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assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:33; mircea_popescu: dating site is basically where people who don't meet go. much like reddit is where people who don't read go.
cazalla: pete_dushenski, tis a fake http://i.imgur.com/EqOzRGy.jpg or maybe original? or maybe not!
pete_dushenski: yours is fake
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 01:08:16; BingoBoingo: I as so fucking happy I won the Rand Paul bet
cazalla: prob both are
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00075109 = 10.2148 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278196 << doesn't look like this'll pay out quite as richly, but then again, what could ?
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 02:20:55; BingoBoingo: And if any BitBettors are intersted Made this the same day as my first Rand bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b4
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Depends on how the season goes, that one has a lot more time
pete_dushenski: yes, that 0.17 btc will cost you an exponentially greater time investment, watching it day-to-day
pete_dushenski: wondering, dreaming, scheming what you might do with your proceeds
pete_dushenski: eg. more mac mini nodes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00075279 = 27.3263 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Seriously. Just gotta wait for next month hoping a new generation gets announced
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Mac mini node and more CPU on desk are both priorities on hold waiting for newsies
BingoBoingo: Oh lo Havelol [HAVELOCK] [7C] 148 @ 0.00046664 = 0.0691 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo looking at pete_dushenski's engine swap suggestions wonders what Saddam and co will look like in a decade
pete_dushenski: haha maybe an m156 wedges its way in there
pete_dushenski: http://ca.complex.com/sports/2013/12/mercedes-m156-v8-eulogy << written by kid whose writing career i launched
assbot: A Eulogy for One of the Best V8s of All Time, the Mercedes-Benz M156 | Complex CA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iltfKR )
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.34, Best ask: 234.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 234.45, 24 hour volume: 11789.83147797, 24 hour low: 229.04, 24 hour high: 236.26, 24 hour vwap: None
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I imagine you to be the sort of crazy jew to replace an 8 with a pair of sixes
pete_dushenski: the sort ? fuck, if such a jew were an entire sort unto itself, israel would have the entire middle east under its crazy inventive thumb instead of playing d-fence six ways to sunday
pete_dushenski: there's like 100 ppl on the planet who would even dream of dual-engined set-ups
pete_dushenski: and it's not clear to me that they fall into categories other than 'kaczynski'
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Tractor Pull is a sport. Imagine showing up with a Porsche that had two straight sixes inline
pete_dushenski: one in usual spot, one in 'frunk' ?
BingoBoingo: Of course
pete_dushenski: lol like imagining a hot broad with perfect dime nipples on her tits AND her ass
BingoBoingo: If rednecks will bolt v6 and v8 machines together to get up to 24 cylinders... You could try that but smoother
pete_dushenski: i suspect i'm too distantly related from my cousins for that sort of thing
BingoBoingo: And this is why Jews never made it in NASCAR
pete_dushenski: nah, i think this is a personal exception
BingoBoingo: Well if you insist there are the Ehrnart/Goldsteins
pete_dushenski: there's plenty o' jews who never smell the panties of someone outside the tribe
assbot: VW Passat, 360 grieziens, 4X4 passat double. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MujRlo )
pete_dushenski: Ehrnart/Goldsteins << nascar drivers ? or owners ?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: lol!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Father/Son drivers.
BingoBoingo: nice cazalla
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: both still active ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, Dale Sr. hit a wall, literally a decade or two ago.
pete_dushenski: oh EARNHARDT !! fuck i didn't know they were jooz
BingoBoingo: Seems like a JEwey name
BingoBoingo: Like Koufax
pete_dushenski: hm. not quite enough to go on there.
pete_dushenski: there was a blue jays player i had the same suspicion about a few years back. turns out, total goy.
BingoBoingo: Ah, mebbe just sufficiently monied that people default to assuming they are pipe hitting members of the tribe
cazalla: BingoBoingo, spotted a dupa http://i.imgur.com/xs29Qrt.jpg
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: See cazalla, Mayo Gendered
BingoBoingo: !up contrapumpkin
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278246 << this ~has~ to be some kind of disinfo. it seems impossible, like hearing about a demolished skyscraper un-exploding, an egg un-breaking and picking itself up from the kitchen floor and sliding back into the chicken
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I seriously think you'd enjoy the demolition derbies. Nothing but cars lesser than Saddam meeting the most nobel ends they can.
assbot: Humanities under attack | The Japan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mul9wA )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i bet you're right. we'll check one out together before you pull the us-chute
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just remember the farm equiptment variations got alot more style than passenger vehicles
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: And remember no format of demolition derby allows Chrysler Imperials or Checker Cabs, because they are totally cool
BingoBoingo: Many such contests will even disallow any passenger vehicle with a body on frame construction
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00075074 = 5.2176 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: What I really wonder is why there are people in chan without a cheap surplus Ti-92
BingoBoingo: Fuck him. If he wanted to matter he should have run in 2000 instead of the idiot brother
assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 199 Unwitting Accomplice ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBunGO )
assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 201 Ignorance is Bliss ... ( http://bit.ly/1KpUnyR )
assbot: Detroit neighborhood plea: ‘We want squatters’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBvshU )
BingoBoingo: Fuck them. If they wanted Squatters they should have milder winters like San Fransisco.
BingoBoingo: "Undeterred, Mergos began a community garden, Sunnyside Farms, on the site of her burned home. Someone tried to wreck the garden, so she placed five beehives to keep away troublemakers." << Forgot to bring the three wise men Colt, Remington, and Winchester
pete_dushenski: we three kings of orient are smoking on a rubber cigar...
mircea_popescu: "Of the 60 national universities that offer courses in these disciplines, 26 have confirmed that they will either close or scale back their irrelevant faculties at the behest of Japan’s government."
mircea_popescu: fixed for truth.
mircea_popescu: ok that nina paley chick is pretty cool/
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://i.imgur.com/P0GJvi1.png << scam rumour! << Oh, yet another Mayo Gendered anon shill
BingoBoingo becoming rather convinced the only true SJW transgender is trans-fat gender. Welcome Cartman and our other Mayo-Gendered overlords.
assbot: Follow the Bitcoins taken from me by Homeland Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZep9e )
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible.
assbot: dpaste: 046VT8P ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZeLN9 )
cazalla: BingoBoingo, woo woo woo woo
cazalla: thought the episode was preddy average tbh
BingoBoingo: eh, reading the SA story
mircea_popescu: i would say by and large the libertard mind understands it is an epiphenomenon in human history, and utterly doomed.
mircea_popescu: 2015 brought the first inklings of acceptance, which is welcome.
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: We, be dragons just burning the poor,
cazalla: white suit, beard, this HAS to be a mircea_popescu class room! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c7b_1442078659
assbot: LiveLeak.com - Teacher showing his anger on his innocent students. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUX0zd )
BingoBoingo: Why? Biodiesel for the Uranium mines that power the ASICs
BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else have a clue that Gawker Media had a food writer who published recipies and shit? https://archive.is/NvQc2
assbot: Dissolve The United States ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgiTr )
BingoBoingo: "Any polity that can produce such an outcome should be abolished. Dissolve the United States, replacing it with a set of city-states, villages, and thinly-peopled hinterlands; let every public that wants one have their own Carly Fiorina or Bobby Jindal, and let everyone else go about their business. The candidate who proposes that will be the one to get behind."
mircea_popescu: so she is voting for mp this election ? write-in ?
assbot: Intelligent machines: Call for a ban on robots designed as sex toys - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZgNwE )
BingoBoingo: He is apparently voting for MP
cazalla: i guess all the women are concerned men will no longer need their fupas
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Only the Mayo Gendered would support such a proposition
BingoBoingo: Not woment cazalla, but people who choose the pronouns Meh, Mayo, and Mehrs
cazalla: i'd buy one and i'm not into that xe shit
mircea_popescu: wait, all the fuckiung machiens are ok, the problem starts once MEN get usable fuckdroids ?
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Vibrators fine, Fleshlights SCANDAL
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy, looking at all the derpy "news sites" that copied qntra but forgot to mention it.
mircea_popescu: easily 1k of 'em.
mircea_popescu: "americanbanker.com" ? "journalbiz.blabla" ? mmmkay.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. And qntra can still take from the the part where something happened because they are all too chickenshit to tell the truth.
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/Rfi7E#selection-9597.3-9597.92 << all that eager hope. and then... nothing happened. and then...
assbot: Bitcoin is still funny and the xbox one has the wrong kind of RAM - The Something Awful Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZi72C )
mircea_popescu: more hope.
mircea_popescu: kinda funny how the losers of the decade manage to somehow project their endless hope-disappointment cycle on other people.
BingoBoingo still waits for citadels
cazalla: that place was so cool back in the day
cazalla: jeff k and all that
cazalla: BingoBoingo, here are the citadels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTX9yP3fJNA
assbot: 2084 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UZinPi )
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Youtube is broken
assbot: Bitcoin Total Transaction Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1NB3DFO )
mircea_popescu: for some ungodly reason.
assbot: Novel Malware XcodeGhost Modifies Xcode, Infects Apple iOS Apps and Hits App Store - Palo Alto Networks BlogPalo Alto Networks Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1gwE1Nd )
punkman: "At least two iOS apps were submitted to App Store, successfully passed Apple’s code review, and were published for public download."
