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phf: pkgsrc is another option, besides ebuild. they have some equivalent of use flags. i used it to run a unix stack on mac os x (fvwm, firefox, x11 emacs, etc.)
phf: a low hanging fruit that still satisfies ascii's requirements of 50000 package dependencies would be to build a linux substrate with a sane .config and userspace, which has all the necessary components to host pkgsrc
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assbot: N. Korea says ready to respond to US hostility 'with nuclear weapons anytime' — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y6G7W4 )
cazalla: ya gonna have to get in the wot Vexual, no longer am i doing this pm and !up business
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 03:41:50; trinque: anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment
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shinohai: ;;gettrust Vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
shinohai: Visual representation of how XT works?
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assbot: Data Diodes and ICS Security in the Real World ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAyuDO )
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punkman: Reporter: I feel like I ruin the IT guy's day every time I have to ask for something. Editor: No, all his days are like that.
shinohai: niiiiiiiiiiice
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i ended it.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: So the people in #bitcoin-xt have <<< i'm like wtf, srsly ? /join #bitcoin-xt turns out there's one other guy there and williamdunne made the chan. lol. mkay.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273847 << cuz at the time it wasn't exactly clear how this'd work (as the contract is a future on a yet nonexistent pair) and cuz i wanted it to be a negotiable instrument rather than a specified thing, specifically because that sort of vague future deal requires some room to wiggle.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:23:57; thestringpuller: why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe...
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:27:56; shinohai: fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273852 << i wish you would have known, and called it here six months early.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:32:52; shinohai: I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273864 << that is a large part of it. nobody (but dead souls) was using it anyway. and so the absent reaction to the admission is, "Hey, they accepted it!11".
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:55:40; ascii_field: (or, for that matter, ~before~)
mircea_popescu: usg is roughly in the position of the guy lost on a deserted island, who comes out of the closet, toi the rocks and the palm trees.
mircea_popescu: much to his surprise, the blowback is significantly less thgan what he had expected!
mircea_popescu: [by virtue of nobody else being on that same island] apparently nobody wants to burn him at the stake!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273865 << at what point did i say easy ? i deal in musts.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:59:57; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273660 << this is monumentally harder than mircea_popescu seems to think it is. primarily on account of graphics.
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha that came out great. in romanian must = pre wine (stum).
mircea_popescu: so... im a wine merchant now! got my own mustarie.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 05:03:12; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski !לשׁנה טובה
mircea_popescu: and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ?
mircea_popescu: omaigawd jdifs stahp!!111
pete_dushenski: it's just a bit of desert tribe scribblies, nothing to fear
mircea_popescu: good lsnh ?
pete_dushenski: l'shana tova : happy new year :)
mircea_popescu: aspiring ben can't even speal!
pete_dushenski: i dunno where the el apostrophe comes from, to be honest
mircea_popescu: clearly ben needs some parts cut off.
pete_dushenski: shana tova = 'a good year' to be more precise
pete_dushenski: "L'shanah tovah tikatevu" means "May you be inscribed for a good year"
mircea_popescu: prolly what happened
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that's not my call
pete_dushenski: the parts, that is
mircea_popescu: do we even have an official b-a moyle ?
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pete_dushenski: my whole city doesn't have one.
pete_dushenski: ~1mn peeps
mircea_popescu: yeah, the thing's going away.
pete_dushenski: where to ? progress ?
pete_dushenski: that's like saying kosher's going away
pete_dushenski: i obviously care neither for moyle nor two sets of dishes, but plenty of people believe in childish fractals
pete_dushenski: til : In many parts of the English speaking world (UK, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and South Africa) “practice” is the noun, “practise” the verb.
mircea_popescu: well yeah
pete_dushenski: i was toiling under the impression that it was the 's' was the british spelling and 'c' the american
pete_dushenski: which is only partially true
pete_dushenski: americans will use 'c' for both noun and verb, brits differentiate
mircea_popescu: here is his practice where he practises medicine.
pete_dushenski: precisement
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:01; ascii_field: something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti
mircea_popescu: it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club.
assbot: StarCraft II: Legacy of the Void - Allied Commanders Preview - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU2qrY )
mircea_popescu: not eating with the animals is a very important health practice
mircea_popescu: the difference between "at mercy of parasites" and "reasonably healthy" is strictly predicated on "not commensal with beasts of the field"
pete_dushenski: i knew that public health training was going to come in handy, but i didn't expect that it be on computers !
mircea_popescu: i dunno that anyone but anthropologists even conceptualize interspecies commensalism.
pete_dushenski: prolly just them
mircea_popescu: but there was a time, people and jackals ate the same three day old carcasses.
mircea_popescu: there was a time, actually, botulism killed more people than disentery.
mircea_popescu: that's a very advanced disease, comparatively.
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pete_dushenski: well botulism isn't hard to acquire when you're stuffing umbilical cord stumps with dirt
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pete_dushenski: or feeding babies honey
mircea_popescu: that latter especially.
mircea_popescu: (unlike adults, infants do not have a means of protection and so the bacterium can inhabit their gut and poison them.)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274437 << if 'it does not need to serve any practical function', then mircea_popescu is in luck! i already have this system! it is even a lisp machine! >>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:44:58; mircea_popescu: it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club.
assbot: Loper OS » The Simplest Lisp Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU3ZpG )
mircea_popescu wouldn't mind using that on a few skulls, so. progress!
asciilifeform: aha, why do you think i wrote it
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274402 << i rounded, of course. thing is, nobody makes this in ONE ips panel, if anyone did, i would own it. i have tiles.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:33:33; mircea_popescu: and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ?
mircea_popescu: so you... DO use it ?
asciilifeform: use what
mircea_popescu: "unless it runs 10k x 5k i won't use it, except i do".
asciilifeform: well it runs
asciilifeform: just with years of non-replicable sweat behind it.
mircea_popescu: aha. this, incidentally. it's fucking medieval, you know, for man to work a day and at the end of it to have less than a day's work to show for it.
mircea_popescu: the fucking idea is to get POSITIVE leverage for crying out loud
mircea_popescu: not leverage that delevers you.
asciilifeform: entirely medieval. but no different from, say, studying mathematics.
mircea_popescu: very different!
asciilifeform: it isn't like you can spit it out in pill form for someone to swallow, after you learn it
mircea_popescu: STUDY IS NOT WORK!
asciilifeform: (a couplea days ago somebody just about asked for this)
asciilifeform: but yes, medieval, plowing field with half an ox and bare hands, etc.
mircea_popescu: the notion that "study is just another kind of work" belongs in the same burning pile with "paper is just another kind of money"
mircea_popescu: study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP.
asciilifeform: in a sense this was study, just not of a kind anyone would wish for. i.e. i could re-make the thing if it burned down.
asciilifeform: (at somewhat astonishing expense)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point of study isn't "memorize this list of bugs"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i fucking wrote this
mircea_popescu: NOYOUDIDNT :D
mircea_popescu is being contradictory today.
mircea_popescu: yeah i know you wrote it, i read it!
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:10:44; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well yes, i ended it.
mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider
mircea_popescu: perhaps to have the same conversation pre-xmas.
asciilifeform: aha lol
mircea_popescu: what am i to do.
asciilifeform: i could get a colo box here but at ruinous cost.
mircea_popescu: why would i contribute to us gdp ?!
asciilifeform: this also.
mircea_popescu: nah, no us, no china, no russia. let the non-idiots have a chance.
asciilifeform: then again, wasn't mircea_popescu the sole remaining sponsor of 'bitpay' et al... ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this leaves who? tanzania ?
mircea_popescu: not the sole, but a significant one with very modest expense for the lolz.
mircea_popescu: i'd love one in tanzania, sure.
asciilifeform: in all seriousness, that would be spiffy
asciilifeform wonders whether nigeria might have one
mircea_popescu: Princely Domain Hostings LLC INC
asciilifeform: ahahahahahaha
asciilifeform: ''So here are five perfectly good reasons why Trump would make one fine Prezz. But he needs a running mate. Now, wouldn't it be a fine thing to have a woman Vice-Prezz? It's been two election cycles since a spectacularly dumb bimbo—Sarah Palin—came within a few percentage points of the Vice-Prezzidency; maybe it's time to try again. And so I propose Kim Kardashian as Trump's running mate. Not Kim Kardashian herself—she d
asciilifeform: oesn't amount to much—but, more specifically, her amazing ass. She has a stunning derrière that I am sure will make America feel proud again. Further, I propose that Trump marry her ass, and make a sort of national royal ass-family. She'd be the Vice-Prezz and the First Lady-Ass—killing two birds with one ass, if you will! Yes, it would require another tweak to the marriage laws to make it possible for a man and a woman's
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: buttocks to join in holy matrimony. But the Supreme Court seems game for such tweaks, and, as an added benefit, when time comes for Mr. Trump to divorce (as it invariably has), the Pope would be only too happy to annul such a union.'
mircea_popescu: (if i actually lived there and was doing a dc business, 100% what i'd call it.)
asciilifeform: ^ from the dept. of orl0lz
assbot: ClubOrlov: Trump for Prezz ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU6GHU )
mircea_popescu: dude how is palin a bimbo.
mircea_popescu: some word usage propriety, plox.
asciilifeform: in usa that is more or less what the word means
mircea_popescu: no it isn't.
mircea_popescu: palin was a soccer mom, if you must.
asciilifeform: before this, was a beauty contest contender, iirc
mircea_popescu: that is STILL not a bimbo.
asciilifeform puts on list to ask colleagues 'what is bimbo'
mircea_popescu: except of course if one's the sort of sexually frustrated guy that lives on a boat with a broken down engine
mircea_popescu: you ever saw married with children ?
mircea_popescu: christina applegate did the definitive bimbo.
mircea_popescu: a) sexually interesting ; b) sexually active ; c) very stupid. to life-threatening levels.
mircea_popescu: a bimbo is the sort of woman that will drop a hot cast iron pot on your foot sending you to hospital for six weeks because you offered her flowers.
mircea_popescu: not some derpy mommy blogger from alaska
asciilifeform: but she was not born 'mommy blogger', no?
asciilifeform: much as a 70 y.o. whore is still a whore even in retirement
asciilifeform: even if no clients?
mircea_popescu: she can be, but it's not guaranteed.
mircea_popescu: she can also be someone's mom.
mircea_popescu: women change. that's the essence of womanhood.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:27:15; mats: howbout reasons why win10 ain't so bad as win7, 8, 8.1.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:27:35; mats: not because i'm trying to convince anyone to use it, but maybe, zoological purposes
assbot: Microsoft Preemptively Downloads Windows 10 On Windows 7 and 8 Boxes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqMSBP )
mircea_popescu: lol microsoft is mandatory.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and you watched married with children ?? they showed this in romania ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273883 << debian sarge was it. and possibly woody.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:56; ascii_field: debian was never it.
pete_dushenski: i watched with dad growing up
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mno. FUCK running other people's binaries.
asciilifeform: if i wanted to eat pre-chewed food i know where to do.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski wouldn't go as far as watched, but it was immensely popular and i am culturally aware.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was available in source@
assbot: Kelly Hotness Compilation (Christina Applegate) Married with Children - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU8QY4 )
asciilifeform: everything is 'available' in source
asciilifeform: i'm talking about source being THE supported package installation mechanism.
pete_dushenski: bascially, turboslut
mircea_popescu: it... was.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ah superneat.
asciilifeform: yeah but 1) not exclusively or even very preferentially and 2) weird pre-debianized packages of src
mircea_popescu: IT WAS 2005!!11
mircea_popescu: what did you want them to do, github ?!
asciilifeform: gentoo built on ~generic~ tar.gz plus patches.
asciilifeform: sorta like us.
mircea_popescu: at the time it looked like they might go somewhere with it.
mircea_popescu: so benefit of doubt
mircea_popescu: but read the fucking old ml, nobody goes "here, try this binary", it's always "add this, recompile, say what happens"
asciilifeform: dev ml is always this
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: heck, are the mls even still visible from this ever-so-useful www
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok so then ?!
asciilifeform: it was a 'poor man's gentoo' yes
assbot: Half of UK banknotes used to fund shadow economy | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU9xRa )
mircea_popescu: no it wasn't.
mircea_popescu: omg i'm not redoing decade old holy wars ffs.
asciilifeform: http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger << s0mebody reads the logz, rips off deedbot
asciilifeform: (to no very constructive end)
mircea_popescu: and forgets to mention where he got the idea. and OF COURSE to no very constructive end.
mircea_popescu goes off to quote
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the day one of these ~mentions where he got the idea~ i will probably have to fly to the office on my pig.
mircea_popescu: " I readily understand the vanity involved, nevertheless let me point out to you that it's actually to your detriment to attempt to separate yourself from the source of things you like. "
mircea_popescu: somehow this point is very hard to grok for the DKs.
mircea_popescu: finding el dorado and RUNNING OFF with a chunk of gold you found in the street is NOT how you get rich.
mircea_popescu: it's how you make yourself poor against god's patent will.
asciilifeform: the likely objective was 'keep the other louts from getting rich and cancelling mine'
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's how you do it.
mircea_popescu: italy found america first, never told anyone, was rich
mircea_popescu: then portugal and spain, told, were poor.
mircea_popescu: very italian logic, this, incidentally.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:13:08; ascii_field: assuming my hardware RAID cards continue to work
asciilifeform: partially
mircea_popescu: contrary to the more or less agreement seems to be (video) i suspect raid may be a worse tarpit.
mircea_popescu: fucking byzantine insanity that field.
