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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is like... and obama will order the atmosphere to lie and pretend it's global cooling.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97000 @ 0.00075459 = 73.1952 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00075364 = 29.0151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78950 @ 0.00075346 = 59.4857 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85848 @ 0.00075233 = 64.586 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81219 @ 0.00075387 = 61.2286 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 230.44, vol: 13136.25424796 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 228.579, vol: 6338.32943 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 231.33, vol: 6766.353474 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 240.0, vol: 0.93656349 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 233.274648, vol: 15104.36090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 231.6241, vol: 107.81899539 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 230.39788235, vol: 58.66011549 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 231.335535801
asciilifeform: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
asciilifeform: dead from here.
asciilifeform: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00075387 = 22.6161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32798 @ 0.00075154 = 24.649 BTC [-] {2}
mats: dns is fucky on this end
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185988 @ 0.0007501 = 139.5096 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65626 @ 0.00074864 = 49.1302 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00074864 = 27.7371 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "Jaguar is installing brainwave sensors adapted from NASA into the steering wheel of an XJ sedan, along with medical-grade heart and respiratory sensors in the seat. Together, the sensors would determine if the driver is focused on the road, dozing off, merely thinking about something else, or if the driver's stress level suddenly peaks."
pete_dushenski: there are too many lulz in the auto space today. what is it, christmas ?
pete_dushenski: now imagine that your car or your phone or your computer shuts down for no apparent reason because it 'detected' that you were drowsy and that it wasn't 'safe' for you to continue operation
pete_dushenski: fuck, your coffee maker could do the same. wouldn't that be ironic.
pete_dushenski: and really, if your jag can tell that you're thinking about little boys, what's it gonna do, load up fresh gps coordinates and aim you at the nearest bible school to cleanse you of your sins ? (or provide a means of satisfying your earthly urges?)
pete_dushenski: honestly, how fucking smart and alert do you have to be to drive a car ?
pete_dushenski: if you can't think about the meeting you're driving to AND merge lanes, you're too dumb to be on the road.
pete_dushenski: go take an uber
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52242 @ 0.00075614 = 39.5023 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48386 @ 0.00075981 = 36.7642 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Irving 9th-grader arrested after taking homemade clock to school: 'So you tried to make a bomb?' | Dallas Morning News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEZNv9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89717 @ 0.00074845 = 67.1487 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35608 @ 0.00076012 = 27.0664 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.00074804 = 37.589 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151143 @ 0.00076021 = 114.9004 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00074765 = 28.7845 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Xerox PARC's new chip will self destruct in 10 seconds | PCWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1iNX7jD )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191800 @ 0.00074699 = 143.2727 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52850 @ 0.00074643 = 39.4488 BTC [-] {3}
copypaste: hello, is trilema.com down for anyone else?
copypaste: i receive SERVERROR from DNS
copypaste: both my ISP DNS and 8.8.8.8
punkman: copypaste: there was a ddos going on
assbot: #10422989 - Pastie ... ( http://bit.ly/1gq3KGW )
copypaste: why would DDoS invalidate A record?
copypaste: i guess maybe if Mircea unset the A record to try to stop the attack, but if the attacker already knows the target IP that won't help.
copypaste: anyway, thank you :) i'll waiting until it comes back. good to know it isn's tjust me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69151 @ 0.00075744 = 52.3777 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44300 @ 0.00074593 = 33.0447 BTC [-]
assbot: I created a fake business and bought it an amazing online reputation | Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuYhRd )
punkman: "Now that I’ve seen the Internet’s deception marketplace, it’s going to haunt me. When I see a review online, unless it’s written by someone I know and trust, I’m always going to be wondering whether I’m looking at a review from a satisfied customer or an undercover paid promoter."
thestringpuller: Web of Trust based comments. This is probably why Facebook reviews are so highly sought by businesses.
thestringpuller: this shit is better than a presedential election
assbot: Unknown Fields Division - Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1iv0lIU )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30993 @ 0.0007517 = 23.2974 BTC [+]
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276137 <<< reading this, it so smacks of desperation yet the author still has the delusion that bip101 is going to do a 360 and become standard.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 08:22:52; thestringpuller: LO FUCKING L https://www.bigblockbounty.com/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00075128 = 30.8776 BTC [-]
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276070 <<< Ppl that do this are just nasty, it is quite common here yes. Usually the owner of said vehicle is obese, and a Evangelical Christian.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 03:55:59; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that it can be seen on EVERY PARKING LOT
shinohai: Somewhere in the Bible it must say "Thou shalt not empty the trash from thy vehicle or thy living space. Thus saith the Lord."
punkman has never seen trashcan-car
shinohai: It's one of my peevs
shinohai: Just because you are poor doesn't mean you have to live like a fucking animal.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128450 @ 0.00075097 = 96.4621 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: I often wonder if it is evolution's way of pulling life-forms back in to the primordial soup from whence it came for recycling.
thestringpuller: punkman: "trashcan-car" << i like it.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: honestly, how fucking smart and alert do you have to be to drive a car ? << I have always had sleep problems. As a kid would always fall asleep on car rides. And as an adult I seem to regularly fall asleep at the wheel and still get home. But this is super dangerous. I really need to just pull over and nap for a second or red bull it up like a trucker would do...
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: qntra.net is down for me too. can anyone in US reach it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68550 @ 0.0007517 = 51.529 BTC [+]
shinohai: I can't reach qntra
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83800 @ 0.00075263 = 63.0704 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54480 @ 0.00075077 = 40.9019 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.0007506 = 2.8523 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00075731 = 27.7933 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9508 @ 0.00074972 = 7.1283 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149250 @ 0.0007471 = 111.5047 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00075743 = 25.3739 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90550 @ 0.00074433 = 67.3991 BTC [-] {5}
shinohai: ;;later tell asciilifeform are there any realbtc nodes up? (assuming i don't resolve before you respond)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.0007575 = 40.6778 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121450 @ 0.00075753 = 92.002 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53977 @ 0.0007433 = 40.1211 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21573 @ 0.00074301 = 16.029 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: shinohai, mine's up to block 346519
shinohai: danielpbarron: may I connect to urs ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73800 @ 0.00075563 = 55.7655 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: shinohai, ya
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00075755 = 11.0602 BTC [+]
shinohai: pm ip pl0x?
danielpbarron: just whois me
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88686 @ 0.00074271 = 65.868 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00075728 = 14.464 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00074487 = 37.2435 BTC [-]
shinohai: ok had to reboot danielpbarron but connected
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111400 @ 0.00074272 = 82.739 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2825 @ 0.00074505 = 2.1048 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68975 @ 0.00075201 = 51.8699 BTC [+]
punkman: https://twitter.com/Zerodium "Our price range for 0days we acquired so far: Mobile $100K, Browsers $50K-30K+Sandbx/Krnl $50K-30K, Flash $45K-25K, Office $40K-25K, Java $0"
assbot: Zerodium (@Zerodium) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1ivsTlI )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42679 @ 0.00074174 = 31.6567 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54450 @ 0.00074881 = 40.7727 BTC [+]
mod6: i've got 374802
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 374802 | Current Difficulty: 5.695764845501001E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 374975 | Next Difficulty In: 173 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 1 hour, 19 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
punkman: mod6: falling behind?
mod6: this one has been up to date everytime I've checked it. like 1x per day.
mod6: never an issue.
punkman: except today?
punkman: ah never mind, misread numbers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25510 @ 0.00074881 = 19.1021 BTC [+]
mod6: np
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55519 @ 0.0007502 = 41.6504 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40381 @ 0.00075608 = 30.5313 BTC [+]
assbot: Malaysia and Indonesia begin cloud seeding to fight haze: How cloud seeding works, SE Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lgyyqw )
shinohai: mod6: mine finally connected to dpb after a few hiccups
shinohai: I have this weird bug that if I add or change ip's I have to reboot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00075038 = 38.6446 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00074174 = 36.1227 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82285 @ 0.00075755 = 62.335 BTC [+]
punkman: "Cryptome and JY use a slew of PKs and IDs other than those compromised. Many one-time. For mutual protection, to expire, isolate, expunge." "Few of Cryptome and JY PKs are on manipulable key servers. And none via transgressable WoT or cryptoparty. More signs cloak imposters."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 212300 @ 0.00074129 = 157.3759 BTC [-] {6}
punkman: "very interested to see what details (if any) emerge from @cryptomeorg regarding its supposed key compromise." Answer: "Suspects: Truecrypt, SCS in DC, PGP flaw, all the other usuals."
Azelphur: Gotta love Korean Engrish eBay sellers "Hello, I'd like to buy 4 of your monitors, give me a discount" "Ok, I'll do them for $530.90" *Submits offer of $530.90* *eBay seller submits counter offer of $575*
punkman: Azelphur: what does $500 get you from korea these days?
Azelphur: 40" 4k
punkman: what resolution is that?
Azelphur: 3840 X 2160
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277542 @ 0.00075317 = 209.0363 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: In Search of SYNful Routers ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ow6hNO )
kakobrekla: punkman i do not recommend those slightly-cheaper-way-worse screens at all.
punkman: kakobrekla: I'd have bought some of the cheap 27" korean monitors but I'd get fucked at customs, so not yet
kakobrekla: i bought five of those you speak
kakobrekla: gave them away and bought five dells
punkman: Dell is not slightly more expensive though, was double the price last time I checked
kakobrekla: i ended up paying 50-100 more per screen at the end of the day.
mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et. al: check it out, I also now have added who has signed which vpatch on-mouseover to http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
assbot: V_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )
kakobrekla: and the difference is night and day, incomparable.
punkman: mod6, can you also fit in some filenames on the edges of the graph?
mod6: shinohai: ok cool!
kakobrekla: punkman also later on i mange to fuck up two screens somehow (suspekt faulty dp cable) and i called in support, they delivered new ones without questions.
mod6: punkman: what file names? for the sigs?
punkman: mod6: filenames from the patches
kakobrekla: meanwhile one of the korean screens came bent
mod6: OH. i think what you're looking for is this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/v-tree-svg.html
assbot: Untitled graph ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ow7BAd )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19534 @ 0.00076306 = 14.9056 BTC [+]
mod6: or is that not what you mean? i wanna keep the vpatch-nodes as uncluttered as possible.
kakobrekla: perhaps 'curved' is a better term.
punkman: mod6, yeah but they don't need to be separate nodes
mod6: right, but you mean the actual changed filenames.
punkman: maybe it could appear when you mouse over an edge, the files a patch "inherits" from a previous patch
mod6: hmm. i'll think on it a bit. if i can make it happen with a mouse over that'd be ideal. i just don't want a static label though, because then it'd be too hard to read.
mod6: <+punkman> maybe it could appear when you mouse over an edge, the files a patch "inherits" from a previous patch << exactly this
punkman: if you can put a single character label on the edges, that'd work out
punkman: kakobrekla: perhaps 'curved' is a better term. << free upgrade :P
kakobrekla: not really the back light was all fucked
kakobrekla: because of that.
punkman: http://www.infowars.com/germany-austria-close-borders-schengen-agreement-under-pressure-will-war-emerge/ << some friends were passing through germany yesterday, had to spend like 5 hours near the border
assbot: » Germany & Austria Close Borders — Schengen Agreement Under Pressure — Will War Emerge? Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmOe6A )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42950 @ 0.00075114 = 32.2615 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: here i was doing a comparison for korean cockroaches - bleeding fail: http://i.imgur.com/82Z88Nv.jpg
kakobrekla: and it was 'acceptable' for a day or two. i found out many more problems than this.
