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assbot: ghtufjfjgjj comments on A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 586.41 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.48 TH/s
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 505.3, Best ask: 506.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.07000, Last trade: 505.26, 24 hour volume: 5294.87896913, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 506.98, 24 hour vwap: 502.965397866
TheNewDeal: wow thats a powerful trilema
BingoBoingo: I've come up with another theory... What if the government just wants to drive me crazier
TheNewDeal: sure you wouldn't be the first one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00069266 = 8.3466 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you gotta get out of the states, man.
BingoBoingo: If I hurry out not I'd probably find myself zipping into a duffel bag before taking a shower or something. Gotta let boredom encompass first.
BingoBoingo: You have to realize the most recent blog post was the most rational of possible self defense measures.
BingoBoingo: Any impression I might be intentionally hiding the connection between myself and my slave name specifically from law enforcement is gone.
ben_vulpes: lol slave name u so dramatic
BingoBoingo may have read too much W.E.B. Dubois in grad school
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8843 @ 0.00069315 = 6.1295 BTC [+] {3}
[]bot: Bet created: "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/
TheNewDeal: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 25737909372.3 based on data since last change | 24383282753.5 based on data for last three days
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 317512 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 32 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 25737909372.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.93988
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00082077 = 0.8208 BTC [+] {4}
TheNewDeal: seems like noone has set the statkes
BingoBoingo: !up stripykitteh
BingoBoingo: Hello stripykitteh
stripykitteh: Hello BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?
stripykitteh: I'm a small-time btc investor. I know (by reputation mostly) some of the regulars here. I was just wanting to see if one of them is active at the moment.
stripykitteh: ThickAsThieves
stripykitteh: It's OK, I'm not chasing him for money!
stripykitteh: Just trying to touch base, but it's not urgent.
BingoBoingo: ;;seen ThickAsThieves
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> distracted
stripykitteh: Thanks
stripykitteh: Might drop in later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 901 @ 0.00357458 = 3.2207 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: Just got the email in "[Slashdot] Your Slashdot submission is on the front page! Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers"
BingoBoingo: If anyone wants to ride the impending wave of traffic
BingoBoingo: Not sure how I like the editor retitling me to an "early Bitcoin user"
TheNewDeal: makes you sound seasoned, imo
BingoBoingo: But maybe next year the cutt off for an early user is exposure before $100
TheNewDeal: im not seeing it front page for the moment
BingoBoingo: It's coming
TheNewDeal: it's not a general thing like you think
TheNewDeal: it's like age
assbot: Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers - Slashdot
TheNewDeal: it's subjective, and relative to the age distribution in our environment
TheNewDeal: and bitcoin age is like reverse exponential. even a few months of exposure at the very beginning set you light years ahead of people like myself
BingoBoingo: Well, a lot of it too is the pain of not holding onto the things early enough
BingoBoingo: I'm going to take a walk up to the gas station and see if the conversation there turns out any better than reddit
TheNewDeal: reddit is a joke upon itself
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bingoboingo http://soylentnews.org
assbot: SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62131 @ 0.00069135 = 42.9543 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: thats the most interesting thing ive read for a while
pankkake: BingoBoingo what eventful day?
pankkake: I have trouble keeping up
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Oh, the FBI, treasury department. In my front yard.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ben_vulpes What about soylent news?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: supposed slashdot competitor, comments aren't very good either
Vexual: what did they look like? siezing coins is easy or oh fuck it's not ross?
BingoBoingo: Eh, they looked like two dudes in polo shirts dressed for golf
pankkake: I knew it. I never trusted guys in polo shirts
BingoBoingo: So about 300 hits from the /. in the first hour according to Wordpress
Vexual: niki minaj eat your heart out
pankkake: can't the guy send you a letter instead of showing up unnatended?
pankkake: that's just impolite
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well it was two guys. An FBI agent and a department of the Treasury agent
BingoBoingo: But yes, a letter or GPG signed email would be prefered
Vexual: that wouldn't have scared you into behaving in court
BingoBoingo: Well http://van-ads.com/venues shows only 0.01666 bid so far for advertising on the site today, and most of Murica is still asleep so... If anyone wants to hit that market...
assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29973 @ 0.00069051 = 20.6967 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6877 @ 0.0006902 = 4.7465 BTC [-]
assbot: LaurentMT/bargaining_protocol GitHub
assbot: [PoC][Draft] The Bargaining Protocol (when BIP70 met the Bazaar)
[]bot: Bet placed: 3.08800157 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 99(Y):1(N) by coin, 99(Y):1(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.18800157 BTC. Current weight: 99,905.
pankkake: lol, what's the point of this bet
Vexual: its a bet that bitfury wont get handed another $20 million by nye
Vexual: 40?
Vexual: ;;google 45dd silicone
Vexual: weirder shit happens
Vexual: mr avalon himslef is back hashing at ozcoin,theres hashes coming verywheres
Vexual: that haz my karma index up
Vexual: ;;seen truffles
gribble: truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <truffles> tell me when the experiment is over
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMQksXpQSk perhaps graet might open a pipe to iceland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00068988 = 31.631 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: sure as shit the guy has some capital losses
assbot: Schneier on Security: The Problems with PGP
pankkake: http://www.bortzmeyer.org/securite-facilite.html good article if you can read this glorious language
assbot: Blog Stphane Bortzmeyer: Scurit, facilit d'usage, et les utilisateurs non-informaticiens
Vexual: what does it say?
pankkake: some of my pet peeves, that the issue with security and encryption won't be solved by magical dumbed down GUIs
Vexual: no, the french one
pankkake: yes, that one
Vexual: oh
Vexual: namaste
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 852.12 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.15 TH/s
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: lol slave name u so dramatic << made me lol too.
mircea_popescu: methinks he is trying to appear crazier than i!
Vexual: that was bingo
mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah sorry vex, he's got you beat.
Vexual: really?
Vexual: i dont know
mircea_popescu: stripykitteh: I'm a small-time btc investor. I know (by reputation mostly) some of the regulars here. I was just wanting to see if one of them is active at the moment. <<< with a name like that, you know what i thought she wants. but then, imagine my surprise when a twist appears!
Vexual: im a bit behind
mircea_popescu: Vexual "you're not a little behind to us ; you're a large one" :D
Vexual: urd urd
Vexual: yes yes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Just got the email in "[Slashdot] Your Slashdot submission is on the front page! Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers" <<< if you had a podcast and made slashdot fp two times less, you'd practically be antonopopo guy.
mircea_popescu: but no, you had to go and ruin it.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I knew it. I never trusted guys in polo shirts << i never trust women wearing panties.
mircea_popescu: pankkake re the article, which is not bad if banal (sure, ease of use is completely orthogonal to the discussion , big whoop) the one question in my mind is why write in french if all the sources one quotes are in english.
pankkake: he wrote some articles in English, I don't think they had much following. I suppose it's because of the existing (significant) readership
mircea_popescu: but then... he shoul;d prolly translate the references ?
mircea_popescu: how are these people going to understand wtf is the context if they cant read english.
mircea_popescu: (don't mind me, it's like a point i've been doing a lot of thinking on so i guess oversensitized)
pankkake: it's more of a silly prideful refusal to read things in English. but since they started reading the main article, they might read the links
pankkake: or lazyness I don't know
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol at the b-a haters making throwaway reddit accts to shit on your post. THIS IS HOW TO WIN!
mircea_popescu: There once was a bishop from Birmingham who deflowered young girls while confirming 'em. As they knelt on the hassock he lifted his cassock and slipped his episcopal worm in 'em.
Vexual: gasp
mircea_popescu: There once was a clergyman's daughter who detested the pony he bought her 'till she found that its dong was as hard and as long as the prayers her father had taught her.
Vexual: oh no u didn
Vexual: regailing his life to his offsping
Vexual: a deadman was making an offering
mircea_popescu: These scions of the Noble House Kelley lived their whole life belly to belly because in their haste they used library paste instead of petroleum jelly.
Vexual: bwahahaha
Vexual: he got haldway through
Vexual: stepped in some poo
mircea_popescu: There once was a Duchess of Bruges whose cunt was unspeakably huge. Said the duke to this dame as he thunderously came: "Mon Dieu! Apres moi, le deluge!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19740 @ 0.00069193 = 13.6587 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: There once was a fencer named Fisk whose speed was incredibly brisk. So fast was his action the Fitzgerald contraction foreshortened his foil to a disk.
mircea_popescu waves at logreader peoples.
Vexual waves his log for no reson whatsohaveyou
Vexual: ejrtr do you find these gems?
Vexual: and what rhymes with offering?
mircea_popescu: smattering
Vexual: he said nah tin lids, im just jesting
mircea_popescu: There once was a gangster named Brown, the sneakiest bastard in town.He was caught by G-men shooting his semen where the cops would slip and fall down. << should be on bingoboingo's prison cell.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7810 @ 0.00069425 = 5.4221 BTC [+]
Vexual: laser scanner, 3d printer, latex: $2500
Vexual: passing bad check with the cop who hasseled you face: pricless
mircea_popescu: There once was a girl named Irene who snarfed up distilled kerosene, but she found a good bargain on a new hydrocarbon and since then she's never benzene.
Vexual: zingaling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00069127 = 3.1107 BTC [-]
Vexual: while patiently waiting to travel
Vexual: an asset'er dint unravel
mircea_popescu: There once was a girl named Louise whose cunt hair hung down to her knees. The crabs in her twat tied the hairs in a knot an' reached fame on the flying trapeze.
Vexual: and so shall my blog
Vexual: tell of you knobs
mircea_popescu: There once was a girl named Mcgoffin who was diddled amazingly often. She was diddled by scores who'd been turned down by whores and then laid out to waste in her coffin.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Vexual: polo maleets repla-ced by gavels
mircea_popescu: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla.
mircea_popescu: s/of/for
mircea_popescu: There was once a lawyer named Rex known for his diminutive sex. On arraign for exposure he maintained his composure : "De minimis non curat lex."
mircea_popescu: There once was a man from Nantucket who kept all his cash in a bucket. His daughter called Nan ran away with a man and as for the bucket... Nantucket.
Vexual: thats a goodun
mircea_popescu: There was once a miner named Dave who kept a dead whore in his cave. She was ugly as shit and missing one tit, but think of the money he saves!
mircea_popescu: There once was a sad Maitre d'Hotel who said, "They can all go to hell! What they do to my wife...why, it ruins my life! And the worst is they all do it well."
mircea_popescu: There once was a son of a bitch, neither clever, nor handsome, nor rich. Yet the girls he would dazzle and fuck to a frazzle, and then ditch them, the son of a bitch!
Vexual: hi nubbules
Vexual: jow many cougars did you ruin today?
Vexual: hiw much to shit to rural oz from rural canadia?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00068854 = 10.6035 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: !up mius
Vexual: panic
Vexual: one foot on the grounded ery time
Vexual: a cuntess describ-ed by vitrue
Vexual: whose diamonds wheres purplish and blue
Vexual: went to the wrong house
Vexual: the poor little mouse
Vexual: but exploded and took with her a few
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3752 @ 0.000688 = 2.5814 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00075001 = 0.75 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: not sure if i have enuff dev coin to cover all this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbWSExg47Y
Vexual: dtones no longer safe on earth, war is coming
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16398 @ 0.0006872 = 11.2687 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 805 @ 0.0008225 = 0.6621 BTC [+]
punkman: Βεξουαλ
punkman: o wrong language
mircea_popescu: lol it's not vexoual
mircea_popescu: it's prolly Βεξyαλ
punkman: we only got capital Y
punkman: it'd be βεξθαλ actually
mircea_popescu: there's no teetha in blowjob.
mircea_popescu: punkman what do you mean "we" anyway ? you're not greek are you ?
punkman: kinda yeah
mircea_popescu: well that changes things, i was derping with the squiggly letters in like articles and whatnot on the general understanding that nobody knows wtf they are.
mircea_popescu: ima have to get a different obscure alphabet now.
punkman: lots of them in the unicodes
mircea_popescu: ima start quioting raw, unadorned oriya
Vexual: please do
assbot: String Latéral Flash Rouge Alter
Vexual: the eyeshave it
mircea_popescu: ନମସ୍ତେ << namaste.
mircea_popescu: punkman you know what ? that's quite greek
punkman: is that oriya? irc client don't have enough font for it
mircea_popescu: may be the oldest cut in history.
Vexual: mine doeth but i can read it
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah it is
Vexual: *'t
punkman: don't think this cut works for underwear
Vexual: dont need it in the pradesh
mircea_popescu: punkman i mean literally, athletes 3500 years ago wore the exact garment.
punkman: orly?
mircea_popescu: pretty sure ya
mircea_popescu: well there were a number of cock dispositions, mostly consisting on tying it to one side somehow
Vexual: id wear trousers
mircea_popescu: trousers weren't invented yet.
mircea_popescu: actually skirts were not really invented either. it was either this or wear a sheet.
assbot: String Latéral Flash Argent Alter
Vexual: sheet then, but im thinking of today, not 3000 yago
punkman: mircea_popescu: they did a lot of sport in the nude afaik
mircea_popescu: well yes, but you still gotta do something with the dangly.
Vexual: let it dangle
punkman: tie a string to it
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/under-15-difficulty-increase-before-2015/ << anyone comprehend wtf the markov chains are on about ?
assbot: BitBet - Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 3.15 B (99%) on Yes, 0.04 B (1%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 days | weight: 99`765 (100`000 to 1)
Vexual: mining?
Vexual: its a thing
Vexual: moriarty fuck you arsehat
Vexual: ill spoon feed you kaka
Vexual: and take your wife
Apocalyptic: Vexual, is he still spamming his channel in pm ?
Vexual: no, that was for the other day
punkman: whos that
Vexual: sych affect
Apocalyptic: some random troll
assbot: Omar Faruk Tekbilek - Whirling Dervish - YouTube
Vexual: incite is okay
Vexual: what follows cannot be forgiven
Vexual: i will eat his marrow
Vexual: my dogs will
Vexual: ;;google alibaba mean tenderiser injectavle
gribble: No matches found.
assbot: Ukraine says Russian forces cross border in tanks, armored vehicles - The Washington Post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32151 @ 0.00069085 = 22.2115 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: chetty unless they start crossing in frigates and submarines, they've crossed it in everything by now.
chetty: someone should write an obit for the ukraine
mircea_popescu: may be too soon.
mircea_popescu: this is only the... hm. 5th time it's divvied up by greedy neighbours ?
Vexual: wait till south china sea blows up
Vexual: rocks with fish can cause wars
assbot: Platforma unui posibil partid conservator roman pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: guy put his message through gt, ended up rendering Hello I am David Chambers as Hello I am David Rooms.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2879 = 0.5758 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up yhwh_
Vexual: i mean that in the nicest way
mircea_popescu: !up antonosika
Vexual: konistakia
antonosika: mircea, I have been too busy to follow the updates on ethereum, but I feel like finishing what I started. How do you feel about a 2015 delivery contract?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8349 @ 0.00069281 = 5.7843 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: alright.