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/2ZECpM0.jpg <<< 1rst Annual #bicoin-assets White-Trash Beauty Competition. Vote now!
HeySteve: shinohai, blonde 3rd from left and the redhead
shinohai: I agree with the blonde HeySteve ... good eye
HeySteve: years of practice
cazalla: if i had too. 3rd from left too
cazalla: as for a 2nd.. 6th from left
cazalla: the rest could land a plane between their tits
shinohai: And that ONE black woman
shinohai: The blonde standing beside her isn't shabby
HeySteve: yeah #6 is best bruenette
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16663 @ 0.00075669 = 12.6087 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38216 @ 0.00075958 = 29.0281 BTC [+]
cazalla: asked the missus if she could guess which 2 i picked.. she got 1 outta 2 (the brunette)
punkman: the tall blondie is an obvious choice
HeySteve: the trashiest is either blonde on far left or the pink cheetah lady
shinohai: cheetah lady has my vote
cazalla: prob right as cheetah lady was the first one my missus picked as "she's total trash"
HeySteve: but she doesn't have obviously fake breasts
HeySteve: whereas that blonde's boobs are like 1/2 of mount rushmore
cazalla: big/small/fake/whatever, any gap is a boner killer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66900 @ 0.00076005 = 50.8473 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6743 @ 0.00075074 = 5.0622 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 02:51:50; BingoBoingo: Oh, no there are fun opportunities that pop up on dating sites like the recently out of a long term relationship and cute girls with borderline personality disorder. THe holy grail to hunt for is the overlap
cazalla: bet she'd be a great root danielpbarron
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00075074 = 12.6124 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: ;;later tell copypaste wtf https://archive.is/VoUwR
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: those pills look like glucosamine or some shit
cazalla: the big white ones anyway
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 06:50:43; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00075074 = 9.084 BTC [-]
assbot: China Is Building The Mother Of All Reputation Systems To Monitor Citizen Behavior | Co.Exist | ideas + impact ... ( http://bit.ly/1iUoMzo )
punkman: ""In Europe and the U.S., there's a notion that the state should be constrained, that it's not right to intervene in people's lives, unless for justified reasons. In China, the state has no qualms about that."
HeySteve: there is such a notion, not shared by the state
assbot: Bitcoin Is Officially a Commodity, According to U.S. Regulator - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7xwMH )
punkman: a commodity, security, currency, whatever each USG entity needs to call it in order to pretend they have authority over it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20117 @ 0.00075074 = 15.1026 BTC [-]
fluffypony: inb4 CommodityCoin
mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone'
mats: it is literally checkers
assbot: Hoarding - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCiFGE )
assbot: Ylvis - Massachusetts [Official music video HD] (Explicit Lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCiUlh )
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assbot: Dilbert - The Knack full - YouTube.flv - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCkGml )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18475 @ 0.00075081 = 13.8712 BTC [+]
assbot: Executive Order -- Using Behavioral Science Insights to Better Serve the American People | whitehouse.gov ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCkSCc )
punkman: ominus title eh
assbot: Chinese iOS devs download Xcode from 3rd-party, spyware was added in compile time for many popular Chinese iOS apps (raw report Chinese) : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1LCl4Bp )
pete_dushenski: punkman: ominus omnibus
pete_dushenski: 'justitia omnibus' being the motto of the district of columbia !
assbot: About the Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkMA9w )
pete_dushenski: "ust being acquainted with the laws and following them is sometimes insufficiently." << random ukr 'legal services' co. has it right.
pete_dushenski: Foreigners and citizens of Ukraine, who want to visit Lviv should know that the officials of militia, the customs service and other law-enforcement bodies not always follow the law. " << sounds like usistan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67085 @ 0.00075111 = 50.3882 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 06:50:43; mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/046VT8P << something awful does bitcoin fan fiction. not altogether horrible.
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1278034 <-- with great soundtrack even. thanks punkman :)
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 20:45:40; punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYM50dBa1Fk
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278391 << heh. i'd actually like this as a footrest under my desk.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 08:23:37; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPIGyCvWsAAdves.png:large
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277223 <-- what happened to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263703 how about some consistency folks
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:56:41; mircea_popescu: fucking master race check that out.
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 04:44:54; mircea_popescu: obviously the white guys killed the red guys. the red guys sucked.
funkenstein_: and while we
funkenstein_: are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 07:05:20; BingoBoingo: Three years old and type 2 diabetes, most people with congential type 1 diabetes don't know it at that age
funkenstein_: obese because can or something like that
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:56:27; mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Bundesarchiv_Bild_133-075%2C_Worms%2C_Antisemitische_Presse%2C_%22Stürmerkasten%22.jpg << how the fuck can these people read newspaper print from two feet away.
pete_dushenski: https://i.imgur.com/2ZECpM0.jpg << yup. 3rd from left. this, dear redditards and conference sluts, is what consensus looks like.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 10:27:24; danielpbarron: ;;later tell copypaste wtf https://archive.is/VoUwR
funkenstein_: lol :)
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: too bad noah smith will never see this ! https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/644331919375736833
funkenstein_: what distro is that? i've never seen that screen
pete_dushenski: anyone else with a twitter account up for sending http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/16/noahthority-and-economists/ to @noahpinion ?
assbot: Noahthority and “economists” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkP87M )
pete_dushenski: "Noah Smith ‏@Noahpinion 21h21 hours ago : 9/The expansionist imperial period of 1930-45 was Japan's greatest heyday of power and prestige. It was also a period of great dynamism." << because the history of the world started in 1900 because that's all they taught us in social studies class in high school !
punkman: funkenstein_: "can't defend himself, therefore has no value" "obese because can or something like that" << this is not a good way to argue
funkenstein_: punkman, I agree. That was my point.
funkenstein_: Or.. do you mean something else?
punkman: funkenstein_: yes I'm talking about how you are making this point
funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it?
pete_dushenski: "Noah Smith ‏@Noahpinion 21h21 hours ago : 8/Japan is not traditionally a fascist country - or even a very centralized one. But collective memory doesn't go much past 1930." << my eyes are not bleeding. thx twitter. thx 'economists'.
pete_dushenski: for cereal, why do i do this to myself ? why read this garbage ?
pete_dushenski: s/not/now
funkenstein_: I'm also trying to help straighten out which lines of reasoning can be fruitful and which are dead ends
funkenstein_: pete_dushenski, how did this guy piss you off so much? :D
pete_dushenski: by being born ?
funkenstein_: lol, so just general idiocy or did he hit a particularly sensitive spot?
pete_dushenski: well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious
shinohai: retweeted danielpbarron 's tweet for ya pete_dushenski funny writeup :D
pete_dushenski: cheers !
pete_dushenski: the sensitive spot is that i'm guilty of trying to make sense of his insanity
pete_dushenski: i'm apparently a sucker for punishment and noah serves it up on a silver platter
pete_dushenski: i must not have enough to do in a day to find myself stooping to such levels
pete_dushenski: watch, i'll have a half-dozen spawn just to block out this idiot noise from 'economists'
shinohai: Everyone that has ever used a cloned shitcoin is an "economist" now
funkenstein_: anyway, nice piece you wrote from the trenches. someone had to do it.
jurov: !rate belisk 1 quick btc trade
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pete_dushenski: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-17/primary-dealers-rigged-treasury-auctions-investor-lawsuit-says << “The only plausible explanation is that Defendants coordinated artificially to influence the results of the auctions in the primary market,”
assbot: Primary Dealers Rigged Treasury Auctions, Investor Lawsuit Says - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1P83MPM )
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: grazie :)
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pete_dushenski: “These analyses reveal a consistent pattern: Treasury auction yields were artificially high (and prices correspondingly low),” according to the complaint. “Defendants then turned around and sold the Treasuries at higher prices (and correspondingly lower yields) in the secondary markets, reaping substantial profits.”
funkenstein_: 240k TX yesterday, anybody know supwiddat?
pete_dushenski: !up Pierre_Rochard
pete_dushenski: how goes the wall street dream, my man ?
Pierre_Rochard: manager insisted copy/pasting all day > programming for a few hours. So that didn’t last long
Pierre_Rochard: now enjoying a sabbatical, learning C++ so I can finally ~understand the bitcoin blackbox
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38179 @ 0.00075074 = 28.6625 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: falling down the rabbit hole.
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: congratulations on the newborn!
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: what bank was this copypasta at ?
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: ah, mais merci :D
Pierre_Rochard: not a bank, more of an information aggregator like bloomberg - http://caissallc.com/
assbot: Caissa - Alternative Investment, Fund of Funds and Financial Risk Management Software | Caissa ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0tPiZ )
jurov: hi BeliSK
BeliSK: hi :)
assbot: Improbable Research ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0u8Kw )
mats: 2015 Ig Nobel Prize winners.