Azelphur: kakobrekla: these monitors are nuts quality wise, you know tek syndicate?
kakobrekla: nfi what that is
Azelphur: kakobrekla: fairly well known youtube tech channel, reviews, linux stuff, etc
kakobrekla: people were 'thrilled' about qnix back then too
kakobrekla: utter garbage
Azelphur: kakobrekla: summary from tek syndicate, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o553bTyFElQ&t=8m30s :)
assbot: Affordable 39" 4k Gaming Monitor - The AMH A399U - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ow8AAy )
kakobrekla: MAYBE you can get away if you use a single monitor and get lucky
kakobrekla: i have a color calibrator and i couldnt get these to sync color no matter what i did
Azelphur: kakobrekla: amusingly I actually have 4 of the Matrix (Very similar to the QNIX) right now
kakobrekla: i hooked up 5 dells, they were all same.
kakobrekla: such garbage i felt bad selling them , so i just gave them away for free.
Azelphur: I'm selling mine lol, should net about £600 for my current four
kakobrekla: this way a year or more ago i think.
Azelphur shrugs
Azelphur: yea I mean I already have people lined up to take mine off my hands
Azelphur: so much so I think there will be a bidding war, haven't even posted it on eBay but I have 3 people wanting to buy a total of 6 monitors >.<
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ow9wVp )
thestringpuller: Azelphur old friend.
Azelphur waves
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00074716 = 28.6162 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15532 @ 0.00075114 = 11.6667 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: I really liked when you helped me buy that raspberry pi
thestringpuller: use that a lot now
thestringpuller: 3.4 BTC XD
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 13:22:37; punkman: "Cryptome and JY use a slew of PKs and IDs other than those compromised. Many one-time. For mutual protection, to expire, isolate, expunge." "Few of Cryptome and JY PKs are on manipulable key servers. And none via transgressable WoT or cryptoparty. More signs cloak imposters."
punkman: asciilifeform: from cryptome twitter
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276169 << zoolag is up, and mircea_popescu's node is (last i checked) up
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 10:26:36; shinohai: ;;later tell asciilifeform are there any realbtc nodes up? (assuming i don't resolve before you respond)
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 12:19:29; punkman: https://twitter.com/Zerodium "Our price range for 0days we acquired so far: Mobile $100K, Browsers $50K-30K+Sandbx/Krnl $50K-30K, Flash $45K-25K, Office $40K-25K, Java $0"
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 12:19:29; punkman: https://twitter.com/Zerodium "Our price range for 0days we acquired so far: Mobile $100K, Browsers $50K-30K+Sandbx/Krnl $50K-30K, Flash $45K-25K, Office $40K-25K, Java $0"
asciilifeform: and the proof is an impossibility.
asciilifeform: hence, snore.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 13:55:14; kakobrekla: meanwhile one of the korean screens came bent
asciilifeform: the only two makers of lcd that i ever saw making anything other than disposable garbage are eizo and barco.
asciilifeform: everything else, regardless of price, makes my eyes bleed.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276234 << here's an idea: why not make the 'signed by' mouseover appear over the ~arrows~, while files-changed appears when mousing over the nodes.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 13:53:26; mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et. al: check it out, I also now have added who has signed which vpatch on-mouseover to http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
asciilifeform: the only other change i'd make is to have leaf nodes glued to the top of the graph
asciilifeform: (asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch for instance is buried in the middle, but it is a leaf)
asciilifeform: belongs side by side with asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch
kakobrekla: the screen being bent is not a common problem
kakobrekla: the screen being shit (and electronics in it) is.
mod6: right. ok good point asciilifeform
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: those panels look like shit even when virginal
asciilifeform: ~and~ tend to have 30Hz refresh
mod6: so as far as the signed by.. i felt like it made more since to go along with the text in the node. instead of the edge, but maybe im wrong there.
mod6: i'll see what I can do.
asciilifeform: files-changed could just as well go in the arrow's mouseover
kakobrekla: asciilifeform correct, so i guess the bent thing isnt really why you buy 'eizo' only :)
kakobrekla: anyway, forget it.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> files-changed could just as well go in the arrow's mouseover << ok, i just got this working. pretty much the same layout as it is when you check descendents explicitly.
asciilifeform: mod6: neato
assbot: This Is Why Hewlett-Packard Just Fired Another 30,000 | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRRZHI )
mircea_popescu: heh. lemme guess, that fiorina chick did such an amazing woman job the company's fucked now.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: mod6: i only see one filename in the arrow mouseovers
mod6: yeah, thats atm. i haven't updated it yet.
asciilifeform: ;;isup trilema.com
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 05:49:57; pete_dushenski: honestly, how fucking smart and alert do you have to be to drive a car ?
gribble: trilema.com is up
asciilifeform: 'isup' officially worthless
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what did you think ddos meant ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idk, let's see the chart ?
mircea_popescu: which chart ?
asciilifeform: bw/time
mircea_popescu: idk, who even cares anymore. over 10, prolly under 100
asciilifeform: ddos artist can saturate arbitrary pipe for less than it costs usg to house one prisoner.
asciilifeform: which is why the days of items hosted on just one box and handed out to the beoble just for the asking, are numbered.
asciilifeform: at least with respect to us.
asciilifeform: the way it oughta work is, knock on one of 10,001 doors with signed packet, then get to talk. not before, and not otherwise.
mircea_popescu: yes yes they are numbered.
mircea_popescu: now what ?
shinohai: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
asciilifeform: how does that thing work anyway
punkman: it doesn't work
asciilifeform: no shit
mircea_popescu: afaik it calls "down for everyone" or w/e it was
mircea_popescu: apparently not.
mircea_popescu: maybe it just calls "echo $x is up" lol
asciilifeform: 'Donate to help refugees and migrants in urgent need. We'll match your donation.' << google.
asciilifeform: egregious public masturbation by usg
mircea_popescu: wtf is google, the employer of syria and you're their parents and let's make an employee roth ira ?!
mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, the last edge isn't cooperating hehe. I'll have to mess around with this later, I'll let you all know when there is another update.
kakobrekla: gribble timeouts after 5 sec, isup.me doesnt resolve qntra for longer than that
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276129 << i wasn't giving a shit then, either, for one thing. for the other ;; ANSWER SECTION: qntra.net.0INA188.68.240.165 so i dunno, maybe dns sucked then ? no idea.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 07:27:54; copypaste: i guess maybe if Mircea unset the A record to try to stop the attack, but if the attacker already knows the target IP that won't help.
mircea_popescu: but it occurs to me mebbe i should get a box with the dudes hosting this guy.
mircea_popescu: copypaste who was it again ?
shinohai: ^_________________^
mircea_popescu: shinohai it won
mircea_popescu: t, conceivably, do anything about ddos. but i was looking for a place to host nsa if you recall.
shinohai: Oh yes, poor phuctor is still down :(
asciilifeform: shinohai: it presently has no home.
mircea_popescu: "If the reward isn't earned by 2016-02-11 00:00:00 UTC, it will be split evenly between NoiseTor and OpenBazaar."
mircea_popescu: bwahaha gtfo. stupid ass scams.
shinohai: I know, my rss feed stopped working and I saw you discussing it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276142 << it's the ONLY retarded soup they got fed in school.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 08:45:48; shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276137 <<< reading this, it so smacks of desperation yet the author still has the delusion that bip101 is going to do a 360 and become standard.
mircea_popescu: cinderella gotta win because she was indicated by the scriptwriter as the good thing. he has this mental ability, to watch reality like it were hollywood fiction, and identify what the script writer means
mircea_popescu: american genre savvy for a cold, cold world THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW ITSELF WORKS!!11
mircea_popescu: but dontcha mind it little girl, do something stupid and google will match it!
mircea_popescu: after all, that's what they've been doing throughout your life so far! you ask something dumb in the box, it pretends like it's a question and it pretrends like it has answers.
mircea_popescu: selected! just for you!
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 15:10:00; mircea_popescu: but it occurs to me mebbe i should get a box with the dudes hosting this guy.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276150 << you got it backwards. being a fucking animal DOES mean you must be poor. because poverty is earned.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 08:52:26; shinohai: Just because you are poor doesn't mean you have to live like a fucking animal.
mircea_popescu: people keep going on about how riches aren't, at least some of the time, earned. big fucking whoop.
mircea_popescu: the issue is, poverty is always earned.
mircea_popescu: and it's hard fucking work being that fucking dumb.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform copypaste fellow, runs that chan thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the funny part is that i know folks who are not in any usual sense poor (as in, lacking for money) with car like that.
mircea_popescu: sure, unrelated concerns
asciilifeform: u.s. folk tend to spend astonishing amounts of time in their cars, and they begin to resemble their usual dwellings
mircea_popescu looks around
asciilifeform: while the traditional path to bumhood nearly always involves a stage of 'live in your car'
mircea_popescu: nope, no food containers. because... my food doesn't come in containers.
mircea_popescu: dude wtf does that mean, "live in your car".
mircea_popescu: like, where's the shower, in your car.
mircea_popescu: where's the kitchen, in your car.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it means that a fella who went flat broke will sell his house, his clothes, and only lastly the car.
lobbes: no need for showers when bum
asciilifeform: kitchen ahahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: are these men so utterly sexed they "live" where they sleep, because they always sleep "at home" ?
asciilifeform: as described by orlov, even; the reason why the car is sold last of all is that without it, no money.
asciilifeform: as in, no possibility of earning a wage
asciilifeform: for typical schmuck
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276193 << heh. i wonder if microsoft matches that.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 12:19:29; punkman: https://twitter.com/Zerodium "Our price range for 0days we acquired so far: Mobile $100K, Browsers $50K-30K+Sandbx/Krnl $50K-30K, Flash $45K-25K, Office $40K-25K, Java $0"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno who'd hire that.
asciilifeform: Sellbrooklynbridgeodium
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who'd hire what? a hobo? plenty of folks, so long as he finds a place he can sneak into and wash
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 13:22:37; punkman: "Cryptome and JY use a slew of PKs and IDs other than those compromised. Many one-time. For mutual protection, to expire, isolate, expunge." "Few of Cryptome and JY PKs are on manipulable key servers. And none via transgressable WoT or cryptoparty. More signs cloak imposters."
asciilifeform: it actually reads very much like j.y.'s drivel on crypto ml
punkman: mircea_popescu: I'm sure meta-JY doesn't even use PGP for windows
mircea_popescu: in an excel spreadsheet.
mircea_popescu: "transgressable WoT" ? da fuck is that even supposed to be.
punkman: maybe he meant traversable
mircea_popescu: maybe he meant his mother's half price till xmas.
thestringpuller: person claims Coinbase et. al will use consumer deposits to finance their side of the hard fork war
thestringpuller: scandalous as shit.
mircea_popescu: you know, this "fiction as reality/reality as fiction" approach fits the usian behaviour remarkably well. they "feel bad for animals" because they think the superset of "animals" is in a disnety cartoon / the guy in a suit at disney world. as above, the lost XT imbecile imagines he has identified in a putative script of an imaginary film of reality the chekov gun, and so therefore, economy of means, bip 101 necessarily
mircea_popescu: will happen because things can't just go to waste (in fiction - nevermind that in reality 99% of everything exists as waste and that includes his entire existence)
mircea_popescu: these schmucks doing "op security" like it is a sort of literotica novella, you know, "transgressable WoT". what, is it not a word ?
mircea_popescu: it's a word! it's in a book! all is well!
asciilifeform: 11:15 < thestringpuller> Users didn't sign up to have their coins sold on the open market to finance a war...
asciilifeform: 11:15 < Aquentin> dude, they a proxy for the users
asciilifeform: 11:15 < Aquentin> and the users support bip101, some 80%... so saying bitpay or coinbase is a shortcut for saying users would...
asciilifeform: ^ gold.
mircea_popescu: hey, it's how usg works!