Vexual: blondie. rapture.
ThickAsThieves: I see I missed stripeykitteh
Vexual: shes not chasing you for moeny
assbot: This Bank Choked Off 3 Legal Enterprises. Is It Yours?
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu do you think it's worth legally pursuing kate-craig over these BTCTC bonds she's not honored?
Vexual: thats the shittiest bank ive ever heard of
ThickAsThieves: worth it*
Vexual: you'd need a third kinda lawyer
ThickAsThieves: well suntrust is southerners i think, they hate everything that happened after the 80s
jurov: kakobrekla lol where's it from? SAP?
Vexual: like trannies?
kakobrekla: lol dunno
antonosika: Mircea is it officially best to have all communication here in the chat for transparency?
ThickAsThieves: he seems to prefer that
Vexual: you what yo ulike antonia
antonosika: As you might have noticed my abilities on keeping up with irc are very lacking.
Vexual: ima dcc u somepin
Vexual: ooh u liek that?
assbot: Exchange war: list of crypto-exchanges
Vexual: cool shit tat
Vexual: never seen that
Vexual: ok coin changed 130000 bc for old money in the last 24 hours?
kakobrekla: cex has only 500btc volume eh
Vexual: yeah peole are well aware they might make off with te coin
Vexual: all kinds of lies
ThickAsThieves: yeah china bots it up hard
ThickAsThieves: but their order books arent any thicker than others
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcA9LIIXWw bad bullshit is bad bullshit, punishable by death
Vexual: im not isis, im just being realistic
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> mircea_popescu do you think it's worth legally pursuing kate-craig over these BTCTC bonds she's not honored? <<< generally getting judgements against deadbeats is not productive.
mircea_popescu: so depends what your definition of "worth" is.
mircea_popescu: chetty what's "legal" mean ? it's a police state, if the govt don't like you you're illegal, full stop.
mircea_popescu: antonosika yes.
antonosika: mircea how do we proceed?
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv93erCIYAAZhuj.png:large << is this "preparing a new generation of bright young coders to take advantage of the opportunities offered by quantum computing" ?
mircea_popescu: antonosika how much were you buying again ?
mircea_popescu: silenceisdefeat.com ? holy shit, bangalore marketplaces must have won.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 510.0, Best ask: 510.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 510.01, 24 hour volume: 6092.61347852, 24 hour low: 499.0, 24 hour high: 512.0, 24 hour vwap: 505.970175212
Vexual: i could drop by on my way to turkey to take my bride
mircea_popescu: ;;ident antonosika
gribble: Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: antonosika first step would be you get in the wot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.0006887 = 32.7133 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: paleh0rse comments on A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared
Vexual: lol
mircea_popescu: travel clubs ? dating services ? coin sellers ?
Vexual: bingo dont bullshit much
mircea_popescu: escort fucking services ? who is this nigger, a graft between everything johnson and carter had objectionable between them ?!
Vexual: he gonna swear on his wot, not the bible
Vexual: disasterous
Vexual: find the gpd within
Vexual: &gpg
gribble: Error: "gpg" is not a valid command.
assbot: antonosika +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
chetty: <mircea_popescu> escort fucking services ? who is this nigger, a graft between everything johnson and carter had objectionable between them ?!// hmm what happened to the gun shops and churches?
chetty: !up antonosika
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs 80 million hits per week, deal with it
antonosika: ;;ident antonosika
gribble: Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is identified as user 'antonosika', with GPG key id 86AC5789F93ED2E7, key fingerprint 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7, and bitcoin address None
antonosika: mircea I hope you apoligize me as a learning beginner.
antonosika: What's more?
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> generally getting judgements against deadbeats is not productive. /// that has been my position so far. "worth it" would be getting the bonds redeemed for the bitcoins, or getting a similarly valued pile of cash
ThickAsThieves: i dont care about punishing her or whatever
Vexual: loar
Vexual: how much i sit?
Vexual: is she mining?
Vexual: doge?
pete_dushenski: ;;ud daffodil
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Daffodil | Daffodil. The opposite of a whore. A girl who is always good and never does anything bad and never gets in trouble. They always act like angels and get good  ...
pete_dushenski: also synonym for modafinil, "an oral drug that is used for improving wakefulness in patients with excessive sleepiness"
antonosika: mircea Please continue about how to proceed.
pete_dushenski: from the nicki minaj lyric...
pete_dushenski: "He toss my salad like his name Romaine, And when we done, I make him buy me Balmain"
pete_dushenski: "I wanna see all the big fat ass bitches in the muthafuckin' club. Fuck you if you skinny bitches, what?! Kyuh"
Vexual: 20 million in 2 days aisnt no shit
pete_dushenski: and this has been your pop culture otd
mod6: poetry
Vexual: imma play it again
Vexual: the one without her vid has 10 mill bit thats 2 motnhs
ThickAsThieves: <+Vexual> how much i sit? is she mining? /// roughly $70k. god knows.
Vexual: ltc gon south lately is that old money?
ThickAsThieves: ltc will copy btc during time of volatility and then die otherwise
ThickAsThieves: for now at least
ThickAsThieves: i still think chinese are running some kinda btcusd ltcbtc scheme
Vexual: is that your anal isis?
Vexual: half a pill?
Vexual: cifermine is vetter off mining doge if they want bc
ThickAsThieves: they are better of mining gold
Vexual: ltcglobal and shit
ThickAsThieves: corporate espionage
Vexual: i watch the rate make no mistake
Vexual: you're mainly concerned with the bond?
Vexual: ill bring my spreadsheets to court if you spoof my fingerprimts fpr a visa
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
antonosika: Thanks.
antonosika: ;;gettrust antonosika
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw. Trust relationship from user antonosika to user antonosika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=antonosika&dest=antonosika | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika | Rated since: never
antonosika: ;;gettrust
gribble: (gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
Vexual: !up antonosika
antonosika: I'm a huge fan of bitcoin-assets and try to hang out here when I can. What is really needed to get auto-voice?
Vexual: scriptness at your end
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot antonosika
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw. Trust relationship from user assbot to user antonosika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=antonosika | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika | Rated since: never
pankkake: you need l1 or l2 trust
pankkake: ;;rate antonosika 1 bitcoin-assets +v
Vexual: are you suchwow?
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user antonosika has been recorded.
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot antonosika
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw. Trust relationship from user assbot to user antonosika: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=antonosika | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 10:56:36 2014
pankkake: now you just have to /msg assbot !up
antonosika: nope I am not
pete_dushenski: "People are freaking out on Burger King's Facebook page over the burger chain's moving its headquarters to Canada.
pete_dushenski: The American fast-food chain has agreed to merge with Canadian coffee and donut chain Tim Hortons."
antonosika: Thanks Pankkake.
pete_dushenski: lol such patriots those bk guys
antonosika: Are there any good resources for guidelines on giving away trust levels?
assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
Vexual: good dog
pete_dushenski: Russia Wants Bulgarians to Stop Vandalizing Soviet Monuments... to look like American superheroes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00068585 = 21.2614 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: pankakke, things have changed
Vexual: 80 million hits really kick sthe llamas ass
Vexual: 15% all year is possible
pete_dushenski: Vexual: big mebbe
Vexual: yeah big mebe big silicone
pete_dushenski: pankkake: http://www.bortzmeyer.org/securite-facilite.html good article if you can read this glorious language << mhm
assbot: Blog Stphane Bortzmeyer: Scurit, facilit d'usage, et les utilisateurs non-informaticiens
Vexual: id bet no
Vexual: but if it went the other way i wouldnt be too sursprised
Vexual: these people lost the marshall auction
Vexual: however 15% in december will melt some inut vag
pete_dushenski: who are "these people?"
Vexual: well whoever is buting hasg
pete_dushenski: i could see an average of 15% but that's an average
pete_dushenski: a hm not sure they're the same folks
pete_dushenski: i think the marshall auction loozers invested in exchanges and things
pete_dushenski: as they do
Vexual: yeah
Vexual: and they mine
pete_dushenski: there was that korean one, the mexican one, the indian one...
Vexual: korea gonna be playin elora soon
pete_dushenski: dunno. was talking about exchanges, payment processors, etc
pete_dushenski: i think the koreans will stick with starcraft for at least another 100 years
pete_dushenski: i don't blame them one bit either, it's not to be improved on
Vexual: how many korean play starcraft?
Vexual: 1% of those play shitty fuck on android too, its a big bad world
Vexual: i can dial up an multiplaey wad on my old nintendo and theres hundresds there
Vexual: !up Flerb
Vexual: !up Flerb__
Flerb__: Thanks
Flerb__: BTM's IPO just finished. Odd, buyers bidding really really low prices
Flerb__: Asks are at IPO price
Vexual: !down Flerb__
Vexual: !doen Flerb
Vexual: !down Flerb
Vexual: go back to denmark u horse fucker
pankkake: lol nice
Vexual: truth hurts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58638980 BTC to 15`044 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 9.61389968 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 836 satoshi per share
assbot: Flerb__ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
fluffypony: oh no way - Richard Attenborough died yesterday
fluffypony: !up Flerb__
Flerb__: Thanks, how do I get to "level 2"
Flerb__: fluffypony, I thought it was David Attenborough at first
Flerb__: What do I have to do to establish trust with gribble?
fluffypony: L1 is a direct trust relationship with assbot
fluffypony: L2 is somebody-assbot-trusts-also-trusts-you
Flerb__: OK
Flerb__: So I need to rate assbot
Flerb__: Or something.
Flerb__: I'm confused
fluffypony: no, the other way around
fluffypony: assbot would have to rate you
fluffypony: or someone assbot as rated would have to rate you
Flerb__: OK. So can you trust me?
Flerb__: *rate
fluffypony: what for?
fluffypony: I don't even know you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 110 @ 0.005 = 0.55 BTC [-]
Duffer1: are you Flerb__ or Flerb?
assbot: FBI issues warning about creative Google searches | CSO Online
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.285 = 1.425 BTC [-]
punkman: deego: But, really, this is not the only one issue. I have had so many attempts at id theft here and irl that it's annoying beyond belief and I just wish to frigging disappear from otc. So, please do remove my ratings, everyone. :)
Flerb__: Duffer1, both
Flerb: Now I'm Flerb
Duffer1: i mean which one are you authed as?
Duffer1: gpg
Flerb: Duffer1, Flerb
Flerb: Are you supposed to actually do something to get trust?
Duffer1: ;;rate Flerb 1 a for effort
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Flerb has been recorded.
Duffer1: you should be able to !up yourself now
Flerb: OK
Flerb: Thanks
Flerb: a for effort?
Duffer1: just a comment so i don't forget why i rated you
Duffer1: ;;gettrust Flerb
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Flerb!~Willdude1@unaffiliated/willdude123. Trust relationship from user Duffer1 to user Flerb: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Duffer1&dest=Flerb | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Flerb | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 12:34:19 2014
ben_vulpes: damn BingoBoingo you're racking up the hits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6497 @ 0.00068747 = 4.4665 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 54 @ 0.0370184 = 1.999 BTC [-] {6}
kakobrekla: !up Flerb
Flerb: Thanks
Flerb: Didn't need it now though
ben_vulpes: now that's programming with time as a first class principle!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 49 @ 0.04940815 = 2.421 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00250591 = 0.5012 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.27094569 = 12.7344 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2672 = 1.0688 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13775 @ 0.00068757 = 9.4713 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1449 @ 0.00083251 = 1.2063 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1707 @ 0.00085265 = 1.4555 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Flerb +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
Apocalyptic: !up Flerb
Flerb: Thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1277 @ 0.000861 = 1.0995 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Flerb
Flerb: Thank you
assbot: Operation Fabulous: Advertise with bitcoins.
assbot: We're Still Here! - Operation FabulousOperation Fabulous
jurov: antonosika: you do SEPA?
assbot: Flerb +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
antonosika: jurov: I do. Why?
fluffypony: ;;ud Charzarding
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Charzarding | Oct 5, 2010 ... Charzarding is when you light a girls pubes on fire then put it out with your jizz and flap your arms saying "you do not have enough badges to ...
BingoBoingo: !up Flerb
danielpbarron: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: hey Daniel
BlueMeanie4: its a good article by preston byrne
danielpbarron: who is this preston byrne guy and is he in here already?
BlueMeanie4: he's a lawyer that deals in crypto space
assbot: In which we teach basic reading comprehension to a certain Mr. Preston Byrne pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BlueMeanie4: that whole gang of people are just making big problems
danielpbarron: i had a feeling i saw that name somewhere
BlueMeanie4: they kicked Charles out of ethereum then announce a partnership with his other project
BlueMeanie4: that doesnt sound sketchy at all, right?
BlueMeanie4: what happened to Mastercoin?
BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne?
danielpbarron: might want to use a ;;later tell -- he's not logged in at the moment
fluffypony: lol mastercoin
BlueMeanie4: you guys are IRC geniuses around here
BlueMeanie4: Vitalik was invovled in Mastercoin too, seems ppl forget that
BlueMeanie4: onto the next P&D
danielpbarron: i never liked mastercoin; counterparty always seemed like the better choice (putting aside the idiocy of a decentralized exchange)
BlueMeanie4: the ppl at counterparty are at least reliable
BlueMeanie4: yes there are flaws with their ideas, but it can be used for some things
danielpbarron: i'm getting use out of it
BlueMeanie4: yes their claims are reliable, which is important
danielpbarron: like how a boy gets use out of a toy truck
BlueMeanie4: ha yes
BlueMeanie4: good metaphor
BlueMeanie4: it can't be used for serious money making
BlueMeanie4: but Bitshares is just a nightmare con job
BlueMeanie4: re. counterparty- they are blazing the trail- let them do it and spend someone else money :)
BlueMeanie4: Rome wasnt built in a day
danielpbarron: the counterparty devs probably made out well with that project; the price of XCP is well over the initial burn price
BlueMeanie4: im sure they brought some in, it's not a crime
fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book"
assbot: Action Comics 1 June 1938 Superman 039 s Debut CGC 9 0 Perfect White Pages | eBay
fluffypony: that's going to be a fun PayPal dispute
BlueMeanie4: i owned TMNT #1 at one point. sold it.
danielpbarron: ;;echo BlueMeanie4, get in the WoT! [eregister]
gribble: BlueMeanie4, get in the WoT! (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00068663 = 30.5894 BTC [-] {2}
BlueMeanie4: so what keyserver do i use/
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Is Coinroll the 3rd Van Customer, or have people other than Mircea and Myself been buying ads?
danielpbarron has been considering buying an ad
danielpbarron: also considering buying nubbins`'s new print
danielpbarron: ;;later tell nubbins` you accept PPUSD for payment?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, whichever key-server is used as the default for gnupg (i think)
danielpbarron: !up BlueMeanie4
BingoBoingo: Oh, 4th customer. Forgot WoL
assbot: SKS OpenPGP Public Key Server
danielpbarron: at least, that's the one -otc references with ;;gpg info
assbot: Your own Fort Knox. http://t.co/KWtYswD7e0
danielpbarron: stupid assbot, this is the main part: "@danielpbarron I suspect I am beyond redemption on #bitcoin-assets. Send everyone my regards though."