asciilifeform: re on something like a raid or gpu is a very frustrating experience
asciilifeform: because 95%+ of the firmware consists of 'pokes' to set magic registers.
mircea_popescu: but at least you're not asked to re ram
asciilifeform: ram is deadly simple.
pete_dushenski: "Last year I intended to transfer £760 from the Halifax to my Nationwide account. Unfortunately, I mistyped a digit of the account number and the money went to a stranger." << another anton
asciilifeform: look at it under microscope some time
asciilifeform: it isn't even secret in the usual sense
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski that never fucking happens. it's rank nonsense.
asciilifeform: (data sheet will often tell you far more than you would ever wish to know)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: never happens in fiat ?
mircea_popescu: in my entire busienss experience something of that description happened exactly once ; it was a customer of MY SAME BANK using the short form slips they have (not the full iban, just the acct #) and sent money to me instead of his intended recipient. the bank asked me if i am releasing it, which i did, and it was done the same day.
pete_dushenski: maybe 'the guardian' just wants to inform more tards of their unpreparedness for crypto. not a bad service, i guess (tm)
mircea_popescu: but as it is, the payment won't clear (ie, won't leave sending bank to go to receiving bank) unless the name and number match.
mircea_popescu: (which is chiefly why they give you a slot to put an intended name in)
assbot: I have lost £760 by mistyping a single digit … and Nationwide won’t give it back | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OUcFMH )
mircea_popescu: and whenever a new ditz was hired to do paperwork, and she fucked this up, the bank rep would call me to fix it.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is ~1k news ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: makes complete sense
mircea_popescu: dude the guardian is ever less attention worthy.
pete_dushenski: sorry, no, the 'news' doth not, the form doth
pete_dushenski: and $1k is news because it caters to the masses of improverished minds and souls
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:14:29; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273671 << the closest thing presently existing is 'mathematica'.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:27:51; mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..."
pete_dushenski: no information is provided, nor is not to be obtained by digging.
pete_dushenski: the guardian is basically the pampers diaper website
pete_dushenski: a vacuous noisehole devoid of meaning and value
kakobrekla: >slot to put an intended name in < i can put a space in that field when in online bank as it should not be blank - and it works. i wonder if this would pass a bank worker. "no no, i did write empty spaces there"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~mathematica~. not the wiki maintained by wolfram's sex toy interns.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a proggy, that actually does most mathematical manipulations formally described in any book.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273906 ?<< ofcourseitis! that's why i even mention it. much like the "well, if we wanna change blocks, THESE things need to be looked at". if you want "formal systems", here you start.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:15:09; ascii_field: this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then.
pete_dushenski: both of which (guardian+pamers) provide a panem et circenses effect. period.
asciilifeform: sorta like 'derive' but elephantine.
mircea_popescu: obviously the fact that the road is observably long and the first steps haven't been made is somewhat concerning
mircea_popescu: but it is concerning asto the sanity of the would be "travellers"
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274406 <<< שָׁנָה טוֹבָה וּמְתוּקָה pete_dushenski
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:35:26; pete_dushenski: l'shana tova : happy new year :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah okay.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol you can leave it blank, i occasionalyl did, but you really shouldn't.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: cheers mate :)
mircea_popescu: because odds are you'll go back to the clerk to fix it for you and he'll be... WELL WHY THE FUCK DID YOU NOT USE THE SAFEGUARD
mircea_popescu: (in practice he'll warn you this makes it a bearer instrument. which is not technically correct, but conveys the point.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00076614 = 14.2502 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: plz no more links to 'the guardian', i'm begging you. you post something, i start digging, and i end up woefully riled up at the rampant and despotic idiocy of that once fair island
pete_dushenski: same as 'bater' chick
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski but YOU linked it ?!
pete_dushenski: of course, asciilifeform can link what he wants
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:18:08; ascii_field: ~i~ can. trinque apparently can. mircea_popescu iirc was not able to. and hanbot also did not.
pete_dushenski: this is perhaps a personal and public castigation of myself, and a reminder to future me not to click on the clickbait!
mircea_popescu: or w/e it is. trinque where does the recipe or whatever it is live ? link ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i used to follow the "press" links in here. now i mostly ignore them. shit's unreadable.
pete_dushenski: but i'm off into the meat. later gang!
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:20:33; ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:22:28; kakobrekla: imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons)
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:06; ascii_field: trinque: if i wanted to build things by hand, and resolve dependency hells by hand, i'd be using buildroot linux.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:47; ascii_field: trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273980 << like eulora needs more noob players. the thing is... very +EV to play as a noob.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:46:37; thestringpuller: need more cult members
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:01:16; ascii_field: and it takes a dozen runs or more, to arrive at a usable chip.
mircea_popescu: in the following sense :
mircea_popescu: it's true that organic complex systems take a number of tries to arrive at a result. but that sort of failure rate is not seen in nature - woman doesn't abort 10 for every one it carries to term. aborts less than half.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in engineering people obviously went from building bridges that sometimes stood up to building bridges that almost always stay up.
mircea_popescu: however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow the proposition is that "usg" has a sort of control over an activity which generally fails.
mircea_popescu: this is not possible in nature.
mircea_popescu: so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie.
kakobrekla: > building bridges that almost always stay up. < this is due to chinafication. need it as cheap and as fast as possible, other parameters irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: was thinking more of stuff like tay bridge
mircea_popescu: (china wasn't invented yet, but yes, cheap fast nevermind school of engineering)
mircea_popescu: uh. i mean. CFN engineering.
kakobrekla: at least thats what i get from my contacts in the bezzle.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274035 <<< but then again that can be 20 BTC, on the internet.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:09:08; ascii_field: but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274048 << perhaps these people also don't understand how p2p works.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:14:25; ascii_field: MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
mircea_popescu: yes, you will download Derpy Adventures 17 whether you intend to watch it or not!
shinohai: "My gf said she was bad and needed to be punished, so I installed Windows 10 on her laptop."
funkenstein_: ls
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274479 <-- "scholastes", apparently meant "leisure", that's the story on the street anyway my Greek not good enough
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:59:06; mircea_popescu: study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP.
funkenstein_: I speak physics however: play is work. Energy expended = force * distance = work.
mircea_popescu: Energy expended = force * distance = lucru mecanic. not just work - "mechanical work", aka, that fiction.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38566 @ 0.00077711 = 29.97 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274082 << discover the shitty walpaint drops off particles, try and fix it, discover it's not so easily fixed and your walls are porous, reconstruct your room out of sheet aluminum, etc.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 19:22:25; BingoBoingo: Spare bedroom, pull up carpet, make vestibule, vacuum obsessively, start negative pressure fans, vacuum some more, find iso guides to class your new cleanroom.
mircea_popescu: a mini-cleanroom is to be made in your yard out of shipping containers.
mircea_popescu: lol that entire convo was entertaining. "they snuck in the clean room and made out!!1"
mircea_popescu: anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery. << Any other pursuit that fits the space and makes messes.
BingoBoingo: But I guess shipping container would be much cheaper
mircea_popescu: you never make a mess in a clean room
mircea_popescu: heck you can't even take a notebook in there.
BingoBoingo: Of course so long as you want it to stay a clean room, but eventually gotta end the cleanroom some way.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274109 << ironically, the "jefferson"/jewish sabbatical/etc arguments re debts neatly reduce to a "the people are too stupid to be allowed to take real debt".
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 19:51:41; phf: anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbot's story, both
mircea_popescu: which, considering it goes with the rest of the "people are too stupid to own real guns, real computers, etc" trend
mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period.
mircea_popescu: and then one needn't explain why interest rates are 20-50% pa for some schmucks, and yet "0.0%" for thje fed.
mircea_popescu: this connection between one interest and another interest is most embarassing to the usg, in the way it keeps exposing the hush hush inflation problem.
mircea_popescu: (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274146 << see, if naggum had the fucking sense to stick around...
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:24:02; phf: i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks*
mircea_popescu: if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it.
mircea_popescu: he cheats with the chicken wire tho
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274155 the internet popularity of 1984 (itself a byproduct of the wachowksi brothers being insane) accounts entirely for his being a thing.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:29:46; gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272365 << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been.
mircea_popescu: (for the record the book isn't very good, but hey. pulp fiction._
funkenstein_: On the literature tip, /me wonders if any RU speakers have tried Звенящие кедры России
funkenstein_: aka Анастасия
gernika: He must have been *something* of a thing to have been assigned reading pre-internet. Also there was the well known MacIntosh commercial. I must admit to being completely unaware of his internet cachet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115700 @ 0.00076134 = 88.087 BTC [-] {5}
gernika: I probably just liked it because of the sex.
mircea_popescu: in preference over what, henry miller ?
gernika: Girl gave me henry miller 4 years later :(
mircea_popescu: kinda how that works. like herpes.
gernika: lol
mircea_popescu: incidentally, heh, the days ridley scott was directing jobs' signle shot ad campaigns.
mircea_popescu: i maintain that apple's exactly ONLY know how was "how to get roi on advertising".
mircea_popescu: that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech.
mircea_popescu: (the chick in that ad, btw, Anya Major, is probably best known to the audience as the russki chick in elton john's stupid nikita thing)
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b3
lobbes: ^^ nifty! wd trinque
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
lobbes: !up analmaster
ascii_field: analmaster !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2915 @ 0.00076036 = 2.2164 BTC [-]
assbot: JonDoNym/peinjector · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1iMBRe2 )
analmaster: oh nevermind i thought that said penis injector
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:48:09; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273976 <<< wwwwait. they fit in head ?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274672 << if only! the real trouble is that many things in engineering are not actually amenable to accurate simulation.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:53:38; mircea_popescu: so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie.
ascii_field: see the old chemical sim discussion for some of the reasons why
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274669 << see old thread where i compared chipmaking to satellite launch. they are very similar activities, in having unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:52:55; mircea_popescu: however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity.
ascii_field: plus ruinous expense.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274708 << they don't forget - how could they, living in their mother's houses. but they do, afaik, see it as something like a natural disaster, rather than malfeasance
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:30:36; mircea_popescu: (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274711 << naggum ~had~ something like #b-a - comp.lang.lisp. very similar mix of brain.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:38:30; mircea_popescu: if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274729 << you can say this until you turn blue, but they ARE THE ONLY REMAINING UNIX WORKSTATION VENDOR
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 16:11:49; mircea_popescu: that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech.
ascii_field: yes, some of us know how to make unix workstation out of dirt
ascii_field: like that fella who knows how to make a working kalash from a shovel
ascii_field: (see log)
ascii_field: but this is neither here nor there
ascii_field: at one point there was hp, sgi, sun, buncha others now forgotten (sony NEWS ! yes) but today it's apple.
ascii_field: and that's it.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
assbot: Jarryd Hayne's debut as seen in Australia: a fumble, flags and breaks – as it happened | Sport | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkN3EF )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: "Kaepernick goes wide. And there’s another break. Everyone has a drink. My, there are some breaks. More breaks than Alcatraz."
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: what does 'go wide' mean ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Move laterally on the field away from the central disputed territory so that you might catch the pass away from defenders
ascii_field: what is the name for the opposite move ?
BingoBoingo: Go Deep
BingoBoingo: Or Rush down the center (done while carrying a ball handed to you)
BingoBoingo: At least half the time thrown footballs don't get caught anyways
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274680 << if 5k usd could make a working and USEFUL ic, i think we would each here have one, and would be arguing over their merits, posting from them !
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:59:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274035 <<< but then again that can be 20 BTC, on the internet.
ascii_field: as it is, you gotta understand that yields are nowhere near 100% and especially not in a discount factory primarily used by students graded on a curve.
ascii_field: (who do you think goes there)
ascii_field: and that is assuming a FLAWLESS design
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00076036 = 11.8616 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up analmaster
assbot: FCC Commissioner: Free Content Might Violate 'Conduct Standard’ | PJ Media ... ( http://bit.ly/1isZmJb )
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 12:58:47; asciilifeform: obligatory: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 << where we are headed.
ascii_field: gotta love the spin, 'free content illegal'
ascii_field: whereas just as factually it is 'charge for some bytes but not others'
BingoBoingo: The more I play with TI-92 the more I wish it was still more of a "desktop" calculator with keyboard, mouse, and montior
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: easy to get
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: download the rom (see logs) and run the emulator.
BingoBoingo wonders if TI-92 ROM can be made to boot on old Macintosh
ascii_field: runs fine on a 486
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: it will not boot a mac. not only entirely different peripherals, but slightly differing cpu
ascii_field: but it will run beautifully on emulator. of which there are at least a dozen.
ascii_field: even for some phones
BingoBoingo actually wondering if a "coldfire" board can be used to make such a machine
ascii_field: again, not entirely same cpu
ascii_field: closest thing is probably 'amiga'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00076036 = 28.2094 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I've got a lot of wondering to do
BingoBoingo: But not interested in computer that runs calculator software so much as calculator that scales up to computer.
assbot: Practical Padding Oracle Attacks on RSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqPsI8 )
mircea_popescu: in the "all leaks are catastrophic leaks" school of cryptoplumbing
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha
ascii_field: i linked it for a reason.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate. << there is no such thing.
mircea_popescu: all that says is "bad engineering". no exceptions.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: go and grow perfect si crystal, and do a perfect litho on it, and come back ?
ascii_field: collect the remaining riches of the world.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> naggum ~had~ something like #b-a - comp.lang.lisp. very similar mix of brain. << not unlike saying you have si in your fridge. there's bottles there, very similar "mix of atoms".
mircea_popescu: the structure is what matters.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> mircea_popescu: go and grow perfect si crystal, and do a perfect litho on it, and come back ? << ANd biology isn't relevant to Bitcoin?