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: i have little doubt this is exactly what they'd do
mircea_popescu: fortunately nobody uses them.
mircea_popescu: (actually, for all you know aquentin fellow got this brilliant idea by reading teh logs, im pretty sure it was discussed coupla months back)
asciilifeform: more than once.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276218 << i am still "very interested" to hear the details that emerge from the "thorough investigation" Freenode promised back the first time imbecile usg tried to disrupt b-a.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 13:29:47; punkman: "very interested to see what details (if any) emerge from @cryptomeorg regarding its supposed key compromise." Answer: "Suspects: Truecrypt, SCS in DC, PGP flaw, all the other usuals."
asciilifeform: standard buterin's waterfall.
punkman: asciilifeform: any clue what "SCS in DC" might be?
mircea_popescu: speshul comm services ?
asciilifeform: 'special collections service'
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you once said bitcoin will get rid of the stupid by pushing the 99% of garbage and waste so far underground we don't have to deal with it. Can this happen sooner plz?
mircea_popescu: no. this is how it looks.
mircea_popescu: they sit around agreeing with each other on reddit. that is what it is.
thestringpuller: ah. i recall on trilema (which i can't access right now due to DDOS or something), the bitcoiner's press guide: "Ignore them, they don't matter." Guess this applies to the garbage as well.
mircea_popescu: well you know, you wanna im with derps, you get what they got. if you didn't want any, talk to someone else.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the annoying thing is that this will need to happen, apparently, at the packet level.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: and a bit sooner than expected.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276223 << in argentina the same 500 (in their estimation) gets you 15" 1.4k.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 13:39:41; Azelphur: 3840 X 2160
mircea_popescu: socialist implementation of "respeto por el trabajador"
asciilifeform: actually that korean piece of shit is ~the~ implementation of 'respeto por el trabajador'
asciilifeform: i'd take a 1993 vga crt over it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170811 @ 0.00076519 = 130.7029 BTC [+] {8}
asciilifeform: with lcd panels, as everything else, nobody cancelled the old adage 'tanstaafl'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276234 << shit now i gotta change my browser. svg fails to render ;/
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 13:53:26; mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et. al: check it out, I also now have added who has signed which vpatch on-mouseover to http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
asciilifeform: (pronounce like Schutzstaffel !)
mod6: oh dang, mircea_popescu. and it did render before?
asciilifeform: sorta why i liked the ascii art one
mircea_popescu: i was trying to not care before.
mod6: oh
mod6: yeah, i see what you mean.
mod6: i'll see what I can do about getting a ascii one generated too.
mircea_popescu: anyway, looks great on firefox.
mircea_popescu: nah, dun bother.
mircea_popescu: svg gotta work that's all there is to it. ima see what i can possibly do.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276260 << don't those stupid ass power leds bother you ?
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 14:04:04; kakobrekla: here i was doing a comparison for korean cockroaches - bleeding fail: http://i.imgur.com/82Z88Nv.jpg
asciilifeform: i turn mine off.
mircea_popescu: they got those things to where they came right off a tanning bed by now, i gotta run around with ductape and put TWELVE LAYERS on everything
asciilifeform: (decent panels let you do so without desoldering)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i turned some off with a clipper also.
kakobrekla: i taped them over for the few days i had those things installed
mircea_popescu: i do not believe in cosmetic interventions to remedy defects. i'd much rather take out a bad led like that with a red hot poker
kakobrekla: why take out led if not keeping screen
kakobrekla: let somebody else bother with it.
mircea_popescu: right, those i tape.
mircea_popescu: just, you know, imagine my face when it shone through one layer of duct tape ff
mircea_popescu: wtf must be going on in these people's heads, "5 lumen, ok led, 165 lumen, BEST LED!11"
kakobrekla: more IS better
kakobrekla: large amount of phone number also.
mircea_popescu: why not just put some plutonium. cherenkov effect makes air blue!11
asciilifeform: one more thing 'eizo' got right.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's because you can't turn that off huh.
asciilifeform: where everyone else shat pants
mircea_popescu: the ONLY reason leds ever got to be popular is that they had DISCREET light originally. ie, you couldn't really tell with a proper light on.
pete_dushenski: eh apple cinema displays ain't so bad, just... apple
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: every single one i ever saw in person was terrible
asciilifeform: srsly, glossy lcd !!!!?
asciilifeform: fuck that.
pete_dushenski: glossy ? oh that's only the new ones.
pete_dushenski: yes, terrible things.
asciilifeform: the old ones were terrible also.
asciilifeform: expensive, sure. but eyes bleed.
pete_dushenski: eyes bleed ?
asciilifeform: yes. if you're used to proper lcd.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 14:06:07; kakobrekla: i have a color calibrator and i couldnt get these to sync color no matter what i did
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how do oyu feel about DLP?
kakobrekla: im happy with my dells. as for the button, its so dim i cant tell if its painted or lit
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: got one in the bedroom. a nice one, too. but wouldn't dream of using it for actual work.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is strictly for watching films
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47126 @ 0.00075992 = 35.812 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: well if you have more than 1 screen and colors are off, its annoying and it gets progressively more annoying with the screen count
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: and last i checked, there is precisely one maker of usable (solid-state light source) large dlp machines, also.
asciilifeform: of all people... casio.
assbot: Come see what "positive", "affirmative" etc mean! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KmYn34 )
mircea_popescu: ok there we go.
thestringpuller: i thought TI also had a market in DLP too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48474 @ 0.00075125 = 36.4161 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: they only make the chip
mircea_popescu: !up ghtdak
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm speaking of the entire projector
kakobrekla: because white is green on one screen, yellow on the other, green on the third and red on the fourth
mircea_popescu: watching full panel porn should be a pretty decent exercise in impresionism
mircea_popescu: "yo tits, why's her tits turn green on the upstroke ?" "she's too excited to contain her inner greens"
lobbes: oh nice, qntra's back up too
mircea_popescu: quick everyone, before the next one!
mircea_popescu: do the deeds!
pete_dushenski: https://luminous-landscape.com/eizo-coloredge-cg301w-vs-the-apple-30/ << "And I cannot emphasize enough what a difference it makes to be able to sit in front of a display for many hours without experiencing the typical eye strain and user fatigue." << hm. photographer/phd physicist who switched from acd to eizo.
assbot: Eizo ColorEdge CG301W vs. The Apple 30 - Luminous Landscape ... ( http://bit.ly/1Of6hCL )
asciilifeform: it is interesting how in just about every tech sector, there is ONE (perhaps two) vendors who make nice thing, optionally a few 'passable', and everybody else sells garbage.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform wins
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pick one up, see for yourself
asciilifeform: 'barco' also makes proper lcd. my brother has one.
kakobrekla: i bet even 'eizo' drift over time
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: everything drifts. that's what the colorimeter is for.
asciilifeform: though i am not an artist, and do not deal in precise gammas, and do not personally notice.
mircea_popescu: this would be a pretty decent word problem.
kakobrekla: not an artist either but it bothers the shit out of me
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: on eizo ?!
asciilifeform: korean garbage naturally drifts quickly enough to use as a disco light
kakobrekla: note i do not have a bothering problem now, for my setup it is solved
kakobrekla: it bothers me in general, when i see it at others.
mircea_popescu: "given a panel of 5 identical lcds, that have been on doing WoW for the past 5.5 years, if the same numeric value is rendered as red 10% more saturated on the most versus the least, calculate the probability"
kakobrekla: U2713HM is what i run.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 13:53:36; kakobrekla: and the difference is night and day, incomparable.
mircea_popescu: Find Your Keys11:46 am 5.7 KiB***SPAM*** Never Lose Your Keys Ever Again
mircea_popescu: that's be one hell of a service.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i presently have a ev2736w, two sx2462w, and a l885. (all but the last stand vertically.)
kakobrekla: five identical dells here, set up in a way that bleeding pic shows
kakobrekla: approx.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276226 << anyone else puzzled re: the total lack of mention of the author of the implant (usg) ?
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 13:43:06; punkman: https://zmap.io/synful/
mircea_popescu: assbot croaked ?
mircea_popescu: o nm me.
kakobrekla: lol that face censor - famous pedo algo
asciilifeform: (summary: the rootkit was found and reversed - or alternatively, 'burned'. and no mention of its author. god himself put it there! apparently)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108250 @ 0.00074319 = 80.4503 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: "To identify implanted devices, we look for non-compliant responses where the sequence number is set to zero, the urgent flag is unset, and the urgent pointer is set to 0x0001. We do not respond with an ACK packet, and instead send a RST, closing the connection. This does not exploit the vulnerability, attempt a login, or complete the handshake. However, this does allows us to discern implanted from non-implanted route
mircea_popescu: rs, since a non-implanted router should not set the urgent pointer, and has only a
mircea_popescu: 1 in 232 chance of selecting zero as the sequence number."
mircea_popescu: this is why it was burned, ftr.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56450 @ 0.00075852 = 42.8185 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: too easy to spot.
mircea_popescu: s/232/2^32/
asciilifeform: upgrade from the dumb beta version to spiffy new orifice, burn old.
mircea_popescu: myeah, what are they gonna do, include their own keys on the device end ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a compromised key generator would've been classier
asciilifeform: or hell, leak the key in delays or other garbage
asciilifeform: !s kleptography
assbot: 3 results for 'kleptography' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kleptography
asciilifeform: a 'spontaneous malfunction' of one bit in something, anything outgoing, can be a bit of leaked key
asciilifeform: Run Moar Cisco !
mircea_popescu: and this is worth doin gbecause...
mircea_popescu: !up VariaVarietatis
mircea_popescu: what part of b-a are we analysing today, VariaVarietatis ?
thestringpuller: Cisco hardware has been diddle more than catholic school boys.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you had an article, iirc, about u.s. firms voluntarily bending over by installing cisco and related gear, to avoid the rougher and less lubricated anal inspection of 'national security letter' etc.
asciilifeform: that would be the point then.
mircea_popescu: or might have been just off the cuff comment here.
asciilifeform: possibly.
mircea_popescu: but i was asking, what'd be the point for nsa to make something classier.
mircea_popescu: they're not classy, the "victims" aren't classy either. whence all this class ?
mircea_popescu: what are you, a classist ?
asciilifeform: in the craftsman.
asciilifeform: if i were in the service of hitler, that is how ~i~ would have written it.
thestringpuller: was watching beavis and butthead do america last night. fbi somehow gets involved in trying to track them down for reasons, but everyone who has encountered the teens gets cavity searched.
asciilifeform: and it cannot be said that these folks never have class. diddled disk fw is classy.
thestringpuller: "We have to cavity search them just to be sure!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, disk fw is still something WE SUSPECT
mircea_popescu: we've not seen that they ever actually did.
asciilifeform: ahahaha no
asciilifeform: it was revealed.
mircea_popescu: did i miss a memo ?
asciilifeform: binariez even.
mircea_popescu: link or something ?
asciilifeform: reviewed on qntra
asciilifeform: one of the very few articles i wrote personally
asciilifeform: later i got hold of the actual binaries.
asciilifeform: still have'em.
assbot: asciilifeform | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn0u7c )
mircea_popescu: "A recent publication by Kaspersky Lab (mirror) describes the first publicly-confirmed instance of a Microsoft Windows 'trojan' capable of infecting hard disk drive firmware. "
mircea_popescu: this is not the same thing is it ?
asciilifeform: aha, it was them.
asciilifeform: there was a flasher for 9 major vendors of hdd.
asciilifeform: (including ssd)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83310 @ 0.00074369 = 61.9568 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: if someone were to pay for it, yes, i could say what the payload is.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then, i got nothing.
mircea_popescu: that's pretty classy.
mircea_popescu: pay, as in how much ?
asciilifeform: of course it would appear less classy if one thinks about how they likely got the forced cooperation of the vendors
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as in six digits usd.
