mircea_popescu: 25%, fancy that. clearly visa is such a challenger for bitcoin.
ascii_field: sounds more like an orc selling under the register
mircea_popescu: then, the guy can't work his fucking machine, takes him longer to input my economic activity into his fucking compuer than it took me to engage in it.
ascii_field: (puts money in pocket, writes down 'broke some bottles, sorry')
mircea_popescu: dude was clearly shop owner.
mircea_popescu: moving on : he can't fucking pack for the life of him.
ascii_field: perhaps has a partner
ascii_field: who needs to not-be-paid a bit
mircea_popescu: i bought two champagne flutes of actual genuine bohemian glass (i tested, couldn't believe either)
mircea_popescu: 90 peso each. ~5 dollars.
mircea_popescu: then he packed them. he packed ONE in about a cubic foot of corrugated cardboard, sat the other bare next to it. just like that, in the bag.
ascii_field: is leaded glass such a rarity today?
mircea_popescu: since they decided to pretend like " swarovski crystals" yes.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it is fucking impossible to make sense of these people. it's like selective down syndrome, only half the brain is affected.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not like he didn't give me a receipt.
ascii_field: in usa it's the other half..
ascii_field: (but often, both.)
mircea_popescu: srsly. in usa it's the other half.
mircea_popescu: the fucked up sorts of choices one has to face.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you think, if you decide in your late 40s to switch gears and open a wanna-be wine shop, that you pick up the fucking book of how to pack, do exercises in your garage, something ?
ascii_field: i've been - imho, very decently - packing 'ebay' gizmos for yearz
mircea_popescu: just so customers don't look at you while you amble around with your two left legs transplanted for arms ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu actually got to see an example of my l337 p4ck1ng
ascii_field: at least, what ro customs left of it !
mircea_popescu: lol right.
assbot: ‘No Borders’ Activist Gang Raped By Migrants, Pressured Into Silence To Not ‘Damage Cause’ | Opinion - Conservative ... ( )
mircea_popescu: not that it's not readily believable, not that there aren't excellent reasons why it's not in the usg agitprop.
mircea_popescu: im sure all the libertard activists are gonna be all over libtardsplainin' this one.
ascii_field: they had at least one almost identical case during the tahrir square idiocy
mircea_popescu: they will continue to have exactly identicalones for as long as uppitty overfed western women get to interact with the real world.
ascii_field: most of them know better than to venture into the 'real world', aha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.0004952 = 23.5963 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29440 @ 0.00049444 = 14.5563 BTC [-]
assbot: Talos Intel - Threat Spotlight: Angler Exposed Generating Millions in Revenue ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00049301 = 15.2094 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 377759 | Current Difficulty: 6.0813224039440346E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 379007 | Next Difficulty In: 1248 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 21 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: <jurov> whatever, flushed. BingoBoingo if you are ever about to !bN where N > 5, just add it to wiki. << k
punkman: so many lolz in bash, someone's gotta do a stand up show
assbot: Yield of 0% a First at 3-Month Treasury-Bill Sale - WSJ ... ( )
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
mircea_popescu: i keep wondering reading that if it's just you know, me lolzing because insider jokes and it's really more like lolsnort,
mircea_popescu: or whether genuinely hysterical.
punkman: there's both
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20209 @ 0.00049301 = 9.9632 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, lassia 2013 malbec/csauvignon coupage is quite adequate sandwich wine.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck they use plastic corks is beyond me, but anyway.
hanbot: cvasignon! what do you sandwich it with?
punkman: maybe they can't import enough cork
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00049678 = 24.1932 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: punkman i'd expect cork tree grows here.
mircea_popescu: it grows in fucking greece ffs.
hanbot: portugal.
mircea_popescu: it grows all over, it's oak.
punkman: I don't think there's enough to go around these days
mircea_popescu: hanbot you sandwich fiambres!
deedbot-: [Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), September 2015 Statement -
mircea_popescu: re that article, i would direct the esteemed readership to footnote three in very particular.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
trinque: << no it doesn't, simmer down. << sure I'm not actually going to do this
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 05:28:10; trinque: perhaps this calls for a separate address per type of thing
trinque: curious though how to make the WoT generally available data
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the thing is practically begging to be c++11-ized
trinque: perhaps it must be centralized in some manner, though perhaps backed up elsewhere
ascii_field: with refcountatronic pointers, etc
mircea_popescu: trinque the major point s that wot is not actually generally available. just like trust is not a scalar,
mircea_popescu: wot data is meanginelss out of context.
trinque: that makes sense
mircea_popescu: i might care what i rated x, or what you rated x. but the meaning of these ratings to a third party we don't know is necessarily 0.
mircea_popescu: obviously the ustardian approach to things ("let's steal someshit!") will try and pretend like it's not so, to "build a business" out of it.
mircea_popescu: but notwithstandingtheir hopes and aspirations to "build businesses", you can't make money renting out the space inside your nose.
mircea_popescu: as carlin aptly observed.
ascii_field: where was that thread
ascii_field: with gossipd/wot
mircea_popescu: in the logs!!1 :D
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 05:29:32; mircea_popescu: this harms because : it gives unknowns a weight they should not have ; it removes the incentive for users to police at their local level ; it allows third parties to construct undeniable chatlogs that they had no business in.
assbot: Matthew Garrett Forks the Linux Kernel - Slashdot ... ( )
ascii_field: 10,001 people have forked the kernel...
ascii_field: for fucks sake ~i~ forked the kernel
ascii_field: snore.
BingoBoingo: But this time with more Social Justice Whales
mike_c: trinque - you know the wot database is dumped nightly, right?
trinque: yeah, we've just got this fancy decentralized database and so everything looks like a nail
mike_c: there's enough broken things around to fix. the wot seems to be working :)
trinque: sure sure, was idle speculation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38895 @ 0.00049678 = 19.3223 BTC [+]
mike_c: now if we could decentralize PCB routing..
mike_c: maybe ethereum can do it
assbot: mjg59 | Internet abuse culture is a tech industry problem ... ( )
assbot: mjg59 | Reverse this ... ( )
assbot: mjg59 | On joining the FSF board ... ( )
BingoBoingo: "Being a cis white man who's a native English speaker from a fairly well-off background, I'm pretty familiar with privilege. "
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: which garrett is this ?!
mircea_popescu: oh. for a momenbt i thought it was the lord british garrett.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares seriously.
mircea_popescu: "Cutting yourself off from that community impairs your ability to do work"
mircea_popescu: dude get fucked, cutting b=a from the imbecillity has improved its ability to do work like 10x if not more.
mircea_popescu: one sufficient reason ethereum will never ever amount to anything is exactly its failure to cut itself off from idiots.
mircea_popescu: and so forth.
BingoBoingo: Just you wait, next this heretic kernel gets KDBUS then Debian will switch to it. Maybe Fedora first because of Poettering.
mircea_popescu: heck, bitcoin got a lot better once it cut itself off from the usgavin & freiends
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo debian can switch to dead squirrel for all the difference it makes to me.
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> << speaking of which, plox to give the guy's numbers a good shakedown, because im considering listing xotika this month.