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: so
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: so 'alternative' means anything but eh
pete_dushenski: or only applies to 'investment' and not funds or software
funkenstein_: A friend of mine was talking this project up, I thought it might be of interest here and didn't find it in the logs: http://saltlang.wordpress.com
assbot: Salt Programming Language Project | Project and design blog for the Salt programming language project ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8avcq )
pete_dushenski: mats: i remember one of the ignoble winners from a few years back having researched 'why do computer cables become tangled'
pete_dushenski: actually seems more valuable than 'social sciences' in hindsight
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assbot: TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8e4Q0 )
punkman: "Crypto keys leak, loss and theft happens, but disclosure of passphrase like Assange's to journo to book for State cables a classic PR ploy."
punkman: I got no clue
pete_dushenski: total schizo
pete_dushenski: https://onetoday.google.com/page/refugeerelief?c=CA << the g00gs will match your donation. they promise !
assbot: Google Refugee and Migrant Response ... ( http://bit.ly/1V0wTf0 )
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 15:04:52; asciilifeform: 'Donate to help refugees and migrants in urgent need. We'll match your donation.' << google.
pete_dushenski: 566 mhz intel celeron, 64 mb ram, 15 gb hd, winbloze 98
kakobrekla: and "game ports".
pete_dushenski: and aol version 5.0 included.
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278557 <<< I still had one of these 5 yrs ago using it as a fileserver xD
ascii_field: pet had this box when we met
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278541 << this is actually a fairly deep problem, and, afaik, unsolved
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 15:14:51; pete_dushenski: mats: i remember one of the ignoble winners from a few years back having researched 'why do computer cables become tangled'
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ascii_field recalls reading this, and thinking that it does not rise to a 'solution'
pete_dushenski: same. just 'area of research'
PeterL: http://xkcd.com/1579/ << a description of ascii_field's complaints about computers?
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ascii_field: one such.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: aka 'look what we spent bezzle talking about'
mats: at the suggestion of an acquaintance, am re-reading 'A Fire Upon the Deep'
ascii_field liked it
mats: acquaintance noted that vinge had an idea that predates 'the cult of langsec'
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mats: that is: translation to an intermediate language with low expressive power, then back to whatever's parsed by original recipient,as a means of avoiding pwnage by a powerful adversary
ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage
mats: you think so?
ascii_field: the yarn had some imaginative and perhaps even good ideas, this was not one of these
mats: well, as you like to remind so often, x86 ain't everything there is.
ascii_field: no but the basic idea of turning a high-level message into incomprehensible ground beef
ascii_field: (the actual result of translating from more-expressive language to a less-)
ascii_field: invariably subtracts from fits-in-head.
mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation
ascii_field: program verification is 1) provably unsolvable in the general case 2) to the extent it adds complexity and overall logical mass and subtracts from fit-in-head-ability, it is ~an evil~
mats: yes, and if you reject a inputs outside of a defined set of formal-izable grammars, the more constrained the model and subsequently greater approachability towards program verification
ascii_field: it is certainly both possible and useful in narrow cases. see the ada threads
ascii_field: but as an overall panacea, it is a usgism.
mats: how conspiratorial.
BingoBoingo: Consipracy, Conspiracy never ends
ascii_field: mats: i don't know where you are posting from, but on my planet we recently saw astonishingly brazen clandestine techno-diddlatrons blown wide open.
ascii_field: mats: we are also bedeviled by pseudoscientific academitards who push them as 'security research'
BingoBoingo: Actual security research takes the form "X barrier can resist breach by thermal lance at Y intensity for Z minutes"
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mats: USG is a fount of grants for certain fields, computer security is one of those blessed. consideration of all USG research as poisoned fruit is your prerogative, but for me, extraordinary and specific claims require extraordinarily specific evidence. like someone diddling an IR parser.
ascii_field: mats: it isn't even that 'don't use the work of dr. x., it will kill you'
ascii_field: but that overall DIRECTIONS of research that are given support by usg in past decade are specifically counterproductive
ascii_field: calculatedly.
ascii_field: e.g., the push for movement from rsa to ecc
ascii_field: accompanied by unsubstantiated claims of 'equivalence' between long rsa and short ecc key 'hardnesses'
ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this.
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ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good.
pete_dushenski: anyways mats, whatever they're paying you, you're definitely dancing hard enough for it.
pete_dushenski: or is that too conspiratorial of me ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: iirc mats admitted to merely ~wishing~ to be bought
mats: yes, this is all well and good, but we were talking about IR parsers
pete_dushenski: 'careful what you wish for, you just might get it' (tm) (r)
ascii_field: mats: and i was talking about hygiene.
ascii_field: hygiene does pointedly ~not~ mean 'we must inspect every roadkill for edible bits'
mats: or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated
ascii_field: mats: i pointedly do not care whether or by whom you were (or like to be) bought
ascii_field: my statement concerned heuristics for what intellectual pursuits are worth bothering with, given limited resource
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mats: then i suppose I'll conclude with disagreeing this is an unworthy area of research.
ascii_field: thing is, brain cycles worth half a damn are scarce.
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e35PfbiTGvk << what inflation ?? only increased in 'value' 12x in 12 years. no reason to raise rates here.
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ascii_field: usg has a very effective program for soaking them up
ascii_field: on items GUARANTEED not to result in serious dings to 'nothing is beyond our reach' (e.g., full techno-lustration silicon and upwards)
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: nah that's mainly panem et circenses
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Well that and taking a portion of hungry people and redirecting their worry so they burn themselves down instead of burning the whole show
ascii_field: from usg's point of view, ANYTHING is better than having folks wake up to cpu-with-bounds-checking-on-all-ops and fits-in-head
mats: well, if you ever decide to describe why 'langsec' et al. is a waste of time, i'd love to read it. you too, pete_dushenski.
mats: waste of time, like whether and how advancement of formal languages for security is useful, or keeping input grammars regular whenever possible, verifiale parser, ...
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ascii_field: mats: note that i did not say 'waste of time'
ascii_field: if pursued as pure mathematics, it can be a mildly respectable thing.
mats: i am generally interested in these things because i like knowing about whether a given abstraction kills particular techniques
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ascii_field: it is not an uninteresting subject. just as, say, historical climate patterns are not uninteresting. but both would become considerably more intellectually respectable if all of the current academic practitioners of each were to be shot.
mats: now we're getting somewhere. which 'langsec' authors have a funny smell?
mats: what papers smell funny?
punkman: "LANGSEC posits that the only path to trustworthy software that takes untrusted inputs is treating all valid or expected inputs as a formal language, and the respective input-handling routines as a recognizer for that language."
punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP?
ascii_field: this is fundamentally an example of what i was talking about.
ascii_field: deceive people into failing to so much suspect that the root of their probems can be dealt with, without telling any lies in the usual sense of the word.
ascii_field: this is not 'ordered from above' in the naive way imagined by hecklers of 'conspiratorial' matters
ascii_field: instead, it is baked into the 'firmware' of academia as a thing.
ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome.
ascii_field: this is elementary.
mats: well, just a thought here, functional programming looks like a better path forward than ada, if only because its easier to automate
ascii_field: automate ?
mats: automating formal analyses
pete_dushenski: bwahahha
ascii_field: mats: i ~like~ functional programming, understand.
ascii_field: purely aesthetically.
ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu.
ascii_field: and the data structures popular among 'functionality' aficionados are not physically possible, but instead are clunkily emulated ('immutability') with actual ones
ascii_field: mats: for instance, i like 'ml' (language.) but i will not close my eyes to the fact that garbage collector is a cross-process info leaker.
ascii_field: not to mention a source of nondeterminism
ascii_field: my other problem is that i have not yet found an implementation of ml language that fits-in-head.
ascii_field: this is not negotiable.
ascii_field: and yes, i guess, being concerned with the number of intellectual 'cpu cycles' needed to fully grasp the ~implementation~ of the language and the machine under it - makes me a t3rr0r1st11111
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mats: i research what folks are doing to incrementally raise the cost of attack, because there is interesting work being done there, this is where the money is, and we are all living with various design decisions that can't be undone at low cost.
mats: and obviously systems that can provably prevent things from happening are preferable...
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet.
punkman: mats: I'm all for langsec and chipsec and whatever other brand they come up with, but I don't see anyone getting anywhere
mats: EMET's mitigations don't look good. and don't obviously categorically defeat classes of bugs.
mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research
ascii_field: mats: try #bitcoin-wizards
ascii_field: (in all seriousness)
ascii_field: buncha haskell nerds, etc. there.
mats: i read the logs sometimes.
ascii_field: understand, i have no objection to tools such as computerized theorem-proving, data flow analysis, etc. except in that these are put forward as ~substitutes for fits-in-head simplicity~.
ascii_field: there is not a substitute.
ascii_field: anyone who proposes one, directly or by implication, is (whether he knows it or not) committing pseudointellectual flimflammery in the service of hitler.
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mats: punkman: have you read any of the papers?
ascii_field: to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these.
ascii_field: i ~like~ the idea of 'this quicksort will provably not overstep its bounds.' but much better is ~this quicksort can as easily overstep its bounds as my car can start itself and drive to alaska'
ascii_field: and the ultimate litmus test for whether a proposed security mechanism is usgistic: 'does this item INCREASE - or DECREASE - the amount of complexity present in the system, for which i must defer to someone's authority to determine whether it does what was promised ?'
punkman: mats, probably above my paygrade, but I'll have a look at them
ascii_field: e.g., it is good and well to have, g.g., a hindley milner type inference system, or theorem prover,
ascii_field: but now i have to UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK
ascii_field: expecting me to just swallow 100MB of whateverthefuck source, WON'T FLY
ascii_field: no pasaran, motherfuckers.
ascii_field: likewise, 'mitigations' which ultimately prolong the agony of c/c++/c-machine - are works of evil.
ascii_field: let the thing die, for fuck's sake.