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: trying to make the call graph on trilema.com
mircea_popescu ponders whether the embarassment is worth that much. then remembers the value of "the public" is 0. obviously could use this to steal a lot of monyz, but meh.
asciilifeform: try some starving ru children first.
asciilifeform: they work for less.
mircea_popescu: that's ok.
assbot: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kn0Pqf )
asciilifeform: the annoying thing about disk controllers is that pretty much the whole thing is one gigantic pile of undocumented regs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform once we decide to go all north korea we use that to make mega-infector steal all the bases.
asciilifeform: one would have to either steal the datasheet somewhere, or empirically (!) reverse the thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: many other devices to infect, also. most heavy-lifting NICs are reflashable, have multi-core (!) cpu, etc.
asciilifeform: the best leverage naturally is to find usg's magic tendrils already there.
mircea_popescu: if teh server bs continues, we end up hosting on USG owned computers exclusively.
mircea_popescu: not like it'd be that hard either. distributed datastore.
VariaVarietatis: mircea_popescu: I got sort of an odd question asked you before but got side tracked why one wot for eulora and b-a and shouldn't a game have its own wot to allow eve online style play?
VariaVarietatis: ie stealing and such
VariaVarietatis: ;;google sean smith eve
gribble: Sean Smith (diplomat) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Smith_(diplomat)>; The Amazing Life of Sean Smith, the Masterful Eve Gamer Slain in ...: <http://kotaku.com/the-extraordinary-mischievous-too-short-life-of-sean-481060252>; A tribute to Sean 'Vile Rat' Smith - EVE Community: <http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73406>
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: aaand from the right in time ministry : the new refugees to Munich are petitioning to have Oktberfest cancled because it is offensive.
asciilifeform: berlinabad!
asciilifeform: al-paris.
asciilifeform: londonabad.
assbot: Pétition · City of Munich: Ban the Intolerant and Anti-Islamic event of Oktoberfest · Change.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxljC8 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88401 @ 0.00076277 = 67.4296 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: tr0l0l0l!
asciilifeform: protocols of the elders of syria ?
mircea_popescu: gotta hand it to the "immigrants" : they got a lot more going for them than zee germans do at this point.
asciilifeform: what will they have going when they've eaten the last german ?
pete_dushenski: a full belly
asciilifeform: for a spell.
asciilifeform: in updated version of the old fable, perhaps, the grasshopper devours the ant. and his stash. and then wonders what next.
pete_dushenski: grasshopper refugees
assbot: dpaste: 3Y84AZP ... ( http://bit.ly/1NxmGka )
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Noahthority and ” economists” - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/16/noahthority-and-economists/
mircea_popescu: anyone recall offhand what "OP_RETURN 9" is ?
gernika: mod6 so I've finally rebuilt my blkindex.dat after probably corrupting it last time I shutdown bitcoind. I need to shut it down again. Is there a way to safely shutdown bitcoind? Or at a minimum, back up the blkindex.dat of a running node?
mircea_popescu: no to the latter. and to the former, make it detatch the db.
punkman: mircea_popescu: OP_RETURN just adds arbitrary bytes to the transaction
mircea_popescu: punkman i know, i meant about it being =9 specifically.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82698 @ 0.00076114 = 62.9448 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: I don't think it's something
punkman: OP_RETURN is 9 characters though
mircea_popescu: oh damn, i'm seeing the bytecount
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25977 @ 0.00076638 = 19.9083 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00076509 = 21.4608 BTC [-]
punkman: "Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great."
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: zoolag now at 108.51.29.6.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62929 @ 0.00076623 = 48.2181 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54706 @ 0.00075764 = 41.4475 BTC [-]
gernika: grepping the source of stator I see no references to "detach." Seems like versions prior to .6 automatically detach on shutdown (from google results). Only relevant ba discussion I can find is here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-08-2015#1227642
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 13:33:13; mircea_popescu: btw, prolly best run it with -detachdb switched on
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61300 @ 0.00075039 = 45.9989 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1276154 << you REGULARLY fall asleep at the wheel ? yikes man. get thee a shorter commute, a later work start time, or yes, mega-amounts of caffeine. if you're traveling >20mph, that is.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 09:00:07; thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: honestly, how fucking smart and alert do you have to be to drive a car ? << I have always had sleep problems. As a kid would always fall asleep on car rides. And as an adult I seem to regularly fall asleep at the wheel and still get home. But this is super dangerous. I really need to just pull over and nap for a second or red bull it up like a trucker would do...
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: it's usually the traffic you sit in it long enough and you get tired.
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:11:59; asciilifeform: phun phact: virtually everything we publicly know re: how an intel cpu inits comes from the great ami bios source leaks
thestringpuller: ^^^ reminds me of the plot of S1 of HCF
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i've heard stories of atl's traffic shmozzle
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mircea_popescu: !up crescendo
mircea_popescu: gernika ah ok then. so shut it down should be ok.
mircea_popescu: in other news, ""Greetings for the day! Hope you are doing great! My name is Letha Lozano and I am a Website Consultant. I found your email account online and would like to discuss some business opportunities with you""
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mod6: gernika: did you get it figured out then?
gernika: ran bitcoind stop - the logs indicate that it ran through the shutdown procedure, but the process itself still runs
gernika: been about 30 min.
mod6: oh, give it a little while, it should exit once everything is flushed.
mod6: <+gernika> ran bitcoind stop << this method that i use
mircea_popescu: i dun recall it ever taking that long, but, as the man says. give it a bit.
mod6: i recently shutdown my fully sync'd openbsd node a week or two ago -- took quite a wait for it to finally exit. but i didn't keep close track of the time. could have easily been an hour though.
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deedbot-: [Qntra] Twitter Continues Flirtation With Politicians - http://qntra.net/2015/09/twitter-continues-flirtation-with-politicians/
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mircea_popescu: i really should set up a hotline for these chicks.
mircea_popescu: "are you 17 ? you got what it takes to stab your mom ? mp wants to hear from you BEFORE you manage to blow your wad on nothing worth the mention. come let's make beautiful music together."
gernika: re: zoolag: trying connection 108.51.29.6:8333 lastseen=-372897.0hrs lasttry=-400674.8hrs | connection timeout
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lobbes: lol, dafuq is a 'Website Consultant'
lobbes: some 13 yr old kid
assbot: Twitter Continues Flirtation With Politicians | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Knjr9B )
shinohai: Twitter sometimes makes me want to just go back to finger :/
lobbes: $deeznuts2016
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assbot: BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 1 day 19 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkQ9bU )
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punkman: "estimates that the software needed to run all of Google’s Internet services—from Google Search to Gmail to Google Maps—spans some 2 billion lines of code."
punkman: "all 2 billion lines sit in a single code repository available to all 25,000 Google engineers." << what and nobody has leaked them yet
mircea_popescu: join my petition for google to increase its google size.
mircea_popescu: if every person on earth wrote just 50 lines of code, which is a very small number of lines of code to write for the progress world etc,
mircea_popescu: then they would never fit
mircea_popescu: google needs to move now because otherwise it could stymy adoption in this early stage of the game
mircea_popescu: we must make a sub-derppit about it!
punkman: oic now "certain highly sensitive code—stuff akin to the Google’s PageRank search algorithm—resides in separate repositories only available to specific employees."
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deedbot-: [Trilema] Why should the Argentine population go graze already ? - http://trilema.com/2015/why-should-the-argentine-population-go-graze-already/
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up airgapped
trinque: shinohai: I ain't mad at it.
ascii_field: soooooo my isp firewalled off ~all~ incoming ports.
ascii_field: without warning.
shinohai: O.o o rly
shinohai: $whois ascii_field 's isp
ascii_field: verizon fiber
shinohai: Are they emulating at&t now ?
ascii_field: perhaps it is only my house
ascii_field: and no one else.
ascii_field: there was no official communication concerning this.
shinohai: i suppose this is why i found your node unreachable
ascii_field: shinohai: they also switched my ip (it happens 2-3x a year)
trinque: maybe you tripped some "anti-malware" thing they use to mitigate aids-spewing windows boxes
trinque: because you... actually use the service
shinohai: comcast used to do that, but i have business class nau
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ascii_field: prolly gonna get upsold into 'business'
ascii_field: 2x cost.
trinque: I was amazed to find I was not allowed to have an open port 25 on comcast residential.
ascii_field: i suspect that 8333 is considered a 'funny' port
ascii_field: but i will note that they cut off EVERYTHING
shinohai: panic mode
trinque: gosspid by packet radio
phf: i think main value of business account with us telco, they actually show you how short the leash is. instead of "unlimited everything!!1" you get an equivalent of 90s dialup, but you're free to use it at saturation levels
shinohai: I seem to be stuck on height 314526 for the moment.
mod6: are you getting strange errors in the log? or the node your -connect'd to is just done??
mod6: *down
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BingoBoingo: My stator (DB patched) is finally up to July 5th fork, sped up considerably since I had it -connect to local sync'd node (moved to this arrangement to open 8333)
mircea_popescu: trinque> I was amazed to find I was not allowed to have an open port 25 on comcast residential. <<< i'm amazed at the notion of a "not allowed" port in general.
ascii_field: 25 was a desperate spamcontrol measure in the late '90s
trinque: mircea_popescu: I briefly began explaining what a port is, then gave up.
shinohai: and just like that it starts back up
mod6: nice
trinque: mircea_popescu: also http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh and http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig << the configuration in the script currently dumps out a root.img which can be loaded into qemu
trinque: I can modify it for you if you'd like it to write to a block device; it requires changing a variable at the top and altering the lilo config
trinque: it may also be pointed at a stage3 which is no longer available. They delete the old ones rather rapidly.
trinque: in fact, let me run this sometime today, then I'll provide another link.
shinohai: I almost got that whittled down to a science with genkernel nau trinque
trinque: nice.
ascii_field: Rajesh(16:33:29): I found that your issue requires advance expertise to resolve. Unfortunately my expertise is limited to basic settings. However, we have a team called expert care and they will be able to help you resolve this issue. Please call them on 1-877-718-6716 and they work 24/7 , please note this a paid service.
ascii_field: (1-877-718-6716)
ascii_field: ^ gold.
ascii_field: ^ verizon co.
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trinque: shinohai: once you've booted, you can use "localyesconfig" to build the currently loaded modules set to "yes"
trinque: ^ one of the makefile targets of the kernel
trinque: ascii_field: paid!!!
mod6: <+ascii_field> ^ gold. << hahah
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> ^ verizon co. << Municipal fiber means knowing whose doorstep you could elect to take a shit on
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: nothing municipal about this one.
ascii_field: telco monopoly.
ascii_field: Rajesh(16:36:08): No, Mr. Datskovskiy, Verizon never block the incoming connections.
trinque: they closed your ports then expect you to pay to open them?
ascii_field: not even.
ascii_field: they claim 'nothing happened'
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Sure, but if your provider would have been municipal instead of VerizATTLink
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: if your grandmother had balls (tm)
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Common in Middle West and Mid South now for consumer Fiber provision to be the exclusive domain of municipal electric coop
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: this doesn't do me a lick of good.
ascii_field: over here, it's either these devils or $1000/mo
BingoBoingo: Well, not if you want to nest outside of Lizard central feeding grounds
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i am a serf and can go nowhere.