Naphex: aye i'll have a special section for all this soon. at the moment first report delivered like this
ascii_field: countdown to 'intel et al supports garret kernel only' in 3, 2, 1...
mircea_popescu: they can support "free syrian militia" or w/e also for all the difference it makes irl.
ascii_field: in irl they make hardware.
ascii_field: soon to be the only workstation hardware.
ascii_field: 'For far too long, Linux has discriminated against "differently abled" code, with all its segregationist notions of kernel-vs-userspace. And even within userspace, could the very word "permissions" get any closer to "privilege"??? At long last, viruses we have historically relegated to the slums of Windows will finally have the right to run in the ivory sandbox of Linux - We need "Runtime Justice" for all code, whether
ascii_field: CLI or GUI, whether drivers or devices, whether signed or malware! There is no such thing as an "illegal" instruction!' << win
ascii_field: best tr0l0l0l
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18982 @ 0.00049232 = 9.3452 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: '"He is a recipient of the Free Software Award from the Free Software Foundation for his work on Secure Boot, UEFI, and the Linux kernel". Ah! All the bits that I *don't* want in the kernel. Did he work on systemd too?'
ascii_field: this was a thing ?!!!
mircea_popescu: see, thisis the problem of weak men.
mircea_popescu: rms poses as strong, is weak, on this word taken at its word fsf is born, then i have to contend with "fucking awards"
mircea_popescu: i propose to you that there is exactly one reason satoshi kept quiet and buggered off.
mircea_popescu: that reason is - that he did not want to face my wrath.
ascii_field: eh, steve morse is still alive
ascii_field: (author of 8086)
ascii_field: faced wrath of mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: how did that quote go
mircea_popescu: "Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me."
mircea_popescu: anyway. the advantage of anon & disappeared as opposed to "going to every conference that serves pasta" is that you don't have to face the "i fucking expected better of you" reproach.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
jurov: imma send any gay with doubts to this chan
mircea_popescu: whyssat ?
mircea_popescu: !up livegnik
jurov: if they aren't aroused by these chicks, then there is no doubt left :D
mircea_popescu: notrly, just upping people.
mircea_popescu: jurov is gayness actually "not aroused by women" ?
mircea_popescu: i thought it was more along the "prefers to fuck guys"
jurov: what else
mircea_popescu: if a dude's aroused by stockings he's not a stockingay now, is he ?
jurov: "women in stockings arouse me. am i gay or not?"
mircea_popescu has known plenty of gay dudes fetishistically aroused by slavegirls, in the slave aspect rather than in the girl aspect
mircea_popescu: "wannabe her"
jurov: oh that. i was joking about dudes that cannot distinguish that yet.
jurov: ;;seen williamdunne
gribble: williamdunne was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 0 days, 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <williamdunne> But yah
livegnik: Thnx mircea_popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50650 @ 0.00048715 = 24.6741 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 247.46, Best ask: 247.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 247.47, 24 hour volume: 17622.82420398, 24 hour low: 240.71, 24 hour high: 249.01, 24 hour vwap: None
mike_c: I'm tired of 200->300->200->300->...
mike_c: get a new trick ticker.
mircea_popescu: dude it's stable like visa!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41821 @ 0.00049678 = 20.7758 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: eur/usd!
Naphex: after some feedback i have cleaned the report some. A revised version is available here:
assbot: XOtika.TV Statement - 08/06/2015 to 06/10/2015 ... ( )
mike_c: !rated naphex
assbot: You have not rated naphex.
mike_c: !rate naphex 2 serial btc entrepreneur
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
mircea_popescu: super cereal!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is it domain/avatar.png or /avatar.jpg on your blog for avatars?
mircea_popescu: you can just source a page you knwo
mike_c: positive cash flow.. looks like a bizness to me
mircea_popescu: so it does.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00048403 = 13.5044 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: seems he hit the ground running, at least sofar.
mircea_popescu: anyway, youtube substitute is certainly needed in teh republic.
mircea_popescu: say Naphex, wouldn't you want to run a server for s.nsa too ?
Naphex: i also have domains ready for non adult related content
mircea_popescu: i'll pay the upfront for colo, you just have to do the minimal sysadmining ascii_field might require
Naphex: but it sure as hell needs a lot more capacity
Naphex: and servers and the way to monetizing everything is long
mircea_popescu: one expansion idea would be somnething like a mumble server. but integrated with xotika.
mircea_popescu: somehow. dunno how. but gamers and strippers is the winner combo.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field needs very little other than the box
mircea_popescu: mike_c anyway, willprobably have to yield some of the % which is maybe high atm. but still, i think it has nice perspectives.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: percentage is right about perfect at the moment; performers adjust the price and tipping is completly voluntary
Naphex: i will be yielding up to 35% based on quarterly performance
mircea_popescu: makes sense
Naphex: or better yet; down too
Naphex: performers have a goal system soon to be objective system they can set up
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> say Naphex, wouldn't you want to run a server for s.nsa too ? << ?
Naphex: can do
mircea_popescu: what's your provider quote for a 32gb amd something with ~1tb hdd ?
Naphex: tell me what you need and i can call my rep and sort it out
Naphex: i'll get a quote on that tomorrow
Naphex: i usually buy my own hardware and use that pay per 1U
Naphex: most of their offers are supermicro's but have all sorts
mircea_popescu can picture alf jumping up and down
Naphex: i use 2U dells
mircea_popescu: yeah i can see buying the hw and getting 1u or 2u as needed.
Naphex: you can buy the hardware and ship it to the DC
mircea_popescu: really it should fit in 1u i think ?
ascii_field: i've yet to see this kind of thing in 1u
ascii_field: but who knows
mike_c: really? you can fit a lot in 1u these days
mircea_popescu: i thought they mostly fit it in 1u by now.
mircea_popescu not an expert.
assbot: ASUS RS500A-E6/PS4 1U Rackmount Server Barebone Dual Socket G34 AMD SR5650 DDR3 1600/1333/1066/800 - ... ( )
mircea_popescu: and under the overheard in my house heading, "would you like to taste my pee ?" "sure. but... didn't you just have asparagus ?" "aha" "that's supposed to be the #1 pee ruiner." "oh man, i can actually taste the asparagus wow!" "is it strong ?" "it's pretty strong yeah".
mircea_popescu: i guess tomorrow im having pineapple.
ascii_field: next, amanita magic mushroom ?
ascii_field: (expelled unchanged!)
mircea_popescu: im not that into psychoactives.
ascii_field: sure. but asparagus only goes so far..
assbot: Bitpay payments not being paid " invalid transaction associated to this invoice as a result of the stress test" : Bitcoin ... ( )
BingoBoingo: So malleability thing going now, excepting retards that do the 0-conf depend on txid... pretty much a mempool bloater
jurov: and it helps exchange rate, it seems
jurov: re:mempool, interesting that stan found out txen are never actually freed (see last S.NSA report)
BingoBoingo: Especially never freed if never mined, because malleable got the other conf'd first
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ^ in case anyone did not understand that 'voice command' is asinine
ascii_field: << i would like to see some of the folks here independently confirm this discovery.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 20:54:27; jurov: re:mempool, interesting that stan found out txen are never actually freed (see last S.NSA report)
ascii_field: and more people-other-than-me-hacking-on-therealbitcoin in general.
ascii_field: ;;seen artifexd
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
BingoBoingo: Half a year in the life
ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al: << user interfaces in china. interesting enough to be worth the work (googletranslate if you must)
assbot: Что я узнал про интерфейсы в реальном мире в Китае / Блог компании Мосигра / Хабрахабр ... ( )
ascii_field: epic mega-treatise.
trinque: Given that the main problem of the country - to cope with different types of DDoS on the infrastructure due to the large number of users, different solutions are born. For example, the train has a separate toilet and separate washrooms. Excellent TRIZ principle - separation. << thinking about human DDOS... awesome.
ascii_field: re: triz:
ascii_field: !s altshuller
assbot: 2 results for 'altshuller' :
assbot: Logged on 22-05-2014 17:16:09; asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: 'And Suddenly the Inventor Appeared.' by Genrich Altshuller.
ascii_field: ^ mega-scholar
ascii_field: in all seriousness
ascii_field: imho the only man to have ever gotten anywhere studying invention in the abstract.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00048697 = 9.569 BTC [+]
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: many houses in Portland had that stairstepped portion as on the bridge
trinque: on steep driveways
mod6: sweet, V code is basically complete. one remaining test left to write surrouding 'press' (shouldn't take long), then just documentation to write about the thing.
mod6: almost there :]
ascii_field: mod6: neat!
ascii_field: mod6: what's surrounding-press ?
ascii_field: oh i get it
ascii_field: this is your v-in-perl ?
mod6: yeah. i mean, "cucumber automated test that surrounds (gives coverage to) the press function"
mod6: so that's the only thing left and then just user documentation. and then can start passing around the first version for people to try out to ensure of zero major defects.
ascii_field: mod6: you may end up, like it or not, king of 'v' ! see latest s.nsa broadcast.
mod6: then will publish to th elist.
mod6: I saw your comments in your monthly s.nsa broadcast :)
ascii_field: my only real quibble with the preview of this (or was it punkman's ??) 'v' shown a while back, is that it used interactive questions to user
ascii_field: 'v' really needs to be a pure commandline thing
ascii_field: as in, there ought to be no operations which result in prompts
mod6: ah, no this thing doesn't prompt at all. just command line flags. works a lot like your implementation. no caching, etc.
ascii_field: then great.
mod6: one major difference is i'm using Getopt::Long to control user input -- which ends up altering flags instead of 'w' for wot, ends up being '-w' or '--wot' but I think we can get over that.
ascii_field: why does it demand the - ?
mod6: its just how it determines options from values.
mod6: perhaps later, i could rebuild my own or something.
ascii_field: can't just get argv raw ?
mod6: I actually started with this, but .. it got hairy to control some of the input.
mod6: Tried out Getopt::Long and it was able to do what I wanted with much less arm-wrestling.
mod6: Eh, who knows, maybe I can take another wack at that part before I'm finished here.