BlueMeanie4: eregister BlueMeanie4 0x51587535
danielpbarron: ;;echo BlueMeanie4, don't forget the ;;
gribble: BlueMeanie4, don't forget the ;;
danielpbarron: also, leave out the 0x
BlueMeanie4: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 0x51587535
gribble: Error: '0x51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
BlueMeanie4: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 51587535
gribble: Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
danielpbarron: and leave out the 515... too; you want the last 16 or 8 characters
BlueMeanie4: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 0x51587535 ;;
gribble: Error: '0x51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
danielpbarron: the key id is the last 8 characters of the fingerprint
danielpbarron: ah, it wants long form
BlueMeanie4: last 8 chars of the fingerprint?
danielpbarron: last 16
BlueMeanie4: the fingerprint is 1FD2 7380 0859 479E AE75 77AD DCB3 74BF 5158 7535
danielpbarron: so try this: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535
BlueMeanie4: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535 ;;
gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)
danielpbarron: don't end with ;;
BlueMeanie4: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
assbot: SKS OpenPGP Public Key Server
BlueMeanie4: this is very user friendly
BlueMeanie4: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 51587535
gribble: Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
BlueMeanie4: yes the key is up there
danielpbarron: where did you upload it?
BlueMeanie4: i see it on the web page
assbot: No results found
BlueMeanie4: no its up there
BlueMeanie4: isee the key
TheNewDeal: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla. << mircea_popescu could you introduce me to this woman
BlueMeanie4: weird now it doesnt show up!
danielpbarron: try now
danielpbarron: apparently gribble doesn't use the keyserver he links to
danielpbarron: i just uploaded your key to http://pgp.mit.edu/
assbot: MIT PGP Key Server
BlueMeanie4: how did you get the key?
danielpbarron: it's... public!
BlueMeanie4: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 51587535
gribble: Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
danielpbarron: longform
BlueMeanie4: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535
gribble: Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535
thestringpuller: aw i wanted to bash that
danielpbarron: you can custom bash
assbot: Need a number of lines.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
danielpbarron: i mean copy paste it yourself
BlueMeanie4: ok so now ive got some hash string?
danielpbarron: ;;echo BlueMeanie4, when you get the challenge string, use this command: [everify]
gribble: BlueMeanie4, when you get the challenge string, use this command: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
BlueMeanie4: that was fun
BlueMeanie4: this system is usable by about 20 people all of them have PhDs
danielpbarron: it's usable by those who are worth talking to
danielpbarron: if you can't do these basic things then why are you in Bitcoin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3842 @ 0.00068905 = 2.6473 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: anyway, finish it! ;;everify your-decrypted-challenge-string
BlueMeanie4: that's MPs take as well it seems
danielpbarron: it should be anyone's take who has a brain and doesn't like wasting it
danielpbarron: in my own experience, it's not worth getting people into Bitcoin that can't do these things
danielpbarron: they will need endless hand-holding and are constant sources of drama
BlueMeanie4: MSFT divides users into 4 groups
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, finish authing!! you are so close!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 239 @ 0.00278915 = 0.6666 BTC [+]
BlueMeanie4: i think this goes back to ancient times really, so did the romans
BlueMeanie4: what do i need to do now?
danielpbarron: scroll up; I explained already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28399999 = 0.852 BTC [+]
TomServo: +BlueMeanie4 | MSFT divides users into 4 groups << eh?
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify 840654f07c4296bd320ea97d2bff00e45b255d6e8185964e8585a5e8
gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
danielpbarron: that's not the right one..
danielpbarron: where did you find that?
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:840654f07c4296bd320ea97d2bff00e45b255d6e8185964e8585a5e8
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535
assbot: Blue Meanie (BlueMeanie4) auf Twitter
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.
assbot: Snoopy's Happy Dance! - YouTube
danielpbarron: now you can rate and be rated
BlueMeanie4: excellent
BlueMeanie4: yes MSFT divided users into 4 tiers
jurov: antonosika: still buying?
assbot: Artificial Intelligence May Doom The Human Race Within A Century, Oxford Professor Says
jurov: How to control superintelligent AI is really the most important task of our time -- yet, it is almost completely ignored.
jurov: got me a few good chuckles
jurov: Cognitive enhancement could take place through collective cognitive ability -- the Internet, for example, and institutional innovations that enable humans to function better together. In terms of individual cognitive enhancement, the first thing likely to be successful is genetic selection in the context of in-vitro fertilization. I don't hold out much for cyborgs or implants.
jurov: hue
antonosika: jurov: I guess. 5000 ether/btc
antonosika: What do you think about ethereum?
jurov: i don't sniff ether. i prefer euros
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> i'm getting use out of it << what are ya doing with cp?
asciilifeform: lol re: the notion of 'controlling' a hypothetical 'superintelligent' machine.
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> ben_vulpes: Is Coinroll the 3rd Van Customer, or have people other than Mircea and Myself been buying ads? << the former
ben_vulpes: oh yeah, wol.
ben_vulpes: never forget!
BingoBoingo: Yeah, later I remembered the WoL buy
assbot: BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
jurov: !up BlueMeanie4
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: tell preston he's not a lost cause
BlueMeanie4: jurov, asking me?
jurov: coinroll's just trying for few days
jurov: BlueMeanie4 no just noticed you were trying
assbot: Teva recalls Parkinson's disease drug because it may be 'superpotent' - FiercePharma Manufacturing
ThickAsThieves: does it cause superdepression leading to actors killing themselves?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: This drug works the opposite direction, gets converted to Dopamine in vivo
BingoBoingo: Not effects Dopamine, is a precursor for dopamine
danielpbarron: 04:00 <+ben_vulpes> <danielpbarron> i'm getting use out of it << what are ya doing with cp? << this: http://danielpbarron.com/MEAT/
assbot: MEAT
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 24h-Vol: 2k High: 175 Low: 175 VWAP: 174
assbot: Electromagnetic Warfare Is Here - IEEE Spectrum
BlueMeanie4: Daniel- thanks for the help friend
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, you're welcome
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/prestonjbyrne/status/504362441082683393 Sweet salvation! Might pop on a bit later tonight. << Preston Byrne might join later :D
assbot: Your own Fort Knox. http://t.co/KWtYswD7e0
ThickAsThieves: it sure is hard to book a US flight that isnt somehow connected to US Airways sometimes...
BlueMeanie4: as soon as I see the word 'webinar' im turned off
ThickAsThieves: it's frustrating to have to pick them
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: It's like any other thing. Most of them are absolute shit, but occasionally you get one by an actual expert on an actual subject. There was actually a nice OpenBSD one done by Micheal W. Lucas for O'Reilly
BlueMeanie4: they use the term 'webinar' to make you think its' something more important than some lame video someone churned out
dignork: If you meantion Preston, i guess you read this: http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/17/dont-walk-away-run/
assbot: BitShares: Don’t walk away. Run | Preston Byrne
dignork: *mention
assbot: BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: dignork Daniel and I were reading that this morning
danielpbarron: wow, now warriorforum won't let me link to other people's sites in my signature
danielpbarron: now i gotta go and rewrite my "home-page"
BingoBoingo: Beautiful kakobrekla, keep us updated if there is a further reply
jurov: mircea says crapre diem?
kakobrekla: made up on spot.
jurov: wd
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust DEVOPS
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user DEVOPS: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=DEVOPS | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DEVOPS | Rated since: never
thestringpuller: !s bithub
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 719 @ 0.00089996 = 0.6471 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: lol kakobrekla
assbot: BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: so where are the contracts describeD
jurov: what contracts?
BlueMeanie4: cant i make options and futures contracts on here?
danielpbarron: ya, just type it up and clearsign it with your PGP key; get the other guy to sign that
dignork: BlueMeanie4: if you want existing future contract see here: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR
assbot: X.EUR last 625@0.00233000
BlueMeanie4: ok so who thinks BTC is going up?
BingoBoingo: Eventually
BlueMeanie4: so what kind of contract would you do then?
danielpbarron: i'd be interested in some sort of deal where I buy BTC at today's price next year
BlueMeanie4: thats a call option
BlueMeanie4: do you do stock trading?
danielpbarron: a little
BlueMeanie4: ok for a test
BlueMeanie4: the issue is you need to price the option
BlueMeanie4: its a not so simple equation
xmj: you know BlueMeanie4
xmj: it's not an option
xmj: We cal that Future.
xmj: or, Forward, when done OTC.
BlueMeanie4: a future is similar, but it delivers the actual asset and the price is paid down in full
BlueMeanie4: so an option is the ABILITY not the OBLIGATION to buy
BlueMeanie4: a FUTURE is pre-paying for an asset
BlueMeanie4: so i would do a small BTC future just for kicks
xmj: BlueMeanie4: which is what I understood danielpbarron meant.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: There once was a she named Priscilla << but it'
mircea_popescu: s not a woman. it's a chinchilla
BlueMeanie4: 'buy BTC at a preset price in the future' is an option
xmj: nop
xmj: it doesn't specify that you have the right not to buy said amount of BTC.
mircea_popescu: antonosika aite, let's see here.
BlueMeanie4: you should try to conform to common terminology- makes it easier for people to get invovled
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well it doesn't help that he doesn;'t really know the common terminology.
assbot: The International Financial Markets: 9780444015983: Economics Books @ Amazon.com
BlueMeanie4: the author is right up your guys alley
mircea_popescu: what alley is that ?
BlueMeanie4: the one in the backside of the NYSE where hookers hang out?
BlueMeanie4: have you ever read J. Orlin Grabbe?
BlueMeanie4: Options and Futures are pretty simple
BlueMeanie4: not hard to learn, but the complex structured instruments are not that easy to figure out
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 yes, actually.
BlueMeanie4: he's pretty *intense*
mircea_popescu: he was with the laissez faire troop neh ?
mircea_popescu: died in cr ?
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
mircea_popescu: listen, you got to get in the wot if you keep coming by.
BlueMeanie4: im in the wot
BlueMeanie4: just did it
mircea_popescu: ;;ident BlueMeanie4
gribble: Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is identified as user 'BlueMeanie4', with GPG key id DCB374BF51587535, key fingerprint 1FD273800859479EAE7577ADDCB374BF51587535, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 Marx sez : never trust a capitalist.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.
antonosika: mircea_popescu: Thanks for writing the contract, my take is that you see no way of making it possible for me to avoid waiting till september 2015 for the eth and avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade?
BlueMeanie4: thanks to Daniel btw
BlueMeanie4: so who adjudicates the contracts?
mircea_popescu: antonosika "avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade" << what;s this mean ?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you ever read up on the fabulous adventure of teh rota ?
BlueMeanie4: dont believe i have
BlueMeanie4: but did read a bit on JOGs death in CR
mircea_popescu: it's lulzy. http://trilema.com/category/rota/ << read those, ask me again.
assbot: Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: <<< lived in cr until 2007ish
antonosika: mircea_popescu: I deem that ethereum will trade in 100 btc in one year, but in the chance that it does not I have an infinite loss of capital (which is a lot since I dont have much).
mircea_popescu: antonosika kinda the purpose of these contracts.
mircea_popescu: !up rybro
antonosika: well purpose is that you buy eth cheaply in one year though...
mircea_popescu: the purpose is to gain exposure to eth. you can't have the exposure without the exposure.
antonosika: how about you donate the 3 btc to something nice if contract fails ?
antonosika: Both of us win...
mircea_popescu: i donate to whatever the hell i feel like with or without that contract lol
mircea_popescu: recall, im the openbsd guy.
rybro: tell me eth is ethanol and not ethereum
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TomServo: !b 7
mircea_popescu: no, it's ethereum
rybro: yeah i knew it :P
antonosika: Ehum I want to make deals with nice people.
rybro: seems like they do cool stuff by why so shady
mircea_popescu: because they only claim to do cool stuff. anyone can claim to do cool stuff.
antonosika: I deposit 3 btc to you. Isn't it fair that we decide something nice that happens with it if there is a large delay of ETH currency?
mircea_popescu: antonosika that approach to business will ensure you'll squander whatever little capital you have.
mircea_popescu: best idea is to work with smart people.
antonosika: Smart people have good values, so If you have a good suggestion of what to donate my btc to I would regard you as smarter
mircea_popescu: "nice" people are rarely worth the price of a decent burial, clothes included, and i very much doubt they ever should be.
mircea_popescu: o you would, would you.
antonosika: I'm really interested, what is your philosophy on life?
BlueMeanie4: Mircea, totally agree
rybro: total logical fallacy man, unless you define what 'good' people are for all parties involved there are definitely going to be differences in opinion on what a 'good' person is and what a good action is on their part
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/fb3v4nFL << kakobrekla i see yours and i raise you wtf is this shit.
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rybro: everyone is too brainwashed to have principles anyway
BlueMeanie4: well as we say in NY
BlueMeanie4: PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS
mircea_popescu: rybro he's talking nice not good.
mircea_popescu: antonosika my philosophy in life is that all ills arise from people like you having any money and any voice, basically.
mircea_popescu: what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot.
rybro: wouldn't nice be just as subjective as good ?
mircea_popescu: rybro nah, it's worse.
mircea_popescu: good is a matter of reason at least to some degree. nice is pure sensata crapolade.
BlueMeanie4: what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot.< we also have another phrase , getting 'Gypped'
mircea_popescu: a point established by considering that one has to reason to discover the good, whereas one just "feels" the nice. which approach is exactly why nice rather than good, why all that intellectual effort
rybro: lol
rybro: all i can think of is susan korman and that pink ribbon breast cancer thing
antonosika: mircea_popescu: My approach is definitely not "feels good" nice
mircea_popescu: antonosika well then you get a free pass.
antonosika: mircea_popescu: But, do you have a definition of deeds that are the opposite of ill?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well it's not necessarily defined, but to me gypped is the inverse process : when some lout appropriates capital he shouldn't have.
mircea_popescu: antonosika lessee, maybe this is relevant to your interests http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/
assbot: Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BlueMeanie4: 'shouldnt have' according to whom?
BlueMeanie4: my guess is the one who lost the capital
mircea_popescu: well that's where it gets iffy.