BingoBoingo: Serfdom in Ruralburbia has its perks over Capitalserfdom
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: nobody asked serf where he'd like to serf
ascii_field: that's the whole idea
ascii_field: of being a serf.
shinohai: trinque: did not know that abt localyesconfig thx
mircea_popescu: ascii_field keks, thgey want you to pay them to fix their network for them ?
BingoBoingo: Of course. Though sometimes serfs who run away are lucky to get captured into better serfdom instead of returned
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: no, they want me to pay to get hot air from some indian dude
ascii_field: nobody's gonna fix shit.
ascii_field: because OFFICIALLY nothing broke.
mircea_popescu braces for that sweet sweet time when alf's power goes out weekly and he STILL sticks around.
ascii_field: where am i supposed to go?
mircea_popescu: first you plan then you budget, not the other way around!
mircea_popescu: et tu, assbote!
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty mircea_popescu
lobbes: try going above indian's head?
ascii_field: lobbes: tried.
mircea_popescu: so they closed what, 8333 ?
ascii_field: ALL OF THEM
mircea_popescu: so how are oyu here ?!
ascii_field: i'm at $plant
ascii_field: but outgoing works
ascii_field: from my house.
ascii_field: only incoming does not.
ascii_field: and Officially there is no reason for it.
shinohai: Officially they filter ports and tell no one.
ascii_field: no quotas either
ascii_field: if they are trying to upsell me, doing a pretty poor job
phf: ascii_field: what does netcat with tcpdump say? do packets just get blackholed?
mircea_popescu: i thought they got a monopoly. how else would you do it ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: poor job in the sense that no promise of normal service for more $$
ascii_field: phf: aha
mircea_popescu: of course not ?
ascii_field: phf: black hole.
mircea_popescu: they gave you the place to spend $$$.
mircea_popescu: why'd they promise anything ?
ascii_field: no implication, even, of normal service for more $
ascii_field: 'nothing is broken'
mircea_popescu: call the strippers and stfu.
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ascii_field: by 'strippers' mircea_popescu meant, the t1 installers ?
shinohai: Does Verizon tether you to their routers/equipment ?
mircea_popescu: well the 1-877-718-6716 working 24/7 guise.
mircea_popescu: business means "here's what we do and here's how to pay".
ascii_field: shinohai: the only equipment of theirs i have is the optical terminal
mircea_popescu: monopoly however, is just "here's where to pay"
ascii_field: shinohai: i do not use their idiot modem or router
mircea_popescu: simpler bidnis.
shinohai: I still pay an extra $8 for cable modem rental fee, even tho I don't use it.
shinohai: Comcast has the evil all-in-ones that use your modem as a AP
mircea_popescu: move to romania. easily best internet service in all of the western world.
ascii_field: shinohai: comcast exists here, i am not even considering it as an option
shinohai: It is my on;y choice sadly in this area.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i would happily move to antarctica if i knew of some way to get food and net access there.
shinohai: total monopoly
jurov: mircea_popescu: try suggesting moving to shenzhen. 99% guaranteed to push alf's buttons
ascii_field: i'd even move to shenzhen
ascii_field: or shanghai
mircea_popescu: jurov im wating for him to run out of "if" riders.
ascii_field: pyongyang.
mircea_popescu: so go. dja want me to order you a plane ticket ?
ascii_field: i can afford plane ticket.
shinohai moves to Moldova
mircea_popescu: so then.
ascii_field: just not the nth month of rent.
mircea_popescu: forget the nth month.
mircea_popescu: julius caesar lived his entire life paycheck to paycheck.
ascii_field: i have no intention of voluntarily curtailing my research and defaulting on my wot obligations. they will have to come and put that bullet in my head.
mircea_popescu: i guess researching net providers counts as research.
ascii_field: my hovel came with not one but two sat dishes, one of them being a 2-way, believe or not. (russian fella used to live here)
ascii_field: perhaps i will have it activated.
mircea_popescu: o hey, apparently they figured out outgoing worked by reading teh logs :D
ascii_field: but nobody's running a useful node out of that.
ascii_field: all the support slave could do was cycle my pole box
mircea_popescu: go break into their trunk box, cut the connection to home, install your own firmware ?
ascii_field: why not headquarters ?
mircea_popescu: then again i suppose that's domestic terrorism, hm.
ascii_field: aha, know the english proverb,
mircea_popescu: "he struck the fear of god into the local telco monopoly, your honor" "oh shit. 20 life sentences!11"
ascii_field: 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'
phf: they got capone on tax evasion
mircea_popescu: phf capone was a dollop tho. stalin didn't get tito, tax evasion or no tax evasion.
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mircea_popescu: capone was derpy enough to not shoot the fbi head. which is why you hear about him.
mircea_popescu: the mexicans that weren't derpy, you don't hear about.
shinohai: What it looks like outside my hovel in winter: https://transfer.sh/XXuyp/dscf0067.jpg
shinohai: ^ comcast takes a week to come out when mine is down xD
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assbot: Fuck! I just send all my ether to a new contract instead of to my brain wallet. Is there any way to reclaim it? : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh49av )
ascii_field: 'Also, we have the Verizon In-Home Agent for Windows PC's that you can download at http://www.verizon.com/connect. Thank you for choosing Verizon and have a great day. '
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trinque: shinohai: "Only vbuterin himself can help me..." << bwahahaha
trinque: these people live to deliver action movie lines
shinohai: my sides
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ag3nt_zer0: whats up y;all
shinohai: sup ag3nt_zer0 que tal de bueno ?
ag3nt_zer0: ragin' about the behaviorist animal psychology takeover of educational system here
ag3nt_zer0: had meeting with principal today
ag3nt_zer0: he is very excited, almost giddy, about his assertion that the purpose of education is to raise "citizens"
ag3nt_zer0: shuld of seen the joy....
phf: i don't know anything about mafioso in america beyond disnified, "you gonna like this guy, he's all right, he's a good fella", so i would believe about capone. but then he was a brooklyn hood rad, where's tito was a man
ag3nt_zer0: totally hopeless
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mircea_popescu: phf capone was from chicago.
mircea_popescu: fat, histrionic type.
shinohai: Sam Gianacana, now *that's* an OG
mircea_popescu: i would propose this is an exceptionally apt comparison, incidentally. the relative economic might of chicago of the 30s as part of the us of the 30s is about where the economic might of the yugoslavia of the 50s as part of the eu+ru of the 50s stands ; the stalin-hoover equality is not particularly inept, on many scores (and the ones where it isn't, it advantages stalin)
ag3nt_zer0: the new stealth, and quite cheery, totalitarianism is in full flower and Goebells would be astonished that it is happening with centralized dictates but instead in full pom pom ra ra volunteerism
ag3nt_zer0: *not with centralized
mircea_popescu: it wasn't any fuckiung different in 1941.
ag3nt_zer0: have slaves always been this proud?
mircea_popescu: always pretended, anyway.
mircea_popescu: what do you suppose prevents man from cleaning out the trash from his car ?
mircea_popescu: the notion that "the situation is livable" and "he'll figure it out" and you know, the previous inhavitant was russian so there's satellite dishes.
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: hmmm, perhaps not, but I would argue the the new post psychedelic controls are much more insidious
ag3nt_zer0: and invisible
mircea_popescu: eh, they're always much more insidious for being the ones you saw.
mircea_popescu: the bullshit is unchanged for 5000 years, first hand observers report it is "exceptionally so and so". and all guns ever used in robberies are BIG
mircea_popescu: according to witnesses.
mircea_popescu: not that fucking many big guns available. all fucking guns are their standard size, being as they are industrial products.
phf: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty phf
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the gun that is pointed in one's face is always surprisingly big.
ascii_field: bigger yet when it goes off.
ascii_field: and comparing the equivalent of shooting yourself in the head to cleaning a car is disingenuous, at least.
phf: what i was trying to say re capone vs tito, is that capone was a hood rat, with the operational scope of village vs village, for him fbi involvement was perhaps the leviathan. where's tito was successful tactician and strategist in war and later a national leader. i suspect that allowed him to operate on the sufficiently high level to resist governmental intervention on equal terms
lobbes: the man with trash in his car doesn't stop to consider if his condition is 'livable' or not
assbot: Tool - Ænema [uncut version - hq - fullscreen] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh6GkU )
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phf: !up thestringpuller
ascii_field: if removing trash from car without also removing your own liver cost $200,000, not many people would have clean car.
thestringpuller: ag3nt_zer0: Reminds me of the lateralus video
shinohai: diggin that tool ag3nt_zer0
ascii_field: comparing the options available to capone or even tito, to the meagre existence of random schmuck, is also disingenuous.
thestringpuller: Third Eye is still my favorite song off that album tho.
thestringpuller: Either that or H.
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: goes alright I am able to work so that's good... but counting the days until next summer to go on 2 year fuck all backpacking trip into the unknown
ag3nt_zer0: maxed out
thestringpuller: I think Lateralus is a more philosophically compelling album, but Aenema is better received.
ag3nt_zer0: thestringpuller: yeah I believe they use the same artists for lots of stuff... for instance alex grey for their album artwork and others for the stop motion videos
thestringpuller: Adam Jones the guitarist used to work as an animator for stuff like Jurassic Park ( he actually has a credit in Jurassic Park since he worked on that prod before quitting to do Tool full time )
ag3nt_zer0: yeah I prefer lateralus as well but there are some great extended areas of aenima
ag3nt_zer0: they are apparantly getting close to release of a new one
thestringpuller: ag3nt_zer0: yea you get a better feel for aenema's records if you listen to the live album. forget what ti's called Salivial?
shinohai: I wish I still knew someone good at remixing. I like some songs but they are overproduced.
ag3nt_zer0: salival i think
thestringpuller: cause salivial has that "remix" of pushit which uses those mandela pads you hear a lot in lateralus
deedbot-: [Qntra] War on Engineering: Teen Arrested for Building Clock - http://qntra.net/2015/09/war-on-engineering-teen-arrested-for-building-clock/
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thestringpuller: 10,000 days didn't hit me the sameway.
thestringpuller: it's an extremely profound from a technical stand point, but it's not as philosophically compelling
thestringpuller: cool to see more tool fans
thestringpuller: one of the two bands I've seen in my life that made me straight up weep.
thestringpuller: like a bitch
phf: ascii_field: the way i see mp's point is that tito, capone and random schmuck all have same options. random schmuck is that way for never acting on those options. capone is a schmuck for only sometimes not acting on his options. etc.
ag3nt_zer0: for today's speculative waste: I think it would be great if this room had an educational manifest in the meatspace... sort of like an intellectual spartan boot camp
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trinque: ag3nt_zer0: do it; assemble the #b-a bookshelf
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jurov: ag3nt_zer0: was already discussed and mp put some proposal, but can't remember the keywords
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ag3nt_zer0: trinque: haha would The Real Astrology by John Frawley be allowed? or writings by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)
trinque: I take it back.
shinohai: Wasn't that mircea_popescu 's response to princeton's scam course?
ag3nt_zer0: hey dont judge a book by its cover
thestringpuller: shinohai: no it was to buterin's friends' C4 certification
shinohai: ah ok
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: btw... you make time for that 134 page gem yet
ag3nt_zer0: I am lusting to hear your dismissals
trinque: nah haven't read that yet; got buried under that book on CLOS and assorted meatspace work
shinohai: "Why would he contribute to your thing ? This nonsense is roughly equivalent to child playing with toy truck, telling some truckers "hey, if you see a problem with my toy truck, why don't you come and fix it!".