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00024131 / 0.00028698 / 0.0003036 (750 shares, 0.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00024109 / 0.00033121 / 0.00040884 (78161 shares, 25.89 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mod6: ascii_field: so yah, now that the code is pretty much complete, I'll see if I can get rid of getopt::long and elegantly implement the options handling on my own.
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, ok - this works just fine now, seems even more clean than getopt::long.
mod6: sweet.
punkman: ascii_field: my only real quibble with the preview of this (or was it punkman's ??) 'v' shown a while back, is that it used interactive questions to user << yeah it can export the patch sequence and you can then press without interaction
punkman: another possibility is that it'd let you choose multiple heads and then it'd lookup all ascendants of chosen heads and press with those
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00049403 = 4.9897 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00049311 = 9.8622 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 246.99, vol: 27730.59016906 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 242.739, vol: 10097.16641 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 247.58, vol: 16982.7753674 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 251.382703, vol: 21700.21620000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 245.88, vol: 79.87407055 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 247.94, vol: 126.26585765 | Volume-weighted last average: 247.804040843
cazalla: does anyone know what this is? finding many of them on the surface of the garden most mornings, thought i was going crazy at first as i removed a couple but they are popping up everywhere
BingoBoingo: Any nearby trees?
cazalla: many
cazalla: finding it on top of potted plants too
BingoBoingo: Any of them have shit looking vaguely like that growing on them?
cazalla: not on the trees or plants, just the soil
cazalla: those little brown balls are dry and when broken up seem to spread in the air like a dandelion
BingoBoingo: Gotta be some sort of flower/seed
BingoBoingo: But since australia prolly crazy poisonous
BingoBoingo: !up artifexd
assbot: Agility - Pembroke Welsh Corgi Puppies-Celestial Star Corgis ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mike_c the discrepancy is that of the +/- sign. Strangely, just since last night, the sign indicated in the 'direct' row changed from (-) to () [aka (+)], but the graph line is still red instead of green, as seen here :
assbot: Page not found | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
gribble: Error: "aka" is not a valid command.
pete_dushenski: also, i know that you can rate in private. sheesh u guise.
pete_dushenski: gribble no le gusta square brackets ?
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mike_c the discrepancy is that of the +/- sign. Strangely, just since last night, the sign indicated in the 'direct' row changed from (-) to () (aka (+)), but the graph line is still red instead of green, as seen here :
assbot: Page not found | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: hm. guess so. til.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00049549 = 6.8873 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;grammar gribble has a one all its own
gribble: Error: "grammar" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: !up wpalczynski
BingoBoingo: !up SirJacket
pete_dushenski: << and here i was imaging mp shmoozing with local intelligencia that he'd somehow attracted with a giant magnet from clear across the country, having his girls pour bubbly while the conversation drifted from how one tests for ~actual genuine bohemian glass~ to the best surgeon's stitch for a knife wound in the back to the best source for local huevos to
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 00:23:19; mircea_popescu: << lol. i have yet to meet an argentinian that would be qualified to finish highschool. fortunately, online's a thing.
pete_dushenski: goodness only knows !
pete_dushenski: mpoe up 25% overnight. snazzy. hope a few of you caught a piece of the sale ;)
pete_dushenski: << at least until pr pete shows up. then the lay-low-party's over.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 19:52:02; mircea_popescu: anyway. the advantage of anon & disappeared as opposed to "going to every conference that serves pasta" is that you don't have to face the "i fucking expected better of you" reproach.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i still think there are thinking folks hidden deep in b-a. ~somebody~ is buying that cnc machinery.
BingoBoingo: I believe in PR pete
pete_dushenski: << been reading more about gaming marketing. stumbled across popcap games, which reminded me that once upon a time, more than a half-decade ago, i actually played an iOS game for a stretch : plants vs. zombies (tower defense game)
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 20:27:24; mircea_popescu: somehow. dunno how. but gamers and strippers is the winner combo.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54508 @ 0.00049346 = 26.8975 BTC [-]
cazalla: pete_dushenski, that became an ios game at the tail end of its lifetime
pete_dushenski: aha. didn't know that.
pete_dushenski: oh, i guess i also played 'words with friends' but that's really just scrabble, not much of a 'computer game'
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform what makes you think anyone is arhentina is buying cnc machinery ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47467 @ 0.00049558 = 23.5237 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: << makes sense. look at the size of those dividends. cripes.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 19:36:34; mircea_popescu: <Naphex> << speaking of which, plox to give the guy's numbers a good shakedown, because im considering listing xotika this month.
pete_dushenski: impressive work, Naphex !
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i do not know who is buying. but someone is selling...
asciilifeform: uploading photos i snapped personally
asciilifeform: << just for pete_dushenski
assbot: cnc in buenos aires - Album on Imgur ... ( )
asciilifeform: both cnc and traditional mills, lathes, in a little shop.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes was standing right next to me when i saw this.
asciilifeform: (and iirc he, unlike i, had even been inside at one time)
pete_dushenski: perhaps the number of cnc machines for sale in buenos aires is indicative of the lack of thinking folks there ?
asciilifeform does not follow the syllogism
pete_dushenski: that they're still for sale.
pete_dushenski: and not in someone's shop or home laboratory
asciilifeform: unless the whole thing is a front, someone is buying
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform because why ? like arhentina has an economy or something ?
pete_dushenski: sounds to me like it's 100% posturing that no estan pobres
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: presumably the shop keeper pays rent
asciilifeform: with... money
pete_dushenski: and he draws in customers into his store with cnc machines in the front window
asciilifeform: and what, cuts them up for organs ?
pete_dushenski: like putting a bugatti veyron in the window of sachs fifth avenue
pete_dushenski: no one buys, many coo and gawk and maybe even walk in to buy some perfume
asciilifeform: perfume?!
asciilifeform: i saw a drum of cutting lube
pete_dushenski: at sachs, yes.
asciilifeform: i suppose for some - perfume.
pete_dushenski: not much for shopping are ya ?
asciilifeform: i usually get things mailed in
pete_dushenski: i guess without ebay and paypal you'd be swimming in dough
asciilifeform: but once in a while i go to a shop.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> no one buys, many coo and gawk and maybe even walk in to buy some perfume << TrueFax, brother and his wife got their newest corgi AT A DISCOUNT because it had the "fluffy" mutation
pete_dushenski: fluffy corgi ? got a pic ?
asciilifeform: most recently, went into one that had gps-guided gigantic quadrocopters for sale. at ~1300 usd a pop, even. funnily, they sell. and idiots fly them into various 'forbidden zones' like whitehouse, etc.
asciilifeform: (the costly machines fly themselves, luser points and grunts on his ipNohe to give coordinates)
asciilifeform: (for anyone unfamiliar with the subject - serious multicopter aficionados sneer at luserdom, and build strictly from parts)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22759 @ 0.00049346 = 11.2307 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: hell, copter's cheaper than ipNohe (top end)
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> fluffy corgi ? got a pic ? << Challenge because of few good options to move pics from turdopnoHe to Interwebs since Imgur app went retarded
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: wai wut?!
asciilifeform: which pnohe costs >1300 usd ?
pete_dushenski: the top end one.
pete_dushenski: ah, maybe cad...
pete_dushenski: bit of a ding on cad/usd of late.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 20:52:06; BingoBoingo: So malleability thing going now, excepting retards that do the 0-conf depend on txid... pretty much a mempool bloater
assbot: Logged on 05-10-2015 05:59:13; assbot: Logged on 04-10-2015 17:49:14; mircea_popescu: check out bizarro tx rewriting. i issued fca843c0b40a1755eee073a719c856baa7fbf5ac28db84804a44a91f52638632 which worked as expected, but apparently there's a 5269a0e862876040db21706a7849ffd1b7d63e72d6dd61b1d2431a51698bb007 restatement of it
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: current quote is ~1k usd for the fattest one from apple
asciilifeform: go, buy.