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mats: so in the future i think i'll be taking these discussions to PM, if this is something you'd be interested in, ascii_field
ascii_field: public or nothing.
mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping.
ascii_field: i like to 1) educate people 2) refer to logs in the future
punkman: mats, discuss away, why not
ascii_field: saves my keyboard the wear, appreciate.
mats: dunno that anyone even cares, now
pete_dushenski: i care, this is deeply educational
mats: 10/10 times it is just alf and i.
ascii_field: and log.
ascii_field: and mircea_popescu when he wakes up.
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trinque: mats: sometimes people sit back and enjoy the conversation
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punkman: mats, so what kind of parsing are you doing for the keyserver?
ascii_field: my views re: 'let's do pm' are roughly similar to those of mircea_popescu.
kakobrekla: mp criteria is 'do i know you'.
pete_dushenski: plus, cui bono
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
punkman: "You should have a bunch of feelings when using computers. Excitement. Pride. Delight. Amazement. Curiousity. Yes, even frustration and anger. But you generally should not feel despair. You should not be feeling desperation. You really shouldn’t."
punkman: "An architecture and environment that could lead you into this situation, where you are helpless and wronged and did nothing but what you were told was right, and then punished quite severely, is very wrong. It is the opposite of what a computer and technology should do."
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pete_dushenski: "The device is programmed to detect when the car is undergoing official emissions testing, and to only turn on full emissions control systems during that testing. Those controls are turned off during normal driving situations, when the vehicles pollute far more heavily than reported by the manufacturer, the E.P.A. said." << kek
punkman: how the hell do they detect that
pete_dushenski: my guess : someone snitched
punkman: I mean the emissions testing
pete_dushenski: either a) when anything plugs into the obd-ii port, or b) the whole thing is a parallel construction to keep ze germans at bay against tbtf 'domestics'
pete_dushenski: like the whole toyota 'unintended acceleration' dealio from ~2008
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kakobrekla: >When I last bought a VW (2008) I was concerned due to a clunking noise after first starting it up and driving a few miles; I called the VW service dept and they explained that there was a compressor which captured exhaust fumes and released them at a lower rate for the first few miles of each journey -- to help them meet EPA emissions standards.
kakobrekla: dunno really, seems kinda sketchy to me
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: kakobrekla: sounds like an ordinary exhaust turbocharger, no ?
ascii_field: but presented in 'scam light'
kakobrekla: mebbe
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278738 << mircea_popescu will especially enjoy this one.
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kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
jurov: ;;seen davout
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mats: punkman: top-down
mats: unless I am misunderstanding your question.
mircea_popescu: good morning cultists!
mats: i'm on my third attempt at this and i still haven't quite wrapped my head around rfc4880 as well as the behavior of various gpg versions
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: oh mats, you're in for such a treat!
ascii_field: wait till you do rsa padding !
mats: and i'm not so sure i'm the person for the job
ascii_field: (e.g., rfc 2437)
ascii_field: btw i'm half-convinced that the existing 'padding' (what a terrible misnomer!) schemes are voodoo.
mircea_popescu: mats well the exercise is useful anyway.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field makes two of us.
mircea_popescu: the only correct way would be to PROVE the padding works for the coding scheme. this afaik was never EVEN DISCUSSED let alone attempted, and forget succeeded.
mircea_popescu: so consequently... they must be.
ascii_field: it was discussed. half-heartedly.
ascii_field: but never seriously contemplated by 'standards body' (no prized for saying why)
ascii_field: *prizes
ascii_field: iirc bleichenbacher's attack works with all currently standardized padding (wtf plz can has another word for this !!!) schemes
punkman: mats, are you using that Hammer library linked from langsec www?
mircea_popescu: shitting.
ascii_field: the basic idea of 'padding' is that before you can really use rsa, you have to proclaim 'i will NEVER EVEN consider a blob that doesn't decrypt to this-standard-boilerplate-and-the-payload' - or, in the case of signatures, 'it is ~not~ a signature unless the signed payload is such-and-such-boilerplate-and-THEN-the-actual-payload'
ascii_field: the reason for this is that (as anyone who stayed awake in kindergarten ??) knows, rsa operation is malleable
mircea_popescu: you know it occurs to me, this is not necessarily the correct approach to the malleability problem.
mircea_popescu: specifically : it is not useful to have fixed "boilerplate".
ascii_field: no shit
mircea_popescu: it is true that if you try to "unfixed" it by using key info you necessarily leak key bits
mircea_popescu: however, rng is no good because now you leak rng bits, which ARE key bits.
ascii_field: if your rng key bits 'are key bits' you're sunk
ascii_field: *rng bits are
mircea_popescu: rng bits are always key bits.
ascii_field: only when you stuff'em in a key
ascii_field: otherwise they're just bits.
mircea_popescu: basic systems security is "attacker should not be able to read the machien rng".
ascii_field: if your rng is worth half a pence
mircea_popescu: that's what it is .
mircea_popescu: i propose to you that this view of boxen security is inconsiderate.
ascii_field: obviously if you use the ~same~ rng bits to generate key as you also made available to someone else, then you're dead
mircea_popescu: they're not "just bits".
mircea_popescu: no, matter of principle.
mircea_popescu: the internals of the box must noit be exposed TO THIS STANDARD.
mircea_popescu: am i making any sense or sohuld i restate ?
mats: punkman: no, although i read some of it several months ago. interesting, right?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: restate
mircea_popescu: the notion of "box was owned" is never really defined, and intuitively is equated with "have a root prompt". this is uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: the interesting notion is, "box was not owned". and the standard for this is, "there is no way for attacker to read /urand"
ascii_field: it is more productive to separate 'owned' into two basic categories, read- and write- if you will. sorta like the two basic ways to cheat at cards
ascii_field: (peeking vs deck-stacking)
mircea_popescu: any program which allows for the attacker to read in any sense the rng is not necessarily owning the box, but necessarily not part of the not-owning-the-box set either
ascii_field: what i was trying to say is that if your rng bits are not independent of one another, you don't have an rng.
mircea_popescu: but you never will have a rng in that sense.
ascii_field: and if they ~are~ independent, you can give 1MB to me and another 1MB to hitler, and so long as they are not overlapping, hitler does not win
mircea_popescu: it is a fucking numeric machine ffs.
mircea_popescu: so. they will be, at best, "relatively independent" as in "sufficient for the task at hand". this is great. so long as the above standard of security is observed.
mircea_popescu: (and in most practical circumstances, a good chunk of the benefit of airgapping is that it ipso facto satisfies the above security standard)
ascii_field: no shit
ascii_field: presently it is the only means of properly losing the bits used to generate a key.
mircea_popescu: so "rng boilerplate" MAY be a usable solution, but MUST NOT be dependend on going forward.
ascii_field: (and those produced in intermediate calculations involving it)
mircea_popescu: !up TheButterZone
TheButterZone: so i noticed a few users in here had negrated tradefortress, and thought you might like to know he's been lurking as unicodesnowman
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mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it.
mircea_popescu: how'd you know that ?
TheButterZone: know what
mircea_popescu: you just made a statement. how do you know and how can we verify the truthfulness of it.
shinohai pops popcorn
kakobrekla: you cant bring your own food here.
jurov throws his bottle to kakobrekla
kakobrekla: ouch.
mircea_popescu: assbot dispenses food ?
assbot: if you ask nicely
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd much rather eat from titsbot.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
assbot: you get what you pay for!
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mircea_popescu: people are srsly not supposed to know shit in this much detail.
TheButterZone: unicodesnowman has wikipedia cloak. unicodesnowman on wikimedia code review uses admin@glados.cc. admin@glados.cc was used to report bugs in chromium for coinchat.org and hashie.co
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mircea_popescu: danke TheButterZone :)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278419 << it should perhaps be pointed out that any thinking individuals who happen to be ~15 and female think themselves "weird". one has to be particularly bovine to not notice just how fucking unexpectedly weird being female is, and at that age the observation is novel.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 10:19:12; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278233 << one of those recently followed me on twatter. https://twitter.com/oddteenager/status/584227084194680833
mircea_popescu: As you can see he joined Google Code-in on behalf of wikimedia. << soi basically what we have here is a well known scammer representing wikimedia / wikipedia foundation at google hackerthons and whatnot ?
mircea_popescu: why am i not surprised.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you suppose that angle's qntra-prosecutable ? "ex pedo's website now represented by bitcoin scammers"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278428 << shocking, isn't it ? o hey, if hitler did it it was bad, but here's out last hope for "humanity" : blow everything to bits!!1 because going back to the stone age was a horrible plan when it was called Nerobefehl buit a spiffy idea when we came up with it (without, as is the socialist habit, even quoting sources!)