shinohai: ty thestringpuller had not read
jurov: "The backup must be protected against environmental risks such as fire, flood, and other acts of God."
thestringpuller: i didn't put that Buterin's crew is who runs C4. Seems like a scam for a piece of paper worth less than today's MIT degree.
thestringpuller: They only accept bitcoin, and I'm certain it goes straight into the waterfall.
jurov: danielpbarron might have a say about protection of backups from God's wrath?
kakobrekla: god will destroy your backups to test your faith
ag3nt_zer0: btw if anyone can prove the "assertions" in that book (crisis of the modern world - rene guenon) false, useless, or shitty in another way... I would love it because I read it as truth...
shinohai: lol wut kakobrekla
kakobrekla: is how it works dont ya know
ag3nt_zer0: and if there is another plzce that is as primed as this room to offer valuable critique I know not where it is to be found
kakobrekla: thats why all the bad stuff happens.
shinohai: ./dev/urandom/ is why bad stuff happens
jurov: "Digital signatures must use a ‘k’ value that is never repeated. This can be accomplished through the use of a deterministic random bit generator (DRBG) that is compliant with NIST SP 800-90A, or a deterministic scheme compatible with RFC 6979."
shinohai: like blockchain top kek
jurov: "In cases where keys or seeds are created without the use of software (e.g. dice, a deck of cards, or other non-digital source of entropy), the creation methodology should be validated to ensure determinism is not present (i.e. there are no weighted dice, each card in the deck is unique, etc.)."
shinohai: danielpbarron: y no np ?
thestringpuller: jurov: it's lunacy mixed with buzzwords.
shinohai: !up ascii_field
jurov: anyone knows how to check for nondeterministic dice? :D
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ag3nt_zer0: hang in there till the 5 minute mark and holy cow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7w_Ut12fY
assbot: Nine Inch Nails - All Time Low (VEVO Presents) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhbiYq )
punkman: jurov: anyone knows how to check for nondeterministic dice? :D << seems like noone has figured it out yet http://trilema.com/2014/so-heres-a-problem-for-you/
assbot: So here's a problem for you... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhbRBn )
ag3nt_zer0: I wholeheartily recommend the entire production, but if strapped for time, to me the other outstanding example of this tech is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3sp6Hwp3nk
assbot: Nine Inch Nails - Disappointed (VEVO Presents) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhbU01 )
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and comparing the equivalent of shooting yourself in the head to cleaning a car is disingenuous, at least. << it is. meanwhile it't can't possibly be ingenious, because what goes on in man's mind is incomprehensible. be it bullet or whatever else.
assbot: Generating uniformly random data from skewed input: biased coins, loaded dice, skew correction, and the Von Neumann extractor | Code crumbs, by Clément Pit–Claudel ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fhc87v )
mircea_popescu: phf tito was, like stalin was, originally, a hood rat.
mircea_popescu: everyone's born a shit eating, shit for brains, worm.
mircea_popescu: because that's what always crawls out of woman : a barely aggregated pile of shit.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, got a meeting now, will be back later we can drink this issue under the table.
kakobrekla: !s C201
assbot: 0 results for 'C201' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=C201
phf: ag3nt_zer0: i couldn't get past his west vs. east chapter, or slightly after. his understanding of eastern tradition is dodgy (i see same issue with evola by the way), since he exists in the time after theosophists's liberal translations of sacred texts, but before people like mircea eliade or theos bernard had a chance to verify with the locals whether or the understanding was correct. (and long before easterners themselves started making
phf: scholarly rather then popular translations).
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ag3nt_zer0: phf: interesting. becauseas I understand it guenon used to travel in the theosophist circles in france until he rejected them in favor of a more rigorous "traditionalism" - he even wrote a book about it - Theosophy: history of a pseudo religion - I think it was called... so i guess it could be asserted that he was still "unconsciously" operating under some of their errors but 1) it seems odd to think that a person with an
ag3nt_zer0: own unconsciousness… no?
ag3nt_zer0: and 2) what would be the correct understanding that contradicts his greater metaphysical points about ultimate reality and what constitutes an authentic revealed tradition or not... what do you mean by the locals? and would not Ananda Coomaraswamy, geunons contemporary and equal in many ways but with a mind turned toward the art of the east and west be a counter to that?
ag3nt_zer0: phf: thanks for checking out out btw
ag3nt_zer0: it out jeez
phf: ag3nt_zer0: theosophy does completely fanciful free interpretation based on amateur translations by various aristocrats gone native. any sane person will look at it and go "wtf" upon closer inspection, but you're still left with amateur translations. not to mention that you need representatives of traditions to interpret those esoteric texts (what i mean by locals)
phf: guenon's revelations are entirely his own, inspired perhaps by close reading of some of the available eastern sacred texts
trinque: closest I ever came to reading any "theosophy" was Jiddu Krishnamurti
trinque: and looking back I couldn't tell you wtf he was trying to say
trinque: something vaguely approaching the limitations around what can and cannot be said about being
trinque: and one's probably much better off reading Wittgenstein or Heidegger
ag3nt_zer0: yeah krishnamurti is worthless
ag3nt_zer0: let me be clear. as is probably all theosophy...
trinque: hipster antimessiah
lobbes: !up ascii_field
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phf: theosophy did one good thing, their "members" would do early translations of various sacred texts, and they would make those translations available through their lodges
phf: the translations are universally bad, but gave westerners first glimpses of "eastern thought"
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yes. one is better off reading wittgestein or heidegger over the theosophical trash... but imo guenon, schuon, coomaraswami (ananda) and evola are infinitely better to read than those philosophers you mentioned - and they are not at all aligned with theosophy - except for guenons youthful foray into it as mentioned
phf: as far as ultimate knowledge, different schools have contradictory answers to some of those fundamental questions (say samkhya vs advaita vedanta's take on self vs absolute)
phf: the assumption that there's any kind of unity to eastern sacred thought is by the way theosophical in nature, where's you have a bajilion of lineages all with their own takes on what's true
deedbot-: [Qntra] Pascal Reid Pleads Guilty: Promises to Service USG Law Enforcement - http://qntra.net/2015/09/pascal-reid-pleads-guilty-promises-to-service-usg-law-enforcement/
phf: another point i'll make before checking in for the night, is that eastern mystical tradition is experiential, a lot of ideas of the nature of ultimate reality and such are not even worth contemplating until you go through whatever the lineage prescribes, meditation, purification practices, breathing exercises, physical exercises, that are supposed to bring you towards understanding of ultimate reality. talking about it or presenting second
phf: hand revelations as some sort of ultimate truth completely contradicts the original intent.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: Pascal Reid Pleads Guilty Promising to Service USG "Law Enforcement" – Full Draft Plea Text : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fhjec2 )
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ag3nt_zer0: phf: are you just referring to that east vs. west chapter? I ask because though he explores eastern esoterism he was actually a practicing sufi
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assbot: Bitcoin Trader Agrees to Work For Police In Plea Agreement - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FhkTyi )
ag3nt_zer0: no offense but I actually think one would have to explore him a bit more than less than a chapter to really offer up a viable criticism... but maybe that's just because I don't know what you have read and so do not know by what criteria you judge something as true or not true (some people hear voices, others echoes of dead philosophers)... at any rate thanks for taking the time to look and for sharing your thoughts at all
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BingoBoingo: How goes the alfernet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00076425 = 10.241 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: same as before.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00076425 = 5.1205 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: veeeeeery interesting outage.
asciilifeform: over, for the time being. zoolag @ 173.73.235.152:8333.
asciilifeform: until next time.
BingoBoingo: 'Murican problems: "The easiest way to handle an obese funeral is to refer the family to your competitor, but that rarely works, especially if you picked up the body strapped to two hospital mattresses, (oh – the pain!)" http://www.oversizecasket.com/funeralprofessional.html
BingoBoingo: re: circus folk
mircea_popescu feels compelled to point out re phf's worthy evaluation of topic that a significant part of eliade's said evaluation was drilling a local dude's daughter.
mircea_popescu: (i also do not hold the view that indians EVER made scholarly anything. nor do i believe people like bharara or the raj schmuck recently mentioned are part of the western tradition, in spite of doing a passible job of masquerading it. the DA's office with bharara in it simple ceased to be much akin to the US DA and more like a fetid indian "institution", just like state with rice was more like state hence than like sta
mircea_popescu: te ever was before. ie, incompetent, superficial, a sort of "cosmo does state dept".)
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mircea_popescu: <phf> the translations are universally bad, but gave westerners first glimpses of "eastern thought" << and by westerners we mean, of course, americans.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00076433 = 16.7388 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: <phf> talking about it or presenting second hand revelations as some sort of ultimate truth completely contradicts the original intent. <<< it is altogether dubious any original intent even exists, or that "intent" as a category is at all adequate to discuss the matter. perhaps a decent approach towards what "existential" sanely means in the context is provided by the "causes not purposes" dichotomy. there is no inten
mircea_popescu: t, as such, nor any "progress" in the sense of "levelling up to krishna" and supersizing your karma serving.
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mircea_popescu: "satisfied that he understands all the conditions and obligations contained herein, that he is entering into this agreement freely and voluntarily with full knowledge of its contents, that no additional promises have been made regarding his sentence, or potential sentences, and further, that he has read this entire agreement."
mircea_popescu: satisfied that the car is in working condition and also that it has an engine at all!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol it got fixed ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently!
asciilifeform: or phixed.
mircea_popescu: "the other residents of the drab soviet prefab block of flats always envied ivan ivanovich, for this inept pretense of normalcy that he found himself on the receiving end of, even if in all fairness it was not really his fault."
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 00:43:00; BingoBoingo: 'Murican problems: "The easiest way to handle an obese funeral is to refer the family to your competitor, but that rarely works, especially if you picked up the body strapped to two hospital mattresses, (oh – the pain!)" http://www.oversizecasket.com/funeralprofessional.html
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 03:19:21; asciilifeform: main danger, as i understand, is that their combustion will: create a visible plume of smoke. or, the ultimate catastrophe, 'auschwitzy' smell.
asciilifeform: (this is ~the~ subject in the technical literature concerning cremation, in usa.)
asciilifeform: i shit thee not
mircea_popescu: it would be, neh ?
mircea_popescu: "a unique celebration of life with honor and dignity. "
mircea_popescu: for fucks sake. funerals should not be fucking celebrations of life. what the fuck do they do at weddings, mourn over the dead ?
asciilifeform: funeral is the only remaining major party among some of these people.
mircea_popescu: so annyoing, these children of mae pollitt.
asciilifeform: (they don't marry, they don't x, or y, or z, but everybody dies)
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mircea_popescu: good people come from eve and bad people spawned off lillith, but americans all crawled out from between the thighs of one mae pollitt!
mircea_popescu: check me out, i'm poetic!
asciilifeform: !s mae pollitt
assbot: 0 results for 'mae pollitt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mae+pollitt
mircea_popescu: wife of "big daddy wanted me to become a lawyer, I became a lawyer. he said get married, I got married. he said have kids and i had kids and now he can't stand them. so he never loved me. fine! but I appeal to your common decency! gimme some money!"