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: biology is terrible example here
ascii_field: where of 10,000 seeds, one grows, etc.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't need to lay an egg to tell you this one's rotten.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Nah, you gotta understand when Intel goes bust USG will have monsanto to fab chips
mircea_popescu: also, no plant known has a 1 in 10k germination rate.
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: intel will go bust shortly after the mongols water their horses in the potomac
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21324 @ 0.00076905 = 16.3992 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: true. but si fab is not 1 in 10k either.
ascii_field: (imagine if it were!)
mircea_popescu: <deedbot-> [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 << whoa that's some decent bang for a buck. ty internets.
BingoBoingo: https://bitbet.us/bet/1197/rand-paul-will-get-less-than-7-minutes/ << I'm hoping the lesser Paul gets to break out for this one
assbot: BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 17 hours 23 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkQ9bU )
BingoBoingo: But would still need to improve over his last round with another minute and a half
mircea_popescu: FCC Commissioner Ajit Varadaraj Pai
mircea_popescu: srsly, the us is indian now ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they make great bureaucrats, aha
BingoBoingo: The Brahmins incresingly are
mircea_popescu: they do make great bureaucrats.
mircea_popescu: of a failed state.
BingoBoingo: Few homeless or poor indians in 'Murica
BingoBoingo: Median income of $106,000 roughly
ascii_field: the poor ones are physics ph.d.
mircea_popescu: "And that simply raises the question, how far will this Internet content standard go? What kinds of business practices that innovative new competitors might want to introduce might be frowned upon by the FCC?” << superlulzy, because the behaviour discussed is deeply un-innovative. in fact, it's strictly monopoly milking.
gernika: A mobile phone company I worked at recently was fully indianized.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there is nothing a telco does which is ~not~ in some way monopoly-milking
mircea_popescu: funny how every two bit scammer/fraudster/rent seeker is quick to misrepresent himself as "innovative" "competitor" "entrepreneur" and whatnot.
gernika: And fully not profitable.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: from edison's time, even.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well yeah. being that the state had to get involved into it.
ascii_field: he set the mega-example for others to follow.
mircea_popescu: Starting in 2016, the IRS will no longer accept checks for $100 million or more because the equipment at the Federal Reserve Bank that processes checks can’t handle checks for more than 8 digits. Checks larger than that have to be processed manually by hand, which, according to internal memos obtained by the Associated Press, could increase “the risk of theft, fraud and errors.”
mircea_popescu: according to new research by Gavin & Mike, in 2020 that number will reduce to 4 digits, and then continue to halve every few years!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18076 @ 0.00077357 = 13.9831 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:46:56; mats: fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1324 @ 0.00076036 = 1.0067 BTC [-] {2}
williamdunne sends check to federal reserve for $214,748,364.78
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/appeals-court-denies-dotcom-request-for-extradition-hearing-delay/ <<< ahahaah what in the ever loving fuck! so the us has been derping for four years, on printed money. this guy finally got his accounts (HIS!!) back in july and now he can't have an extensionb because... THE CASE IS TOO COMPLEX ?!
assbot: Appeals Court Denies Dotcom Request for Extradition Hearing Delay | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkS149 )
mircea_popescu: just fucking burn it down already. there's absolutely no reason to continue the charade. "law abiding" = terrorist.
BingoBoingo: Seriously
mircea_popescu: it's the people burning shit down that are the true law abiding folk.
gernika: Was there ever a check on nonsense rulings like this and recent Supreme Court decisions?
mircea_popescu: this is NZ
mircea_popescu: anyway. grounds for mistrial.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a straight usg colony
ascii_field: what 'mistrial'
ascii_field: it'll be grounds for expedited shipment to gitmo
ascii_field: if hitler wills it.
mircea_popescu: i dun think anyone asked that guy anything.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274705 << this will work great once mortgages are somehow iphonized (everybody rents, straight from usg dept. of housing, or somesuch)
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:29:21; mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period.
mircea_popescu: kinda weird they missed the great 2008 opportunity for that, was expecting more lively action on that.
ascii_field: gotta collect the schmuck salaries back
ascii_field: or turkey shortages.
ascii_field: debt (of the idiot credit card kind! not even houses/cars/tuition) is ~the~ collector
mircea_popescu: "Then, the patient gradually became more alert with an increased ability to follow commands over the next evening and was at baseline 38 hours after presenting to the hospital. The patient did have significant associated morbidities including 3 thoracic spine compression fractures, a comminuted humeral head fracture likely secondary to seizures and requiring arthroplasty, and multiple rib fractures secondary to CPR. Sh
mircea_popescu: e was discharged home on hospital day 3 with a sodium level of 133 mmol/L and baseline mental status."
mircea_popescu: that poor woman.
mircea_popescu: "we broke her ribs and other things, but hey, she responds to commands now"
BingoBoingo: And all for a laxative
BingoBoingo: ANd poor instructions
mircea_popescu: and all this because they wanted her to dedicate her entire fucking day to taking it up the ass for the great god of colonoscopy.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously.
mircea_popescu: why exactly ? fuck all that shit.
assbot: Federal Court Invalidates 11-Year-old FBI gag order on National Security Letter recipient Nicholas Merrill | The Calyx Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkUcF0 )
ascii_field: 'The ruling marks the first time that an NSL gag order has been lifted in full since the PATRIOT Act vastly expanded the scope of the FBI’s NSL authority in 2001.'
mircea_popescu: hey, at least they admit the nsl was there before 2001.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall seeing that before.
ascii_field: 'The Court observed that, according to the government, Mr. Merrill would only be allowed to discuss the kinds of records the FBI demanded in “a world in which no threat of terrorism exists, or a world in which the FBI, acting on its own accord and its own time, decides to disclose the contents of the Attachment.”'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously. << Took grandpa until halfway to his eigth decade to take a stand on no more fingers and scopes up the butt and no more needles in the eye.
assbot: FBI Keeps Telling Purely Theoretical Encryption Horror Stories ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkUgEI )
kakobrekla: >The ETH scam won't see 2016 < isnt this a negative bet?
mircea_popescu: body seems positive enough
mircea_popescu: "Asked how often investigations are stymied by encryption, Kiran Raj, a senior counsel of the Department of Justice, responded with a non-answer. “It is an important point that you make, that we have to provide the sense of a scale,” he said."
mircea_popescu: the fucking cheeky bastard.
mircea_popescu: listen up raj your mother-s a whore go back to india : you don't fucking get to score the questions
mircea_popescu: nobody cares what some anon goat fucker thinks on any topic. on your knees, answer humbly and move on.
mircea_popescu: you are a SERVANT. nothing more. just like your mom used to be, minus the assfucking.
ascii_field: what army, exactly, will put him on his knees ?
mircea_popescu: (you're ugly, she wasn't.)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the 1st ghandi rifles ?
shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/7iGch3c.jpg <<< ascii_field loading storage for phuctor
mircea_popescu: "Hess said that data currently available on investigations, including the annual wiretap report indicating that agents encountered encryption only a handful of times during the course of the year, is simply wrong." << it is simply wrong, because it never figures in court matter, because they parallel construct to all hell and don't know how to do it well
mircea_popescu: (lying, of any kind it might be, always takes more clever than speaking the truth. it also always enbds up taking more cleverf than is available, but that's secondary here.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over.
ascii_field: they are rescued by the complete lack of any consequences for story which does not hang together (e.g., '9/11' details, or the 'how they found ulbricht' story, etc)
ascii_field: a parallel-constructed nsa tap is just another 'anonymous tip' to these folks.
mircea_popescu: "how" they found ulbricht = "we discovered this github post" or what was it ?
gernika: stackoverflow
ascii_field: iirc the story changed more than once.
mircea_popescu: was preeeeetty ridoinculous.
ascii_field: my point was that usg is not burdened with the need to lie ~plausibly~.
mircea_popescu: and with the force the 4th guy... the whole thing looked more like turf war between rival drug lords, on of which being the usg, than anything legitimate.
mircea_popescu: it is so burdened.
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274908 <<< invite sent. She even has a key already.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 18:04:38; mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over.
ascii_field: by whom? the 1st gandi rifle division ?
punkman: guy posted silkroad ads on bitcointalk and his personal email http://antilop.cc/sr/img/bitcointalk_altoid_post_archive_11_27_2011.png
mircea_popescu: iirc that was discovered months after.
mircea_popescu: but yes, trivial to find this sort of shit once you got the guy
mircea_popescu: the interesting question was, how.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: usg moves dates as it pleases, yes.
punkman: well he made way too many mistakes too count
mircea_popescu: punkman this is besides the point.
mircea_popescu: which exact mistakes, and how, was the question.
punkman: we'll never know that of course
mircea_popescu: then we can't have rule of law, can we.
mircea_popescu: these two points are inseparable.
ascii_field: as if it were ever not a scam
ascii_field: since, hell, hammurabi
mircea_popescu: there's nothing in it that requires it be a scam.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19086 @ 0.00076579 = 14.6159 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: "Life is short, sell your 0days" << good slogan for exploit-ebay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00075915 = 12.4501 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up anton_osika
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: punkman: i don't think this is actually possible. see log.
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 17:38:54; asciilifeform: think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole?
williamdunne sees no reason why most people would need to directly touch a blockchain
ascii_field: williamdunne: thread in question was about the impossibility of selling exploits
ascii_field: (you may have been told that people are doing it, and yes, there are people who think they are doing it. but they are being scammed. often, on both sides of the table simultaneously...)
williamdunne: ascii_field: Eh, was just reading; 19:36:41 - thestringpuller: https://medium.com/@OB1Company/scaling-bitcoin-9366988972b6 […]
assbot: Scaling Bitcoin — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y9cpzP )
williamdunne: But yah
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mod6: ascii_field: see if this one makes any sense: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
assbot: Untitled graph ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )
ascii_field: mod6: any way to make this vertical ?
ascii_field: it also needs strict level separation
ascii_field: that is,
ascii_field: genesis at the bottom, and nothing else colinear with it;
ascii_field: the next level of descent, one notch above it;
ascii_field: and so on, until the modern day.
mod6: ah. yeah, i'll have to play around with the format, etc. we'll see if i can make it happen. maybe?
ascii_field: like genealogical tree.
ascii_field: but this picture is a very good start.
ascii_field: nice work mod6
mod6: ty
mats: is it a scam if you sell a commodity for 1/10 of what its worth, knowing you could not move it for market value anyway?
ascii_field: mats: it is a double-headed scam
ascii_field: mats: seller, for instance, can disclose the patch immediately after sale
ascii_field: or even a certain time before
mod6: as far as the 'experimental' patches, i agree about the 'maxint_locks' patch.... maybe there's a better word than experimental. and, anyway, this will all change soon anyhow, so not sure how urgent it is.
ascii_field: to third parties.
mats: sure, its highly asymmetrical, all parties involved know this
ascii_field: mats: and yes, i have something that i know is worth $10M but since i don't have blue blood i can only get a hundy for it, i would MUCH prefer to burn it.
ascii_field: because FUCK blue bloods.
ascii_field: and i am certainly ~NOT~ risking gasenwagen to get that hundy.
mats: more like 20k instead of 10mn.
ascii_field: fuck'em.
ascii_field: and it isn't like a schmuck from the street can get 20k as it is now.
mats: 20k in buttcoins, mate
ascii_field: where?
mats: someone who isn't me.
ascii_field: mats: and who brokers the deal? god?
mats: a fella you own, of course
ascii_field: what is my assurance that i see the coin
ascii_field: and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods
assbot: dpaste: 1KH2JJC ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdWvg7 )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
mats: none at all. isn't it exciting?
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not sure if qntra worthy or not ^
ascii_field: mats: go, be excited.
ascii_field: i'll pass.
mats: when i'm in a different jurisdiction, yes, will be exciting
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gernika: mircea_popescu just recieved exact same email
gernika: I'm all in
mircea_popescu: and did it call you "gernika" ?
ascii_field: mats: if caching 0days were as easy as you suggest, there is no reason why you ought to be stuck in usaschwitz. go, move in next door to mircea_popescu ?
ascii_field: cashing
ascii_field: 0days.
mats: i don't have any 0days.
gernika: Nope.
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com Coindesk
gribble: Introducing the qntra on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/introducing-the-qntra>; The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/the-pseudo-bitcoinsphere-feels-just-as-squishy-poo-as-the-romanian-pseudo-blogosphere-felt-five-years-or-so-ago>; Blogging is a muscle and other observations on Trilema - A blog by (1 more message)
mats: i know a broker with buyers, however...
assbot: The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the Romanian pseudo-blogosphere felt five years or so ago. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y9f9Nm )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field> and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods << you ever heard of teh wot ?
deedbot-: [Trilema] Come see what "positive", "affirmative" etc mean! - http://trilema.com/2015/come-see-what-positive-affirmative-etc-mean/
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you ever heard of the-transaction-cant-be-public ?
mircea_popescu: why does it have to be public ?
mircea_popescu: wot doesn't require this.
ascii_field: wot requires public, yes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Will look into it, but there has been "masquerade" spamming lately. Hard to tell if actual impersonation though or plausible deniability scam
ascii_field: selling 0days requires privacy
mircea_popescu: in your understanding, maybe.
ascii_field: at least if you don't have an army.
ascii_field: otherwise i would have to include the cost of an army in my price
ascii_field: and who will buy then
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm not sure why such a concern would be of any interest. this "fund" is not represented in the wot. consequently, any piece of email purportying to be from them ACTUALLY IS every time that is detrimental to them
mircea_popescu: and never is otherwise.
shinohai: "Si te sientes guapa" <<< LOL that's all it takes ....