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 11:33:04; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278344 >> Of course, this outcome will likely lead to billions of deaths. This is a price we are forced to pay, to avoid the eternal enslavement of humanity to a tiny elite. << the socialist would rather kill everyone than have them be humble servants
mircea_popescu: moreover, notice how they call America "Africa" for some reason. but it's fucking obvious that the place that will be raped throiugh "government sponsored cellphones to stick together with" is the us.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'd have to think on it. TheButterZone if you'd like to submit the piece to qntra using that angle...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278440 << i actually tried it. spiffy gfx, checkers.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 13:31:37; mats: i don't get why people enjoy the online card game 'Hearthstone'
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc
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assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:25:21; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278429 <-- isn't this thing three years old now? iirc there are a number of variants circulating
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_: how about some consistency folks << wut is this inconsistency you has found in the holy scriptures ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278473 << i doubt anyone seriously proposed there's any value to the destroyed 2yo. the interest, at least to my understanding, stems from the instruction ot be had for one's own life.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:28:15; funkenstein_: are at it http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277699 <-- can't defend himself, therefore has no value
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/644762089735622656 << well this is actually true. if you don't buttseks the woman with some regularity she'll never be comfortable with it.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski :to @noahpinion ? << whossat ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278493 <<< you could improve it by making sense, and you would perhaps manage to make sense if you put some effort into understanding the very basic yet so often overlooked point that a good birthday present is not something YOU would like.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:39:47; funkenstein_: Yeah, well I relate to previous convos, sorry about that. How else can I improve it?
mircea_popescu: i get it, the view you're trying to argue against is contentious to you and involves you emotionally. this is fine but also not a problem of it, and consequently while the excuse "im flailing madly because that thing really bothered me" may serve to blind your own evaluator, it won't work similarly for anyone else.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278501 << seems petey's on a "ferret out the enemies of la revolucion" kick.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 14:43:15; pete_dushenski: well, see noah's idiocy is quite specific and quite malicious
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mircea_popescu: THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO PROP UP THE ECONOMY! and create jobs! and growth!
mircea_popescu: you know, exactly what usg does EVERY DAY
mircea_popescu: every kid with big boob'd sister's dream since early childhood.
mircea_popescu: REFERENCE: "Duration of Urination Does Not Change With Body Size," Patricia J. Yang, Jonathan Pham, Jerome Choo, and David L. Hu, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2014
mircea_popescu: this isn't bad.
mircea_popescu: MATHEMATICS PRIZE — Elisabeth Oberzaucher [AUSTRIA, GERMANY, UK] and Karl Grammer [AUSTRIA, GERMANY], for trying to use mathematical techniques to determine whether and how Moulay Ismael the Bloodthirsty, the Sharifian Emperor of Morocco, managed, during the years from 1697 through 1727, to father 888 children.
mircea_popescu: dude the ignobel this year has been utter bs.
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mircea_popescu: to no-ones surprise.
mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens
mircea_popescu: and they riot because they don't want it .
mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: more like 10 actually.
mircea_popescu: next one will probably be 10k ish.
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which results in sqrt n tang
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:14:06; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278541 << this is actually a fairly deep problem, and, afaik, unsolved
mircea_popescu: le factor, which also limits to infinity.
mircea_popescu: a classical problem where saving state is more expensive than dealing with consequences.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 21:54:55; mircea_popescu: just you wait until obama offers to give citizenship to illegal aliens
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mircea_popescu: (cables usually tangle by the plug/unplug cycle. not always, but the same process is at work in "tangling a trodden coil" etc.)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278582 << this happens to be how provability works too!
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:30:41; ascii_field: the funny part is that this is actually how you ~guarantee~ ease of pwnage
mircea_popescu: to prove properties of the system === to express them in a language with nil expressivity.
punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc
punkman: (just ignore that unfinished thought in the middle there)
mircea_popescu: actually the gpg specification is so miserable, a code prototype in the way of bitcoind as an intermediate step to rescuing the standard and restating it properly is prolly unavoidable.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:34:15; mats: anyway, the langsec idea goes, input validation has a striking similarity to program verification, precluding inputs from driving unexpected state and computation
mircea_popescu: program verification is much more about making sure the program doesn't bypass your gate by going behind your back than about making sure it doesn't smuggle undesirable items through your gate.
mircea_popescu: this attempt to reduce program verification to input verification can'treally be regarded in any terms other than, "an attempt to further entrench the deals going behind your back".
mircea_popescu: tellingly, when the romanian politicians benefitting from cigarette contraband wanted to protect their revenue source, they passed legislation to curtail border police arrest powers in the marshes and bought them expensive detectors for the border points.
mircea_popescu: which they had to spend a year+ learning how to use.
mircea_popescu: thus in early 2000s, in spite of a 10x increase in border police budget (mostly eu sponsored), the quantity of actual contraband jumped 10x.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278610 << the view is valid, if mats is curious of my position. nobody cares about the actual "names" / "careers" involved, as per the pseudoscience article, they can be safely ignored. the important point however is that while usg spends a lot of money on "research", the expenditure is PREDICATED on it being "research", ie, not actual research. it is perhaps true that on
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:12; ascii_field: find me ~someone, anyone~ funded by american dollars who puts forth the opposing view from this.
mircea_popescu: e equipped with infinite patience may find isolated useful items in that outpour. it is necessarily true however that such finds won't be worth the expense. this is not coincidental - consider the earlier discussion as to how we distinguish usg disinfo from genuinely interesting items. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266663 etc.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:38:00; mircea_popescu: obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure.
mircea_popescu: so, usg-"earth sciences", usg-"computer security", usg-"womens studies", usg-whathaveyou are in fact actually worthless.
mircea_popescu: they're less than worthless if you're the sort of fellow who proceeds naively, and will spend his (limited) time trying to make sense of the nonsense.
mircea_popescu: but, at a certain age, say before 30 or so, this sort of waste is actually wise and to be encouraged, because it is in fact how men become men.
mircea_popescu: so i don't think ~you~ are wasting your time digging through the shitpile. you aren't. don't expect us to do it tho, because we would be wasting our time.
mircea_popescu: (and it would be actually worse an outcome if one were to just pretend agreement with alf, or me, and imagine himself the better of some kid who disagrees or doesn't agree and goes ahead to waste his time.)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278613 << climatologism looks particularly bad because it was so egregious. none of the people involved were any good at any point. the fact that the usg has managed to marshal the equivalent of local mcdonalds supervisors into "science" is really very much calked off the soviets' "here's this apprentice shoemaker who is our expert biologist". it has no known equivalent o
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:49:51; ascii_field: the thing is brazen and one-sided enough to make u.s. 'climatology' look good.
mircea_popescu: utside of the ~EARLY~ naive attempts at "a purely soviet science". early, naive attempts eventually disowned by the politburo itself once russia was richj enough to not be frighteningly poor anymore.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 16:52:02; mats: or have we moved on to hand waving and accusations of being bought because honest discussion is too troublesome and insinuations about pwnage cannot be substantiated
mircea_popescu: the reverse'd be more worrying.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, honest discussion is not troublesome.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278635 << if you're so inclined, the push to make men sexually insecure as a sort of "celebration of womanhood / millitant feminism victory" etc was also exactly it. and the fact that you must spend a full day looking for edibles to find enough edibles to get you through a day. and everything else.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:00:03; BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> usg has a very effective program for soaking them up << I'm pretty sure the push to get people into grad school rather than employment 2007-2011 was exactly this
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does.
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE YOURE FUCKING POOR OVER THERE.
BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks
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BingoBoingo: Puritans
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278653 << well since this ended up in pete's blog... obviously you can make a formal http spec and parser. mongrel had a spiffy one. but then inside we have html, xml, jpegs, mp4s. who's gonna do langsec on libstagefright? on gnupg?
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:13:51; punkman: so what is the formal language when I grab random bytes off someone's HTTP?
mircea_popescu: jpeg is actually specifiable. that it hasn't been...
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278658 << and why would they be. the correct thing for a research paper to end in is "more research needed" not "forget about this, it's solved."
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:16:42; ascii_field: no one who actually ~solves~ problems at the eliminate-a-whole-field level is remotely welcome.
mircea_popescu: and re the "heckler's idea of conspiracy" : it is not the proposition that the usg consists of some evil overlord petting a cat buried under concrete somewhere while tons of mindless drones to the biddings without complaint. nor is the proposition that a secret conclave of shaved heads secretly meet at my pillar every 5th wednesday.
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mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence.
mircea_popescu: the proposition that they would be more than willing to blow up the world before they'd take their naturally inferior place in the hierarchy of the world is not so far off.
mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant.
mircea_popescu: do not work for a stupid man, nor for a man that works for the ultimate benefit of stupid people. this is the whole of the law.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog).
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:18:00; ascii_field: but there is no such thing, in our universe, as a 'functional' cpu.
mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278679 << no, he has a point, if he wants to find work he benefits from having... how the fuck did that go
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:31:54; ascii_field: the only thing the offerings of usg ~provably~ are able to do is to lighten your wallet.