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 23:06:12; shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/2ymj2wJ.png <<< allah snackbar!
deedbot-: [Qntra] BitPay Claims Hack Amounting to 5000 Bitcoins - http://qntra.net/2015/09/bitpay-claims-hack-amounting-to-5000-bitcoins/
mircea_popescu: holy shit. AGAIN !?
asciilifeform: 'Bitpay tried to get its insurer to cover $950,000 of the loss, but in June the insurer declined to pay. Bitpay is now suing the insurer.' << gold
asciilifeform: now insurance fraud as well.
mircea_popescu: this is not fraud, it's a commercial dispute.
assbot: CNN captures glorious split-screen moment between Donald Trump and Rand Paul - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1iio1zt )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ianal, but if they 'lost' the money and ~planned~ to milk the insurer, it is fraud
asciilifeform: "He said, ‘It looks like a movie bomb to me.’”
mircea_popescu: well obviously misrepresentation in commercial matter is the substance of fraud, but so far, not there
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 01:24:38; mircea_popescu: the people in life are people from movies,
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:25:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1277080 << what is this
assbot: War on Engineering: Teen Arrested for Building Clock | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fh7xSF )
asciilifeform: re: the 'clock bomb'
asciilifeform: it is in the völkischer beobachter now
assbot: A clock is not a bomb. Ahmed’s arrest and why we can’t have nice things. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1Krb3dB )
kakobrekla: “They were like, ‘So you tried to make a bomb?’” Ahmed said.
kakobrekla: “I told them no, I was trying to make a clock.”
kakobrekla: “He said, ‘It looks like a movie bomb to me.’”
kakobrekla: ahahaha
kakobrekla: if it looks like a move bomb it must be real!
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mircea_popescu: buncha fucken idiots.
mircea_popescu: pity kids don't talk back more, you know ? "and you look like a movie idiot to me. where's that leave us."
mircea_popescu: then they wonder why no girls throwing panties. well... this would be it eh.
assbot: dpaste: 1J3AHVW ... ( http://bit.ly/1iioT77 )
mircea_popescu: aok then.
BingoBoingo: I am ingnoratish in some matters. Also drinking anxiety vodka hoping my horse Rand can get the seven minutes.
mircea_popescu: is that tonite ?
asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPCYHKzVAAAJG6w.jpg:large << close-up photograph. if i could bet on this, i would bet a few coin that he ~busted open an ordinary alarm clock~ to make this
asciilifeform: as in, not even soldered anything.
asciilifeform: MIT-worthy!!
asciilifeform: notice the object in the lower half of the attache. it is a mains transformer. plug still attached.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is that tonite ? Yeah but I dun have cable, refuse adobeFlasherast, and can't torrent a livestream so must wait.
mircea_popescu: "It is not uncommon for the family to buy two or even three grave plots for burial."
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: in the left side of the hinge, there is a 9v battery connector, hanging loose.
asciilifeform: he broke apart a perfectly good clock.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing wrong with kid breaking up the shit in the house to make a shitty lesser something
mircea_popescu: up until the age of about 13 or so anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not per se. but this is being pushed as 'scholar'
asciilifeform: 'engineering'
mircea_popescu: well the usians are retarded.
asciilifeform: mr o: 'hey kid, nice clock, bring it to white house!'
asciilifeform: i shit thee not, official communique
mircea_popescu: 13 yo performance, in the united states of america and the republic of congo, counts as scholarly engineering.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is this observation qntra-worthy?
asciilifeform: eh, why even bother.
mircea_popescu: can always make a comment
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: is this observation qntra-worthy? << If you want to write it up or just drop it as a comment I have no reason to deny you that.
mircea_popescu: Kampfblatt der nationalsozialistischen Bewegung Großdeutschlands!!!
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: kampf BLATT! fucking perfect.
mircea_popescu: blat, in romanian, is the bread of a cake.
asciilifeform: in ru something quite else
mircea_popescu: so, "the warlike dough" so to speak
asciilifeform: does not actually translate to english
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: posted.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Approved
asciilifeform: this does not cancel the idiocy of the whole thing, imho only enhances it
BingoBoingo: Seriously
assbot: 501 Not Implemented ... ( http://bit.ly/1iiql9z )
mircea_popescu: fucking master race check that out.
assbot: War on Engineering: Teen Arrested for Building Clock | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1iiqlX8 )
mircea_popescu: i bet they didn't even need glasses aged 12.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the advent of crt ruined eyes
asciilifeform: everybody's mother, turns out, was right.
mircea_popescu: must be.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: l0l
asciilifeform: fwiw, my brother, who did not see a computer until adulthood, has perfect vision.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: the advent of crt ruined eyes << First summer after high school when exposed to computer monitors daily for extended periods of time first... Eyesight measurably worsened, kept myself to panel display only as much as I can after that
mircea_popescu: i have perfect vision, in spite of being on computers since about age 9. nevertheless, that distance is still uncomfortable for the purpose.
asciilifeform: different folks can take different amount of abuse before permanent mutilation, sure.
BingoBoingo: Up until that summer I used to be able to get all but the last line on the snell chart without effort. Last line could get about 75% nao cursed with 20/20 ish vision
mircea_popescu: 20/20 is not perfect ? merely normal ?
asciilifeform: it is sorta analogous to '100 iq'
asciilifeform: 'you will receive the standard substandard education!' -- 'tron'
mircea_popescu: this mention of the snellen chart finally jarred my understanding of the very widespread misconception that closing eye improves aim accuracy
mircea_popescu: THE DOCTOR MAKES YOU CLOSE ONE EYE
mircea_popescu: this, of course, because he is diagnosing one item at a time
mircea_popescu: but "the intuition" thus formed is that you see better
asciilifeform: of course, if you have a monstrously uneven nearsightedness, you ~do~ see better
asciilifeform: but somehow i don't think this applies to most folks afflicted with 'one-eyed' aim
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13449 @ 0.00076106 = 10.2355 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but somehow i don't think this applies to most folks afflicted with 'one-eyed' aim << The reason for closing one eye is reaction speed and avoiding "noise" that emerges in binocular vision when eyes are disparate in their image quality.
asciilifeform: ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=1 out of range
asciilifeform: ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=2 out of range
asciilifeform: ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=3 out of range
asciilifeform: ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=4 out of range
asciilifeform: ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=5 out of range
asciilifeform: ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=6 out of range
asciilifeform: ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=7 out of range
asciilifeform: ERROR: SignatureHash() : nOut=8 out of range........
asciilifeform: repeated 10,001 times
asciilifeform: for fuck's sake.
asciilifeform: i suppose this is the opposite magnetic pole from chicks throwing panties at you
BingoBoingo: Probably.
asciilifeform: is that thing actually relayed by somebody, or cooked special-order for my box, i wonder.
BingoBoingo: it wasn't my node, though it is peering with zoolag instead of Dulap nao
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 374868 | Current Difficulty: 5.695764845501001E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 374975 | Next Difficulty In: 107 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 5 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: zoolag is my only remaining operating node.
asciilifeform: (not counting incitatus, which is a thousand blocks behind)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37081 @ 0.00075532 = 28.008 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Depending on how this bet goes I may get planned node Quantrill running sometime next month.
asciilifeform: at one point i had a thought: that one might win from logging monstrous tx-en
BingoBoingo: Just waiting to see if Apel refreshes the Mac Mini to drop used prices some more
asciilifeform: a good chunk of these is, likely, attempts at massage
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why on earth would you buy crapple unless intending to run their bizarre os
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: machine of equivalent horsepower and physical dimensions costs around a benjie, brand-new.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: machine of equivalent horsepower and physical dimensions costs around a benjie, brand-new. << Not of identical appearance though. Still looking at that model specific colo niche
mircea_popescu: apparently they DIDNT actually pay off all the 10-50mn they owed people for their most recent fraudulent move.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! they're still alive ??!!!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why does it need to have identical appearance?
mircea_popescu: the land of fictitious persons is mostly notable in a dire absence of death.
asciilifeform: now this is a certainty.
asciilifeform: they die, but quietly mummify in the cold vacuum.
mircea_popescu: not even always quietly.
asciilifeform: i do confess, i expected them to get away with it
asciilifeform: cleanly
asciilifeform: (that is, that 'crime pays' for so long as it involves moving btc to usg coffers and not otherwise)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: why does it need to have identical appearance? << Apparently Mac Mini in particular is a colocation niche
asciilifeform: ah now i vaguely recall this.
asciilifeform: (old thread)
mircea_popescu: it's more complicated than that. a very complex balancing act of multiple separate agencies and the overriding consideration of "is the image hit worth it" all evaluated through multiple layers.
mircea_popescu: it's a full time job. of the nature and substance of learning to secure windows installations.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: https://macstadium.com/ and other cheaper options, leader at this point because apparently have "DDoS mitigation"
assbot: MacStadium - Dedicated Mac Mini Hosting, Colocation, and Cloud Solutions ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE6ajV )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'ddos mitigation' is virtually guaranteed not to help you. likely - the opposite.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> apparently they DIDNT actually pay off all the 10-50mn they owed people for their most recent fraudulent move. << care to qntra it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4619 @ 0.00075138 = 3.4706 BTC [-]
assbot: So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: 'ddos mitigation' is virtually guaranteed not to help you. likely - the opposite. << ANd then move to one of the ten or so other providers
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ << there is a trilema << But the trilema is not their failure to pay
assbot: So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )
assbot: cryptonaut420 comments on Did the bitcoin xt died? ... ( http://bit.ly/1iisORD )
mircea_popescu: fucking epic.
mircea_popescu: "Gavin and mike are busy travelling again this month https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoin-xt/l0PA7UBuH9s
assbot: Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1iisP7Z )
mircea_popescu: The rest of us are busy working, and also a lot of people starting school and stuff so this is a slow period in general."
mircea_popescu: i think the bitcoin xt might have did the died.
mircea_popescu: but the shit artists are, of course, "traveling".
mircea_popescu: which is why they call them "traveling people" historically, or "conference scum" more recently.
asciilifeform: 'Jeszcze ' Bitcoin XT ' nie zginęła, / Kiedy my żyjemy. / Co nam obca przemoc wzięła, / Szablą odbierzemy.' (tm) (r) (pl)
mircea_popescu: "We have plenty of time to see how this debate plays out. There is overwhelming support from the community, the merchant ecosystem and miners for a blocksize increase. If Core fails to sort out its governance issues, then by the time this problem really comes to the fore, XT will be the only solution implemented and readily available,"
mircea_popescu: i bet the author is this stupid fat kid that's "a feminist" and also "really supports" womenz.
mircea_popescu: and you know, once they get their bad boy issues sorted, he'll be the only one ready, lubed up and with a (6 inch!) erection going!
mircea_popescu: see alf, they never die. they just keep derping
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i bet the author is this stupid fat kid that's "a feminist" and also "really supports" womenz. << You forget the FUDA: Fat Usurped Dick Area... Basically when the pubic fat is too much for the dick to be externally visible
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: l0l!
mircea_popescu: this happens doesn't it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is there a magic point, one wonders
asciilifeform: where it... envaginates
BingoBoingo: It happens
mircea_popescu: so basically dudes get so fucking fat there's an ad hoc slit created around their cock
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lemme dig for a medical photograph
mircea_popescu: which doesn't have any of the antibacterial and drainage benefits of the female version
mircea_popescu: good god
asciilifeform: if only p. t. barnum lived today !
mircea_popescu: this conversation just blew my mind
assbot: Last 13 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EQ6YR7.txt )
mircea_popescu: dude no wonder they're misrepresenting themselves as "gay" and "transsexual" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: if you're sufficiently stupid and fat, that really becomes your gender.
mircea_popescu: there's male, female and stupidfat.