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform plus extended warranty plus dock plus case plus plus plus. this is all sop.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 21:01:44; ascii_field: ^ in case anyone did not understand that 'voice command' is asinine
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try walking into a room of gadget collectors, and say 'OK google, delete all...'
BingoBoingo: Not much longer, but long enough for Derpanies to latch onto Derp hosted wallet's engineering error to make excuses for themselves
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then watch their faces
mircea_popescu: !up iinaj
asciilifeform: (i do not know in which languages this feature works today, but english world is awash in it)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform must be they put something in my coffee. wut ?!
mircea_popescu: voicecommand as in, !v ? and google delete what ? items ?
asciilifeform: link concerned an article regarding voice-controlled gadgets
asciilifeform: which can be, it turns out, 'commanded' remotely via strategically-shaped radio signal - which gets heterodyned in the headphones
mircea_popescu: yeah i totally wanna see 6 axis 1mw robot arms controlled by voice.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform plus extended warranty plus dock plus case plus plus plus. this is all sop. << No one I know with iPNohes paid for them, teh_ girlfriendz (or their dads did
asciilifeform: (typically it is a pNohe)
mircea_popescu: "i didn't say pound me into pate, i said bring tea to pete!"
pete_dushenski: egyptian licorice tea, if you please
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: normally in usa the telco pays (in exchange for an indenture lock-in chumping)
mircea_popescu: they DO have various girl submission devices that are intended to be phone controlled.
mircea_popescu: butterflies and whatnot.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not anymore, financing plan is new SOP
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with 'bluetooth' receivers even.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think this was in the log
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: rental thing
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo in usistan, home of the brave leasees, only
asciilifeform: (why? i've no idea)
asciilifeform: who rents a $1k gadget ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not rental, as of earlier this year loan, just like for car
mircea_popescu: << i dunno about that, guy's already king of a vast domain.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 21:47:00; ascii_field: mod6: you may end up, like it or not, king of 'v' ! see latest s.nsa broadcast.
mircea_popescu: more kings needed.
asciilifeform: i mean, i'd rent an excavator, say, if i only wanted it for a day
asciilifeform: but rent phone ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do i need to link you to the article delineating fucking organizers bought on time ?
asciilifeform: throwback to pre-at&t breakup..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was in egypt iirc ?
mircea_popescu: buenos aires, same thing.
asciilifeform: i suppose gringolandia is now a kind of egyptertina
mircea_popescu: it's actually remarkably close to where egypt was, pre us/saudi split and the entire nonsense since 2000s.
asciilifeform: (phun phakt: lucent corp. still brings in $20M/yr or so... renting out rotary phones. caveat is that this figure is a few yrs old, and a substantial number of the chumps are likely to have succumbed to old age since it was last published)
mircea_popescu: cairo, 50% of population, ba 50% of population. nonsensical govt, nonsensical govt ; very mentally stunted population that excels at menial, labour intensive tasks ; overblown palace bureaucracy, the entire works.
mircea_popescu: only difference is the egyptian chicks fuck more intensively while the argentines look better. but...\
asciilifeform: as in all orcish lands ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno. ukrs nothing like that.
asciilifeform: ~which~ ukrs ?
asciilifeform: (true ukrs, or east ?)
mircea_popescu: true ukrs
asciilifeform knows these folks largely secondhand
mircea_popescu: it's "colonies where the indigents weren't massacred". mexico, egypt, you name it.
mircea_popescu: heck, even china, at leastoriginally.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: << New one is one the left, smaller dog 14 weeks of age
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you clink it. has a very speciffic sound.
asciilifeform: incidentally (and if ben_vulpes were awake he might explain) lead is often added to other substances, not only glass, to ease machining
mircea_popescu: certainly leaded glass is a better blow.
asciilifeform: e.g., 'free machining steel' used by prototype makers is often leaded
asciilifeform: better ~cut~
mircea_popescu: that also.
asciilifeform: (that was the original point of throwing in the pb)
asciilifeform: it is a lubricant.
mircea_popescu: i thought much better friability.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: << More detail
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pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo dog's as fluffy as the rug. thankfully, not as green.
mircea_popescu: was the original point
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Indeed
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aha. neat !
mircea_popescu: <<< yeah. somebody looking for a clothes hanger.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 23:57:38; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i still think there are thinking folks hidden deep in b-a. ~somebody~ is buying that cnc machinery.
assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 23:59:24; cazalla: pete_dushenski, that became an ios game at the tail end of its lifetime
asciilifeform: and this is where we learn that mircea_popescu cnc-machines his hangers from beryllium copper
mircea_popescu: in fact, i intend to have a td minigame added as an eulora activity eventually.
BingoBoingo will try to bring better, actual camera next time. Smaller Dog's name is Beans. The larger dog is Frank. Both have short legs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one's gotta do what one's gotta do when running out of perky nips.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in fact, i intend to have a td minigame added as an eulora activity eventually. << Before or after Lich's are implemented as a thing to become
mircea_popescu: prolly before.
BingoBoingo: But then who holds the towers?
mod6: asciilifeform: ya, you were right... got nice looking option control now with only @ARGV. not sure what my malfunction was before.
asciilifeform: neato mod6 !
mircea_popescu: nah, it's a minigame see. something like, you build the case for it, place it in the world, then people use it like a sort of arcade.
mircea_popescu: and you make money from it, and so on.
asciilifeform: << my point was that i no longer see a point in maintaining my original 'v' - mod6 has a considerably spiffier one, which ought to be the flagship
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 00:22:14; mircea_popescu: << i dunno about that, guy's already king of a vast domain.
asciilifeform: mine was more of a proof of concept / motorized spec
mircea_popescu: yes, he's competent. there is however such a thing as competence choking.
mircea_popescu: it even has king in it
asciilifeform: wai wut
mircea_popescu: you know, when the best looking guy ends up with all the women.
mircea_popescu: very little fucking and even less conceiving is done as a result.
asciilifeform: hey it works for walrus
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
asciilifeform: anyway, i'm kinda trying to de-walrus self, by pawning chore onto other fellas
asciilifeform: and it is working!
mircea_popescu: hehe. cool, but i also want total walrus factor to go down!
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 00:35:19; mircea_popescu: nah, it's a minigame see. something like, you build the case for it, place it in the world, then people use it like a sort of arcade.
asciilifeform: now all i need is for somebody to take mapTransactions / CTransaction from me...
pete_dushenski: << these sounds bring back memories.
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mircea_popescu: i also want soul hunter thing as a minigame, and a genetics thing, and a few others. the minigame portion of eulora is gonna be pretty spiffy, really. huge gameplay thing, but i don't really see it happening before 2017..
asciilifeform: no need for book learnin' - just read the src 'for six months'
pete_dushenski: tuesday night : time to go sing my little heart out. cheers !
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, what tower defense did you play? I know of it from starcraft
mircea_popescu: oh tons. iirc there's even an article
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asciilifeform: re: gamez: << apparently this exists.