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 18:36:25; ben_vulpes: from the lulzmine: "Do specialized systems include enhanced security measures consistent with risk analysis?"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278682 << there is a difference between "not interested", like say someone who wants to play the flute, and simply doesn't care about the stuff you discuss ; and "know better", as in, people who ARE very much interested in the KIND of thing you discuss, who have evaluated it and come to the conclusion it's a big fat 0. those are not "not interested". they were interested.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:32:59; mats: maybe this is just not the place for me to bring up such discussions, when folks clearly are not interested in this kind of research
mircea_popescu: remarkably enough i can't readily figure out a topic b-a would be strictly not interested in. we've discussed art philosophy and history, and matters of identity and forgery, and child rearing and car design and gender identity and indian mysticism and scholarship thereof and of course geopolitics and finance and often enough plumbing and pest control.
mircea_popescu: all this within the past... month ?
mircea_popescu: i doubt there is anything that is actually beyond our interests' reach.
mircea_popescu: lol rogerver and bitcoinceo ?
mircea_popescu: must suck.
cazalla: btcdrak, what is so sigh?
cazalla: if i were ver, i'd redirect the site to whatever the 2015 equiv of goatse is and tell all the redditors with ideas of how bitcoin.com should actually be used to go fuck themselves
btcdrak: as if ver's shitty use of bitcoin.com wasnt enough, now they create an XT circlejerk forum to mislead even more people.
mircea_popescu: btcdrak he got "assets" suich as a worthless domain name and gotta make rent
mircea_popescu: you're thinking of exactly the opposite situation.
mircea_popescu: uh i mean cazalla
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's nothing wrong with xt scamcoin folk having as many forums as they can stand.
btcdrak: ver is sitting on enough bitcoins to make mtgox customers whole... which he should do given his video supporting them in summer of 2014...
mircea_popescu: dogecoin-esque "PR" of the ilk of "hey, our forum is better than your forum because domain name" serve them well.
mircea_popescu: btcdrak what makes you think that ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278693 << which is why he wasn;t asking you, i bet :D
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:44:13; ascii_field: to my shame, ~i~ habitually read these.
cazalla: a lot of people seem to think the domain name is actually a community asset
mircea_popescu: those people are idiots.
mircea_popescu: it's no more a "community asset" than a bitcoin balance. it has a specified owner.
mircea_popescu: there is obviously the ever present cattle tendency to centralize. but that is NOT a good reason to centralize.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278860 << took maybe 5 seconds of looking at it, for me
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 21:31:10; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277187 <<< a winner is you! looks like ahmed was actually trying to win the nigga lotto https://archive.is/O3lZc
mircea_popescu: it doesn't need a centralized name more than it needs a centralized ledger.
cazalla: asciilifeform, i just thought it interesting that the guy found the specific clock on ebay
asciilifeform: cazalla: i sorta assumed it was his folks'
mircea_popescu: (THAT is the true altcoin killer. people proceed lazily to imagine that hey, just as money is called euro in eu and dollars in the us, there may be a future with bitcoin and litecoin etc. no, no it may not. money is money, and yes you can call it x in x and y in y, but they are ON THE SAME BLOCKCAIN. euro and dollar settle in the same place.)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278893 << usg actually ~respecting~ the renouncements, bought at whatever price, is a joke
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 21:56:31; mircea_popescu: check it out ascii_field, you just lost 5 bitcoins.
asciilifeform: why would it?
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2014 18:41:22; asciilifeform: 'escape' means there's a missile battery (or, at the threadbare minimum, 24/7 death squad) standing between usg and you.
mircea_popescu: i always thought the jews staying behind were incomprehensible.
mircea_popescu: i still think they were stupid. but i am starting to ~understand~.
asciilifeform: usa is not guarded berlin-style, it is guarded butugychag-style - 'the food is inside this wall. the bears, outside.'
asciilifeform: i can get on a motherfucking plane tonight if i wanted to. but i don't want to.
mircea_popescu: since when did "human life" become your highest value ?
asciilifeform: it doesn't.
asciilifeform: 'food' shorthand for 'things lacking which might as well eat the bullet now vs later'
asciilifeform: [insert old thread here to save time]
mircea_popescu: always take the later.
mircea_popescu: that's how you end up with a son. ask cazalla .
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278899 << if the aggregate still flexes, it too will tangle! supposing that it is long enough.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:01:22; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278566 << it is solved to my satisfaction. if there are two cables involved, the non-tangly approach is to switch overhand once, underhand once, and repeat in this exact pattern. most people always do overhand (or underhand) and so they obtain max tangle. some more intelligent (or just mentally disorganised people) do randomly alternating u/o, which res
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278709 << that's ok, when it goes below indiancandy i'll say something.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:15; mats: i figured i'd spare log readers from my blathering. and pete_dushenski's background chirping.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, could've been a daughter if God really wanted to punish me
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278910 << there is a good chunk that can be thrown out (things not implemented in classical gpg) but after this you still have a steaming pile of shit.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:15:20; punkman: mats: punkman: if it was not clear, i am handrolling the pgp packet parser in python (watta mouthful). and not having a good time of it. << I think you might have to come up << you should probably throw out a bunch of idiocies contained in the canonical rfc
asciilifeform: the more i work with this thing, the less i like it.
punkman: all roads lead to rewriting gpg
asciilifeform: and the fewer bits i see as salvageable.
asciilifeform: punkman: not merely rewriting.
asciilifeform: reinventing.
punkman: yeah that
asciilifeform: as in 'v' re: versionatronics.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278715 firstly, and most importantly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223732 and secondly, most interesting dialogue, not here but in both the livresque as well as actual history of the world, was between two people.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 17:53:49; mats: 10/10 times it is just alf and i.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 04:04:02; mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:06:24; mircea_popescu: the proposition is that the usg exists as a system of stupid people, dedicated to the supporting of stupidity and the containing of the threat (to them) presented by intelligence.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278666 << this is the true problem. and ultimately the reason urbit was nonsense (iirc alf actually even said this at some point, on his blog).
mircea_popescu: yeah got to it eventuyaly.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278960 << the answer, if there is one, is some practical means of saying no that doesn't reduce to 'eat bullet' or 'eat tree bark'
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:07:31; mircea_popescu: the proposition that for intelligent people to work for this shambling mess is deeply unethical is perhaps the most important thing in all ethics since kant.
mircea_popescu: that is pointedly no sort of solution
asciilifeform: i didn't say there ~was~ answer...
mircea_popescu: once that is on the table the problem moves from being ethical to being technical.
mircea_popescu: ethics is specifically the system of inquiry specializing in questions which end up with bullet or treebark.
asciilifeform: think of the analogy to vegetarianism in re: their pursuit of synthetic meat.
asciilifeform: at least some vegetarians appear to take an interest in 'cell culture meat' as a way of giving the yet-unpersuaded a softer nut to crack on the path to conversion
mircea_popescu: but i eat meat specifically because it is a murdered animal.
asciilifeform: not partaking in this particular variety of crackpottery, i cannot comment further, but it is logical from their pov
mircea_popescu: i'd eat vegetarian, really, if i could hunt it anywhere.
mircea_popescu: here's to hoping they move to africa and live in a commune.
asciilifeform in basic agreement with the housecat formula, 'if it eats only plant matter, it ~is~ food'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278964 << the way it works, is, approximately, every data structure is treated as something quite like a blockchain.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:09:54; mircea_popescu: the immutability thing can more or less be lied about, because if i have 32gb ram and you need 512 bytes for all you know you're on an "endless" ram machine.
asciilifeform: this gets heavy, quickly.
mircea_popescu: it does, but still, is a tiny niche.
asciilifeform: my other objection is that the ~implementation~ usually ends up being ludicrously complex and not-at-all fitsinheady
asciilifeform: for instance, i've been surveying implementations of standard ml
asciilifeform: the champ in re: fitsinhead appears to be, mega-unsurprisingly,
asciilifeform: moscow ml.
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mircea_popescu: think of the poor engineers who had to design and put this thing in.
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mircea_popescu: this is how you ruin industry.
mircea_popescu: by forcing smart people to do stupid things.
mircea_popescu: their balance is very fragile. most of their life is spent trying to distinguish stupid anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like a chinese class where just one kid is expelled for cheating, the interesting story is the ~unwritten~ one concerning why him and not the other 99 flimflammers
mircea_popescu: once you rape that tiny pore, they're useless.
mircea_popescu: see alf, gauss and newton didn't have to deal with THIS particular problem.
asciilifeform: know what else they didn't have to deal with ?
mircea_popescu: yet the same libertard fucktards, or at least the five step removed early ideologists/jesuses of the movement,
BingoBoingo: Well the engineering trade off of putting a turbo charger in a vehicle is you can increase the fuel economy or power, but the NOx emmisions must increase too
mircea_popescu: deeply understood the problems catholic church posed to science via galilo and bruno.
mircea_popescu: just... somehow it's been lost.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: somebody, it appears, stayed awake in freshman physics, and understood that if you revv up the supercharger quickly enough, gas cannot escape at the rate it is generated
asciilifeform: and you get a kind of temporary storage tank
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was gonna say 'doing retarded things to stay in food and roof' but then remembered newton's mint
mircea_popescu: iirc he enjoyed that
mircea_popescu: (it was intended as a sinecure - he chose to make it a job.)
asciilifeform: then my original stands.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Turbocharger is the one that uses exhaust gasses to provide compression. Supercharger is different, uses engine belt to provide compression. Huge performance difference when it comes to the first couple miles of driving.
mircea_popescu: well, in the case of the ones you heard of, anyway,
asciilifeform: they didn't have to do bizarre circus acrobatics to stay fed.