BlueMeanie4: thats where it gets gyppy :)
antonosika: I would not donate to charity. But anyhow, if you deem some things as ill (such as charity) some people do things that are not ill (like you for example?) what would such deeds be?
mircea_popescu: "Media coverage of new technologies is always governed by an inexorable cycle: First comes the hyping, then comes the trashing. Of late, the Net has so accelerated this cycle that the trashing kicks in well before the hype has stopped — sometimes creating a conflict of views that looks suspiciously like genuine debate."
mircea_popescu: http://www.salon.com/1997/03/06/straight_59/ << dude check out salon in 1997, back before it was hiring college dropouts for a hamburger.
assbot: Let's Get This Straight: March 1997 archives - Salon.com
mircea_popescu: antonosika you generally can't expect a summary of such things be presented to you on demand. there's about 2 years worth of logs here and >5 of trilema articles, you'll have to go through all that to find your own answer.
mircea_popescu: As companies like Pointcast, Marimba’s Castanet, Backweb, Intermind and others flock to seize “push” market-share, they have been feted by the business press, welcomed by media companies who hope “push” will help them make money, even lauded by Wired magazine as “the radical future of media beyond the Web.” <<< all winners :D
mircea_popescu: In August 1998, PointCast found such a partner. In order to compete with @Home, a consortium of telephone companies and Microsoft put together a project designed to promote use of DSL in preference to cable modems. <<< has there EVER been a technology battle where ms fell on the right side ?
antonosika: Well you said that it would be better if I had no money or voice since I will never do anything good. It feels like that gives a rather strict definition of good.
antonosika: If I read logs or articles I don't know what things have any "value" and what are just writings.
mircea_popescu: well this problem is chiefly reflective of you not having done a lot of it yet.
antonosika: At least your philosphy doesnt sound like nihilism
mircea_popescu: you can't start by doing good. you start by doing work, a lot of it, then you see.
mircea_popescu: !up Brigadie-
antonosika: Ehum, any guidelines?
antonosika: Ok...
antonosika: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user antonosika to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=antonosika&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, a complete collection of grabbe would probably be useful at this point. he doesn't seem to have any web exposure.
mircea_popescu: you still got those usenet archives ?
antonosika: mircea_popescu: Anyways, one thought on doing more good is to make it easier for those naive souls (as myself) who want to understand to learn.
mircea_popescu: !up BitMarmot
mircea_popescu: !up rdekley
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot are you really a marmot ?
antonosika: But at least I can do business with you.
fluffypony: <- really a pony
mircea_popescu: antonosika nothing easy's worth doing.
BitMarmot: Ask danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that we know :D
antonosika: How do I sign the contract?
BitMarmot: I am also a USG_Press_Machine from time to time
fluffypony: antonosika: just send me your private key
fluffypony: and I'll sort it out
mircea_popescu: antonosika you don't have to sign it, if you pay it stands.
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust BitMarmot
BitMarmot: Will do it this weekend
BitMarmot: Just swinging by to say hello
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot usg press machine was a better nick. this bitblabla stuff is a cancer.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
thestringpuller: why is gribble being dumb
fluffypony: .nick BitPony ?
BitMarmot: agreed, but I figured the marmot peg was the best way to illustrate the sheer stupidity of what was going on with BTSX
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's not being dumb, it's being absent
BitMarmot: Of everything I've written I figured MP probably approved of my most recent work the most
BitMarmot: BitShares X
mircea_popescu: o that. heh.
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot link ?
BitMarmot: two ticks
assbot: BitShares: Don’t walk away. Run | Preston Byrne
antonosika: mircea_popescu: Is there a way for me to show that I paid?
mircea_popescu: "wait a tick, wait a tick... i will not ruin this sketch for a pound"
assbot: BitSharesX: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence | Preston Byrne
mircea_popescu: antonosika well if a payment as specified makes it to the address specified before time specified, you have.
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot myeah. the many advantages for the general public of the sec demuring instead of taking its fucking place in the world.
mircea_popescu: but yes, i will definitely push for prosecution of the current set of sec comissioners for having failed to take the hand i extended to them last year.
BitMarmot: I mean, I don't exactly look forward to the day seeing as I'm meant to be hanged
BitMarmot: But apparently I am not beyond saving
mircea_popescu: what's so bad about hanging ?
mircea_popescu: you at least get to come.
mircea_popescu: yet another way nature disadvantages women.
BitMarmot: ben_vulpes:danielpbarron: tell preston he's not a lost cause
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
antonosika: ;;ident mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: I think the SEC is aware of what Vitalik and Bitshares are doing, but theyre biding their time
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BlueMeanie4: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BlueMeanie4 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BlueMeanie4 | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2014
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 if you id with gribble and pm assbot !up you can just up yourself.
BlueMeanie4: wow this system is confusing as hell
BlueMeanie4: its pretty clear that Ethereum and Bitshares were fundraisers
BlueMeanie4: and i really appreciate your points in that article BitMarmot
BitMarmot: Thanks BlueMeanie4 - I do this for a living so looked at BitShares for 20 minutes and was like, "does not compute"
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking outrage is what it is. basically vitalik saw the neobee fuckwit buy a ferrari or whatever it was, went out of his mind and well... "if x can steal why shouldn't i"
mircea_popescu: which is what's wrong with "biding their time" idiocies.
BlueMeanie4: I just know the people involved and I didnt even bother running the numbers, I already know the answer
BitMarmot: Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often
antonosika: why doesn't mircea_popescu get identified by ;;ident ?
antonosika: ;;ident antonosika
mircea_popescu: antonosika gribble blinked. a sec
gribble: Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified.
antonosika: ;;ident nanotubes
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
BlueMeanie4: BitMarmot- those guys are notorious for faking things like sales numbers and web stats
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
antonosika: mircea_popescu: will you confirm that the contract holds when you get the payment?
antonosika: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified.
antonosika: How is that done?
BlueMeanie4: BitMarmot- I tweeted you :)
mircea_popescu: how is what done
antonosika: Public confirmation of that a contract holds
BitMarmot: BlueMeanie4 thanks! I saw.
mircea_popescu: how would you like it to be done ?
antonosika: you sign a message with your gpg?
BlueMeanie4: I even recall the early bitshares stuff on btt, it was pure idiocy
mircea_popescu: i already did dood. in between that pastebin and a blockchain read you have incontrovertible proof.
BlueMeanie4: although I cant confirm that the current concept bears any resemblance to those early ideas
antonosika: Why cant u just argue that that is another transaction?
mircea_popescu: because that's what the contract says.
BingoBoingo: BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea
assbot: Logged on 26-08-2014 10:50:07; mircea_popescu: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla.
BitMarmot: I actually really like marmots
mircea_popescu: could it be chinchillas instead ?
BlueMeanie4: we have something like a marmot in the rocky mountains. its similar to a mountain-hamster
BitMarmot: A friend of mine tells me the tale of a marmot called Grey Beard
BitMarmot: who lived in the rockies
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot "I don’t like or approve of token pre-sales and I never will." << whatr's this mean ?
BitMarmot: He would cast a curse on any campers at the camp who harassed local wildlife
BitMarmot: Mircea_Popescu exactly what it says
mircea_popescu: also get out of this habit of using the same title on different dates for different articles. it's breadspread insanity.
BitMarmot: I'll join WoT this weekend
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot it doesn't say so much cause "token pre-sales" isn't reallyt a term of art.
BlueMeanie4: that sounds like the scene from Monty Python holy Grail
BitMarmot: Satoshi didn't need a presale
BitMarmot: all this stuff is iterative
BlueMeanie4: BitMarmot- allocate at least an hour to get through the WOT process
mircea_popescu: you mean recursive ?
mircea_popescu: as in, soon they'll do presales for the presale ?
BitMarmot: nope, iterative
BitMarmot: i.e. it's not really an improvement
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what it's supposed to be.
BitMarmot: If someone came up with a chain which was awesome
antonosika: What does it mean that assignments are integral?
mircea_popescu: i mean other than tardstalk finance.
BitMarmot: they wouldn't need to presell because they'd make their money mining the crap out of it
mircea_popescu: antonosika that you can't give sue 1.5 btc and mary 1.5 btc of your load. gotta pick a girl blow the whole load on her.
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot you mean like atc ?
BitMarmot: fact is, most alt chains aren't that big a deal/that different from BTC to merit existence
BitMarmot: ATC?
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1636.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
mircea_popescu: therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin.
BitMarmot: Good work ThickAsThieves.
mircea_popescu: ok, "I look at BitSharesX and I see a group of talented" << what do you mean by talented then.
BitMarmot: Larimer's a smart kid
BitMarmot: on the programmer side
BlueMeanie4: i beg to differe
mircea_popescu: and i'd know this how ?
BlueMeanie4: i was reading larimers babbling on btt - his ideas are idiotic
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well he did say codewise.
antonosika: mircea_popescu: thanks for making it so clear.
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com
BitMarmot: Let me put it this way - I wanted to play the ball rather than the programmer
mircea_popescu: gotta cut amateurs slack re finance, somehow everyone got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin.
BlueMeanie4: he wanted to peg the value of assets to some 'market value' - it was utter nonsense
antonosika: Same paste
antonosika: just needed to paste it
BlueMeanie4: got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin. < a lot of that goes on for sure
mircea_popescu: but generally, you can distinguish they don't know wtf they're talking about on terminology, and just discard that and see if they're basically honest or not. at least it's my approach.
BlueMeanie4: BitMarmot- of course he doesnt want to program it- i makes ZERO sense!
BlueMeanie4: that was basically my thought when I bothered to read his nonsense writings
BitMarmot: I just don't like going after people personally - I'd rather discuss the issues
BlueMeanie4: 'if this guy is going to code this then great for him'
BlueMeanie4: of course he defers that small job to someone else
BitMarmot: Even if the writings are nonsense, go after the writings, not the person who wrote them
BlueMeanie4: he's exactly like Chris Odom
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot that's fine, but you know if you call someone something, whether it's "talented" or "whore" or anything, i may well ask you well, how did you find this and how could i verify for myself.
mircea_popescu: only natural.
BitMarmot: mircea_popescu all of god's creatures are special
BitMarmot: unique snowflakes
mircea_popescu: oh get out. unless they taste like vanilla they go right into the stu.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, they go into the cake.
BitMarmot: hahahahahaahahahaha
BitMarmot: I thought you might like that.
BlueMeanie4: to a degree- if someone is repeatedly trying to draw attention to themselves by whoring around every buzzword and they do it repeatedly then pull a PRESALE- thats when you start questioning someone's motives
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKY5zHILK00 << this could be the "talented bitcoiner" theme song.
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BitMarmot: I go on what I can prove. If I can't prove it, I figure no harm in being polite
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot if politeness has degraded to the point you gotta call someone talented just to remain polite i dun want any part of it.
BlueMeanie4: yes but eventually the emporer wears no clothe
antonosika: Im about to agree to a contract that stands if I deposit 3 btc to mircea_popescu (with the blockchain as security). Can someone tell me that this is a smart procedure?
BlueMeanie4: Mircea- BINGO
antonosika: the btc could come from someone else depositing at the same time.
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot but anyway, nm that part.
BitMarmot: mircea_popescu differences in approach, as you know we have. nm indeed
mircea_popescu: antonosika it'd still credit you. so they'd be suckers for doing it, but their problem.
BlueMeanie4: eventually people value candor above all else
BlueMeanie4: who has time to waste on this shit?
BlueMeanie4: let alone money
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 not all people, no. if people valued candor there'd be a blowout sale on penis aids.
mircea_popescu: there's lines of work where honesty is the worst policy.
mircea_popescu: just... finance ain't one of them.
antonosika: But this isn't specified in the contract. Only "the long holder shall deposit"
BlueMeanie4: ya shrewdness goes a long way
mircea_popescu: antonosika you gotta understand how the legal mind works. you have a beneficial presumption therein embedded.
BitMarmot: BlueMeanie4 I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on character, but go ruthless on the facts
BitMarmot: mircea_popescu exactly
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot what are you trying to do anyway.
BitMarmot: brb. Just having fun, I enjoy writing.
BlueMeanie4: ya I really appreciated that article, but when you watch someone pull this sort of stuff time and time again- it's hard not to get personal
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 tell mpoe-pr that :D
antonosika: mircea_popescu: can someone else vouch for this ?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 aww.
antonosika: legal is not my language
mircea_popescu: well for a coupla years there was this hot chick on the forum beating the shit out of the innumerable, meanwhile forgotten scammers.
mircea_popescu: they all got pissy because "onoes, whai so personal"
BlueMeanie4: the thing i always look for- they always have an alternative career
antonosika: ill deposit if you reformulate the contract
BlueMeanie4: theyre a 'musician' or a 'pick up artist' or 'author' or some crap
mircea_popescu: just one of the many ways mpex wrote teh history of bitcoin that nobody knows about because well... history is hard work.
BlueMeanie4: or theyre entirely anonymous
BlueMeanie4: usually a combination of the two
mircea_popescu: well most "musicians" are anonymous.
mircea_popescu: that's funny, i remember the days "anonymous" used to be an insult.
BlueMeanie4: do you know how many of these 'celebrated' bitcoin experts have some lame background like this?
mircea_popescu: yes. i keep files.
BlueMeanie4: this doesnt appear to bother the 18 year olds who just bought 2 grand worth of magic beans
mircea_popescu: ;;google story pointless witless
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BlueMeanie4: cant view it
mircea_popescu: what changed in the past year ? nothing!
antonosika: mircea_popescu: starting a contract by only seeing a random transaction in the blockchain is dodgy as hell
mircea_popescu: according to whom ?!
antonosika: The formulation of the contract
mircea_popescu: and it's not random, it's specified.
antonosika: random as in not specified where it is from
antonosika: the amount is specified
antonosika: and "the Long Party"
mircea_popescu: yes. this is how bitcoin works.
antonosika: easy to argue that it is not from the long party
mircea_popescu: yes, but also toothless. doesn't matter where it's from.
antonosika: So why not just write " 3.00001 BTC shall be deposited no later than August 31st to ..."
antonosika: That's specified
antonosika: "Long Party" is not
antonosika: provable
BlueMeanie4: thats what i was saying- who adjudicates?
antonosika: Change it.
BingoBoingo: Long Party: YOu are perfectly free to save your own copy of MP's signed contract and sign it your self.
antonosika: BingoBoingo: the problem is that it is possible to argue that the deposit was not from the long party
BitMarmot: back
BitMarmot: you all survive without me?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well that's why i gave you that rota reference. nobody o.O after the attempt at a public court thing failed miserably.
antonosika: BingoBoingo: who would be correct in such an argument?
BingoBoingo: antonosika: Well if it came from another party that would mean someone else just subsidized the Long Party's purchase
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot here's the problem. your effort at being polite has resulted in 2+6k words, in which the idiot in question is arguing he's right.
antonosika: Thanks bingo, i just wanted this legal language verified by someone else to seem less dogy
mircea_popescu: you may love to write, but no one loves to read.
mircea_popescu: so what's the gain here ?
mircea_popescu: antonosika it's not dodgy, it's just how i write.
mircea_popescu: i went to the hemingway school of law.
BitMarmot: None immediately. It's a long game
mircea_popescu: heh. "your penis is too long to fit any woman, so how do you propose to reproduce ?" "not immediately, waiting for it to grow more."
BitMarmot: Something like that
mircea_popescu: (im not saying working is bad, it's not. the reason it's good however is that it allows such problems to be discussed)
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antonosika: last thing, will you check the blockchain and confirm in this chat that you saw the 3.0001 BTC ?