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> anyway, i'm kinda trying to de-walrus self, by pawning chore onto other fellas << Qntra struggles with this if any lurkers want a chance to get work done in #b-a wotlandia
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00049346 = 6.0202 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'Two people died on the first day of my prison. The solitary was always full, most prisoners were shackled in their cells and a weeaboo legendary prisoner kept breaking out and killing my guards.. On the fourth day, said weeaboo broke through a double-layer solitary cell and stole a shotgun from an armoury. He lit the prison on fire and escaped. That's what I call a good prison.' << l0l
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asciilifeform distinctly recalls 'sim-auschwitz' from 1990s, there were scandalous wanks in american media about it, but this is something new
danielpbarron: that steampunk thing doesn't look like what I have played. To me, "tower defence" means building a maze of turrets to control the flow of progressively beefier monsters, the goal being to kill them all before the get through
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19033 @ 0.00049346 = 9.392 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: quite, yes.
mircea_popescu: that's what it means in general.
asciilifeform: the 'prison' thing is also a tower defense
asciilifeform: but, lulzily, from... inside
danielpbarron: warcraft3 had a neat variation, "island defence," in which there is one monster and he is controlled by a human player, and joined by defeated defenders
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron << can try that one mebbe. i never managed to get past l ~50 or so.
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mircea_popescu: ;;google azgard tower defense
asciilifeform: l0l swf
gribble: Azgard Tower Defense - Free online games at <>; Azgard Tower Defense Game Online - Best Flash Games: <>; Azgard Defence @ Play Tower Defense Games: <>
danielpbarron: if eulora's to have minigames like TD, I recommend Dota
mircea_popescu: that's a DIFFERENT thing.
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asciilifeform: but is this 'shakespeare, or another man by that name' ?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Appears to credibly be that man to the point it can be verified without strong signatures
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39456 @ 0.00048869 = 19.2818 BTC [-]
deedbot-: [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) September 2015 Statement -
mircea_popescu: "While the press support and relationships established can benefit your game, a lot of companies have “won” E3 and vanished shortly thereafter."
mircea_popescu: and by a lot we mean to say.... pretty much all.
mircea_popescu: heck, bitpay won the what was it, indy race ?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39600 @ 0.00048711 = 19.2896 BTC [-] {3}
deedbot-: [Qntra] Fiat Broker Broker Scottrade Hacked -
mike_c: ;;later tell pete_dushenski the graph is likely just cached in your browser. press f5.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ^ Fiat GLBSE got Owned apparently
mike_c: and yes, i could put a cache buster on that.. i'll put it on the todo
BingoBoingo: What if on my machine F5 doesn't mean "reload" but instead "re-load"
mircea_popescu: that's a decent amount of broker.
mircea_popescu: mike_c prolly just set the ttl on the pic
mircea_popescu: Information publicly disclosed on the Scottrade breech << lulzy, but breach.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, again
phf: asciilifeform: now all i need is for somebody to take mapTransactions / CTransaction from me... << i started investigating the issue a while ago, but dropped it since wasn't sure if it was the highest priority. i've been traveling, but i'll get back to it. i don't see any reason it can't be resolved. i'm not claiming territory, but unless someone more compotent decides to take over you can consider me
phf: responsible for the issue.
cazalla: <<< rent to buy ipad scam is popular here
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 00:21:52; asciilifeform: who rents a $1k gadget ?
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mircea_popescu: phf this is a non-competence blocking issue. it doesn't matter how competent or credentialed you are,code in question will be reviewed anyway.
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BingoBoingo: phf: Pls take it. I've been waiting to fuck something of this sort on my 0.7-ish tree.
mircea_popescu: and in general, two types of problems. 1. "build me a bridge" ; 2. "find me the leak". 1 is blocking, but 2 isn't - if a baby goat finds the leak the leak's just as found as if jesus had found it.
BingoBoingo hates C the more I play with TI-92
cazalla: <<< i use to work for main telco doing cust service.. not uncommon to find little old lady with 2 or 3 rotary phone rentals attached to account for years on end.. sometimes little old ladies had wireless, cable and dsl connections because some indian fuck sold her on the idea so he could get the commission
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 00:24:22; asciilifeform: (phun phakt: lucent corp. still brings in $20M/yr or so... renting out rotary phones. caveat is that this figure is a few yrs old, and a substantial number of the chumps are likely to have succumbed to old age since it was last published)
thestringpuller: the TI-92 uses C?
BingoBoingo: TI-92 is the Corgi/Manul/PampasCat of the computing world. The more you play with it, the less you can stand other...
phf: aight
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You can program in TI-BASIC shit or ASM. Sure, you can compile ASM from C, but might as well derpot in basic then.
BingoBoingo: Also far more fun than real macs and the TI-89 because useful default software and full keyboard.
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BingoBoingo: No longer Jeb and Rubio as co-favorites. Rubio is now clear nominee.
BingoBoingo: Or should I stahp keeping a consistent BitBet payout address because my latest experiment in that scares people
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BingoBoingo: Seriously though, even when not loading weird on it TI-92 is a great desk calculator.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> asciilifeform: << NO thestringpuller. Better avanues for diddling exist
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BingoBoingo proposes Illinois emissions test challenge. Illinois emissions test depends entirely on OBD-II output. Make a vehicle pass while plainly emitting clouds of soot.
mircea_popescu: if anyone's sickly curious, here's a rather typical ro court proceeding :
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BingoBoingo: In other news I had a jury duty summons this week. Passed over every day. Today was told my service is complete.
mircea_popescu: guy was trading pot, had 5 grams + ~1k$ confiscated, 2 years in prison for trading, 6 months for possession, suspended sentence.
mircea_popescu: more interestingly, whole shebang's online.
BingoBoingo: Fiatlandia is getting desperate. Making examples and skipping over "burn it all" weirdos.
thestringpuller: 2 years for 5 grams? RO is lenient as fuck.
mircea_popescu: 2 years was for dealing.
mircea_popescu: 6 months.
thestringpuller: WID charge here is like 10 years min
mircea_popescu: but anyway, first offense, so he serves no jail time. has to show up monthly to probation officer.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> 2 years for 5 grams? RO is lenient as fuck. << Illinois would plea that out
mircea_popescu: romania does not admit plea bargains.
mircea_popescu: in fact, romania disbars das if shown they tried to taint the trial, which is what plea bargain would be in sane places.
BingoBoingo: Acquaintance who FUCKING ROBBED A BANK will prolly finish probation before I even get an evidentiary hearing
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's the importance of massmarket for you. he did something that's mainstream
mircea_popescu: not weird fucking offences that scarcely even exist.
BingoBoingo: Sure his parole should be revoked for his latest incident of IDENTITY FUCKING THEFT, but
mircea_popescu: can you even get pot in smaller chunks than 5 grams ?
mircea_popescu: sixth of a fucking ounce ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways aparently in the USistan no matter where you are, if your parents ahve affairs with the right other people's parents...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> sixth of a fucking ounce ? << yes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> can you even get pot in smaller chunks than 5 grams ? << In a collegiate environment last I heard people traded pot in single grams if it did not smell of dogshit.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the high schoolers usually buy per joint cause they don't know any better
thestringpuller: unless they are super rich kids and parents do drugs /w kids etc.
BingoBoingo: Sure people preferred trading bigger.
BingoBoingo: Trading smaller was a sure sign of a bust though.
thestringpuller: ANything over an ounce here (Georgia) is a felony.
BingoBoingo: Trying to force small trades was how people politely let everyone else know they were compelled to turn state's witness
thestringpuller: ^- Or the sign of a d00d just trying to smoke for free.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: I thought bank robbery was an instafelony too. How does one get probation fro that? Returned the money?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: He was/is a white hamplanet with an enabling family.
BingoBoingo remembers this time back in undergrad at McKendree where in his freshman year this M named chick got busted for peddling weed to this Jim Chronister motherfucker (actual name because informants suck). Turn out Jim Chronister made a deal with the local 5-0. People assumed on campus I smoked weed so he tried to buy from me. Given his reputation I sold Jim the finest handrolled cigarettes filled with great Turkish rolling tobac
BingoBoingo: Jimmy boy was pissed, but then I informed him the "weed" in his spliffs was literal shit.