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just that lingering doubt is why I'm going to keep digging for other stuff to consider qntra-ing up
mircea_popescu: ascii_field couldja for five minutes stop with this "i know how things are in direct proportion of how little i know about them" ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ..?
mircea_popescu: makes sense BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what part of wot requires any deal be public!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways last week there was nearly identical spam floating around under Pantera Capital's name. Spam's not really news.
mircea_popescu: this is true.
ascii_field: let's say it does not. so i renege and pastebin the exploit i just sold. vendor negrates me: '-10, poopyhead, can't say why publicly'
ascii_field: so i generate a new key. but, you will say, next buyer will not deal with a nobody ? then why would they have dealt with me earlier ?
mircea_popescu: for all you know it can literally say "i don't trust him".
ascii_field: so now we have 'you gotta associate your existing identity with selling 0days'
mircea_popescu: because i said so ?
ascii_field: ------> gasenwagen.
mircea_popescu: we have no such thing.
mircea_popescu: see, you jump over the uncomfortable fractures.
ascii_field: humour me, say i want to sell an 0day today.
ascii_field: i create a new key for this purpose
mircea_popescu: and by uncomfortable i mean, the places where yo ususpect the solution may lie.
ascii_field: why would anyone trade with me ?
mircea_popescu: a key for the purpose of a one off deal ?
mircea_popescu: that is ipso definitio a scam.
ascii_field: for the purpose of the entire thing
ascii_field: say i have precisely 1 saleable 0day.
mircea_popescu: suppose someoine who isn't us registers 0day_bourbaky in the wot.
mircea_popescu: ima rate it. because i fucking feel like it.
ascii_field: ok, this works once.
mircea_popescu: so there you go, it's started.
ascii_field: maybe twice.
mircea_popescu: yes it works once. how many times do you want it to work.
ascii_field: will you rate the 10,001st one when 10,000 renege ?
ascii_field: i won't.
mircea_popescu: wait. 10k what ?
ascii_field: 10,000 bozos take the coin & run
ascii_field: or renege in some other way.
mircea_popescu: you're the seller or the buyer here ?
ascii_field: in this example, i'm just an earthworm. watching.
mircea_popescu: wouldja stop.
mircea_popescu: are we discussing the buyer or the seller side here.
ascii_field: in this case, seller. he gets shafted.
mircea_popescu: stop trying to force the inept mental jump on me. i am neither inept nor am i making it.
ascii_field: which one ?
mircea_popescu: seller has a minimum of two 0 days. he creates a wot account for the purpose of selling these and future ones indefinitely. seller publishes one freom that account as a proof, announces he has more, explains what it costs. sends it encrypted once gets paid. gets rated. what's the big deal.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: understand, if i'm merely thick and you can describe a working mechanism, people ~will~ use...
mircea_popescu: i just have.
mircea_popescu: and if seller doesn't want to burn one, seller can just ask (PRIVATELY) friends to rate it.
ascii_field: say i have ~exactly one~.
mircea_popescu: which friends will do.
mats: this is how i imagine it would work
mircea_popescu: or at any rate, i will do.
mircea_popescu: but the caveat being that if seller has exactly one, and no reason to suspect he will ever have more, this entire thing is a wot. aka, waste of time.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: and he should just play the good researcher and publish it.
ascii_field: give the plutonium away for free to the first idiot pastebin reader who comes along, aha.
ascii_field: why bother digging it out of the ground to begin with ?
mircea_popescu: it's provably the best usage, if you don't secrete it.
mircea_popescu: mno. words have meanings. " no reason to suspect he will ever have more".
mircea_popescu: this precludes any bothering. because bothering is a thing of work, which is a reason to suspect.
ascii_field: i'm not speaking theoretically, either
mircea_popescu: either he can make them, at some rate whatever it may be, but nonzero (even if it's so low in the end it ends up being 0), and then he has a business being a seller.
ascii_field: it is entirely possible to find a potential exploit in the course of unrelated work. developing it into an ACTUAL exploit takes sweat.
ascii_field: mats will understand what i speak of here.
mircea_popescu: or else he can not make them, just found some meteor, in which case he has no business being a seller. because nobody may sell what he can't make.
mircea_popescu: which is why "inheritors" are fundamentally poor.
mircea_popescu: then the afid needs an ant.
ascii_field: i think it is necessary to put on magic glasses, which i don't have, to see 'poor inheritors'
mircea_popescu: as he's only half a person
ascii_field: because afaik most of the serious money is in the hands of inheritors even now.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field watch butterfield 8.
ascii_field puts on list
mircea_popescu: not only a gorgeous 20something liz taylor, but also
ascii_field: also saud et al will beg to differ that 'you cannot sell what you do not make'
mircea_popescu: apparently the web doesn't have the quote. something like "my dear, i'm going out to find my pride. and if i ever find it, we'll see if it's still worth a damn to either of us."
mircea_popescu: ascii_field they can beg all they want, it's adequate to them.
mircea_popescu: what you can not make you can only give away. never sell.
ascii_field: so what, saudi golden toilet is leaden somehow ?
ascii_field: how does this work ?
mircea_popescu: it's a metaphysical point!
ascii_field: hence my note re: magic glasses.
ascii_field: because on the planet where i live, the richest folk, as far as naked eye can see, are resource extractors
mircea_popescu: ie, they find 0 days ?
ascii_field: the geological equivalent
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this entire "if you only got one and don't know how you got it, either - you therefore must publish" thing is exactly because that's how one learns.
mircea_popescu: for as long as you don't have a method to make them laugh, you're not to epxect to be paid for your "Comedian services".
ascii_field: saudi brass spend a million usd like i spend a dollar in a coke machine. and i know this through degree-1 meatwot.
mircea_popescu: you're to tell your jokes freely as much as possible, so as to learn how it works.
ascii_field: not through legend.
mircea_popescu: earning money at it come,s later.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field are you in a position to negrate this "degree-1" "meatwot" ?
ascii_field: meatwot is not a proper wot
mircea_popescu: so then don't mix improperly.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, i spent a million like you spend a dollar in a coke machine.
ascii_field: e.g., ever day ?
mircea_popescu: and coke was "degree-1" involved, iirc buffett still owns lots of it.
mircea_popescu: shit, you actually do that every day ?! IT'S BAD FOR YOU
ascii_field: not these days.
mircea_popescu: just saying, expenditure's not the measure of the world. but anyway.
ascii_field: but there was a time when i got caffeinated goop from vending machines, at uni.
ascii_field: was trying to point out that the folks who 'make nothing' (true!) have pretty much infinite money.
ascii_field: and access to 'turkeys' approximately as fast as they can be produced.
ascii_field: re: meatwot, all i meant was that i personally know a fella, who i trust to describe what he saw, who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting'
thestringpuller: re: meatwot, don't think one exist since memory if fallible
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: re: repeated sales of exploits, there are also opsec considerations.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is possible sometimes, from the overall flavour of the items, for hitler to ferret out whom to shoot.
ascii_field: (as may have been the case with 'snowden-2', though these were not exploits in the sense meant in this thread)
thestringpuller: i still don't think a meatwot can exist
thestringpuller: otherwise drug dealers wouldn't actively snitch on each other
ascii_field: thestringpuller: as mircea_popescu pointed out, i am abusing the term to refer to meatspace business circles
mats: what exactly precludes a meatwot from existence?
mats: i'm not following
thestringpuller: mats: in my perspective it seems the meatwot is more easily susceptible sybil attacks than one enforced with the principle governing gpg contracts
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274490 sory, i'll pass on, looks like it's not a priority at all for these people i wanted to do it together with
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:01:15; mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider
ascii_field: thestringpuller: how?
mats: canonical meatwot should involve gpg.
mats: otherwise it'd be meatfacebook
ascii_field: mats: how often do your friends get physically replaced with impostors ?
ascii_field: without you noticing.
mats: hasn't happened yet
thestringpuller: ascii_field: because niggas be forgetful and shit. if you're just saying "Well i trust this nigga cause of xyz" it's by word of mouth i.e. memory rather than something digitally recorded
thestringpuller: and cryptographically provable
ascii_field: thestringpuller: if you deal with sufficiently many people that your memory cannot fit them perfectly, your wot is not strictly a meatwot.
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thestringpuller: sure if six niggas is like "Yo i saw this nigga do some hood shit at my buddy moes"
thestringpuller: then you know that event likley occurred
thestringpuller: but it seems far more flimsy than a crypto record
thestringpuller: ascii_field: and it's not just my memory. it's whether memory of even occurred and is easily verifiable
thestringpuller: !up anton_osika
ascii_field: ;;later tell mod6 a more readable graph could omit genesis node.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
anton_osika: thx thestringpuller.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I re read the contract you wrote
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
anton_osika: I have proof of being the long party as specified
assbot: Letter to Mircea Popescu - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdEIna )
ascii_field: 'The verification relies on the credibility of a group of well reputed people, or a “bank” if you have to call it that: Kraken.com. The statement states what identity made the transaction to your account.' << this is a problem.
anton_osika: asciilifeform: Depends on what the contract is saying.
ascii_field: anyway it is not ~my~ problem.
anton_osika: Such a thing is not a problem in any serious contract that I would write in a business situation.
ascii_field: but i know enough to say that it will be a problem here.
anton_osika: Either you actively distrust Kraken.com and make ~no~payment. Or you fulfill your part of the contract as well as possible.
mod6: well, can't get the directional thing correct unless I use graphviz :/ http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.png
ascii_field: nobody gets trusted for showing up.
ascii_field: mod6: this is beautiful and ought to be on the www.
ascii_field: see if you can make the patch names clickable links
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime trust on this one however.
shinohai: asciilifeform: If you have time later, would appreciate assistance with the key issue you brought to my attention last week.
anton_osika: By the people who understand the situation.
ascii_field: shinohai: didn't somebody walk out with your key ?
ben_vulpes: rather nice, mod6
mod6: <+ascii_field> see if you can make the patch names clickable links << i'll see what I can do. thx.
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shinohai: ascii_field: no one walked out with it, just wasn't self-signed? Was using old email.
punkman: shinohai: your master key hadn't signed the subkeys? how does that happen?
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 19:57:21; anton_osika: mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime trust on this one however.
ascii_field: anton_osika: ever read the story (or watch the film based on it) - 'the cold equations' ?
BingoBoingo: anton_osika: That doesn't seem to solve the problem of inability to sign a delivery address with that public key, even if Kraken attests to it.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: just saw a commercia for ETrade creating a browser only platform for trading. Made me laugh outloud here in the airport cause, well is etrade et. al. going to become the new play exchanges?
anton_osika: BingoBoingo: One moment:
thestringpuller: We saw how well the move to CSS benefited GLBSE
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shinohai: punkman: trust me, being here opened my eyes to how inept I was with gpg
BingoBoingo: anton_osika: And further to the point, I don't think Kraken is in any position to attest to anything seeing how it is the USG appointed tool for distributing MtGox's carcass
BingoBoingo: At least anton_osika In the even you manage to uncorrupt your backup Kraken is no longer in a position to take deliver in your place by signing from the outgoing BTC address.
mats: if you image the device, i'd be happy to attempt recovery for a modest fee if i'm successful
anton_osika: BingoBoingo: Depends on what the contract should constructively be interpreted by. Unless MP stands by his word and take the one and only claimed deposit address (by the freenode authed antonosika as well as the holder of the bitcoin wallet) mircea_popescu will lose credibility by people who agree to my interpretation of what the cause of a future delivery
anton_osika: contract is.
anton_osika: interpreted for*
anton_osika: and this is a piss in the ocean for upholding ones credibility for mircea_popescu .
ascii_field: anton_osika: iirc mircea_popescu explained specifically, earlier, that he would lose credibility among the people who matter if he ~did~ pay.
shinohai: And how exactly is your credibility worth more than mircea_popescu 's?
anton_osika: mircea_popescu wrote the contract for the cause of delivery, right?
anton_osika: I am the long party and have independent verification of this by others with recognised trust.
anton_osika: ascii_field: I do not need any trust at all to damage MP:s trust.
mircea_popescu: omg the highlights
mats: that's not how the wot works
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting' << sure, i'm privy to teh arab wastage.
mircea_popescu: <mats> otherwise it'd be meatfacebook << lol. it's either pgp or meat, baby.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I re-read the contract, and the system of trust should prevent egoistic interpretations of contracts.
mircea_popescu: ahahah kraken.com wut ?!
anton_osika: There is a Kraken PGP key here that a lot of people that hold their trust (even in forms of assets) dearly to it . Those people would forever lose some of the trust for you.
mircea_popescu: o wow check it out, he actually managed the level enforcement. nice stuff mod6 !
anton_osika: ^the magic of digital trust.
mircea_popescu: <anton_osika> By the people who understand the situation. << by the who ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha - isn't it beautiful? it looks exactly like the graph in my head when i wrote 'v'
mircea_popescu: dun tell me there's some dudes right over the horizon ganging together to beat me up ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks :]
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah. it's wunderbar.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I am sorry.
mircea_popescu: mod6 didja do some hand-helping in there ?