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mircea_popescu: newton's aunt, einstein'swife and mozart's sister were not as fortunate
asciilifeform: mozart's sister, iirc, was a very passable player but never composed.
mircea_popescu: and shakespeare's mom.
asciilifeform is one of those weirdos who skates precisely on the bleeding red edge that separates being able to do your thing, in the above sense, from not.
asciilifeform: could end up on the other side of it any minute, any day, just like that.
mircea_popescu: for all you know you wander back and forth daily.
mircea_popescu usually does.
asciilifeform: weekly.
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asciilifeform: pet appears.
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mircea_popescu has never used cat.
mircea_popescu: and his less is unaliased also. fancy that.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278749 << the former's prolly right but i still don't see how the latter flows from it. except for some people, i guess.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 19:14:43; kakobrekla: if the bar is so low that most existing and running code contains scamcode, no wonder why noone asks for an honest computer
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BingoBoingo: I've stopped trying to make any sense of fucking silver prices
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kakobrekla: how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it
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phf: asciilifeform: yes, i did some ml a while ago. i used sml/nj as a default compiler, afair it had full language coverage and nice emacs support, i would then port code to mlton or mlkit. mlton has a particularly nice feature set, small binaries, everything's unboxed, gc can be tuned, but it's full program optimizer, so at the time i didn't have the patience to use it as my primary compiler.
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phf: (i was driving between places in turkey, so no internet access)
deedbot-: [Qntra] Trump Campaign Payment Processor Fleeces Donors - http://qntra.net/2015/09/trump-campaign-payment-processor-fleeces-donors/
BingoBoingo: ^ trinque
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cazalla: i read something before how trump was all mafia'd up back in his new york days and fucked over lots of people, nfi to veracity
trinque: heh
phf: asciilifeform: actually i think the main difference is that sml/nj has a repl and better debug messages. i think these days the two are pretty much on par. shows how much i remember, last time i touched either it was on ibook g3 linuxppc
trinque: BingoBoingo: oh btw "regulatory butt thunder" had me in stitches
trinque: ah that was hdbuck
trinque: in either case, epic lolz
BingoBoingo: trinque: It was hdbuck indeed. He came up with the Thunder and I added the Butt, with his approval of course
trinque: see, I knew there was a BingoBoingo hand involved in that title
BingoBoingo: Note to potential Qntra submitters: If you want to submit a story you think is interesting, but don't think you know how to amp it up... the editors can help with that
BingoBoingo: Second Note to potential Qntra submitters: Stuff doesn't have to necessarily be "amped up" to appear on Qntra
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asciilifeform: phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned
asciilifeform: phf: if you compile standalone that is
asciilifeform: (vs bytecode)
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa
asciilifeform: 'Foreign financial institutions require ex-US individuals to show them a CLN (or provide a "reasonable explanation" of why they do not have one) to comply with the exchange of information provisions of the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) and the various intergovernmental agreements the US has signed with foreign jurisdictions.' << ahahahahaha l0l!! pay $3k to get the privilege of using this other set of usg banks in
asciilifeform: stead of the usual set of usg banks.
asciilifeform: what a deal.
cazalla: mmm smell of burning mesquite.. gunna have to watch for black people jumping my back fence trying to steal muh chicken wings
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get a different citizenship, deny you ever had us citizenship, let them prove otherwise.
cazalla: 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off
asciilifeform: iirc usg helpfully gives'em lists.
asciilifeform: of its serfs
mircea_popescu: lits of what.
mircea_popescu: containing what, social security ids ?
asciilifeform: 'mr x is our serf, do business with him like-so or we steal anything you put in usa'
asciilifeform: fuck if i know of what. fingerprints, perhaps, or stool samples, or what.
mircea_popescu: i haven't heard of a fingerprints-bank as of yet.
mircea_popescu: also the only cln seems to mean to me is a credit linked note.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was a piece linked from qntra, regarding american 'certificate of loss of nationality'
asciilifeform: i.e. emancipation papers
mircea_popescu: (which is a monstruous sort of bond/cfd)
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> 5 years for cannabis, but i wonder if silva would've got less for his escapades if he didn't run off << He passed two of the three tests
cazalla: BingoBoingo, not really up to date on it all, last i heard he just ran away instead of taking the test
BingoBoingo: cazalla: No, this was fight day, pissed in three different cups
cazalla: a-ok, don't really follow it much these days but i see rousey is headlining the ufc down under in november
BingoBoingo: Just another day in the ghetto https://archive.is/W3PJg
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assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:30:57; deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The goldfish telling the great white shark what life’s like in the ocean, and other logical fallacies. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/18/the-goldfish-telling-the-great-white-shark-what-lifes-like-in-the-ocean-and-other-logical-fallacies/
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278941 << this is the EXACT same basic thing as debeaking (ask a poultry farmer)
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:52:25; mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reality, poverty is poverty. the us is very poor, and so everything directed at keeping people from being useful "works". of course it does.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278943 << when i say mansions, i speak of actual mansions. we have'em here on the east coast.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:53:43; BingoBoingo: Of course. The mansions asciilifeform describes driving by are made of plastic and toothpicks
BingoBoingo: By the highway?
asciilifeform: i am specifically ~not~ speaking of cardboard boxes with aluminum planks.
asciilifeform: not by the highway.
asciilifeform: by the narrow street that one would never see but for the gps machine.
BingoBoingo: ah, then why are you driving by them? Do they have carp to steal?
asciilifeform: see above.
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 22:59:56; punkman: in soundbites http://langsec.org/occupy/
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-09-2015#1278952 << is this meant as some kind of improvement on good ol' yacc ?
assbot: Logged on 18-09-2015 23:00:59; punkman: https://github.com/mongrel2/mongrel2/blob/master/src/http11/http11_parser.rl << mongrel's http parser in Ragel
asciilifeform: because i don't see the improvement.
asciilifeform: elephantine piece of shit.
asciilifeform: one, and the other.
asciilifeform: and the horse it rode in on (c)
trinque: can confirm that there's plenty of old money on the east coast
trinque: though hell, don't they have the good sense to evacuate by now?
asciilifeform: evacuate where?
asciilifeform: to where ?
asciilifeform: and, more importantly, why ?
asciilifeform: ~they~ are not the ones being dekulakized.
trinque: yeah I suppose not
asciilifeform: i can already see mircea_popescu telling me, that these ain't mansions unless the stones are at least 1001 years old and were put on with druid blood
mircea_popescu: i don't recall the revolutionary term of art, but nevertheless, ideas formed on the basis of stuff glimpsed through the gps machine are not reliable.
mircea_popescu: you famously also thought random rotinculo/mortidifame journos are the wealthy elite.
asciilifeform: eh that's where i see anybody who doesn't commute to an office as elite
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mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem with formalism is that it doesn't practically yield anything past bad "art".
asciilifeform: let's have the earlier bit though - what is a mansion really ?
asciilifeform: i say, a rich fella's house, built to european standards
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude. it does not seem to me possible to even have a mansion in the land of "we rent - unfurnished!" and "building code" etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure it is. it is called 'grandfathered in'
mircea_popescu: if it were possible to have one i'd consider getting one.
asciilifeform: i.e. exempt from all reg
asciilifeform: -- never for rent, to anyone, and never subject to inspections, etc
mircea_popescu: this thing only works in the mind of soon-to-be-smoke jews.
mircea_popescu: whereby you can somehow magically be a thing of the past only.
asciilifeform: what's a jew but solid smoke
asciilifeform: i'll be the first to admit.
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asciilifeform: hell, i expect proper honest gasenwagen to make a comeback.
asciilifeform: some 'past only' l0l.
mircea_popescu: i meant more like "this no longer happens but it continues to happen for me only". it's nonsense.
trinque: BingoBoingo: I was going to say, one measure might be whether the cops are going to need something more than a boot to enter
mircea_popescu: seems the basic definition of mansion includes "off limits to police"
asciilifeform: if this, then they certainly qualify in practice !
mircea_popescu: anmd you knoiw this how ?
trinque: also, "can house all the help" which of course implies on-site help
mircea_popescu: also gps ?
asciilifeform never lived in a mansion, but has lived in streets where the police show up every day, and ones where didn't see a single one in a decade of staring out window
asciilifeform: this, i suppose, counts for nothing, because 'view from gps'.
asciilifeform: whatever.
mircea_popescu: so you lived in teh mansion ?
asciilifeform: whereas to me, 'corzine is not getting anally dilated in prison' =~= 'there are mansions, and they are off limits to police'
mircea_popescu: nobody's getting "anally dilated" in prison dude. wake up and smell the coffee, erections are rare.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck do you think actually wants to fuck you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i lived in suburbia. which is pointedly not the same thing, the mechanism whereby the police are kept distant is entirely different (obedience)
mircea_popescu: so then if you yourself don't accept the thing you propose as proof, as proof, what do you want from me!
asciilifeform: sorta more like the warm zone at auschwitz
mircea_popescu: what whatever ? no whatever, tu quoque.
asciilifeform: nah, the ~real~ mansions are where corzines, SES plum book, etc. live.
mircea_popescu: or so you posit. because "x gotta exist, and y is the more likely to succeed".
asciilifeform: the $maxint folks who never see the inside of a courtroom except as plaintiffs
mircea_popescu: the breaking news being that no, x doesn't exist. all soviets live like animals.