BingoBoingo: Jimmy boy was really pissed.
phf: selling jenkem i see, that's 5 to 10
BingoBoingo: Big Negro Savior though came out from the bushes an grabbed Jimmy when he popped me in the Jaw. Jimmy was missing the rest of the semester. Apparently he transfered.
BingoBoingo: Moral of the story, On 'Murican campuses if at all possible you make friends with the foozball team.
asciilifeform: << here i must disappoint BingoBoingo. iirc the mechanism was changed, cardinally, in 0.7 and up. any work concerning leakage, involving these ancient abominations is inapplicable to therealbitcoin.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 01:37:25; BingoBoingo: phf: Pls take it. I've been waiting to fuck something of this sort on my 0.7-ish tree.
asciilifeform: << we actually have a 'type 1' problem here. i already found the leak. (it consists, roughly, of the vessel having no bottom to speak of!)
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 01:38:05; mircea_popescu: and in general, two types of problems. 1. "build me a bridge" ; 2. "find me the leak". 1 is blocking, but 2 isn't - if a baby goat finds the leak the leak's just as found as if jesus had found it.
asciilifeform: what remains is to build the vessel a bottom...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As far as I know parts were changed, but I suck at CplusCock+ so I have to assume improvements would be open to trial.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the particular moving part in question was replaced by something unlike.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 01:46:45; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: <<
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Many things patched in 0.5.4 candidate were patched by unlike yet have adaptable fixes. Waiting on that plug to be patched before publishing next 0.7.x bastardo codebase
asciilifeform is innocent of php. and of unit tests..
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is a reason i gave up on backports. but i suppose you will discover it by yourself.
BingoBoingo ignorant of machine. Only understands patches by forcing them on to wildly differing codebases like 0.7-ish
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Backports suck.
BingoBoingo: Honestly I like the work
funkenstein_: <-- i know of no better example of worldwide bowing to empire than adoption of dupont's great solution to the "hemp problem"
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 01:54:45; thestringpuller: 2 years for 5 grams? RO is lenient as fuck.
asciilifeform: yes, but it is not clear to me, from here, what BingoBoingo thinks he is learning from 0.7...
BingoBoingo: The orphanage twins were great exercise
phf: asciilifeform: your original analysis was that std::array (or was it boost) failed to release memory when prompted. seems like can either figure out how to prompt it harder, or substitute a structure. my other guess is that refs to same transactions are kept elsewhere, so are not actually release on clear, i haven't investigated that option yet though.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: C-ish language is being learned, I think. If not that surely something else
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: which is why i say to mircea_popescu, 'usg is dead when you can tell me what country to visit where cocaine is sold next to soap for a penny a pound'
asciilifeform: phf: substantially trickier
funkenstein_: booyeah I like that
asciilifeform: phf: i can force it just fine. this leads to immediate segfault because all kinds of structures continue to refer to the tx.
phf: asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: you will end up substituting virtually everything. which is what the phoundation folks did.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 0.7-ish codebase radically different from 0.5-ish. It isn't until 0.8's pretend BDB abandonment that things get alien
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, nobody sane sells drugs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody sane sells soda pop either
asciilifeform: it is a barometer.
asciilifeform: i do not actually ~need the dope personally~
asciilifeform: it's just this device that tells me that usg is still alive and strong.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> thestringpuller: He was/is a white hamplanet with an enabling family. <<< what the fuck, hamplanet robbery ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it's just this device that tells me that usg is still alive and strong. << USSRia hates Drugs too
mircea_popescu: what was his getaway car, the arianne ?
phf: asciilifeform: so you're saying a rewrite of the whole chunk is required? also do you think a careful inventory of references with cleanup of corresponding tree a doable approach?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what was his getaway car, the arianne ? << Chrysler PT Cruiser his girlfriend owned (yes owned, evidence)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: today. largely because dope (and the only dope that ever really caught on in su was meth & heroin) is seen as a popcontrol weapon of the west
asciilifeform: phf: a rewrite of the whole thing is required. and was, from day 1. and this is where we get to the boojum - apparently nobody wants this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't sell cocaine either, at any rate not differently freom how it's done now, at which point you'd saysomething liek "mp is nao usg" and i'd hit you in the head with a six kg single crystal metaphetamine hammer.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> <BingoBoingo> thestringpuller: He was/is a white hamplanet with an enabling family. <<< what the fuck, hamplanet robbery ? (We joked before he ran away to Chicago that he robbed the bank with a sandwich, but no. Small town bank with limited highways)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'not sell' != 'shoot people for selling'
mircea_popescu: depends on the people.
mircea_popescu: as always with th eshooting.
asciilifeform: 'shoot people for being asshats' is one thing
mircea_popescu: some people i'd shoot for crossing the street.
asciilifeform: 'war on substances' - other
asciilifeform: 'where they cut off your lips if they don't like your smile....!' (tm) (r) (disney)
BingoBoingo has always like weirdo idea of selling cocaine chewing gum
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand, coca is own chewing gum..
trinque: I don't really see much difference between that one and caffeine
funkenstein_: you can get benzocaine gum, basically the same thing
mircea_popescu: cocaine is supposed to be this rite of passage for the more fit teenaged girl,
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But that is leaf amenable to further processing. Best lock the active into another wax for the posturing.
mircea_popescu: elope, snort, do other things of the sort.
trinque: it's quite popular in pdx
phf: i heard it's a hell of a drug
asciilifeform: thing is, dope in usg (and 'international treaties' as they presently exist are ~pure~ usgtronics) is not about dope, but about empire. if tomorrow no one wanted to snort coke, something else (can you say warez?) takes its place as excuse to feed standing army of stormtroopers
BingoBoingo: Cocaine's great hazard is not in itself. It is in people feel cheated, violence cycle.
funkenstein_: might be compared to the debeers empire as well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc you wanted ppl to check and confirm.
trinque: I think the addictive aspects of cocaine vary wildly person to person
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ fwiw, pot was A LOT more illegal in romania back when it was an "unalligned nation"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as a start
mircea_popescu: also pot is not quite hemp.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who smoked pot when ro was 'unaligned' ?
funkenstein_: was this before the dupont campaign?
asciilifeform: it is hemp in approximately the same sense that a chihuahua is a wolf
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, dope conventionslong predate usg.
mircea_popescu: trinque cocaine is not addictive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure. usg did not build on empty space
trinque: mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to me that it is
trinque: always wondered wtf people meant in re: that
asciilifeform: but the uniform prohibition on every conceivable thing that diddles neurons, ~is~ an organized usgism
funkenstein_: stuff goes for a few bucks a gram in colombia ascii.. and considered standard fare for teenage kids by conservative parents
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: who smoked pot when ro was 'unaligned' ? << literally nobody. cops had no fucking idea what it smelled like, even. i don't mean "some". i mean you couldn't find a beat cop that did.
asciilifeform: so banned because 'wtf, deviant'
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> was this before the dupont campaign? << specific sino-soviet relations point. 70s.
funkenstein_: The "jack herer" street story is that dupont orchestrated worldwide ban on hemp to pursue synthetic fiber business
mircea_popescu: no, banned because it negatively affects school performance.
mircea_popescu: which it does, and which romania is still in a position to very acutely measure.
phf: trinque: "psychological addiction" i.e. combination of poor impulse control and boredom, that turns into compulsive behavior
funkenstein_: meanwhile other parties pursued a ban on colombian exports and secured the borders as well as supply lines
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it is hemp in approximately the same sense that a chihuahua is a wolf << /me thinks great eventual colonization project would be Coyogi's
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> trinque cocaine is not addictive. << Not even as much as nicotine
mircea_popescu: phf sure. like, you know, vidya.
trinque: BingoBoingo: and hell I quit cigs
phf: completely
mircea_popescu: online pron. political discussions. you name it
trinque: I know a few chicks that have the cocaine "addiction" and they just strike me as weak
trinque: phf: yep
BingoBoingo: <phf> trinque: "psychological addiction" i.e. combination of poor impulse control and boredom, that turns into compulsive behavior << This creates Hamplanets. Exact same feedback loop, but subb McDick's
mircea_popescu: all the "cocaine addicted" chicks i ever knew were in it principally for the cock.
phf: oy true, it's good to have some with you at a stripclub
mircea_popescu: secondarily for the shoes and etc. people who can afford a bowl can usually afford whatever else teen might think she wants.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> BingoBoingo: and hell I quit cigs << My vague memories of cocain are it feeling good, but not "getting a blowjob" good. Basically a wash
mircea_popescu: it does serve the role of honest signal exceedingly well.
BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> The "jack herer" street story is that dupont orchestrated worldwide ban on hemp to pursue synthetic fiber business << ANd G-13 story involves MK-Ultra
funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, well I'm not sure about that but "scholars argue that the goal was to destroy the hemp industry largely as an effort of Hearst, Andrew Mellon and the Du Pont family."
BingoBoingo doubts lizards exist because more drugs would allow more potential lizards to be disqualified from their scales
trinque sheds a single tear for the supreme weed of the pacnw
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ and dja believe that ?
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Seriously what the fuck is Dupont compared to Monsanto
funkenstein_: I have seen reason to believe it yes
funkenstein_: show me, next to the soap, industrial hemp
mircea_popescu: how come the hemp industry didn't band together to destroy rayon ?
funkenstein_: you weren't there to lead them
mircea_popescu: i wasn't there to lead the other idiots either.
funkenstein_: somebody pays of a sycophantic congressional body. happens all the time.
mircea_popescu: seems, from a purely theoretical perspective, that if the orcs beat the humans, it's likely the humans sucked in some respect.
funkenstein_: well yeah, i'm not saying hemp businessmen did a great job
mircea_popescu: sure pays off happens. but why did the inferior side prevail ? didn't the better industry have more money ?
BingoBoingo: In other news Gawker Media can't feed their writers without coupons from people the "Oh,So Hate"
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BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> show me, next to the soap, industrial hemp << Soy
funkenstein_: the industry with ties to fiat, not the better one, won at that time
trinque: weed and other drugs were much more likely banned because the people (in the US, probably elsewhere) were ignorant and equated altered mental states with tha debil
trinque: and if somebody took advantage of that, sure
funkenstein_: trinque i doubt it. nobody really cares if some people go mess up their minds
funkenstein_: look at tv for example or alcohol
trinque: 1950s american culture was entirely opposed to weird of all kinds
BingoBoingo: Soy won in the US because it actually grows like a weed and it estrogens bind to its proteins emasculating a dependant hog population at the expense of making them... Hammy and Planety
BingoBoingo: Even Ayn Rand ranted about the evils of soy
trinque: maybe she should've tried eating some to feminize herself a bit more
trinque: that face...
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ how did hemp not have ties ?
mircea_popescu: shit, half the fucking thing was making ties.
funkenstein_: good question! it did back in the day.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, ropemaking was THE FIRST industrial process. everywhere.
mircea_popescu: read up on it sometime, it's quite fascinating.
funkenstein_: Jefferson I think thought it would lead the usa to greatness
mircea_popescu: rope factory, first factory, harbringer of industry. so it was.
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Maybe get a time machine and kill Hamilton?
funkenstein_: but facing guys with guns and infinite bankroll, the stuff went to hide for a while
mircea_popescu: trinque the notion that devil ~= altered mental state is older than africa really. it's an universally recognised human truth.
funkenstein_: don't worry it'll still be around when we figure our shit out :)
mircea_popescu: ie, false, but false like a myth.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, the soy because estrogens thing has a much better conspiraci score than the dupont hemp thing.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ the problem you face is explaining why the guys with the lesser bankroll won.
trinque: mircea_popescu: if one's considering rules for the masses, probably better to keep a lid on the stuff
funkenstein_: wait, Hearst, Mellon, and DuPont had the lesser bankroll?
trinque: thouch certain psychedelics would make an excellent filter
mircea_popescu: if it was the lesser industry, it had the lesser bankroll.
funkenstein_: could be, I really don't know
mircea_popescu: this is what lesser means.
BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> wait, Hearst, Mellon, and DuPont had the lesser bankroll? << Won on promisatory notes, not completely paid to this day
mircea_popescu: moreover... i seem to recall some bigshot names trying and miserably failing to corner the silver market.
mircea_popescu: so much so high street jewelers were taking full page ads lambasting the hoarding.
mircea_popescu: that DIDNT work out.
mircea_popescu: ie, the better industry won that time. obviously you can throw some away because "variance'
mircea_popescu: but still.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so much so high street jewelers were taking full page ads lambasting the hoarding. << ONly happened how many times in actual BTC governance?
mircea_popescu: eh, they can count it later.
BingoBoingo: More pronounced widow's peak and smaller tits, then I might confuse that for a girl I liked in High School
gabriel_laddel: I love how *everyone* either missed or ignored where ascii was taking the "cocaine sales practice as a measure of USG power, whatever its form" thread.
gabriel_laddel: which is to say !s anything made for $20k or so
assbot: Logged on 23-09-2015 02:04:53; asciilifeform: with no bureaucratic obstacles in the way (Officially not intended to be fed to human) - can get ANYTHING made for $20K or so, in Kg+ qty.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> which is to say !s anything made for $20k or so << I dare you to deliver to me a Compact pickup truck in the United States less than 3 years old. The problems are known.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: context was a thread re: organic chem
asciilifeform: and the price of pharma
BingoBoingo: Ah, THought a more general price of anything.
BingoBoingo: I reverted to considering the "chicken tax" where a foreign made Ford Ranger of year old vintage would cost more to sell in USIA than an F-250 Super Duty with the OMGWTFBBQKINGRANCHDRESSING package, because arbitrarity.
gabriel_laddel: I wish the black market folk would get their shit together, start buying spectroscopy equipment and setup "trap houses" where you can go verify the pharma you buy is what you think you're buying.
gabriel_laddel: and by pharma, I don't mean dope
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and when you get sc4mz0r3d, take wrong pill, croak, does your ghost negrate the test house ?
mircea_popescu: so can i have polymerizable water ? or is this "anything" limited by other criteria than "what you can describe" ?
asciilifeform: or how does it work
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thread was about commercial organic chem
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so can i have polymerizable water ? or is this "anything" limited by other criteria than "what you can describe" ? << Violently
mircea_popescu: you realise i can declare a compound of arbitrary complexity right ?
BingoBoingo: !up bitcoinbrains_
mircea_popescu: organic chemistry, unlike $20k, is not finite.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you realise i can declare a compound of arbitrary complexity right ? << Declare, yes. Not blow yourself up with, no.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose i ought to clarify where i learned the figure and how.
mircea_popescu: so what sort of alf's Hilbert Hotel is this.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: that problem reduces to "why doesn't MP run of with MPEX funds"
gabriel_laddel: the current issue is the people involved with the black market
gabriel_laddel: they suck
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> asciilifeform: that problem reduces to "why doesn't MP run of with MPEX funds" << Not at all
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had a db from u.s. national cancer institute of a few million plausibly-synthesizable compounds, largely of unknown effect (never organizedly fed to any living thing)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ran models, churning through astonishing qty of cpu cycle, and sent off db entries to orc lands for synthesis
mircea_popescu: no, i know the thing, and ftr a number like that has been thrown around pretty much ever since the major synth advances of the 80s
asciilifeform: they would come back in crated vials.
asciilifeform: which would then be tested on cell culture; followed by rodents
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asciilifeform: (and the occasional lab gurl with holes in gloves...)
asciilifeform: !s glove girl
assbot: 0 results for 'glove girl' :
mircea_popescu: did you mean love irl ?
mircea_popescu: g-love g-irl!