BingoBoingo: first lol reddit
assbot: VPATCH_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )
asciilifeform: i suspect that ~this~ magical apogee is not reached until you get to 'too big for the crematorium' max level.
asciilifeform: mod6: this is perfect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a product. 50% stupid 50% fat is more stupidfat than 150% fat 5% stupid.
mod6: put the leafs to the same rank, and added the source file names to the arrows. some of the arrow heads come together, so just zoom in and hover over the line if need be.
mod6: thanks asciilifeform
asciilifeform: finally, 'v' is useful !
mircea_popescu: ok that's pretty awersome mod6
asciilifeform: works ~exactly~ as i envisioned
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:23:59; mircea_popescu: good people come from eve and bad people spawned off lillith, but americans all crawled out from between the thighs of one mae pollitt!
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:42:58; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's nothing wrong with kid breaking up the shit in the house to make a shitty lesser something
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 00:12:27; asciilifeform: a versioning system that is merely a few kb of script
asciilifeform: mod6: ~and~ this displays without horizontal scrolling on all of my displays.
asciilifeform: mega-win.
mircea_popescu: !rated mod6
assbot: You rated user mod6 on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: The cave, age, tace school of thought. Nice work with the Bitcoin Foundation..
mircea_popescu: yeah. mod6 for president.
assbot: 34d8cf0a66dd51181d6adc61282ae6f6 - SLiMGUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE7uTW )
mod6: thanks mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: ALso fastest qntra climb on reddit so far https://archive.is/tZNTs
assbot: BitPay Claims Hack Amounting to 5000 Bitcoins : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NE7zqW )
asciilifeform: all that remains is to bolt a patch-eater onto it and then the classical turdatron can enjoy a quiet retirement
mircea_popescu: dude no fucking way
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i suspect that ~this~ magical apogee is not reached until you get to 'too big for the crematorium' max level. << Apparently not even that big
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that poor schmuck can't even seppuku without grazing his cock
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seriously
asciilifeform: (and would he have to use a full katana, instead of the usual wakizashi ?)
BingoBoingo: May actually have to use one of those hydraulic log splitters
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
asciilifeform: mod6: possible idea for future graph: colour the patches officially blessed by mod6+ben_vulpes green
asciilifeform: ('release')
mod6: solid idea, Sir.
mod6: easy enough to add that logic in
mod6: (famous last words)
mircea_popescu: mod6 no, do this : use the color bits!
asciilifeform: alternatively, chessboard-alternate colour of patches included in releases; ones not included, remain white
mircea_popescu: there are what, 24 bits of color ? take the 24 signatories most highly ranked by mike and set or unset bytes accordingly.
mircea_popescu: can this be done ?
mod6: oh huh!
mod6: im sure something can be done there.
mod6: :]
asciilifeform: set the text to be negated 24 bits of this, to remain readable
asciilifeform: this would make it a little hard to indicate actually-released-vs-not, though, no ?
mircea_popescu: well because of the nature of the svg, you actually get very predictablew coloring
mircea_popescu: because you can add your own postprocessing to null out some bytes.
mircea_popescu: some bits*
mircea_popescu: ie your green if foundation signed can be interpreted from it if one so wishes in one linbe
asciilifeform: iirc it takes standard vga 24-bit colour for text and background
asciilifeform pulls svg spec down from shelf, blows off eons of dust
assbot: Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iiuLNU )
mircea_popescu: mod6 ya, RGB: rgb(255,0,128) (0 .. 255, 0 .. 255, 0 .. 255) << so basically its 01010101 10101010 01010101
assbot: Email from CFTC asking about BitFinex trading activities : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1iiuR80 )
mircea_popescu: this would indicate that of the collection of people who signed, the 2nd 4th 6th 8th 9th 11th 13th etc signed it
asciilifeform: woah the arrow mouseovers work !!
mircea_popescu: i wanna send this guy a cookie or something i like him so much
mod6: awe :]
mod6: yup, now you have descendants
asciilifeform: i officially take back the thing i said re: things not getting done until i do them ...!
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mod6: that part of the code is gnarly. gotta re-work a bunch of this.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i take it that the idea of making V the epicenter of bitcoin releases going further is aprpoved by the foundation ?
mircea_popescu will send 1 btc to the foundation donation nao, because srsly.
mod6: it is by me anyway!
mod6: Thank you, Sir!
BingoBoingo humbly requests a knowledgeable party write a qntra on the recent v-gasm
asciilifeform: btw this is the picture i needed to finally say clearly how 'v' ~was meant to work~
mod6: 'V' is beautiful in its simplicity.
asciilifeform: a 'press' of, e.g., bleeding-edge would take asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch and asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch as the 'head' arguments.
asciilifeform: right now it takes asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch - but this is misleading, because it does not in fact depend on asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33353 @ 0.00076419 = 25.488 BTC [+] {5}
mod6: that's one of the next things i have to tackle, aside from the cleanup of some stuff: press
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00076592 = 27.2668 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: other thing worth noting is how it would behave with multiple root ('genesis') nodes
asciilifeform: this will happen, for example, when we finally... add a file
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2015#1277129 << i can't read 'ivanovich' without thinking of anna karenina, but there was no ivan there iirc. where's this from, mircea_popescu ?
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:19:09; mircea_popescu: "the other residents of the drab soviet prefab block of flats always envied ivan ivanovich, for this inept pretense of normalcy that he found himself on the receiving end of, even if in all fairness it was not really his fault."
pete_dushenski: not that anna karenina lived in a time of soviet flats...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, how is 'qntra' meant to be spoken? i will confess that to me it is 'kvantra', rhyming with 'mantra'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mentally I pronounce it Cunt-Raw
asciilifeform: l0l neat
BingoBoingo: But mantra is fine too
pete_dushenski: i read 'quant-tra'
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Or numeric posts are small, quant is prolly inaccurate at this time, but you know how to fix that...
pete_dushenski: indeed :)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: another conundrum that bedevils me, what is the 'correct' way to open the -92 !?
asciilifeform: i feel like i'm mangling it every time i pull that lid off.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I just rip the lid off and stopped doing that when I cracked the lid
asciilifeform: hm, discovered that grasping the thing from both sides on top and mildly flexing towards the center makes it pop cleanly off.
asciilifeform: this was suggested by the three finger-shaped ridges on each side.
asciilifeform: was this thing built for martians or what.
asciilifeform: i had to use my brain, this is obscene
BingoBoingo: But everything else, intuitive
asciilifeform celebrates mod6's achievement, with a tin of sprats
BingoBoingo has tiny wheel of cheddar set out to achieve room temperature last night ready for a celebration. Fuck it V... will wait to see officialish clock on Rand time
mod6: asciilifeform: :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00076493 = 20.7296 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 01:42:46; asciilifeform: he broke apart a perfectly good clock.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 20:54:27; mircea_popescu: go break into their trunk box, cut the connection to home, install your own firmware ?
pete_dushenski: @RealIndyTails24 51m51 minutes ago: @JebBush Sorry George did 9/11 << lulzy reply
pete_dushenski: "t the intracellular level, discoveries now reveal the existence of 'mitochondrial synapses' establishing mitochondrial networks, with defined chromatin-modifying mitochondrial output signals capable of orchestrating gene expression across the genome. These discoveries raise the possibility that in addition to their role as powerhouses and neuromodulators, mitochondria behave as intracellular signal-processing n
pete_dushenski: etworks."
pete_dushenski: so much for the second-grade-level 'mitochondria as the cell's powerplant' theory
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: mitochondria are alien in every sense
pete_dushenski: aha. other life form internalised.
pete_dushenski: symbiotised.
pete_dushenski: permanently
asciilifeform: https://github.com/Maratyszcza/PeachPy << l0l! python aficionados reinvent borland macroassembler !!
assbot: Maratyszcza/PeachPy · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrizW4 )
BingoBoingo: Well most mitochondria are capable of being culutred on their own in the manner of bacteria (what anyone seriously though 'mitochondiral dna' test were for any reason other chan cheaper?)
assbot: Re: "Well, I want to switch over to replace EMACS LISP with Guile." - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrizFw )
BingoBoingo: lol asciilifeform
asciilifeform: Each and every time someone in the Computer Science field has a Bright Idea, the world had better be prepared to adapt, because Here Comes Genius and everything everybody has done needs to be done differently from now on, because This Genius Knows Best. Gratuitous re-invention is very appealing to some people. It means that they do not have to cope with anybody else's ideas. They may hope to garner support behind them, but th
asciilifeform: ey sure are not going to be behind anybody else.'
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2015 02:29:29; mircea_popescu: if you're sufficiently stupid and fat, that really becomes your gender.
asciilifeform: but is it actually necessary to be fat for this ?
asciilifeform: or merely stupid.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00076516 = 18.5551 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: to be androgenous instead of a man ?
asciilifeform: to have 'stupid' as your gender.
BingoBoingo: Prolly combinations.
BingoBoingo: Stupid is prolly more somewhere along the lines of preference. Stupidly obeast though has physiolocical characteristics which necessitate identifying as fat-gendered among the afflicted
BingoBoingo: Summary of reddit in lolvotes https://archive.is/bGaWl
assbot: StubNuts comments on BitPay Claims Hack Amounting to 5000 Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1KihBrx )
BingoBoingo: Reddit is mostly downvotes, it must take admin intervention for anything to appear upvoted prolly
asciilifeform: anybody here an ml aficionado ?
BingoBoingo: Great human moment for Jeb on marijuana. And he invoked America's most popular Bush. Mama! #NBC2016 #CNNDebate
BingoBoingo: — Chuck Todd (@chucktodd) September 17, 2015
BingoBoingo: Sorry Mom
BingoBoingo: — Jeb Bush (@JebBush) September 17, 2015
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ml is a programming language
asciilifeform: the original ultra-strong-typed lang
BingoBoingo: Too many of those.
asciilifeform: (not counting ada)
BingoBoingo: THrow them all in the fire see which ones aren't too charred
asciilifeform: this one's been roasting for a long time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All in the same fire, add more coal.
BingoBoingo: Same as dealing with SSD disposal
pete_dushenski: easier if you have ssd by xerox
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anything with silicon can burn to unreadable
pete_dushenski: or explode
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> Each and every time someone in the Computer Science field has a Bright Idea, the world had better be prepared to adapt, because Here Comes Genius and everything everybody has done needs to be done differently from now on, because This Genius Knows Best. Gratuitous re-invention is very appealing to some people. << cstropes done by naggum. now that'd be a sight.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or merely stupid. <<< it's a product. best results (area) for equal sides. but astounding performance can be obtained even with only one of the two
BingoBoingo now looking for concordant counts of tonight's speaking times
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: 'What do we do when we encounter double integrals? First, we cry. When we are done crying, we solve.'
asciilifeform: who said this ?
mircea_popescu: heh. srsly, what's the big deal ?
mircea_popescu: triple are worse then ?
asciilifeform: (found on www, unattributed. but this was brin the elder! he utters this a few weeks into the class.)
mircea_popescu: n-sum over sums ? worse still ?
asciilifeform: this was spoken to n00bz.
mircea_popescu: he did intro classes too ?
mircea_popescu: no wonder he looks like he sucked down a pickle through a garden hose.
asciilifeform: hey they had him teach remedial math when he was fresh off the boat
asciilifeform: to footballists.
assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrjJ3C )
asciilifeform: only then promoted to people
mircea_popescu: there's maybe 100 or so of them so far.
mircea_popescu: spontaneous tearcombustion 5 years later sorta deal
assbot: Second Republican debate: Candidates pick women to be on $10 bill - POLITICO ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrjK7X )
mircea_popescu: THAT is a debate ?
mircea_popescu: there's really nobody left that both can read and watches daytime tv, is there.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Tis a question, because beople are bopple are coters
BingoBoingo: No there isn't
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