BitMarmot: Judging from the hits though my point got across without hitting the man
mircea_popescu: i didn't even pick the right phrase. should have used rickles' "he's making a loss on every sale but hopes to make it up on volume"
BitMarmot: so ultimately you get done what needs to get done without alienating anyone
mircea_popescu: a well, esprit d'escalier.
mircea_popescu: antonosika okay.
BitMarmot: Be of no doubt, I am overawed by your approach to polemic. But I suspect I probably wouldn't get away with it
BitMarmot: plus not my style
BitMarmot: takes all kinds
mircea_popescu: what, decentralized polemics ?
BitMarmot: No, just not giving a damn what other people think
antonosika: mircea_popescu: I'll be happy with the outcome of this contract either way, nice to learn new things with you crazy fucks around here.
mircea_popescu: antonosika it's everyone's sentiment
BingoBoingo: antonosika: Sitting around here and having access to every one in the chan's input is an effect IQ boost
mircea_popescu: antonosika anyway, the last clause is there specifically to allow you to limit your risk as you can make me a settlement offer later on and who knows, i might take it.
mircea_popescu: (for that matter, it's good policy / common courtest to see if i don't want to overbid in case you're considering assignment)
mircea_popescu: kinda how the market was born, irl, centuries ago.
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea //// Before you know it your website will be all "10 Wacky Interesting Things You Never Knew About Marmots"
antonosika: mircea_popescu: I'll keep my fingers crossed then.
BitMarmot: BuzzMarmot
BitMarmot: I really do f***ing love marmots
BitMarmot: best animals ever
BitMarmot: They're goofy, largely benign troublemaker
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
BitMarmot: What, MP doesn't have a spirit animal?
mircea_popescu: yes, but mine's a scorpion.
BitMarmot: Fitting
BlueMeanie4: Slime Mold
mircea_popescu: precise, fucking dangerous mind-your-own-business law enforcer type.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin. /// it's more of a scamcoin assimiliation phenomenon!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves slime mold :D
BitMarmot: Spirit fungi bro
BitMarmot: wrong kingdom
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 if slime molds are animals ima make buenos aires my spirit animal.
BlueMeanie4: Slime Molds are actually fascinating
BlueMeanie4: but thats another story
mircea_popescu: it's not even genetically coherent for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: yes but they're not animals. they're colonies of animals. like a town.
BlueMeanie4: well occasionally they go from being a colony to forming into a creature that gets up and moves
BlueMeanie4: not joking - thats why theyre so strange
mircea_popescu: what's this, animism biology ?
mircea_popescu: it does move but it's still not an animal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still got those usenet archives ? << only ever had a hand-sewn, humble archive (a la 'yarchive.net' but not as good.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how woud you go about recouping all this guy's usenet stuff ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i doubt that google corp. has the only copy of 'dejanews' - ask around.
mircea_popescu: yes i am asking around :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're lucky, 'google groups' might have a good fraction of it
assbot: John Bonner's slime mold movies - YouTube
asciilifeform: re: electronic warfare article - the conflation between garden-variety signal jamming and 'emp' circuit zapping is inexcusable and a classic leper's bell of journalistic hacks
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
thestringpuller: time to export the private key to this machine
mircea_popescu: ahh people's assumptions are such a great boon to internet humor. so i go on this blog and butthurt people, everyone assumes that since i speak the language i also live there, it's rioutous.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident BlueMeanie4
gribble: Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 listen : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing.
assbot: Mould Time-lapse - The Great British Year: Episode 4 Preview - BBC One - YouTube
nubbins`: so my macbook drank a cup of coffee today
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: when assigning a key to a bot, what is a good way to allow the bot to access it? is a passphrase even practical?
thestringpuller: or more giving a key to a bot...
mircea_popescu: gpg agent ?
mircea_popescu: but yeah, make it its own key.
thestringpuller: yea. that's what I've been looking into, do you think it's legit though?
thestringpuller: legit over the wire*
thestringpuller: like ssh key forwarding...etc...
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?
thestringpuller: i was overthinking it sorry for being dumb
thestringpuller: if bot and key are on same machine, bot daemon can just run gpg agent as a daemon...
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/13/aubreystar-31811/images/full/13.jpg << fun fact : girls that walk on high heels don't tend to support themselves on the heel.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah something like that.
thestringpuller: thanks mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell BitMarmot Judging from the hits though << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#791057
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2014 23:15:37; mircea_popescu: godovo http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !up dsherm
dsherm: thanks bb
BingoBoingo: dsherm: You are welcome
dsherm: was just reading contravex's "deflation isn't bitcoin's problem..." great refreshing read. found this channel there
nubbins`: how can you have deflation when the money supply is increasing :D
ben_vulpes: ah, i missed the marmot.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 512.79, Best ask: 514.23, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 514.25, 24 hour volume: 6709.59735671, 24 hour low: 502.33, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 509.560882049
nubbins`: battery did not survive the coffee :(
dsherm: its all relative to fiat ;)
mircea_popescu: dsherm still. bitcoin is inflaitonary. just, not as much as the various other shitcoins
thestringpuller: dsherm: is that a new one?
mircea_popescu: usd or doge or w/e
thestringpuller: nubbins`: did you just ruin a mac?
nubbins`: i just ruined a mac battery
thestringpuller: better than ruining a mac no?
nubbins`: the machine itself seems otherwise unscathed
nubbins`: indeed, yes
dsherm: m_p but at least the inflation will end
thestringpuller: what kind of mac battery?
thestringpuller: for the pro?
mircea_popescu: dsherm when ?
thestringpuller: i just got a mac book air
dsherm: it's an old one 4/4/14
dsherm: M_P i was talking about the article from contravex
nubbins`: late-2008 macbook
mircea_popescu: dsherm that's okay, but sitll, bitcoin will continue to inflate well into the 22nd century.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust deego
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 17 via 20 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=deego | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego | Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012
mircea_popescu: at first i thought this must be a scammer play.
dsherm: M_P yeah i know but at least the rate of increase will... decrease
mircea_popescu: !up Flerb
mircea_popescu: Flerb yes, you're supposed to do something to earn trust. o.O
mircea_popescu: dsherm sure, and the total amount is upper bound. but see, journos do a lot of sloppy thinking. the total amlunt being upper bound != non inflationary.
mircea_popescu: and so on.
asciilifeform: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/25/3475190/date-rape-nail-polish << mega-lol - liberasts oppose the 'anti-rape nail polish' product
assbot: Why Rape Prevention Activists Don't Like The New Nail Polish That Can Detect Roofies | ThinkProgress
assbot: Operation Fabulous: Advertise with bitcoins.
dsherm: as long as it is a limited useful commodity
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soviet bureaucrats opposed typewriters neh ?
asciilifeform: even funnier
asciilifeform: not even because it works - or doesn't
mircea_popescu: "it’s not necessarily the best way to approach the sexual assault epidemic on college campuses."
asciilifeform: 'I don’t want to fucking test my drink when I’m at the bar. That’s not the world I want to live in.'
asciilifeform: !s have to dip
ben_vulpes: don't stop
mircea_popescu: dude gtfo, what "epidemic". us colleges used to be this fuckathon, these days they're like fucking nunneries.
ben_vulpes: be leeeeeeving
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 22:03:29; asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke
mircea_popescu: Women are already expected to work hard to prevent themselves from becoming the victims of sexual assault. They’re told to avoid wearing revealing clothing, travel in groups, make sure they don’t get too drunk, and always keep a close eye on their drink. Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discreetly slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist — something that actu
mircea_popescu: ally reinforces a pervasive rape culture in our society.
mircea_popescu: o fucking hell.
mircea_popescu: what sort of alternative reality is this!
mircea_popescu: women are actually expected to walk on four inch heels after the age of 16 so as to deform their calf musculature and get fucking implants once they're 35+
mircea_popescu: and to stop bitching about it!
mircea_popescu: o and also : IF you want any sort of shot at a decent lay, you're to have full nudes on the internet before you're 18 and aging starts.
asciilifeform: phun phact: knockout drops are alive and well in russia. but they are typically used by women - on men. chemically-assisted pick-pockets.
asciilifeform: perhaps the nail polish - in a transparent variety - will catch on there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is older than dirt. was the premiere reason women ended up forbidden from public places in teh islamic states.
mircea_popescu: a millenium+ ago.
mircea_popescu: all the greek sluts moved south and went to work.
nubbins`: scopolamine is popular in some touristy areas of south america as well, or so i'm told
Flerb: mircea_popescu, such as?
nubbins`: tourists helping the thieves move their belongings into the van, etc
nubbins`: Flerb, how would you earn someone's trust in your day-to-day life?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is why you take your own bottle and your own whores to the strip joint :D
mircea_popescu: also, lol : "While it is occasionally used recreationally for its hallucinogenic properties, the experiences are often mentally and physically extremely unpleasant, and frequently physically dangerous, so repeated use is rare."
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? << if i can be arsed to try and teach someone to read it can scarcely be argued i don't like them.
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (from one russian commenter) - 'does the nail polish change to warning colour after the fifth martini?'
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mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book" << clearly no inflation propping up nasdaq. it;'s all just legit money, which is why all art and collectible prices are up 10x
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought russians had martini as the vermouth, like romanians.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident BlueMeanie4
gribble: Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: so as i was saying earlier : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing
BlueMeanie4: how do i gribble
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth BlueMeanie4
gribble: Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535
BlueMeanie4: i did that laready!
mircea_popescu: girbble blinked
mircea_popescu: if it didn't see you at any point it resets it.
mircea_popescu: hafta do it again
asciilifeform talked two chaps who were previously innocent of pgp and (mostly) of irc through the whole shebang. it took - minutes.
asciilifeform doesn't get why people whine
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but you didn't pick them in the street.
mircea_popescu: even were it wall street.
mircea_popescu: shit hanbot's writing like dailyt now.
BlueMeanie4: ok got the passwd
mircea_popescu: ;;everify
hanbot: mircea_popescu haha for very lenient definitions of daily
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no name needed. take it out.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
BlueMeanie4: ho hum
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you gotta do the ;;eauth party ourself too!
BlueMeanie4: you guys dont get hte concept of usability clearly
BlueMeanie4: eath what?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;everify << you gotta do it, not me.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
mircea_popescu: it looks and sees a diff guy is putting in the decrypted string and calls shenanigans.
mircea_popescu: no, THERE you need the name.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
BlueMeanie4: fuck this
BlueMeanie4: its the second time i did this
BlueMeanie4: this is ridiculous
BlueMeanie4: i have a degree in CS
BlueMeanie4: make your system usable for christ sakes
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: everify yournickname thatstringstartingwithfreenode
BlueMeanie4: THATS HWAT I DID BEFORE
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I have degrees in Philosphy and preventing rot in bound volumes
kakobrekla: they dont teach pgp in cs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now you misguided him!
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 keep your cool and think of it ths way :
BlueMeanie4: let the techno condescention begin
mircea_popescu: it's a time tested system to keep idiots out.
mircea_popescu: the hassle at the beginning will repay in spades later,
kakobrekla: failed on me.
mircea_popescu: when you don't have to deal with them
asciilifeform automated long ago and mostly forgot
BlueMeanie4: maybe ill try again next year
mircea_popescu: usability is good ; barriers to entry are better.
mircea_popescu: try it again now, it's not the big deal it looks like.
mircea_popescu: you first go ;;everify BlueMeanie4
mircea_popescu: you first go ;;eauth BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify BlueMeanie4
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
kakobrekla passed the arian test although black
mircea_popescu: then you decrypt the otp and go ;;everify freenode-blabla
BlueMeanie4: SHIT YOU DONT EVEN KOW HOW TO DO THIS
mircea_popescu: and you're done
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :)
BlueMeanie4: ;;eauth BlueMeanie4
gribble: Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535
BingoBoingo: Now ;;everify "string"
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:168e59752b337056f22927840844867ab6b0bb171ffd023b46ca4e3c
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :) << I do it by hand
BlueMeanie4: do i win an internet
mircea_popescu: now, because you're so identified, you can go /query assbot
mircea_popescu: and in the window that pops say !up
mircea_popescu: self -serve.
BlueMeanie4: i may make a contract system that doesnt use irc
mircea_popescu: and use it by yourself ?
BlueMeanie4: although you could potentially use WOT ratings
mircea_popescu: irc is an incredibly great system, give yourself some time to discover that first.
BlueMeanie4: no one can use this thing
mircea_popescu: i'm not here because it sucks.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: use telex if you like. still gotta prove you own the private key
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00069043 = 24.1996 BTC [+]
BlueMeanie4: its not about 'using it by yourself'
BlueMeanie4: if people want to short
BlueMeanie4: or some other instrumet
BlueMeanie4: they can do it
mircea_popescu: hanbot "demonstrating that perambulatory sculpture of the conspicuously unfucked might as well also possess meterological dominion over those parts of the world otherwise dangerous to honest hard-working folk predisposed to believe in peram…well, you know." ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 then i don't like you and ddos your system. what now ?
BlueMeanie4: what makes you htink you can do that
mircea_popescu: what do they teach in cs these days ?
BlueMeanie4: so youre threatening any alternatives?
mircea_popescu: no dude. i'm just trying to explain internet to you.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: 'to criticise is to volunteer.' suggest your variant.
mircea_popescu: the only - the ONLY - reason any website is online right now, google including, whitehouse.org included, is that nobody can be bothered to knock them off.
mircea_popescu: that's all.
BlueMeanie4: im trying to explain USABILITY to you
BlueMeanie4: you apparently think the whole world has all day to fuck around on IRC
mircea_popescu: somewhere they'll fuck around.
kakobrekla: in -otc
mircea_popescu: now whether it's irc or a website or anywhere else should come down to a technical discussion
mircea_popescu: which is what we're having.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: A disctinct advantage of IRC is its robustness, DDOS'ing even aggressively at best interupts parts or the network rather than killing it.
BlueMeanie4: the problem with using IRC is that you cant have high speed contract resolutoin
BingoBoingo: Yes you can
BlueMeanie4: theres the problem of competing to execute contracts
BingoBoingo: Well nothing useful can be all of high speed, low drag, and robust
BlueMeanie4: this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious
nubbins`: thought i hit a roadblock with the poster color separations, wife suggested a solution that's even better than what i'd originally planned
nubbins`: RIGHT ON
BlueMeanie4: because the miners can exclude some transactoins and fatally bias the market
BingoBoingo: Miners routinely exclude transactions
BlueMeanie4: sure, and this isnt a problem unless youre doing something where people are competing to be the first
BlueMeanie4: first person to bid or to execute a contract
BingoBoingo: If speed were the greatest virtue public transportation would not be a bus network, but coin operated people howitzers on every street corner
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think you missed
BingoBoingo: Instead of the stadium gates you arrived at the parking garage.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I think a problem is you are confusing particular contracts and contracts in general
BlueMeanie4: proof is in the pudding
BlueMeanie4: does anyone use this thing
nubbins`: the details are in the pudding
nubbins`: there's a dick surgery song about this very thing
BingoBoingo: Contracts available for trading publicly need a centralized exchange. Private contracts need negotiation et al.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: 'usability' << we're using it. and it appears - you are, too. so what kind of 'usability' is lacking ?