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking point of soviet life.
asciilifeform: i saw 'guccifer''s photos of aria rockefeller's house.
asciilifeform: what was soviet about it?
mircea_popescu: and this is what i meant earlier re "revolutionary term of art". there's this notion that members of the proletariat fight each other over imaginary class distinctions instead of uniting.
asciilifeform: and bush's, too
mircea_popescu: same idea here. you think X has it ? no usian has it.
mircea_popescu: obama's life is shit, in kenyan terms.
mircea_popescu: fucking us president, still lives worse than his grandfather,
asciilifeform: for my education, demonstrate how bush doesn't 'have it'
asciilifeform: and what 'it' is
mircea_popescu: you get to say what "it" is.
mircea_popescu: and you keep not wanting to.
asciilifeform: but my 'it' doesn't work. because it is the answer of the shipwrecked sailor re: what is best in life - 'food! water!'
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: pig: 'as much slop as will ever fit in me!'
asciilifeform: see the old mircea_popescu article re: teenagers and sex
asciilifeform: the only solid hypothesis i can make re: bush et al is that they know what 'it' is, having scratched all other conceivable itches.
mircea_popescu: let's start with a simple thing. if x owns a mansion, and x owns a wife, and x beats the shit out of his wife and throws her into the street naked to henceforth fend for herself,
trinque: asciilifeform: I think Bushes and everyone like them are entirely trapped
mircea_popescu: there is at no point any fucking question of a) being required to take her back in or b) being required to give up the mansion.
mircea_popescu: this, imo, is sufficient definition.
trinque: how many decisions do they make on their own per day? what's the ratio?
mircea_popescu: and also ends the question of "mansion in the us".
asciilifeform finally grasps what mircea_popescu was getting at.
mircea_popescu: yes, they can have hovels of all sizes.
asciilifeform: this is true, no one in usa is ghaddafi.
asciilifeform: it doesn't work.
asciilifeform: any more than on the moon.
mircea_popescu: that a 1789 nigger may be allowed to build himself a log cabin the size of the washington momunent
mircea_popescu: doth not make the exceptionally large log cabin a "town house".
mircea_popescu: first off, because there's no town.
mircea_popescu: even if the house itself may be the size of a contemporary town.
asciilifeform: aaand because it isn't a house if there is shitting on the floor happening.
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
mircea_popescu: but this is me, and i don't live there.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, tons of mansions throughout the world. from romania to sudan and from albania to pakistan.
mircea_popescu: many of them smaller than whatever you currently occupy.
mircea_popescu: and noisier. and whatever-er.
asciilifeform: this is really more a mansion in one's mind.
asciilifeform: bush would not gain it by moving to pakistan.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the jews resisting the flames through culture all went to the castle in the mind.
mircea_popescu: good for 'em.
mircea_popescu: and of fucking course bush would not gain it, whatever the fuck he does.
mircea_popescu: part of parcel of why actual people do not wish to live in the land of the dumb.
trinque: I met people in TX that were a meatwot node away from the Bush family. They're *not* free people.
asciilifeform: trinque: in what sense not ?
mircea_popescu: trinque the day the retired head of the spyhouse is excruciated in public over ANY THING you know the place's dead.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck did they not do that to hoover, if they were that brave ?
asciilifeform: why did beria's bullet have to wait for a dead stalin ?
mircea_popescu is kinda curious to see how that'd have went. three different presidents wanted to sack the schmuck but gave up because "political cost too great". ie, mansion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because soviets lived like animals.
mircea_popescu: no mansions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now this, yes
mircea_popescu: same thing, just, too close to notice.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter notice that stalin also didn't move against beria
mircea_popescu: not that he didn't want to. but, old men are cowardly, regardless of what they were in their youth.
trinque: asciilifeform: in the sense that they live lives of the strictest obedience both to some unspoken social idea of being politically "presentable" and literally to everyone involved in elevating them to what they are
asciilifeform: incidentally, usg imploded libya by vaguely promising 'mansions' - 'your crown-owned official mercedes will become yours! as will your crown-issued chicks!' etc
mircea_popescu: which is why old men make good senators and horrible dictators.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it worked, too. the us managed to get yet another ally for isis, at the cost of destructuring its mideastern holds.
mircea_popescu: they lost the saudis the day gadaffi fell.
asciilifeform: trinque: it melts my brain that someone with actual hold of, say, $100M u.s., wouldn't just pack off to timisoara or buenos aires
trinque: asciilifeform: that just isn't done
mircea_popescu: now the russians have the pincer on and there's exactly nothing the us can do to rebalance.
asciilifeform: fuck 'presentable'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is their ideas of self worth are not accepted either place.
mircea_popescu: they have exactly your problem, "do not wish to compete with younger men"
asciilifeform: who needs 'idea of self worth' when you have $maxint.
mircea_popescu: all their meatwot is not there.
asciilifeform: i only need it to eat.
asciilifeform: the meatwot.
mircea_popescu: didn't you just say you don't like yest ?
asciilifeform: plugged into the mains, so to speak.
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asciilifeform: but some folks have reactor!
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 20:49:44; ascii_field: i can afford plane ticket.
asciilifeform: why ~they~ don't run off, is beyond me.
asciilifeform: aha. ticket.
mircea_popescu: yaya, why OTHERS don't do shit is beyond you.
asciilifeform: but not food, rent for rest of life!
asciilifeform: elementary.
mircea_popescu: eh getouttahere.
mircea_popescu finds this somewhat puzzling, he has no problem competing with other men of any age. had no problem at 16 sitting 50yos on their ass, has no problem at 36 sitting 16 26 or w/e idem. i've yet to hear this magical "i'd rather go with him, he's younger" thing even.
mircea_popescu: consequently, /me suspects that this is more an artefact of incompetence and fear than actual nature.
asciilifeform: very easy when you aren't walking the line of starvation.
mircea_popescu: what THE FUCK is younger man gonna do, blow in it ?
asciilifeform: and yes, incompetence. i do not have the competences of mircea_popescu, this is not a seekrit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what starvation. are you proposing i'm BUYING my shit ?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would that go.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu operates profitable businesses, etc.
asciilifeform: reactor.
mircea_popescu: ya sure. and if i were fucking starving, what exacty difference;d it make to you ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps unrelated (but possibly not), near the minez where i toil there has always been beggars. as in, 24/7, the buggers beg in shifts. for a month or so there was a cosmic anomaly: a passably young gurl. and today she was dragged away screaming by two bicycle cops.
mircea_popescu: lmao the bicycle cops.
asciilifeform: aha, never saw those before in any sort of numbers outside university campus
mircea_popescu: didja offer her a cup of coffee ?
asciilifeform: somehow they are a thing now.
mircea_popescu: "somehow". shortages is the somehow.
asciilifeform: gotta be.
asciilifeform: either undersupply of squad cars or - as i assumed - oversupply of policemen
mircea_popescu: why did you not talk up the cosmic anomaly, aflie!
asciilifeform: from what, car ? l0l
mircea_popescu: they stop, don't they ?
trinque: cazalla: cool shots
asciilifeform: cazalla: very spiffy. yours ?
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mircea_popescu: cazalla "fluturele alb al verzei". cabbage white buttefly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what am i to do with the wild animal, l0l.
cazalla: yes, broad beans as previously mentioned, lots of bees and insects about with the warmer spring weather
mircea_popescu: whatcha call it ? (horrid pest, it is)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform TALK.
asciilifeform doesn't zoophilia
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you know in advance omaigerd.
asciilifeform: sometimes i do talk to bumz!
asciilifeform: when on foot.
asciilifeform: in a car it is a little awkward.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah white butterfly but broad beans are a good scam as the flowers trick them
mircea_popescu: but missing out the cosmic anomaly ? it gotta be investigated.
mircea_popescu: you're a scientist aren't you ?
trinque: man I love talking with bums
trinque: highly entertaining
asciilifeform: trinque: i especially like 'math bums'
asciilifeform: a species we have in some abundance here
mircea_popescu: i certainly never miss the opportunity to inquire with young female beggars, because the thing puzzles me
asciilifeform: aha, inevitably 'why???'
mircea_popescu: o btw, feminazis chicks : how come you don't go begging more often bitchez ? you know, for equalitit.
mircea_popescu: "oh, men dominate all professions. mostly, busking. but let's talk about vague shit instead like carly fiorina and how she ruined hp"
asciilifeform: !s glass cellar
assbot: 0 results for 'glass cellar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=glass+cellar
asciilifeform: ;;google glass cellar
gribble: Urban Dictionary: glass cellar: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glass+cellar>; Labor Day's Glass Cellars and Women's Wisdom - Dr. Warren Farrell: <http://warrenfarrell.com/labor-days-glass-cellars-and-womens-wisdom/>; Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar? (They can change the ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2146979/Who-cares-men-stuck- (1 more message)
asciilifeform: (americanism. refers to the effect in question.)
mircea_popescu: Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar? (They can change the ... ) <<< i expect they expect "men" to "fix everything" because "theyt're good at that and shit" ?
mircea_popescu: dumbasses srlsly.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck let the 15yos out of their mother's basement.
trinque departs to drink and be merry with the couple of highly respectable gentlemen (such as ben_vulpes) he had the honor to meet on his tour in Portland.
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