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2013 14:21:38; asciilifeform: lab girl had round-the-clock headaches for six months. went to every conceivable doctor, brain scans, the whole shebang.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at any rate, 'plausible synthesis' has a rough meaning. ask PeterL perhaps to explain in detail. but yes, synthetic vitamin B was a nobel. beyond a certain point of complexity, one tries to harness living things to crap out the goods
asciilifeform: rather than ab initio
phf: hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 23:13:51; asciilifeform: she demanded to be 'let alone with it'
asciilifeform: wai wut
asciilifeform: related how
gabriel_laddel: girls in labs
asciilifeform: plenty of folks have tales involving these
gabriel_laddel: speaking of which, do you know how Al burned off "half his skin"?
asciilifeform: most of them end in 'and she went to med school'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: he explained it to me, yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73881 @ 0.00048865 = 36.102 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73244 @ 0.00048489 = 35.5153 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: << BingoBoingo really must show up to next conf. because i picture him as a character straight from mark twain
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 02:13:54; BingoBoingo: Big Negro Savior though came out from the bushes an grabbed Jimmy when he popped me in the Jaw. Jimmy was missing the rest of the semester. Apparently he transfered.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am not particularly impressive in the flesh. I am a super featherweight trapped in a super welterweight's 5'7" body
asciilifeform: not in this sense
BingoBoingo: Culturally then
funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, hooked on diff-eq-ics! great stuff.
BingoBoingo: Because as I keep trying to tell trinque Missouri is far more texas than Texas is
trinque: I dun believe
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and this is something like the size & shape of avg. american folk from twain's time, even.
BingoBoingo: And far southern Illinois is more Ozark than Missouri
trinque: the apartment I just looked into, my dick ripped my pants
trinque: and that wasn't even because of the beautiful women living there
asciilifeform: but they also had elektron microscope ?
asciilifeform: with vaginal controls ?
asciilifeform: or what
BingoBoingo: trinque: I am trying to become sufficiently unpoor to get a 20-15 year old compact pickup. I filed that into the long term goal category.
funkenstein_: for those interested in number puzzles, this "sloane's gap" one is to me a real puzzler
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wouldn't that be a collectible and costly rarity ?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: settling in nicely?
trinque: asciilifeform: I'm sure some do at work
trinque: gabriel_laddel: I am, staying with family while I evaluate where to live
asciilifeform: so what did trinque see
gabriel_laddel: my guess: price-point
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trinque: about 1550-1800 for a really nice place for a single guy
asciilifeform: but it's a flat
asciilifeform: where you gonna put the lathe
trinque: hang out there for a couple years then I'm buying a house
trinque: or wherever, haven't decided yet
asciilifeform: imho 'posh flat' is really 'worst of both worlds' - but that's just me.
trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
asciilifeform: then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $
trinque: might as well eat solely based on caloric needs too eh?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: wouldn't that be a collectible and costly rarity ? << They are. But also fuel efficent.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: have you ever thought about taking a cruise down to SA?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Walk, yes. Cruise, too much for budget given constraints.
asciilifeform: will need pontoons, on that truck..
asciilifeform will point out that airplane ticket costs less than any truck outside of a scrapyard
asciilifeform: mordor-ba
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: ah, but notice BingoBoingo's problem isn't the cash for the ticket
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> will need pontoons, on that truck.. << Or truck with Darien capable history.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform will point out that airplane ticket costs less than any truck outside of a scrapyard << Scrapyard frequently has servicable trucks for travel
phf: apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: yea, but I thought you were scared of the gangs?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> might as well eat solely based on caloric needs too eh? << In Murica dangerous not to
asciilifeform: phf: i tried the 'hackerspace' thing, at its best it was an ick
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: yea, but I thought you were scared of the gangs? << Not just any old gangs, specific kinds
trinque: the puritanical thing and the soviet thing are so similar
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: right. So sail around.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: and write a Qntra article about walking off the reserve.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: I drink too much to boat and sail sleeping
gabriel_laddel: oh my fuck you're missing my point.
trinque wonders who doesn't drink boating
BingoBoingo: what point
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trinque: I thought the point was to go fast ripped
BingoBoingo: So, lets address some points about my current situation: 1) Hai FBI I noticed your Negro in the Lexus driving the street in front of my house three times today that I will admit to catching.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: take pics of that?
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: No, just scowled.
BingoBoingo: Derping to take a picture doesn't look tough.
gabriel_laddel: Facial recognition goes both ways. I could use pics.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: anyways, let me spell this out for you - it'd be really cool to take a cuise down to BA, get coffee with MP and cruise back right?
gabriel_laddel: it would also be cool to fly in and do the same, but you can't b/c the court
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> Facial recognition goes both ways. I could use pics. << Doesn't need to go far. My street has no black residents. My street is a blind loop. One pass could be a common criminal. Multiple people is Law Enforcement.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: The pics would be for our intel systems dude
BingoBoingo: Cruise is expensive, you pay transit + living expenses for duration. BTC is too underpriced for that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what'd be the point?
asciilifeform: i mean, say 241st tank regiment rolls down your street every morning
asciilifeform: what's it to you.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: The pics would be for our intel systems dude << You don't need an image to recognize broke ass USG Denzel Washington wannabe
gabriel_laddel: COMPUTERS DUDE
trinque: !b 3
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asciilifeform: i mean, it is one thing if they break the door with demolition charges, drag you out in your nighties, and take you to 'the farm' where you can sit in the coke machine and cough out private key bits for 20 yrs.
asciilifeform: but driving menacingly past your house ?
asciilifeform: why bother ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what's it to you. << My street is tar and macadam, that would tear it up. Literally one input goes to the county fairgrounds racetrack pit and my street. The other goes to my street.
trinque: this is where gossipd deniable statement mode would be great
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why bother ? << Because they know black people don't live hear, and they want me to call local PD because they anticipate racism.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: why?
asciilifeform: fwiw i routinely have 3-4 white vans parked outside. snore.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but driving menacingly past your house ? << Why does local probationary cop live in the Murder duplex across from my present residence? either ignorance or malice
asciilifeform: wat's a murder-duplex
asciilifeform unfamiliar with term
trinque: gabriel_laddel: cause maybe he doesn't want to say what got them interested
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wat's a murder-duplex << In 2005 wife doused her husband in kerosene and lit a match. Now walking free because only manslaughter
phf: asciilifeform: i think main use case for a hackerspace is place to deploy own oversized equipment, but have the location subsidized by "makers". most i've been to would go through the typical list of "3d printers", eventually followed by "and here's a cnc laser cutter etc. that you can only use if you ask such and such nicely and make he'll let you under his supervision"
gabriel_laddel: trinque: unless I'm greatly mistaken, he has a court case for something or other physical and US dept of treasury agents have dropped by his house b/c btc.
asciilifeform: phf: aha, we had this.
asciilifeform: phf: everything was either entirely dead or half-worked
BingoBoingo: Everyone working public safety professions in town knows that happened there. Yet cop is cheap enough to rent there?
asciilifeform: was in decrepit ancient church, even
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I have a photo of the agent's card, actually
phf: oh, right hacdc
asciilifeform: it is still there. i haven't visited in years.
asciilifeform: last i heard, they were doing balloons
asciilifeform: (of the stratospheric variety)
phf: last i was there the big project was public wifi for the neighborhood
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> trinque: unless I'm greatly mistaken, he has a court case for something or other physical and US dept of treasury agents have dropped by his house b/c btc. << I have disorderly conduct misdemeanor pending in neighboring county. Fed visit is on pre-qntra blawg
asciilifeform: i almost envy BingoBoingo - not even missionaries come to my house any longer.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: anyways, you should really take a cruise
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: and photos of that agent
gabriel_laddel: post em here
BingoBoingo hates boats unless bass fishing
phf: i'm moving to dc again, so will pay them a visit
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: and photos of that agent << The Treasury department's agent's name was Broachwala or some shit. Dot Indian. FBI refused to leave card, but ginger presumably Irish asshole/
trinque pours out a little beer for BingoBoingo's troubles... into his mouth.
BingoBoingo: Both came out of the fucking Peoria field office, like fuck. St Louis is right fucking there.
BingoBoingo feels this persecution makes qntra perfect match for my anger
BingoBoingo also seriously though FBI office in Peoria was just there for the occasional drug bust and making sure the Israelies don't manage to steal all of Catepilar's tractors in one go
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i almost envy BingoBoingo - not even missionaries come to my house any longer. << Jehova's witnesses come here still, but known local.
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