BlueMeanie4: how do you measure success in a software project?
BingoBoingo: A private assignment of anything should never have the wires be the limiting factor in its speed of execution, other things will slow it first.
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious << this high speed thing is an unresolved problem in many ways.
BlueMeanie4: confidence chains was one solution, but you dont really 'p2p' with it
BlueMeanie4: its more of a distributed system
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what fascinates me is how many people whine about 'slow' without saying precisely why they want 'fast', and while remaining entirely innocent of basic kindergarten-level gotchas like 'lamport's clock'
mircea_popescu: you'll have to sit down and confront the twinheaded fact that a) before you can improve on something you have to gain good familiariy with it and b) that the temptation to just make as a cheap substitute for understanding is sinful.
mircea_popescu: !up cardigm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no kindergarten i ever heard of shows lamport's clock
BlueMeanie4: well its not so much a problem of 'slow'
BlueMeanie4: do you ever use Ebay?
mircea_popescu: not personally.
BlueMeanie4: anyone?
BingoBoingo: I've used it.
nubbins`: have in the past, yep
BlueMeanie4: and when do 95% of the bids come in on an auction?
nubbins`: never
nubbins`: wait, sorry.
BlueMeanie4: in the last few minutes
BingoBoingo: Depends on the good. When I'm buying generally the one that wins comes early.
nubbins`: it's all about Buy it Now, anyway
nubbins`: nobody straight-up auctions
BlueMeanie4: so the problem is in these sorts of systems is people will push the time limits as far as they will go every time
BingoBoingo: I know what the good is worth and I bid up to what I am willing to pay.
nubbins`: that's a general human problem
mircea_popescu: why is this a problem ?
BlueMeanie4: if i can exploit, and it makes me a dollar or two, i will
assbot: Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00068963 = 15.7925 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: What was you favorite computer you ever owned?
BlueMeanie4: you better believe if any serious traffic were to happen on this system they would exploit the peculiarities of IRC
BlueMeanie4: apple II_
nubbins`: what's the trilema article about how irc works
BingoBoingo: Ah, Imma Mac SE/30 kind of person. There are "now" slow machines, yes
nubbins`: not being an idiot, asking questions and immediately leaving, etc
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 what's your idea of "serious trafic" ?
BlueMeanie4: i dont know
BlueMeanie4: lets say 100k changes hands a day
mircea_popescu: so then why are you talking about it lol
mircea_popescu: so what peculiarities would thus become exposed ?
BlueMeanie4: i already mentioned it, you can bias the markets by exploiting time responses
BlueMeanie4: your system seems pretty naive in this regard
asciilifeform: 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 "seems" ? how does it so seem ?
BlueMeanie4: because no where do you even indicate that this is a problem
asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.'
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task?
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot deego
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=deego | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego | Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you'll have to at least build a theoretical model showing how this attack'd work. kinda how it's done.
BlueMeanie4: what would happen if one party had the unique ability to either take or leave EVERY contract that was submitted globally?
BlueMeanie4: and the other actors then got 'sloppy seconds'
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure.
BlueMeanie4: Bingo: congrats?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 how would such a party have such an ability ?
BlueMeanie4: hold on
asciilifeform: and why would it matter ?
BlueMeanie4: do you accept that this is a problem?
asciilifeform: let's assume that superman flies in before anyone and 'takes or leaves.' how is it a problem ?
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mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no, and what's worse i don't see a way to translate your formulation of what's a problem in fiat marketplaces into ap roblem here.
BlueMeanie4: this is a big problem. this leads to market bias.
mircea_popescu: looky here : because wot users are identified, and their reputation forms a market hierarchy
asciilifeform: let me guess. 'unfair.'
mircea_popescu: parties will have this ability ANYWAY
BlueMeanie4: well im not opposed to WOT
BlueMeanie4: WOT is a rating scheme
mircea_popescu: and rightfully so. because to the trustworthy goes the business.
BlueMeanie4: good for WOT
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: Don't worry too much about this distinct IRC phenomenon where the channel carries on as many simultaneous conversations as the participants allow.
BlueMeanie4: come here WOT lets have a group hug
mircea_popescu: well yes great but this effect dwarves your problem by degrees of magnitude.
BlueMeanie4: not at all
mircea_popescu: so fifty people want to accept the same contract, and mp says yes and the cp picks mp because hey, he'd rather have mp's cp risk.
mircea_popescu: what's the five miliseconds earliness bought the early bird ?
BlueMeanie4: the cp?
mircea_popescu: counterparty
BlueMeanie4: oh so the cp has the ability to choose?
mircea_popescu: of course ?
BlueMeanie4: so there is ZERO sense of non-bias in your system
BlueMeanie4: its not fatal, but it falls short in some very important ways
mircea_popescu: it's so fuckng biased we have a wot to deal with the bias hierarchy
BlueMeanie4: you cant have highly liquid markets this way
mircea_popescu: didn't we go over all of this yest or w/e ?
mircea_popescu: you don't want highly liquid markets. you want robust markets.
BlueMeanie4: what is needed is a way to quickly INTERROGATE the contracts
BlueMeanie4: as in- determine them
BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03
assbot: #bitcoin-otc order book
BlueMeanie4: youre loling and were there any contracts written today?
bats_cd03: such patience on mp's part
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: how many contracts for the purchase of, e.g, gallium, were written today?
BlueMeanie4: its like a BBS
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 it's an otc market. you don't get to know anything the participants don't choose to share.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: is your (or mine) inability to answer this question with a definitive number (x kg, y usd, etc.) a 'problem' ?
mircea_popescu: i am blazing new ground here with the very public display of contracts, as for instance seen earlier
BlueMeanie4: again not saying htis is worthless
mircea_popescu: most everyone else does not want to say.
BlueMeanie4: but im interested in bigger game
BlueMeanie4: how can we generate millions USD in wealth
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you know, three years ago half of all btc trade happened on otc. 90% ish of the rest was on mtgox.
asciilifeform: hate to borrow from herr clinton, but what does 'generate' mean here ?
mircea_popescu: since then, the marketshare of all exchanges together dropped monotonously.
BlueMeanie4: what does generate mean?
bats_cd03: work on generating 100 btc in wealth first, mate. then go for 10.000.
BlueMeanie4: gen - latin root for 'create'
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 he's inquiring if you're trying to create or redistribute value.
asciilifeform: how can we generate millions USD in wealth << build, say, an aluminum refinery and find a new deposit of bauxite.
asciilifeform: like this answer ?
BlueMeanie4: yes wealth is CREATED by generating new obligations
mircea_popescu: only iyo.
asciilifeform: so - extract. ?
BlueMeanie4: its not extract
asciilifeform: !s chumpatronics
decimation: “But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.”
mircea_popescu: you don't create new wealth by creating new obligations or else a law that'd enact the obligation of pigs to fly would make us all rich.
bats_cd03: when asked about 'creating wealth', i usually think 'creating energy'. can it be done?
BlueMeanie4: no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier
BlueMeanie4: makes a society wealthier
BlueMeanie4: sure it idoes
asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled
BlueMeanie4: thats how a money supply expands
bats_cd03: lol.
bats_cd03: makes somebody wealthier, maybe.
decimation: BlueMeanie4: do you think a finite supply of money is sufficient?
BlueMeanie4: back in ignoramous paranoia land
BlueMeanie4: here ill give you an example
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of
BlueMeanie4: i was in Belgium for a while and there was a group of people out in the country side
BlueMeanie4: and they made their own money system, a local currency
bats_cd03: your universe must be small mate
BlueMeanie4: out of nothing
BlueMeanie4: and they loaned it to each other to do jobs on eachothers houses
BlueMeanie4: plumbing, electrical, etc
BlueMeanie4: this money system allowed them all to have nice houses in belgium
mircea_popescu: looky : the mortgages make society poorer not wealthier.
BlueMeanie4: with no capital
BlueMeanie4: no thats not at all correct
mircea_popescu: now, a little empoverishing itself for the sake of stroking its impatience may be okay
mircea_popescu: but if it does a lot of it it ends up like the us.
BlueMeanie4: either in principle or in practice
BlueMeanie4: well the people didnt have houses before
decimation: asciilifeform: I don't get the liber-tards argument, are they saying that women ought to be able to slut at the sluttiest parties without attracting unwanted male attention?
BlueMeanie4: then they had houses
mircea_popescu: hey. it seems it'll take a while until this problem will be operationalized enough to be acceptable.
BlueMeanie4: thats POORER?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled << It seems many of the danielpbarron invites elicit this reaction
mircea_popescu: decimation no, they're saying that the betas should be better betas already. i agree with the sentiment.
asciilifeform: decimation: yes. that's actual 'party doctrine', believe it or not
mircea_popescu: this notion that everyone's entitled to sexual release gotta go.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no, but it's not a fair representation of what happened.
bats_cd03: lol not an expert. anyway, i speculate: it could be a combination of due diligence combined with the USG trying to acquire as much btc as possible, theretofore held by citizens not entirely faithful to the fiat gods (e.g. tax evasion, other 'illegal' activities)
BlueMeanie4: sure it is, I met these people
BlueMeanie4: of course they had to work
BlueMeanie4: but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists
BlueMeanie4: where there was once no houses, or even individual ability to create houses, there was not a usable house
decimation: none of this required debt to operate
BlueMeanie4: its similar with mortgages, requires capital to get all the specialists together to make a house
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 okay, how would the proof that what i say is actually correct and your view mistaken look to you ?
BlueMeanie4: decimation- try building your own house then
decimation: you think I could buy a house for some gold?
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists << Fraternities at universities do this without the debt. With beer, a good, they manage to trade the good for pledge's dignity.
BlueMeanie4: if you have enough gold. these people didnt each have enough gold to buy a house, but collectively they had the skills to make houses
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doth not scale outside the dunbar number w/o a wot.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who said anything about scaling. Sewers were a problem for the Spanish because of the scaling involved...
mircea_popescu: i guess he doesn't wanna addres it, but let's take a stab anyway. BlueMeanie4 suppose two people wanted to fuck, and both liked to fuck. in scenario A, they fuck. in scenario B, they exchange obligations to fuck, then fuck.
mircea_popescu: now, who's more likely to have had a good fuck ?
bats_cd03: an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 you got this whole soviet "illegal rich" thing going already ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's been SOP for ages.
decimation: bats_cd03: such a person ought to pay taxes and/or have a lawyer
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03> an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. << And I bless Jebus I am but a midwestern pauper
bats_cd03: i guess i've been here too long.
bats_cd03: 'here': #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "so where do you have it from" "fuck you" is what america is all about.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where do you suppose the fuel to stoke the 'btc at 500 within 1%' engine comes from?
mircea_popescu: now that's an interesting point. if only...
mircea_popescu: anyway, so fucking ludicrous to see the stone soup argument repackaged by people who five minutes earlier complained of ignoramus land.
asciilifeform did (along with probably everyone else) predict this turn. i.e. - usg separating as many coins as can be turned up from their owners, by whatever means can be brought to bear
mircea_popescu: what is this shit even.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway.
asciilifeform: the '500 wars' suggest that they weren't entirely unsuccessful.
decimation: mircea_popescu: well they still have some of the SR stash right?
BlueMeanie4: seems your understanding of how money works is lacking
bats_cd03: hue hue hue
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first hour with the whore suggests one's "pickup skills" aren't entirely unsuccessful either.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: all that remains is to ask you - if you believe 'hard money' to be a heresy, why are you here? and not in '#dollar-assets'
decimation: I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft
mircea_popescu: sure, for as longas there's money to be made, why not.
BlueMeanie4: its not a heresy, it's just a lower form of money
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 how do you know it's not your understanding of how money works that's the problem ?
BlueMeanie4: if im not mistaken, it's impossible to produce enough gold to account for all the wealth in the world
bats_cd03: lol.
asciilifeform can't help but picture a coprophagiac walking into a fine restaurant, proceeding to argue - with physical demonstration - his concept of 'fine dining'
bats_cd03: what about nanograms?
BlueMeanie4: Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point
bats_cd03: surely we can do that. it'd just be... terribly unpractical.
nubbins`: <+BlueMeanie4> no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier
nubbins`: my sides
BlueMeanie4: nubbins, it absolutely does
decimation: I provide our present trollish company as proof of the widely distributed ignorance
bats_cd03: mortgages does make people a lot of slaves
BlueMeanie4: what you fail to see is how the world would be if loans werent available
BlueMeanie4: there are mnay places that do have this
BlueMeanie4: they are not places you would want to live
bats_cd03: decimation: lol'd
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: loans are available - here. though not to everyone who asks.
BlueMeanie4: whats 'here'
BlueMeanie4: youre saying credit doesnt improve your life?
BlueMeanie4: thats absurd?
nubbins`: <+BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists <<< you're 100% misunderstanding what happened, by virtue of trying to view it in the wrong frame of perspective.
decimation: BlueMeanie4: a world without loans would be far more rational in its allocation of wealth
BlueMeanie4: wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness
bats_cd03: maybe we should rewind and assign a reading list. have you read keynesian theory, BlueMeanie4?
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: nothing stops a btc user from lending to another
nubbins`: they didn't say "let us all go into financial debt to each other! you all owe me $100/hr for my plumbing services"
BlueMeanie4: bats- have you?
bats_cd03: after you have, read some austrian theory. write a 10pg open response.
nubbins`: they said "hey man, help me wire my house? i'll do your plumbing"
BlueMeanie4: nubbins, that exactly what they did
bats_cd03: still working through some papers, ya
BlueMeanie4: and you think Keynes was an austrian?
decimation: BlueMeanie4: your story of paupers proves nothing. if they had to skills to bulid houses, they have the skills to earn money to build houses
bats_cd03: your problem is: you are continuously assigning meaning to that which has none
BlueMeanie4: true, but the employment opps didnt necessarily exist
bats_cd03: i do not think that.
BlueMeanie4: so far i have yet to see anyone pose any interesting examples- mainly your typical libertarian bellittleing etc.
BlueMeanie4: or various immature responses designed to detract away from what is obviously a failed argument
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << Even my FBI agent admitted holding some bitcoin... The Treasury agent though was silent on the matter
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: your story concerned a town which printed its own internal currency, yes ?
BlueMeanie4: something like that
nubbins`: my city did this once
nubbins`: not uncommon
bats_cd03: BingoBoingo: brilliant
BlueMeanie4: these days maybe not
nubbins`: 1982-83
BlueMeanie4: whats your city
nubbins`: i've still got a "gilbert dollar"
nubbins`: st. john's, canada
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point << you would think that in either case.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: this is not an uncommon thing, and exists even here in usa (my local vegetable merchants at the market often trade with each other in primitive wooden coins they've agreed on)
mircea_popescu: this is what the average tardstalk forum scammer says, too.