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I tried to prevent a situation like this...
shinohai: But the contract wasn't between kraken was it?
mircea_popescu: because the thing shows some very promising AI in arranging the boxes.
mircea_popescu: lol wait you tried to what ?!
mircea_popescu: dude he could be a us secretary or something this guy. incredible how the same verbiage flows from the same circumstances.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iirc it is based on 'energy minimization' << as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1222064
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 16:00:48; asciilifeform: can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract
mircea_popescu: almost against one's will, as it were.
mod6: only one part that could be automated i think; just dumped out the graphviz config to file, and then tweeked the `rankdir' to 'BT' for (bottom=>top) by hand. then just gotta run dot to generate the image.
anton_osika: Seriously mircea_popescu. You wrote the contract - it has a cause and you have got the invoice paid.
mircea_popescu: see ascii_field ye olde "bitcoin perverts nsa" thing ? cuts both ways. finding oneself in the sort of situation the usg finds itself ALSO perverts.
mircea_popescu: anton_osika what's "egoistic interpretations of contracts." ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha! recall how you once observed that it is astonishing that i, in particular, manage to think about anything at all ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 does it actually attempt to minimize line length ? ascii_field you realise this is a complete problem yes ?
mod6: so this can be automated, but some cleanup required. im just read that you can make clickable links -- gonna give it a shot.
mod6: mircea_popescu: it might. im not exactly sure how graphviz does its magic.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: np-complete does not mean unsolvable ! just means that not solvable efficiently if the data set is at all large
mircea_popescu: ah i thought it was something you brewed. somehow i thought graphviz won't do it.
ascii_field: or rather, not that, either. but in bean counter terms
ascii_field: but in point of fact, this is a very favourable data set for plotting
mircea_popescu: we are contemplating rather large datasets. but yes, so far.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: only forward flow, for example
mircea_popescu: ah yes that helps
mod6: yeah, i re-wrote v in perl, and it does all the traversing etc, then i build the graph with recursion and the Graph::Easy mod.
mircea_popescu: "time only flows one way because god got fucking sick of debugging bidirectional graphs"
ascii_field: graph::easy has the killer feature of ascii output!
ascii_field: the only such lib i was able to find
ascii_field: almost considered rewriting in perl myself, just to use it
mod6: that's why i initially liked it too! but alas, if you can't grow TB or BT, then it gets hairy at 80 cols.
mod6: there might be a way to do this still, just might be a bit deeper than i'ev looked so far.
shinohai: Please send 0.05 BTC to 1nu11ampgw1GKrZSgn2q3JS8kZE88n6d5 if you want voice from me anton_osika
mircea_popescu: !up anton_osika
anton_osika: Thank you.
mircea_popescu: srsly, try to be interesting anton_osika ppl are getting sick of it.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this?
mircea_popescu: i dun have an address to pay to.
mircea_popescu: (for all you know, i already paid, for that matter.)
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Payment of future delivery c - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdK2Hg )
anton_osika: Thank you for taking it into account.
anton_osika: You are in the position of having a very big impact on my view on how to act in this world.
mircea_popescu: why do you think this is exceptional in your case ?
mats: party A's rating of B has no value if both A and B are not in my L1
anton_osika: it is not exceptional. it is about interpreting contracts constructively or egoistically.
anton_osika: I kind of take it that you are quite constructive seeing what you create...
mircea_popescu: shinohai how the hell did she get that butt with the antiwalker device!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it takes tremendous athleticism to actually ride that thing
shinohai: Lots of beans and corn tortillas is my guess.
mircea_popescu: of the butt huh.
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2014 21:40:36; *: asciilifeform had a dream many years ago that his grandfather took an ancient grinding wheel from workshop, turned it upside-down, and taught him to ride it. and now people actually do something quite like this.
mircea_popescu is starting to think about this seriously. get the girls unicicle rides
ascii_field: top-heavy folks don't do well on unicycle
ascii_field: the roller board thing is easier.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8272 @ 0.00076416 = 6.3211 BTC [-]
assbot: musicForProgramming(); ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdL7yE )
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Is there anything that would make you pay the invoice?
mircea_popescu: a properly signed request would go a long way.
shinohai: Well anton_osika threats didn't work ...
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this?
mircea_popescu: how do you know i've not paid it ?
anton_osika: I would be honoured by a letter stating so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00076166 = 13.4814 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mkay. a second.
anton_osika: If you have time to add it, also stating when you might be visiting Sweden teaching a physics student things about life he would not learn otherwise.
assbot: dpaste: 1X3NP04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdMflY )
anton_osika: aka. what one learns talking to these people here..
anton_osika: ;;ident mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
funkenstein_: Will the real anton_osika please stand up, please stand up, please stand up.
assbot: German police arrest alleged IS recruiter wanted by Spain | News | DW.COM | 05.08.2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdMAVN )
mircea_popescu: shinohai aha.
thestringpuller: funkenstein_: that song was about slim shady not being a real person btw.
funkenstein_: yeah well I never saw his public key :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21672 @ 0.00076143 = 16.5017 BTC [-] {2}
anton_osika: ;;help
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
shinohai: ;;later tell davout btcjam kinda touchy aren't they?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "Website Screenshots provider, Snapito, was acquired by ShrinkTheWeb"
mircea_popescu: dat gdp.
anton_osika: !facts
mircea_popescu: im sure this is a "transaction" and tax is assessed and some bean counter counts beans under "us industry"
mircea_popescu: wow did disney actually make a "two lesbians" movie with the gypsy chick and a snow-white knockoff in which the male lead is this evil dude with "burn for your witchcraft" ?
funkenstein_: "fuck it, let's all stand up" thanks thestringpuller, I never had grokked it fully
thestringpuller: "turn off your electronics on the plane"
thestringpuller: everyone has their phone out
funkenstein_: wait, lesbians? I'm gonna go watch a Disney movie now for the first time in like forever.
thestringpuller: funkenstein_: yea, as mircea_popescu once said. "A lot to be learned on the street"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00075835 = 10.0102 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: West 'ignored Russian offer in 2012 to have Syria's Assad step aside' | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdPGcq )
ascii_field: mats: consistent with 'controlled chaos' hypothesis.
ascii_field: OPENLY espoused by brzezinski.
mats: I dunno that the west can control this chaos
mats: overplayed this one
ascii_field: mats: i will agree when there are isis patrols in washington.
ascii_field: and as i stand in the impalement queue, yes, i might agree
ascii_field: but the degree of control usg actually wants or needs is minimal.
ascii_field: does an arsonist need to precisely specify the shape of the flames ?
mats: yes, in the sense that arsonist doesn't set fire to all routes of own escape
ascii_field: again, i'm not seeing any beheadings out my window.
mats: isis doesn't need to destroy usg to survive
ascii_field: then in what sense is it a failure of controlled chaos doctrine ?
mats: their wealth, influence, and manpower is transnational, transcontinental, requires no fuel from usg to exist
ascii_field: 'radical islam' is a usg golem created to diddle ru
ascii_field: and it works.
mats: how is this a problem for ru? ru is largely ethnically and culturally homogenous, no?
ascii_field: how the fuck did you get the idea that it was ?!
BingoBoingo: Not on all of its southern borders
BingoBoingo: Also Cossacks
phf: russia is all white men wearing fur hats
mats: I frankly don't see how muslims are a problem for moscow.
mats: ru has no problem dispensing as much lead into muslims as can be extracted from siberia
ascii_field: that's the 'homogeneous' part.
ascii_field: mats: tell this to the corpses of ru folks who used to live in chechnia
ascii_field: or the people killed in bombings in moscow
ascii_field: plainly, there ~were~ problems dispensing the lead.
ascii_field: the reason for this is that ru could not take the standard euro approach of extermination, because it is not how it works. it absorbs.
trinque: seems quite clear that the encirclement strategy never ended
trinque: instead of NATO to the south, fires
ascii_field: why would it end.
ascii_field: ru natural resources are the west's sole chance of prolonging the party.
ascii_field: well, it and cold fusion.
mats: yet ru still properly stands, and chechnya bends the knee
ascii_field: mats: the degree to which it bends has been exaggerated for pr
ascii_field: these folks don't bend.
ascii_field: they sometimes die, yes. but regenerate much faster than euro people.
punkman: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snfa2n "JYA and Cryptome Keys Compromised"
assbot: TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdTGtt )
ascii_field: IT IS NOT SIGNED WITH EITHER KEY
ascii_field: it is signed with one of the new keys promulgated
trinque: http://cryptome.org/ << on the homepage too
assbot: Cryptome ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdTPNm )
ascii_field: where is the evidence that the author of this message ever possessed the keys claimed as compromised ?
ascii_field: the signature belongs to 0x4918FA4ED87D436C.
ascii_field: PGP Desktop 9.6.3 for Windows. << WIN
ascii_field head-desks
ascii_field: can has a cryptome NOT run by tards ?
trinque: gotta wait till $tardInt wraps
ascii_field: srsly, is it an impossibility to have a 'cryptome'-like site run by thinking folks ?
ascii_field: iirc mircea_popescu hosted some of the leaked u.s. telegrams at one point
ascii_field: i had the thought once that gossipd would make this item quite trivial to implement
mats: why not qntra?
BingoBoingo: Perhaps some sort of spinoff related to qntra
ascii_field: mats: because phuctor.
ascii_field: look what happens to a box that is even mildly interesting.
ascii_field: now imagine if it were hosting leaked launch codes.
phf: !up ascii_field
mats: the net's a vast place. so long as leaks are properly hashed, signed, and available in a public place, where it lives can be numerous
punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/15/2016-election-old-voting-machines-hanging-chad "Some states are having to go on eBay to buy spare parts for machines that are no longer manufactured. "
assbot: Hanging chad redux? US heading for 2000-style election catastrophe, report finds | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ou5kFB )
deedbot-: [Qntra] Cryptome PGP Keys Compromised, Revoked - http://qntra.net/2015/09/cryptome-pgp-keys-compromised-revoked/
BingoBoingo: !up analmaster
ascii_field: punkman: they run win-ce - all of them.
ascii_field: this is no longer even controversial.
ascii_field: people somehow got used to it.
ascii_field: many (most?) have wireless cards also.
punkman: relevant to ebay threads
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275410 << cryptome is not merely a place to drop arbitrary turds. there is curator.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:28:51; mats: the net's a vast place. so long as leaks are properly hashed, signed, and available in a public place, where it lives can be numerous
ascii_field: the curator is what distinguishes an interesting leak site from a public toilet.
punkman: I guess opening all those pdfs on windows machine paid off
ascii_field: curator not only selects interesting material but rejects obvious forgeries, etc
mats: qntra doesn't have to host the files, merely clearsig with hash
ascii_field: mats: in practice, if something is not immediately available, it is not part of the conversation.
ascii_field: except as a kind of amorphous mass
mats: mebbe can be accompanied with yandex search query of hash. and 1000 toilets with file.
asciilifeform: !up anton_osika
ascii_field: mats: this only works when a turd is famous
ascii_field: and is immediately mirrored
ascii_field: sometimes, not then, either (how many people are publicly hosting the hackteam dump ?)
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Thanks for the letter but I can obviously not open it. Would you mind encrypting it to me? https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&fingerprint=on&search=0x2CB59FFA3AB7A3EE
assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0x2cb59ffa3ab7a3ee " ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdYoap )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00075996 = 31.3863 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: !down anton_osika
punkman: anton_osika: you are better off focusing on fixing the broken backup
punkman: ;;ticker
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BingoBoingo: !up anton_osika
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Hola. I have never had the E4BC29F7 key. What is up with that letter.
assbot: Search results for '0x86ac5789f93ed2e7' ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke1XgT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00075743 = 13.7852 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes disappears again
assbot: appscript : status ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke2jnQ )
ben_vulpes: just sharing some lulz, phf
phf: oh pff, i might've done some ... questionable things in the past
ben_vulpes: > we had a ruby script that would use the rb-appscript gem to interface with Apple Terminal and run all of the dependencies in different terminal tabs.
ben_vulpes: why fork when you can automate the UI?
phf: right right, i missed that part (1am here should probably be sleeping)
mircea_popescu: anton_osika obviously it'd be encrypted to 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7. i thought that was you.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275346 << if only it actually were a hypothesis. but it's one of those things that anything's consisted with retrospectively.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 20:57:17; ascii_field: mats: consistent with 'controlled chaos' hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275353 << you are not proposing "an arsonist". there isn't another place for the us to go. you are proposing the arson school of home improvement. this, i've yet to observe in practice. outside of pashtuns taken into city dwellings forcibly, or, as the case may be, ustards forced into civilisation against their will.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 20:59:46; ascii_field: does an arsonist need to precisely specify the shape of the flames ?
mircea_popescu: think that hitler didn't manage to give democracy such a pair of black eyes as the us populace did.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275359 << bwhahahaha and ants are a ploy to inflate cement futures ?
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:08:37; ascii_field: 'radical islam' is a usg golem created to diddle ru
mircea_popescu: for one thing, radical islam predates russia, which incidentally in this sort of historical context is the kiev duchy not the moscow duchy.
mircea_popescu: ie ukraine-poland.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the truly junior partner in any serious discussion
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:08:54; shinohai: http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks_pie_chart.php hue
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (97%) on Yes, 2.91 B (3%) on No | closing in 9 months 2 weeks | weight: 92`522 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275363 << ru has seen on tv how "the big boys do it", ie, how the ustard makes everything about itself. would like to copy this to feel grown-up for once.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:09:14; mats: how is this a problem for ru? ru is largely ethnically and culturally homogenous, no?
mircea_popescu: in about 500 years or so of looking through doorcrack at table.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275461 << brzezinski ~explicitly~ spells it out.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 22:08:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275346 << if only it actually were a hypothesis. but it's one of those things that anything's consisted with retrospectively.
mircea_popescu: including a prediction ? link plox ?
ascii_field: not prediction. prescription.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5936 @ 0.00076416 = 4.5361 BTC [+]
ascii_field: it is in his dead tree, 'grand chessboard.'
mircea_popescu: looky. you familiar with that theory that you can't have a fighter jet as a birthday present ? same principle. hypothesis only exists as part of a triad : phenomenon under examination (or set of constraints ; or again paradigm or w/e) + hypothesis + prediction set.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275469 << the current thing is in no sense historically contiguous with anything pre-colonial.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 22:11:43; mircea_popescu: for one thing, radical islam predates russia, which incidentally in this sort of historical context is the kiev duchy not the moscow duchy.
mircea_popescu: there's no hypothesis on its own.
mircea_popescu: seems to me to be entirely contiguous with pre-ottoman times even.
ascii_field: hypothesis, correctly formulated, is 'u.s. is following mr b's 'grand chessboard'.'
mircea_popescu: like risk, the international game of intrigue ?
ascii_field: the phrase is his.
mircea_popescu: im sorry alf, i can't count this as anything.
mircea_popescu is more than happy to give credit where credit is due but this doth not constitute an item.
mircea_popescu: !up akkked
shinohai: I should make a lulz bot to archive the "best of"
shinohai: Evenin' pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: let us explain. in physiologically normal adult human females, the thighs touch but for a narrow space around the outer labia. it has a very specific shape that's pretty invariant across the ethnic groups.
mircea_popescu: so no, it's not "in between the thighs". it's in between the cunt and the thighs.
pete_dushenski: howdy shinohai
pete_dushenski: thunt gap (tm)
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: lelz
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275370 << o hey, we actually get to that. anyway, it's not so terribly different from how rome was a "nation". various actual nations in various states of digestion, also in various states of dependency, and an originator preserved in name only. the original latins were a tiny spec also.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:11:12; ascii_field: mats: http://galstonok.rusedu.net/gallery/3100/Moskovskoe_knyazhestvo_v_XIV_v..gif << the pink part is moscow duchy circa 1300.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so no, it's not "in between the thighs". it's in between the cunt and the thighs. << I think it started off as a tublr meme, small part optical illusion created by a slight leaning forward of the torso allowing the feet to be parted and looking as though standing up, because... ;tldr
mircea_popescu: mnah. stand the girl up knees touching. you should be able to insert two fingers in the space right under her slit. that's all.
mircea_popescu: (it's also how things like thigh fucking got started, which is how people "fuck" very young girls to this very day.)
assbot: Kendall Jenner, Khloe Kardashian and Beyonce spur new 'thighbrow' trend | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ke8cBc )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275382 << and africa. and alaska. and patagonia. and omaigerd, the us proper.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:15:04; ascii_field: well, it and cold fusion.
shinohai: The Kardashians are also developers now, so I guess that makes me one too.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mnah. stand the girl up knees touching. you should be able to insert two fingers in the space right under her slit. that's all. << Of course, but in the selfie era people find ways to photographically exagerate ala the FGAS
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:18:14; trinque: http://cryptome.org/ << on the homepage too
ben_vulpes: was that fox or colbert's satire routine?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes isn't that guy's name fox ? hence fox news ?
ben_vulpes: stephen colbert, boss.
ben_vulpes: don't put it past fox, ofc, but...that guy's a 'comedian'.
mircea_popescu: but he's the guy with all the idiotic "jokes" built around thinly veiled if deeply stupid agenda ?
shinohai: Joe Biden jokingly offered to be his veep if he runs for prez
mircea_popescu: that then spawned an entire school of "humorists", like you know, the equivalent of the nazi party agitprop folks,
mircea_popescu: who also thought they were pretty fucking cool and hip and whatnot.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but he's the guy with all the idiotic "jokes" built around thinly veiled if deeply stupid agenda ? << That's the Oliver guy
BingoBoingo: Or the Stewart guy,
pete_dushenski: oliver is a branch on the john stewart tree, same as colbert
ben_vulpes: not stewart?
BingoBoingo: Or there's too many of them
ben_vulpes squints at the tree of horseshit
ben_vulpes goes back to producing horseshit
ben_vulpes: hey guys
ben_vulpes: ever fill out a security assesment?
mircea_popescu: how about we just call the generic type fox and then i can think fox news was named for him and we move on ?
trinque: that colbert guy gave biden a lavish dick polishing on CBS recently
ben_vulpes: no because no foxes are savvy yo
mircea_popescu: oh shit.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: genre savvy
ben_vulpes: grunge savvy
ben_vulpes: grunt savvy
ben_vulpes: omgtehkittens
ben_vulpes: clearly pussyday at casa popescu
trinque: have yet to close
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275398 << well you don't yet know if run by tards or run by people who just got kidnapped etc.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:20:27; ascii_field: can has a cryptome NOT run by tards ?
mircea_popescu: in either case one should prolly regard the site as an entirely new thjing.
ben_vulpes: "is remoted access to networks protected?"
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:03:06; shinohai: "My gf said she was bad and needed to be punished, so I installed Windows 10 on her laptop."
ben_vulpes 's bullshit producer needs more booze
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12708 @ 0.00076725 = 9.7502 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275401 << there is exactly no beenfit in providing "the world" with any sort of service.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:21:53; ascii_field: iirc mircea_popescu hosted some of the leaked u.s. telegrams at one point
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274731 << hahaha. wd AND hilariously redundant title
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 16:22:59; deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b3
trinque: deedbot- barfeth what deedbot- muncheth
mircea_popescu: o look at that, short form keyids too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00076569 = 19.0657 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: dawg this crypto cutting edge is so fucking dull...
mats: bet still reads 'ETC' in description
mats: >Irrespective of traded price, this bet resolves as Yes if the total traded ETC/BTC volume ...
mircea_popescu: material error!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275427 << this is a good chunk of what i meant above about "the general public". fuck them, srsly, i should spend as much as a byte's bandwidth to provide derps things so what, derplife doesn't suck so bad ?
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 21:39:07; ascii_field: mats: in practice, if something is not immediately available, it is not part of the conversation.
mircea_popescu: let it suck worse.
mircea_popescu: the only immoral thing in this world is a derp that has things.
mircea_popescu: o hey, apparently ethereum had a "people can remotely take your eth from your wallet" bug sometime in late august ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00076735 = 9.8988 BTC [+]
shinohai: Yes I remember that, they were upset that I mocked them for it and said it was really a feature or something.
mircea_popescu: oh makes sense.
mircea_popescu: yeah, total feature. keeps the economy going.
ben_vulpes: bawwwww
ben_vulpes: wait ive got one too
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mircea_popescu: ehehehehe
shinohai: d'awww
punkman: I saw a dog steal an unopened bag of cheetos while I was buying some tobacco from a kiosk couple days ago. guy inside shrugs "what am I gonna do, chase the fucking mutt". I wonder if some bum trained the dog, it was wearing a length of string as a collar.
BingoBoingo: Nah punkman, If I were a bum training dogs I'd train him to steal the tobacco
punkman: tobacco is kept inside though
BingoBoingo: Dog can jump
punkman: dog was pretty sneaky in his approach too
BingoBoingo: What can be done with cheetos? They aren't food. Can't imagine they would ferment to something drinkable.
mircea_popescu: whyte guys can't say ho!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137999 @ 0.00077379 = 106.7822 BTC [+] {10}
ben_vulpes: lol what is that from
trinque: "Ho indeed Mr President."
trinque: o my sides
mircea_popescu: https://reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3l1o26/jameson_lopp_if_lightning_networks_become_popular/ << check it out. a tweet gets a buncha reddit upvotes. because why ? because it's from some schmuck (that lopp derp) that's being implanted.
assbot: Jameson Lopp: "If Lightning Networks become popular, running a LN node will be the first truly safe way to "invest" bitcoins and achieve positive ROI." : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUqKx )
mircea_popescu: remember how you never heard of X idiot until one day he's apparently a big deal and putting some real pro effort into it ?
mircea_popescu: that's how antonoderps are born.
assbot: statoshi comments on Jameson Lopp: "If Lightning Networks become popular, running a LN node will be the first truly safe way to "invest" bitcoins and achieve positive ROI." ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQUt92 )
mircea_popescu: and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire.
BingoBoingo: lol, This is not biology. Si Fab is closer to biology than this.
ben_vulpes is reading the 2013 pynchon—pretty lulzy lambasting of the dotcom shitshow + the idiocy of nyc immediately before the jetfuelcantmeltsteelbeams incident
ben_vulpes: Among the mystery vendors discovered by the resourceful Eric Outfield down in the encrypted files of hashslingrz is a fiber brokerage called Darklinear Solutions.
ben_vulpes: Who in their right mind, you wonder, would go into fiber these days, given the huge decline in new installation since last year? Well, back during the tech bubble, it seems so much cabling was put in that now miles of existing fiber are just sitting there what they call “dark,” and the result is that outfits like Darklinear have come swooping down on the carcass of the business, scouting out overinstalled, unused fiber in otherwise
ben_vulpes: “lit” buildings, mapping it, helping clients put together customized private networks.
ben_vulpes: What’s puzzling Maxine is why hashslingrz’s payments to Darklinear are being kept hidden when they don’t have to be. Fiber’s a legitimate company expense, bandwidth needs at hashslingrz more than justify it, even the IRS seems to be happy. And yet, just as with hwgaahwgh.com, the dollar amounts are way too big, and somebody’s putting up password protection out of all proportion.
ben_vulpes: ("Hey, We've Got Awesome And Hip Web Graphix, Here")
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire. << And now that we are making fun of Lopp'd off his penis qntra is being DDoS
trinque: ahhaa
trinque: *ahaha
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mod6: asciilifeform: ok, I've the the links part figured out: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
assbot: GRAPH_V ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )
trinque: mod6: very cool!
mod6: thanks :]
mod6: i think there is also some sort of mechanical way I can walk through my validated seals hash and perhaps somehow label the node who whom has signed.
mod6: i dunno, gotta think on it a bit on how that would look -- might just be a mouse-over or "alt" type of attribute.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00076735 = 19.3372 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: client security wants to know if we do risk analysis on "emerging mobile code"
ben_vulpes: myeah because coffeescript on node.js with mongodb and a half-baked orm wasn't considered a risk
trinque: what in the fuck is emerging mobile code
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 23:47:41; mod6: asciilifeform: ok, I've the the links part figured out: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
asciilifeform: but they prolly ought to be blue/linkified
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275611 << along with many other u.s. folks, i ~watched~ this happen with obama
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 23:33:35; mircea_popescu: remember how you never heard of X idiot until one day he's apparently a big deal and putting some real pro effort into it ?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> what in the fuck is emerging mobile code << Gentoo mobile
asciilifeform: he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election
trinque babbles incoherently about trigger warning
asciilifeform: just mentioned.
asciilifeform: 'the new up-and-coming senator, likely presidential hopeful, ....'
asciilifeform: mr. whatthefuck
asciilifeform: i actually misparsed his name, it was slightly mangled, 'who is baracko bama ???!
asciilifeform: distinct recollection, i asked the pet, 'what kind of name is baracko ?!'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election << 2004 during that Senate primary East Saint was covered in signs for the "heritage" anglo candiate for that seat. Literally every boarded up window had a sign. Obama still won.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275572 << i can see this perspective. but what i can't see is why operate qntra, trilema, phuctor, etc. if this.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 22:58:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1275427 << this is a good chunk of what i meant above about "the general public". fuck them, srsly, i should spend as much as a byte's bandwidth to provide derps things so what, derplife doesn't suck so bad ?
asciilifeform: or kako's logs
BingoBoingo: BLAIR HULL, that's the cracker who had the signs
asciilifeform: after all, they face the public.
asciilifeform: givin' out bytez for PHREE!!!!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> givin' out bytez for PHREE!!!! << But they offer PHREE humiliation to the public
asciilifeform: thing is, imho world is not made of us and of derps, or rather it ~is~ but rather like a mountain of lamproite
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i just uncrated my '92 incidentally
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the backplate is a little wobbly
asciilifeform: i am disappointed in the bizarre physical design of that
asciilifeform never had the 92 before
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mine has a pretty solid backplate, is the backplate switch in the "locked" position?
asciilifeform: i might end up putting some 3m double-sided sticky under it.
asciilifeform: my unit is a '92 plus' btw.
BingoBoingo: Huh, where did your some from. Mine claims heritage from "IMHS 40" "16"
asciilifeform: if yours is a plain 92, you can make (theoretically) rom cartridges.
BingoBoingo: Ah, mine is plain 92
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mine is unmarked.
asciilifeform: and looks more or less virginal.
asciilifeform: as in, no dust, no fingerprints
asciilifeform: no boy cheated on his exams with this one.
BingoBoingo: Mine has some scars
BingoBoingo: But beautiful screen
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: put lithium 'aa' cells in it.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if yours is a plain 92, you can make (theoretically) rom cartridges. << /me theoretically would kind of like to port this software to "Mac Classic" which is too slow to be useful as B&W Mac
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8286 @ 0.00076735 = 6.3583 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll get batteries soon. Has new chicom AAs and new chicom Lithium CR2032
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hah, apparently contrast adjust is different on this than 89
asciilifeform: works great.