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03> BingoBoingo: brilliant << Not a construction of mine. An event that happen, recorded in my wetware and entered into the public record
nubbins`: some tourist shops here accept canadian tire money
BlueMeanie4: i dont think they are a panacea, but rather a tool that can be used to generate wealth
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> they are not places you would want to live << amusingly, the state says this of anarchy all the time. yet i've lived in anarchy and much prefer it to any kind of currently available state.
nubbins`: although that's at a larger scale again
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: no one, afaik, finds this particularly offensive. but how does it follow that the farmers will require a growing supply of the wooden coins?
mircea_popescu: be it fascist us or socialist norway.
nubbins`: asciilifeform :0 +1
BlueMeanie4: they used to use 'wooden coins' aka tally sticks all the time during the middle ages
mircea_popescu: now how would you confuse those two ?
BingoBoingo: Or Beads in Manhattan
mircea_popescu: tally sticks are an implementation of a bookkeeping system, not coins in any sense.
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: see also 'hawala' in moslem world, 1000+ yrs.
BlueMeanie4: what is your point?
BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness << no, it's a radical view alright.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "tin women, that's what"
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: point was a question. how does it follow that a 'flexible' currency supply is a useful thing?
assbot: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BlueMeanie4: because it's not limited by some supply of some commodity
BlueMeanie4: all major money systems today are flexible money supplies
asciilifeform: BlueMeanie4: if city hall were to bring in a truck full of wooden coins, would this cause the requisite trainload of produce to materialize ?
TheNewDeal: BlueMeanie4 you offering call options?
BlueMeanie4: this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems
BlueMeanie4: gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems << you know you're repating this like it's the hail mary of your faith.
BlueMeanie4: these questions are reminding me that I need to look at cat pictures
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality << of fucking course. what gave you the ridiculous notion that we're about equality ?
mircea_popescu: the point of bitcoin is to make equality impossible and life miserable for the majority.
asciilifeform: it also helps gravity to keep working
BlueMeanie4: ill leave it at this
BlueMeanie4: as most of these dicussions go
BlueMeanie4: im not arguing for some strange mythical world- this is how it currently works
mircea_popescu: well what do you expect. come here with exotic priors, expect everyone to accept them or else you gotta go watch cat pictures ?!
BlueMeanie4: youre advocating something that is not only unsupported in principle, it doesnt exist in reality either
BlueMeanie4: and strangely you believe you are the position to scoff at these points when they correspond fully to how our system works right now
mircea_popescu: seems to be existing just fine, but yeah, that's a point that can wait. might as well revisit it after it's inevitable and you know, cut in stone.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 if your system worked we wouldn't be here.
BlueMeanie4: so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well
BlueMeanie4: and we all know this is just a characteristic of a cult
mircea_popescu: your system is so fucking dead it's funny to watch.
bats_cd03: hahahahaha
bats_cd03: careful consideration is a characteristic of a cult. jeez, what isn't these days.
BlueMeanie4: you dont have a system, all you have is a few people roughly convinced you have an alternative
BlueMeanie4: thats comical
mircea_popescu: "you got exotic priors" "they're widely accepted on my island" "so ?" "so you're a cult" "what's your island again ?" "Easter island."
mircea_popescu: totally.
decimation: BlueMeanie4: you realize your argument of "all the cool countries do it" is not convincing?
BlueMeanie4: i dont have to convince anyone
mircea_popescu: yeah, you kinda do.
BlueMeanie4: "all the cool countries do it"?
mircea_popescu: see, the nude emperor system does depend on everyone staying convinced.
asciilifeform: just as 'are you paranoid if the gasenwagen is actually on its way,' -- 'are you still in a cult if the alien comet ship is actually parked in orbit, and waiting to pick you up?'
mircea_popescu: hard money however does not. it will convince you right into the ground.
BlueMeanie4: the problem is that the countries who didnt benefit from capitalism have a tendency to buy these broken ideas
BlueMeanie4: unfortunately it's not going to get you anywhere
mircea_popescu: these borken ideas ARE capitalism.
bats_cd03: b-but, inequality?
mircea_popescu: what you got going there in teh socialist states of the americaz however is not.
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well << No, this is reactionary, a return to principles more basic than any Tea Partier in a costume can imagine
asciilifeform wonders what gear these folks will change into when it dawns on them that -all- of their gods are being pissed on, vs. an arbitrary selection thereof
asciilifeform: incl. 'equality' and 'democracy'
asciilifeform: and rounding off with the 'greatest good for greatest number' crapolade.
mircea_popescu: should be fun. but anyway, bbl.
decimation: asciilifeform: they will be derping to themselves as they dig ditches or whatever
asciilifeform: decimation: only when they're done preying on the living
bats_cd03: i've been watching Attack on Titan, on netflix. is p good.
danielpbarron slaps BingoBoingo around a bit with a large invite
decimation: the thing is, he's absolutely right, the world is all his way right now.
asciilifeform: which brings us back to >> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << does one need to understand the structure of Au atom to plunder gold coins ?
bats_cd03: would recommend!
decimation: asciilifeform: no but someone in charge needs to issue the proper orders, I doubt even this exists
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Lulz
danielpbarron: you guys don't have to !up them
assbot: Taylor Swift quotes by @SwiftOnSecurity - Imgur
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo to get the ability to up themselves
danielpbarron: i just invited another guy; he wrote a blog post as a rebuttal to that "PGP should die" thing
thestringpuller: bats_cd03: I'm very picky with anime lol
thestringpuller: I even find Trigun hard to watch sometimes.
bats_cd03: whats hard to watch about Trigun?
asciilifeform: decimation: no need for fuhrer's orders. plenty of usg viceroys, on various levels, are in a position to plunder coin. some will wake up and understand that this gives them a shot at living slightly longer - and do it.
decimation: danielpbarron: I don't mind doubters, I just want one with the ability to provide points that rate above the "derp" level
asciilifeform: a national 'shadow treasury' for the loot to end up in - is not a necessary hypothesis.
decimation: asciilifeform: there is a point there. when bitcoin ramps up another order of magnitude in price, the "plunder" signal is plain for all to see
decimation: at some point the dollar/bitcoin price becomes a bat-signal that psychologically overwhelms the "it's not money" derpage
danielpbarron: 09:54 <+BingoBoingo> danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo << do you mean they socially engineer their way in? (because the ability to !up yourself depends on the approval of at least 1 pre-existing member)
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BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4
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danielpbarron: ohhh SNAP
decimation: what is trusted can also be untrusted
asciilifeform: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 -1 usg muppet.
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bats_cd03: 'the quest for randomness'
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asciilifeform: bats_cd03: the most interesting part of such articles is, as often the case - what isn't said.
assbot: YTCracker - Surgerunner - YouTube
bats_cd03: asciilifeform: go on
asciilifeform: bats_cd03: that is - the implicit endorsement of the pseudoscientific concept of 'random'
bats_cd03: i figured, but had to ask
assbot: canPlayType method (Internet Explorer)
bats_cd03: canPlayType() returns... "", "probably", "maybe"
thestringpuller: bats_cd03: i dunno. i guess i rate things on a scale of lupin the third to cowboy bebop
thestringpuller: which isn't even a bad...good scale more like a "weird...straight forward" scale
decimation: asciilifeform: it reads like mathematical masturbation to me
thestringpuller: if that makes any sense
asciilifeform: bats_cd03: 'random' means one thing if you're running 'monte carlo' sims (digits of 'pi' work beautifully, as does 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (rand corp, 1955. book.))
asciilifeform: and quite another for cryptography
decimation: watch as I abuse the assumptions in this formula... next week, I try another!
bats_cd03: i am but a simpleton in regards to cryptography
asciilifeform: (where the only thing that matters is the difficulty, for the enemy, of obtaining prior knowledge of the bits, and not any measurable mathematical attribute per se)
decimation: !up dsherm
dsherm: thanks
asciilifeform: bats_cd03: the subject has very little to do with cryptography in the usual sense. it touches on what can only be described as a philosophical confusion (a deliberately-propagated one, at that.)
dsherm: nice to witness hard money supporters in action
decimation: asciilifeform: in this sense cryptography is "fragile" in Taleb's way of thinking - it has a very deep but very tiny "crack"
asciilifeform: decimation: the 'crack' of - if the enemy learns your key, yer phucked?
BingoBoingo: !up vmuser
decimation: asciilifeform: yes that, but even more - you must keep the tools to 'break' it yourself to make it useful
vmuser: Why +m if everybody gets +v? :)
decimation: dsherm: are you a fan of hard money?
BingoBoingo: vmuser: Because not everyone keeps +v
asciilifeform: decimation: in the sense that you possess the plaintext at some point ?
vmuser: Fair enugh
dsherm: only got interested in econ post 2008
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, and the keys
decimation: asciilifeform: thus leading to the logic that someone must create a useful 'secure terminal'
asciilifeform: decimation: and the keys << nope. go encipher an rsa message to me and then break it without my priv key
asciilifeform: or your plaintext
dsherm: decimation: i think hard money specifically crypto/btc is the tool that will drive us towards a better social structure
decimation: asciilifeform: right, but in the current computing world that exists, you must reveal your secrets to some von nuemann machine
decimation: /s/nuemann/neumann/
asciilifeform: decimation: i and perhaps a few other people did suggest, half-seriously, that people could learn to carry out, e.g., rsa, using mental arithmetic shortcuts of some variety
asciilifeform: but if captured by the enemy, you still confess the plaintext when hanging upside down over a nice hot fire
asciilifeform: this is not a shortcoming of cryptography.
decimation: asciilifeform: this is true. putting the 'weak link' on the human's shoulders puts a spotlight on his foibles
asciilifeform: 'mental rsa' is mostly useful as a gedankenexperiment.
asciilifeform: for ferreting out just what it is that people really want.
decimation: it's possible that a public key encryption system could exist that would be mentally tractable
asciilifeform: if you could somehow harness the considerable mass of neural tissue devoted to various 'everyday' tasks for this purpose - it is certain.
decimation: like the 3-d calculus required to catch a ball?
asciilifeform: consider the methods 'mnemonists' (a kind of stage magician) use to memorize multiple kBytes of, e.g, the digits of 'pi'
asciilifeform: and/or, the several known mental arithmetic systems, like the kind invented by trachtenberg (while starving in auschwitz!)
decimation: dsherm: I agree with you, I don't see how the world 'reverses' bitcoin as an invention
decimation: asciilifeform: some kind of 'memory palace' with a calculator :)
asciilifeform: decimation: catch a ball << bad example. when high-speed photography appeared, people learned that man (and dog, and circus lion) do not catch balls by computing integrals, but through 'bang-bang correction'
asciilifeform: which is not to say that one could not, hypothetically, compute a numerical solution to something-or-other by tossing balls.
dsherm: decimation: well they're gonna try. soon i suspect? i also wonder if bitcoin is the black swan that causes the next crisis
asciilifeform: but we were contemplating specifically mental computation.
asciilifeform: s/causes/blamed for
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah this brings up stuff that humans do well that computers cannot
asciilifeform merely argues that mental rsa is not the total absurdity it appears to be on first glance
asciilifeform: !s karatsuba anthem
asciilifeform: (fictional)
decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem that mental rsa is more likely to be useful than a totally new system
asciilifeform: decimation: not that we're necessarily stuck with rsa for all time, but the burden of proof on anyone suggesting an alternative is bowl-loosening, if you apprehend it.
decimation: asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues)
asciilifeform: were it not for the doubts, folks would piss on the patents
asciilifeform: as they did on rsa's.
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you think about djb's curve parameters?
decimation: he seems less likely to be a tool of usg than others, but maybe that's what they want us to think..
asciilifeform if knew anything worth saying - wouldn't say
asciilifeform: or, more specifically, wouldn't have waited to be asked
decimation: asciilifeform: good point. for the interested: http://cr.yp.to/ecdh.html
assbot: Curve25519: high-speed elliptic-curve cryptography
dsherm: +i
asciilifeform is always entertained when people come and ask, e.g., 'can you break rsa?'
asciilifeform: 'can you fart a thermonuke?' --- 'sure, just this one time, only for you'
TheNewDeal: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
TheNewDeal: authed
asciilifeform: lol, scientist
TheNewDeal: since when am I not
TheNewDeal: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!b861d201@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.97.210.1', is not identified.
TheNewDeal: ;;eauth TheNewDeal
gribble: Request successful for user TheNewDeal, hostmask TheNewDeal!b861d201@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.97.210.1. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DFBEC17DF96DFB77
decimation: perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00068911 = 6.96 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: no way
TheNewDeal: then some asshat could just give you a large neg rating
decimation: not a weighted average
TheNewDeal: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:67f5ee9a233015ace7f97d653aa7641f771e48d20b95b6c5504d1317
gribble: You are now authenticated for user TheNewDeal with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77
decimation: if 10 people rate you -1, should that be balanced by one 10?
TheNewDeal: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist. may negrate soon
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.
TheNewDeal: have there been a larger than normal amount of random names dropping by for a day as of late?
decimation: !up dsherm
dsherm: thx
dsherm: TheNewDeal: i will probably be one of those guys. i gotta learn how to use this irc thing
dsherm: first
decimation: dsherm: what brought you here?
dsherm: was reading contravex blog
TheNewDeal: tell us more
TheNewDeal: what was the contravex blog blagging about
dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots
dsherm: TheNewDeal: bitcoin and deflation
danielpbarron: reddit has libertarian roots? what now?
assbot: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TheNewDeal: this is one of my pet peeves. bitcoin is not libertarian
TheNewDeal: it's bitcoin
dsherm: danielpbarron: well r/bitcoin used to be more libertarian
decimation: dsherm: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly
dsherm: TheNewDeal: Bitcoin is hard money which appeals to libertarians
TheNewDeal: sure, but it appeals to democrats, republicans, and anarchists, and anyone on the earth with more than 5 brain cells and a computer
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well, a difference is who it appealed to and when
dsherm: TheNewDeal: well then a greater percentage of anarchists seem to have more than 5 brain cells
TheNewDeal: i think it appealed to cryptographers first and foremost
dsherm: TheNewDeal: i suspect those crypto were also libertarians
RagnarDanneskjol: that makes sense - the dewey decimal system is rather cryptic
TheNewDeal: suspect what you will. I'm just saying it appeals to those who understand it, and I've seen cases of libertards not doing that
decimation: TheNewDeal: the pro-state element (most of whom you named) certainly are not fans of hard money, insofar as it upsets the status quote (state controls money)
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> i have a degree in CS
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> make your system usable for christ sakes << paha cs-folken can't in2 gpg and gribble?
ben_vulpes: did he ever get it?
dsherm: TheNewDeal: They may understand bitcoin but do they understand the implications of it
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust bluemeanie4
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user bluemeanie4: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=bluemeanie4 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bluemeanie4 | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2014
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the deal with your rating of bluemeanie4?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read log ?