BingoBoingo: Works like my 89 did to my best memory, green diamond
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what fw ver in yours ? i have 1.05, june the 6th 1999
asciilifeform: or rather, june the 2nd
BingoBoingo: I haven't found that yet. Prolly ought to order used book, because damned if I am trusting this to pdf
asciilifeform: your 89 book will suffice
asciilifeform: they are ~exactly~ the same but for the keyboard, iirc.
BingoBoingo: Sold 89 book with 89 back in college for booze money
BingoBoingo: WHen found out since my college did not do applied math did not need calculator
asciilifeform lolz at the external display port on the '92
BingoBoingo: I have to admit I kinda want to put some games on it and spend a day riding the Metro Link in St Louis
asciilifeform: it is more or less the perfect 'game boy' form factor, aha
BingoBoingo: Better than Gamboy in terms of screen by far
asciilifeform: play 1-bit audio through the i/o jack !
BingoBoingo: Seriously
asciilifeform: do the weird green electroluminescent backlight mod!
asciilifeform: relive childhood.
BingoBoingo: lol Gameboy was not backlit in any meaningful way
asciilifeform only ever saw it in pictures
BingoBoingo: I even remember the "front lit" accessory
BingoBoingo: Consisted of magnifying lens and lamp in frame
asciilifeform: btw magnifiers are old hat for tiny screens
asciilifeform: my grandfather had a tv (one of the early ru tv sets) that came with a gigantic flask you would fill with water and affix to the screen
asciilifeform: (which was perhaps a hand's breadth in side)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> but they prolly ought to be blue/linkified << I'll see what I can do about this. It's at the node level. So the entire node itself is linkified. I'm just getting into all the things you can do with this Graph::Easy thing.
asciilifeform: mod6: very spiffy though
asciilifeform: and belongs on therealbitcoin.org imho.
mod6: cool, thx. once i get it polished up a bit, yeah, will link it.
asciilifeform takes off hat to mod6, whose 'v' is light-years ahead of the old dusty original.
mod6: i wanna see if I can add a mouse-over label or something to each node to whom has signed each vpatch. which I think, with adding a custom attribute or something, I can do.
mod6 bows.
asciilifeform: THIS is why i wanted folks to re-write it
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where is yours !
BingoBoingo: AH, apparently there are projector peripherals for TI-92 and others
mod6: i wanted to just to ensure that I understand everything going on in there. it's a decent exercise programatically, but I'm not much of a python guy.
asciilifeform: i'd enjoy reading mircea_popescu's fortran or focal whatever 'v' too, even.
mod6: same!
mod6: thanks for writing 'v' asciilifeform; i really love this thing.
asciilifeform: oh hey if it isn't the ddos bot
asciilifeform: !up optimator
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 22:45:32; mircea_popescu: in either case one should prolly regard the site as an entirely new thjing.
BingoBoingo: !up btcdrak
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 23:34:47; mircea_popescu: and you can convince me it's a natural process by showing me naturally occuring steel lattice girders and meteors in the shape of chicken wire.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> oh hey if it isn't the ddos bot << Seriously they seem to be back without Phuctor to fuck with
kakobrekla: what gave it away, the name? :)
BingoBoingo: Nah, the smell
BingoBoingo: ;;google barbara streisand stink ray
gribble: Barbra Streisand - South Park Archives - Cartman, Stan, Kenny, Kyle: <http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Barbra_Streisand>; Mecha-Streisand 2010 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLbvOOt6Lrg>; 'South Park' recap: Episode '201' - Entertainment Weekly: <http://www.ew.com/article/2010/04/22/south-park-episode-201>
kakobrekla: as long as it wasnt the color of the bits.
asciilifeform: nah, it was smell & taste strictly.
kakobrekla: i can put a ban on it..
asciilifeform: sure. let's see who if anyone complains.
asciilifeform: anonyderps are meat, they exist for our entertainment.
BingoBoingo: Eh, maybe let them stalk here a bit and mebbe they'll leave britney-qntra alone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8723 @ 0.00076569 = 6.6791 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: ui programming is fucking complicated
ben_vulpes: whether it's the hepcat "rfp" or the mvc/mvvm patterns
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Do you want to know what an example of a truly elegant friendly program with a wonderful user interface is?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: cmus, if your UI is more compilated or intuitive than that of cmus there is a problem
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274828 << myup. see also : replacement for usg 'green building council', one Mahesh Ramanujam
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 17:25:43; mircea_popescu: srsly, the us is indian now ?
assbot: Climate change is a good thing, NOT THE APOCALYPSE, mkay? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWcmkz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78350 @ 0.00076265 = 59.7536 BTC [-]
assbot: Peugeot Fractal concept revealed at Frankfurt motor show | Autocar ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mqyl5K )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Looks like Tesla is getting smashed between actual car companies
pete_dushenski: totally. the baby porsche panamera e-whachamathing is gunning right for it.
BingoBoingo doesn't think the utility propositions offered by present electric cars measure up to the original Chevy Silverado hybrid
pete_dushenski: and hey, who wouldn't choose porsche over usg ?
BingoBoingo: Even the Peugot is gunning for Tesla
pete_dushenski: what utility of silverado hybrid ? the thing cost an arm and a leg and had the ground clearance of a camry
BingoBoingo: Once tesla revealed their hand was competing not on efficiency, but stotting Porsche had it
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> what utility of silverado hybrid ? the thing cost an arm and a leg and had the ground clearance of a camry << Worksite AC power, contractors loved it
pete_dushenski: for real eh
BingoBoingo: Seriously, more efficient than a honda generator
assbot: Porsche Mission E concept revealed at Frankfurt IAA 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWfIUD )
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You see that "open source car" company spamming press releases all over the news today?
pete_dushenski: yes, both are still epically stupid, atrociously poor investments and not a recommended use of finite capital, but hey, idjit gonna idjit
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: nah
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: They got a few interesting designs, like a "rally car" that looks kinda looks like a short wheelbase classic GTO... But they insert 3D printing places machine shop is certainly cheaper
BingoBoingo: Anyways I kinda though "sevenesque" designs birthed the whole open auto design environment
assbot: Smooth-riding sofa cars from £5000 - used car buying guide | Autocar ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqzwCe )
assbot: The ultimate status symbol. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mqzz0I )
pete_dushenski: or maybe i'm so vain that i see my fingerprints everywhere. hard to say :P
BingoBoingo: Hard to say anymore
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: sevenesque ? like lotus 7 ?
BingoBoingo: Indeed pete_dushenski
BingoBoingo: One of the most from the ground cloned cars in history
BingoBoingo: And often improved over the origina;
BingoBoingo: I mean what other single model of motor vehicle has another whole genera of near imitators
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81200 @ 0.00076265 = 61.9272 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: the 7 is hard to beat in that category
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: It is the standard for clonable vehicle
pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO9_ZjcWgAAMGXT.png:large << hillary's popularity, 2008 vs. 2016 races.
pete_dushenski still doing that 'objective observer' thing, yes.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: So far my investment in this election ends on this bet resolving as 'No' because whoever bet yes went with the very likely outcome, but did it with balls
assbot: BitBet - Rand Paul will get less than 7 minutes in Sept. 16th Republican debate :: 5.04 B (94%) on Yes, 0.31 B (6%) on No | closed 1 day 1 hour ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkQ9bU )
pete_dushenski: ya, that was a strong bet. matched only by the eth NO guy.
pete_dushenski: lobbymclobsiderson
BingoBoingo: I just trickled enough to discourge other 'no' money and then someone still put a million satoshis on it.
assbot: Let's stop telling newbies that they can buy an account to join sig campaigns. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWi7yR )
shinohai: top kek BingoBoingo
shinohai: Do sig campaigns actually pay anything?
BingoBoingo: ;;google the stock exchange holders on welfare
gribble: Stock Market Capitalism: Welfare Capitalism - Oxford Scholarship: <http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/viewByDoi/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199240623.001.0001>; Real Output OF Stock Exchange.pdf - Stanford University: <http://web.stanford.edu/~milgrom/publishedarticles/Real%20Output%20OF%20Stock%20Exchange.pdf>; JIBS Book Review - Stock Market Capitalism: Welfare Capitalism ...: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: shinohai: They did at one point, but Phillipenis and the cost of selling one's soul make it dubious
shinohai: I don't socialize there, I just lurk and read.
BingoBoingo: Socializing ended there when Pirateat40 ended as far as I can tell, since nothing but blood
shinohai: Doesn't seem worth it to me.
BingoBoingo: And /r/bitcoin is totally against citizens arming https://archive.is/fZqp1
assbot: I just finished setting up my local gun store to take bitcoin. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWiPft )
asciilifeform: shinohai: l0l what's the use, in usa. usg makes them collect names.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In that thread /r/bitcoin's attitude to arming and the calls for less arms
BingoBoingo: Anyways who in the US would by an arm from anyone other than a crack dealer? Gotta tilt counter party risk in your favor if you are going to take it.
BingoBoingo: "if only America was more concerned about gun regulation than Bitcoin regulation." etc
BingoBoingo: Not that the average 'Murican hamplanet could actually use a firearm in conflict with effectiveness
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71150 @ 0.00076265 = 54.2625 BTC [-]
assbot: StubNuts comments on I just finished setting up my local gun store to take bitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWkkKr )
mircea_popescu: awww teh ddos!!1
assbot: Cryptome PGP Keys Compromised, Revoked : netsec ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWktOe )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> awww teh ddos!!1 << And I've had a shit on Twitter piece sitting ready the whole time nao
mircea_popescu: let's hope twitter doesnt' go bankrupt first.
pete_dushenski: could be post-mortem
pete_dushenski: like shitting on myspace
BingoBoingo: BUT THEY MIGHT!!! SRS BREAKING NEWS
BingoBoingo: Though because DDoS I had to change "today" to "yesterday"
mircea_popescu: "somebody’s putting up password protection out of all proportion." wut ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28885 @ 0.00076265 = 22.0291 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ANd how does Cairo, Illinois get the "abnormally dry" marking on that map. They are practically living in Kevin Costner's "Waterworld"
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 23:56:44; asciilifeform: he was trotted out during a commentary broadcast re: the 2004 election
mircea_popescu: and yes, the comment was "mr nobody is prolly slated for something or the other."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was an instant wtf
asciilifeform: i watched it live, on a gigantic projector screen at uni of m
BingoBoingo: Popular sentiment here was how does the colored with a terrorist name with the Senate primary
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: [...] but what i can't see is why operate qntra, trilema, phuctor, etc. if this. << why not ?
asciilifeform: because 'fuck the public' ?
asciilifeform: i mean, we are serving up bandwidth and cpu cycles 'for nothing', no ?
asciilifeform: (but the way i see it, there is some amount of 'us' remaining to be extracted from 'public'. so there is a point.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58471 @ 0.00075703 = 44.2643 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: holy hell that '92' is spiffy. like having 'derive' that boots up in 100 millisec. i forgot how great this felt.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and this one has no fewer than ~three~ 'enter' keys. just to make various strokes shorter.
mircea_popescu: understand, the "public is worthless" argument isn't there to be wielded against me. it's just there for ME exclusively to wield against anyone else.
BingoBoingo: Seriously asciilifeform I am overwhelmed with the awesome. Also how goddamned many 2nd keys???
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56329 @ 0.000757 = 42.6411 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: so, "why aren't you doing homework ?" "i dun feel like it" "how come you're going out ? i thought you didn't feel like it ?" "now i do."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is easy, sure
BingoBoingo: 2, 2 keys to get to the gold functions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i was hoping to hear some principle, as in 'we oughtn't give away morsels to strangers except when f(x)=y'
mircea_popescu: i do not think strangers are worth anything anyway, and i don't think trying to find out how much they're worth is a sane use of resources.
mircea_popescu: the stable historical solution seems to be, "ignore them unless one in particular makes you horny. fuck that one."
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: but i was hoping to hear some principle, as in 'we oughtn't give away morsels to strangers except when f(x)=y' << Embrace the machine when y(x)=
asciilifeform vaguely recalls mircea_popescu once expressed interest in the notion of a multi-pgp'd blog
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3kzsk3/subscriptions_up_400_in_a_certain_censored/ << stolfi stumbles on "reddit makes up random numbers, displays them throughout the site", infers something about some dude he doesn't like.
assbot: Subscriptions up 400% in a certain censored subreddit : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWmMAF )
mircea_popescu: http://blog.onename.com/namecoin-to-bitcoin/ << check it out trinque, lots and lots and LOTS of people wanna be in the deedbot- business now.
assbot: What To Do When a Miner Controls Over 51% of Your Blockchain ... ( http://bit.ly/1OWmTwh )
BingoBoingo: So, interesting tidbit from this past weekend's fight undercard. First fight featured a competitor who KO'd as many opponents professionally as Money has won against
mircea_popescu: funnay how that worx
asciilifeform: What To Do When a Miner Controls Over 51% of Your Blockchain << reminds me of the canonical ww1 joke
BingoBoingo thinks namecoin would still be the best torrent tracker
asciilifeform: 'what should you do if a shell lands in your trench?'
BingoBoingo: ln 'enemy'
mircea_popescu: this "we've released many open source tools" is the new "would you like to read my poetry"
asciilifeform: -- 'jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.'
mircea_popescu: nobody reads shitty code from web derps.
asciilifeform: eh, virologists read it.
asciilifeform: once in a blue moon.
mircea_popescu: not his.
mircea_popescu: "it", in general, sure. never his.
mircea_popescu: just like, every year some men rape some women,
mircea_popescu: but it's never one of those "almost raped" wilty daisies.