TheNewDeal: many of the pro-statists don't like the status quo. Haven't you seen all the hippies complain about the 1%?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no fun, you
TheNewDeal: obummer ran on the pretense of "Change"
decimation: TheNewDeal: good point. it would be a mistake to attempt to analyze pablum with logic
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: they like the status quo just fine, in most aspects. just not the present allocation of the loot.
asciilifeform: !up jborkl
decimation: as moldbug would say, the pro-state element survives on the promise of getting an ever shrinking shard of 'power'
jborkl: Thank you
ben_vulpes: salud jborkl
ben_vulpes: do you have a wot handle?
jborkl: Jborkl_
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust Jborkl_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Jborkl_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jborkl_ | Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 01:01:27; *: asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.'
kakobrekla: did you find it?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: wtf is a 'usg scientist' in this context? something akin to 'christian scientist' (TM) ?
jborkl: Damn 2012, I have to get a life
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> there's a dick surgery song about this very thing << where's the dick surgery album?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: sadly not
asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.09570735 BTC for No on "Gold will close above USD 2000 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/759/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.51127835 BTC. Current weight: 33,377.
dsherm: decimation: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly....why is lib silly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though << one of many reasons I advertise my drinking, keeps this feasible
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform he's a usg scientist inasfar as he believes he knows the cures to all the problems in bitcoin, but in actuality, he only thoroughly understands what makes the USG machine so shitacular
jborkl: How did the mike_c IPO go? Did not keep up enough lately
BingoBoingo: Hearn?
kakobrekla: i thought hallucinations are default in us.
BingoBoingo: jborkl: I believe everything sold above the advertised price
decimation: dsherm: by what means are you going to limit the size of the state?
TheNewDeal: i'm a usian and I can testify to that fact kakobrekla
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: to usg, the only 'problem in bitcoin' is that it exists.
jborkl: Sweet , that is great
asciilifeform hallucinations are default in us << was not supplied with the correct drugs by warden, reduced to sobriety
BingoBoingo: ;;google bud light whatever colorado
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dsherm: decimation: it was limited in the past by an inferior form of hard money called gold.
decimation: asciilifeform: welcome to the desert of the real
asciilifeform: ;;google lem futurological congress drug
gribble: The Futurological Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Futurological_Congress>; Stanislaw Lem, The Futurological Congress and the Future of Illusion: <http://www.transparencynow.com/introlem2.htm>; The Futurological Congress: From the Memoirs of Ijon Tichy ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Futurological-Congress-Memoirs- (1 more message)
TheNewDeal: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.77, Best ask: 515.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.18000, Last trade: 514.91, 24 hour volume: 6391.36590481, 24 hour low: 503.81, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 510.090272665
asciilifeform: (visitor to faraway planet takes forbidden 'sobriogenic' pill, notices that no robots, only idiots who think they're robots; takes a yet more forbidden pill, notices other things are absent as well... etc)
jborkl: ben_vulpes how is the advertising going?
decimation: dsherm: there is some point to this, but as long as the state has a 'monopoly on violence' this isn't much of a limit
TheNewDeal: couple thousand coins sitting between 500, not the ten thousand there were before the dip
ben_vulpes: jborkl: some amount of market validation. still mostly insiders.
ben_vulpes: running on bitbet now, coinroll's advertising a bit now
dsherm: decimation: you need to be able to pay for that monopoly though
jborkl: I think it is a terrific idea and good timing
decimation: dsherm: that is a good point
BingoBoingo: jborkl: You see the stats on the venue page yet? http://van-ads.com/venues
assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
kakobrekla: asciilifeform sounds like a fun book
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it is.
dsherm: gotta run bye and thx
BingoBoingo not sure it has been 7 days since those started and BitBet's started last night
ben_vulpes: ^^ that's true enough
kakobrekla: bitbet slander !
ben_vulpes: its a pretty dumb-dumb implementation of impression tracking too - bitbet's numbers are only going to go up for the next 5 days or so
ben_vulpes: hey at least bitbet has > 10% uptime
ben_vulpes: dun know by how much but
kakobrekla: > 20 by now.
ben_vulpes: oh twenty hey
assbot: eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
jborkl: Nice, not I had not seen that yet
asciilifeform: !up eightyeight
ben_vulpes: !up eightyeight
BingoBoingo: BitBet is going to win the impressions race
BingoBoingo: Unless MP saves an obscure but beloved software project again
ben_vulpes: not that those are umbers that really matter
kakobrekla: asciilifeform got a pdf or somesuch per chance?
ben_vulpes: eightyeight: WHAT---is your name?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: in what language ?
ben_vulpes: eightyeight: WHAT---is your quest?
kakobrekla: english would do
asciilifeform saw one english translation, it was terrible
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: They don't matter beyond telling fluffypony to STFU and blog moar
kakobrekla: that bad?
asciilifeform: get it in some, any, slavic one
ben_vulpes: yeah fluffypony you gotta make some posts b
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you offer a pdf, I'll take whatever language kako accepts
eightyeight: ben_vulpes: to seek the holy grail!
asciilifeform: not that those are umbers that really matter << they matter.
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 21:19:59; asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the purist
assbot: : . / /
asciilifeform: plain ascii txt.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thanks, I'll chew on it
assbot: Lem Stanislaw - Kongres Futurologiczny.pdf
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform that book looks awesome
asciilifeform: ^original
decimation: asciilifeform: vk.com is an excellent place to find original krtek videos
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: purist << just that 'my site has adz now' is worth more to me than pocket change
decimation: as well as all kinds of soviet strange
TheNewDeal: anywhere to find an engrish version :(
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: engrish version << library?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: You've never chewed on strange languages before?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's not any kind of a denigration
jborkl: Ben_vulpes. Explain how it pays? Not sure on the pool btc
TheNewDeal: i've only dabbled in spanish
ben_vulpes: ah well you see people bid what they're willing to pay for a day
ben_vulpes: every day has a pool, the sum of coins bid on it for that day
ben_vulpes: each ad runs proportionately to its bid relative to the rest of the pool
ben_vulpes: venue operators rake in 99% of the bids. we take the bitcoin gold standard 1%.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm rushing to get to speaking, but dictionary assisted reading is like a nice puzzle
asciilifeform would ask for the ads, if he had any reason to think that some weirdo would bid enough right away to recompense for 'my site ever had ads'
TheNewDeal: in russian? or what is that language :/
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Identifying the language is the most fun part
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i think we all understand where your ask is and where the bids currently are. as much as i'd love to have the slot, you have to want it as well for the deal to make any sense for both of us.
ben_vulpes: it's supposed to be a win-win.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes. just explaining the mechanics.
TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian
decimation: some things simply resist commercialism
TheNewDeal: have you read of book We?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: even if you don't care for languages at all - learn it, and it's as if copyrasty never existed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6935 @ 0.00068889 = 4.7775 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: the book*
BingoBoingo rememebers "There's no such thing as a standard deal" bandied about here before
asciilifeform: virtually every book ever printed, in plain text.
TheNewDeal: copyrasty?
asciilifeform: copyright
ben_vulpes: ;;ud pederasty
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pederast | Used incorrectly in the media as another word for pedophilia, pederasty is commonly confused for the obsession or desire for child pornography. Pederasty is ...
decimation: all kinds of fiat research has shown improvements in multiple cognitive traits in the multilingual
ben_vulpes: bang-up programmers work well in a myriad of environments.
asciilifeform: decimation: not that this can be ruled out, but it smells of the same logic that would have us all move to japan to extend lifespan
decimation: asciilifeform: this is true, it does seem to beg the question
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or would have us all typing lojban
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell mike_c what's going on with the War, man?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: deliberate reversal of the 'arrow of causation' is a favourite tactic of academtards
ben_vulpes: mike_c's on vacation yo
asciilifeform: 'get married, you'll grow taller'
TheNewDeal: his website took a shit
kakobrekla: i thought its 'fatter'
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DHCF5A.txt )
asciilifeform: fatter - works.
asciilifeform: taller - not so much
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. usually this reversal of causation is a way to route around politically incorrect truths
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> thats how a money supply expands << i'm quite excited about this monetary system without insane expansion all the time.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: trolls, feeding of
ben_vulpes: i do what i want
decimation: ben_vulpes: note he didn't answer my question about a finite quantity of money being sufficient
ben_vulpes: who cares
ben_vulpes: all i know is that the house is on fire
ben_vulpes: (don't complain if it gets wet when i put it out...)
asciilifeform: funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun
BingoBoingo: In considering ben_vulpes ad platform we knwo the people who have advertised on the blogs established in #b-a's life and wonders who will come of of the shadows to advertise on Loper... because unexpected figures may emerge...
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: actually, you don't know the people.
ben_vulpes: all you know are the links they're linking.
asciilifeform won't hold breath waiting for this manna from sky
decimation is depressed about usg beating the new new new iraq war drums
TheNewDeal: is this 8 Восьмой ?
ben_vulpes: even all i know is the gpg key the user uses to sign up and any funding addresses
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I remember stumbling into asciilifeform's hypercard post well before I did the same into bitcoin... Through /. of all places
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ?
ben_vulpes: well its not free.
ben_vulpes: and it's not strictly a minimum.
asciilifeform doesn't expect freebies. but won't pay to construct manna-from-sky catcher.
ben_vulpes: but you can run your own ad whatever fraction of the time you're willing to pay for...
decimation: how much for 0 seconds?
ben_vulpes: mind you van still takes 1% of your baseline pool, even though the rest goes back directly to you.
ben_vulpes: tanstaafl, so to speak.
asciilifeform: -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else)
ben_vulpes: and a complicated optimization problem to boot.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes we'll eventually issue a compilation, but you can find that particular song somewhere on our website
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 0.0015 * 365 * 0.01
gribble: 0.005475
decimation: ben_vulpes: seems like a cool system, but would Leibniz decorate his Theodicee with ads for cookies?
ben_vulpes: cookies today, dubloons tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: bitcoins at all times.
asciilifeform: decimation: if peter I pays, sure.
asciilifeform: decimation: but he paid more than pocket change.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) << Between the benevolent Kakobrekla donation and the MP seeding on the Van ads first month, if I hold long enough maybe I'll be able to wrest Alpha from Intel and host the blog on 22nm chips of a not shitty heritage...
ben_vulpes: see BingoBoingo's looking at the long term. patience, stamina...
asciilifeform: ah see, sale of anal virginity is a non-linear business
ben_vulpes: he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform does
ben_vulpes: this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing
asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас'
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform doe << I do, but on a different standard. asciilifeform's blog has been going much longer than mine and with greater sustained excellence
ben_vulpes: different points on the trajectory
ben_vulpes: well, curve.
asciilifeform: decimation: lol. and 'tesla' cars. etc
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' :(
asciilifeform: perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo.
decimation: asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo. << Sure, sold in the under 12 section in the toy store
asciilifeform: ;;google harry potter vibrating broom
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asciilifeform: i vaguely recall some weirdo suggested, one time, offering money for tattoo ad space.
asciilifeform: how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway. << crickets i tell ya crickets
assbot: A sad story, illustrated pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: Loper is bigger than WaPo
asciilifeform recalls actually having a fresh post that month, to be fair
asciilifeform: 'We have established what you are, madam. We are now merely haggling over the price.'
decimation: asciilifeform: Der Werbeslogan lautete 1898: „Was ißt die Menschheit unterwegs? Na selbstverständlich Leibniz Cakes!“ "The 1898 advertisement: What does humanity eat while on the move? Why Leibniz Cakes of course!
asciilifeform: a proper 'leibniz cake' would probably be topped with 'panzerschokolade'.
decimation: it goes on to say that apparently Leibniz researched a method for producing a hard biscut for feeding soldiers on the march
decimation: apparently he came up with something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwieback
assbot: Zwieback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: also a favourite cuisine in russian prisons.
BingoBoingo wonders if asciilifeform is a sufficient masochist to try building Loper on the back of his MIPS or if MIPS workstation will be an intermediate product...
decimation: asciilifeform: did the zeks eat melba toast
asciilifeform: there's even an expression, 'сухари сушить' - 'to dry [your] breadings' - meaning to prepare for prison
decimation: asciilifeform: lol
kakobrekla: yeah i have it on the counter.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'can't go to the moon by stacking chairs'
decimation: BingoBoingo: MIPS workstations are easy to purchase, buy an old sparc
BingoBoingo: decimation: SPARC is RISC, sure, but not quite minimal instruction..
asciilifeform has desk covered in perfectly ordinary, off-the-shelf mips workstations. none cost > 10 usd.
decimation: BingoBoingo: write your own "brainfuck" machine on fpga if you want minimal
asciilifeform: (none is much bigger than a deck of cards.)
decimation: asciilifeform: do you also have one of those tadpoles?
decimation: surely those are available surplus for cheap these days
asciilifeform: "brainfuck" machine on fpga >> nope. (why not? >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55)
assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.
BingoBoingo envisions not ancientware or deck or cards but something that fits in an ATX case, roughly 2009 midrange intel performance
BingoBoingo: decimation: Tadpole laptops are still as expensive as fuck
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pick up an 'octane'
asciilifeform: (why you want it? i've no idea. but there they are.)
decimation: BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've looked at the SGI octane
decimation: asciilifeform: well it is certainly true that 'brainfuck' is not a habitable bedrock
decimation: it would beg to be 'compiled'
BingoBoingo: decimation> BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus << I imagine problem is more akin to why everything Alpha is still as expensive as fuck
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a well-worn alpha is dirt cheap. i threw away five of them a few years ago.
asciilifeform: (put on 'ebay', no one bid.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But the later ones have this dilema where they are advertised for quite a bit or scrapped
decimation remembers playing with alpha machine circa 2001, thinking it was quaint
asciilifeform: the only actual good thing about the alpha was that the spec fit in a thin paperback book.
asciilifeform: same re: mips.
asciilifeform: nothing magical here.
decimation: usg doesn't allow its surplus computers which have touched anything sensitive to return to reality unharmed
decimation: probably 90% of the tadpoles/alphas were sold into that market I suspect
asciilifeform: this is a recent thing, or there'd be no surplus 'symbolics' hardware at all.
asciilifeform: now they have 'shoot here' stickers on cheapo 'dell' laptops.
asciilifeform: (why? churn inventory. 'everybody's happy.')
decimation: asciilifeform: back in WWII almost nothing was classified
asciilifeform: smbx was king at the height of reaganoid spymania
assbot: A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo Blog
asciilifeform: but 'in WWII almost nothing was classified' is mistake. witness the rarity of 'norden's bombsight' even in museums today.
BingoBoingo: Well, you don't need classified when everyone is treated like adults
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I did say almost. "routine" information that would be classified today was generally not, back then. of course things like ULTRA were classified
asciilifeform: the historical roots of today's SOP are in the 'born secret' doctrine of u.s. nuke work
assbot: Forbidden spheres | Restricted Data
decimation: lol ebay search for 'tadpole' turns up... baby frogs
decimation: asciilifeform: If true, that's ironic considering the total failure of anyone to keep those secrets from day one
asciilifeform: 'A security officer informed him that the orange he left on his desk was, in fact, a classified object. He learned that any spherical object became a nuclear secret once it passes over the line...'
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them?
decimation: one imagines such cargo cults must be rampant
asciilifeform: 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' etc
decimation: anyway with that I must retire, good evening gents
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