BingoBoingo: My god, hwo the fuck could Mayweather's old ass justify making himself the main even in this thing. Rough two of the Gonzales-Oquendo undercard fight was spectacular.
asciilifeform: only when they travel to tahrir square and ask nicely.
mircea_popescu: even there.
asciilifeform: (every so often, some american 'activism' chick travels to an orc pit and gets drilled out several #s, and it makes the nyooz)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61523 @ 0.00075672 = 46.5557 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, it's a pipe saturation thingee, we see how long can keep it up.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phun phakt: you can natively do 1024-bit rsa on the '92.
assbot: Accuracy Information for the TI-89 Family, TI-92 Family, and Voyage™ 200 Graphing Calculators. - Knowledge Base by Texas Instruments - US and Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1G8EA )
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is because i made a comment on cryptome article explaining how one's not to discount the poissibility that the real guy was kidnapped
asciilifeform: why would they shoot him now, rather than when he was posting raw snowden2isms ...?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i wonder if this is because i made a comment on cryptome article explaining how one's not to discount the poissibility that the real guy was kidnapped << Would make a lot of sense. I was suspecting because we were mocking Lopp kid in chan again.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why would they shoot him now, rather than when he was posting raw snowden2isms ...? << Phuctor is down and they have idle udp to piss somewhere
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no idea.
asciilifeform: i suppose there is delay. perhaps i will be shot a decade from now and will have forgotten why !!
mircea_popescu: only right way to do it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima go have some icecream.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phuctor had a human plug-puller who is prolly making his way to where trilema lives
asciilifeform: or qntra, etc.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ah, plug pulling was especially useful against phuctor. Qntra and Trilema though have the pipe saturation weakness.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00076135 = 39.6663 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: another thing i'm a bit confused about is why a usg-sponsored ddos should ever let up
asciilifeform: what, evil empire can't afford 100GB/s forever ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what, evil empire can't afford 100GB/s forever ? << Can't because plausible deniaility
asciilifeform: what deniability remains plausible here ?
pete_dushenski: ;;isitup mpex.co
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: it is abundantly clear who and why
asciilifeform: at this point
pete_dushenski: ;;isitdown mpex.co
gribble: mpex.co is up
pete_dushenski: if you say so, gribs
pete_dushenski: just a bit slow
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it is abundantly clear who and why << Clear to whom? To the uninitiated it seems qntra posted this on /r/netsec and new audience sees site down assumes small and new qntra
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Consider we are the bass who swallowed the crankbait. Adversary assumes it is playing us on the line.
assbot: Wireless executive gets prison after BlackBerry leak| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1F1JffO )
pete_dushenski: as IF ceo of 400-franchise mobile retailer is leaking info for a paltry $2k/mo.
pete_dushenski: this is america, ceos are supposed to be one-percenters!
pete_dushenski: what kind of scam is this.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this ties in to the earlier thread today re: the sale of 0days.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: even if this schmuck had used bitcoin, and done so correctly, he still could not establish credibility to the buyer without revealing who he was.
asciilifeform: (perhaps i am thick, but i don't see how mircea_popescu's solution would work here)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14946 @ 0.00076135 = 11.3791 BTC [+]
assbot: U.S. Air Force cites 'alarming' Russian strides in air power | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1gpL4Hq )
assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 00:36:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237165 << i have no problem with s.nsa offering a catalog of 0days for sale in bitcoin. write it up.
assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 01:29:19; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-08-2015#1237481 << this is more difficult than mircea_popescu might appreciate. for one thing, i do hardware, where merely the ~fact of~ a usable hole existing is half the secret - once you say, credibly, folks know precisely where to look; the other half of it is that i am in the wot neither of folks buying nor of folks brokering; and the third 'half' is that an
pete_dushenski: schmuck's problem is being usian. full stop.
pete_dushenski: other issues are surmountable, but that usian thing's a prickly thorn
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << l0l, 'predators' will fly in usg's latvia. <<< But A-10's stationed in Romania. If only the US upgraded its highest performing Air-to-Air platform... the A-10
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'predator' is mainly an intimidation tool, rather than a weapons system in the usual sense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66598 @ 0.0007603 = 50.6345 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still scary that the A-10 is a superior air-to-air combatant to more expensive newer dedicated platforms
BingoBoingo: Who'da thunk armor beats stealth in the air
mod6: asciilifeform: ok, added the link colorization and a graph label
assbot: GRAPH_0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )
BingoBoingo suspects Tanzania is swiftly moving from joke to candidate for hardware #b-a
pete_dushenski: i thought it was tasmania ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75600 @ 0.0007609 = 57.524 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Was it?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274499 << nm. i just read and remembered what i wanted to.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:03:56; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this leaves who? tanzania ?
pete_dushenski: i was imaging this guy protecting the dc : https://youtu.be/dzPxndZGxt0?t=36s
assbot: Dr Devil and Mr Hare Clip - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1gpMHVz )
pete_dushenski: *imagining
pete_dushenski: "A woman is suing New York City after she spent eight days in a mental hospital because, she claims, police didn't believe she, a black woman, could own a BMW."
pete_dushenski: "When she arrived at the impound lot and told officials she was looking for her car - a 2003 BMW 325Cl, she knew there was something wrong as soon as she requested her vehicle. "I just felt like from the moment I said I owned a BMW, I was looked at as a liar," Brock told PIX 11. "They put me in handcuffs and said they just need to put me in handcuffs to take me to my car. And I said OK, whatever it's gonna take
pete_dushenski: to get to my car.""
pete_dushenski: "Doctors believed she was suffering from bipolar disorder, she claims, and tried for days to get Brock to admit she didn't own the luxury car. They also tried to convince Brock that she wasn't really a banker and President Obama didn't really follow her on Twitter, though both facts are true.
pete_dushenski: The worst part? She was stuck with a $13,000 hospital bill for the pleasure."
asciilifeform: mod6: it is very spiffy
asciilifeform: mod6: and ought to be on the www
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: wai wut
asciilifeform: what happened to titles ?
pete_dushenski: $13k is ~= to cost of her car.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: nypd happened
pete_dushenski: what do you think happened to mobile operator schmuck ?
pete_dushenski: not so different.
asciilifeform: mobile operator ?
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 02:39:07; pete_dushenski: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/15/us-usa-fraud-blackberry-idUSKCN0RF28Q20150915 << moar 'legal' lulz
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.
pete_dushenski: ah yes, the famous schedule.
pete_dushenski: you wouldn't happen to have a copy would you ?
asciilifeform: this here is that rare bird, the 'five-year plan' that might actually get met.
pete_dushenski: or is it in the 'do not share' stash with 0days ?
asciilifeform: it is being spammed far and wide. between the lines.
BingoBoingo: Fuck, much better undercard on the recent fight than pacquiao mayweather had
BingoBoingo: Seriously second undercard fight has a black swede
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1275760 << afaik this is known as "doing their research for free".
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 01:03:40; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Looks like Tesla is getting smashed between actual car companies
mircea_popescu: what noobs/wannabe's/children are for.
pete_dushenski: maybe that's where germany's gold went
pete_dushenski: spent by muskotron on electric car research
pete_dushenski: probably not a terrible use of the yellow bricks, really
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 20:25:14; anton_osika: mircea_popescu: you wrote the contract - the "long party" is the payer of the invoice". Nowhere does it state that the "long party" will need a PGP signature for payment. This is solely interpretation - and you are NOT paying for a future delivery contract. Do you have any rationale for this?
assbot: Logged on 26-08-2014 23:24:06; antonosika: BingoBoingo: the problem is that it is possible to argue that the deposit was not from the long party
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: and ought to be on the www << cool, added it under the links section for the time being. when I get the v documentation complete, etc, i'll create a section for V itself.
mircea_popescu: nah, you can't argue that. doesn't matter who it's from.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what is 'undercard' ?
asciilifeform: sometimes i half-wonder if BingoBoingo is posting from a parallel world
asciilifeform: not the one mircea_popescu lives in, but yet another
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO9_ZjcWgAAMGXT.png:large << the only thing this graph shows is the loss of relevancy of the measurements, and perhaps the infiltration of internet discourse by astroturf.
mircea_popescu: but mostly the former.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, he goes on to agree with BingoBoingo, that the sender is not the "long party"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The fights not in the event title. This event's title is Mayweather-Berto. And yet fights serving as the prelude much better.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron well that much is right. the sender don't enter into it, the long party is whoever can sign with that sig.
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> mircea_popescu, he goes on to agree with BingoBoingo, that the sender is not the "long party" << I never talked on who is what party. I just was on people with keys are parties. Without keys STFU.
mircea_popescu: i thought you meant the other way
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> sometimes i half-wonder if BingoBoingo is posting from a parallel world << Sometimes. Maybe?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00075636 = 4.3869 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: poor guy tho. it must suck to lock yourself out of what must in context be a fortune, have nothing but yourself to blame, and live among idiots dedicated to upholding the proposition you must find a scapegoat.
danielpbarron: I meant to point out that his latest interpretation contradicts his past
asciilifeform: 3 btc is a fortune now ?!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 80 nao
asciilifeform: iirc fella was in sweden
mircea_popescu: no see, we live in 2016. everything's worthless but for WHAT ITS POTENTIAL IS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45794 @ 0.00075595 = 34.618 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: in losing THE POTENTIAL of those magical 3 btc the guy lost more than a medieval man losing his soul.
asciilifeform: he could go and buy 3 more, no ?
mircea_popescu: but NOT THOSE ONES
asciilifeform thoroughly perplexed
mircea_popescu: "so what if you rape and kill her, she hasa sister right ?"
asciilifeform: mod6: laugh if you will, but that graph doesn't fit on my display
mircea_popescu: or, as in that epic ro joke, gypsy woman comes before her husband holding by the arm an incredibly dirty kid
mircea_popescu: "do we wash it or make another ?"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1275822 << mass = inertia. she can shoot more gun than you can!!1
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 01:40:34; BingoBoingo: Not that the average 'Murican hamplanet could actually use a firearm in conflict with effectiveness
asciilifeform: recoil-dampener aha
asciilifeform: sorta like the springs field artillery have
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << mass = inertia. she can shoot more gun than you can!!1 << plasticity of frame and mobility of weapon are over-riding considerations
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, hanbot, anyone else manually working through the patch history, don't miss http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
assbot: V_GRAPH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KdVBAp )
mircea_popescu: "A U.S. Air Force general on Monday cited what he called "alarming" moves by the Russian military to beef up its air forces in the years since the invasion of Georgia in 2008 and to establish firm defenses around areas like Crimea."
mircea_popescu: aka, intel's back, if we send bombers we lose the bombers ; if we send carriers we lose the carriers.
asciilifeform: the interesting tidbit in that one was kaliningrad
asciilifeform: aka königsberg
mircea_popescu: whole thing's pretty much a base.
asciilifeform: like sevastopol.
asciilifeform: usg, like any cheap thief, tries to steal what is bolted down poorest.
asciilifeform: it's next.
asciilifeform: expect a shitstorm re: how 'unfair' it is for ru to have this hongkong
mircea_popescu: nah. ironically enough it's actually being overinvested. they don't mind.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1275943 << this only WAS the case, briefly, a) because it enjoyed the niche created by "Steath" buzzstream, and b) pre missiles.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 02:58:13; BingoBoingo: Who'da thunk armor beats stealth in the air
mircea_popescu: otherwise... a-10 goes pop just as well as the space station.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> otherwise... a-10 goes pop just as well as the space station. << Pops, but into survivable, repariable pieces normally with pilot intact
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2015#1275960 << why the fuck would you go in person to pick up your stolen bmw.
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2015 03:16:48; pete_dushenski: The worst part? She was stuck with a $13,000 hospital bill for the pleasure."
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: laugh if you will, but that graph doesn't fit on my display << it kinda doesn't on my default width on my notebook either. i have to zoom out a bit to see the full thing. :/
mod6: on my default phone browser too, the text in the nodes seems to bleed over the boundry. but it's ok with FF on my phone, and FF on my notebook
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what, impound lots have delivery services in ro ? cuz this isn't a thing elsewhere
mod6: it says "make sure you're using v.18 of As_svg" and I'm using .23, but.. dunno yet on that one.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski generally you send a junior lawyer.
pete_dushenski makes note of this for future reference
mircea_popescu: cuz they're always fucking far, and always contentious etc. otherwise you blow a day.
asciilifeform: was this a case of It Was Always In My Family (tm) ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88650 @ 0.00075861 = 67.2508 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 21:20:54; mircea_popescu: now suppose i "own" the same, "in the family", but my family is a bunch of poor peasants from honduras.
mircea_popescu: no idea.
assbot: BitcoinXT firmly rejected by miners as 0 XT mined blocks in past week. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LfPRbm )
mircea_popescu: ". I would expect the big Chinese miner operations to already be compatible with big blocks."
mircea_popescu: redditard KNOWS the true meta-truth hidden behind the merely perceptible truth.
mircea_popescu: but i lolled at the davout / stolfi exchange.
asciilifeform: i thought the 'meta' version was where hearn ordered the nodes to lie and pretend to be ordinary phoundation machines
asciilifeform: (iirc he did)
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/IcLH6dl.jpg << dja know what the scariest thing about this pic is ?
mircea_popescu: that girl went "can you imagine wqha that smells like ?!" and i retorted "like nothing. none of that stuff rots."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that it can be seen on EVERY PARKING LOT
asciilifeform: in usa.
asciilifeform: for realz.
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